/pcbg/ PC Building General

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>>62273645
Is this better? I seriously can't go higher than this

>>62273684
I wished so many times that britbongs had the same value of euros

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WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO 510EUR (+30 FOR SHIPPING) ARE THEY OUT OF THEIR FUCKIN MINDS? 610 USD FOR A LOWER PERFORMANCE THAN A 1070!

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Assembled and also overclocked!
I'm pretty sure I can get the 1700 quite higher but I wanna run some benchmarks and play some games with these clocks to see how the performance stacks up to stock clocks on the CPU and RAM.

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>>62274467
>3066MHz RAM

>>62274449
just crack and buy nvidia already. amd is never going to pull their head out of their ass (see : polaris msrp availability). miners have taken priority over their gaming customers and that's the way it's going to be for the next few years.

>>62274441
Try to get single stick 8 gigs of RAM, also a gtx 1060 if you can find It cheaper than the 580

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Threadly reminder that windows 10's balanced power mode (default) fucks up ryzen. You get up to 8% higher fps by switching to AMD's balanced mode, or using high performance in the hidden options..

>>62274502
It's 3200mhz but it's unstable at 3200, so I settled for clocking it at 3000mhz, the highest stable clocks I could reach.

>>62274535
>recommending single channel

What the fuck are you doing, retard.

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>mfw just bumping to 3.6GHZ
>mfw no temp changes on stock cooler and only one case fan

>>62274502
if your confused then ur dumb. i run at 3200 because its just better.

>>62274380
kobeni is qt af

anyway, will an rx470 strix bottleneck an r5 1600 for 1080? i feel like it shouldnt.

>>62274591
should be fine at 1080P@60hz

really optimized games you will need to dip a bit.

>>62274441
Oh. I'm American, didn't realize. Here's one in your budget: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/cxyDLD
(I hope you can buy from British sellers)

>>62274541
Where to fix this?

>>62274702
Search "Power plan" on windows start menu and edit your power plan to be high performance.

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IT'S OVER
INTEL ARE FINISHED

>>62274890
let's be honest, the average pc consumer won't care and they'll buy it anyway because "EXPENSIVE = BETTER"

>>62274908
they'll care when their computer turns out to be the best space heater they've ever bought

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>gpu goes out of stock when I have money to buy it

Hello, /g/oys. My GPU and CPU came in today. Waiting on Newegg to ship my mobo, ram, case, and psu. Anything I should do in preparation for the build other than wait?

>>62275160
take pictures of your shit and post it here

>>62275183
But my only camera is the OP3T camera and I have shit lighting in my dorm.

>>62274514
>ASUS putting out crypto-mining motherboards.
>AMD turning their back on the market they depend on for short-term gains

It's like AMD had Intel on their knees but then decided they preferred sucking cock.

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So, my laptop I've been using and got from cyberpowerpc for a grand just shit the bed and I need a new one for college and casual use.

But Ive been contemplating building a PC instead of getting something like a thinkpad though. And if I get a laptop, what's the best I can get for 2 grand?

Looking for a friend

>>62275206
Is it just for College? Any video editing, Photo Editing, VM work, or really anything? Gaming?

Does it need to be portable?

Are you sure 2 grand is your budget?

>>62275206
For 2 grand, spec-wise, probably a beefed up gaming laptop. If you want an ultra book, I highly recommend the dell XPS 15. I spent $1500 on mine and it's the best laptop I've ever used. I don't have coil whine, but others have gotten it. Dell has usually fixed that, though, with no issues.

Don't get a MacBook. Please. It's a waste of money.

>>62275206
>>62275223
>>62275238
Oh. I misunderstood his question.

>>62275223
>>62275238
>>62275250
I can make a pretty powerful pc build with what I've got, but I could also get an ultrabook or a p51 ThinkPad instead. This will be for everything. Gaming, CAD work (in an engineering student), essays, whatever.

>>62274441
Make 2 separate orders, one on Amazon.de and one on Amazon.it:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/msZ47h
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/WhqLZ8
Total should be around 755€.
I would seriously consider an SSD though, the 850 EVO 250Gb is 90€ on Amazon.it, if you can get that and just recycle your old HDD until you can afford a new HDD for storage it would be much better.

>>62275206
>>62275378

I recommend getting a cheap laptop like the T420,X230, myabe even a quadcore W520 abd shoving an SSD in it and using the rest to build a pc.

Or

Build a cute but powerful itx pc. You won't be able to take it into class, but it'll be portable enough to take between your home and dorm if you live on campus.

>>62275466
Please stop suggesting the 212 Evo for Ryzen. The stock coolers are better.

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>finally broke through the wall and have some idea on what the fuck pc parts mean and are

Also who actively waits for black friday sales and cyber whatever the hell it is for their build buys?

>>62275460
This is the pc build I have atm
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9TdyM8
Might just get a Thinkpad if i choose not to build this then, depends

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>>62275527
they're not though

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>>62275531
Nobody because those deals are just retailers trying to move garbage that never sells. Only good deals might be on SSDs but I doubt it.

LMAO@any retard who thinks he's gonna score a sub-$300 580 if he waits fo BF

>>62275597
fake news.

>>62275531
BF sales is for shit like mouse, keyboards and monitors.
You are not going to get anything good on BF that is in demand.

>>62274514
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/09/05/bitcoin-dips-another-200-after-chinas-cryptocurrency-crackdown.html

Are you as excited as I am to watch it crash and burn Anon?

>>62275631
there's a 580 near me that's 299 open box if that counts

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>>62275682
#CryptoCrash2017

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>>62275682
>posting an AMP link

>>62275580
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9TdyM8

You can drop the x370 board for a b350 and save some cash, x370 only matters if you want sli/crossfire (2+gpus)

Your powersupply is overkill, you can easily get by with like 500-550w after overclocking. Pic related

You can save $100 by pirating windows.

With these changes you can put the money towards a 1080ti, or even just line your pockets if you want.

