AMD Loses $100+ on Every Vega

>>62176779
ryzen was a cover up

>>62176779
Radeon Technologies Group is gonna get fucking reamed.

>>62176779
If AMD can't pull something out of Infinity Fabric in GPU's, they might as well throw in the towel and sell RTG to Intel.

>tfw want to buy amd but they make it so hard
at least ryzen is competitive i guess

Who cares ryzen + Nvidia Master race here

>fudzilla

Anyways they're probably close to reality and I hope they figure this stuff out

>>62177215
Oh yes let's kill our APUs.

>fudzilla

the hint is in the first syllable

>>62177281
>not intel + nvidia master race
Dumb kid.

>>62176779
is this 100$ on every RX vega, or just every Vega chip in general?

because for a fact they aren't losing money to any Vega chip they sell to Apple or any server farm.

>>62177422
>Our industry sources have confirmed to Fudzilla that AMD loses at least $100 on every Vega 64 card it sells at its $499 Suggested Etail Price (SEP)
It would appear cards, not chips.

>>62177215
Do you understand that being a monopoly involves a lot of outset fines. Intel would rather share trade secrets to AMD then be fined billions every year.

In some form AMD will never be bankrupted because costs are to low to even lose money. People can pull something out of any odd website, buy you can't deny that amd produces video cards at a price that is significantly lower then what the consumer buys it for.

>>62177411
T. Evil inside

>>62176779
>our industry source
is this the new secret anonymous source that didn't want his name to be revealed?

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give us a date AMD

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>>62177281

>>62176779
nvidia is fucking based, amd cucks can't keep up

Better buy a Vega and do your part in putting AMD out of business ;^)

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>>62176779
The man who will single-handedly undo Ryzen's success

>YFW you didn't fall for the Pooga meme

>>62176779
I'm not surprised, the die is bigger than Titan Xp and with HBM. $499 was only a (((launch price))).

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>>62177281
ryzen is shit though, anything above 4 cores isnt even being utilized in games

>>62181343
>if if isn't good in gaymz, it's shit!
Wow, the /v/ philosophy.

>>62176779
So, it's excellent hardware being sold at a loss.
With the worlds shittiest fucking drivers that themselves are over a year late (since it's obvious they were the delay)

I guess old memes die hard.

It's time for AMD to sell off RTG and focus on CPUs.

>>62177847
Of what? Bankruptcy?

>>62180545
Poor Raja

>>62181468
>>62180545
Certified Shit Broker

>>62179315
Ah noice the 980ti aged quite well so I hear.

Isn't it 1070 level?

Imagine all those poor cucks stuck on a 970

>>62181343
This is objectively wrong many games past 2009 benefit greatly.

Don't play shit single threaded games

>>62181373
They have a lot of IP they can use and license out if they need to, they will likely never sell the Radeon division to anyone.

>>62176779
Oh-fucking-please. And I went and gave them a click. Source: their ass.

That losing money part maybe true in their Hollywood style accounting though.

>>62176779
>So when AMD lets its Etailers sell Vega at the higher prices than SEP, it is actually making some money.
That this idiocy made it into a published article tells you everything you need to know about how little to trust anything this site says. Jesus Christ the retardation.

>>62181675
Delusion: the post.

>>62176779
AMD needs to sell their GPU department to Intel so that Nvidia can finally have some real competition.

>>62176779
>fudzilla

this is a reason for suicide anon

>>62181675
No shit, maybe losing out of $100 projected profit but even in the article they go and say it will be more profitable as the production run matures like with literallly any product

>they said vega will be late
>FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS
>they said hbm have poor availability
>FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS
>they said vega fe will performs like 1080
>FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS
>they said vega is a housefire
>FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS
>they said vega fe = rx vega
>FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS

>now they say amd lose money with vega
>FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS

>>62181343
Why don't you own 7350k? It's cheap and overclockable, shame about having to pay premium for that useless extra core though because single threaded is the only thing that matters.

>>62177411
consumerist turd spotted

I just want 5GHz 12c/24t 7nm LPE zen 2 already.

>>62182168
I wonder how many cores we'll get on AM4 once 7nm lands

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>>62176779
>fudzilla

>Vega 56 MSRP $399
>converted to CAD ~$500
>newegg.ca lists the reference models for $700
>still out of stock despite that

fuck this god damn bullshit

Fuck vega I just want a rx 580 at 250€

I'm glad I waited for Vega. Really made me feel more secure in buying my 1080.

>>62181867
This

>>62177443

Easy fix, bundle a few games with each card and let game publishers write off the losses as advertising.

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More importantly, they're taking too fucking long with Raven Ridge. At this rate it'll face tough resistance in mobile when Intel starts offering quad cores even for low power chips.

>>62176779
It really is obvious.
>They dragged their feet as long as possible trying to reduce costs
>They finally had to release something
>They produce as few of them as possible to help reduce losses
All so they can claim some success and save some face.

>>62177443
Which is the real reason they bundle. By bundling they reduce that to between $0 and $50 losses depending on the deals they make.

