/hpg/ Headphone General

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Alright, here's the deal: it's almost the end of 2017 and I've been using strictly only wireless Bluetooth headphones for the couple last years, simply out of principle and to gather all the needed first-hand experience on this entire "wired VS wireless" debacle. So, after using strictly only wireless headphones on a daily basis for almost two-and-a-half years, I can definitely without any doubt openly state that the "always wired only" and "only highly expensive portable players/no smartphone pleb-tier" pseudo-audiophilic FAGGOTS are completely and absolutely FULL OF SHIT. I won't argue with anyone here that wireless headphones in general and wireless sound technologies in overall were utter garbage just 5-or-so years ago, but nowadays it's NOWHERE even remotely close to being as bad as it was in 2012 and further down the line. Everything (literally EVERY THING) these so-called self-proclaimed pseudo-audiophilic kiddie shithead trolls are openly and absolutely brainlessly proclaiming loudly everywhere about MODERN wireless sound technologies being any "bad" or "not on par with wired" is 100% COMPLETE BULLSHIT. Abso-effing-lute LIE. These retarded deaf kiddies clearly never used any modern wireless headphones that cost more than 50$ (and actually good/worthwhile wireless headphones start from the 120$ mark AT THE VERY LEAST) and/or they never tried Apt-X LL or ESPECIALLY the GODLIKE LDAC. These FAGS basically don't know jack about any of this, but they act like they're the hottest and most knowledgeable shits around the block while in reality they're not hot, but just shit. MODERN wireless sound IS actually VERY good and does NOT lose to wired at all by the sheer quality of sound and latency (if it's apt-X LL or LDAC), WHILE being WAAAY more convenient and comfortable to use due to headphones being completely (WELL, DUH!) wireless. Fuck all those pseudo-audiophilic pseudo-elitistic sudo-entitled "pro-wired" scrubshits, I say. They know fucking NOTHING.

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>What ~50$ range wireless headphones would /g/ recommend?
Unfortunately, there are almost no actually decent/good models in that price range. The closest one you can get to be of a "somewhat decent sound quality" is Rombica's "MySound BH-10 2C" model, but they have extremely crappy Bluetooth range and they usually tend to bug out and turn off even if slightest electromagnetic interference is nearby (like, for example, when you're in a convenience store and standing near a commercial fridge). Also note that they are literally "Chinkshit Wireless"-tier of headphones. If you never ever had a pair of wireless Bluetooth headphones before and you wish to get ACTUALLY worthwhile device from the first attempt - you'd have to spend AT LEAST 120$ and these will be MEElectronics' "Air-Fi Matrix 3" model and NO OTHER. This is the EXACT very point where actual wireless GOOD quality starts.

>Have they also opened it up for non-Sony headphones or do I need a Sony wireless?
That we don't know yet, as there are simply no massive amount of Android 8-based smartphones on the market so far, but I personally highly doubt that this will be Sony-only when it becomes mainstream, simply due to default LDAC implementation in all Android 8 devices making no logical sense in the case if Sony decides to not license this to other wireless headphone manufacturers. They've already licensed this to Android 8, so why the hell will they restrict it only to their wireless headphones now? That will be an asshole move and will undoubtedly garner a lot of critique on Sony's ass. I don't think that Sony's THAT stupid as to not provide other wireless headphone manufacturers with a LDAC license. And even if (and that's a very big IF) they actually in all seriousness restrict LDAC usage only to their wireless devices, this still at least leaves us an option to not use a Sony smartphone for it if we wouldn't want to, so there's at least that.

>>62269683
>i-it only too me 3 years to come to this conclusion
baka yaro

Poorfag here, is the HD569 a decent pair of headphones for listening on the go?

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>Name one worthwhile wireless headphone that isn't shit-tier or overpriced for what it sounds
Plantronics BackBeat Pro 2 SE (monitor, closed, neutral, 200~250$)
MEElectronics AirFi Matrix 3 (monitor, half-open, neutral-to-bright, price-wise this very start of the actual good quality in wireless headphones so this is as low as you should go if you're planning on using LDAC/Apt-X LL, 120~140$)
Marshall Monitor Bluetooth (monitor, closed, V-shape, medium price, 150~180$)
Master & Dynamic MW60 (monitor, closed, V-shape, high price yet not ineptly overpriced, 420~600$)
Bang & Olufsen H9 (monitor, closed, neutral, mid-to-high price, 250~300$)
Sony MDR-1000X (monitor, closed, warm-to-neutral, mid-to-high price, best ANC, 280~350$)
Onkyo W800BT (IEM, closed, neutral, mid price, 150~200$)
JVC HA-S90BN (monitor, closed, V-shape, mid price, 120~150$)

All of these currently available headphones are absolutely worthwhile wireless solutions. The most expensive one in that list is Master & Dynamic MW60 and even it is not really overpriced (usually sells for 600$, but can be found for as cheap as ~420$ at some places during sale-off days).

P.S.
Answering the question that was made in the previous thread: "open" structure is not actually common in the wireless segment, at least when it comes down to monitor headphones, but if anything - you could always try MEElectronics' AirFi Matrix 3, they're partially open. Also please don't ever lump "closed" design and "bad" together all the time, because this is simply not true. All of the closed monitor headphones mentioned above are absolutely top-notch pieces of hardware and sound very good for their respective pricing segments (Master & Dynamic MW60 having the best materials and sounding phenomenally even in artificially created bad conditions, but it's sound curve, which is very clearly V-shaped, is definitely not necessarily for everyone. I personally prefer absolutely neutral sound).

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https://canpicker.com/

Any changes I need to make? I'll start gathering pro/con info for an infographic style display.

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>>62269683
>>62269700
>>62269769
>stacking lossy codecs by reproducing lossy audio files/lossy streaming audio through lossy bluetooth codecs
>having such a tiny lossless collection it can fit on your phone
You are objectively wrong. Wireless are shit.

>>62269782
Looks good anon!
You should add a search feature.

>>62269719
I simply didn't use any wireless before that, and during the two-and-half-years period of using only wireless I was trying many different models while recording all the experience. I didn't waste no time simply because now I've accumulated enough personal experience to say that pro-wire cuckolds are absolutely inept idiots.

>>62269810
Wow, your wirecuck ass had so massively buttblasted that I can see the bright flash even from the other side of the planet, lol. Cry summoar, I guess.

