/pcbg/ PC Building General

>>62264021
>Used Xeon
Which ones?

>>62264096
ALL OF THEM

>>62264096
MOAR CORES
GET BIG

About to purchase most of the items needed for my first pc build tonight. I might wait while still thinking over 1070 vs 1080. I am extremely excited.

>>62264125
>1080 or 1070
What kind of games will you be playing and what kind of monitor do you want to use? Resolution, hz

>>62264125

What's your target usage?

>GTX 1070 or Vega 56 - 1080p@130hz /1440p@60hz at high
>GTX 1080 - 1080p@144hz / 1440p@60hz maxed, 4k@60hz in a few games; Probably the highest end card you need for 1080p/1440p

pretty much sums it up

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>G4560 - poverty-tier builds
>Out of stock on Amazon, costs $150 on Newegg
Fuck off already and replace it with the AM4 Bristol Ridge APUs

>>62264144
Don't think I will be using it for 4k yet, might just go with the 107p and upgrade later if I want to

>>62264140
probably just 1080p

>>62264149
Not without reviews.

>>62264144
What games is that based on? Have yet to play a game my r9 390 does not do "1440p@60hz at high".

>>62264158
1070 is a solid choice. Go for it and you can enjoy maxing out any game at 1080p
1080 isn't much more powerful to be honest, 1070 is the ultimate value choice

>>62264158
>probably just 1080p
A 1070 will be just fine for that, unless you plan on changing monitor before a year or something.

>>62264175
The reviews doesn't matter, it's just a placeholder CPU until you can replace it with something better. Why would you want to spend more money now just to get a mediocre CPU and have to replace half your rig when you want to upgrade it instead of getting a cheaper CPU now that's servicable and that you can replace with any new CPU that's going to be released by AMD within the next 3-4 years?

What's considered multitasking on the R7 description in the OP? I like to watch King of the Hill, YouTube videos, Vlogs, browse /g/ while playing games. Will I benefit from the R7?

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Recently bought a z170 board and 7700k and want to get a new case as well. My old one only has 2 front usb 3.0 and the two 2.0 ports there are busted. Anyone got any good recs for a case that isn't flashy, but has nice features like usb 3.1? I hate see through/glass panels and am shit at cable management. Plus the led lights on my ram, heatsink, and gpu don't match colors anyway.

Should I go with a 1060 6gb or the RX580 for my budget 1080p gaming machine?

>>62264301
Not really. The 1600 should handle that no problem.
It's more if you're streaming and recording while playing a game, for instance.

>>62264309

Open testbench.

For real though you can get a USB hub routed from the back of your case and mount it to the bottom of your desk,if you don't want to buy another case

>>62264324
Either, they're pretty closely matched. The 1060 uses a bit less power and runs a bit cooler, so if they're the same price go for 1060 6GB.

>>62264324

Whichever you can find cheaper. Performance is pretty much the same, but the rx480/580 are always out of stock or overpriced because of miners.

>>62264217
>excavator in 2017
kill yourself

>>62264348
>recommending 212 evo
into the trash it goes.

Building a pc for a friend but it's been a while since i researched for parts.
Other than browsing the web, all he does is photoshop so i assume a decent cpu with an ok integrated gpu would be enough for him.
Are intel integrated gpus good? or should i go for amd?
My options are: a6 7400k, a8 7650k, g4400 or g4560.
Budget should be around 110$ for a cpu.

>>62264392
>thinks most people need to waste their money on an 80 dollar fucking fan

>>62264392
it's a fine cooler for the price

>>62264419
tell him to wait for raven ridge

>>62264482
He needs it as fast as possible, probably buying it today.
He's also a tech illiterate so i doubt he'd be willing to wait for that AND there's also the fact that we both live in a third world country so those are pretty much my final options for a cpu.

>>62264096
5650 overclocked on gayming mobo

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this is my pc
i think my mobo have static issues (audio from mobo have noises, from monitor no)
also pls cyberbully me on why my pc is fucking shit

>>62264689
It's not that terrible besides the shitty i3, pop an i7 in there and you should be fine. Get an external DAC/audio interface and you won't care about mobo audio anyway

>>62264689
>dual core
What year is it again

>>62264208
>>62264213
Ok thanks. I will save the extra money I would have spent on a 1080 for later.

>>62264715
wont there be a future issue? i dont want to die watching trap hentai
>>62264717
i dont play high end games anyway, yes, i question why i bought rx480 myself. i mostly do most of my work from lappy too.

>>62264731
i3 is fucking shit man why are your torturing yourself?
R3 1200 costs less and is way better.
The mobos are at $50 for AMD.
What is the issue?

>>62264731
If you're not experience crashes or anything like that I wouldn't worry about it. Motherboard audio is just shitty sometimes.

Time to start making purchases

>>62264753
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TzywBP

>>62264745
i bought it a year ago ;..;

>>62264753
yep looking good.

>>62264767
Ok you are a dumb faggot for buying that only a year ago. I hope you at least got a good price...

1700x is on special $400aud delivered. not sure if i should go for it or not

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>>62264781
it...it wasnt black friday or anything, bought at full price

>>62264792
Well that's just crap, you deserve to be bullied.

>>62264792
It's fine

Is Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-650FX 650W 80+ Gold ATX12V & EPS12V Full Modular 120mm FDB Fan Compact 140mm Size Power Supply

A decent power supply for >>62264765

>>62264826
Yes.

>>62264834
Cheers, thanks.