>>62183005
>They produce as few of them as possible to help reduce losses
Are you some kind of retard

>>62176779
>source: my ass

>>62181492
>Imagine all those poor cucks stuck on a 970
Let's hold half a minute silence for the fallen

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>>62177411

Go to bed Brian, even Nvidia turned its back on you.

>>62181373
id be fine with this

amd can go back to doing cpus and being damn good at doing that like with ryzen, athlons and xp's

RTG has been dogshit since 2012

7970 was legit the last good videocard they made.

290/390 where very pwoerful but ive had 2 in a row blow up a 850watt psu and a 1kw psu i wish i was joking because i am not.

They legit draw 50 amps and 500watt+ when overclocked

>>62181343
CPU's are not a bottleneck, more new at 12.

I'd rather have too many cores.

>>62182201
>Navi is just 4k Ryzen cores

>>62181373
Or exclusively APU's with their GPU's only for businesses. It's what they seem to be doing anyway

>>62183245
anything about 16 threads for gaming is overkill

atm anyway it will undoubtably change in the future

hence why a threadripper is no faster than a 1800x

>>62183259
i mean thats the end game

Navi + ryzen gen 2 APU when?

should be good on 7nm and below

>>62183287
Probably late 2018.
Maybe 2019 if the dies are sizeable enough.

>>62183287
>nano performance with an hexa/octa-core ryzen in a single package

They really need to fix power consumption. Not because electricity is expensive, but because of battery power and thermals.

Normal, Vega is a bigger GPU than GP104, GP102 and GP100.

HBM is more expensive than GDDR5X.

The 1070 use only GDDR5 non X.

HBM for gayming cards was the most stupid move of Raja. Vega is DOA.

>>62183323
What do you mean by "fix power consumption"?
AMD simply needs to stop selling overvolted dies.

Legit question.

How did they fuck this up so bad?

Ryzen was a pretty shit release but that makes sense since AMD hasn't released a single decent processor in years. This is a fucking disaster sandwich

>>62183335
>Vega10 bigger than GP100
>486mm^2 is bigger than 610mm^2
?
Anon you need to take the pills.

>>62183342
That's a possible solution for ultimately the same problem.

>>62183335
Vega seems to be a winner in the business side of things. If that translates to sales RTG is far from done.

>>62183323
i got the impression navi is a completely different arch?

Nvidia needs to just buy RTG and be done with it

AMD and Nvidia should merge and just fuck intel up the ass, let RTG and higher end nvidia handle pro stuff and nvidia handle gaming

>>62183383
The only thing they'll fuck is your fucking asshole.

>>62177847
You are part of the people who yell "WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT" each and every single time when AMD shits any sort of idea about CPUs and GPUs.

We had to wait SO MANY TIMES... that I wouldn't wait again. Almost every single time, it was a full fledged failure. Radeon is a joke. The recent news uncovering the fact that the RX 56 can be almost identical performance with 64 made the Vega 64 to lose popularity instantly. Why the fuck would you buy it? Because is AMD YUY? Lol, fuck no. That's dumb. Do something good with your money. Buy Nvidia. Get the performance you deserve and the stability you deserve (inb4 posting pics of the original titan bursting in flames due to beta drivers and not final product scheme, kill yourself if you do it).

>>62176779
I don't think RTG will dissolve after this blunder. Nvidia will be pumping money to AMD like crazy to prevent monopoly status.

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>>62183407
>buy nvidia

>>62183352
AMd hasnt had a good cpu since 2007

10 years later ryzen finally drops and its fucking amazing i own one

However RTG fucked up consistently since 2013

the 290 and 390 are so bad they fried 2 psu's and the fucking 300-500watt from the card alone is insane

>>62183395
as opposed to nvidia not really doing anything that rtg isnt doing?

>gimping old cards
>freesync (not compatible with vesasync anymore)
>shit drivers locking pro features from cards
>shit drivers downgrading older cards

>>62183352
this is some of the most advanced science and it's all developed behind closed doors.

it's entirely possible that Nvidia's tech is just leagues ahead. how would you personally release an inferior product?

>>62183383
yes please give us a Nvidia monopoly that's the best thing that could happen to us

I personally hate being able to hold my shit in

>>62183335
HBM does come from Raja. It was in development since like 2008 as part of a stacked die + controller initiaitive. They have patents for related concepts and technologies going back a decade. And there was originally a gpu with stacked memory slated for 2012 or something bit it disappeared off roadmaps and went into development hell. Basically everything AMD is releasing now is just catching up to some ancient roadmap that foresaw 3d stacked dies to happen now and not in the mid 2020s

>>62183440
>how would you personally release an inferior product?
I would massively downsize them and go for efficiency and price. It's clear they aren't winning in performance alone. Polaris was one of the best cards they've ever made honestly.

>>62183458
Hbm doesn't come from Raja. Not sure why my phone decided to autocorrect a negative into a positive

Even google knows no means yes

>>62183428
why do we even need two consumer gpu makers?

Seriously RTG have fucked up for 5 fucking years!

Any other normal company that isnt AMD would be dead in under a couple of years.