>>62269782
>>62269827
Oh, also a Wired / Wireless thing. And OEM / Full Sized.

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>>62269782
>no Beyersremorse
You are a patrician of the highest order, anon.

>>62269865
Fuck you, I like my Custom Studios.

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>>62269769
>spending hundreds on shitty placebos when you could be enjoying the same sound and convenience for $13 + EQ
baka desu senpai

>>62269810
>lossy codecs
Apt-X LL is 0.8 times more of a bitrate than Apt-X HD which has 384 kbps.
LDAC is up to 990 kbps while 24 bit, you moron.

>lossy audio files
FLAC, Redbook, raw WAV. No mp3 on my devices.

>tiny lossless collection it can fit on your phone
256GB ROM + 256GB via microSDXC. Keep ripping your ass apart, I guess.

>>62269683
>>62269700
>>62269769
https://warosu.org/g/thread/S62256617#p62261228 This is a reminder that this anon is a lying shitposter who claims to own an Orpheus and an SR-009 but has not posted a pic+timestamp.

>>62269921
My EQ'd $13 wireless buds sound better than his retarded placebophile memecans, BT or otherwise. Once a retarded placebophile, always a retarded placebophile.

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>>62269898
Oh look, it's this uneducated inexperienced shitposting retard again...what joy.

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>>62269917
>his lossless collection is only 512 GB
>he can't even record videos or take pictures of his phone because he has 512 GB of music on it instead

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>>62269953
>this much buyers remorse

>>62269960
>take pictures of his phone
ON his phone. FTFM.

>>62269921
Kiddie, just because I'm not falling for your "post titties" le memeys, doesn't mean I don't own a thing. But keep telling yourself otherwise, I guess.

Why is the m70x frowned upon? Or is it? Measurements look great

>>62269960
Actually it's roughly ~280GB of music as of right now. Everything else is used for other purposes (like emulation, for example).

>>62269898
honestly, I think these earphones are the closest you can get to sticking actual nipple dicks in your ears. they look like a micro penis on each side

why would you buy this

>>62269971
I don't use nor own Beyer, you're addressing wrong person.

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>Master & Dynamic MW60

Can anyone comment on this?

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>>62270024
Those are etymotics. Anyways, it's the natural conclusion of what the butthurt bluetoothfag is saying.
>>62270032
>reading comprehension

>>62270036
They're not EQ'd $13 Bluetooth earbuds so therefore they are shit and placebo memes.

>>62270048
I mean it straight up looks like a ballsack with a tiny penis

>>62270036
Best materials and sound quality for the wireless V-shaped headphones on the worldwide market at this current time. The pads are also on magnets, detachable super-easily and insanely comfy (made of actual lamb/sheep leather). Also surprisingly light considering they're on very solid and thick steel frame.

>>62270048
>reading comprehension
Clearly you're unable to.

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>>62270076
If you don't like the style, these here also cost the same and you'll get the exact same quality as anon's fictional orpheuses if you EQ.
>>62270099
>hurrrrrrrrrrr

>$150
>Mother Russia
>Phone/laptop
>IEM
>closed
>?
>?
>The ones that came with Note 3 (Liked them)

>>62270113
why would I buy bluetooth anything though

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>>62270007
Looks V-shaped, thus shit. On a side note, while rtings still uses a shitty retard melanin-enriched target curve, I applaud them for making raw measurements available.

>>62270146
Because like butthurt bluetoothfag said, BT is the future! The past was $3 Walmart earbuds, now we have $13 AliExpress BT earbuds.

>>62269988
Nah this is 4chan pic or GTFO.

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>>62270182
>wirecuck
>even though I only recommend quality Bluetooth earbuds which aren't overpriced shit like his
So mad. Do your shitty Onkyos have a HD Subwoofer? I thought not.

>>62270197
>Literally same shit

>>62269782
Where are the Fidelio X2?

>>62270208
Onkyo is Bluetooth 4.1, you imbecile.

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>>62270243
>no HD subwoofer
Kek, thought so. Literally can't compete.

Look at these beaut's /hpg/. With a tiny bit of work, they'll sound better than STAX SR-009 and Orpheuses. All for a measly $14! Can't say no to that.

>>62270238

They're currently unavailable in the US except used. The replacement version isn't available yet for whatever reason so I'm excluding it until it is.

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>>62269898
>>62269940
>>62270064
>>62270113
>>62270167
>>62270208
>>62270264

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Wow! A single dollar? Sure, you only get one earpiece but it's just one buck for one of these babies. Two bucks + EQ for a system that trashes orpheuses? God damn that's a good deal, isn't it?

>>62270329
Nah, I'm just trying to help anons save some cash by recommending superior and cheaper alternatives to the placebo filled recommendations of the butthurt bluetoothfag. I'm here to save your wallet from his lies.

>>62270329
That's pretty accurate, actually.

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>>62270407

whoever handles shipping at audeze is memeing hard right now
this is the second time i've ordered from them and they've fucked up both times

>>62270537
What did you order?

>>62270456
\|/ATC \|/RO|\|r, ,II,>|<OH?

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

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>>62269782
>Any changes I need to make?
Like, adding wireless and THEN filling it up with at least 20+ models. Also needs search by ANC/no ANC, by case/no case included, by wireless codecs supported (A2DP, Apt-X, Apt-X HD, Apt-X LL, LDAC, etc), by driver type (magnetic/electrostatic, armature and etc), by removable/non-removable pads, and finally by manufacturer/country of production.

>>62270816
Wireless HD600s

>>62270558
first time was the carbon fiber headband which they sent to someone with a similar name on the east coast
this time they sent leather instead of vegan earpads

>>62270884
Jesus Christ audeze, get your shit together. I hope I'll never have to deal with them about my LCD-2s.

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>>62270877
what the fuck, they exist

>>62270907
Not gonna lie, those look lit as FUCK. Holy shit would buy. Got a link?

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>>62270816
HD650>HD600.

Anyone have experience buying from fleetsound.com?