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>>62264792

>>62264374
Good argument, you've made me realize buying a G4560 for $150 with a shit upgrade path is a better alternative

sry to bother everyone but im not american
>9.6" x 9.6"
pls convert them to english, its a mobo WxL

>>62264419
Need a last opinion on this since purchase time is approaching.
Please respond

>>62264872
use google you fucking idiot

>>62264872
go away

>>62264893
whats the unit, i looked up american unit and i dont know what the fuck im seeing
is '' = inch or feet?

>>62264906
Try both and see which one looks like the size of a motherboard. Are you actually retarded?

>>62264864
it costs $80

>MUH UPGRADE PATH!!!!
literally the only argument amd shills have. people buy g4560 for light shit like watching movies, browsing internet or playing the same old game for 10 years. they don't give a fuck about upgrade paths because they don't need a better cpu, that's why they picked a fucking pentium in the first place.
come back to shilling after it gets reviewed.

>>62264935
(You)

>>62264392
>He doesn't want it because it's being recommended heavily
Wow, how contrarian. You're so cool.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147373

This was averaging $40 higher a month ago, jump in if you need a big SSD

Zotac mini 6gb 1060

Anyone have this? Whats your experience with the heat generation?

Was originally looking at the gigabyte version but there doesn't appear to be stock anywhere

>>62264392
>shitting on the best entry-level cooler available

>>62265030
Shit, might need to grab that instead of the 250g WD I was going to get

>>62265030
That's a good price.

>$900 worth of items in my amazon cart before a GPU
shieeeet

>>62265101
dump some of that RGB shit

have gpu prices gone up yet?

>>62265026
>>62265037
it's good at idle but stays cool under full load only by being loud as fuck. also it's a pain in the ass to install. be quiet! PURE ROCK or Cryorig H7 are much better alternatives and they're barely more expensive.
it's not 2011 anymore and better coolers have came out.

>>62264935
Good luck finding it for $80, and why the fuck would someone spend $80 for doing the stuff you described when a $50 CPU handles it just as well? The G4560 got popular because of the gaming performance, not the shit you described.

>>62265134
212 EVO can often be found as low as $20, and rarely over $25 (after mail-in rebate, admittedly)
H7 and Pure Rock hover relentlessly above $30, usually more like $35

They're better coolers than the EVO, I agree, but you are paying for it

How far can I realistically overclock my 1700x? I'm currently running it at 3.9Ghz and 1.35V.

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FUCKING NOVIDEO KIKES
MY FREESYNC MONITOR WON'T WORK WITH THEM
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>62264324
If you can get them at the same price, the 580 is slightly faster on average(but uses more power).

>>62265264
you can probably push for 4.0GHz at around 1.45 volts
but if you're stable where you're at, I'd keep it there

>>62265264
That sounds about right. You can try 4, or 4.1 if you're lucky, but you won't get any higher than that.

>>62265110
??

>>62264689
>Spending fucking 1.5x as much on RAM as your CPU
This hurts. You really don't know what you're doing, do you?

>>62265264
they actually oc like shit compared to oldschool cpus

>>62264689
Holy FUCK, $215 for 16gb and it's only 2133mhz?? That's some next level rip off there

>>62265308
>>62265350
Thanks, I'll keep it at that then I think. I don't really want to go over the maximum recommended 1.35V.

>>62265424
Okay

>>62265443
Canada.

>>62265463
Oh so it's $50

>>62265030
duuuuuude

>>62264765
Looks great. That high wattage psu allows for a video card upgrade down the line if you ever want high frame rate 1440p. Enjoy your new pc, anon, the 1070 is such a nice card.

whats the best (CPU, mobo, case) combo??
>dota2
>programming
>dual monitor (4k and 1080p)

>>62265539
>case

>>62265489
Thanks, I will be pulling the trigger on it later today.

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r8

>>62265628
>not 3200MHz RAM

>>62265628
Cougar Evolution is actually a really nice-looking case, but why the fuck does it have SIX 5.25 slots instead of more 3.5/2.5 slots

>>62265628
see>>62265648

>>62265628
get g.skill 3200 ram

i'm thingken of getting a new GPU before north korea nukes south korea and drives up the prices of memory

what's better value for money? 1070 or 1060?

i don't mind spending an extra 100 euros if it means i can squeeze an extra year out of the GPU's lifecycle or something

my CPU is an i5 2500k which i will probably overclock a bit soon

fuck bitcoin miners in the ass btw

>>62265628
might as well just get the 3200 RAM

>>62265628
8/10 pretty good but could do with a 1070 or 1080

>>62265674
best value for money is 1080

>>62265680
>>62265664
>>62265648
Is there even any practical difference between 3000 and 3200? I got the 3000 because it was particularly cheap.

>>62265701
3000 will downclock to 2933 on Ryzen mobos

>>62265701
Not really. Thing is, you can't expect your RAM to necessarily work at advertised speeds.

>Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz 4 91W (180) $322.88
>AMD Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8 95W (17) $299.99
If coffee lake 6c/12 will cost $400 then it won't be worth it desu

>>62265701
3000 is fine, but whatever you pick, get something on this list
https://www.amd.com/system/files/2017-06/am4-motherboard-memory-support-list-en_0.pdf

>>62265693
i don't feel comfortable owning 800 euros worth of video game technologoy

>>62265767
What about 800€ worth of neural network training and cryptomining technology?

g4560 + rx580 master race reporting

best beeld prove me wrong

>>62265797
If you said 1200 maybe

>>62265794
i don't even consider my entire human existence as being worth than maybe 500 euros

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How's me build?

Can't decide whether or not to fork out for an r5 1600 or not, considering OCd 1200 performance.
For now, just gaming and light photo editing on a 1080p 60hz monitor. May or may not upgrade to 4k in the distant future, though

>>62265815
Just use the stock cooler.

>>62265814
That's stupid. Most of your organs are technically worth more than that.