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>>62275962
>>62275580

Fuck

>Art contest for RX 580
>Sitting here trying to speedily work out an understanding of artistic composition and how this fucking paint spreads, having spent all my time leading up to this in the past week trying to come up with ideas and sketching concepts
>Have already ruined one canvas trying to figure this out, leaving it a paint-caked mess before I snapped it in half.

I have roughly 18 hours. I'll need to use every dirty trick I can find just to have a snowball's chance in hell of being able to submit something.

Wee.

>>62276263

Just shit on the canvas and submit it. It'll show how bold you are.

>>62276287
Heh. My last attempt looked like I had smeared shit on a canvas.

>>62276300
Go with some that is progressive. Maybe something about LGBTBQ*+ or some shit like that. Art contest eat that shit up.

>>62276263
just write "delidding" on your canvas, instant win

So would it be bad to run a high end system on a shitty monitor? I have most of my parts for my new build and I am concerned that if I try to use it on a shitty 1080p monitor the system might over-work and lessen the shelf life. I have a 1080ti and an r7 1700 ready to go, just make sure I can get everything set up before I buy my monitor.

>>62276546
No. It will just be a waste of money. That is like having a V8 engine in a Honda Jazz chassis. Your engine is great but your body can only go so fast.

>>62276576I mean more like assembling the PC and setting it up to make sure it works before I can buy something like a 1440p monitor ( I cant buy everything at once).

>>62276613
What? No. The only thing you are wasting is the potential of your current system. You can run your system on a CRT if you wish to and it will do no harm.

>>62276646

Thanks, I'm just a bit worried about expensive stuff I buy.

>6 fans in pc
>39C average idle between cpus, drives and gpu
>55C average gaming for a long time
Can I go lower with natural aspiration? How?

>>62276861
That is how you get condesation and ruin your PC

>>62276872
Even if airflow is constant? I even have a vent on the side. Obviously it doesn't NEED to be colder, I'm just interested

About to pull the trigger on $900 worth of parts. And that's before the gpu($450) and a monitor. Wew.

>>62276861
>6 fans in pc
>39C idle
That's pretty shitty, I've got my cpu fan and an exhaust and it idles at 29C.

>>62276895
You know what happens when a surface is colder than the ambient temperature?

>>62276918
I figured, which is why I asked. Might just be hot in this room, but still. You have no intake?

>>62276950
I have a front intake fan but it's disconnected to keep the noise down.

>>62276972
How loud is loud? I dunno if it helps the frame of reference but with 6 fans plus cooler I can play forza and set my headphones on the desk at 65% volume, and drown out my fans, I actually just checked. If I manually ramp them up though it sounds like I'm redlining an engine

>>62275187
op3t has a good low light camera

>>62277022
Well my sistem would be quiet even with a front fan but it doesn't even get hot enough to need an intake and my side panel has a bunch of holes that let air draft in.

So I built my PC I'd say 3 or 4 months ago. These are my specs.

G4560
RX 570
8 GB RAM (2x4 GB)

I'm thinking of replacing the CPU but now I see Ryzen is a thing and I don't know what to do, and what would make more sense in terms of cost efficiency.

If I get a Ryzen 5 CPU, I need to replace the mobo.

Should I go i5 to keep costs down or just wait to replace my mobo and get a Ryzen?

>>62277049
Damn. Maybe it's just too hot here. It's about 40C so I guess the computer is room temp. I can't wait for the cold. Are there different kinds of fans? I only ask because I'm using hand me down red fans, I eventually want a decent color

>>62277172
I would go Ryzen because the motherboard has more longevity. AMD has committed to the AM4 socket through 2020, meanwhile, Intel's LGA1151 socket is being replaced. It may be more toupgrade now for you, but down the line, it may end up cheaper overall since it will last so long.

>>62277172
I just finished a build with a ryzen 3 and I've been streaming the witcher 3 maxed for hours on a 1060 6gb. I'm sure you could get that out of an i5 but for less than 200 dollars you could do a ryzen 3 and decent board combo.

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Which one should I buy?

>>62277206
One is mini and one is micro, aren't they?

>>62277175
Yes. There's MANY different types of fans. You can even get RGB fans now that can glow in your choice of 16.8 million colors via software.
I'm personally planning to use Cooler Master Master Fan Pro 120 RGB Air Pressure (wow, what a long fucking name) fans for my build. My choice wasn't just the RGB, or the fact the fans are compatible with my motherboard/RGB software choice, but also because the actual fanblades themselves are the same ones used on the stock Ryzen coolers.
That's my choice and my reasons though. You make your own.
http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/case-fan/masterfan-pro-120-ap-rgb/

>>62277221
They're both Micro-ATX. mATX is Micro-ATX. Mini-ATX is some weird form smaller than Mini-ITX.

>>62277206
neither
get a fucking ATX mobo

>>62277221
They're both micro ATX

>>62277221
They're both micro.

I might upgrade my CPU soon but I'll need to change my motherboard because the CPU socket will change. Has to be m-ATX.

>>62277263
Not happening, my case doesn't have enough room and can't be bothered changing it.

>>62277206
neither. Get this instead
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813144026

>>62277262
>>62277265
>>62277266
I figured the distinction between matx and micro atx might be important. How do they denote micro then? Just by typing it out?

>>62277293
Micro is just mATX or Micro ATX

>>62277279
>3 star average
>1 star review: "Do not buy if you have a Ryzen 5 1600 unless you have an older chip that can power up the computer so you can install the new bios for the 1600. I should of read the reviews before i bought this motherboard."
Ryzen 1600 is exactly what I have my eye on though.

