/HD600/ -- Sennheiser HD600 General

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>>62161127
Reminder:

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>>62161127
Idol trash here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

>>62161154
>reposting confirmed niggerbass lover
>confirmed by the poster himself
>still doing it
ffs, anon.

>>62161254
Source? :^)

>>62161262
The thread the pic came from, you troll.

>>62161254
if loving niggerbass is bad then I don't want to love at all

>>62161280
So no source? Tsk, tsk, tsk...

>>62161287
Nobody's said it is bad, we're PC here.
Just, HD600 isn't for melanin-enriched people.

>>62161329
So is the HD600 more or less bassy than K712?
I have K7xx and I enjoy their lack of base compared to my gaymen headphones.

>>62161127
>HD600
best headphones ever.

>>62161402
Definitely less. Surprisingly not that much less, but less.
>gaymen headphones
Are terrible, terrible, terrible.

>>62161419
Pic + timestamp

>>62161423
I will always wonder if I made the right choice.
I brought the K7xx for the headband and cups review.

>>62161450
Those earcups are god-tier

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Comfort level 9000 with glasses

>>62161450
They are decent, and the "xx" version was quite the good deal.
Of course, HD600 are still better, particularly if you care about the midrange, strings, female vocals and all that.

>These are not ordinary headphones that use a coil of wire inside a magnet glued to a heavy diaphragm, like mass-market products from Sennheiser, Ultrasone and Beyer. These are electrostatic headphones. Electrostatic technology is far superior for reproducing sound. Comparing the performance of one completely different technology to another, like electrostatic to dynamic transducers, is like comparing the speed of a bicycle to the speed of a car. Even if you've got Lance Armstrong's brand-new million dollar bicycle, my beater 1974 slant-six Plymouth Duster goes a lot faster and farther.

http://kenrockwell.com/audio/stax/sr-x-mark-3.htm

What did he mean by this?

>>62161492
>earspeakers!!!!!

>>62161127
HD650 > HD600

>>62161576
No.
HD600 > HD650.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaR34WTjYt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Es9S9tXTY

Okay, using them since october,I got them because I loved my 598s.
HD600 are good, even for games. But I can see why some people wouldn't like them. It strictly depends what you listen to with it.

>>62161604
>It strictly depends what you listen to with it.
Neutral, so seriously shouldn't.
Are you using an external dac+amp?

>>62161591
>reddit reviewer
>fat guy
Opinion discarded.

>>62161731
>reddit reviewer
No comment.
>fat guy
That guy is literally our lord and saviour, you blasphemer.

>>62161731
>fat guy
That's till.

Have shure215 and hd600. Don't like the stock cables for either. What are some good ones?
preferably "fabric" and "anti-tangle" for both and a mic for the shure.

Related question, will the cables have a huge effect on the sound quality? Can't imagine that it'd be too bad so long as the electricity gets there.

Complete newbie. How do I start eqing?

>>62162022
By not doing it at all. If your setup sounds shit out of the box then the product is shit. It should be perfect already.

>>62161635
>Are you using an external dac+amp?
Motherboard or dac/amp shouldn't make one likes or dislikes the HD600, the sound is going to be the same, the dac/amp combo will just make it so you can increase the volume more that's all, not make a pair of headphones sound any better.

Stop spreading lies.

Source : tested HD600 on a mobo and they hurt my ears.

Newfag here, how do you power high impedance headphones on the go? Are there DAPs that can do the job?

>>62162076
thought I was missing out on something by not doing it. I have hd600 and I like them.

>>62162207
>the sound is going to be the same
Almost, except dac+amps seem like magic sometimes, particularly if the mobo was flawed in the first place (which is less common these days, but still somewhat common).
https://nwavguy.blogspot.ie/2011/09/more-power.html
I'd say the bottomline is to get a trustworthy dac+amp thingy (such as fulla2) and see if it helps.

>>62162243
There is also output impedance to consider wrt mobo dacs vs outboard amp

https://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/application_notes/11653109-the-0-ohm-headphone-amplifier

>>62161635
smsl m6, it's okay
you say it's neutral, but these headphones like complicated melody or voice, what people usually post in YGYL threads doesn't fly on them at all

>>62162341
They're also well-balanced, they do everything well and nothing badly.
Rather than saying they prefer complex sound, I'd say that simple sound will sound simple (as it is simple), and won't really make the headphones justice.
Bad masterings will sound bad. Bad recordings will be exposed as such. Like taking the red pill (HD600).
Many will rather take the blue pill and use somewhat colored headphones like the Fidelio X2 or the HD650.

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But why get anything but the HD598's? They're comfortable, don't require a DAC, great build quality, and they won't break the bank.

>>62162423
>HD598
I liked them. I'm used to HD600 now. When I put the HD598, they're not so good anymore. They were good because I didn't know any better. They are still very good, for the price.
>don't require a DAC
Sure they do, if you want to play digital music that is.
>an AMP
They have low impedance and high variation in impedance across frequency range, so your average high impedance output will damage the FR pretty badly. They don't need much power, so any amp with a low impedance output will do. But they sound WAY better with an amp (any amp) than from a standard computer output, if the motherboard doesn't have a headphone amp.
>great quality
Yup, and replacement parts available should you manage to destroy something regardless.
>they won't break the bank
Budget depends on person but they're often less than $100, very affordable. Just keep in mind they're near identical to the often much cheaper HD558.
>comfortable
Absolutely.