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>>62265797

>>62265815
Stock cooler, 3000 or 3200MHz ram, Samsung 850 EVO SSD for the same price, and a PSU that's not a CX.
Post your fucking pcpartpicker link and not a picture.

>>62265826
Won't it be noisy/hot? I plan to crank the OC as high as possible

>>62265832
wait that's it

i'll sell my kidneys to buy a few good bitcoin miners and then flip the same cards on ebay in a few years, then buy myself 4 kidneys

>>62265832
That just means the net worth of his existence is actually negative, since if he were to cease to exist, his organs would sell for more.

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>>62265861

>>62265815
>me build
Get better ram.

>>62265852
Only chose that ssd/psu in particular coz I can get them very cheap discounted from a local store. What's wrong with CX?

>>62265860
Well go for it then, but as high as possible is 4.0 or 3.9, and with the stock cooler you can get 3.7, so the difference won't be huge.

I have a laptop which has USB 2.0 but I added USB 3.0 with an express card slot. How is it possible that a laptop can be modified so easily to work with a superior technology? I don't get it but I'm glad it works.
USB 3.0 works ridiculously fast, even on this shitty i5-520m laptop from 2010.

>>62265815
Get the 1600 and use stock cooler. It's much better in both gayming and photo editing.

>>62265878
Ok for the SSD.
You know what, I checked, and the CX650 is on a different platform from the older CX series and is apparently not trash. So go with that if you have a great price.

>>62265924
data transfer is data transfer

>>62264348
what the fuck, here where i live evo 212 is between 50 and 60 usd.
And yes, 3rd world country

When will shitters stop buying all the amd cards. This will never end at this rate.
AMD and retailers are fucking retarded too for not boosting production and limiting the number of cards you can buy per physical address.

>>62266026
>AMD and retailers are fucking retarded too for not boosting production

i'm guessing there's no real reason to go through the trouble of increasing production capabilities considering crypto mining is a passing meme. better to just drive up the prices a bit and make some extra dosh until the demand inevitably dies down soon

I think I have an older i3 inside a ddr3 board, I wanna upgrade the board, should I upgrade the chip as well or will it not matter much as long as it's the same chipset?

I have a 750 Ti right now, and trying to find a decent video card on the used market. Considering just about anything that's better by a good amount, and preferably more than 2GB VRAM.
What's a good card to look for that's consistently cheap?

How long will my 4460 from 2015 last me before I should definitely upgrade? This is my build from 2015 w/ recently upgraded video card
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mnk47h

>>62266045
>better to just drive up the prices a bit and make some extra dosh
they're not increasing msrp, it's the retailers who make extra. in fact amd fucking hates that shit and if anything it has the potential to lose them a ton of money.

>>62266026
>AMD and retailers are fucking retarded too for not boosting production
Now that would lose them a shit ton of money. Doubling your production is not only really expensive, but it takes a ton of time, so if the bubble burst by the time the cards come onto market then they lost everything. That, and you can't just build more factories for 6 months then stop using them.

www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AB350M%20Pro4/index.asp#Memory

Can someone tell me what the 'Hynix-M' means, next to CMD32GX4M4B3000C15? I'm assuming it has something to do with the manufacturing of the ram, but the Amazon page for that particular ram doesn't specify anything about it

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>>62264419 here, build finished, any opinions?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VWMqvV

>>62266046
Why would you "upgrade the board" while keeping the same chipset? What are you trying to achieve?

>>62266048
970

>>62266048
a 1050 ti runs pretty cheap, 4 GB GDDR5

>>62266087
Hynix are the ones making the actual chip. And yeah it's usually not specified by the retailers, or even the manufacturer.

>>62266115
Oh, okay. So every module with that serial number has a hynix chip. I thought maybe it was possible to have the same module but different chip. I'm stupid

>>62266177
In some cases it's true. Some vendors have ram kits with the same name but different chips. Usually the serial number will be different though.

>>62266098
The board used ddr3 ram and has some suspected bad slots

>>62266092
Don't touch the old FM2 processors. AMD recently launched the new Bristol Ridge APUs
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2PywBP

>>62266045
>until the demand inevitably dies down soon
How soon is soon™?

>>62266240
Unfortunately, as i said in a post, we live in a third world country so we don't have those yet and i doubt we'll get them anytime soon.
He's also on a hurry to get his pc.
It's a bummer but that cpu should be more than enough for him.

>>62265815

>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tRpqvV

Fuck it, I'll spend the extra for the 1600. Only other difference is the ram. With this build, the only thing I'll have to upgrade in the future for 4k gayming is the gpu.

>>62266257
Until it's not profitable to buy new/used cards anymore
Meaning not in the near future

>>62266298
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7nTdkT
You really don't need that cooler, i can OC my R7 1700 to 3.8 GHz with the stock one which is the same as the R5 1600 one minus the RGB. That CX PSU is the new version so it's decent.

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Pulled this from an old motherboard, what do I look for to identify the exact make? I don't see any numbers except the ones on the bottom, and they don't help

>>62266419
you put it back in and check the device manager

Zotac mini 6gb 1060

Anyone have this? Whats your experience with the heat generation and general performance? Any over clocking?

Was originally looking at the gigabyte version but there doesn't appear to be stock anywhere

>>62266419
>>62266456
Nevermind, got it. Apparently it only supports boards that use ddr3 ram. I think I have some extra but do I have any options beyond just selling it and buying a cpu that'll use ddr4?

>>62266504
Jesus fuck why do ddr3 boards go for 300 bucks? Just for legacy shit or am I missing something?

>>62266532
CPUs tend to outlast their motherboards, so when people want to keep using their old CPU after the manufacturers stop making compatible motherboards, the price goes up.