>>62274467

should sell that r9 380 and get gtx 1070 anon

>>62275962
what about the m.2 SSD? if I get the b-350, it shows Compatability issues

>>62277314
ignore them. The B350M Mortar is just an mATX version of the much beloved full size ATX MSI B350 Tomahawk board.
MSI does lag behind the other board manufacturers for bios updates, but they do have the latest revisions out that fix 99% of the early teething problems with Ryzen. Just make sure your board has a bios with the AGESA update

>>62277314
Ryzen 5 has been out for months now, how the hell are they still selling mobos with a BIOS that won't support it

>>62277279
I actually just bought this, but the atx arctic version. Looks cool, works great. Used a 1300x and didn't need to upgrade, you might be good

>>62277363
>I actually just bought this, but the atx arctic version
so the Tomahawk Arctic? That's the one I have my eye on. How is it?

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>>62277373
It's nice, take your time with the cable management, it looks cool. Room for expansion, I still have to add a ssd and wireless card to the board. Cheap and effective, bios is a little clunky but otherwise easy to use.

Not sure if this belongs on /sqt/, but is there a way to limit my fps if it's not a setting in game. Not a serious gamer, so rocking a 1050, however I can see the fps jump around a bit at 1080p, anyway to cap it at 30 fps when playing games? I'd rather have a consistent fps

>>62277197
>>62277202
Thanks you guys, I'll look into Ryzen 3/5 lines and try to set some money aside for both that and the mobo.

>>62277450
A b350 board and ryzen 3 1300x combo is exactly 213 usd shipped. You can save money if you overclock a 1300 though.

>>62277488
And the 1300x is sufficient enough for 1080p@60fps for most games you think? What about streaming? Sorry, just recently got into PC gaming and trying to hit that at minimum.

>>62277537
>What about streaming?
You want a Ryzen 5 1600 for that at bare minimum.

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>poorfag build from 4 years ago
>graphics card is starting to die
>MSI 7850, one of the fans isn't working
>can't afford a new card right now
>take it apart, try to re-lube the fan
>put it back together
>mfw motherboard beeps out VGA failure
I probably was too liberal with the thermal paste. I fell for the AMD meme too, so I don't have any way to use my computer until I get a new card. Point and laugh. It's okay.

>>62277568
I've been using the 1300x just fine, honestly. An upgrade to the 1600 would be nice imo, but not while it's working anyways

>>62277568
Thanks!

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Which one should I buy?

>>62277590
I had a 4850 do the same thing years ago. They just.. do that.

>>62277683
I am horribly biased against Gigabyte.

>>62277733
why?

>>62277738
The first system I built had a Gigabyte motherboard. The fucking audio connectors blew randomly so I had to basically retool the drivers to switch around the tasks assigned to each input whenever I reformatted or played with operating systems.

Fuck miners.

>>62277777
I'm a fuck miner, can I help you?

>>62277757
damn that sucks, do you think they have improved since then or no second chance?

>>62277783
lol fuck u for fucking up our gpu prices

Any opinions for a poorfag?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xWRpTH

I was also thinking I could save money by grabbing some old beige case from ebay and making this a sleeper.

Goal is 1080p like 30fps or like 60fps if I can squeeze it out of settings.

>>62277817
1080p 60fps is manageable for overwatch and minecraft basically, tomb raider and battlefield is going to be tough

>>62277817
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HzTbJV

>>62277860

Cool, better gpu and right on my budget.

>>62277881
If you can go any further on your budget, I'd recommend 16GB of RAM

>>62277900

Is it a huge difference? Friend told me I could get away with 8gb, I was kinda hoping my next upgrade would be a cheap ssd. I could go for the ram if it's worth it though.

>>62277936
You'll want more RAM later, trust me
Maybe go for something like this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PmTbJV

Are there cases that separate the psu from the rest of my stuff? Basically, one side has the psu and cables, the other has my board and cards. I think I've seen a few but I don't know what to call that style

>>62278109
The Corsair Air 540 and 740 are cool, they've got chambers for your psu and drives/board.

>>62278109

Pretty sure the Air 540 Does this.

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/carbide-series-air-540-high-airflow-atx-cube-case

They also make external psu if that's your thing.

My GT card just died and decided to get a GTX 1050Ti because i cant play stuff with my IGPU.

MSI or Zotac?
What would having a 6pin power slot give me when it comes to performance?

>>62278120
>>62278122
Neat. Are there options? I'm try searching again for chambered cases

>>62278157
MSI
6 pin just means more stability

>>62278172
lian li pc-08

>>62278172

What's you're goal, just want something different or are you just trying to hide the psu? A lot of chassis manufacturers make cases with psu shrouds that cover the psu and all its cables to improve aesthetics

>>62278196
https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/product/B01MA62JSZ/

Alright then, going to buy it in 2 weeks.

>>62278236
>>62278172
Don't buy LianLi shit

>>62278440
y

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What are some recommended brands/models of internal card readers? I couldn't find any recommendations anywhere.

I'm looking for a 3.5'' card reader but 5.25'' is fine too if it doesn't endless have piss poor customer reviews on every website by people who bought one and broke it in a week.

>>62278455

Not him, but some of the cases are overpriced and QC can be spotty despite the premium price you pay.

>>62278748

Unfortunately that's the luck of the draw, why can't you buy an external one?

>>62278788
I already have a enough adapters knocking around, I just want something internal for convenience's sake

>>62277332
Different guy but also owner of r9 380. In what world I can sell this card for ~$550, because that's the price of 1070.

>>62274514
That's not how it works.
>>62275682
BTC isn't the reason video cards are expensive.

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Opinions on my build? Also will I be able to play 1440p and 4k with no freezing ? I don't care so much for 60 fps on them just for them to be playable also I'm torn between a 7700k and ryzen 7 1700 and I'm about to buy a CPU so please tell me which should I Choose? I like the 7700k for the more fps in games but I like the 1700 for the cores and being able to stream better but the fps is kinda lower compared to the 7700k. Which one is the better buy guys?

Is Ryzen *that* good? A couple years ago I fell for the AMD meme and bought an FX-6300. Regret it to this day, high temperatures and low performance.