Is it safe to call the HD600 a 'slow burn' headphone?

When I first got them I found them to be fairly uninspiring. Slightly better than my old AD700X, bit warmer and more natural sounding, but that's all. Now after using them for 2 years the AD700X and anything around that range sound noticeably bad to me.

Headphone general thread up for people who want to discuss headphones and not just shitpost >>62162499

What is the HD600 of IEMs?

>>62162526

But the soundstage of hd598 is much bigger.

That's the reason I like 598s more than 600s.

>>62162736
A slow bummer.

>>62162736
Pretty safe. It took me 10 years of pain and effort to get used to HD600, but it was worth it, now I too can be a member of elite club of NEET shitposters on /hpg/

So I just got my pair of Monoprice M560 and these earpads have earholes that doesn't even fit my entire ear, the outline looks like a fucking capsule, but with the way these earpads connect I highly doubt I can find replacements unless there are newer version earpads, anybody with these headphones that has had these problems got around it?

>>62162969
How is using headphones you don't like for 10 years worth it in any way?

>>62161960
In general, not really as long as the cable is adequate. $200 cables are snake oil.

Microphonics (noise you hear through the cable not unlike a tin can telephone) is a different matter and are important for IEMs especially if you're running or something. Watch out for the impendance of the cables, apparently those can make an audible difference for IEMs too.

>>62163007
the harsh peak in a good headphone will mellow out after a month or so

im kidding btw.

>>62163226
>the harsh peak in a good headphone will mellow out after a month or so
Source?

>>62163236
anon im not good at making jokes

im sorry...

>>62161464
I got these aswell, most comfy headphone i've ever tried.

>>62163251
Why are you doing this to me? >＿<

>>62163007
It's worth it because /hpg/ told me HD600 is best, and I must make my purchase decisions based on sheeple mentality found on /g/

>>62163297
So you're saying there are better headphones out there?

Name them all then.

>>62163403
HD650

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>>62162977
Pic related, wtf are these

>>62163403
Obviously there are, but that's besides the point. HD600 are the best midfi headphones but not the best headphones overall.
Anyway this is thread for shitposting, not discussion of headphones, so I'm not going to discuss anything.

>>62163297
>>62163490
I just know that I'm going to end up winning an auction for a broken headband HD600 only to find that, as expected, they are essentially shit compared to lower priced Stax, and that you folk are retarded as I preconceived.

Reminder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzyMlJ6cERg

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I have a Xonar U3
What headphones should I get for gaming?

Beyerdynamic DT 880 Edition

Sennheiser HD 569

>>62163447
someone 3d printed the Opera logo?

>>62162423

>voss
hva er galt med deg?

>>62163490
HD600 + O2 is endgame.

>>62163800
$3 earbuds + EqualizerAPO + PeaceGUI is endgame.

I'm looking to buy wireless earbuds to work out with and just have when walking around town. Was looking online and all the top lists look like meme lists straight off of mkbhd and I learned my lesson on trusting him after my M50s. Don't really care about sound quality that much but better quality would be a plus. What I'm looking for is comfort and good price.

>Budget
Less than $100
>Location
Chicago
>Source
Phone
>Type of headphone
Wireless Bluetooth Earbuds
>Open or closed
n/a
>Comfort level
Preferably comfortable
>Sound signature
Don't mind... Maybe v-shaped
>Past headphones
Audio Technica ATH-M50
Hifiman He-400
Soundmagic Earbuds

>>62161127
How about buying something new instead of this decades old crap?

>>62162526
I've got some HD598, would a DAC/amp improve them significantly? I've been eyeing up a fulla 2 for a while, wondering if it's worth it.

>>62164120
Lipstick on a pig I'm afraid.

>>62164120
DAC/amp never improves anything significantly. It's always subtle change to get the most out of your headphones. I would never consider buying amp for hd598, those headphones are not worth it.
Unless you plan to upgrade HD598 to something else later on.

>>62164177
>DAC/amp never improves anything significantly
This simply isn't true for any headphones I own.

AKG K712 and Denon AH-D2000.

Both are terribly underpowered by my motherboard's integrated sound. At max volume loud scenes in movies still seem far away quiet.
Throw in a decent amp/DAC however and everything opens up, sounds get crisper, whisper quiet scenes in movies are audible even at half volume instead of having to crank it up to 100% and still barely being able to hear.

>>62164177
In other words, it'll be pretty disappointing? Kind of what I wanted to hear. They're getting quite old now though, what would be a good upgrade? Are HD600s really that much better than 598s to be worth buying even when my 598s are still going?

>>62164207
aren't they pretty much the same driver?

>>62164246
No, the HD558 and HD598 share the same drivers, the HD600 drivers are different however.

>>62164207
>Are HD600s really that much better than 598s to be worth buying even when my 598s are still going?
I would say yes, but it depends on your own subjective idea of worth. Here is what I would suggest: go to audio shop, try some headphones, make your own decision, never listen to people in this thread. 90% of people who post here never owned more than 1-2 pairs of headphones that they shill to death. /hpg/ is one of the worst places to get audio recommendations on the internet. That includes my post obviously.