Im so glad amd stuck around and finally made a good cpu but holy fuck is hawaii-vega bad

300-500watts usasage
good at compute but horrible at gaming and horrible thermals to boot

Best thing nvidia did was fuck up hard with the fermi and figure out how to run scheduling in software
>>62183456
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-amd-discrete-gpu-market-share-q1-2017/
>NVIDIA Gains 2% Discrete GPU Market Share in Q1 2017, AMD Loses 2% – Overall Graphics Board Shipments Down 29.8%
GPU's are going the way of the co processor, physx processors and sli

>>62183431
Well. If you would rather get one card that uses more than my dual GTX 1080 SLI (oh god the irony hurts my sides)... O well. I won't spend 1080 Ti on 1080 performance. Have fun with your sever level of fanboy.

>>62183466
Vega is still bottlenecked by 4 frontends. That's why it performs so low.

>>62183478
>Hawaii is bad
Back to the cuckshed along with your anecdotal evidences.

>>62183478
>why do we even need two consumer gpu makers?
LOL

>>62183478
>Seriously RTG have fucked up for 5 fucking years!
You mean saved the company for 5 years by propping up an undead CPU division and funding Ryzen?

>>62183519
No, semi-custom funded everything.
Consumer Radeons sold like shit.

>>62183466
not having a halo product puts you at a disadvantage though. the tech press likes big winners and the enthusiast market follows. that's why ThreadRipper is such a homerun despite being frivolously overkill for 98% of people.

>>62183510
i literally had every single one

290 for 6 months before it shit tiself
390 for a week before it shit itself
390x for a year and a bit before it blew my psu and shit itself as well as having a broken fan controller

they ran at 60-90 degrees all day no matter how good a cooler u used and throttle at 100degrees

shove your "anecdotal evidences" up your ass

even during the final days my 390x overclocked to 1100 core 1690 mem barely kept up with a 1060 and crushed 480s

>>62183538
That says more about the retarded population than AMD's products. But I get what you mean.

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>>62183431
itt:u

>>62183494
but when is that going to get remedied

>>62177411
>second half of 2017
>still preaches intel
Wew lad

>>62183530
No they didn't. Semi-custom only funded gpu development because Sony and MS wanted new feature sets and that's how RTG made money, by rolling development with semi-custom money and then implementing the architectures in end consumer products. MS basically funded Polaris themselves. The CPU division got nothing because the actual money from semi-custom unit sales had like a 10% margin on a <$100 product. There was even an article about how AMD was hoping die shrinks would bring their margins up to like 15%, which is pathetic.

>>62183630
When the pajeets will finally finish the software.
I dunno, that's maybe October.

>>62183654
By semi-custom money I mean Sony and MS literally gave them research money and even had their engineers basically do free work on designing the GPU architecture. The sales from the actual SOCs were jack shit and probably only a few billion over the life cycle of the products they went into

>>62183359
GP102* titan x, my bad...

Who's joining the dark side here? I still want to believe in amd but thanks to fucking miners their cards literally disappeared from the market. Might as well save up and get a 1080.

>>62176779
Vega was supposed to be the 1080ti killer.

>>62183832
Right now it doesn't even work properly.

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>>62183005
They take worst rejects from batches and make limited number of manchildren entertainment boards to have presence.
I can't blame them for not having gamers as main focus when companies are hungry for processing power. Let GAMURZ enjoy nvidia long and hard ass fucking they deserve after falling time and time for marketing. Nvidia has proven that gamers are sheep who deserve getting price gouged like apple fanboy scum.

>>62181343

Is that why cpus with 8/8 run better in games than 4/4?

Even 4/8 run better than 4/4. So please kindly go suck your father's clit.

>>62184173
Falling for what? Are you mentally ill or did you get to such a pathetic point in your meaningless life that you're trying to tell yourself that AMD is somehow more worth it than Nvidia right now? Joke.

>>62182279
Me too

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>>62183832

>>62184213
marketing tricks that most of /g/ can recall: 3.5+0.5, crysis and TESSELATION, datamining with geforce experience, special press drivers lowering settings during game without changing in game settings.

I did not metnion novideo sucks amd rox anywhere.... You took my aproval on long term planing on AyyMD part as nvidia bashing? Get your head checked because all those amd vs nvidia threads burned your braincells.

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>>62184373

>>62184173
>le butthurt AMD fanboy smug animuh comment exdeeeeeeeeee!

>>62184213
IT IS FUCKING WORTH IT KILL YOURSELF FAGGGGGITTTTT

>>62184373
I wonder if this was actualy a subtle way of AMD telling us the power consumption (volta) on these cards would suck.

>>62176779
>all these flaws and I still can't buy one

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>>62184462
Here have another smug face for the road back to /v/.

>>62184510
epic xD

>>62176779
Are they fucking stupid? They could be making profit buy selling those cards to miner at 100$ profit instead they choose to sell at loss?