>>62270936
they're rare, one sold yesterday for $126 though
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pre-owned-Sennheiser-HDI-850-good-condition-/232473313238?hash=item36207d3fd6%3Ag%3Aa2AAAOSw1LRZqds3&nma=true&si=su%252BlIVsRlulTtelWYMA12koaURs%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

>>62270899
i'm tempted to order lcd-2s from them hoping they'll send me lcd-4s instead
but their support is pretty good, they always respond within an hour

>>62270877
>>62270907
>>62270936
>>62271090
They're not "Wireless HD600", they're called HDIS850.

>>62271090
>tfw missed out
Fuck me

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>>62270989

>>62270161
Wow uh thanks anon. My data looks nothing like that. I really want to hear some of the other new audiotechnica headphones. Msr7, r70x, m40x all look nice. Might even buy an msr7 to take to class or something.
Is there really a professional use for the m70x sound? Why do most "studio" headphones measure so far from nuetral?

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>mfw the HE400i FR is almost exactly the same as the HD600 except with lumps in the mids and a treble spike
Further confirming that the 400i is simply an HD600 for contrarians.

>>62271950
HE400i is simply an HD600 that's $50 cheaper with better sub bass, worse mids, spikier treble, better soundstage, better comfort and worse QC.

>>62272029
>better sub-bass
Not according to the graph I posted which reflects the latest no-backplate model.
>better comfort
It squishes the top of your ears which not only fucks up your HRTF but is also highly uncomfortable if you're sensitive to that (I'm not).

>Budget
$125, flexible
>Location
USA
>Source
Desktop computer
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Not complete garbage
>Sound signature
Don't care much
>Past headphones
Corsair Vengence 2100 - used these for about 3 years, they finally broke.

>Needs
A good microphone that doesn't pick up loud background noise (going to use these mostly in a PC Bang. need to communicate with my gaymer friends clearly).

Ideally noise cancelling.
Wireless is a small plus, but not required.
Volume adjustment buttons/knob/etc are a big plus.

>>62269724
no

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>>62272088
rtings measurements show a bit of a driver mismatch with the 400i in the bass region. Probably a function of their QC issues. My 400i's definitely reach lower than my HD600s.

>>62272291
If we take the higher measurement, the difference is 2dB at 30hz, which is really inconsequential. I'd suggest you try playing a sine wave at 1000hz, volume matching, then comparing a 35hz sine wave.

I need some really cheap in-ear headphones since my apple ones died.
what should I buy?
mic + volume control working on apple devices would be preferred

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>>62265938
to the anon asking what Audio-GD model it is, it is a brand new NFB-11.28

I'm currently looking at
-Sennheiser HD 559
-AKG K702
-Beyder DT990

which ones you would recommend for general use? Or something else in or below this price range?

>>62273279
hd600s

>>62273279
HD579

>>62273279
>>62273379
>hd600
that's like 2x the price, can't do it
>>62273447
still a bit expensive but acceptable. What about HD598? It's like 10 bongbucks more. are they better because higher number?

I'm looking for an amp for when my hd6xx arrives,
is the jds labs el amp good?
What things should i look for?

>>62269628
could someone rec me some bluetooth iem to use around campus. looking to spend around $100 or so. wired options also welcomed.

Daily reminder that all you need for perfect audio experience is $3 IEMs and EqualizerAPO + PeaceGUI.
Anything more is for retarded audiophools who love falling for snake's oil scams.

I haven't posted here in quite some time. I also haven't been keeping up with headphones for the last 4 years, since Iv'e been happy with my AKG K240 mkii's and Sennheiser hd 439's.

Anyways, I come to you with a dilemma. I need a pair of headphones that I can use at work. People walk by my desk all the time and I can hear conversations from down the hall, and its driving me insane. I'm looking for something that is over-ear, closed, leather pads, MAXIMUM sound isolation, and minimal sound leakage. I'm looking to spend at MOST $100.

Would the Audiotechnica ATH-M40X be a good choice, or is there something better in terms of comfort and sound isolation?

No, I can't use IEM's. I have HFA and I highly dislike the feeling of shit in my ear.

>>62273786
>I'm looking to spend at MOST $100
you're asking for too much for how little you want to spend

Just got some HD 569s to replace my M50x, holy shit LMAO they sound slightly better and are MUCH MUCH more comfortable. Amazing how people even buy m50x when they fit so terribly.

>>62269628
could someone rec me some bluetooth iem to use around campus. i would appreciate light weight and a good battery life. looking to spend around $100 or so

>>62273871
Yeah I realize that neither sound isolation or leakage is going to be perfect. For the most part I just want to drown out the things that go on around me. I'm also a faggot that listens to gay shit, so I'd also like to keep my tastes personal.

I just wanted to know if the M40X would be good enough for this. I have other faggot shit I would like to spend my money on.

>>62274028
>M40X would be good enough for this
good enough is subjective. it would do all the things you want but maybe not to the level you expect it to. again, you're still spending $100 which is the poorfag territory and expecting to get sound isolation AND fidelity

>>62274102
Fidelity is second to sanity in this case, I don't usually listen to music at work.

Now that the audeze vegan pads are gone which pads are best to use with the m1060?

>>62273279
hd579
>>62273566
hd579 is better and newer than hd598

what's the best neutral in ear headphone around 80 USD?

I'm taking a look at the Etymotic MC5 right now, but they appear to lack bass and treble.

>>62273279
HD600 > HD579 > HD598se/sr > HD558

Avoid: HD559 (nerfed 558), HD598Cs (bad closed headphone)

>>62273566
HD599 is an improved HD598 with better bass extension and more refined treble.
HD579 is basically near-identical FR to HD599, but way cheaper and slightly (according to reviewers) better.

>Budget
$200
>Location
United States
>Source
Desktop
>Type of headphone
Full Sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Long sessions, 10+ hours.
>Sound signature

>Past headphones
Sennheiser GAME ONE

I'm not sure if it's because I don't have an amp or it's because I only use my onboard soundcard (Realtek), but they sound pretty poor in-game. I was looking at getting Logitech G633's or SteelSeries Arctis 7. Would either of these be better than my current pair, or do I just need something to improve them?

>>62273884
>slightly better
Only slightly? :X

I actually mean 60 USD here >>62274562
And no HifiMan RE400 because I heard they are very fragile.

>>62274683
At that budget, HD569 easily.
>long hours on closed
You sure you need closed? Unless you're going to annoy people 2-3 steps from you, you should go open, in which case you can afford the HD579.

best headphone that money can buy?