>>62164202
Those are outliers, AKG especially for some reason love making headphones that require small power generators. Their k612 pro for instance sound like shit without amp, and are some of the best sub $300 headphones if provided with decent amp.
Most headphones don't have such high power requirements.

>>62164260
What's the diff? Are they the same dimensions?

>>62164207
>>62164273
Before buying HD650 I've compared them with HD598 in showroom. Also I was total newbie to good audio then. I was driving them from my iphone 6 and still noticed that HD650 were better. Not only their sound signature felt better for me but also clarity or something like that. HD598 had a bit wider soundstage btw.

>>62164120
I was under the notion that they don't really sound any better with an amp, but I bought a dac/amp for when my HD6XX arrives in December, so I thought why not and plugged in my 598's in and I did notice a slight change in sound, that could be placebo though

>>62164280
Honestly I dont know, Sennheiser doesn't publish specs on driver size.

However, where you may be getting confused is sennhesier had the HD 580 which the HD600 was based off of and used the same drivers (but better matched).

>>62162859
Xiaomi Piston 3

In my dreams the amplifiers I buy are single ended tube amps. What does this mean?

>>62165129
Let your inner audiofool out, enjoy the harmonic distortion.

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Headphone general thread up for people who want to discuss headphones and not just shitpost >>62162499
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Headphone general thread up for people who want to discuss headphones and not just shitpost >>62162499
Headphone general thread up for people who want to discuss headphones and not just shitpost >>62162499

>>62165210
I-I feel like I'm taking off an iron diving suit! My tension and stress are peeling away!

I'm going to... go vinyl!

>>62164273
>>62164346
Alright, I'll take a look and see if there's any good headphone shops near me to try them out, cheers for the advice

>>62163637
>LTT
Are Sennshills getting desperate?

>>62163640
DT 880 easily

>>62161127
At least have the decency to put /hpg/ in the title.

>>62165469
ordered sennheiser HD600 instead

>>62165597
Then why didn't you include it in the list? Are you sure I'm talking to the same anon?

>>62165644
impulsive buy

>>62165797
In the span of three hours? Are you sure, anon?

>>62165832
How old are they?

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>>62165865
They are 207s and I got them mid way through their life
I delayed the pads way too long

>>62166005
Halfway through their life being exposed to a radiation source?

My 307 pads are still supple after three years.

>>62161464
They're good. But im tired of mine not being noise cancelling

>>62165862
Yes.
Do you have a better recommendation at that price?

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>>62166075
Between when the 207s came out and when they were discontinued, I dont remember when I bought them
I also had a cable issue so I guess I just got unlucky

>>62166212
Just asking, dude. But why compare the HD 569 to the DT 880? Similar price I assume, so what country do you live in?

>>62166233
My headband went weak and gave up. I had to order and install a replacement which without the exact dowel punch is a three hand job.

What was the cable issue?

>>62166273
The right side started cutting in and out a bit ago. Turned out the actual wire had split inside the rubber coating just below where they go into the unit, no idea how
Next time I do an ear pad change, or if it comes back ill replace the entire cable

Headband has been fine but

>>62166338
You shouldn't need to change earpads more frequently than 10 years.

How do you think they compare to other headphones?

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>>62166393
I use them a lot, 5+ hours most days
That could be whats causing the pads to deteriorate so fast

They are great, great purchase in my opinion. I tried a mates 598s and I didnt enjoy them even though I originally used gayman headsets for music
I dont have the money to upgrade beyond low end lambdas but thats perfectly fine because they are all I really need

>>62166393
Make that 2-5 years depending on your use.

>Budget
I won't spend more than £200 and I'll be getting them used.
>Location
UK.
>Source
Laptop or phone.
>Type of headphone
Over-ear with noise-cancelling.
>Open or closed
Closed.
>Comfort level
Very comfy.
>Sound signature
Neutral is preferable. I primarily want good sound whilst the noise-cancelling is on.
>Past headphones
Sennheiser HD 600.

Am I better off getting IEMs that penetrate deep?

Z, if you are ITT pls get your fat jew ass out of here.

I just had a Hearty Chuckle Who thought this was a good idea

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-Monitor-10-Headphones-Balanced-/202040469814?hash=item2f0a8ce936:g:ZDAAAOSwUaJZpQ7S

who puts a balanced connector on a pair of 40 year old headphones without replacing the wires in the headband and puts velour earpads on a somewhat Bass light headphone?

>>62167039
whatever closed headphones you get for 200 quid or less are going to sound shit compared to the 600.

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

>>62168207
Pic + timestamp

>>62161154
K712 sound like subway muggings and menthol cigarettes.

>>62168345
Post headphones :^)
>Inb4 poorfag

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>>62168398

>>62168460
Holy shit, anon. Why such the large resolution? Pic + timestamp? Also, got any headphones to compare?

>>62168490
Currently i've got Denon AH-D2000 and Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro.

Large res because that's the res my phone defaults to, and the time stamp is in the file name of the picture. my phone's clock runs about 60 seconds fast.