>>62183832
>unironically listening to shills on /g/
nvidia pascal is leaps and bounds ahead of the previous generation. it was unrealistic to expect that vega would be better

>>62184904
See
>>62184373

>>62184173
>AMD hypes up a shit product
>fail to live up to the hype and it's a piece of shit
>"Hurr fuck Nvidia, Nvidia buyers are stupid hurrdurrp"

Dem sour grapes

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>>62184173
Yes, it's gamers fault for wanting a legit alternative to the Nvidia monopoly. It's gamers fault for wanting a functioning GPU and getting fucked up drivers, insanely hot and power consuming chips, and shitty performance because AMD has no answer to Gameworks. Often times all three. Why would anyone bother with this literal shit tier of a company that can't produce a single competitive chip?

So blame gamers for not buying the shitty, inferior product. It doesn't change the fact that they are buying a better product and enjoying their product much more than AMD has offered in the past ten years.

>>62185339
>shitty performance

yes, it is the gamers fault. Computer processing power has exploded in an never seen before manner in the last decades. Still, uncreative pricks like yourself have no use for it aside from muh gaymuhs and private bitcoin mining. You are a disgrace and you are ruining an industry with claims that one or the other chip is an inferioir product.

>>62185386
What a faggot. Why buy a GPU if not for rendering? What other use do I need other than that in my day to day life? I'm not trying to crack open fucking cryptography cyphers. So once again you AMDfags, blame everyone else, including customers now, for AMD dropping a pile of shit and trying to sell it to the customer.

>>62185339
>because AMD has no answer to Gameworks.
are you fucking listening to yourself goy

of course they have no answer to Gameworks it's fucking vendor lock-in

does Apple have an answer to Active Directory?

>>62185487
The strategy seems to have been; Develop a compute card, then shit on it and sell it as a 'gaming' card.

>>62185530
HAHAHA! Vendor lock-in for what? It's a single purchase game. It's not a recurring fucking purchase. Understand what the fuck you are talking about, you can't even use goy right for fucks sake.

>>62185559
Which would have been fine if they never offered a consumer version. But because Radeon is ran by dumb fucks they gave us the hot steaming turd that is Vega.

Navi is going to be an even bigger disaster.

>>62185669
>Vega
>compute
>turd
?

>>62176779

post yfw leather jacket man is buying all Vega stock, essentially bankrupting AMD overnight

>>62185638
Not the anon you are talking to but are you for real?

>>62185339
You talk like far far behind nvidia in perofmance while in reality they are breathing down their neck with half of their RND budget while having to spend that money on cpu development too.
on gimpworks - they had some middle ware but nothing like NVIDIA where they spent huge dosh on their eningeer death squads to do heavy lifting for game devs.

Crimson drivers were like fresh spring water after traveling Catalyst Cancer Center desert so your lack knowedgle of how situation changed shows you rarely have to deal with computers different than your own..

Matter of GCN and it's descendants power hunger caused by gay stock voltages is discussed daily so if you want reminder use search function on archive.

>>62185731
I bet fucker is making alt coin mining rigs with them "just in case".

>>62185735
Do you not understand what vendor lock in is? It isn't Gameworks. Gameworks is a shitty black box that supplants traditional developer work with a custom .dll blob that Nvidia can manipulate on the fly with driver updates. That isn't vendor lock in. You don't get to redefine words as they suit you.

>>62185695
>Consumer cards needing compute over rendering speed and quality
?

>>62185878
you sir are an idiot. you just mentioned what software vendor lock in looks like.. If they decide to drop it any day devs are stitting with their dicks in their hands and have to rewrite from scratch because magic sauce is not available....

>>62185956
Drop what? Already existing code? What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>62185878
>rendering speed
Oh fuck.

>>62179315

>SLI Disabled
>Crossfire Disabled
Pussy

>>62186040
Games are like snapshots of work done on particular game engine. Devs are doing work continously just look at your favorite Toddware you /v/ermin they are milking game byro for quite few years. Retraining programmers for new technology takes time.
Some day nvidia executives decide to do change in drivers support for gameworks to make old versions incopatible with new cards to twist studios arm into getting new versions of middleware and patching game.

>>62176779
amd does not sell at a loss

There was already a much smarter, much more detailed article on HBM2 costs by Gamersnexus.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3032-vega-56-cost-of-hbm2-and-necessity-to-use-it

Fudzilla is trash.

>>62186367
Fuck off, Steve.

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>>62186237
Hahahahahahahahahahaha! And you have the audacity to call me a /v/ermin you leddit faggot. You don't even understand basic software development.

>>62186237
>Some day nvidia executives decide to do change in drivers support for gameworks to make old versions incopatible with new cards to twist studios arm into getting new versions of middleware and patching game.
This will never happen.

>>62186367
Tl;dr

>>62183231
You had a shit PSU, I ran OC'd 290X CF on a 850W PSU, 4.7GHz 4790K too and the power draw at the wall in games with the GPUs at 100% load was around 800W, accounting for the PSU's own losses that means the components were probably pulling about 700W.

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>>62176779
>>slower than the competition
>Herp derp, muh 2 extra fps

Meanwhile the benchmark that actually makes you money is higher.

