/hpg/ - Headphone General

SHP9500 or Shb9850nc/27?

>>62218141
>wired open versus wireless closed active noise canceling
Do you even know what you want out of headphones? What a strange request. That being said, SHP9500 are much better sounding for home use.

>>62218174
I second this statement

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Idol pizza here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

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What is your opinion on Beyerdynamic dtx 710 guys? Are they any good or should I upgrade to something better?

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

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post you are headspeakers(ears)

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>>62218277

>>62218293
Pic + timestamp

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Alright, here's the deal: it's almost the end of 2017 and I've been using strictly only wireless Bluetooth headphones for the couple last years, simply out of principle and to gather all the needed first-hand experience on this entire "wired VS wireless" debacle. So, after using strictly only wireless headphones on a daily basis for almost two-and-a-half years, I can definitely without any doubt openly state that the "always pro-wired only" and "only highly expensive portable players, no pleb-tier smartphones" pseudo-audiophilic FAGGOTS are completely and absolutely FULL OF SHIT. I won't argue with anyone here that wireless headphones in general and wireless sound technologies in overall were utter garbage just 5-or-so years ago, but nowadays it's NOWHERE even remotely close to being as bad as it was in 2012 and further down the line. Everything (literally EVERY THING) the so-called self-proclaimed pseudo-audiophilic kiddie shithead trolls are openly and absolutely brainlessly proclaiming loudly everywhere about MODERN wireless sound technologies being "bad" or "not on par with wired" is COMPLETE, 100% BULLSHIT. Abso-effing-lute LIE. These retarded deaf kiddies clearly never used any modern wireless headphone piece that cost more than 50$ (and actually good/worthwhile wireless headphones start from the 140$ mark AT THE VERY LEAST) and/or they never tried Apt-X LL or ESPECIALLY the GODLIKE LDAC. The fags basically don't know jack about any of this, but they act like they're the hottest and most knowledgeable shits around the block while in reality they not hot shits, but just shit. Modern wireless sound IS actually very good and does NOT lose to wired at all by the sheer quality of sound and latency (if it's apt-X LL or LDAC), WHILE being WAAAY more convenient and comfortable to use due to headphones being completely (WELL, DUH!) wireless. Fuck all those pseudo-audiophilic pseudo-elitistic sudo-entitled "pro-wired" shitheads, I say. They know fucking NOTHING.

>>62218277
Possibly SHP9500S for $50 on Newegg

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>What ~50$ range wireless headphones would /g/ recommend?
Unfortunately, there are almost no actually decent/good models in that price range. The closest one you can get to be of a "decent sound quality" is Rombica's "MySound BH-10 2C", but they have extremely crappy Bluetooth range and they usually tend to bug out and turn off even if slightest electromagnetic interference is nearby (like, for example, when you're in a convenience store and standing near a commercial fridge). Also note that the are literally "Chinshit Wireless" headphones. If you never ever had a pair of wireless Bluetooth headphones before and you wish to get ACTUALLY worthwhile device from the first attempt - you'd have to spend AT LEAST 120$ and these will be MEEElectronics' "Air-Fi Matrix 3" model. This is the EXACT very point where actual wireless QUALITY starts.

>Have they also opened it up for non-Sony headphones or do I need a Sony wireless?
That we don't know yet, as there are simply no massive amount of Android 8-based smartphones on the market so far, but I personally highly doubt that this will be Sony-only when it becomes mainstream, simply due to default LDAC implementation in all Android 8 devices making no logical sense in the case if Sony decides to not license this to other wireless headphone manufacturers. They've already licensed this to Android 8, so why the hell will they restrict it only to their wireless headphones now? That will be an asshole move and will undoubtedly garner a lot of critique on Sony's ass. I don't think that Sony's THAT stupid as to not provide other wireless headphone manufacturers with a LDAC license. And even if (and that's a very big IF) they actually in all seriousness restrict LDAC usage only to their wireless devices, this still at least leaves us an option to not use a Sony smartphone for it if we wouldn't want to, so there's at least that.

>>62218316
So you're deaf. Got it

>>62218316
>>62218340
>I am totally not a Sony shill guise

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Jaybirds Bluebuds x3 vs Advanced Sound Model 3

>Budget
Less than $120
>Location
USA
>Type of headphone
Bluetooth headphones for gym/commuting. I already have a pair of ATH-M30 I plan on using until they die on me.


From what I can gather the Adv. Sound M3 sound better(?). But the Jaybird app lets you tweak the sound profile (but not sure how much this actually changes), and has +3 hours battery life.
The ADV. sound lets you change from wireless mode to wired, but the MMCX connectors seem fragile.

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>Name one worthwhile wireless headphone that isn't shit-tier or overpriced for what it sounds
Plantronics BackBeat Pro 2 SE (monitor, closed, neutral, medium price)
MEElectronics AirFi Matrix 3 (monitor, half-open, bright, very start of the actual quality in wireless headphones so this is as low as you should go if you're planning on using LDAC or at the very least Apt-X LL)
Marshall Monitor Bluetooth (monitor, closed, V-shape, medium price segment)
Master & Dynamic MW60 (monitor, closed, V-shape, high price segment yet not ineptly overpriced)
Bang & Olufsen H9 (monitor, closed, neutral, mid)
Sony MDR-1000X (monitor, closed, warm-to-neutral, mid-to-high price)
Onkyo W800BT (IEM, closed, neutral, medium price)
JVC HA-S90BN (monitor, closed, V-shape, mid-to-high price segment)

All of these currently available headphones are absolutely worthwhile wireless solutions. The most expensive one in that list is Master & Dynamic MW60 and even it is not really overpriced (usually sells for 600$, but can be found for a cheap as ~420$ at some places during sale-off days).

P.S.
Answering the question that was made in the previous thread: "open" structure is not actually common in the wireless segment, at least when it comes down to monitor headphones, but if anything - you could always try MEElectronics' AirFi Matrix 3, they're partially open. Also please don't ever lump "closed" design and "bad" together all the time, because this is simply not true. All of the closed monitor headphones mentioned above are absolutely top-notch pieces of hardware and sound very good for their respective pricing segments (Master & Dynamic MW60 having the best materials and sounding phenomenally even in artificially created bad conditions, but it's sound curve, which is very clearly V-shaped, is definitely not necessarily for everyone. I personally prefer absolutely neutral sound, so my personal wireless headphones of choice for everyday usage are Plantronics BackBeat PRO 2 SE and Onkyo W800BT).