>>62168522
That wouldn't be very fair to
>>62020574 or >>62021036
I'd also like to see your other headphones too

>>62162877
>soundstage
Yes, it's bigger and no, I don't care. HD600 sounds so much better I can't think about the HD598's soundstage where everything sounds far away as anything but cute.

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>>62168579
Denons are at work(sealed cans aren't my preference, but they're needed in the open office) and i'm loaning the beyerdynamics to my brother since they're the lowest end ones.

AKGs are for home use.

HD6xx on order coming whenever massdrop ships the latest order.

>>62168712
Rude! How are the Denons?

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>>62161235

>>62168731
Denons are honestly better than the AKGs in terms of bass accuracy and maybe a little TOO punchy, but closed vs open design is really the biggest factor in that. I prefer the AKGs soundstage however, much much wider. The denons are good for certain types of bass heavy listening, or in my case, general music listening, but sealed back so they don't leak sound.

I listen to a lot of classical music however, so the AKGs win out for music listening and general purpose use when i'm at home and don't need the sealed back to avoid bothering others.

>>62168777
For closed back, would you say they're worth it? I live in a noisy neighbourhood. Or are there better options?

Is AKG 702 a good upgrade over Sennheiser 598?

>>62168867
That's a sidegrade

>>62168867
That's a downgrade.

>>62168867
That's an upgrade

>>62168808
Well the Denons aren't made anymore, I got mine for $230 on amazon back when they were still being produced. Now however Fostex (the company who originally produced the design for Denon) is making it under the Fostex TH610, and it goes for $500+.

At that price they aren't bad, but I personally wouldn't invest the money. Especially since they also need a decent amp to power them so if you dont already have a decent amp you'd have to buy one as well.

Budget is 200

Give me the best of the best around the price.

>>62168923
DT 880

>>62168923
$3 earbuds + EqualizerAPO + PeaceGUI

>>62168867
HD600 is your natural upgrade path.

>>62168867
No

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>>62168933
He said best, not worst.

>>62168923
HD579

>>62168979
Then eq out the treble peak? They're they best sounding headphone at that price point

>>62168808
It is not ideal. The isolation is very low, as it is porous by design.

>>62168917
The company name is Foster. Fostex brand is for consumer products.
I do not believe they are of the same design.
They are built on a similar frame made by Foster. But not quite the same.
Denon has started to sell newer version of the Foster OEM headphones.
E-Mu sells their own version as well.

>>62168960
I have a Fiio E7. Would that be enough to power a 600? Would be using them for my PC

>>62169055
>Denon has started to sell newer version of the Foster OEM headphones
Pretty sure it's just the TH900 with wooden ear cups.

Just like the TH900 is just AH-D5000/7000 drivers.

>>62168994
Stop recommending those redditphones, they are shit.

>>62169146
prove it.

>>62169071
https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/sennheiser/hd-600/with/fiio/andes-e07k
Probably. If it's not loud enough you could get a line out dock for the E7 and connect it to a Magni 2.

>>62168923
hd579

>>62168923
DT 880. What are your current headphones anyway?

>>62168923

Sennheiser HD579, obviously.

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Oh, look, the samefagging Beyershill is back shilling his shitty retard treble cannons.

>>62169103
>TH900 is just AH-D5000/7000 drivers
I do not keep track of models so carefully. Foster does only sell one base wood model, and only easily visible difference are made with lacquer coating and the like.
The response looks very different, so I do not quite believe you right off.

>>62169296
Stupid website is stupid. Audiobot doesn't actually work.

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>>62168998
>They're they best sounding headphone at that price point
For those with severe high frequency hearing loss.

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>>62169399
>Being this triggered
Why? I don't see anyone calling samefag on the HD 579s

>>62168923
The DT 880s sound better, but the HD 579s are comfier. If you have an issue with treble, then eq them; it's that easy

>>62169399
If you are going to call samefag, call out obvious Senshill ones too.

>>62169433
Then eq out the peaks? Kek. What's with the need to shitpost?
>>62169441

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Friends don't let friends buy Beyerdynamics.

>>62169474
>Someone recommends Beyerdynamics
>Sennheiser shitposting pops up
Kek. What the hell?

>>62169441
>The DT 880s sound better
If you have severe high frequency loss.
>the HD 579s are comfier. If you have an issue with treble, then eq them
So you're admitting that HD579 are better because they're comfier (and have a detachable cable and better build quality) and you can make any headphones sound however you want with EQ? Got it.

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HD579 build quality.

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DT880 build quality.

>>62169496
Are you retarded? If you have a problem with the DT 880's treble peak, then eq them! Look how close it is to the HD 600
>>62169441

>>62169533
Poorly sealed HD600 measurement, thus an invalid comparison. Diffuse field compensation and smoothing are also misleadingly kind to the DT880's ear-raping treble peak there.

>>62168777
>I prefer the AKGs soundstage however, much much wider.
I've had the occasion to listen to K702 and K240S, both have indeed a very large soundstage. Is there a special feature of AKG headphones that accounts for this wide soundstage?

>>62169532
That isn't an issue. All headphones eventually break, but the question is, when? They last long and are cheap to replace. Stop being bias

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>>62169517
>HD 579

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>DT880
>good
Ear-raping treble.

