/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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So what's the verdict on these cheap case + psu combos? Will it be able to run an OC i5 and OC gtx 970?

First for year of the AMD Desktop

>>62352746
Delid dis

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>>62352560

CPU will stay packaged until i see how my G4600 performs at first

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>>62352844
>1TB SSD

>>62352844
>7700T
What the fuck

>>62352870

its going to be my main

>>62352876

35W and neglegable difference in performance, the turbo boost is still 3.9 or some shit

i want less heat in my room

G4600 is almost double as is

>>62352844
dude...... what

is mSATA basically dead at this point?

>>62352739
No one?

Anyone who's had experience with these cheap 500w+ psu's?

>>62352959
i wouldn't risk running oc i5 and gtx 970 on those. they are for web-browsing builds, not gayming

>>62352739

just buy the cheapest EVGA 500w and the cheapest case

>>62352954
Yes
>>62352991
EVGA makes shitty cheap PSUs
Seasonic, on the other hand, does not.

>>62352896
>negligible difference in performance
~20% is not negligible. you know you can just get 7700k and underclock & undervolt it for the same, if not better results?

>>62353032

the cheapest Seasonic is almost 60 dollars, EVGA has a 500 at half that

and they're super reliable

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I am addicted to collecting pc hardware boxes

>>62352988
What if I spend £15 more and get a 750w capacity psu with the case? As long as I don't stress the power supply to near capacity it should be ok right? I've used one of those online psu calculators and it says that at max my system will use about 470w under load

>>62353054

1, i dont have a z mobo
2, i dont have a hsf
3, i dont feel like messing with that bullshit
4, i'm only gaming at 1080p on a 60fps monitor

>>62353056
>the cheapest Seasonic is almost 60 dollars
I don't know what country you live in, but in the US, it's 40
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fZyFf7/seasonic-power-supply-s12ii520bronze

>and they're super reliable
Do tell.
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/02/19/evga_430w_power_supply_review/

That's their 80-Plus model, the W1. They also sell a non 80-Plus model (in 2017), the N1. One can only imagine where it ranks.
I challenge you to find a negative review of a cheap Seasonic. It cannot be done, since none exist.

>>62353250

i bought a fucking S12II 620w that died in less than 6 months less than 2 years ago, i replaced it with an EVGA and no issues

okat /g/, what about my build for the next month?

>i5 6800K - 300€
>Intel Z370 Motherboard - 150€
>Corsair Vengenace RGB Series 16GB - 155€
>Lepa Ellusion 240 CPU Colling - 77€
>Samsung 850 EVO SSD 500 GB - got one alredy
>Seagate 4TB - got one already
>Nox Hummer 850W 80 Plus Bronze - 90 €
>Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Gaming OC Black 11GB GDDR5X - 709€


any comments?
>

>>62353362
>i5 6800k
I think you mean 8600k, right? You won't find a Z370 board for that cheap, either. Go Ryzen instead.

>>62353357
Your anecdotal claim is fascinating, and I have no reason to disbelieve you.
However, the power supply reviews which litter the internet, where reviewers actually deconstruct the models in question to analyze the components in use, and use specialized equipment to view the effect of loads, view hold-up time, rate efficiency, and go the whole 9 yards show fairly conclusively that:
A. Seasonic makes great PSUs, cheap, midrange, and expensive.
B. EVGA makes great midrange and expensive PSUs, but not cheap ones.
You got the short straw on your model. That's a shame. But a single sample which amounts to "It blew up" or "It didn't blow up" isn't evidence of a bad PSU.

>>62353437
yeah, I mean 8600K.

Nah, I dont want to go ryzen, I can expend 200 or 250 in a board, but Im going Coffee Lake.

>>62353484

actually no because none of the EVGAs "blowup"

and also after the shitsonic died i googled some reviews that actually took the PSU completely apart and they found out it doesnt have japcaps and instead had shit caps and was a well known issue

the only other cheap shitsonic is the fully module 60 dollar M12II varient

ill stick with EVGA's which also dont have issues with intel C states (which S12II does)

14cl vs 16cl 3200hz ram for Ryzen. Is it worth the extra 30 bones(U.S) in performance? How much average fps difference am I looking at?

>>62352870
Nothing wrong with 1TB SSD tb-h

>>62353693
at the PRICe yes there is

>>62353547
>i googled some reviews that actually took the PSU completely apart and they found out it doesnt have japcaps
Interesting, because I just read two reviews showing quite clearly the use of Japanese capacitors.
>http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=185
>http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/seasonic-s12ii-bronze-430-w-power-supply-review/
Do you remember where you saw these reviews saying otherwise?
>the only other cheap shitsonic is the fully module 60 dollar M12II varient
You are comparing the price of the cheapest, non-modular EVGA SKUs to Seasonic SKUs which are more expensive due to modularity?
>ill stick with EVGA's which also dont have issues with intel C states
If the S12II had a problem with C-states, it wouldn't cause it do die. It just wouldn't wake up from Sleep, requiring manual resets.
Whatever problem you may have had with your dead PSU, it wasn't related to Haswell.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TXvDYr
gotta wait till Wednesday for the rest of my stuff to arrive

>>62353357
I have the same one and it lasted 5-6 years so far with no signs of failure yet.

>>62353817
>750W psu
Way overkill.

>no itegrated GPU
No wonder this Ryzen gaming bullshit is so cheap

>>62353817
>3000mhz RAM
why tho

>>62353892
>Wanting to use an igpu on your 6 core CPU
Anon pls

>>62353892
>integrated GPU
literally why

>>62353883
will it still be overkill if I get a 1080ti? I don't really plan on upgrading anytime soon after this aside from gpus.
>>62353906
I thought ryzen need 'fast' ram?

>>62353906
Because ryzen benefits a lot from faster ram.

>>62353952
No it's not overkill and fast ram is a must have for ryzen. Ignore those 2 retards.

I'm going to buy an 8700K and you AMD autistic neckbeards can do nothing about it.