>>62266643
its like gl finding a 990 chipset motherboard. prices are nuts

>>62266643
My chip only seems for 50 but for a copy of my board it's 150, at some point sale or repair both become pointless but I can't bring myself to throw away computer parts. On one hand, nobody wants legacy stuff, on the other, there's no point fixing it. Fuck.

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Th-thanks Zotac. What a great bundle.

>>62266844
Ayy

>>62266333
So, soon™, not soon

How safe is it to buy a used graphics card? Someone on craigslist just listed a gtx 970 for only 150$. Description says only lightly used for gaming and that he's selling it since he upgraded his pc. Thoughts?

>>62266844
But what about the card?
Also, ordered exact same a few hours ago.

>>62267042
The card looks fine, I haven't assembled the PC yet.

>>62267031
Not worth it. It's a high price for such an old card. Now if it was 980 it would be worth considering.

>>62267073
Am I still better off getting the 1050Ti then? It's also around 150$ and what I was going to get

>>62267123
They're about the same so I'd rather get 1050 Ti. if that's your budget limit but try to bump it to 1060 6gb if you can get the money. 980 is around 1060 level and Ti is 1070 if you want to look at used cards.

>>62267073
>>62267123

Wtf a 970 will beat a 1050ti. 970 is only slightly slower than a 1060

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>>62264021
My boyfriend's computer broke yesterday, his whole system is overdue an upgrade and he's only going to keep the GPU (960 2GB) for the moment.

The budget is 900€ (We're in Portugal), so I know prices may vary - add 100 to the total price or so I guess.

If we carry over the GPU and HDD, is this system looking good?
He just wants to play videogames at high fps (but now on ultra). I think a Ryzen 5 1500X would be good if he just wants to get 100fps in BF1 on low.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YyqKjc

Any recommendations or suggestions? I will assemble it for him.

>>62267438
But not on ultra*
Damn typos.

>>62267438
at least bump the RAM to 3000mhz, raisin likes fast ram

ssd > hdd

that's gonna be one shit case

>>62266092
Get faster RAM if possible
And 2 sticks for dual channel

I was on here yesterday looking for suggestions and updated my list. I still want to know if there are any improvements I can make, even with my updated list with the flexible budget of 2k.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2H7kNN

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/g/ I don't know much about how PCs actuallt work, but...


If I want to play Paradox games like Stellaris, Hearts of Iron or CK with great performance in the pate game (or even the midgame sometimes), do I need to throw money at the CPU or at RAM?

>>62267438
I used the spanish PCPP to get a rough idea.
https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/JMys2R
It only lists 2 spanish sites, but you should be able to get something similar from portuguese sites I'm sure.

>>62267564
Maybe the case, maybe a more powerful PSU for future upgrades. But really there's nothing wrong with your choices.

>>62267655
paradox games are heavily cpu bound
you could probably run them fast even on intel integrated graphics

>>62267690
Ah thanks, I'll totally check that out.

>>62267753
So what would be an example of a great, a good, and an ok cpu for them?

>almost 200 ram models in mb and cpu qvl
>make simple python script to find matches
>only 27 left
>out of those only 2 are in local store
I didn't expect Ryzen to be that finicky.

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Any suggestions?
Especially since Im shit at monitors, what should I look out for in that department?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G9XCxY

>>62267655
Strategy games are heavy on cpu so depending on what you have now you could be looking into new build.

>>62268066
What's your budget and what do you want to do with that pc?

Seagate isn't actually that bad.

>>62267847
7700k, ryzen 1500x, ryzen 1200

>>62268115
I have been using a 1TB seagate for about 6 years now and it never gave me any problems, there was that really bad 3TB model with extremely high failure rates which kinda ruined the whole brand's image.

>>62268095
Cheaper the better, but I do a good amount of streaming several times a week.. I also emulate lots of games with Dolphin, video editing in Vegas and general rendering 3d stuff with photoshop among a few other applications.

My budget is ideally below 1300, but Im already pushing the limit which is why I was seeing how I could optimize things considering I still havent chosen a monitor.

I figured I could cheap out slightly on a GPU since running games at max isnt something I aim for especially while im streaming, its just a nice bonus

>>62268066
>>62268155
You don't really need a 750W PSU for that kind build unless noise is a major concern. A 500W would be more than sufficient.

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>>62268229
Thanks, that definitely helps

Are mail-in-rebates a meme? Do they actually work or do they take like 3 months to process so you can save $10?

>>62268155
You did not to cheap out on RAM and CPU, which is a good thing for your usage. A 1060 should be able to run anything at 1080p60 if you don't ming lowering settings, so it makes sense especially given the prices at the moment.
Do you actually need an X370 motherboard though? I don't see anything in your usage that requires more than a B350. You could save $50 there.
And as the other anon said, a good 500-550W PSU will be enough, unless you plan on getting a 1080 Ti in the future or something. This one https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fZyFf7 is good and cheap.
You could save a little on the cooler with an H7, but it's not much.

>>62268424
They do work, but they take a while to process and are a hassle to apply for. The companies bank on a very small part of people actually using the rebates, and among those a few won't send in all the correct info, so they lose almost nothing by offering the rebates.

>>62268437
Ill definitely switch up my mobo then, that sounds about right. I was just trying to find something compatible with the ram and cpu without thinking too hard. I definitely dont plan on upgrading my GPU any time soon.

Thanks for the suggestions, seriously.