>>62169550
Oh for fucks sake, anon. This is the excuse every time. They are bright headphones, but no way are they ear rapey. Stop shitposting; what headphones do you own?

>>62169569
Then eq the peaks? Source on pic?

>>62169559
HD579 has functionally identical physical construction to the headphone in that .webm. You can do the same thing to the HD579. There are two physical variants of the recent HD5XX series. Ones like the HD558 with the plastic headband you can't do that to. Ones like the HD598 with the visible stitching in the headband, you can. HD579 belongs to the latter.

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>>62169517
>>62169532
???

>>62169588
>then EQ
If you're just going to use EQ then HD579 is clearly a better choice as it's more comfortable and built much better with a detachable cable. If you're not going to EQ then HD579 is clearly a better choice because no ear-raping treble.

>>62169607
it's almost like you WANT the pads to go flat

Need a pair of good earbuds, any recommendation? Not soooooo expensive.

>>62169607
The problem with the DT770/880/990 hinges isn't a short-term one, it's a long-term one. Long term use causes stress fractures in the hinges. HD5XX series hasn't had a long-term stress fracture issue since Sennheiser reformulated the plastic.

>>62169659
>Long term
Then thank god they literally cost $30 to replace!

>>62169569
Poorly sealed.

>>62169634
Three slider bars are all you need, not to mention, there hasn't been many graphs on the HD 579, if at all

What the fuck? Why are Sennbabies so insecure about their brand? Fucking recommend the headphones and move on. Anon will take a look at his options and choose the best option based on his need. Stop shitposting

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>>62169679
We have enough information to determine that HD579 is simply an HD598 with better bass extension.
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sennheiser/hd-599
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sennheiser/hd-598
rtings' melanin-enhanced target curve aside, these measurements show that HD599 is essentially an HD598 with better bass extension.
http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/sennheiser-hd-599.php
http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/sennheiser-hd-579.php
RAA's strange treble compensation aside, these measurements show that HD599 and HD579 are nearly identical sounding.
tl;dr: HD579 is a HD598 with better bass extension.
Pic related shows HD598 is a much better headphone than DT880. Thus, HD579 is a much, much better headphone than DT880.

>>62169715
Kek. Some of them even own body pillows

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>>62169748
Those graphs are dated. Got anything newer, or do you just refuse to accept Headroom?

>>62169754
>poorfag
>can't afford body pillow
I feel for you bro

>>62169842
Sorry, let me clarify, anime body pillows

>>62169845
>anime body pillows
So you can afford body pillows, but not cool body pillow sheets?

Am I doing this right?

>>62168345
HD600 are scintillating and mellifluous. K712 sound like crack and welfare.
K712 is for true patricians with refined taste. HD600 is for obese permavirgin trolls in their moms basement.
K712 is nigger bass and earrape.
HD600 is tinny and veiled.
BTFO
T
F
O

This is a reminder that Sennheiser headphones have no bass, terrible build quality, abysmal "comfort" and shamefully poor customer service.
This is also a reminder that the Sennshill's primary argument for buying Sennshit is "they're neutral to the diffuse field curve," and that this argument is irreparably flawed:
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/audio-precision-explains-headphone-measurements-and-head-related-transfer-function
>No known objective method produces a flat frequency response characteristic from an earphone which is subjectively judged to produce wide band uncolored reproduction.

MAXIMUM DAMAGE CONTROL
>denying peer-reviewed journals
Back to head-Fi, kid.
Sennshill getting REKT again
Samefag.
Pic+timestamp of headphones.

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>>62169866
Anime isn't real and we shouldn't pretend it is. Anime body pillows are disgusting, dude

>>62169829
This copypasta is dated. Got anything newer?

>>62169925
That's like your opinion, bro.

Nice shinka there.

>>62169951
Gotta stay with the times, and looking at you it seems like 2011

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>>62169952
>t. body pillow owner

>>62161450
Max comfy and good buy.

>>62168675
Have you listened to the SHP9500? I'm wondering how it compares to the HD598.

>>62169993
I don't own one... yet.

Can't say I don't want one.

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>>62169829
OK, here's a corrected version of InnerFidelity's DT880 measurement.
https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/tutorials/how-to-interpret-graphs/3rd-party-plots/
>For Innerfidelity plots a ‘correction’ needs to be used in order for the, extremely valuable, plots to make ‘sense’ in an acoustic representative way.
Pic related is IF's DT880 250 ohm measurement with said correction applied. The ear-raping 10 dB treble peak is rather consistent with GE's measurement.

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>>62170148
>Audioheaven
Kek. I wonder how the HD 600 would look zoomed in that far

my friend got a HD600 back in 2001 or so. who knew we'd be jerking off over them more than a decade and a half later

t. HD598 owner

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post purchase rationalization general

>>62170148
Do you have ANY graphs of them side-by-side?

>>62170225
>That driver matching
Kek

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>>62170359
The blue line I drew in here represents the HD579's bass response compared to the HD598's. Since we have already established that HD579 is essentially an HD598 with better bass extension, this, in effect, now represents an effective comparison between HD579 and DT880.

>>62170458
Which goes back to
>>62169829

>>62170491
>if I spam a copypasta enough maybe someday it'll become a valid criticism

Anyone want to swap hd600 for hd6xx?