>>62187544
>mining
>makes you money
Hilarious

>>62185878
>Gameworks is a shitty black box that supplants traditional developer work with a custom .dll blob that Nvidia can manipulate on the fly with driver updates.
Stop pretending to know anything about software development

>>62183731
Is there a source on the MS/Sony funding the semi custom stuff? I thought the semi custom business was just an extention of having created decent APUs at last and then making it all modular and allowing customers to pick and choose what they want. MS for example went with 4+14 cu with ddr3 and the special part they added was the EDram no? Sony went straightfoward as fuck with nothing extra apart from gddr5 instead of ddr3.

Polaris was also created with modularity in mind, seeing as how xbonex and ps4pro have different parts of the design despite both being polaris in nature. Any money gained from this seems like it's what created infinity fabric as it seems like the logical conclusion to that kind of development and taking it to 11 allowing true hsa over and phy even including ethernet.

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>>62184373
God, I hate AMD marketing...

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>>62176779

>fudzilla

>>62187914
As someone who works near the marketing, you shouldn't like anyone or anything involved in marketing. Either their incompetence or morality. Nothing is good.

yep vegav is shit,
but ryzen pretty good
and rx 570, 580, 470 , 480 out of stock!!

>>62183437

Funny. I've had 290x from launch. Not a single issue.

>>62188225
I've had a 290 since a while after launch. I think I just broke some of the sensors in it whilst messing with the settings and running furmark to test. But that's my fault and not amd's probably.

>>62183578

Either you are the unluckiest guy ever. Or you are full of Shit.

I bought a 290x on on launch. Sure it didn't oc that well and sounded like the neighbours leafblower was in my room. But performance wise it was epic.

3 years later I sold it for the exact same price I bought it. And then I upgraded to a 390x which I got cheap since one of the fans was broken. It also worked like a charm. Until I said Fuck Vega and finally bought a ftw3 1080ti.

But Hawaii was fucking epic for its time. It beats a 1060/580

>>62187693
>he doesn't know how to steal electricity

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>>62188036
Yeah but it's so cringe

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>>62188320
Is this you

>>62183231
You're full of shit about an overclocked 390 drawing 500 watts.

My 390x is overclocked and my entire system draw hovers around 500 watts along with an overclocked 4790k.

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I don't give a fuck. Next up I am gonna flash the RX Vega 64 BIOS and get me some of those sweet Firestrike scores. Gaming? Nah I just like to measure epeen.

>>62183578
Protip: your shit malfunctioning PSU raped 3 graphics cards and then killed itself

>>62181357
>everyone is a designer rendering videos 24/7

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>>62183352
>Ryzen was a pretty shit release
UMA

>>62179476
>Nvidia
>based

Kek, they're the most anti - consumer of them all, but okei.

>>62189246
nicely meme'd amd shareholder

>>62189095
Your memes don't save that only one type of memory worked at launch. Mother boards had Beta at best BIOS. And Windows had to be patched twiced.

It was far from smooth.

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>>62189323
What of it?

>>62186141
How do you cross-sli an AMD card with a Nvidio

>>62189486
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3036760/hardware/the-impossible-has-happened-radeon-and-geforce-come-together-in-directx-12.html

>>62189426
nvidia isn't "anti-consumer" at all, that's some communist-tier thinking, fact is they have the better gpu technology and they have the best consumer offering, rtg just can't keep up

>>62189557
>I don't know anything about the gpu industry, besides benchmarks

I remember being this new.

It's almost always been
>AMD is incompetent, Nvidia is evil

Read up on the subject, especially the Tessalation shenanigans pulled with Crysis 3 and other games like Arkham Knight, goyworks in general, how AMD handles libraries vs how Nvidia does, proprietary G-Sync vs arguably superior Freesync, etc.

There's a ton of stuff, and that's just off the top of my head. Nvidia are assholes, regardless of how much better X gen is than AMD competition.

I fucking told you the real price of Vega 64 was $600+
I told you assholes AMD would be selling at a loss at the $500 price point.
But noone believed me.

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>>62189646
>the Tessalation shenanigans pulled with Crysis 3 and other games like Arkham Knight, goyworks in general, how AMD handles libraries vs how Nvidia does, proprietary G-Sync vs arguably superior Freesync, etc.

>>62189647
it doesn't matter what these underage shitkids and amd shareholder manchildren think

>>62189418
As far as launches with a completely new architecture go, it wasn't that bad. I had similar problems with my i7-920 at launch. Had to go through several sticks of RAM before I found one that worked. And had to swap mobos because one was giving insane amounts of coil whine at 0% CPU usage.

>>62189660
>the absurd amount of tesselation in crysis 3 is a lie
(You)

>>62189781
it's one of those things that could easily be overlooked during the development of a game, and tessellation was pretty new at the time

>>62189830
>tesselating literally an entire ocean that is completely out of view that gives a 15% hit on Nvidia and a > 30% 5 on AMD
>easily overlooked

What about Batman AK?
>tesselating the shit out of the cape which takes up around 50% of screen real estate every time you glide, which is most of the game
>tesselating FLAT FUCKING ROADS

>>62189892
stay mad lol

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>>62189660
>tfw a flat slab of concrete is the most complex object in the scene in terms of polygons
le_thinking_face.jpg

>>62189900
Waste of dubs and life

>>62189902
so the QA on mass effect andromeda gets a free pass because it doesn't btfo amd in particular

>>62179476
>>62189323
>>62189557
>>62189677
>>62189830
>>62189900
>>62189929
Kill yourself, retard.