>>62353927
Servers don't need to run Splinter Cell or whatever you kids are playing today

>>62353952
>>62353955
right but you could have gotten 3200mhz for cheaper

>>62353983
still haven't bought the ram so I can still switch it out. thanks
>>62353972
ah alright thanks.

>>62353250
tfw paid €70 for that 520W bronze seasonic
it sucks to be a computer enthusiast outside of the US.

>>62352739
I'm pretty sure the general consensus is "avoid at all costs"

>>62353952
>will it still be overkill if I get a 1080ti?
Yes.

>>62354031
i paid £60 for an antec HCG 620m 620w. it's a modular rebrand of that popular seasonic 620w psu iirc

>>62354076
nothing bad will happen from that right though? Aside from spending a bit more cash than I needed to.

>>62354167
it's not overkill
ignore retards

>>62354167
No, nothing bad will happen.
In fact, it's slightly advantageous, since now the fan will spin less often. Whether that was worth the extra money is up to you.

>>62354167
Ignore anyone who says you a PSU is overkill. Those niggers are fine with running their 450W PSU at 90% load all day because their moms pay for electricity. Peak operating efficiency is around 50% load, it'll produce less heat and save you a couple cents a year. Obviously you don't need 1000W psus but 750 is absolutely fine

>>62354280
>and save you a couple cents a year
The price of his 750W PSU is $120.
The price of the same PSU at 650W is $80.
By the time he has saved $40 over the period he has used the PSU at 50-60% load, the PSU will have long since died and the computer long since replaced.

I have a 750w PSU running on a 1600 580 system. It's great, the fan doesn't spin. It's worth the extra money. Plus, if you upgrade, you probably won't need a new PSU.

>>62354280
>a couple cents a year
woah

>>62354398
>>62354434
notice how I said "save a few cents" and not "you'll recoup the cost"

the main benefit is lower heat generation. It's not a tremendous amount but it's not always so marked a difference in price. I got a gold 750W for cheaper than the 650W was at the time of purchase because of a rebate deal (well, you know what I mean, don't split hairs here)

>>62354280
what about for
>>62352959
>>62353129

>>62354465
>the main benefit is lower heat generation
That is related mostly to PSU fan speed. The fan effectively dissipates the heat anyway.
So, to be clear, he spent $40 (or slightly less, assuming you wanted to factor in the 60% load saving you money down the road) for less fan noise.
That's not an effective use of money to me, and would be better spent elsewhere in the build imo. But hey, it's a fringe benefit.

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What graphics card do I put into this old Pentium 4 PC I found on the street? I want a sweet Windows 95 gaming PC.
Yes, I'm going to clean it out.

>>62354560
a 1080 ti

>>62354576
Be serious please.

>>62354558
fan noise is a big deal

>>62354558
if you look at the price history on pcpartpicker, it was as low as $86 six days ago. Since he already bought it, it's entirely possible that he snagged it for that much, and $6 is piss in the wind for a quieter fan

>>62354586
a nice old ATI card

or matrox
or 3dfx

>Current PC
240hz 1080p
3770K + 1080TI + 16gb 1600mhz ram + SSD
Most used software: OBS, Sony Vegas, Overwatch
Im having issues keeping games steady near 240fps during busy gameplay.
I think i'm being bottled necked by the CPU and slow ram.

Would upgrading to 8700K + z370 + faster RAM be the most effective way to brute force more FPS into my games?

What's the best mobo manufacturer?

>>62354623
I like MSI, even though their front panel pins are a bitch to plug in.

I have an old Inspiron 570. The power supply is 480w with no efficiency rating that I saw. What AM3 processor can I put in it along with a low profile HD6450?

>>62354623
SNSV

>>62354621
Ditch the firestarter kit and hop on the ryzen train. Not only will multitask performance be leagues better, you have a 1080ti so the ~12fps difference between the top i7 and r7 is already made up for

>>62354617
Any recommendations or should I pretend I'm in the 90s and read the reviews from the time?

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how do I deal with waiting 3 weeks for 1080ti to arrive while using shitty intel integrated

>>62354606
If he bought it then, you're right.

>>62354704
>waiting 3 weeks
do you live in the ISS or something

>>62354704
play 2hu or some other graphically undemanding game, then be blown away when the 1080ti arrives

>>62354676
The cheapest video card available new will bottleneck the crap out of it.
Go on Ebay. Find the cheapest card that's not a complete museum showpiece and get that.

>>62354704
Play Fallout 2.

>>62354704
Start downloading and installing all those games you wanna play so when your gpu arrives you can play them all instantly.

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>>62354728
New Zealand
Electronics is crazy expensive here such that it's cheaper to buy it from US and pay heavy taxes + shipping

>>62354674
i really don't think ryzen is good for high refresh rate gaming DESU SENPAI

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from last thread:

>>62352648
>>62352532
>>62352496

you guys are probably right... well shit i feel stupid!

Please give me some time to rebuild on partpicker.

>>62354762
In 3 weeks you should be able to figure out a way to get the fuck out of New Zealand for fuck's sake.

>>62354771
standard 7700k for higher SC performance or 1700(x) for MOAR CORES

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Do I need to plug it somewhere or?

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I mean this one

>>62354704
Watch animu you've been meaning to watch for ages.

>>62354661
You can run an AMD 6 core phenom II on that psu.

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This build should arrive tomorrow, thank you anons for showing me the way of the 3200mhz RAM (the storage is from my current PC).

>inb4 there's something horribly wrong with it that I missed

>>62354918
Which one? Is it good?

>>62354767

according to what

>>62354955
not necessarily wrong but what's the logic behind the micro atx mobo with an atx case?

>>62354955
>AMD CPU
>16GB
tons of storage
>Mid range gpu
That's my dream system there.

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>>62354955
Buying non-Intel is a hate crime, goy. Cancel this order right now and purchase a Genuine Intel product.

>>62355005
it's cheaper

>>62354955
what the fuck are those 1 2 4 tb disks, are you autistic or smth?