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Friendly reminder that people are actually spending $600 on the DT1990.
You could buy a magni, he400i, and hd600 for that.

>>62218375
You are definitely an uneducated and inexperienced retard, though.

>>62218354
Pull out that phat braided silver wire out of your cuckold sucky boy faggot ass first, and only then dare to talk.

>>62218394
>Plantronics
Stopped reading there.

>>62218472
Keep on sucking dirty limp dicks then, wirecuck.

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>>62218472
I've seen worse mass market wireless fashion headphones.

>>62218497
>measurement looks melanin-enriched even using a melanin-enriched target curve
I'm sure they're good if your name is Veshone.

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what's the vintagest headphone you got and how do you drive them? mine is a 2k ohm hd414x and an old shitty kenwood amp, but sometimes a laptop with an "okay" dac or monitor with audio out surprises me

>>62218528
isn't that mostly sub bass? not that i've heard them or would ever buy them

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>>62218545
2000 ohm?????????????????????????????????????????????????
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>>62218497
>>62218528
>>62218546

>rtings
>ever

>>62218528
If you're Veshone, you'd be using ricer kiddie trash that is JBL or Skullcandy. Modern Plantronics are very good.

>>62218535

>>62218633
Are you baiting?

>>62218562
welcome to the 60s motherfucker when senny was pushing sound outta microphone elements like a cave man using a bullfrog as a fleshlight

>>62218653
>pushing sound
>microphone
>bullfrog fleshlights
i must own a pair

>>62218633
As uneducated audiophiles use the term: completely unimportant. Consider it as a black box, and only consider performance of each device case by case.

I could tell what the real differences were, but you don't need it.

>>62218646
No, I just want to buy a new dac.

>>62218686
Well it is a meme so don't bother.

>>62218497
That chart is absolute BS. I've seen other BackBeat Pro 2 SE reviews and tests, and even though hi-bass hangs over low mids just slightly, these headphone's bass is NOWHERE even remotely near to be as highly emphasized as that bullshit graph makes you think. In reality bass on these is almost as flat as the mid range (low and mid bass being somewhere in the 91~94 territory and hi-bass in the 92~93, NOTHING like what that graph shows).

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After much deliberation between used LCD-2's and Aeon's, I decided to order the Aeons. They are supposed to come in a week. Did I make the right choice?

>>62218122
>Budget
125 USD hard limit, preferably cheaper
>Location
USA
>Source
PC (Z270 mobo), rarely iPhone SE
>Type of headphone
Full size over ear
>Open or closed
prefer closed, but doesn't matter as long as audio bleed isn't obnoxious, and has decent isolation
>Comfort level
mid-high/high
>Sound signature
v shaped, but nothing too extreme (I listen to italo disco, hi-nrg, synthwave, eurobeat, some vaporwave)
>Past headphones
hand me down Razer Adaro DJs that just died
super comfy, with very good isolation, pretty good sound quality a bit bass heavy (take this with a grain of salt, I don't have anything to compare it to). I don't know how good the sound quality is compared to what is posted here, but it's miles above the apple earbuds I've used before
I'd buy another set of these but I would like to get something higher quality.

Prefer wired, no noise cancellation. I don't have a dac or amp.

>>62218779
Have fun, anon

>>62218780
ath M40x is probably your best bet

>>62218779
Tile liked them a lot and now you have a closed headphone.

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>>62218810
thanks. I just got Vanatoo T0 as well for my dorm room, so I'm feeling pretty good

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Is MULTIBIT™ a meme?

>>62218779
Your question is ill posed and impossible for us to answer for you.
Why did you consider the LCD2 and Aeon, and how do you expect to use the headphone?

>>62218843
I don't regret the modi multibit, I think it gives cymbals a more realistic sound

>budget
Somewhere around £100, is flexible though
>location
UK
>source
Behringer UM-2 willing to get an amp if needed.
>type of headphone
Full sized over ear
>open or closed
closed with good isolation
>comfort level
as comfy as possibly, i wear glasses
>Sound signature
Mid centric but this isnt important
>past headphones
Logitech G930 (wireless). I liked the virtual surround, but the wireless is not as important.

>>62218965
HDH50's on the <$200 guide in the wiki seem pretty good, what does the sealing issues mean?

>>62218862
I wanted a planar magnetic full sized, and wanted something that was generally well received. Both have very different sound signatures, and I wasn't sure which I'd prefer. I decided on the aeons because I didnt want to have to worry about qc with used cans, and I've heard Mr. Speakers is super good with customer service.

>>62218293
hd650s

>>62219172
what genre do you listen to?

>>62218965
HD569, HD380 Pro, CB-1

>>62218965
https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/sennheiser-hd-471-affordable-sealed-over-ear-headphones

>>62219489
(Creative Aurvana Live! 2)
They're neither in the infographic or the wiki list, but I saw them in the Head-fi entry-level buying guide. So I saw some good reviews, they seem better than random gaymer shit. And I thought the M40x or Sony 7506s would sound too flat for me? Since my past ear/headphones were all (cheap) V sounds.

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>>62219757
Most stuff. Lots of rock, rap, some electronic and jazz. Recently I've been listening to a lot of King Gizzard, MF Doom, and Thad Jones.

There's a sale where i can get the HD599 for 140€. Is it good, or is there better for the same price?

>>62219172
The using them part I mean. Worst case scenario you can EQ, and they differ most strongly in the bass and top treble. Midrange and most of the treble are more similar.
LCD2 is fairly heavy, the Aeon much less so.
LCD2 has some backwave issue if you put something too close to the rear grill. Closed headphones like the Aeon can be sweaty over long periods of time.

Things like that.

>>62219994
ah ok. Yea I learned that the lcd-2's were heavy, and I preferred a lighter headphone. As for bass vs treble, I honestly prefer a slightly warmer sound, but I read that the bass pads for the aeons significantly helped with the sound signature

What headphones hide the sound of feminine boys getting fucked best?