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waiting for this to arrive at my door in the next hours

>>62274716
Neither of these have microphones which I forgot to mention. That said I was looking into a stand-mic anyways.

Are both of these headphones fine even with onboard? I'm not too sure if that's even a factor in these cases.

>>62274777
>no mic
Intentional. Value for the money is terrible the moment the headphones do bundle a mic. See OP link for some solutions.
Personally prefer/recommend using some USB desktop mic. There's some good ones starting at $25 or so.

>>62274777
>Are both of these headphones fine even with onboard?
Yes, neither need an amp, although both benefit from it.
Many motherboards these days do have a headphone amp. What's your board?

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>>62274727
>>62273279

>>62274764
I had them for about a year. Stock pads are shit. They sound clean as fuck though bass light and bright. My go to recommendation for cheap 'gaymin' headphones as the soundstage is very wide and imaging is great.

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>>62274727
Probably this if you're stupid enough to buy it. Or if you just have fuck you money.

>>62274641
looks like I'll go for HD558 at my budget
thx all

>>62269628
this thread looks full of trolls and I know you guys are strictly against IEM's but what do you think about these
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01A7G35S0/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_ol_4n0Rzb7Y1FHQA
or these
>https://www.amazon.com/PUNNADA-HA-FXZ200-E-HA-FXZ200-In-Ear-Headphone/dp/B009UPT570

>>62274990
>and I know you guys are strictly against IEM's
This isn't even remotely true. That being said, get Etymotic MK5.

>>62274990
>spending more than $50 on IEMs
Don't fall for this meme. Just get ZS5s.

>>62274990
>I know you guys are strictly against IEM's
I don't know where you got that silly idea.
Things /hpg/ likes:
Sennheiser, Etymotic, neutrality, comfortable open-backed full-sized headphones, IEMs for portable use
Things /hpg/ doesn't like:
Beyerdynamic, ear-raping treble, melanin-enriched bass, on-ear headphones, wireless headphones

>>62274727
HD600, obviously.

Not sure if this is the right thread, but how are
>FiiO E10K DAC
and
>AGPTEK Rocker
for DAC/ portable player?

>>62275029
Wrong.
>things /hpg/ likes
Equalized $3 Walmart earbuds to sound like HD800s, Equalized $13 Bluetooth AliExpress earbuds to sound like HD800s
>things /hpg/ doesn't like
Shitty snapheisers, shitty ear rape beyers, niggerbass, anything more than what I can afford

>>62274799
Any suggestions? I was just thinking of getting the Yeti mic's that most streamers have out of convenience that they sound good and most seem to be durable / last long.
>>62274810
MSI Z87-G45

>>62274990
Fuck both of those, get GR07 Classic/Bass Edition with detachable cables.
>>62275040
How portable we talking? DAP/Phone portable or Laptop portable?

>>62275000
will a single driver hold up to some of the multi driver iems?

>>62275024
These things look nuts! but after watching this guys review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ntfgh9_Tmg
I'm not too sure about the 2 extra drivers being stuck behind the rest of the earphone.

I've been getting JVC marshmallows since I learned about them, and tried a pair of monoprices once which I realized put out a MUCH more broad sound. They broke (shitty cloth cable) and now I'm back to my old marshmallows, which now sound tiny and are missing a lot of the mid range freqs.

>>62275098
I meant these as 2 separate categories. A DAC for my desktop, where I don't care about size, and a music player to carry around

>>62275081
>mic suggestions
Check plebbit, r/letsplay wiki.
>MSI Z87-G45
Has ALC1150, which has a headphone amplifier. You'll be fine.

>>62275101
Multi drivers is a meme anyways, BAs are shitty inferior technology which needs multiple units to match a single regular dynamic driver. Multi BA was made to cash in on retarded audiophools. That being said, while KZ has been shady as shit, the ZS5 do sound good and are favorably reviewed in regards to sound.

>>62275115
>A DAC for my desktop
Fulla2 should work fine til you need more power, then you get a Magni2 to amp and Fulla2 will be your dac.
>AGPTEK Rocker
Should work fine as a DAP

>>62275120
The Blue Snowflake is fairly reasonable for it's price and sounds good. I'll consider that.
>headphone amplifier
Didn't even know that. Thanks.

>>62275169
>Schiit fulla
these don't seem to be available in bongistan. What about that FiiO I mentioned?

>>62275101
>will a single driver hold up to some of the multi driver iems?
Etymotics are more accurate than any other brand, any other technology. Etymotic ER-4SR is the single best sounding IEM at any price and MK5 is virtually identical in frequency response to it.

>>62275265
>bongistan
http://schiit.com/faq/international

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https://youtu.be/wSosN493JVY

What's everyone listening to this fine evening?

>>62275278
Yeah thx but I'm not going to pay 20-30 $ for shipping and possibly deal with import taxes when I can just buy something locally

>>62269782
Cool! Will you be adding more headphone options in the future? Also, FR or at least general signatures would be nice.

>>62275375
No distributor in your economic area?

>>62275140
this is the most retarded thing I've read all day. BA designs sound clean and clear when designed properly. they offer flatter frequency response and much better impulse response, phase, and lower distortion than dynamic drivers for IEMs. The idea by using multiple different drivers and a crossover is to make up for the increase in IMD when larger frequency bands are used and to make up for the lack of bass a single driver has (which knowles make a specific bass BA driver for that offers much cleaner bass than any dynamic can).

>>62275329
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJO2biod2_Q

>>62275403
>BA designs sound clean and clear when designed properly.
Literally anything does.
>they offer flatter frequency response and much better impulse response, phase, and lower distortion than dynamic drivers for IEMs.
This is fucking wrong and retarded. BAs compensate for their crap distortion, crap impedance curves, crap phase curves and crap inherent nonlinearity through AMD/Intel's "HURRDURR ADD MOAR COARZ" strategy. As in "HURRDURR ADD MOAR DRIVERS".

The only reason BAs exist is to milk retarded audiophiles out of their cash. It's a shit inferior technology, and even six or seven drivers can, at best, match a single well designed dynamic driver. Well designed dynamic driver headphones have inaudible distortion, there is literally no way to have audibly less distortion. Even ultra high end BA IEMs like the Shure SE846 offer worse THD performance than a cheap $50 RE-400.

BA is a retarded audiophool meme. Get over it.