>>62278980
Ryzen is light years better than AMD's previous FX shit

Kobenis :DDDD

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139196
>Corsair
>not even 80+ Bronze
>mail-in rebate
Only $20 tho

>>62275160
No. You can start when you have the case, or when you have the mobo and cpu, but right now you can't do shit.
My motherboard is the last piece I'm missing myself and it's coming today. I chose not to get express shipping to save 1€ with amazon prime, and now I regret it because it was shipped from a different country so it took longer than everything else.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125971
3-fan 1060 6GB for under $300!

>>62277314
What's this new meme. I literally ordered r5 1600 on release day with msi b350m mortar and it worked out of box. Never had to update anything.

>>62277293
There are many formats, but only 3 that are actually used.
ATX
Micro-ATX (smaller)
Mini-ITX (smallest)

When someone says ITX, they always mean mini ITX.

>>62277444
You should be able to do that from nvidia's driver

>>62278994
It might be, but why should I bother upgrading to a Ryzen when I can get an i5-7500 for 40 bucks less.

I can't bring myself to trust AMD after the FX, I'm just too damaged...

>>62277568
Stop saying retarded shit. This is wrong.

>>62277936
You'll be fine with 8GB. I'd rather have an SSD than 16GB.

>>62278109
Yes, but more cases simply have a PSU shroud in the bottom, like the NZXT S340 for example, which achieves the same thing.

>>62278157
>What would having a 6pin power slot give me when it comes to performance?
Maybe a higher overclock ceiling.

>>62278976
Post the link, not a phone screenshot.

>>62279258
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/nightlyskill/saved/scbjcf

Oops sorry

>>62278976
The 1600 would work just as well for what you're doing.
The 1080 might struggle for 4K60fps in the more demanding games unless you lower the settings, but overall everything should be playable.

>>62279195
Boards require successive BIOS updates to become compatible with Ryzen 5, and then Ryzen 3
If you try to plug in a CPU that the BIOS hasn't been updated to handle, it simply won't work at all

>>62279302
So, the bios was updated on launch day or close to it, because it worked for me. Like I said it's a meme no one should worry about it.

>>62279223
>hates fx for being hot and weak
>wants intel

I Bought a Gigabyte ab350 gaming 3 but now i saw a feedback on newegg that someone's ab350 VRM had caught fire. Should i get the extinguisher ready?

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>>62279392

>>62279223
>i5-7500 for 40 bucks less
fake news, but for real i5 is not cheaper than r5 and it's 4/4 with 3.4ghz while 1600 is 6/12 with 3.8ghz 100% of the times 4ghz if you're lucky

Should I just buy a Ryzen or wait for Coffee Lake (built my pc in 2012, i5 2500k)

I'm going to be buying everything new except peripherals. Have had bad experience with AMD before...

So, is it worth waiting for Coffee Lake if all I do is playing games?
I really wanted that sweet 1700 with the stock cooler, but I don't see any benefit for me if I just shitpost, play games and maybe do some of these multi threading shit, but an i5 8700k would do just fine, I guess.

I also have currently an i5-4460 and a 1060 6GB with a 1440@144 monitor, so I'll also get the next Gen's GPU and sell this one.

Reposted from the older thread.

>>62279490
I'd say wait. 2 things may happen: 1. coffee lake is magic and is much better, (probably not) or it's nothing new just intel cpus with 6 cores 12 threads which can now compete with ryzen, so hopefully ryzen prices might go down a bit. In both cases you win. Also with overclocked 2500k you can still get through to wait for the coffee lake.

>>62279490
Depends what you're going to do with it and what your budget is.

>>62279509
>>62279516
See this, just my opinion. I don't see a reason to not wait. It's not like ryzens are gonna go out of stock or raise in prices like gpus. Just from my personal experience I'm happy I waited that 2 more months for ryzens even tho I also didn't want to trust amd.

>>62277332
I'm building a scraps computer for my brother using my old parts and that R9 380X is part of it, so I won't sell it.

>>62279548
>I don't see a reason to not wait
except if you want a pc now. you can always wait more if you're just upgrading because you feel like it, but at some point you'll have to buy even if something new is coming soon.

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I know this is like a $235 card, but are prices finally starting to come back down?

>>62279548
Fuck me, didn't see the post above.
Anyway, I'll just wait, maybe even for Ryzen 2, but I'm building two PCs for two friends, one can't really wait for nothing and the other probably can wait to Coffe Lake and go for the bib delid dude (i7-8700K).

I'll wait for the r7 2700 or whatever, it even sounds familiar to the 2500k/2600k.

Thanks, Anon.

>>62279563
Well yeah but it's not like coffee lake is months away. It's coming out in a few weeks.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nn3z3F
I'm close to buying this. Thoughts?

>>62279638
>Thermal take aio

At least get something decent.

>>62279638
gonna need a bigger case, dingus

>>62279671
It was the only 360mmAIO I could find on the site. I plan on getting a similarly sized AIO but i can't find any I like.
>>62279675
Why?

>>62279689
oh I thought those were 2.5", nvm. Carry on, moneybags

Do any of you fags play Arma 3?
If so, and you have a Ryzen, how's the performance compared to an Intel CPU?

Ryzen 1700 or 1700x which one should I buy right now for my first build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/nightlyskill/saved/scbjcf

>>62275438
I'll just save up for the SSD instead because right now I have a literal toaster and I can't even recycle the HDD because I need to give it away to someone.
Thanks for the help anyway.

>>62279738
looks good to me, I don't think you need a 1700x

You could save ~$25-30 on RAM though

>>62276287
Something something male menstrual blood

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which one do i plug in
i've never understood

About to get a new PC. Anything I missed?

CPU: *Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U12S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: *Asus - STRIX Z270-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Memory: *Kingston - HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Video Card: *Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB ROG STRIX Video Card
Case: *Fractal Design - Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: *SeaSonic - PRIME Titanium 750W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
Monitor: Asus - ROG SWIFT PG278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 144Hz Monitor

The monitor and GPU will be bought together in a bundle, there's a decent deal at a local store which includes a ~200 Dollar discount.