Absolute pleb question: what are the best headphones for youtube music listening? No idea about bitrates at all, but I guess high-end headphones are wasted here. Not necessarily looking for a specific pair, more like a price range.

>>62219994
Another option is that he can also always buy an HD650 for like $200 and get close enough results to the LCD-2 but get higher levels of distortion obviously
>>62220052
>>62219957
lcd-2 and aeon were both good choices to choose between for your genres, anon

are beyerdynamic 770s a meme
looking at getting the 80ohm or 250ohm

>>62220215
If you are looking for a headphone with a v-shaped sound signature, they're a nice option at that price point. Go for 80ohm unless if you know you can run them well

>>62220106
I'm here to spot you bro. Best closed back headphones for cheap are the ath-m40x or status audio cb-1

>>62218293
An,extra HD600

>>62219806
>>62219895
Thanks anons

>>62220052
The idea is that you have to underatand what you want, and how this new product is supposed to address what you want.
If you just say something like "sounds better", that gives us nothing to go on.

>>62220106
Same as usual. Lossy compression does not change what headphone to get.

>>62220112
I don't think the LCD2 is that similar. I put at least one more degree of separation between them, with either Aeon or Oppo PM2 in the middle.
Value is for Anon to decide.

>>62218841
Yeah I just got mine last week. They're pretty good. They're pretty forgiving and make bad recordings sound good also.
I up the treble for lower level listening and use the desktop setting to control the bass. They're the first ones I've tried that match/surpass the sound stage of my cheap $20 ones I used for 7+ years. To me what's the point of speakers besides comfort if they can't do sound stage and imaging. Tell me what you think of them once you get the chance.

>>62220106
m40x is what I would get. Buy it from Amazon if you don't like it you can return it.

>>62218392

Nvm. Just went with the Adv. M3s and got some new ear pads for my audio technicas.

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Got a chance to listen to these today. They were comfy and looked really nice but man they sounded like garbage. I'm not sure how I've heard good things about them but they were just very muted and had pretty much zero soundstage.
Also tried out some Audeze EL-8 closed backs at the same place and somehow they were even more garbage.

>>62221166
Audioquest used some retarded dipolar tier misunderstanding of HRTF when designing those, not surprising they sound like absolute ass.

>>62221215
>Still angry about his personal tripfag
Jej

My Vsonic GR07's are finally falling apart after ~4 years. I loved them as a daily driver. Should I go for the new 2017 versions with the detachable cable or is there something else I should be looking at? I'd like to keep price range around $100-150.

HE 400i for 400$ CAD better than the HD 600 or 650?

>>62221372
Sounds like a darker HD 600/650 with more soundstage and better bass. The HD 600 is more mid-centric with rolled off bass and recessed treble, whereas the HD 650 is an HD 600 with more mid-bass bloat and even more recessed highs

>>62218779
That's a sweet collection anon. I want to listen to every pair you own. I'll own the hd6xx soon though!
>>62221166
What does garbage mean? That's really vague.
Can you go into any more detail regarding both?
Whats your comparison?

>>62221372
I think it does rock and electronic music better. Jazz, classical and instrumental sounds really nice on HD600

>>62221616
I personally disagree with the notion that more bass means good for electronic music. Most of the stuff I listen to is electronic and the main difference between it and other music is how complex it is. Especially like trance? All kinds of shit going on. You don't want enhanced bass to overshadow the rest. You maybe want it to be just a tad bright with decent sound stage.

>>62221687
>enhanced bass to overshadow the rest
subbass doesn't do that

>>62221687
mid bass is the one you want to avoid being bloated.
sub-bass is a very good thing though. Something the hd600 doesnt have.

>>62221687
>>62221730
also, just want to say you are sorrowingly missing out if you've never heard trance with a distortion free subbass boost. you get your euphoric trance but you also have the bass dipping low and massaging your head

>>62222014
suggest headphones
pls
under $500

>>62222103
E-MU Teak or TH-X00, get the attenuation ring from denon, get NVX angled pads

>>62222120
e-even if i dont have a hd600?

>>62222130
yes lol

>>62221687
HE400i isn't boosted bass it just reaches lower than the HD600 giving a fuller sound

holy shit I still don't fucking get it after different videos, how are these madmen doing it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEd7ru24Vx0

What does this mean from Wikipedia?

"Good headphones, well sealed to the ear, provide a flat low-frequency pressure response to the ear canal, with low distortion even at high intensities. At low frequencies the ear is purely pressure-sensitive, and the cavity formed between headphones and ear is too small to introduce modifying resonances. Headphone testing is therefore a good way to derive equal-loudness contours below about 500 Hz, though reservations have been expressed about the validity of headphone measurements when determining the actual threshold of hearing, based on observation that closing off the ear canal produces increased sensitivity to the sound of blood flow within the ear, which the brain appears to mask in normal listening conditions[citation needed]. At high frequencies, headphone measurement gets unreliable, and the various resonances of pinnae (outer ear) and ear canal are severely affected by proximity to the headphone cavity."

>>62222521
how long are your cables? if they are long enough you can do it how us climbers do it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TqyyBDNnEg

or you can daisy chain them which is a pain

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>>62218843
budget multibit at least
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQA6T5ijuX0

you'll all be buying the monoprice isines, right?

>>62222600
Lower frequencies below 500 hz are not affected by ear shape like higher frequencies.

>>62222375
400i are nobass headphones. HD600s are almost niggerbass headphones.

>>62222622
just 4 ft to 6 ft or something.

doesn't help that all 3 videos i watched all have different methods so im getting confused.From what I understand so far it's just alternating twist but this is far less intuitive than it should be

What would you recommend for gaming with focus on sound positioning? I remember ATH-AD700 being recommended way back, but what about now?

>>62222685
try the daisy chain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-eT6v2OBno

>>62222674
I own both and that has not been my experience

>>62222717
pic + timestamp

>>62222737
you first

>>62222820
>he can't
kek, okay anon

>If a sleeve becomes lodged in your ear, seek skilled medical assistance to remove the sleeve. Damage to the ear may be caused by non-professional attempting to remove the sleeve.
holy shit it never even occurred to me that that could happen.