>>62353170
>i'm only gaming at 1080p on a 60fps monitor
then you shouldn't be getting an i7 anyway

>>62353499
>I dont want to go ryzen
why not

Friendly reminder to not buy ryzen because coffee lake will MIGA

>>62354849
No one?

>>62355070
I live in alaska

>>62355107
so?

>>62355100
lol

>>62355061
I started off with just the 1tb but it lasted so long that I'm wary of using it as my main drive since it might fail, I got the SSD for the system and the 2tb for data and the 4tb for automatically backing up every other drive.

>>62355005
It was on sale.

>>62355107
Is this a joke or are you just pretending to be retarded?

>>62355115
gets cold up here, ryzen's too cool

>>62355159
>4tb for automatically backing up every other drive.
That's just autistic. Get a RAID, enjoy better speeds and a backup if one of them gets fucked?

>>62355171
Delid dis

>>62352739
never

>>62352896
with a dedicated gpu in there you wont notice any difference in room temperature
shit probably wont be any difference in case air temp.
>>62353927
servers
I just need to be able to install my operating system, and if shit goes wrong I need a screen to be able to fix it

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>>62355194
>RAID for backing up

Gonna ask again:

Poorfag.

I've got an old motherboard. AM3+. I run an FX-6300. Should I save money and get an FX-8350?

I just don't wanna buy a whole new motherboard.

>>62355434
how much cash do you have?

>>62355434
Seriously, do not waste your money on yet another FX processor. Just save up for a new system.

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>>62355434
If you want to hang on for another year or two, get an 8350.

>>62355489
Still would recommend saving if your 6300 isn't unbearably slow.

Is it normal for the screen to go black while installing ubuntu? I've never installed an OS before, so I want to make sure I'm not just sitting here for nothing.

>>62355489
If I lock mine to 4.0GHz and undervolt, will I get those temps?

>>62355489
>10°c
how

>>62355466
Not much. I'm pretty much check to check and wanted to see if it would be worth it. The 6300 isn't terrible or anything and I don't really do intense computing besides some games.

>>62355489
I figured I'd get it to tide me over for another year or two.

>>62355507
Is there really a significant increase for swapping to intel? I just don't wanna shell out $300+ for a new motherboard+processor if the 8350 will get me similar results for about a paycheck.

is g4560 + gtx1050ti still good option for a poorfag?

Any good motherboards without that gaymer RGB crap?

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>>62355626
>>62355644
It's cool n Quiet running it a t 1.4GHZ and 0.9V, normally it's 63C at 4.2 with 1.384V because board sucks. Cooling is nothing special either.

>>62355651
A new intel is of course gonna be a big boost, but the 8350 isn't a joke of a chip if you can utilize it, and you've got the platform already.

>>62355711
Why is your cpu fan facing the wrong way?

>>62355651
>swapping to intel?
No, but Ryzen.

>>62355731
It's the amd mounting hardware, I can do it correctly but then 2 ram slots will be blocked

I don't know what's causing this issue, but for some reason since I downloaded mods for ArmA 3, every time I try to boot the game my screen goes into power saving and then the PC reboots, I just finished building the PC 2 days ago
AMD Ryzen 5 1600
Gigabyte GA AB350GAMING3
Corsair LPX vengeance 16GB 2400mhz
MSI GTX1060 OC

>>62355746
Why did they do it that way?

>>62355783
I don't know, probably so we could by the much sexier 212 evo that can sit normally and fit all the ram.

>>62355697
just sharpie over it

>>62355798
>tfw I recently got am 8350+MOBO+RAM realy cheap
>was actually planning to get a 212 evo
Good to know I won't have that problem.

>>62355755
I should add, I installed it onto my SSD, but I've just done copying the files over to my HDD so here's hoping this fixes it

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>>62355844
212 evo is a much better cooler than my TX3, I am a lazy fuck and wanted a tower cooler that mounts like a stock cooler.

>>62354996
cpu benchmarks

>>62354767
>>62356099
My 1800x 1080ti build gets 1440p 165Hz on max settings on almost all games.

>>62356201
how about 240fps tho?

>>62355734
Same price issue as an intel chip. I'd still need a new motherboard and go past 300$

>>62356304
Do you have the hardware to run that for it to be relevant?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxes_Z0BD70

>>62355103
rtfm

>>62355308
>>>62352896
>with a dedicated gpu in there you wont notice any difference in room temperature
>shit probably wont be any difference in case air temp.


at half watts thats literally improbable

wattage = heat

sure the 1060 runs at 120 watts but instead of 120 + 60 its only 120+30

also 4 physical cores and 8 threads vs just the 2 and 4 for the G4600

but again, ill check performance and if i notice lag ill change it out

>>62356359
>MSI B350 Tomahawk: $90
>R5 1600: $210
Only $300, not over.

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>>62352560
Why is this priced so high

>>62356673
>shipping price almost 10 times product price
Where the fuck do you live?

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>>62356673
>$1,999.98 shipping

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>>62356701

>>62356701
In the good ol us of a. I have no clue why shipping is so high on this one ssd. Chuckled a lil bit.

I want to upgrade from my 750ti. I have an AMD A10-6800k @ 4.4 GHz. What is the best GPU I could get without bottlenecking it? I was thinking it might be a 1060, but I'm not sure. Also, I'm playing on a 1080p monitor.

>>62357113
I would't get anything more than a 1060ti for that processor.

How 2 build secure system for cryptography? Must be free of manufacturing hardware/firmware backdoors

>>62357083
maybe they're shipping it from Hades domain and the 2 grand is the bride the gonolier to take the deliveryman across the river Stix.

>>62357171
>TFW your ssd performs like... hell
I'll see myself out now

>>62357162
>Must be free of manufacturing hardware/firmware backdoors
no such thing

>>62357162
Design and cut your own parts

How do you even estimate if a cpu will bottleneck a gpu?

My new 1600 reaches around 60-65 degrees while playing games, is this bad? I kinda scratches the ihs while installing which is why I'm a little nervous

>>62357432
room temp and idle temp?