>>62279990
Wait for Coffee Lake.

>>62279925
Buy a proper soundcard and use that one.

>>62280034
woah i dind't know it was 2004 anymore.

>>62279925
HD Audio is the newer standard so use that and make sure it's set in the BIOS. Most mobos let you switch between standards but I bet it would default to HD audio.

>>62280041
Well, they come with RGB now

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3200173/peripherals/hands-on-creative-labs-sound-blasterx-ae-5-ups-the-audio-for-gamers.html

>>62280041
If the board had at least ALC1220 then the onboard sound might be acceptable but ALC889, which is only on budget boards, is pure earcancer.

>>62280060
>is pure earcancer.
sounds fine to me.

also the board is from 2008.

>>62278972
it's amds inability to match demand, i know. in my eyes it's incompetence and something i'll no longer defend.

>>62280059
If I get this souncard do I still need to buy an amp and dac for an audiophile headset?

>>62280104
Seemingly not but you'll have to judge yourself. The measurements provided look good, the DAC chip is solid, so as long as the amp portion can get your shit loud enough I think it would be fine.

The question is whether or not you hear noise but you won't know until you install it and try it. I would buy it from a retailer like amazon that lets you return it within a month if you don't want it.

Ryzen 1700 or intel 7700k kaby lake ? Want it purely for game and maybe streaming time to time. No video editing or any thing of the sort. Also wanna run 2 monitors.

>>62280128
Sounds good, I'm space constrained and I don't know where I'd put the dac and amp. From watching the video apparently it can drive heapdhones up to 600Omh, so it should be good.

>>62280104
>If I get this souncard do I still need to buy an amp and dac for an audiophile headset?
if you get that soundcard you should jump in front of the nearest train and spare the universe the very slim chance that someone as stupid as you will breed.

>>62280092
But since it's a massive and temporary surge in demand, increasing production to respond to it would lose AMD tons of money.

>>62279990
For 1440p144Hz, a 1080 Ti would be better.

>>62280188
You're choosing between 1600 and 7700k, not 1700.
The 7700k is better in outright performance for video games, the 1600 is better for multithread.
There's a webm floating around of both CPUs used to play a game while streaming, and the 1600 performs better there.
The 1600 is less expensive, and comes with a good stock cooler, so it's the better value of the two.

>>62280188

https://youtu.be/-LMGOq_PbVQ

If you're gonna stream, you want Ryzen

>>62280263
Dunno about the Ti, the build is already expensive enough. But maybe I really should wait for coffee lake.

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>>62275071
>had finger on button to buy gpu before eth for 270
>it's out of stock and 370-400 now

>>62279584
Yes, slowly. Should be completely back to normal by October. Unless some crypto cancer happens again

should i wait for the next i5 Coffee Lake? I'm going to build a pc mainly for gaming

>>62280278
Both the 1700 and 1600 are cheaper, 1700 is roughly $280 and 1600 is a bit under $200

>>62280768
Sure, but you're not getting anymore performance in gaming out of the 1700. It's not an i5 competitor.

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All the pieces are finally here ,just to be sure is the guide in the wiki still good?

>>62280833
It's a bit shit, but it should work. It doesn't touch on cable management at all, which ideally you should be thinking about from the start.
Keep the GPU for last.

>>62280833
Watch youtube tutorials instead.

>>62275466
Thanks for the useful infographic

>>62280756
Intel 8th gen should be out this month or the next, you should wait to see what they're about unless you're in a hurry. Intel haven't increased the core count on their mainstream CPUs in like a decade, might as well wait to see what they can pull off now that AMD lit a fire under their ass and they're finally moving from 4 to 6.

Best value for money 144hz monitor? Don't really want to exceed £200 by much if i can avoid it.

Primarily only using for games and other causal usuage

>>62280060
What if I have ALC 887?

>>62281371
>£200
Isn't pound worthless now? I doubt you can find anything for that much.

What's the best program for comparing CPUs? And no, not video games. Is Cinebench the way to go? I have Thinkpad X230 with a Intel i5 3320M that I need to replace with a desktop and it gets 240 in Cinebench, is it much of an upgrade to get something like the Athlon X4 950 that gets like 308?

>>62281447
Still more than the euro, and you can find 144Hz monitors for 200€

>>62281570
>What's the best program for comparing CPUs?
There is no such thing, it depends on your workload.

>>62281632
>Still more than the euro
>1 British pound = 1.09144827 Euros
Not for much longer. How's that brexit working out for you. Just a jape I actually order all my stuff from uk now because it's so cheap.

This as starting point:
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/KxRNM8
Will use Corsair 650W 80+gold as power and some shitty aerocool cyclops case. Already have storage (ssd 500GB + hdd 1TB).
How bad will i die?

>>62281751
I'm not from the UK. They fucked up so bad with that shit. I don't even think they will come out of the EU at all in the end, because that would be retarded.

>>62281765
What are you going to do with that pc?
I would consider getting a good case, it really makes a difference.
You may as well go up to the Ryzen 1600, or just get the 1400.
Ryzen likes fast RAM. And is picky as to which types of RAM it will play nice with. Getting 2400MHz is limiting.
The 1050 is not a great card for video games.

>>62281765
>https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/KxRNM8
I'm guessing you're on real tight budget? I would still recommend better ram, it's just too good with ryzen. Other than that if you can spare something 1600 would be just better for not much more.

Getting ready for the painting part of my painting for that contest. 14 hours left to paint and submit it. Spent all night tweaking the design. Just laid a soft outline on the canvas with the watercolor pencil. Unfortunately I'm shaking due to coffee and sleep deprivation.

So, are you all still in agreement the Ryzen 1700 is better than the 7700K? Or is there some new data on the table?

>>62275682
XBT is already back up to $4500+ you retard, one day of FUD isn't enough to tank it.
It is ASIC-resistant coins that are being mined, such as Ether, Ubiq, &c.