>>62219935
I'm the person who replied to you @ other thread.
Nobody knows wtf you're talking about, because you haven't filled the form.
See e.g. >>62218965 for a form sample.

>>62219987
It's good, but the HD579 is slightly better and (typically) goes for cheaper than the HD599.

>>62221777
>sub-bass is a very good thing though. Something the hd600 doesnt have.
Melanin-enhanced. Like your ER4XR.

>>62221372 >>62221433
>he400i
Shittier, far shittier mids (what matters the most) than HD600/HD650.
Dark and bassy, for melanin-enriched bass heads

>>62222953
>Melanin-enhanced
The HD 600s don't have any sub-bass. I hope you aren't the anon who's still saving up for a pair of his own

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>>62223008
>implying
They're nobass + ear rape treble

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>>62222953
>>62223008
I really fucking hope you aren't pic related

>>62223019
wtf is wrong with that midrange?
Seems like a rollercoaster.

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>>62222864
no you

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>>62223046
Nah, just some hd600+schiitstack owner that likes love live.

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>>62223019
They do have sub-bass, more-so than the HD 600 but that dip makes them darker headphones than they need to be

>>62223091
they sound brighter than HD600s to me

>>62223132
Probably due to that peak. What do you listen to?

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>>62223046
that's me :)!

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>>62223049
Nobass + niggerbass
>>62223091
They have less 35hz than the 600s, and the treble peak makes them super bright.

>>62223157
You dumdum, stop shilling HD 600s so hard until you a have the money to buy them

SE215s don't really feel like an upgrade to my much cheaper MEE audio Sport ($20). Welp.. or rather it seems that all IEMs are just a compromise to me compared to full-sized headphones. Maybe the quality is really better if I compare them more closely but I can't tell with how the SE215s manage to be less comfortable than $20 earbuds.

i should have just gotten the MEE audio M6 PRO regardless.

>>62223148
Maybe your 400i's are defective like my first pair that had nobass, 2nd pair has great bass.

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>>62223180
>until you a have the money to buy them
But I do, anon. I just don't know whether to get the 600s or the K712s first. there's a few good deals on ebay right now. will update soon (^:

>>62223248
meant for
>>62223168

>>62223248
HifiMan QC seriously scares me away from ever buying anything they make.

>>62223263
HD600. They're that much better.
Some anon recently sold his k712 to get hd600, and it was worth it for him.

>>62223263
Those are two completely different headphones, you can't listen to each yourself? Also, why don't you sell your headphones?

>>62223248
Hahaha for real nigga? Maybe it is. Can't say I mind though, EQ fixes it real easily.

>>62223285
Depends on what you want, desu. Some anon who only visits at night owns both and prefers the K712 more

>>62223308
>at night
Remember, timezones.

>>62223322
No shit, anon. No one's going to stay up all night browsing 4chan, right?

>>62223286
>you can't listen to each yourself?
No. They complement each other nicely, so I plan on getting both eventually anyways

>why don't you sell
K240 are worth like 2 pennies. Might sell the 558s, but it's nice to have a beater headphone not worth $250+. I'll prob sell the m40s when my m100s get repaired

>>62223285
Yeah, might get 600s first. they are more neutral, so it's prob a better starting point

>>62223362
>Yeah, might get 600s first. they are more neutral, so it's prob a better starting point
The guy in this vid seems to think so too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AZTKCMRzHM

>>62223372
>The average /hpg/er
That isn't his normal talking voice, is it?

>>62223404
I'm so much better looking than that guy.
Not that he's ugly. I'd let him fuck my sister.
How do we keep uglies out?

are open-backs good for reggae?

>>62223741
Silly question imo. This is just my opinion but you should shop like this:
Speakers: Home use in a quiet enough environment where you won't disturb others or do not care.
Open back: Home where you want to confine the sound to the room you're in and it's quiet enough.
Closed back/IEM: Everything else.
Personally I don't believe it has shit to do with genre.

>>62223769
That's a nice advice anon.
I was thinking open-backs could have worse bass than closed-backs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe-BV7OYepI

Can anyone inform me about ultrasone closed back headphones? It seems they have about 7 new models and there is very little information about them. I'm most interested in the performance 880 and the hfi780.
Thinking about just buying a performance 880 from a place with good returns. Slogic looks cool

Something better or different than msr7?

>>62223959

by this i mean portables and any price will do.

>>62223959
>Something better or different than msr7?
M100s are better if you want a 'fun' sound for contemporary music

>>62223890
It depends on the headphone. Fidelio L2 and K712 are pretty nice for bassy sets of open backs.

>>62223890
That's often true. The bass roll-off is usually not a big deal though, but if it really concerns you, get an Audeze or something.

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This picture changed my life! Thanks to the original anon who posted it.

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>>62224656

>>62224656
>>62224679
What's his end game?

>>62224722
Ending /hpg/ degeneracy

>>62221687
>main difference between it and other music is how complex it is
Electronic music does employ a lot of samples that undergo extensive filtering and other processing. But not all at once.
Masking is applicable to all audible frequencies, even though it has strong asymmetric trend to suppress detection of signals above the masker.

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>>62224656
>when you're not sure if the $2500 AC regenerator was worth it

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>the HD600 were first introduced in 1994 as the HD580
>it is 23 years later
>they are still the best full-sized headphones in the world
Why?

>>62224860
Pic + timestamp

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>>62224751
I would definitely like to hear more about picking the right headphones for music like trance(literally all I listen to, favorite playlist is attached) from people that know more than I do.
When I say complex I mean you usually hear so many things in the background happening at once that I think it's important to be able to hear all of it.
I suppose you could apply that train of thought to all kinds of music though. The bass line is consistent through out trance but for me it's the synths and high vocals that are the most energetic and enjoyable parts of the song. As long as the driver can handle the high BPM with frequencies all over the place and not over emphasize anything it should be great.
I've heard that multi-driver armature IEMs excel at this.
Jam related: https://my.mixtape.moe/ykyewe.flac

>>62224860
, , , , and and ,., ,,, and , and
the english language is fucking retarded
just like your fetish for those mud cannons

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>>62218141
The SHPs are crap. If you do get them you'll need to replace the earpads to keep them from slipping off your head.