>>62170933
>If I keep throwing shitty excuses maybe I wouldn't have to look for a new one

Does anyone else experience their ear drums shivering/vibrating when they pause loud music on their headphones?

650 or 600 boiz? Been using a 598 for 4 years. I wear glasses and would like comfortable headphones

>>62172718
They aren't going to be as comfortable as the HD 598 with glasses, but HD 600

>>62172718
Comfort wise they are identical, so focus on sound. >>62161591

>>62172735
>>62172760

Thanks brehs

>>62172705
i get asmr instead when i get those kind of sudden pauses in music

not sure about shivering/vibrating. cant even imagine how you'd feel that. Do you mean like ringing in your ears that you can feel?

>>62172718
Glasses user, upgraded 598 to 600. I'm not looking back; The difference in sound is abysmal.

>>62172947
>abysmal

Are you saying that the 598 quality is abysmal to the 600?

>>62172921
I don't post in these threads or wear headphones for this reason, if I'm listening to something above 65 decibels - & pause it [suddenly] my ears vibrate; it doesn't hurt, it just feels uncomfortable. Think about dropping a duffle bag full of raw steaks down a flight of stairs, it sounds similar to that. This doesn't happen if the music slowly fades out however.

>>62173041
were you dropped as a baby?

>>62173077
I don't think so

>>62173110
well, if you weren't you should have been.

>>62173128
Why would you say such a rude hurtful thing to a stranger

>>62168867
upgrade
akg 702 was once their flagship o more like the hd650.

>>62173148
because if I were your parent I would have taken you to a park and just left you there

>>62173172
>Implying you'd ever be a parent

https://my.mixtape.moe/aerzwo.flac

Where the HD600 sales at?

>>62172994
I'm saying that, after hearing HD600, I don't consider HD598 good anymore.
Every time I put the 598 on for nostalgia reasons, I feel that all sounds sound the same, as all the "edges" are softened up, making it extremely boring. It does at times show really good sound, sort of as a teaser of what you could have all the time with better headphones (i.e. HD600).

>>62173640
Ah, got it. I'd be using these on my PC. Are using a DAC or something? My 598s are using some fiio DAC

>>62173671
Schiit uber stack.

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r8

>>62173682
Damn bruh, looks kinda pricey. Guessing my fiio e7 shit isn't good enough?

>>62173728
>any amp
You'll be fine.
They sound great on my Fulla 2 and on my phone, after all. Some anons even just use them straight out the motherboard.
Headphones make a large difference, amps and dacs a far smaller one.

>>62173764
Awesome. Thanks brah

>>62173728
i'd suggest a DAC/amp combo. Dealing with 2 power cables / wallwarts is a pain

>>62169642
HJE120

>>62166507
Someone described the sound as ethereal, would you agree?

>>62174284
"like light reflecting off rippling water"

>>62173889
Recommendation on a combo? Pretty new to the dac amp stuff

HD600 cable is getting a bit shotty because my cat has chewed through it a bit.

Should I pay the $20-30 for the sennheiser replacement. Or pay $90 for custom braided paracord cable? Are custom cables just a meme?

>>62174727
kill the cat

>>62174727
There are a variety of reasons one may desire custom cables but sound quality is not one of them unless they're custom impedance. There are specific situations one may wish to have custom impedance cables. If you do not know these situations, you don't need it.

>>62174727
You can get cheapo $20 cables off amazon, they work fine. If you're going to go for custom cables, consider doing DIY first. Connectors + soldering iron + 8 core 1M "audiophile" meme wire + fancy schmancy splitter does not amount to over $100.

>>62174745
It's still new, but if he keeps it up i've considered it.
>>62174765
I was more thinking about durability senpai.

Maybe I'll pay to upgrade to kevlar instead of paracord...

>>62174193
thanks!

>>62174502
schiit.com, fulla 2.

>>62175301
What's the difference between using that to a Fiio e7?

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>>62161127

I organized headphone suggestions into a website. v1 enjoy https://canpicker.com/

>>62172994
The HD598 is actually good. It's just got different sound signature. It's more laid back warm sound. Once you use something for awhile your brain gets used to it. I would only recommend getting the the HD600 if you're serious for listening to music.

>>62176001
Nice work, anon!

>>62176001
Pretty small selection senpai

>>62176041

Yeah, I have more but haven't gotten around to getting the images. WIP

>>62173041
Yeah I've noticed this a lot with my HD600s. It's actually really bad for older games with loud text and quiet background music. I've never noticed it with speakers.

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>>62176001
>not putting the HD600 as every selection

>>62176001
>No oppos
???

whats a good amp with a pre out and that isnt auto switching besides the nfb-11

>>62175429
With a 300ohm load (~HD600), 16mW the e7, 40mW the fulla 2.
Other than that, features and such.

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>>62176001
Include these too for anon who know how to eq properly

>>62176089

Which Oppos are worthwhile? I only have the PM-3 on my todo list.

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>>62176151
>$400 headphones with non-replaceable pleather earpads which will flake and deteriorate quickly like all pleather earpads

>>62177506
My $30 chink shit Corsair headset lasted for 2 years without issues. I don't think that's be much of an issue

>>62177596
>2 years
>"not much of an issue"

>>62177835
You forgot about me mentioning they were $30 Corsair chinkphones

>>62177876
But the PM-3 aren't $30.