>>62189929
Never said that my good shill.

t. 1070 owner

>>62189646
>Tessalation shenanigans
Any chance you'd happen to know which modern games commonly used for GPU benchmarks are tessellation heavy? Is there a list of these somewhere? I know GTA V and Watch Dogs 2 are, but I have no idea which other games are.

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Fuck oof OP
>buys 56
>undervolt
>overclock
>shit's better than ANY 1080
enjoy your overpriced 1070 faggots

>>62183335
Nvidia has gross margins around 60% and high end GPUs have bigger margins than low end GPUs.

>>62190289
I always wondered why does that kid run 3 sepperete instances of Minecraft

>>62190320
Triple the autism.

>>62188333
AMD's GPU marketing makes no sense at all, why the fuck would you use Central/South American communist aesthetic to market a gaming GPU? Because if there's one thing enthusiast gamers love, it's Che and communism right? Their Ryzen marketing was so much better, they accused Intel of ripping off consumers and stagnating the CPU market, which is true. Their GPU marketing is a disaster.

>>62189647
If AMD wants charge $600+ for a GPU they need to improve their fucking drivers. The 1070 is overpriced currently due to miners but the 1080 is close to its $500 MSRP, it absolutely rapes the 64 in price to performance currently. Yeah you can see hints of Vega's potential in a few games, but the abysmal performance in PUBG and GTA V are killing RTG.

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>>62183407
My Rx580 and Ryzen 1700x with Noctua d15 does a great fucking job. I kek at the thought of getting an Nvidia GPU thanks, but no thanks.

>>62190369
Everything about the GPU division is a disaster.

I really don't understand how raja still has a job

>>62181343
SOPA

>>62190369
actually it kinda makes sense. /g/ losers see amd as the lovable underdog and nvidia as the anti-consumer evil corporation

>>62183224

>This combo's OCing

>>62176779

That doesn't smell right. High-end GPUs are never sold at ultra-tight margins. They are sold at low-volume, high-margins. AMD is certainly making $$$$ on Vega but it is small change because the real money is via mass volume in the mid-range. Nvidia is rocking the mid-range via 1060 and 1070s and making a massive revenue from them.

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>>62190369
Hi comrades!

>>62190989
AMD is sold out at the mid range it's too fucking hard to get an rx470, rx570, rx480, and rx580. It's stupid they can't put a similar effort in the Vega line, but whatever Nvidia has always had better high tier products.

>>62191139
>always
If :"always" is code for "since the 600 series" then sure, you're right. Otherwise, you obviously don't remember the literal stutterfire that was Fermi or the underperfoming jet engine that was the 5800 Ultra.
Point being, at some point AMD ran out of money to compete with Nvidia in the high end video card market, and all too coincidentally it was right after the clusterthreading clusterfuck that was FailDozer reached hardware market shelves and eternal infamy.
But even when AMD was significantly outperfoming Nvidia, Nvidia was still selling more stock. Because mindshare, marketing, and (un)paid shills on /g/.

>>62190662
Imagine fucking up this bad at your job. Repeatedly.

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guess that's what happens when you abuse the fuck out of h1b visas and pay curry niggers minimum wage to make your products. at least they had sense enough to hire a single white guy to design ryzen

>>62177215
Infinity Fabric is already partially implemented in Vega

>>62189089
>everyone is a manchild who has gaming as a hobby
>implying only rendering utilizes good multi threading
Wow, it's almost like you really don't belong on this board, perhaps /v/ is more your speed?

>>62183478
>>62183578
>Buy cheap chinkshit PSU
>"Why are my GPUs dying??? :("

>>62192572
I had CFX 5970s back in the day, and they killed a corsair 1200w PS.
Apparently when overclocked, they consumed close to 1,000W.
And Corsair made high quality shit back in 2010.

>>62191581
Neither Keller nor Raja designed Ryzen or Vega respectively. They're VPs and "head/chief architects", which basically just means they're technical project managers.

>>62191581
RTG is a Chinese team at the Beijing headquarters.

Keller designed infinity fabric, which is a big part of what makes ryzen such an upset and might even do the same to AMD's GPU's.

Raja was probably promoted ahead of his actual competence and should go back to taking orders instead of giving them.

Just sell RTG to Apple already.

>>62192874
He was the director of Apple's graphics division. He's probably a better manager than an engineer.

Vega is not bad, Pascal is just too damn good. Power efficiency on Pascal is just god tier, even with GDDRX5

>>62189089
how about compiling you tard? the most appealing thing about ryzen is make -j16.