>>62224914
You sure you don't have the SHP9500? The S has a tighter clamp and is no issue for my manlet head. Am 5'7"

>>62225025
I got the s model. It wasn't too loose but it would slip if I tried to tilt my head. Also the audio cable never straightened out completely.

>>62223091
>Posting graph of the old SMC connector 400i
New revision 400i don't have backplates in them. Whoever is shilling these new 400i in hpg should know about this before posting Tylls 2014 400i graph.

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is DSD a meme?

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>>62225083
Here's the HE-4XX which is mostly identical to the HE-400i

>>62225083
>>62225116

According to >>62223248 there a bunch of nobass versions of the headphones out there, and the nobass is a QC problem. Wouldn't put it past hifiman desu.

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>>62225141
foobar2000

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Dat bass boost on the HA2.

>>62224903
Who wrote the dumb shit in the pic is retarded and doesn't know grammar.

>>62222600
>>62222672
>>62223890
>"Good headphones, well sealed to the ear, provide a flat low-frequency pressure response to the ear canal, with low distortion even at high intensities.
If the cavity between the driver and the ear is airtight, perfect low frequency extension can be achieved. Large subwoofers struggle to approach the bass reproduction of headphones if not placed in a comparable pressure-chamber scenario. In practice, the only headphones of designed to such an extent are models with flat drivers, such the planars by Stax and Audeze. Insert earphones usually include a minuscule leak to depressurize the driver. Other open backed headphones generally incorporate some leak into the design.
At low frequencies, especially below the resonance frequency, the sound pressure is dependent on the stiffness of the cavity and the driver itself. If air leakage is minimized, then only a small displacement of the driver is needed to pressurize the cavity. In addition, the stiffness of the cavity limits the free excursion of the driver. These keep the driver displacement small and working in a small range that behaves fairly linear.
>At low frequencies the ear is purely pressure-sensitive, and the cavity formed between headphones and ear is too small to introduce modifying resonances.
This is poorly phrased. Beyond the literal definition of phase (and its byproduct, the group delay), the refractory period means that the neurons can directly track the oscillations of a wave to a bit below 1kHz. When firing is staggered, the volley principle, this can extend to about 3-5kHz.
However, the phase of low frequency (to about 1kHz) sound is homogeneous throughout even the largest headphone cavities. The pressure is the same everywhere.

>>62225235
>Headphone testing is therefore a good way to derive equal-loudness contours below about 500 Hz, though reservations have been expressed about the validity of headphone measurements when determining the actual threshold of hearing
In threshold testing, these are referred to as Minimum Audible Field (loudspeaker) and Minimum Audible Pressure (headphones).
>based on observation that closing off the ear canal produces increased sensitivity to the sound of blood flow within the ear, which the brain appears to mask in normal listening conditions[citation needed].
The citation is the "occlusion effect". This is a very well known phenomenon for in-ears. Generally, the solution is to either heavily ventilate the earpiece or to insert it to the second bend of the ear canal, to brace it against the bone.
>At high frequencies, headphone measurement gets unreliable,
Standing waves can develop now that the wavelength is appropriate, and the shape of the pinna is intended to cause position dependent multipath interference. The non-uniform sound field of a headphone at higher frequencies will interact with the pinna, creating direction dependence.
>and the various resonances of pinnae (outer ear) and ear canal are severely affected by proximity to the headphone cavity."
The difference between the free air radiation impedance of the ear and of impedance of the ear with the headphone coupled to it. Headphones do load the impedance of the concha, and this will depend on the stiffness of the driver, leak embedded into the driver and earpads, and being open or closed back.

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>>62225161
You're a couple versions behind, and why can't I see any idolm@ster or love live in that playlist? :X

>>62225161
Not for Mac。Dammit。

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wanna upgrade from my w30
considering w60
whats other good option

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>>62223091
>>62225116
4xx/new400i less sub bass and more bright

>>62225316
If you like those aesthetics, HD800 ^_^

>>62225270
Use wine.

>>62225330
>New 400i
The HE-4XX is not the same headphones as the HE-400i, but they do sound similar. Source on your statement?

>>62225363
>Greentexting 400i
What I mean is the 2.5mm connector HE400i without backplates. They're the new revision.

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Help plz
>$50-150 nzd
>New Zealand
>Phone, TV, laptop
>full size
>closed
>Balanced, but willing to sacrifice comfort a little for better quality

Pic of last two pairs ive owned. The fucking cable died on both of em, and now only audio on the left side of the black pair(the black pair is currently what i use, the white died about 12 months ago)

>>62225391
>Not greentexting 400i
>The HE-4XX is the new HE-400i revision
Wrong

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Whats the /hpg/ approved android music player?

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Does anyone have an opinion on the ATH-SX1a?

>>62225330
Aside from sub-bass they seem to be within the margin of error

https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD650.pdf
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/MassdropHD6XX.pdf

>>62225439
>ATH-SX1a
Those look really comfy

>>62225396
HD569, HD380 Pro.
>a bit over budget
Your budget is throwaway headphone territory. Do you want another shitty one with embedded cable?

>>62225411
Exactly. See >>62225330 for old SMC connector HE400i compared to HE4XX. Are you implying that backplates revised 2.5mm connector 400i is exactly the same as the SMC 400i?

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What a good SS Class A Headphone amp under $150? I have been have trouble find any, only chink stuff off aliexpress/ebay that have no reviews.
For my AT A990z that are really sensitive to any hiss. Doesn't need to be a powerhouse cause 44 ohms.

>>62225445
The difference in impedance suggests the HD650 measurement is with the older revision drivers.
HD6xx are expected to be identical with the newer (current) HD650.

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>>62225466
>class A
Pointless class A fetishism
>but I want class A
Schiit Asgard 2.

>>62225452
I don't particularly want shitty anything. But the cable is relatively important...

>>62225455
Source on the HE-4XX and new HE-400i being the exact same headphones?

>>62225484
I agreed on you saying it was wrong. Learn to read.