>>62275469
this spoke to me. Sound is a single line that drives your earphone. It is impossible to have multiple drivers represent a single line without interrupting each other during crossover. I'm going to think long and hard about this while looking for my next pair of inner earphones

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Can anyone recommend a DAC/AMP?

Currently have some Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO headphones I got recently. I had a Fulla Schiit DAC/AMP but I think I'd prefer something less portable as it would just hang from my desktop.

Pic unrelated but useful.

>>62275469
So basically you ignored everything I said and made your own shit tier arguments because you had one bad experience with a cheaply made BA iem. Got it.

Fiio E17 and Magni 2 a good combo? I've got an E17 at the moment and am looking for an amp to power headphones

>>62272517
400i bass has more oomph with both headphones matched to 85db at 1000hz

>>62275625
You ignored everything I said and dismissed it without evaluating facts or measurements.
I'm going to make this easy for you. Find me a multi-BA IEM that satisfies the following:
1. doesn't have a pants on head retarded impedance curve
2. doesn't have a pants on head retarded phase curve
3. has less THD+noise than the Hifiman RE-400.

You do that, your argument has merit. Just one example. These were YOUR claims, by the way. I'm now asking you to substantiate them.

>>62275679
http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/etymotic-er4xr-and-er4sr-measurement.2689/

Wow that was so fucking hard.

>>62274727
A good set of speaker in a good room will always sounds better.

>>62275679
Here's the re-400 for comparison

https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/hifiman-re-400-waterline-and-re-600-songbird-dynamic-ear-monitors-measurements

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>>62275742
No. Did you even read the requirements? Fails all three you fucking retard.

Guys stop replying to the trip fag he doesn't even know how a voice coil works

>>62275766
you see the fucking 8% odd order distortion spikes on the re-400 right? And the complete fucking treble roll-off? And the fact that the impedence curve only looks flatter on the re-400 because it has no treble in the first place?

Oh wait, you're retarded so you didn't.

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>>62275766
never trust a tripfag

>>62275800
Those spikes are artifacts of Tyll's rig you complete fucking tard.
>There are two spikes at 200Hz and 2kHz in THD in all plots, this is an artifact of the tester changing ranges at those frequencies. These can be ignored.

The impedance curve is flatter because it's not a fucking retarded BA driver you absolute fucking mong.

>>62275469
>crap distortion
it's typically lower
>crap inherent non linearity
they are linear within a given frequency band, and then there's resonances to deal with. When a proper crossover is used the resonance isn't a factor
>crap phase curves
again the crossover prevents this
>crap impedence curves
not really relevant, even phone jacks drive them fine

both designs have their merits but there's a good reason balanced armature is used exclusively in the high end IEM/CIEM market. with a proper crossover they offer benefits over a standard dynamic driver design.

Also, they're very important, if not moreso in professional audio monitoring and hearing aid applications where flat response is ideal. the same reason they bleed into the high end headphone market.

>>62275841
>Huuurrr it's an artifact
>HUUURRR ITS CUZ BA

fucking drop dead sperg. You haven't listened to anything nice as far as is so your opinion is irrelevant. Go be wrong somewhere else, retard.

>>62269628
>TH-X00 ebony ready for pickup tomorrow
i just hope the wood survived the potentially bad conditions of the warehouse and truck.

thank god it was chilly recently, but fuck there was also a shit ton of rain so there's that too.

Anyone else order the TH-X00 recently? Does it come sealed in a plastic bag?

Is it possible to damage my headphones by setting an unsuitable mode? I tried to set my PS4 to output 5.1 Dolby over optical and it apparently wasn't liked by my DAC and made a terrible sound that hurt my ears for a couple of seconds before I could switch it back.

>>62273114
FUCK paypal.

When is something like this going to go on somewhere more legitimate and reasonable?

>>62275928
You've lost the argument and are obviously not interested in further discussion so we'll leave it at that.

>>62275889
>it's typically lower
Find me a single multi-BA IEM with lower distortion than the RE-400. You can't. Well designed multi-BA and well designed dynamic drivers can both be audibly transparent in regards to distortion. Distortion is not a reason to use BAs.
>crossovers
This is the sort of overwrought shit that's needed to mitigate the inherent shittiness of BA drivers. A single dynamic driver can do everything multiple BA drivers can do with crossover and other such band-aids applied.

>both designs have their merits
This is a cop out answer. Perhaps some engineers find it easier to manipulate FR with BA drivers. I don't know or care, all that I know is that BA drivers do not present any benefit over a well designed dynamic driver when measured. If an IEM has good FR and good distortion, then it's good, regardless of tech inside. And given that BAs are usually far more expensive to achieve the same performance of a single driver dynamic, I can safely say they're overpriced shit used to exploit retards.

>>62276021
>HUURRRR I WON THE ARGUMENT

no you didn't. You made a shitpost, got BTFOd by measurements and continued to shitpost. Typical asshat strategy.

>>62275391

Yeah, I'm notably missing Koss, AKG, and Grado ATM.

>>62274727
HD600

>>62270010
your phone sounds legit anon, what kind is it?

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How do I deal with waiting for HD6xx

So how do the headphones that have one wire work, anyways? Is the information just being fed through wires in the headband and you're not supposed to think about it?

>>62275583
Fulla 2, Schiit Stack, Jotunheim.

>>62277107
Yes, through headband. Specifics vary between models.

>>62277104
Buy a better pair of headphones, such as the HD800, LCD3, or Focal Elear.

>>62275469
The goal here is usually not to match the distortion performance that you can extract from other technologies, although it can help. Rather, it is to offer more means of tuning.
>design
Less original work needed, more turnkey solutions available from Knowles and Sonion.

>>62275889
The primary purpose of having balanced armatures is that they are efficient and sensitive. This leads them to dominate battery powered hearing aids. You can can get a lot of sound of a tiny unit.
>crossover prevents this
No, it makes it even worse. Take a device that operated in the mostly minimum phase setting, even including driver resonances, and add a couple orders worth of all pass filters in band. Mercifully, no one really cares.
The typical low filter order doesn't quite make up for the strong undamped nodes of the armatures. That driver damping is not often made use of helps nothing.
>professional audio monitoring
For a variety of reasons, the usual stage monitor response is not even remotely flat.
Often has more to do with the design philosophy involved, but a quick look at Westone, Earsonics, JHA, Ultimate Ears, and their like would reveal the skew to most of their product line.
>hearing aids
While they do make some attempt to correct overall tone (RECD compensation and in situ measurements), limited bandwidth has never been a pressing concern for the hearing aid industry. Driver nonlinearity has not been either.
>they offer benefits over a standard dynamic driver design
The only serious one that comes to mind besides the size and load concerns is that pressure relief is a higher concern for a moving coil driver.