>>62192881
>AMD should just sell the only division that was profitable and basically carrying the entire company on its shoulders while bulldozer was dragging the company down!
>AMD should give up all of their sweet multi-billion $$$ patents on GPUs, stacked dies, and HBM controller and integration schemes to a company that'll do nothing with them
>AMD should give up their great semi-custom scheme that lets them design GPUs for basically free while getting a little icing on top from their large partners like MS and Sony
>AMD should stop trying to create desktop SOCs and let Nvidia have a try!
>No my name isn't (((Jen-Hsun)))

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>>62176779
someone saved and posted my oc I can rest in peace now.

>amd shills overhype x before release and claiming "based" raja knows what he's doing
>x flops
>"raja had nothing to do with x, wait for y"

Rinse and repeat

>>62176779
Can they just fire Raja and get a real engineer in there

>>62181343
Are you serious?
>>>/V/

>>62194532
When AMD bought ATI they fired almost all their previous engineers.

>>62194601
lol wtf

>>62188300
290 had memory problems
390 had a terrible cooler
390x sucked down like 50 amps and my psu could only do 30a

So a mixture of hardware failiure and PEBKAC but even still amd's power usage is insane for a consumer card.

>>62192572
it was a $400 Zalman 850watt from 2010

Also had a very expensive Silverstone 1kw unit blow after 3 years running a paltry 6970 and a day on a 770

>>62194798
>$400 psu
>implying zalman and silverstone aren't chinky

>>62194937
i thought seasonic psus where based?

Guess they where just old and designed for older cards that only draw 200watt or so

>>62194498
Don't forget how they backpedal on the hype saying how it was always meant to be shit and how nobody promised anything better.

>>62194601
Wrong.

More to the point, Raja WAS one of those original employees...
He was also ArtX alumni...

>>62194498
This.

Vega is just a prosumer card with Vega front end whacked on it for muh gamers.

Meanwhile the compute based nvme ssd one is insanely good for Enterprise.

Why the fuck amd released this and not big Polaris I don't know.

Even the name is uninspiring Vega 56 Vega 64 and yet they struggled to reach 1070-1080 even when overclocked using double the power putting out twice the heat

>>62195584
Ye, R300 is his baby.
>>62195669
No, Vega is for all things threedee.
But it needs software.
Like really, it's the first step towards software defined GPU since forever and they shipped it with no software.

>>62195965
It's literally designed for compute heavy workloads and not games

Hence why they are meming this primative shaders bullshit to try and make use of all the unused compute power

>>62196041
Except that's literally just the meme being pushed now by amdfanbois to save face.

The Drawstream binning Rasterizer is a feature entirely designed for gaming, it doesn't help compute or professional 3D loads at all, it's for games, it's one of the reasons Vega is so fucking large even compared to Fiji.
It's not working at all right now.

RTG software team in India fucked this shit up (yes, Vega drivers were made in India, this isn't a joke at all)

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How hard do you think Lisa is pegging his shit smeared butthole as punishment for this fuckup? Will he be fired soon?

Press S to spit on his grave.

S

>>62188132
many such cases!

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>>62192658
>And Corsair made high quality shit back in 2010
Aww, sweetie Corsair PSU's have always been bad.

>responding to an avatarfag OP

All of you are idiots.

>>62196041
>merging non-Pixel Shaders is compute
>tiling is compute
?
>>62196081
No, it's pipelining that bloats the die size.

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>>62192658
>>62194798
>>62195026

See >>62188300

GPUs simply don't blow PSUs. If anything, it's the other way around. Reputable manufacturers/units always provide proper circuit protection preventing just that.

If your PSU dies from overcurrent instead of switching off at a critical amount, that protection just failed or has never been there.

>>62194788
>290 had memory problems

That was/is a driver problem.

>390 had a terrible cooler

The reference model had, but if you unironically bought that, you need to get the fuck off this board.

>390x sucked down like 50 amps and my psu could only do 30a

50A on 12V equals 600W, which happened on a total system load at best. If your PSU could only do 30, you had a 400W power supply at best, and shouldn't have used a 390X with that.

>>62196440
There are no Corsair PSUs, their name is purely branding on them. Whether they're bad would depend on which OEM the PSU in question is manufactured by, as Corsair uses like 3 different OEMs.
The "Corsair" Seaonic units are just as good as Seasonic branded Seasonic PSUs, for instance.

>>62196846
It was some sli certified gold 850 watt zalman it had 4 30 amp rails

>>62196840
Why hasn't it launched with it enabled even after a stupidity long delay of over a year.

AMD royally fucked up

>>62197166
Because
>merging non-Pixel Shaders is compute
is fucking difficult.

>>62197172
Over a year ? Thats beyond difficult that's insane.

They need to fire the rtg driver team and hire better poos

>>62197186
Firing code monkeys and then hire more code monkeys won't solve the problem.
They really simply need moar code monkeys.

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>fudzilla
>everyone takes the bait

>>62196242
I elect to eat a Bacon Double Cheeseburger near him.

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>>62197149
Then it should've had proper distribution among its rails, 30A is enough for any stock 390X, as even Tom's lists them around 300W.

You've either bought a lemon or actually received a faulty unit you should've claimed warranty and damages for.

>>62183231
>>62183437
>>62188265

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/powercolor-devil-r9-390x,4344-4.html

You /v/ babbies need to leave this board and go back to r/buildapc where you can spout about your autistic choices resulting from tech illiteracy and poor research.