>>62225466
>$150
Buys you a magni2. which measures better than the class-A asgard, and isn't "sensitive to hiss" or any other such nonsense.
>>62225481
Then increase your budget, until you can get at least HD569 or HD380 Pro. Maybe consider second hand as an alternative, to get these more cheaply.

>>62225492
Fuck. Sorry, dude. Am sleepy; I need to go to sleep

>>62225503
Okay, thanks for that

I have a $65 dac/amp
If I buy a JDS labs element will my headphones sound better?

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I am being tormented by the wait for hd6xx
Guess it's time to spam every thread along with the "second best behind HD600" and idol trash posters until it arrives to ease my pain

>>62225396
Sony MDR-V6

>>62225544
At least when they come next year you will have the satisfaction of saving money.

>>62225544
Are the HD6xx made in China like the k7xx?

>>62225544
Try not to kill yourself over the stress, you dumb frogposter

>>62225541
What do you have? Headphones and dac/amp.

>>62225577
HD600 and thx00, fx audio dac x6

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>>62225544
Do you not like Idol trash? -_-

>>62225631
>-_-
Dumb Idol poster

>>62225567
unfortunately they're made in ireland instead

With buying used HD 600/650 or go brand new? I'd be saving about 150$ with a used one

>>62225697
don't forget to take into account the cost of new earpads

is it still worth it over buying a $200 HD6XX? There could always be a redrop with leftover stock so the wait would be more reasonable.

>Budget
up to 30USD
>Source
Redmeme Note 3
>Type of headphone
IEM's, old school earbuds
>Open or closed
either
>Comfort
sufficient
>Sound signature
v shaped, emphasis on sub bass (I listen to vaporwave, prog rock, idolshit music)
>Past headphones
AKG K77, KZ ATE (both currently owning); Philips SHP1900, some Technics full-sized headphones.
the objective is to replace my ATE's

>>62225647
>hating on idols
Confirmed psychopath.

>>62225697
Depends on condition. Honestly I'd suggest a HD580, dirt cheap and sound 99% as good as HD600.

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>>62225631

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>>62225631
nico is my waifu
other than that no

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>tfw been using my $60 SHP9500s with no dac/amp for over a year and have been entirely content with them
I just don't see a reason to upgrade. From my understanding the HD600 is the next step up but the difference in fidelity is negligible. I might think about upgrading to some STAX when I have the money but for now these bad boys will do the job. Best meme I ever fell for.

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>>62218244

>>62225920
I'M SO FUCKING HUNGRY
but the day i order my new headphones approaches

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>>62225920
:-)

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>>62225936
Mappa went from making good anime like Teekyu for fun to making shitty cash grabs.

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>>62226054
I kinda liked Idol Jihen.
Am I idol trash for that, I wonder.

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What are you listen to /hpg/?

>>62226054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOldrpBlZYs

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>>62226095

Funny how the brain works. After.listening to my Vanatoo speakers for awhile and getting used to them; the HD600 sound tinny and bright.

>>62226160
Mirin. Wish I could use speakers with out being a total asshole.
>>62226095
https://my.mixtape.moe/tabjub.flac
Playing songs im familiar with because I'm fucking around with my eq. Amazing how many different things can sound good

>>62226176
To give more context. The Vanatoos sound really warm and laid back but once you get used to it you dont notice it and it sounds "normal". I'm saying that that's probably true for most stuff.

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>>62226095
Symphogear stuff is great on LCD-2s.

Can I use this site's measurements to compare headphones to other measurements from the same site and come away with anything useful?
http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp.php
Quite the collection they have.
>>62226217
post magnet

>>62226224
I got it on bakabt, don't know where else to get it.

>>62221613
The nighthawks sounded like they had a giant piece of foam between them and my ears. They were being driven by a pretty good amp and they were loud but everything still sounded muted. The bass response wasn't good, it was sort of muddy and all blended together while also not being very impactful. You could say it was a well balanced sound, but in the sort of way that everything was just muted to the same level rather than actually sounding good or faithful to the source.
Probably the worst "nice" pair of headphones I've heard.

The Audeze's I will admit sounded like they might have been a little underamped and my opinion is a little tainted by the fact that they were $800 and Audeze's in general are supposed to have good bass. Overall they were decent but for the price they were mediocre and the bass was pretty shitty. Overall it just felt a slightly warm but underwhelming.

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>>62226217
It is also great on HD600.
Nice seiyuu, too.
Such as shirabe's (yoshino nanjo, eli ayase in love live).

>>62226271
Great taste in school idols.
Nico nico nii~

>>62226271
Corsair makes good mice, I have the scimitar myself.

>>62226095
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7jLiXeFm_E

>>62226281
Didn't know they shared a seiyuu. The two characters sound totally different which is pretty impressive.

>>62226224
https://nipponsei.minglong.org/index.php?section=Tracker&search=symphogear

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558 wins comfort test.
>>62226288
>>62226297
Yes.

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>>62226288
NICO NICO IN THE TRASH

>>62226394
All those amiibos when you could've bought non shit headphones like the Beyer dt990 so you can hear Nico Nico Niiis in 4k

>>62226426
>amiibo
>dt990
Incredibait

>>62226426
Waiting on the 6xx and I don't want something bass heavy.

>>62226447
So instead you got something bass heavy but sub bass light. Enjoy the warmness.

>>62226394
The pads too shallow for you? Bretty wide comfy pads, but I wish they were deeper

>>62226082
How long have you been watching seasonal anime?

>>62226486
Combination of pads being too shallow and the cover for the pads being made of cancer. I don't even have big ears and I found it annoying.

>>62226505
Were you the anon who had issues with sweating?

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>>62226494
~2003. Sometimes >20 series at once. Others, just one or two.

>>62226516
yeah well i watch dragonball on saturday nights with beyerdynamics
get@me

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>>62226394
Awesome nico nicos.

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>>62226524
>Dragonball
See ya later faget

>>62226529
Fuck off, pedo.

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Does your favorite headphone company advertise with anime tiddies?

>>62226515
I thought it was because of sweat at first. It turns out it just irritated my skin no matter what.
>>62226547
No, but they should.

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>>62226564
I'm not sure

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>going to try to replace the pads on my shp9500s
>completely inept at most things

>>62226547
Focal would sooner advertise with baguettes, unfortunately.

