Children

>>1627287
> But we aren't animals

Nice meme.

>>1627300
They have no sense of reason. They operate purely on instinct.

>>1627287
If you consider existence such suffering then just end your troubles

>>1627312
Prove it.

>>1627287
>[THE WORLD IS] obviously full of imperfections and suffering.

THAT IS WHY ONLY THE BEST INDIVIDUALS —GENETICALLY, MENTALLY, AND ETHICOMORALLY— SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO REPRODUCE, WHICH IS WHY REPRODUCTION NEEDS TO BE WITHIN THE TOTAL AUTHORITY OF THE POLITY.

TO THE WORLD SHOULD ONLY COME THOSE WHO WILL STRIVE TO IMPROVE IT, MOVING CLOSER TOWARD ITS ULTIMATE TRANSCENDENCE.

>>1627287
This is a nonquestion. A nonexistent person cannot choose anything until it starts existing, and by that point parentage and geographical location are determined.

And how is it a crime to force life onto someone I ask?

>>1627287
>rehashed version of yourself and another
Yeah I don't know why you're putting a negative spin on that. Genetic diversity is a good thing.
>child never asked to be born
Nobody asked for the child's opinion.

>>1627631
Giving life to something that is probably going to resent it's own existence should be a crime.

>>1627885
>is probably going to resent it's own existence
While I agree, this is IMO way rarer than you make it out to be.

>>1627904
Just because it's something that's rarely expressed, it's okay?
Everyone hates their existence at one time or another. And I don't think they ever like it in the end.

>>1627928
>Everyone hates their existence at one time or another.
Proofless claim, but even so, that is not a general statement for the whole of someone's life - how is a single point relevant to the whole of a person's existence?

>And I don't think they ever like it in the end.
Another proofless claim. If this were true, the suicide rate would be through the roof.

This is such /r9k/ bullshit. Most people are glad they exist, ok? And if they aren't, they're free to stop existing.

>>1627943
>>1627952
People are prevented from suicide by the same self preservation instincts that you've given your children along with their other trash genes.
You've created someone and then prevented them from killing themselves and brainwashed them into liking you and themselves even though everything you've done for them isn't what they deserved.

I'm completely average and I like being alive

What now, faggot?

Op, this really isn't about your future kids; it's about your own parents, isn't it?

Are you the guy that wants children to bring criminal suits against their parents when they become adults?

>>1627964

Oh no! They like themselves? How horrible!

>>>/r9k/

>>1627975
Yes

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>>1627964

kill yourself. No really. Just go kill yourself.

>>1627287
So you wish you were never born?

>>1628005

Glad to see you're still around.

Contentment is the death of achievement, and unhappiness it's fuel. I reckon you'll go far, anon.

>>1628051
Yes

>>1628074
Even if you go far, you'll look back and think that it wasn't worth it.

>>1627287
>Why would you release a rehashed version of yourself and another person into this world?
I wouldn't, but not by my own choice. Sex with a woman is not even on the table for me anymore.

>>1627609
This is a nice post.

What the fuck is with anti-natalism, I genuinely enjoy life, and the older I get the more I enjoy it. I also enjoy my family and spending time with them the idea of increasing it seems perfectly logical

It is interesting how anti-natalist philosophy only comes from socialist countries where individuals have no hope of social or financial improvement

>>1627287
Anti-natalism is far above what the vast majority can grasp or stomach. There are no even remotely solid arguments against it but it doesn't matter, evolution itself ensures that the madness continues.

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>>1628226

>I genuinely enjoy life, and the older I get the more I enjoy it.

That is why you don't understand anti-natalism. This is 4chan, a site full of bitter, angry, pitiful virgins who are filled with nothing but self-loathing and spiteful hatred of anyone who enjoys anything.

>>1628226
It's largely something that occurs when someone has the free time to ponder over existence rather than being chronically distracted by the necessities of life. Obviously genetic and environmental factors are involved in the production of a true pessimist too.

>>1627609
>ULTIMATE TRANSCENDENCE
are you trying to spook me?

>>1629668
Go away, retard.

>>1628159
It never is, but that doesn't mean anything to you after you're gone.

>>1629609
>There are no even remotely solid arguments against it
What about the fact that It literally doesn't help anyone at all.

>>1629671
then stop giving birth to me.

>>1629681
Help? Head over the the wikipedia page on anti-natalism and read up. Your argument makes no sense. Anti-natalism is about understanding/accepting the human condition and actively preventing suffering.

>>1629709
>actively preventing suffering
also prevents happiness/pleasure
but antinatalists insist on the completely unfounded idea that not suffering is good whereas not receiving pleasure is merely neutral.

>>1629681
Don't forget the fact that most of the arguments for it are based off projecting your experiences onto the entire human race.

Most people enjoy life andwant to get more of it. Nearly all anti-natalists who do it as a political thing (some will be this way on an individual level to avoid spreading disorders or stuff, which is fine) tend to be unhappy people, usually quite young, who assume that because they're not happy, that no-one else is either.

>>1628226
I love myself and being alive. It's other people I'm not so fond of. The less idiots around me, the better.

>>1627287
>He fell for the choice meme
I'm so sorry that your life has been a lie up until this point, but it doesn't have to continue like this.

>>1629709
So the whole argument falls apart if you don't buy into the "suffering=negative" meme.

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>>1629668

The hell, /his/. Nietzsche just doesn't have the same novelty anymore?

>>1630237
What is the truth?

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>>1627609
>Believing in transcendence
Wow.
It is called Science FICTION for a reason, Anon.

>>1627964
>brainwashed them into liking you and themselves
Not everyone is a depressed cry baby autist. Some of us, surprisingly, actual like life even with all the good and bad. You should learn to also. It feels pretty good.

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>>1629668
>>1632049
plz

After at least a month of fedoras spamming antinatalist threads, conveniently ignoring arguments you couldn't disprove the last time, R Y Z H K N D has conclusively BLOWN you the fuck out. You can't ignore this, so what do you do? Reach for le spook meme.

If we're talking about spooks now, what about your own spooks? Is there some antinatalist club on reddit or somewhere? What got you spooked?

>>1627974
enjoy while it last
the ride is shorter than you imagine

>>1628226
>I am perpetually distracted from my condition by meaningless shit
well it won't last

>>1629751
>not wanting to have kid because you won't ever know before if they enjoy existence or not
>but somehow i'm the one projecting

>>1627609
FUCK YEAH BROTHRE 1488 YOU BETTER RESPECT THE FUCKING PACK OR GET THE fuck OUT OF THE WAY

>>1633241
>statistically the child is able to enjoy life
>But because you're unhappy, you assume the child will be too
>somehow not projecting by assuming everyone else must be the same as you

everyone who thinks their child will be happy is projecting