>>62281765
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/YbybJV
It's just 25€ more and much better. 1050 isn't very good tho.

>>62281942
The facts are, the 7700k is better than any Ryzen for single thread speed, and thus better for straight gayming. The 1600, and by extension the 1700, is better for everything else, including streaming video games.

What are you painting? I'm assuming there's a theme?

what are the best case fans
don't care about noise that much so noctua and all the noctua knockoff/competitors can go back to the trash where they belong
basically as long as they're 120mm and quieter than delta we're good.

I used to think my red led fans were garish (they were much cheaper than other others or w/0 LEDs for some reason) but now that I leave my PC on all night, red was probably the best option

>>62281804
Mostly play videogames. I could go for 3000Mhz at the same cost.
I am considering any hints for a better card, my budget is 600 euros. I know that prices are to the roof because of fucking miners. Performances i would like to obtain are all settings on high, decent fps (who cares about ultra60fps) on 1920x1080...

>>62281856
I will go for a better clock speed pair... From what i can see difference between 1500X and 1600 is really tiny, in terms of performance.

Do you guys have some comparing sites that i may lurk for bettere comparing cpu/vga charts?

>>62282025
Arctic F12 PWM
The coloured wires aren't great but hey, the fan works good and is cheap.

>>62282030
>I know that prices are to the roof because of fucking miners
Not really that true outside usa. At least in my country all cards are around msrp.

>>62282030
>From what i can see difference between 1500X and 1600 is really tiny, in terms of performance.
Only in gaymes that don't use many threads. The 1600 is a much better CPU overall, with 2 more cores and 4 more threads.

>>62282030
A GTX 1060 6GB sounds like the ticket for you. Or an RX580 if you find that for cheaper.
The difference between the 1500X and 1600 isn't really in video games, at least for now. The 1600 has two more cores, so in productivity application, or doing multiple demanding tasks at the same time, it will perform better than a 1500X.

> I could go for 3000Mhz at the same cost.
Do that then.

>>62281989
>single thread speed
>video games

hey man how's the 90s treating you

>>62282080
Incoming Destiny 2 benchmark screenshot to prove Intel's superiority.

>>62282080
Are you le epic trolling or is it that hard to understand? Each thread is faster in a 7700K, and games use 4 to maybe 6 threads at most, making the additionnal cores of a 1600 useless.

>>62282038

I second these, if aesthetics come second these perform really well, especially for the price.

>>62281765
>>62282030
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/n64XQV
611€ with better CPU, 3000 RAM, and a cheap RX 580 which is much better than that 1050. You'll have to order on amazon.de but it's not a problem if you are in the EU (i'm guessing you're Italian?)

If I live in a hot location in a hot room, is my only option to buy parts that run cooler in the first place? Stuff like liquid cooling would just result in more heat being launched into my room, wouldn't it?

>>62282311
unless you put the radiator outside, the heat will stay in the room.

>>62282311
All cooling would. But how hot are we talking? Even the shittiest slums in places that are actually hot have AC unless you live in like India

>>62282311
It's pretty hard to get temps lower than room temperature, and if you do you risk getting moisture on your components if you live in a place that's also pretty humid.
You just gotta deal with high temps.
For example in the summer where I live temps reach 40º Celsius pretty often, so getting my stuff to run below that is basically impossible.

>>62282260
Yes, I'm the funny guy who eats spaghetti and plays a mandolino... You sure about amazon.DE not letting me pay any fee for shipment in another country?
Anyway, thank you very much for the partpicker link, señor

how long do we have to wait for gpu prices to normalize gents ?

>>62277590
7850 was a great card. 4 years is a good amount of mileage ? why not get a 1050ti or rx 560

>>62282397
They are normalized... at 2.5x times their value lol

>>62282426
i feel bad for this anon >>62277590

>>62282038
what's the cfm
i can hardly hear my comp when i have the gpu on 100% fan so the more air the better

>>62282260
That RX is on any EU amazon site but it's not i stock. It says it's available for preorder.

>>62282360
There are no customs to pay for countries within the EU, and no currency conversion costs if both countries use €. The VAT will change from the 19% from Germany to 22% from Italy so the total will be 3% higher in the end. There will be normal shipping costs in some cases (6-9€ usually), you might get away with that if you have amazon prime (the trial is free for the first month). You might have to pay more for shipping if the order isn't shipped directly from amazon, if you want to avoid that pick a motherboard sold and shipped from amazon. You can also use the same amazon account, it will already have all the data of the .it account.

>>62282657
You're right, just noticed that. PCpartpicker was listing it as in stock on amazon.de only. The only alternative in stock around that price is a GTX 1060 3Gb.

>>62282524
You could just google that, but 53CFM.

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what do i do with this
i have one of those seasonic X PSUs that only turn on when it gets hot.

When are they going to release cheaper Vega versions?

>>62283069
2019

>>62281419
This, I've been rocking it on ALC887 since two years ago and just now switched to a Modi 2 and I still don't note any difference. I still use it for my smol speakers.

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Should I buy a used 980 for ~$250 or buy a modern midrange card like a 1060 or 580 if I can find them at their msrp's.

Is this good for gaming and editing?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/brgTLD

>>62283547
>Assrock
Do you need a Threadripper?

>>62283023
thats not what thats for.... why would a psu need power you fucking retard

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Is there an up to date mouse guide or an overwhelming favourite for /g/'s best mouse?

Preferably lower than £70, my g400s is dying.

>>62283568
it says power fan.

>>62283576
It's for a 3-pin Case Fan.

Need help choosing an x370 motherbaord. right now ive got it narrowed down to a few but i cant tell much differnece

ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming
ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Hero
MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon

all 3 brands seem decent. i cant tell a difference though, what do you think?

>>62283592
You don't need X370. Get an Asus B350 or MSI's B350 Gaming Pro Carbon.