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>>62226590

>>62226590
Nigga, use Yootoob

>>62226224
The pinna used is not even remotely anthropometric. My answer is no.

>>62225105
DSD has utility as a pure archival format. This is what it was supposed to be used for.
However, it's worse than useless for playback. It is fundamentally incompatible with nearly every form of digital signal processing. You can't even touch the volume.

>>62226516
Just wondering since 90% of everything is shit and of course it applies to anime. I'm not some guy who likes grey and black mature anime only but I do wonder how someone could intake so much kuso anime without either being someone started 2 years or less or being autistic with anime since the dawn of time . Light novel tier writing just puts me to sleep so I just wonder how someone can enjoy most pleb stuff.

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>>62223308
yup

>>62226668
>Inb4 this starts another shitposting war
This thread has been pretty comfy so far, desu

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>>62226689
narr, im og op
>time stamp plz
some other tard has been posting it nonstop, kinda funny.

>>62226711
Dummo frog poster

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>Budget
~$100
>Location
US
>Source
Wireless, for when I'm at uni/YGO locals
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfy-ish

I just want some not-super-fancy looking, good quality headphones to use while out and about. Wireless because the headphone jack on my phone is busted. Long battery life is a huge want.

Help me out, you damn audiophiles.

>>62226668
t.Dashonte
K712 sound like stolen tires and purple drank.

>>62226854
>under $100
>good quality
>wireless

>>62224875
>>62225161
The response that works for trance best is the same for anything else.
If you look at the speakers they use to produce this on, once you get past the bass extension problems and tweeter beaming, the average response* tends to a normal distribution. May as well pick the average and try to cover your bases as well as you can.

Complexity as in being harmonically dense or having many instruments and samples being fired off in quick succesion is not a problem for headphones; it multiplies the input based on its frequency response. The problem is whether you hear it clearly.
Harmonically dense content, modern music including most trance, makes it easier to pick up abnormal shifts in frequency response, but more difficult to hear distortion. The converse is true for minimal instrumentation, easier to hear distortion but larger shifts in response are not easily detected.

The multi-armature stuff really doesn't. Wonky and uneven response. I think mentioned this earlier. >>62192037

*Bass extension problems because they either can't fit the woofers or can't afford them. They would get more subbass if they could. I don't know about why the tweeters tend to be off-axis. Maybe they do prefer less treble. Or they don't care enough about top octave.

>Black Hole
Tijs' old label? I never liked his work anyway.
>Armin, Armada
The last time I listened to Armin was-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IUWLxDnj0A

Have a track:
>Holden & Thompson - Nothing (93 Returning Mix)
https://my.mixtape.moe/cxifyo.flac
Because I first heard it on ASOT. Found it on Nyana CD.
I don't think the full length version was released digitally. Look for the original version if you want to understand what Julie Thompson is saying.

And what I was actually listening to:
>Vibrasphere - Follow Me
https://my.mixtape.moe/ldcpop.flac

>>62226889
Good thing headphones are subjective :^)

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>>62226957
They're objective, actually, and K712 are objectively bad, tinny and veiled mudcannons.

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>>62226957
You = Cloud
Big Gay Men = HD600

>>62227003
Don't you only own muddy shit-phones?

>>62227014
There's more than one of us who recognize K712 as the melanin-enriched dogshit they are. Don't make assumptions about anonymous posters.

>>62227003
At least it has non shitty sound stage. HD600 is like ear dildos but weirdly 1 inch away from from your ears so it sounds too separate from the phantom middle.

>>62227009
If all goes to plan, they should snap like anorexic chinks

>>62227025
AKG soundstage sounds like the band is playing far away with their amps and the PA covered in mud. HD600 soundstage sounds like you're on stage with the band.

>>62227021
Oh, I'm going to make all the assumptions I want, anon

>>62227037
In any case, I am not the anon who posted the picture of several poorfag headphones.

>>62227031
>You're on stage with the band
That's a weird way of saying shitty narrow soundstage

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Who llsif here?

Why are we even talking about the K712? It's not the AKG Mio wears so it's not even important.

>>62227090
aren't you a little old to be playing guitar hero?

>>62227104
Guitar hero will never die!

>>62226641
>since 90% of everything is shit and of course it applies to anime.
It does.
So, ages ago, I would watch everything that's airing. Now, it's more like 2-5 series depending on season and mood.
It's best to watch bd of older anime that was good. Dispatching items from the backlog of good stuff is definitely better than airing garbage.
Now I'm at ~1k series seen. Ouch.

I'm looking for the best headphone/mic experience for around 200-250 bucks and I know people here have much better experience with headphones than I. I had a ATH-50's, whatever the audio technica ones were, but they just weren't comfortable for me so I sold em off with my mod moc.

ATM I'm looking at Sennheiser HD598 and the V MODA Crossfade M-100.

Uses:
Heavy music listening: Electronic, Rap, Metal
Gaming: MMO/FPS with voice chat

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>>62227090
Idol trash here. I llsif, ofc. Best llsif experience with HD600.
Incidentally, I have the same umi awakened UR as partner. No, I haven't changed it for the occassion.
My LP is full... guess what I'm about to do ^_^.
>>62227104
Let me guess: You just suck at rhythm games. :D

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>>62227260
Headphone: Make it HD579 instead. Improvement you'll appreciate over HD598. Basically same FR as HD599 but cheaper, and considered better by reviewers.
Can't say about mic, not my area of expertise.

>>62227260
HD579, which is basically an HD598 with better bass extension.

>>62227260
Take a look at the DT 880 or HD 579

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>>62227090 >>62227280
Btw, level 205 is impressive. How long have you been playing for? I'm at one year since July.
Are you also PL-free on lives?

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>>62227301
I will buy 559 instead.

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>>62227280
Ye

>>62227340
>>62227303
>>62227301

Thanks yall. I know yall suggested the open back option, but what's the typical consensus on the closed as well?

>>62227376
Cup your hands around the HD579

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>>62227366
>HD559
Not recommended. Generally considered a downgrade over the HD558, which was too good, so they had to nerf it.
>>62227376
Open will generally sound better than closed at a given price point. That's just how it is.
>>62227367
Hey.