>>62357444
Room temp is prob around 15-20? Idle temp with nothing running is around 35. Normal usage is around 45-50

>>62357385
Pretty sure it's just a meme nowadays, unless you have a completely unbalanced setup with a super old cpu (10+ years) and a current gen GPU.

>>62357470
It doesn't sound too bad. My room temp is 25 and it idles at 40 for me, highest it ever got was 63 when I was stress testing it (stock cooler for me, I assume you as well?) Your room is a little colder and your temps get a little higher but it's not absurdly high or anything to worry about. You could try reapplying thermal paste if you feel like it, or maybe add some case fans, but it's not really that bad.

tl;dr could be better but nothing serious, doubt scratching it did anything

https://uk.webuy.com/product.php?sku=SMEM9QAEB (1600mhz)
https://uk.webuy.com/product.php?sku=SMEM9QAADH (2000mhz)

so if i were to buy 4x4gb 2000mhz sticks it would come out cheaper than buying 2x8gb 1600mhz sticks. what's the catch?

>>62357567
More slots

Reminder that this is the best computer available right now

https://www.raptorcs.com/content/TL2WK2/intro.html

>>62354560
a 260 gtx wouldnt be awful.

>>62357758
> leveraging Linux and OpenPOWER™ technology
It's shit.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kHwkYr
Here's my budget build. R8 if it doesn't seem optimized or if it's retarded in some way.

>>62357946
Found the Windows used.

>>62357946
>linux is hard and make brain hurt

>>62357854
Does it have drivers for Windows 95?

>>62357952
It's fine

>>62357952
Did you make sure that RAM works properly?

>>62357952
Get an 850 EVO instead of WD Blue. Less money, better drive.
I would personally get 1 8GB stick over 2 4GB. Dual Channel is irrelevant in 99% of cases and you can then move to 32GB if you need.

Opinions of this build anons?

>CPU Intel i7-5930k
>Asus x99-S
>16gb Kingston hyper-x quad ddr4 3000mhz
>4gb nvidia gforce gtx-980
>240gb kingston hyperx savage sata 6gb/s
>2tb wd caviar bllack wd2003 fzex sata 6gb/s
>Corsair 850w power pack

Parts are old now but means quite cheap.

>>62358123
Shit

>>62358123
no GPU?
if you are not playing gaymes why not get a ryzen instead

>>62358123
If the price is right and the parts work.

aside from the noise, is it bad to leave my cpu fan running at full speed? I mean set it at full speed in bios. It's the stock wraith spire

>>62354560
install win XP , you wont get drivers for 95 , also get a 8800GT

>>62358162
More wear
More dust

Why did motherboard manufacturers prefer m.2 over mSATA?

is it better to have 2 500gb HDD's for cheaper than a single 1TB HHD? what is the actual benefit of having a single large capacity hard drive over 2 half capacity hard drives aside from taking double the space in a case (which isn't an issue here)?

>>62358143
mates offering me the build for £500 so could replace and take out as best fit.

>>62354849
its a floppy power connector , if you dont have a floppy drive you dont need it

>>62358162
The question is why would you do that? If it's hot then it will just speed up as needed, you're just adding unnecessary noise and wear.

>>62355006
i have 24gb in my system , also R5 1600
my peak was 19gb when playing SE
i dunno what makes you think than an AMD system somehow is unable to utilize high amounts of ram

>>62358183
Double the chance of failure if you RAID 0 them and having files split across drives is just a hassle in general.

>>62358180
mSATA is held back by SATA and AHCI
M.2 can be PCIe and NVME. It can also hold back SSDs, but it's still much faster than mSATA.

>>62355434
Ryzen 3 1300 beats the 8350 whilst sipping ~40w of power , id rather get a cheap AM4 (cheap b350's are like 60$ and not terrible at all) and a R3 1200/1300

>>62355644
FX has faulty sensors , below ambient is physically impossible , add like 20c and have a proper readout

>>62355697
go into bios
>RGB settings
>off

>>62355697
>I don't like RGB!

Typical edgy neckbeard removing fun from everything

>>62358266
>Keep program running at night
>Can't fall asleep due to intensely flashing disco light from pc

>>62355697
Every mobo I've used let's you turn them off in the UEFI

>>62358278
>having a window on your case

>>62358278
>is bothered by minimal lighting coming from computer.
>a leaf
>>62358302
>doesn't have a windowed case to show off an aesthetic RGB build

>>62358314
>"""minimal"""

>>62358278
>not hosting the residential disco with your RGB pc nailed to the ceiling

>>62358324
>wants to wear cargo pants instead of /fa/ pants

Oi, anybody know where I can get a window for a cooler master n200 or silencio 352? They sell the case in both a non window and window version, but I can't find the latter anywhere

>>62358314
The minimal lighing is none, anon.

>>62352560
GTX 1050, 1050Ti, 1060 3GB are the only worthwhile / reasonably priced cards

1060 3GB would be the card I'd buy right now

>>62358467
But why get 3GB when 6GB exists?

>>62358482
Pricing

>>62358467
>not 6gb
out

>>62358467
Nah you can still get 970s for cheaper than 1060 3gb and the OC 970 actually matches the 1060 6gb in performance whilst also giving you an extra gig of vram

>inb4 3.5

>>62358519
Sure, if you buy used. But I doubt your assertion that the 970 beats the 3GB 1060 on average, or that it will age well.

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>>62358553
The fact that any decent aftermarket OC 970 already matches some aftermarket OC 1060 6gb and that the 1060 3gb is slower than the 6gb variant shows that it very well can beat the 1060 3gb on average. And considering Maxwell and Pascal are supposedly the same architecture then they should age the same anyway.

In the UK there are used 970s going for around ~£140 with good coolers and the cheapest gtx 1060 3gb based on pcpp is about £187. The 970 is probably even cheaper in other places as it's so common.

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>>62358056
>>62358091
Okay, I'll look into the EVO 850. The RAM listed isn't what I'm gonna use, it's just the closest in price I could find on pcpartpicker. Pic related is what I'm gonna get from my local Fry's

Corsair 750d or NZXT 530 for a dust environment?