>>62275518
What are you saying?

>>62275583
Just buy the shit stack and you're done

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>the HD600 were first introduced in 1994 as the HD580
>it is 23 years later
>they are still the best full-sized headphones in the world
Why?

>>62278137
Because that's your opinion

>>62276039
>>62275928
I think someone is mad getting BTFO in an argument, stick to snap posting I guess.

>>62273114
thanks man, waiting for your response.
Now you can tell me is is worth it or buy other version (R2R 11 http://www.audio-gd.com/R2R/R2R11/R2R11EN.htm) . Is it good with 600's ?

>>62276010
>FUCK paypal.

???

Is there anything comparable to the 579s around 125 dollars? For gaming and rock/jazz

>>62278491
not OP but i own a nfb 11.28 and i think sounds really good with hd650.
Don't know too much about the R2R11 im told its even better and its only $20 more

>>62278753
HD559 are close; just a tad inferior bass extension, nothing major. They sound pretty similar.

>>62278795
What about the 558? Those are the previous gen right?

>>62275583
o2

>>62278851
558 is much better than the 559. Get one, unless you can find a good deal on a 598

>>62278914
558s are 100 bucks atm. From the reviews I've found I dont think I'd personally miss the difference between tjat and a 579 and is save 100 dollars.

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>>62272291
>rtings
>ever

>>62273711
For 100$ there's no actually worthwhile/actually good wireless IEM, because actual quality for wireless IEM starts at Onkyo W800BT and these are currently in a 150~200$ price range. So either dough out 50~100$ more, or there are much worse "offerings" on the market which I can list to you.

>people unironically buying audio-gd products
i want head-fi to leave

>>62278790
I'm not sold on R-2R, the normal DACs are already transparent so it's all risk with little reward.

>>62279377
t. schitt shill

>>62279482
>schitt shill
>thinking anyone who accurately points out at audio-gd products are china-ebay-crap tier must be a schiit shill
how pathetic you are

>>62279510
Head-Fi's directly sponsored by Schiit. Say anything bad about their products and you get banned. Try it.

>>62279510
there's no other reason to get that upset at the cheaper, higher quality Audio-GD products

>>62279510
>audio-gd
>china-ebay-crap tier
your inexperience is showing, new friendo

>>62279536
and audio-gd don't sponsor head-fi because they are no better than knockoff products like matrix

>>62279546
>newfags unironically overpay for chinese garbage and listen to expectation bias and let post purchase rationalization kick in so they're insta-butthurt any time anyone points out how shit audio-gd products are
reddit called they want you back

>>62279558
no one is butthurt but you lol

>>62279571
you're butthurt you spent that much money on a chinese knockoff product

>>62279575
I don't own audio-gd...

>>62279582
why not?

>>62279550
Neither do SMSL or FiiO and they're chinese. SMSL get's shit on for QC and FiiO's only real market is mobile. Audio-GD from what I've heard's basically just a gem deep in the sea of shit.

>>62279575
>knockoff
also holy shit, audio-gd doesn't do knockoffs, they beat schiit (jot + balanced dac) to market

you don't know what you are talking about you are just trying to make le epic amp warrrr

>>62279606
>audio-gd
>gem
hahahahahaha you've heard very wrong from some terribly uninformed people
>>62279607
you mean their balanced dacs that measure worse than 5 year old motherboard audio codecs? brilliant

>>62279621
you don't own any dacs or headphone amps and you use the earbuds that came with your chinkphone

>>62279633
here comes the butthurt from the poorfag that couldnt afford anything decent

>>62279536
>Head-Fi's directly sponsored by Schiit
OOH SCHIIIIIIT!

>>62270310
>replacement version
Care to elaborate?

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>>62274683
Use that money and buy a sound card like an ASUS Xonar. I have those cans on a Xonar dx and they are fantastic. Made a huge difference to volume and quality of sound once I got the Xonar.
Pic related my gaymur PC and my Game Ones.

>>62280495
>spending money on asus xonar shit
>suggesting others do the same

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Hi.

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>>62281100
Hi miku-loving HD600 + fulla2 friend.
How's it going, after some days of fulla2 with HD600 jack adapter properly attached?

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>>62281159
Haha.
Going very well I must say, I haven't been bothered by anything anymore so far, sound is very good all around, thanks!

Have you watched Tenshi no 3P? Musical show, pretty fun and the music is good. I recommend.

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>>62281261
Only the first two eps. I was lured by pic related in the first ep. Sadly, it doesn't seem like that sort of character will make an appearance. Still, I'll try.
So, there's some improvement going from what you used before (what was it?) to the Fulla 2?

>>62280326

Fidelio X2 -> Fidelio X2HR

>>62281283
It definitely caters to lolicons yeah.
Definitely, I was using my onboard audio and kept having slight higt pitch background electronic noises from time to time which caused me headaches and whatnot. None of this with the Fulla 2. Never had to turn the volume all the way up either so it's definitely capable of driving the HD600 well from my limited testing and knowledge I would say, I'm generally around 25 to 75% depending on the audio source.

>>62269782
>Click on it to go to another page and show other info, as well as these autism graphics
>add the price on the right in little
>select country on the top right, and it would redirect to .de, .es, .fr Amazon sites and such

just ideas

Does anyone know of a website where I can buy the plastic cans of the DT880's or/and DT990's?

I have a pair of closed DT770's and want to compare the open back of the other ones, but I'm not willing to put down the cash for a pair of new ones.

I've looked around myself, and Beyerdynamic only sells them off their website in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. I've also managed to find several other spare parts for the 770/880/990 series, but still not the cans themselves. Someone mentioned the drivers being different, but so far the forums I've browsed say that the different sound signatures basically comes down to the foaming and cups, so this is not a dealbreaker to me.

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>>62281283
Oh and I liked that live you had sent me by the way.