>>62283592
I always liked asus's Bios/uefis more than msi's

>>62283589
so basically i need 2 3-pin fans to run full speed all the time, and a splitter to put on SYS_FAN2 so I can actually use Speedfan?

>>62283562
What's wrong with asrock?

>>62283592
oh and the asus RIME X370-PRO

>>62283615
its for a 1700x. Mainly im converned about having more sata ports. im curious what the differences on the motherboards listed are though. plus i find it odd only the x370s have xfire. shame to see it removed from most boards

>>62283632
thats one thing ive heard actually. i suppose the msi bioses arent as well organised?

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I want to OC the 1600X for 144Hz gayming. Gonna stick with my GTX 970 because fuck miners. Hopefully I didn't go overboard with the memory but I want guarantee I hit 3200MHz.

How do I stop being autistic and actually buy a new computer instead of putting it off waiting for some imaginary revolution in technology?

>>62283568
>>62283589
>>62283644
wait what the fuck is this??
do i just need to buy all 80-90cfm fans because none of them aside from the CPU one are PWM? i know the board is 8 years old but wtf? is there anything else i can do besides turning it into a leafblower?

>>62283576
congrats

>>62283589
no

>>62283846
3 pin fans exist bro.

>>62283870
>3 pin fans exist bro.
but are they PWM? apparently even my 4 pin sys_fan header doesn't support it (Reserve).

>>62283575
g502 is quite popular and good mouse, I have one and it's been great with fingertip grip. Be warned though, it's heavy and large so you might want to look at g402 instead. Would be best if you could try them out at a store before buying.

I have the weirdest problem with my new build THE FUCKING CLOCK WONT SYNC its on 7th of september and wrong time too, I have windows 10 64bit not activated

>>62283919
>3 pin fans exist bro.
>but are they PWM
obviously not. how are you going to do pwm on 3 pins?

>>62284000
>how are you going to do pwm on 3 pins?
You can't, which is why I was asking if there is anything I can do to get PWM on more fans than just my CPU.
Does the "Reserve" on that SYS_FAN2 header mean "dead pin"?
Is there absolutely ANYTHING I can do to get some kind of speed management on the case fans instead of have 4 case fans blowing 80CFM 24/7? I thought a spliter/hub might work if SYS_FAN2 was actually PWM, but if it isn't then I don't know. Not trying to be an ass; just curious.

I have to replace the 1 fan on my 212 evo because it's clicking, and I was planning on doing it with a splitter on the CPU header so I have push/pull, but at this point I don't know if that's possible either.

are either vega 56 or 64 actually worth it?

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>when someone points out a flaw in my build after I already bought it

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Thoughts on my (first ever) NAS build? I want it to hold all my media so I can access it from my other PCs and to store some backups on it. I have gigabit ethernet in almost every room so wireless is not important and if I ever needed it (I won't) theres usb.
The case fits 8 drives, I'll probably use most bays later by getting a PCIe->sata card for 4 more ports because I don't wanna spend 400€ more on a professional Asrock mobo with 12 sata ports that then has a Intel Atom in it.
Which OS should I use?
Forgot to mark the PSU as purchased btw, still ahve that from my main itx build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3BVdkT


>>62284058
there are fan control thingies with potientiometers in them for like 5 bucks where you can dial in a speed you like. It won't be automatic or temp sensitive though.

>>62284155
>there are fan control thingies with potientiometers in them for like 5 bucks where you can dial in a speed you like.
link me pls

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/qWgTLD

using psu and case from current build. mobo is for a lot of hard drives. i dont care much about the gpu since im more doing cpu intensive stuff. the cpu is on special right now which is why im going for it and the mobo has too many features to pass up on (10 sata ports, on board wifi, 5 gigabit and gigabit lan). it practically pays for itself vs vuying expansion cards

Me and my friend want to build a budget server to have fun with?

What should I think about when building a server?

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>>62284175
pc

>>62283816
Get a job, then it won't be such a big deal

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>>62284159
Choose your poison, lad. Too lazy to look in engrish but the parts numbers should be the same anyway.

https://www.caseking.de/potentiometer-drehregler-luls-011.html
https://www.caseking.de/lian-li-pt-fn02a-three-fan-speed-controller-geli-268.html
https://www.caseking.de/lian-li-pt-fn01-lueftersteuerung-geli-494.html
https://www.caseking.de/lamptron-cp120-pci-blende-lueftersteuerung-luls-263.html
https://www.caseking.de/lamptron-fc2-fan-controller-5-25-zoll-black-luls-186.html

>>62284196
that wont help at all. making a measly $1000 after taxes ($62k before or so) and it makes it even worse for me. i dont even spend my money either. no expenses either and i have a fair bit banked

>>62284259
>>62284159
woops forgot to link you the one I actually have experience with and was meaning to link you:
https://www.caseking.de/en/zalman-fanmate-ii-new-edition-luls-064.html

Also Noctua will send you a simple 3 pin cable that cuts the power to your fan in half or something like that which makes it even easier.

>>62284308
psu is just a random place holder. using a 750w platinum psu. crosshair vi only has 8 sata ports i believe. i dont think id gain anything from having a 1060.

RX 580 4GB for 285€
or
GTX 1060 3GB for 215€

Will be paired with a Pentium G4560.
The Radeon comes with Quake Champions (30€) which I kind of need, so there is that too.

>>62284519
gtx 1060 6gb

Just did order a asus strix 1080ti

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>>62284541
But the GTX isn't futureproof

Best budget monitor for a gtx 1080?
Dint even know what my options are.

>>62285251
>2 weeks to arrive
wew

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>>62285276
>tfw I live in a remote island nation

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/compare?ocs=210-aiyz,210-adtr
Which of these monitors is a better buy? I already have a Vega 64 so GPU and price isn't an issue.

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>tfw I have everything for my new build other than case and gpu sitting in my room
>stuck doing things on my mostly dead laptop until they arrive

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Bought GPU, PSU and RAM already, also using SSD from my laptop.