>>62359022
S340

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Hey guys, what are these and where do they go?

>>62359064
that wasn't a choice autist

Need your guidance /g/

>Case:
Cooler Master Masterbox 5 or Thermaltake View31tg

>Cooling:
Deepcool Gammaxx 400 or NZXT kraken x62

>Cpu:
r5 1600 or i7 6800k

>graphics:
AMD athlon x4 880k or GTX 1050ti

>Memory:
G. Skill ripjaws V series 16 gb (2x8)

>Motherboard:
ASRock x99 Extreme 4

>PSU:
EVGA supernova GS 650w

>Storage:
Big ssd

>>62359103
>graphics:
>AMD athlon x4 880k
Nigga wut?

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What would you change and why, /pcbg/ ?

>>62359068
up your butt x

>>62359131
I'd get an X370 board because I'm a wasteful ass, but that thing works.

>>62355404
what is RAID 10 or RAID 5?

>>62359131

this is almost exactly my new pc (built 2 months ago), except I got a 1060 3gb instead. It works perfectly fine, no regrets. Oh yeah, the ram was a kingston value because fuck paying extra just for a brand, but it's running at 2133mhz. Yeah, it's way slower than 3200 but at that time the only affordable ram was that, or the fury blah blah 2400mhz.

>>62359187
Not for backing up but for time-sensitive applications and protection of data.

So I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I'm moving away due to studies and I can't take my current pc with me but I need a pc for my my side work on maya and premiere pro and also something to relax with and play the occasional game.

My current pc has a Haswell i5, 1070, 16gb ram. The issue I'm facing is what kind of pc shall I build when I've moved based on a budget around the equivalent of $450/500.

Option 1: buy the latest AMD/Intel budget cpu's (e.g. g4560 or that new APU by AMD) and pair that with more expensive ddr4 ram and opt for a cheaper graphics card like a 1050 ti and have the futureproofing ability later on down the line.

Option 2: use that same budget to get a sandy bridge i7/i5 for the same price as the g4560, cheaper 16gb ram ddr3, and spend more on the gpu like a used Maxwell based gpu and have much more power for applications I use in the short term but bad upgradeability in the long term.

Everything else like case, psu, storage etc. Will be the same across both

I have boxes for a bunch of parts to open, I am extremely excited but a bit nervous. I don't want to open anything until I actually have everything ready to build it. Does anyone else know this feel? Additionally, recommend me a 144 hz monitor por favor.

>>62359303
>Open board box
>Open ram packet
>Open cpu cooler
>Prep the motherboard bull
>Open case
Screw board in
>Open psu
>Screw in psu
>Hook up psu
>Unbox gpu
>Install gpu

how come some of my pc fans dont work

>>62359334
I know, I just don't want to do that until I have all of that stuff at my house.

best cooler for ryzen 1700x?

>>62359381
3 pins?
4 pins?
Daisy chain?
Connected to Mobo? PSU?

>>62359381
you didn't connect them

>>62359390
and fits in the define r5

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>Build new computer for my dad
>Install fresh copy of windows 7 to hard drive
>Used already working computer
>Triple check hardware installed correctly
>Hardware all runs
>Mobo doesn't give errors

Damned thing won't detect monitors though. Does the GPU maybe not work with the mobo after all or do I just need to swap the drive back to my other computer and update the drivers?

Here's the build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mQDrkT

>>62359392
i have one intake case fan with a 3 pin intake which i plugged in a 4 pin on the motherboard

also the cpu fan doesnt work, my cpu fan is hooked up to SYSFAN1

>>62359426
Make sure you plugged the 3 pin into the correct position. Check your mobo for the pin configuration. One of the outer pins is PWM, which your 3 pin fans doesn't have.

>>62359216
I'd rather not cheap out on RAM.

Is this the place for unboxing images?

>>62358714
You're misinterpreting that chart. The "OC" designation means that the card has had an additional overclock applied by the tester.

The 970 with an additional OC can't even beat the stock clocks on a fast 6GB model. The 970 is approximately as fast as the 1060 3GB at gaming clocks, and of course both will be equally as fast with user OCs.

As far as price goes, the 970 is one of the best deals around if you're willing to buy used.

>>62359103
You are retarded. Do not attempt. Check other builds in the thread, and also PCpartpicker will warn you about incompatibilities

>>62359131
Only buy the 1080Ti if you have a 1440p >100Hz or 4K monitor. Otherwise get the 1060 6GB if playing at 1080p and you have money to burn

>>62359288
Need to get Ryzen 3 + 1050Ti

>>62359411
Retarded build, return the parts and try again

>>62359411
Buying a new FX chip is pants-on-head retarded

>>62359597
No. Go make your own thread.
Unless you are unboxing SLI 1080ti, nothing you unbox will impress us.

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>>62359676
S-Shut up, Anon.

>>62359653
Retarded post, it's just a small budget PC. Now do you have any idea why the monitor might not be detected?

>>62359697
youre a dumbass

>>62359697
Is this a joke.
Did you actually buy a new AM3 build.

>>62359697
It performs well for the price on a cheap ass budget build. That aside though any idea why it won't detect the monitor?

>>62359720
don't make fun of the cute anime girl >>62359697

>>62359224
So how can you have redundancy that doesn't function for reliable backup?

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>>62359727
Yeah I built it exactly 2 weeks ago, it's a beast for $400.

>>62359744
dude manage your cable

>>62359741
Backing up is not just for recovering from drive failures, you know. Maybe you want to roll back a file to a previous version or undelete something.
If you want to back up then do a back up, if you want a RAID then do a RAID, just don't use a RAID to back up.

>>62359706
>it's just a small budget PC.
No shit, you tried to build a budget PC. Doesn't make it ok to get an FX 6300 and a 550, moron.

>>62359755
I don't know how much space that tray has back there, but the cables I did use were routed perfectly, it's a nice system for being thrown together.

>>62359744
People might give it a bad rep but it's hard to go cheaper than that without sacrificing quality.