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>>62281344
For HD600, the useful range in Fulla 2 is 8h to 2h. Typically I'd use it at 9-12 depending on how loud what's playing is.
>75%
Sounds like 3h, which is typically too much. Now you should try and get used to lower volumes. You'll find, in general, that volume being low doesn't matter once you're used to it. It literally "feels" the same once used to it. However, detail seems to be easier for me to pick up at lower volumes. YMMV.
>>62281386
That's from animelo 2016, which had a lot of interesting performances.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animelo_Summer_Live#Secret_Guest_5
It's on freeleech at jpopsuki, where some other HD600 owner that hangs around the thread invited me a couple weeks ago.

>>62281415
I'm at 4h for anime it seems. The 75% I said didn't occur many times, probably only at the beginning as it's rare I go over 1h-2h nowadays I would say. I think I get what you mean as I tend to listen to lower volumes than I used to, which is good for my ears too.

I have an account over jpopsuki as a friend of mine had invited me, I may take a look cheers.

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>>62281713
>I'm at 4h for anime it seems.
Whoaaaah. Fulla 2 typical anime volume is more like 12h for me. I'm not doing normalization or any other postprocessing on mpv.
Yeah, take great care of your ears, it's too late once you lose hearing. I'm a bit more than 30 and still doing great (cutoff around 18KHz) , but I know people in their 20s with lower cutoff, and worse (tinnitus).
Volume as low as possible, only as high as necessary. On concerts, always wear some protection; just some dB less do not make a difference in enjoyment when you're being blasted loud music, but it makes a hell of a difference in preserving your hearing.

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>>62281746
By 4 I meant pic related. I think I'm too dumb to read this like a clock. Mind editing my pic to teach me, senpai?

I'm in my late 20s and sadly suffer from tinnitus because I used to listen to music way too loud as a teen. Do you have test or something at hand so I could test what my cutoff is?

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>By 4 I meant pic related.
Fuck.
Also using MPV, all volumes at 100%.

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>>62281916
That's 10h (reading as a clock is seriously easiest), and it's a good position. Incidentally, mine is also at 10h. I used it earlier with my HD380 to play llsif (via line-in).

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>>62269628
What is the best headphone if I want HD600 sound, but I don't want to wear a meme on my head?

>>62282048
The HE400i is a shittier HD600 for contrarian hipsters.

>>62282048
ER4SR.
Since it's an IEM, nobody will be able to tell you're getting good sound.

>>62281939
Yeah for some reason I was reading as an upside down clock.

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>>62281903
>Do you have test or something at hand so I could test what my cutoff is?
http://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_frequencycheckhigh.php
The 48KHz version is preferable.
The problem with this one is the damn voice is loud. I can hear ~18KHz, but the volume needs to be high, making the voice deafening.
At a lower, tolerable volume for the voice, I start hearing at 17.

>>62281746
Some anime are set at different volume levels. BD I've noticed at quieter and I'm talking about stereo

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>>62282314
TV tends to be always relatively compressed (less dynamic range and louder average) compared to DVD and BD.
These days, TV has gotten better though. This difference is less significant than it used to be.

is there any difference between the odac and hifiman diy sabre except price?

>>62282459
erm i meant hifimeDIY k

>>62282204
I'm not him, but what the? I'm hearing 22 kHz. It does get a lot louder at around 19-18 kHz, though. Now my tinnitus is bothering me more.

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>>62282512
How old are you? I could hear that well in my mid twenties...

>>62282539
25

>>62282572
So, mid-20s. Except you've got tinnitus (ouch!).
I recommend seeing the doctor about the tinnitus; You might have a chance, don't waste it by neglecting it.

>>62282204
I only started hearing something from 19Khz. Above that I couldn't hear anything but the guy's voice.

>>62282204
>>62282693
Correcting myself, can hear 20 but volume needs to be rather loud.

>>62280667
I love it when my right speaker dies and I have to disable the device and reenable to get it working again.
great card pls buy

>>62282602
It's just the cards I've been dealt, Anon. Deck was stacked against me, though

>>62282757
Yup. ASUS xonar's known to be gaymer tier hardware (i.e. shit).

http://www.headnhifi.com/amplifiers/desktop-headphone-amplifiers/O2-desktop-amplifier

Does it matter that the input's on the front?

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are headphones supposed to decompose like this?
>tfw fell for the meme headphones

>>62282912
You think this is bad? You haven't seen Beyer yet.

>>62282912
How old are they?
Depending on models, parts are more or less replaceable... particularly true for headband and ear padding.

>>62282939
around 2 to 3 years... I think my trimmed hair played a role in this.

>>62282961
>I think my trimmed hair played a role in this.
Headphones shouldn't deteriorate that fast with normal use.
I trim my hair, too. My HD598 (over 3 years old) headband is in good condition, to the point you'd think I just bought them.
Only the earpads show just a little wear, but they're still comfortable and usable; I doubt I'll need to replace them anytime soon.

Does the lcd2 have an orthowall like the m1060? Is it better than the hd800(accounting for ez mods) for most modern music?

>>62281288
I didn't know that. Thanks.
I assume the sound is similar, or am I wrong?

>>62283102
Never assume.
>X2HR
Pretty much unknown atm. FR and reviews to appear at some point. We'll see.

>>62283102

Should just be new headband and earpads.

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tfw can't use speakers outside of the weekends without being a piece of shit

>>62270161
What's that site?

>>62283221
RTINGS
>RTINGS

>>62283002
No it doesn't and depends on your taste but probably.

>>62283164
>>62283170
>Should just be new headband and earpads.

That gets me thinking.
I freaking love my X2, but my only fear is that the headband rubber might give too much over time. Is it common? How do people solve this on multi-hundred dollar headphones? Also, where the heck does Philips sell replacement earpads for the X2?

>>62283316
>fidelio X2 durability
No idea.
>How do people solve this on multi-hundred dollar headphones?
Easy to replace and cheap parts.
A well-known example is the fully modular, well-sounding, balanced, neutral HD600, which can be taken apart and put together in seconds, with ease. See youtube for videos.
Parts are also quite affordable: http://headphonespares.sennheiser.co.uk/hifi-tv-headphones/hd-600-avantgarde

>buy reference head phones
>can't enjoy music without them
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>62283987
This. Truth.
>fell for HD600 meme

>>62283987
>>62284025
Wouldn't it be possible to enjoy music with so called "fun" headphones though?
Wouldn't know since all I have are HD600.