I'm not sure about case, mobo and HDD. I don't plan going for SLI or some extreme overclocking (hopefully 3,8/3,9 max on 1600) so I guess there's no point in getting X370 mobo. As for the case I guess it's between NZXT S340 and Fractal Define C, Fractal costs ~10$ more but seems better?

And I have no idea which HDD, which vendor is the least shit these days?

Is there any point in going from a Thinkpad X230 with a Intel i5 3320M to the Athlon X4 950 and then upgrade when Zen 2 comes or will it basically perform the same?

I keep my Thinkpad docked at my desk with an eGPU setup so I might as well just replace it with a desktop, problem is that my budget is tight.

I don't really know if I want to get the Ryzen 3 1200 now because I want to upgrade down the line to at least a 1600 for video/photography editing and music production as well as vidya. I do that on my Thinkpad now with decent results and the Athlon will be at least a little bit better.

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Rate my toaster

>>62285777
>Dual Channel DDR2 @ 312mhz

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>>62285777
I miss my first pc, Brisbane 5200+ HP machine.

>>62285834
The future is now

>>62283575
G502 is awesome

>>62285508
Don't guy shitgate.

>>62283592
Msi, they have better sound cards

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/VXPxwV

Is this ok for a newfag?

He will only use it for gaming and watching animus.

Replace the i7 7700k with the new 8700k.

>>62285949
>250GB SSD 2TB HDD
>gaming and anime
You need to go higher

When are they going to make good cpus instead of adding more cores.
Even the 1600 is as slow as the shitty pentiums for common things like browsing and gaming.

>>62285986
nice bait

I'm planning to get that 960gb SSD from sandisk.

>>62286050
Maybe not the 1600 but lower ryzens struggle to beat the pentium G4560 and other low end i3s.

I'm a total illiterate on hardware, how should I know if all the components are compatible with each other?

>>62285949
>Replace the i7 7700k with the new 8700k.
won't work. The Coffee Lake CPUs are incompatible with 100 and 200 series motherboards

>>62286167
You are dense. Yes, replace mentally the z270 for the z370 or however gets called.

>>62286155
There are tons of guides around.

>>62286155
ask pcpartpicker
match mobo type to case

>>62285986
>When are they going to make good cpus instead of adding more cores
This is the future of both intel and amd. There's no other way.

so are used 2500k's a meme or actually a viable option. they're going for pretty damn cheap on ebay right now with motherboard being also cheap

>>62286220
>he doesn't want a hectocore processor

>>62286285
>hectocore

what is the life hack to get PC parts very cheap?

>>62286300
prefix meaning 100

>>62286310
kill self, hope to reincarnate in a rich family

>>62286312
>100
Still not enough.

>>62286310
settle for mediocrity

>>62286310
work
make moneyz
buy pc
watch streamers instead of playing games

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Do I really need 16GB of memory?
It's also sad that the cpu/mobo/ram part is barely any better than my old i3.

>>62286188
why bother though? Ryzen is better overall. The only thing Intel's current architecture does well, it does via brute force.

>>62286347
>r5 1400

>>62286347
If you want gayman I'd go with 16, otherwise 8 or even 4 would be enough.

Also why buy a new system when it's barely better than the old?

Save up some more and get a 1600 atleast.

>>62286347
Modern systems eat up RAM like crazy, you could go for 8gb but it will always be uncomfortably close to the limit, I'm here with nothing but the browser open and it's at 7.5gb usage.

>>62286435
Then you have shittily set up system, m8.

I have 16gb and only use 2,5.

>>62286362
That's what he will need, he will care about 10 more fps, but he won't care about half the time rendering a video because he won't do such a thing is his life.

Also, I'm building another for another friend with Ryzen because he will edit videos and render and whatever.

>>62286401
>Also why buy a new system when it's barely better than the old?
The GPU was too old (RX 270X) so I thought maybe it was time to replace everything. I already have the GTX and everything seems to work pretty well actually on a old i3 from 2015.

>>62285913
So should I go with Hitachi, WD or Toshiba then?

>>62286488
You really think a CPU from 2015 is just "barely" worse that a CPU from 2017?

What's the cheapest NVMe? It would be used as cache for After Effects and whatever, so 64/128GB would do the job just fine.

>>62286508
It's hard to tell. After looking at some tests, in single core tasks ryzen 5s won't do much better (sometimes even worse) than pentiums g4560 or kaby lake i3s.
And there's not that much difference between kaby lake and haswell cpus.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/78XsTH

Is this PSU enought?

Are there any new Tempered Glass PC cases coming soon? I'm leaning towards downgrading my full tower to a mid tower TG. Meshify C catches my eye at the moment. Any anon who has it can vouch? Aside from the weird mesh texture, it looks like it suits my needs. I wanna know if it's quiet also.

>>62286505
WD or Toshiba.

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>>62285251
>mfw when I paid literally $30 dollars less and I got it next day delivery

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How much would you pay for this?

>>62285251
>buy it again

>>62287155
That SSD is worth more than rest of the system.

>>62286943
Yes.

>>62285251
And people said vega was overpriced.

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>>62287205
>780 dollars is expensive

Aahaha.

>>62287182
Someone is selling the whole thing for the equivalent of 957 USD

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>>62285489
Use an old GPU for the time being.

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>>62287160

>>62287278
sadly I don't have one, I fell for the gaming laptop meme years ago. I do have an old 7800gt but it's at my parents house, and thus just as far away as the one in the mail

I'm building my own Router.
500$ budget.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r43qvV

>>62287598
Does your CPU have Integrated Graphics?

>>62287642
no, i got a 1700 or I wouldnt be drinking alone and shitposting at 4pm on a wednesday

>>62287685
You don't have a local shop you can buy a cheapo GPU from?

>>62287685
I'll give you my old 660 if you'll let me put my dick in your ass

>>62287259
>being a eurocuck

>>62287621
What's your plan on input/output?

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>>62287621