>>62352560
>Coin miners have driven price up and stock down, waiting to buy a GPU might be wiser
How long? I was thinking of buying a GTX 1060 6GB.

>>62359835
stump for the 1070

>>62359821
Finally someone gets it, there's more to computers than specs, I could've easily gotten a cheap ass flimsy case , 430w psu and a ryzen setup with less ram, but it wouldn't be as nice a machine, plus I can put a ryzen system in this case with it's decent psu when I've got money to do so and it'll be quality.

>>62359785
And what exactly would you get that's less than $200 with AT LEAST the same benchmarks?

>>62359841
I only game on 1080p 60hz though

>>62359864
As do I
Do it

>>62359841
I swear everytime I see someone saying they want anything below a 1080 there's always one person saying they should spend the extra 100$ for the next step above.

>get a new gpu
>find out all my games are poorly optimized pieces of garbage that rarely utilize it completely

>>62359870
You're the first one telling me to get a 1070 so I'm curious as to why you think that's better for 1080p@60hz

>>62359855
Depends on what benchmarks you're referencing, but almost undoubtedly he would have been fine on a G4560 and integrated graphics. So you're looking at about $100 for CPU + gfx + mobo

>>62359885
Should have bought better hardware goy hehehe

>>62359653
>Only buy the 1080Ti if you have a 1440p >100Hz or 4K monitor. Otherwise get the 1060 6GB if playing at 1080p and you have money to burn
I have the 1060 6GB SC right now, but I want to play 1080p @ 144hz, not 1440p @ 60hz.

How's this for gayming w/ R5 1600X if I want 1080p@60hz

>>62359937
I'm fucking retarded
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-06G-P4-6267-KR/dp/B01LYN9KK6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1505097660&sr=8-2&keywords=evga+geforce+gtx+1060

>>62359870
Same here. Gonna upgrade to a 1440p 144hz monitor soon. Not a gsync one though as they're all out of budget but probably a freesync one without using the shitty input lag fest that is freesync

>>62353892
Building a PC to use integrated GPU. Idiots are breaking the limits

>>62359888
Don't listen to him. 1060 is a good hold over card. Later you can upgrade monitor + gfx

>>62359935
Most games won't hit 144Hz anyway even with a top of the line CPU. IIRC Overwatch and R6:S will hit about 120FPS with a 1060, which is plenty.

Also change from Ultra down to High or Very High. Ultra is for morons who believe they're getting something better because of a name

>>62359949
Too expensive, get the 3GB version for about $215 - 230

>>62359898
I'll admit that the GPU was more or less because the mobo doesn't have integrated but he needs a mobo with 5.1 sound setup and a decent CPU. The CPU you listed is significantly slower for the same price.

Look I just need to get the monitor working. Everything else is peachy keen.

>>62359972
Why not the 6gb version? As someone that knows fuck all about parts I am not being sarcastic w/ that question.

>>62359982
Depends on your budget.

>>62360011
I have the money for either, but if the performance isn't that significantly different I guess I could save that money.

>>62360029
Just look up comparison benchmarks, then decide for yourself if you want to splurge the extra 100$ or so on the 6gb 1060

>>62359982
Get the 6gb. Getting the lower vram version of a card significantly shortens it's useful lifespan

>>62359972
>Most games won't hit 144Hz anyway even with a top of the line CPU. IIRC Overwatch and R6:S will hit about 120FPS with a 1060, which is plenty.
Given the input lag from playing on Ultra / High, I only play on the lowest settings while keeping the render scale on 100%. Disregarding looks, I prefer the performance. I've read a lot of people saying that getting above 144 FPS in most games on 1080p, using a 1060, is nearly impossible, meaning that getting a 1080p @ 144hz monitor would be useless.

I can't test that myself since I'm using a 1200p @ 60hz monitor from the stone ages, however.

>>62359768
Ah that makes perfect sense. Didn't think of that.

>>62360067
Ok I'll probably go with this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IPVSLTC/ref=twister_B01JA2DCKS?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Thanks

>>62359979
>The CPU you listed is significantly slower for the same price.
It is definitely not. You should feel bad
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Pentium-G4560-vs-AMD-FX-6300/3892vs1555

You wouldn't be having the monitor problem, either.

Also from >>62359411, you said you "used already working computer," and if you mean you installed Win7 to a HDD in a different computer, the installation is worthless. You can't just swap drives around with an OS installed; you have to install the OS on the mobo + HDD of the PC you want it on

>>62360073
I use an ASUS 1080p@60hz monitor I bought in 2011. I don't know if I should upgrade... is 1440p and/or 144hz that good an experience?

>>62359972
>>62360073
I get 120-144fps (with fps limiter)@ 1440p on a Ryzen 1600 with a 1080 on high/very high settings on Overwatch. A 200 dollar Ryzen is perfectly capable of it.

>>62360149
I've used 144hz monitors at friends and the difference is night and day. If you can't see the difference, you can at the very least feel it.
>>62360157
In the future, yes. I'm currently using a 4770k and 1060 GB, however.

>>62360149
It is. I have a dual monitor setup. 1440/144 and 1080/60. Whenever I move my mouse over, it feels like I am slowing down.

Is there a cheap case with room for three 140mm fans? I have a m-ATX Ryzen build and I want to move it to a case with better airflow

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Do you guys ever wonder if the value of bitcoin was artificially inflated for the time being to get people to buy gpus (which they are), and to normalize paying $800 for a high end gpu (which they have).

>>62360196
>>62360200
What about the difference between 1080p and 1440p?

1080p@144hz or 1440p@60hz?

>>62360073
>meaning that getting a 1080p @ 144hz monitor would be useless.
Absolutely wrong. Look up the purpose and pitfalls (eg screen tearing and input lag from buffered frames) of VSYNC. You can avoid VSYNC entirely with a high refresh rate monitor. Anyway a 144Hz monitor is for competitive games or ease of use

>>62360157
Well yeah, but my point is that you're CPU limited in that equation. Whether you have a 1080 or 1060 you'll still get almost the same framerate

And when I said "most games," I meant games like your average console titles like GTAV

>>62360149
1440p + >100Hz is really nice, but also really expensive especially considering GPU prices right now (you'll need a 1070 at minimum)

>>62360196
I used to get 130+ fps on my 3570k. A 4770k should be able to go higher with a good OC.