>>62284051
>fun
Is just PC talk for "inaccurate".

Hey /g/, my Shure SRH840 kind of died on me. I loved these things but I want to try something different this time. Maybe something with just a little more bass, but surely something with more soundspace. I love listening to songs and picking out all individual instruments. Any recommendations?

>>62284192
P R I C E R A N G E ?

>>62284208
Let's keep it under 300$, preferably under 200$.

>>62284219
HD600, HD579.

>>62284219
AKG K701
They're the headphones Mio uses so you can't go wrong.

>>62278851
I meant HD558, not HD559, and accidentally said HD559. Get HD558.

>>62282459
No audible difference.

>>62283002
All orthos have an ortho wall. LCD-2's is smaller.

>>62284059
Fun is politically correct for inaccurate, and political correctness is fascism disguised as politeness.

>€50
>Ireland
>Spotify
>Something styled similarly to the Ear Pods or S6 earphones.
>Past Earphones: Samsung S6 Earphones, Senheiser HD201

>>62284637
>hey you
>headphone hipster
>watch out
>for LUAS

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>>62284637
>Spotify
>Something styled similarly to the Ear Pods

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>>62284720

>>62284637
>A hypotenuse
>Is on the opposite side
>Of the right angle.

>>62284516
>>62284240
Thank you both for the suggestions. I can get a set of K712Pro's here for about 210$ and am considering going with that. Opinions?

>>62284749
Probably all due to some imbecile on bluetooth headphones.
It's always like that.

>>62284899
>Opinions?
quick, leave, you just started another akg vs sennheiser war

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>>62284899
K712 isn't "just a little more bass." Pic related. K712 sounds like crack cocaine, collard greens and single mothers.

>>62284899
Not recommended. Even a cheapo HD558 is better than that.

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>>62284931
tbf anon's previous headphones also sound like sizzurp, stolen bikes, and violent crime. I think he'll enjoy the 712s.

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>>62284920
If a almost certainly sub 300lb human carcass can do that your train sucks shit
and dick

>>62284899
HD600 > HD579 > HD598 > HD558 > k612 > k702 > SHP9500 > k701 > k712

>>62284931
have you ever even smoked crack?
It sounds like this WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP HOOO SHIIT WT- WHOMP WHOMP WTF IS GOIN WHOMP WONMP ON

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>>62285154
Yes, but with the underground project as good as scrapped, we have to make do with LUAS.

>>62285156
>>62285149
>>62284931
t. basslet

>>62285149
That's a good point. I guess GE's SRH-840 measurement was poorly-sealed.

>>62285183
i think shes really pretty

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>>62285184
t. Yrone

>>62270113
>Bluetooth

>>62285166
really on second though crack sounds like the bastard child of a beyerdynamic t70 and a grado sr60

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>>62285210
And I agree.

>>62270816
q701, seriously.

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I hate these things now

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>>62285863
Is this you?

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>>62285936
Fuck no

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>>62285936
>He/she has the same arcade stick as me
I'll never buy Hori ever again. Dis-effing-gusting.

>>62285156
This ranking is perfectly accurate. Good job.

>>62285936
Typical Beyerdynamic owner.

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>>62286380

Opinions on the Meze 99 Neo?
How is the sound stage for a closed set?

>>62286405
tfw no diapers

>>62285149
This entire graph for k712 is fucked up, it's lifted up entirely. Compare it with k702.
Stop using graphs that are obviously wrong.

>>62286360
No it's not. It's garbage ranking made by Sennshill. All akg k6 and k7 series headphones are in different league than HD500 series Snapshit and a clear upgrade.
There is basically no difference between k701 and k702, yet he puts one before SHP9500 and other behind.
This ranking is heavily influenced by shilling going on this board and not by actually owning and listening to those headphones.

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>>62287258
K712 simply has much more bass than K702. It's a different headphone. Apply Occam's razor here. What is more likely?
- Some unknown mechanism which you have failed to explain caused the K712 to measure with much more bass than it actually has;
- K712, a different headphone than K702, simply actually has more bass than K702?

>>62287258
>>62287312
t.AKGshill

>>62287334
absolutely bloated

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Is the Philips SHP9500 still considered a good choice?

>>62276049
I'd say you're also missing some Beyers, but that would trigger autists.

>>62287475
>you're also missing some Beyers
This enhances his credibility.

Could anyone recommend me a cheaper alternative to sennheiser momentum wireless?

>>62269782
>no 702
gay

>>62287467
I bought mine back when they came out and the hype was fresh and I don't regret it for a second. They have baller sound quality and don't fucking break like my much more expensive ATH-M50s.

Is the Fostex T50rp mk3 still relevant? If so, recommended mods?

>>62287798
Did the original 9500 version get discontinued? I can only seem to find the 9500S on sale.

>>62287894
yes, they sound the same
>>62287843
no. if you do, absolutely no shure alacantara or velour pads

>>62287351
No, just someone who actually listens to headphones instead of rating by brand loyalty and other peoples opinions.
HD600 is better than all of those, so here you go dumb Sennshill.

>>62287926
>actually listens to headphones instead of rating by brand loyalty
If only that was the norm and not the exception...

>>62287920
>yes, they sound the same
What about the build quality, though? Any major differences?

>>62287926
get out of here with your sensibility, you dont belong here
>>62288054
i cant remember

>>62288054
i think the only difference between them is that with non s version you get a carrying pouch and a long cable and with the s version dont get a pouch and get a shoter cable.

>>62288259 new thread

I need a pair of cans that sound good, is wireless and portable, and has great noise cancellation. /hpg/, will the Sennheiser Momentum 2.0 on-ear wireless headphones get the job done?

>>62287843
Hm5 hybrid pads are good

Has anyone tried the m1060 with only the fuzzor mod and stock pads?

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>>62275036
>>62276124
>HD600
>best
>with no bass
>and such a high loss after the 5k
lolno
the HD600 is shit

>>62288624
Hi, Jelly#7879. Have fun getting your DMs raided.

>>62288763
d-delete this!

>>62288825
Cute profile pic ;)

>>62289024
t-thanks...

>>62282912
every protein leather product degrades like that, consumers need to stop buying that shit