>>62268424
They work. Yes, they take 3 months

at least

>>62268451
>>62268474
thanks, that's what I figured. guess I won't bother waiting for one then

>>62266954
Duke nukem forever soon, but not hl3 soon

>>62268493
You don't wait for rebates. Just don't factor it into the price/budget, then you forget about it and it's a nice surprise in a few months

>>62268703
I was thinking of waiting another few days to see if Newegg puts a rebate on the Seasonic M12II like they do all the time, but at the risk of another item going off sale and losing $15 there. Don't think waiting for that is worth it

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Opinions on my first build? Also thanks to everyone that helped me yesterday. Also I just wanna run 4k and 1440 at good fps that it doesn't lag or anything of the sort. Will this achieve it?

>>62268861

Blue drives are designed for reliability aren't they? Are you fine with a slower drive?

>>62269028
>Blue drives are designed for reliability aren't they?
No, they're designed for budget.

>>62269028

He has an ssd, hard drive is probably for mass media storage anyways. He probably won't notice the difference between a 7200 rpm drive

>>62268066

Other than what this nigger said >>62268229

Drop the x370 board and get a b350, your paying more for features you'll probably never use.

Also you're running a 1060, get a nice 1080p 60hz ips monitor. You could get a 1080p144hz monitor or 1440p60hz monitor, but you won't be able to fully utilize either without dropping settings.

Why can't AMD fucking manufacture more 56s

>>62269378
memory shortage

If I can get a 1700 and 1700x for the same price, I should get the 1700x for the higher binned silicon and chance of 3.9/4.0ghz right? Or is the free air cooler worth it in case my aio fails?

>>62269447
I always like to get the better silicon of a processor model.

Good gaymen build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PTGs2R

Maybe this would be more appropriate for /sqt/ but I'll try here anyway.

I recently tore down an old pc because I wanted to use the car for a different build.

Should I bother keeping the parts from the old one? Everything is about 8-10 years old and while I'm sure I can use some of it, I probably won't.

Is anything worth donating or trying to sell? Its all pretty mod level stuff even for it's time.

>>62269378
They're manufacturing a normal amount, miners are buying them all though

>>62269447
If you're getting an aftermarket cooler anyway, get the X.

>>62269548
Nobody thinks you're funny with those le epic meme builds. Don't post that shit.

>>62269583
Mid**

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about ready to go, boys

>>62269726
get faster ram
and an ethernet cable

Any recommendations for budget cases?

Not especially after anything special. Front USB3, enough space to not worry about things not fitting (or any general issues with shitty design making things awkward to fit), metal which won't slice up my arms or deform.

>>62264021
>no mention of the Athlon x4 950
this general is lagging

>>62269726

Powersupply is a bit overkill for your build, but I guess it leaves you room to upgrade. Have fun dude.

When does the bang:buck fall off with Ram speeds for Ryzen? 3000?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kwxDLD
can g rate my build ?
i play paradox games and f2p games mostly my current fx 8320 with r9 280x cant break 10 fps on eu4 and hoi4, wont even bother trying open world cause i feel like it cant break 30 also ps3 emulation

>>62269811
just about yeah, it depends on what deals are available at what moment
keep in mind that a kit advertised at 3200 doesn't mean you'll be able to run it at 3200

>>62269813
>ps3 emulation
That exists? I remember that being "unfeasible" a few years ago.
Will I finally be able to play MGS4?

>>62269868
rpcs3 my fx 8320 cant break 8 fps its heart breaking

>>62269813
You don't need X370, and you probably don't need an aftermarket cooler.

>>62269868
>Will I finally be able to play MGS4?
Not yet. Nor Last of Us or Red Dead Redemption. They're working on it.

I hope I'll be able to play Breath of the Wild on Cemu with my new build myself, but I don't have high hopes since I only got a Ryzen 1200.

>>62264021
>/Threadripper - Compute/Multitask/VM/mixed use, not for just gaming

Has anyone gotten threadripper to work with vga passthrough? KVM is known not working for the moment, but seen no report of Xen yet.

>>62269904
i heard something about x370 is made for ryzen just like 270 for kaby lake, i can go for b350 tomahawk its cheaper too but i feel like its missing feature

>>62269961
B350 is made for Ryzen. A320 too. But A320 doesn't allow OC.
What features do you "feel" are missing? Because there's no feels involved, either you need the features of an X370 or you don't.

>>62269961
>i heard something about x370 is made for ryzen just like 270 for kaby lake, i can go for b350 tomahawk its cheaper too but i feel like its missing feature
It is, the difference is that you can overclock with b350 and so there's generally very little reason to pay the extra for x370 unless you're planning to SLI/Crossfire or otherwise actually need the extra I/O.

>>62269999
SLI is exclusive to X370, but most B350 boards support crossfire.

>>62269993
>>62269999
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f3KCxY
i change 1060 to 1050ti my monitor is 1366x768 can i run games above can i run witcher 3 at 60fps or should i just stick with 1060 ?

>>62270127
*above 60 fps fuck me im tired

>>62270127
>1366x768
jeez, get a 1080p monitor, it's the best upgrade you can do

>>62269999
most B350 have no LLC control, some have no SoC voltage control.

>Tomahawk has both
>Pro4 has neither/fatality prob the same
>Gigabyte Gaming 3 has no LLC, SoC by offset.
I don't know about asus, haven't messed with one yet.

>>62270163
if i dont have the hardware for 1080 gaming whats the point my dude

>>62270127
Buy a new monitor.

>>62270202
Both the 1060 and 1050ti are perfectly fine for 1080p, that's a resolution that became mainstream like 5 years ago and even my GTX 460 runs most games fine with it.
It's really the best thing you can upgrade right now.

>>62270244
my monitor is fine trust me

>>62270279
It's really not.