>>62177921
Should last longer

>>62168943
This is the best advice ever given on /hpg/ ever.

When are you guys going to get speakers and learn what it is like to listen to treble without annoying sibilance?

>>62177959
When /hpg/ stops being lazy faggots

>>62177959
HD600 have excellent, sibilance-free treble.

>>62178000
>Implying it's even comparable to speakers

>>62178009
Speakers were deprecated the day the HD600 was released.

>>62178009
>>62177959
I stay away from speakers because I know I'd end up rocking dual 16" or 19" subs and get noise complaints all the time

Speaking of speakers, are the JBL LSR305 still the go-to budget-to-midrange recommendation?

>>62178022
Kek. Nice try, though

how can speakers produce better sound when they have to shoot audio to you across a room while headphones have the advantage of delivering it straight into your ears?

I got some like mid-tier consumer shit logitech 2.1 desktop speaker system, I was lazy to reach behind my PC so i plugged it into the 2.5mm out in my schiit. Seems to sound genuinely cleaner.

Placebo or could it actually be better?

>>62178065
How can headphones produce better sound when they have to shoot audio to you from outside your ears while earphones have the advantage of delivering it straight to your eardrums?

>>62178000
I mean sibilance is normal to hear. I guess that's the HD600 veil people talk about. I just don't like unrealistic it sounds with headphones compared to real human speach.

>>62178104
because the drivers are way bigger

Speaker drivers are obviously bigger again, but they're on the other side of the room. Full-size headphones have the best ratio of driver size to distance from eardrum.

>>62178158
>sibilance is normal to hear

um no sweetie. not everyone has tinnitus.

>>62178161
>Other side of the room
Nigga, are you fucking shitposting using your TV?

>Budget: 200
>Location: southeast USA
>Source: Computer
>Type of headphone: Over ear
>Open or closed: Open
>Comfort leve:l 5/10
>Sound signature: Anything gaming and/or Crooner music
>Past headphones: Triton 720+, turtle beaches (multiple), Skullcandy (MULTIPLE

>>62178203
HD6XX

>>62178161
>Using speakers across the room
>Ever
>Best ratio of driver size to distance from eardrum
Wrong. Spoken like someone's never owned speakers

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>>62177959

>>62178225
>Putting speakers next to your ear

enjoy tinnitus

>>62178203
DT 880 or HD 6XX from Massdrop

>>62178234
>Making up all these shitty excuses to keep using headphones
>Right across the room
>Now it's right next to your ears

>>62178234
ever listening to music ever. enjoy tinnitus and hear damage

>living

enjoy dying

>>62165469
The DT 880 can be very uncomfortable

>>62178285
>Very uncomfortable
That's wrong though

>>62163490
There's diminishing returns after the HD600. All the headphones after $200 are just based on preference and placebo. The HD600's sound signature is my favorite so I know that it's basically end game for me.

>>62178302
Their inner foam did press against my ear though

>>62178357
no, the diminishing returns are after the MDR7506 possibly even cheaper

>>62178370
How large are your ears? What headphones do you own?

The diminishing returns set in after modded superlux 681s, to be quite frank.

>>62178390
Wrong. Have you not tried $10 earbuds of the Walmart kind?

>>62178403
you kid but rock zircons are legitimately endgame material.

>>62178382
They are pretty average, though one side seems to stick out 2mm more or so, which is where the foam pressed against
I have a HD598 now, which is comfortable

>implying just listening to music in your brain isn't the endgame

>>62178478
>hpg
>Not full of brainlets

>>62178478
how could you play the music by memory if you never heard it in the first place from another audio source?

>>62178390
What'd you do to your 681's?

>>62178511
http://rockgrotto.proboards.com/thread/4769/superlux-hd-681-modifications

>>62178497
>Not hooking yourself up to the PC
As expected of a brainlet

>digital audio

lawl not even once brahs

ones and zeroes are to audio what AI is to an organic brain; an amusing imitation if engineered well enough, but ultimately a false pretender.

posting kino

https://youtu.be/oCQ-15y2kYU

Sennheiser perfected headphones with the 800S

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>>62161262
Im the guy who posted the original.

>>62173697
Id have spent a bit more on amp and dac for headphones like that. At least a Schiit Modi2U/Magni2U.

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My HD 600 arrived today
I'm struggling to understand and to set it all up

I have Xonar U3

First thing:
In Windows bar
if I choose the digital output the sound is lower but more detailed, bassier, rich.
If I choose Speakers it is overall louder

The digital output is the right choice, yes?

Second:

I apologise for the japanese, can't change it.
Not sure whether to leave those options checked or unchecked for a better gayming experience?
Also should I choose Exciter mode >64Ohms
or Pro-Gaming mode 32-64Ohms ?

>>62179308
Wrong, they perfected headphones with the 600.

They perfected perfection with the 800S.

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The lord thy god in heaven hath given me his blessing to lead ye wretched sinners away from the ignorant lies and injustice of these cursed blasphemers so that you need not languish in torment for hearing the foul cacophanies of your heathen 'phones.