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what monitor/pair of monitors should i get to replace these 1080p 60 hz ones?

>>62360266
>What about the difference between 1080p and 1440p?
Size. Mostly.

>>62360264
Bitcoin price has nothing to do with GPUs since no one now is mining Bitcoin with GPUs. That is the realm of ASICs.

>>62360292
Well whatever they're mining, it needs to stap.

>>62360264
No, that's some pizzagate tier retardation

>>62360266
False choice, if you're buying a monitor now you get a $50 used 1080p 60Hz monitor or a high refresh rate monitor at either 1080p or 1440p.

>>62360300
ETH and now Zcash.
It is coming down since China is cracking down on Crypto. Just need the EU bank to do that as well and Trump and Crypto will effectively be dead.

>>62360321
Good, the shit is not backed by anything and I myself wouldn't take bitcoin, eth or whatever if I were a merchant slinging a product.

>>62360267
>Absolutely wrong.
I'll do more research then and maybe buy a new monitor before a new PC, considering the new PC will take a while to be done.
>>62360274
A 4770k should be able to go higher with a good OC.
Never overclocked, probably never will. I'm too afraid of damaging anything.

>>62360339
Merchants hate it because Merchants no way to regulate, control or track it.

>>62360321
>China and the EU memeing themselves into oblivion means that Trump is surely finished this time

Have you ever thought of applying for CNN?

>>62360445
I mean if China, EU and Trump cracks down on Crypto it will be dead.

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How important is DDR4 ram speed?

>>62360477
Intel? Not really important.
Ryzen? Quite important but isn't that big a difference.

>>62360477
Basically get 3000MHz with Ryzen or an i7

Rather than buying an SSD and an HDD, I'm looking to just buy a single SSD. Question is, which kind of SSD is the best? M2, SATA, PCI-E?

>>62360321
>It is coming down since China is cracking down on Crypto. Just need the EU bank to do that as well and Trump and Crypto will effectively be dead.

I love it when retards make predictions like this. Yeah, crypto is really suffering with nearly $150 billion in market capital.

>>62360339
>Good, the shit is not backed by anything

You are describing every fiat currency ever.

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Add watercooling and a 1080ti to this, how am I doing? Pic for attention

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/JLxcwV

>>62360267
My point is a cheaper 200 dollar CPU can do it and it can even get minimums of 60+ fps most of the time in a lousy game like PUBG normally around 100+ fps up to 144. A cheap CPU is not a limiting factor for 144 fps anymore. Combined with a freesync or gsync monitor it's more up to current GPUs to be able to get into 144fps territory.

>>62360348
>Never overclocked, probably never will. I'm too afraid of damaging anything.
There's literally nothing to worry about, especially with old hardware. The reason I'm still not using my 3570k is because I tried to delid it and delaminated the fiberglass and a few of the CPU contacts trying to push it as far as I could go (and as an excuse to get a ryzen if I did break it). I was able to get 4.1+ GHz on air @ 1.28 or so vcore using an evo 212 easily for nearly 3 years (and 4.5 GHz on water at 1.4V) .

The only damaging thing is too high of prolonged and sustained temps followed by voltage. Just do a few quick searches on forums of what people clock to on a similar air cooling setup. Then set to a similar (or slightly lower) voltage they use and find out what frequency you can get to. Keep an eye on temperatures during stress tests and gaming just make sure they don't get to high-mid 80's and you should be safe under any scenario (and even cooler for games). I even set my OC to a point where it would get to 100C and thermal throttle under stress test but peak at mid 80C for games and I still didn't damage my CPU.

An easy voltage to start out with on your 4770k would be to check your vcore voltage in BIOS and slowly increase it with your clocks. It should be <1.2V or so stock. A 1.25V vcore setting is a mild voltage for an overclock and 1.3V would be a higher end overclock for basic air coolers. Set your vcore and then up your core multiplier (CPU frequency) from 35 (3.5GHz) and go up. Use my OC as a rough estimate of what to adjust for with your vcore and cpu frequency being relative to each other.

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>>62360696
cont.

Keep in mind temperatures/stability will be a great indicator of what your CPU can handle. Blue screens from instability won't kill your CPU and you can downclock after a reboot. If you computer doesn't pass POST from an overclock too high just take out the CMOS battery so it goes back to default settings and try again with some extra voltage to keep the frequency stable or roll the frequency down while keeping the same voltage.

Just believe in the me that believes in you!

>>62360477
If you gotta go fast get 3200MHz. If you are a faggot then a cheap kit is ok.

>>62360688
What the hell do you need threadripper for?

>>62360768
>Just believe in the me that believes in you!
Damn, just that one little quote from TTGL makes me want to try this tonight. I guess if anything bad DOES happen, I have a valid excuse to buy my new PC and put it on a credit card instead of buying it all with cash later.

>>62360477
Not important at all with a GPU bottleneck.
Can save you in a CPU bottleneck.

>>62360777
4k gaming

>>62360787
>I have a valid excuse to buy my new PC
A new B350, 16GB of DDR4 RAM and Ryzen 1600 is all you would need if you somehow managed to kill your cpu. Should be 450 or so dollars. Plus the stock coolers on those are actually not too bad either.

>>62360787
Also when you're done with that move onto your GPU so you can get go sanic speed.

>>62360819
no you dont
no game in existence can use that many cores

>>62360890
>Plus the stock coolers on those are actually not too bad either.
I was looking that up earlier today because I wasn't sure if I would need another after market cooler.
>>62360902
Absolutely not. I have the 6GB SC GPU, so it's only a single fan. The highest I've seen it peak is 3,000 RPM, but I've seen it sit at around 2600-2800 RPM and the noise from it is very bothering.