Even the cheapest OEM shit (Something like an FSP GHN) my company supplies has like a 3% RMA rate tops. You're doing it wrong.

>>62195584
He's right tho. Rtg China is a new team. Even the leads for GCN were fired

>>62198220
ATi always used these chinks for grunt work.
Cypress was made by chinks.

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>>62184373
this didn't age well tho..

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>>62189418
so whats your /v/erdict on x299 launch, Bettynho?

>>62177281
*bottlenecks your card*

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>>62191581
>go for a bowl of hot curry
THE POO'S ARE ON THE LOO'S

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>>62194063
well done anon, well done..

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>>62198347

>>62198380
That's a big die :DDDDDDDD

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>>62198401

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>>62198358
*cucks your shit up*

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>>62198389
>Support for RAID 0 NVMe arrays is free, but you have to shell out $99 for a physical VROC key to plug into the header to unlock RAID 1 and RAID 10. For RAID 5, there's a more expensive key (we heard both $199 and $299 are possible). These keys aren't being channeled through motherboard manufacturers, so as far as we know Intel will be selling them directly.
OY VEY raid aint free, goyim

>>62198401
4 U *bogerface*

>>62183231
>7970 was legit the last good videocard they made.
This so much. Glad i'm not the only only who thought that way.

>>62198475
Thanks! Have an Upvote, my friend.

>Retards actually believe this
>Retards actually think that a graphics cards business would sell their cards at a $100 loss per card

>>62198475
>Disregarding the 290/390s and 580s(not the 480).
Sure faggots, whatever you say

>>62198060
PC was brand new you autistic faggot there was nothing wrong with it.

Sometimes psus just fail it was 7 years old.

Stupid miner faggot

>>62198269
Different chinks. The Beijing hq wasn't even around for either company back when ATI was a thing

>>62181867
>video game journalism
Filthy Frank said it best

>>62176779
I can only assume that by "our industry sources" he means "the voices in my head"

>>62184373

It's amazing how fast the AMD crowd switched from lauding Vega as the Volta destroyer to saying it was always meant to compete with Pascal and how it's no big deal it came a year and half too late and has absolutely nothing going for it except the fact it's not made by nvidia.

>>62199393
Lol this

T. Ex 390x owner

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>>62199393
>own fury x
>vega gets hyped up
>think "oh boy, if it's going to be that fast then I'll upgrade it and enjoy games at 4k 60 fps!"
>close to release
>all those leaks indicating 1080 tier performance
>release happens
>it's all true
>power-hungry as well
>costs more than a 1080 ti where I live
>mfw

>>62199393
wait for drivers™

>>62176779
these niggers are getting a 300% above expectation return on every 470 480 570 580, who gives a fuck

>>62199638
Same, I ended up just buying the 1080 ti since navi and volta are over 8 months away. I really wanted vega to be my 4k gaming card, but instead they forced me to nvidia and gsync.

>>62198788
>PC was brand new you autistic faggot there was nothing wrong with it.

Which doesn't say anything about the specific components or your setup at all.

>Sometimes psus just fail it was 7 years old.

And? You've claimed the GPU specifically fried your PSU.

>Stupid miner faggot

What does that have to do with mining?

You're a tech illiterate /v/ideo game baby who blames others for his own retardation. Get >>>/out/

>>62199060
sam hyde has been dropping some redpills too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D475tUzbodk

>>62199393
we knew 6 months ago that Vega was going to fall short of the 1080 Ti. it was pretty fucking obvious based on AMD's bullshit presentations. the only surprise was the batshit insane power draw.

>>62199812
>we
Who?
And the software is still unfinished anyway.

>>62199812
That's bullshit, after the Vega FE's launch and underwhelming gayming benchmarks everyone here was screaming "it's not a gaming card!" and telling people to wait for RX Vega. Retards legitimately thought RX Vega would be significantly different than Vega FE.

>>62199910
It's the same chip.
Everyone assumed the software will be ready for launch, but it's not.

>>62199638
A fucking 56 costs more than a 1080 in aus and there is fuck all stock of any Vega due to fucking miners scum selling off 1060-1080s

On the upside 1080s are cheap and roast Vega 64

>>62198500
It explains the sudden hundred dollar price hike.

>>62198500
it's not that simple shitface. they're paying for r&d and foundry slots etc, so if they can't charge full price they can still be better off selling them at a "loss"

Begs the question why launch at all ? This is the ultimate paper launch since it's months late and still no real stock or drivers working dsbr prim shaders or anything worth shit.

It's like rocking up to a cooking competition with a half baked cake what's half eaten and 16 months old

>>62201063
Shareholders.
Though no one really cares about Vega since the entire Zen lineup is absolutely MURDERING Intel.
Also ThinkPad A275/A475 are Q4 2017.

>>62201063
They had to find a way to sell Freesync monitors, Seriously retailers were just stuck with a bunch of 1440p/144hz monitors that no AMD GPU's could really drive effectively except the Fury X..

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>>62177411
>intel