>>62270271
ah thats a relief thanks

>>62270299
i have this monitor for close to 10 years, the only problem i have is when the vga cable move sometimes the color turns purple-ish i can fix that with resetting my cable, other than that it does the job fine

>>62270336
get a good fucking monitor before thinking about buying a new pc

>>62270336
Getting a new monitor is the kind of upgrade you don't realize you wanted until you actually get one, I used to have a 1280x1024 CRT for the longest time and getting a 1080p monitor was like getting glasses after a lifetime of myopia.

hey guys r8 my monitor

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004SAR998?_encoding=UTF8&%2AVersion%2A=1&%2Aentries%2A=0&showDetailTechData=1#technical-data

>>62270368
>>62270381
you guys are weird with this monitor thing, my monitor is fine, and theres no problem with it, doesnt hinder my daily usage gaming and browsing but my pc spec does and thats what i need, i doubt theres that much different between 768 and 1080

>>62270463
768 is fine if you can't get better res but 1080p does make a difference. What makes the most difference in my opinion is the refresh rate, even going for 75hz for a while makes going back to 60hz absolute garbage.

>>62270463
BUY A NEW MONITORRR

>>62270463
>i doubt theres that much different between 768 and 1080
Consider the fact that everyone else seems to disagree with you.

>>62270177
would you say tomahawk is the best B350 board?
i can't fucking decide

>>62270244
>>62270299
>>62270368
why the fuck would i get a new monitor when this one works fine? what is with you guys?

>>62270606
resolution and refresh rate has a big difference on the overall experience of playing the games. I recently switched from the same 768 resolution to a 1080p recent (because new laptop) and the difference is night and day. Keep your old monitor for like web browsers and discord and shit and get a 1080P monitor for gaming. Graphics cards have multiple outputs to support multiple monitors

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>>62270606
?

>>62270528
shits expensive yo

Anyone here ever used a Dell Ultrasharp 2007fpb? I found one, but I'm not sure I like it. The pressing issue is the surface on the screen seems really thick, so much so, if I look from the side/below I can see a sort of gap due to the material. There's this effect of the screen image being embedded a bit from the physical surface. It leads to a bit of a glow and it's just weird floaty look to things. I've never seen it on another monitor/tv before. Anyone have an idea what it is (maybe a really thick antiglare)? Can it be removed?

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Hello, I'm planning on building a PC primarily for gaming but also able to run multiple programs at once. Money isn't much of an object for me so I don't mind switching out some of the parts. I'm planning to upgrade in the future as well. Is this a good enough build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CxFwBP

Also, in the compatibility notes, it states I need to get a separately available mounting adapter. Where would I go about buying one?

>>62270745
no it isn't. it's like $80-100 for a basic 60Hz monitor.
More if you want Freesync (for AMD graphics cards), and so much more you have to sell your firstborn son into a child sex ring to afford a G-Sync monitor for nvidia graphics cards

>>62270707
>using inspect elements to alter (you)s
why

>>62270602
tomahawk is the best for oc
gamin3 3 has the best audio

>>62270764
>Where would I go about buying one?
From Noctua.

Do you actually need an X370?
Do you actually need an NVMe SSD?

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I'm planing a build for a 144hz 1080 monitor.

later down the line I want to upgrade to a 1440 monitor (or a 4k). I also want a lot of processing power for strategy games. Would it be smart then to save money on the GPU and then spend that saved money on the cpu and get something like a 7700k?


Also, if I went with that processor, what would be a god gpu for maxing out 1080p? I was thinking of getting a 1070 and upgrade cpu later, but since I want to save some money maybe an Rx 580 would be better?

>>62270841
I'm planning on getting another GPU and go SLI, but for now I'm sticking with the one.

Truth be told though, I could definitely go for a 250GB or so SSD instead of a 500GB one.

>>62270848
I wouldn't recommend a 7700K to anyone unless you're building a furnace to see you through winter

>>62270888
does ryzen have heat problem ?

>>62270872
SLI is dead and buried even by Nvidia so how much you're getting out of the second card is gonna be really spotty.

>>62270914
It shouldn't, FX didn't have a heat problem imho.

>>62270914
Nope. Much lower TDP.
Another big difference is that Intel uses thermal paste between the CPU die and the heat spreader, whereas AMD solders the heat spreader to the die/dies on Ryzen chips. Solder has much better heat transfer than paste

>>62270872
I wasn't talking about the size, but the interface. M.2 supports normal SATA and also PCIe (for NVMe SSDs). The additional performance of NVMe is useless for traditional use, and only useful for specific productivity applications.
That being said if the prices are similar you might as well go NVMe, but you can usually save some money by going with the normal SSD.
SLI is a bad meme.

>>62270848
>a lot of processing power for strategy games.
Are there any games that would actually benefit from a top of the line CPU? I'm sure any modern processor can run any strategy game.

>>62270914
They use solder instead of shitty TIM, so no. The only time soldered CPUs have heat problems is when you do something silly like FX-9xxx series.

>>62270929
can i overclock ryzen 5 with stock cooler ?

>>62270943
>I'm sure any modern processor can run any strategy game.
play Cities Skylines for a while on a potato, then come back before making retarded statements

>>62270940
>>62270949
ah thats cool, so i dont have to buy aftermarket for my 1600x then

>>62270951
Yes, although safely "only" to ~3.7GHz. The max you'll see is 4.0 anyway, no matter what cooler you use.

>>62270951
It should be able to handle whatever your chip can do at stock volts.

>>62270951
Yes. The stock coolers can handle a moderate overclock to 3.7/3.8 Ghz

>>62270961
>potato
Yeah I'm talking about modern processors. A Pentium isn't modern, nor is an A-10.