>>62227376
don't bother unless it's a TH-X00 or better

>>62227260
Fidelio x2 obviously

>>62227376
>closed
HD569, HD380 Pro.
But open will sound better at the same prices.

>>62227386
>>62227384
>>62227391
>>62227430


Good stuff. DAC recommend on the 579's or they good by themselves? My laptop allegedly has a built in 'amp' in it... not sure what that entails.

>>62227260
Fidelio L2 + BoomPro

>>62227430
Aren't they discontinued? Where the fuck is Philips keeping their new X2s??

>>62218122
Redrop really dropped low with idol shit.
sad.

>>62227496
>My laptop allegedly has a built in 'amp' in it... not sure what that entails.
It entails you're more than covered. Both HD579 and HD598 do benefit from an amp due to their weird impedance vs freq curves, but will sound good with about *any* amp, as long as they have low output impedance.

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>>62227509
>hating on idols so hard
Redrop's seen the light and accepted the love.
Why do you resist so hard yourself?

>>62227503
Just get them used. Tons of good deals online around the $200-$260 mark

can a wireless headphone explode in my ear? i'm afraid of batteries

>>62227351
For almost 2 years now.

>>62227530
Lithium batteries have that lil problem that they do explode once in a while.
>>62227534
Cool. Most masters FC'd I guess?
A year ago I thought EX were impossible, now I've already FC'd some masters. It's awesome how it's possible to get that good.
And the skills seem to transfer well to other games, like deresute, mirishita and taiko no tatsujin ds.

>>62227559
> Most masters FC'd I guess?
I wish, I've only been able to FC two, I only play with my thumbs tho but all my EX are FC'd.

>>62227003
>Headphones are not objective
Ummm... No, sweetie

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>>62227586
>all EX
That's impressive. Here I have most, but not all.
>2 Masters
I have 3 :P
>thumbs
Ouch. I can't play very well with thumbs (I'm starting to train them via portrait mode in mirishita). I hear there's a ceiling that can't be crossed by thumbs, which is why I used fingers from the start.
At first it was just the indexes. After 4-5 month I started using the middles too, and now I use 2-3 fingers from my left, 3-4 on my right :X.
I think the key event was when I started to also play deresute... the timing on that game is loose AF, but it helped train my finger dextrerity a lot.

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post cute music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H53Ja60bQE

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>Budget
$150, $200 top
>Source
Chink DAC and amp plugged in a computer
>Type of headphone
Full size
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Should be comfortable for at least 1 hour. It's hot and humid here.
>Sound signature
Bright, detailed with good soundstage and separation. Most of my library has no vocal, the rest are mostly female vocals.
>Past headphones
Never had a fullsize

Pic unrelated

>>62227672
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wAlISpR8nc

>>62227702
HD579.

>>62227702
DT 880 or HD 579

>>62227702
k712 or HD579.

>>62227702
AD900x, 880

>>62225803
KZ ZS6

Does anyone know where I can get the frequency response graph of the Hyperx Cloud Core?

>>62227702
stax auctions

>>62227879
Bump

Going to bed with my HD600. Good Night everyone.

>>62218841
How are you liking those? I was pretty tempted but I got LSR305s instead.

>>62227712
>>62227717
>>62227730
How does this compare to the 598?
The 598 is more available here.

>>62218122
You niggas have that Head-Fi on how to EQ any headphone to flat? I wanna try it on my garbo 668B's.

>>62228084
>EQ any headphone to flat

stop

>>62228170
>It's gotta be perfect out of the box

>>62227702
fucking, are those the dakoni pads? why do they look so much better in this pic.

>>62228207
idk they're chink pads that comes with a chink headphones.
Apparently they're pretty comfy.

>>62228009
HD599 is a HD598 improvement, with better bass extension and more controlled treble.
The HD579 is a cheaper yet same FR and better reviews than HD599.
Get the HD579 if you can, definitely worth paying about 33% more. Probably not worth paying 50% more.
And careful with HD598, there's a few traps. There's fakes of it. The HD598se/sr from amazon should be safe. There's also the HD598Cs, which is entirelly different, closed, and NASTY, avoid.

>>62227964
Good night. Have nice dreams, such as being the producer and having all im@s idols fawn all over you.

>>62218841
>dorm room
>speakers
Antisocial fuck.

>>62228223
That's nice but they're $220.
My budget is more like $170.
Is it really worth saving up for?

>>62228202
No, that's not what I meant.

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Just seen pic related. What a fanservice ep!
Complete with hayami saori's wonderful singing.
With HD600, like angels whispering on my ears.
>>62228262
>a $50 difference
>means saving up
You should probably just save the money and do not buy headphones at all, until you are not a poorfag anymore.
Still, what shops are you looking at? Even at amazon dot com it's cheaper than that, and within your $200 budget.
https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-579-Open-Headphone/dp/B01L1IIF1K/

>>62228301
I'm third world so $50 matters
That also means these things are always more expensive. It's also why I've been using chinkshit exclusively.

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>>62228320
>chinkshit
Good when you've got nothing. Bad value long term as, sound aside, they just don't last.
>HD579
Has excellent sound, the newer near-indestructible sennheiser headband, and as with most non-entrypoint sennheiser, replacements are sold for every part, should you ever need them.
http://headphonespares.sennheiser.co.uk/hifi-tv-headphones/hd-579

>>62227702
Also there are people selling a HE400i for $200 and a fidelio X2 for $150. Are they worth?
In case anyone cares, the headphones in pic is a Chinese DIY, which according to one guy sounds better than HD558 and rivals HD650. It's $170.

>>62228349
I suppose, though my RE400 hasn't broken yet, despite its reputation.

>>62228409
>Also there are people selling a HE400i for $200 and a fidelio X2 for $150. Are they worth?
>fidelio x2
Good, but very colored. Perhaps not worth $150 if you're looking for something general purpose (neutral). Sometimes considered itchy.
>HE400i
Would be good for the price EXCEPT they have terrible, terrible QC issues. Several people that hang around his thread got shipped defective ones when ordering it *new*. I avoid hifiman as a brand for their QC and terrible support infamy. I specially wouldn't want to go anywhere near it when second hand.