>>62360787
NO DONT USE A CREDIT CARD ITS THE KIKES TRICKERY. ITS JUST TO PUT YOU IN DEBT, DONT FALL FOR GREEDY JEW TACTICS.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nt2jTH
Thoughts on this build? I can't find anything wrong with it but I'm sure I fucked something up.

>>62360934
It's the 1900 version, it only has 8 cores. Plus it's good for semi-future proofing. I might be doing a lot more with it, who knows.

>>62360819
4k gaming is a GPU bottleneck, not a CPU bottleneck. If you care that much invest in SLI.

>>62360688
>>62360819
Also NVMe is useless in games.

>>62360943
Looks good, although you may want a bigger HDD.

>>62360936
And then once you're not satisfied with noise you go custom loop watercooling and get cpu block and gpu block with low RPM high static pressure fans on 480mm of radiator for maximum coolness and maximum sound reduction and even higher OC because you gotta go fast and can't stop!

>>62360961
I realized this recently actually, but still it'll be a rig that'll hold out for a few years at least. For a while I only wanna be upgrading the graphics card hence why I'm trying to go all out now so it can hold out for a while.

>>62360980
Explain? I was just thinking for the OS.

am i retarded or do ryzens cost like 50% more now

>>62361006
Well, with the 1080ti I'm getting, alongside the case, noise wont really be an issue.

>>62361009
NVMe, as the OP says is for scratch disk and VMs.
The difference is nowhere near worth it for games or windows boot.

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>>62361011
im retarded i was using the australian site

>>62361011
Did you switch pcpartpicker's currency?

>>62361030
Shit didn't know this. Almost fell for the NVMe meme. Thanks anon.

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Anyone have any idea what the best GPU I could pair with an N3050 CPU (the laptop one) with minimal bottlenecking would be? I was considering buying a 1050ti or 1060, but am worried it would be pointless due to harsh bottlenecking.

>>62361176
>minimal bottlenecking
Are you fucking with me

>>62361199
Ive "built" one pc in my life, and it was pretty much copy-pasted from logicalincrements.

Would a 1030 give decent results? I dont know much about bottlenecking or how to predict what will run well together.

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>>62361342
Damn dude, build your second pc cause this is ridiculous.

>>62361342
Just get the 1050ti

>>62359216
If you have the monitor for it, do you reach 144hz consistently at 1440p with higher settings?

Is 300w too much for the 480w power supply from a 7 year old prebuilt?

>>62361415
What? Currently the build is n3050 with igpu and the monitor is 1366x768 @ 60hz. I dont have any better monitors to test on unfortunately. I have no frame issues with normal computing (managing files, browser/email use, etc).

>>62361427
Using 300W absolute max isn't bad for a 450w psu, and if you're using pcpartpicker for the estimation then you're really never gonna use 300w.

>>62361455
Sweet, time to get two old Firepros in Crossfire.

>>62360091
Single fan/mini GPUs suck. Better off with a reference cooler.

Is hdmi to vga better than dvi 24+1
I just bought 1050 ti and cant seem to boot up my window

>>62361579
>hdmi to vga
That's not possible because digital, you'll want display port to DVI.

>>62354661
A Phenom X4 955.
http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/p/19490441/20295227#20295227

>>62361579
If it is not booting, means you fucked up somewhere.

I just buy hdmi to vga and it finally boot up..now i just need to install new driver..dvi 24+1 seem to be the problem for me

>>62360696
>A cheap CPU is not a limiting factor for 144 fps
Most games, outside of the competitive ones, are not designed to run at that framerate. The competitive ones (the ones that are designed around framerate) can easily get to >100FPS

>>62361342
CPU won't be running anything modern like The Witcher 3. 1050 2GB is the most I'd advise

>>62361579
Try a different PCIe slot

I'm about to spend $155 upgrading my old Inspiron for fun, for that money I'm getting 4 2GB RAM sticks, a Phenom X4 955 (highest supported by the BIOS) and a FirePro 7900. Could I get better for under $200 by replacing the MOBO to get a better CPU and cheaper RAM? Ideally with 2 PCI-E slots because with that FirePro being $20 Crossfire is in reach.

>>62361810
A G4560 + one motherboard + 1 single stick of DDR4 4GB ram can be obtained with 200 dollars or less.

>>62361810
Here, and you have $20 left for the FirePro. You'll need RAM but it's not too expensive. Upgrade path forever and Crossfire capable.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DnVpwV

>>62361782
And in those such games (like gta5) a high end cpu will still struggle to get even close to 144 fps, so a "high end" cpu like a threadripper or 7900X are not a prerequisite for 144fps.

>>62361782
Oh my bad I thought you said you needed a high end to get that kind of fps in those games. Disregard
>>62361871

>>62361828
>>62361869
I just remembered that I have a motherboard with and 8350 and 8GB DDR3, but it's ATX so I'd need an mATX motherboard. Is that a better idea?

I just had a friend ask about emulating PS4 and Xbox one games on PC when asking me about building him a PC.
I know nothing about this. Enlighten me on the requirements so I can help him better.

>>62361965
XBox One games are rarely exclusives, and when they are you can get them from the Windows 10 store. We don't even have Xbox 360 emulation, crush his dreams gently.

>>62361965
>PS4 and Xbox one games on PC
Uhh we aren't there yet, just build him a Ryzen 5 1600 meme rig and have him run the games natively.

>>62361982
>>62361985
He doesn't need a 1600 that I can find. He's not big into gaming either.
He said he would need it for:
> writing, coloring streaming, music and downloading, and maybe playing The Sims.
The guy currently has 500GB worth of flash drive just holding his porn because his laptop lacks enough space.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sF7MsJ

Are
You
Fucking
Kidding
Me

What the actual FUCK are those RAM prices????????
£160 for 16gb RAM, am I being fucking bamboozled to the max?

>>62362084
no. There's an industry-wide shortage or NAND flash memory because Apple and Samsung have new phones coming out. The shortage affects ram and ssd's.