>>62270969
The 1600X doesn't come with a cooler. Get the 1600.

>>62270969
yes you did. The 1600X doesn't come with a stock cooler. The 1600X, 1700X, and 1800X don't come with coolers

>>62270785
gigabyte is trash and there is little to no difference in real world performance of onboard audio.
asus prime b350 has better VRMs

>>62270995
The Pentium G4560/G4600/G4620 are just discounted i3's. They're thoroughly modern

APUs will have to wait until Raven Ridge launched to be considered modern

>>62270995
thats so fucking weird i guess amd understand if you can get the X series you have money to buy aftermarket

>>62264112
C'MONNNNN

>be me, "hardcore gamefag"
>change gaming PCs every 4 years
>had quite a bit more money to spend on this new build
>bought a pair of 1080s for SLI, 32 GB ram because I'm not a ramlet, an octa core Intel Xeon E5-2687W and 512GB Intel 545s SSD
>Have the beast built
>Find out it doesn't perform any better than a 4yo build

3 times the price of a high end gaming PC for no performance improvement. Did the silicon industry go to shit?

>>62270995
>Yeah I'm talking about modern processors. A Pentium isn't modern, nor is an A-10.
A fucking Kirin 970 is modern. Whether a CPU is "modern" or not is determined by when it was designed, not how powerful it is.

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>>62270929
>FX didn't have a heat problem

>>62271055
were you dropped on the head as a kid ?

>>62270943
Okay, then if not an X370 should I go for a B350 from MSI?

You also have a point with the NVMe SSD so I'll replace it with a SATA.

>>62271069
Exactly.

>>62271079
Not him but I was and only problems I had/have is with talking,words tend to fumble and it took me two years as a kid to start talking basic words.
People still think im retarded.

>>62271079
I'm probably going to ask you the exact same thing. Or are you just envious? Anyways your comment is quite unfounded.
Let's see... The Xeon has a base frequency of 3.5 Ghz, the same frequency of an I7-3770k, but it also has 8 cores so it's double the processing power. The GTX 1080 performs so much better than a GTX 660 Ti and there's 2 of them. RAM is twice what my old build had, and the SSD is faster and larger compared to what I have. Basically it's a gaming PC with everything turned up to 11.

>>62271192
https://www.autismspeaks.org/

>>62271239
>not knowing that the processor meta is more cores, not higher frequency
Hey grandpa, how did you even manage to connect to the internet?

>>62271290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf5GlbRkRys

>>62271239
That isn't a group for help. That's a group that things autism is a problem to be fixed. There's videos of them sying they want to murder their own autistic kids right in front of said kids.

is 1060 3gb worth it ?

>>62271341
Not really, unless you get a really good deal on one.

>>62271341
no

>>62271341
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYb7FYfIc2g
draw conclusions

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>picking up my ryzen at the post office today
>guy hands me the package
>the box is open
>i ask him why its been opened
>he shrugs and says it wierd
>bring it home
>everything seems to be in order, no damage, tons of those air bag things in the package

no sign of tape being ripped open from the box, the cardboard is clean, did the shipping department at the retailer really not bother taping and closing my package?

i hope it works

>>62271381
Customs?

>>62271381
The package was open, but not the CPU's box, right? It still had the AMD tape on it?

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I bought an ASUS mobo B350 plus and some G.Skill Trident Z 3200MHz CAS14

I failed to make the memory run at full speed, seems like 2800MHz is stable.

Did I fucked up ? i'm pretty pissed X(

>>62271437
Did you set the clock speed in the bios

>>62271437
2800 is not that bad. Try increasing the timings.

>>62271055
>SLI
Stopped reading right there

>>62271426
no just regular post package

>>62271434
i dont think the package has ever been closed, you know when you rip off tape off cardboard, some of it comes off too, the cardboard is 100% clean

the ryzen box is the correct one (1600) and it still has the tape on the actual box, its unbroken

>>62271381
are you muslim? probably a random bomb check

>>62271447
>>62271456
by default, it was 2133MHz
If I set the DOCP profile that was autoinstalled, to 3200Mhz, the pc tends to shutdown by itself.

not sure what other variable I can tweak to make it work at full speed

I need a name for my new PC.

>>62268079
Is this for real? I'm building a box for a friend who gaymes occasionally and so I was going to put less emphasis on the processor and then I read this shit. He fucking *loves* starcraft and shit.

How big a gap you are we talking?

I plan on putting together a cheap pc build ofr my cousin soon, its his first desktop but i need to keep it on the cheap because i have to also get him a desk and monitor. I've been looking at the bristol ridge apus? are they any good? Ive seen the anthalon x4 for am4 socket paired with a 750ti

>>62271537
whats in it

>>62271472
Well, he did specify an octa core xeon there. I think it has enough processing power to keep up with 2 1080s in SLI

>>62271537
faggotry

>>62271527
>by default, it was 2133MHz
yeah that's normal

>>62271483
>still has the tape on the actual box, its unbroken
I wouldn't worry too much then. It IS weird, but maybe it was a work experience guy who didn't know what he was doing that forgot the tape.

>>62271548
starcraft is not a demanding game.

>>62271537
Faggot

>>62265134
Yeah I definitely agree with the fact that it becomes a jet turbine at load, but it still cools well and doesn't cost much more than a stock cooler would.

>>62271437
>>62271527
Google "DDR4 training on AM4", check the first link.

>>62271527
Have you tried to just set the speed and not use any profiles

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>>62271537
I just call it whatever the CPU is.

>>62271613
Wow, you must be fun at parties

>>62271613
It has a Ryzen 5 so I will call it Arizen.

I'm so smart.

>>62271586
or maybe the machine just ran out of they forgot to tape it idk

it has zero (0) signs of being ripped open because as mentioned there is not even any sign of tape being on the cardboard box, so it's clearly the retailer that fucked up, not the shipping company

they put in tons of those small air thingys in the box, im just wondering how they forgot to tape it. The ryzen box itself has zero damage, zero scratches, zero dents, the tape is still on it, so i hope we good

>>62271586
I'm aware anything in the last ten years will play starcraft just fine.

I meant the other games in this genre. It's not my genre, I don't know what it's called.

>>62271527be able to tig
update bios then use xmp and manually set ram speed to 2933. if its c15 or c16, prob the best that it will do, might be able to tighten timings. c14 which is B die, is the only confirmed 3000< ram to work ootb

>>62271613
>tfw you use names like PC-Computer because hijacked two wifi networks and I dont to make the owners suspicious when they look at DHCP client list

So, is it worth waiting for Coffee Lake if all I do is playing games?
I really wanted that sweet 1700 with the stock cooler, but I don't see any benefit for me if I just shitpost, play games and maybe do some of these multi threading shit, but an i5 8700k would do just fine, I guess.

I also have currently an i5-4460 and a 1060 6GB with a 1440@144 monitor, so I'll also get the next Gwen's GPU and sell this one.

is two SSDs in RAID-0 worth it?

>>62271677
RTS, real time strategy. Like Starcraft and shit.
The games the other guy was talking about are simulations, like Sim City. They're barely video games.

>>62265115
They've been through the fucking roof for a couple months now. Do you mean down?

>>62265276
Dumb frogposter.

>>62271604
allright, gonna do all this
>>62271682
I updated the bios first thing yes ;)

>>62271722
Post pics of Gwen

>>62271725
I won't make your boot or applications snappier, but if you're video editing on it or transferring large files, it helps, but you don't need it, spending the money on a 500gb to 1tb SSS is what you want, more reliable.

>>62271769
I think he mean up, there was meant to be an increase in ram prices, that would also affect gpus

>>62270929
>FX didn't have a heat problem
Maybe not to the point of needing to delid your fucking CPU, but come on now

>>62271784
Woops. I'm at work phoneposting. Me too thanks.

It's 1400$.
It's for gaming.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/h7dpTH

>>62272921

If it's for gaming, i'd drop the R7 and get an R5 1600, then use the extra $100 and put it towards getting a 1070 or used 980ti. You'll get more performance this way, and can even make the jump to 1440p if you wanted to.

>>62272921
you can get a 1700x for $5 more right now but you would need to get your own cooler

>>62272965
I'm sorry but I'm a Ryzen shill and I like hardware that respects my free as in freedoms.

>>62272965
>>62272981
But yeah I could get a 1600 and get a nice monitor or something.

>>62272981

*AMD

but whatever floats your boat dude, at least try and see if you can snipe a vega card.

>>62273058
>vega
>in 2017
Maybe 2019.

But thanks for the suggestion on the 1600, I guess I don't need a 1700. I'll get a nice monitor or something.

is asus gonna launch the vega gpu's any time soon?

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I'll touch someone's peter for a $250 580

>>62273120
Buy a Danish one.

>>62272981
>I like hardware that respects my free as in freedoms
Ryzen user here, kys yourself

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>>62272981
So you don't have any storage whatsoever since those have backdoors built into them?

>>62273129
They're the same price

>>62267438

1500x is a waste, get the 1600

>>62273196
Swedish, not Danish.
https://www.webhallen.com/dk-da/computerkomponenter/271774-gigabyte_radeon_rx_580_8gb_gaming&atcl=external:ref

How does an old i3 4160 compare to a G4560?
Shouldn't be that much slower right?
CPU perfs don't seem to have progressed much since Haswell when I look at the tests. Even the new Ryzens are barely better than oldass haswells for everyday tasks.

>>62273253
Yea, I figured that out. They're still around $300

were the gigabyte gaming 5s blowing up processors or was that a rumor

>>62273253
They don't ship out of their non-country.

>>62273337
idk if your gonna spend around 1k on a gaming pc i'd say 50$ is a pretty good premium on a usually out of stock card

>>62273362
Not doing a full build and I don't even need to upgrade, really. I just want one to run Quake Champions maxed

One of my sata ports is disabled. What's the easiest way of finding out which one it is?

>>62273439
Whaddya mean "disabled"

>>62273439
Load Optimized Defaults.

>>62273454
Ty

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Hi /g/, I know shit about computers and I got this by checking around so please no bully too hard.
My budget is 750€ and since I'm already above it due to shipping costs I can't "just buy this slightly more expensive but better part".

Is this good for the money I have? I can't get a SSD because I'd rather have bigger memory so I'm out of money for that.
I've heard Ryzen is a russion roulette meme, should I just get an i5 instead?
Thanks in advance.

>>62273560
What are you using it for?

>>62273560
>I've heard Ryzen is a russion roulette meme, should I just get an i5 instead?
where the fuck did you here that? And no. Ryzen is just picky about ram.

As to your build:
>get a B350 motherboard. Fuck the A320 boards
>get 2666 mhz or higher ram. Makes a huge difference. Also, 2 4GB sticks is better than 1 8GB stick
>PSU is overkill wattage-wise. Try for a 500-550W PSU with black cables.

Looks alright otherwise. The 1400 is decent, and you can upgrade to a 1600 or Zen2 later

>>62273606
Hoping to just play newer videogames at mid settings or low even as long they have stable framerate and PS, that's it I think.

>>62273645
Read about that in a thread here while looking for the general. Thanks for the info anyway.

>>62273656
Here.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZLTvM8

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>>62273684
>1050ti