I'm here to tell you boys that the way out of the bottle is clear, and that the true path into righteousness and eternal life points to itself. And that truth, o' my blessed brothers, is the Sennheiser HD600. Now go, go and thank the mighty father who sheds the blood of his only son that you might be shown his mercy for gifting thee with such a majestic and awesome way to receive his rapture.

>HURR DURR PIC + TIMESTAMP
fuck off, retards

>>62179522
I leave for a few days and come back to find out I'm some sort of meme for liking k712's better.

>all this hd600 shitposting when the 650s are superior phones with a more refined and patrician sound

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>>62161235
Almost same shit but HD650, also have a pair of HS5s (why I spent the extra money on the uber version so I could have the two outs)

Oh and minus the idol trash I guess.

>>62179648
What monitor my famicom?

>>62161127
I have to turn my headphone jack and jiggle it slightly to get it work in stereo these days. Is there any way to fix this or are my headphones basically just too old to not require such a delicate touch now ?

>>62179679
Solder a new jack onto it.

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>>62161235
Something like this
I want to upgrade my Speakers at some point but my current ones do the job. Very musical and fun

>>62179674
Asus MG278Q
27"
2560x1440
144 hz
1 ms response

>tfw went full retard and accidently bought freesync version when I have an nvidia card.

>>62176088
>>62176088
Who the fuck is this abortion

>>62179318
Hi there. So, to be clear, what was it that you weren't too happy about the HD600?

>>62179457
>non-unicode locale set to japanese
We know about those games you play, Anon.
>Xonar-U3
No fucking idea about your confusing AF soundcard and drivers. Speakers vs digital is WTF. I do suspect digital just turns off some postprocessing (the difference you hear) and enables spdif. You probably >64 Ohms, as the HD600 is ~300 ohm.
>https://www.asus.com/us/Sound-Cards/Xonar_U3/specifications/
Doesn't really say anything about headphones or power, which is a bad flag. Likely not much of an amp in that thing, just something very basic (as the specs and the driver options suggest). Whatever the case, you want the 64+ ohm option to stand a chance at using whatever "headphone" amp that thing has.
>What to do.
If you just want something relatively cheap that's usb dac+amp, just works and is good value for the money, look into the Fulla 2. Also, consider using your motherboard's sound output directly. For all you know, it might work better than the xonar u3. It might also be your motherboard's audio chipset even has a headphone amp. What's your motherboard?
>but... spending money!
Well, you can probably use the xonar u3 for a while and it likely doesn't sound excessively bad. Your setup is also new, so you're not used to your headphones yet either. It's likely awesome vs whatever you were used to anyway.
You'll appreciate whatever difference later on once you move to fulla2 or some other adequate dac+amp thing.

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>>62179883
Cool.
>>62179648
NIce setup. BTW, Idols are fun. You'd find the love too, if you opened your heard to them. What could possibly go wrong. I suggest watching the Love Live anime, it makes for a great gateway drug.
>>62180397
No fucking idea, but looks decent enough for 4chan standards. Not even fat or greasy-looking. Those blue LEDs @ computer though... ouch.

>>62180579
>Those blue LEDs @ computer though... ouch
Hi Zeos

>>62180591
Checked some zeos vids... I didn't actually find his fucking face, he seems to be wearing the camera, but I doubt that pic's zeos.

>>62180608
Nah I was referring to you because Zeos hates blue LEDs
(I do too)

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>>62180608
Zeos on the left

>>62180547
Thanks
mobo is
Gigabyte Z97M-DS3H

So should I check the 7.1speakers and Dolby options?
What about Fiio E10K?

>>62179457
>>62180547
>Doesn't really say anything about headphones or power
Well it says 2Vrms of output, which is enough for a HD600. And 300ohms isn't a difficult load to drive for an opamp at such a voltage. So it looks pretty good to me.

>>62174284
Almost yes

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>>62180644
>So should I check the 7.1speakers and Dolby options?
Definitely not.
>what about fiio e10k
It's a decent cheapo device that covers a lot of headphones. Not recommended for HD600 as it doesn't provide anywhere near enough power (per specs) and distorts/messes with the bass (per anons that tried it vs fulla 2 with HD600).
>Z97M-DS3H
Realtek® ALC887 codec
>http://audiophilesoft.ru/articles/realtek_audio_setup/ALC887.pdf
>Built-in headphone amplifiers for each re-tasking jack
It wouldn't surprise me if it sounded better with the HD600 than the Xonar-U3, so definitely try that.

>>62180462
they sound fine, nice tonal balance, but have no sub-bass and sound-stage is laughably bad. I generally prefer the k712, more air and enjoyable to listen to. I think the pm3 does what the 600 and 650 does but better, I'm probably going to end up selling them. Waiting on a balanced cable atm, see if that makes me change my mind about them.

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>>62180625 >>62180635
I see. And so do I.
Most annoying thing about my Das Keyboard 4. Fucking eyecancer bright caps/scroll/numlock leds that do light up the damn ceiling. k70 (the other keyb in the pic) is a fucking gamer keyb but at least its leds aren't eyecancer.

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>>62180697
>using a cable to change sound

>>62180721
If you need back-lighting perhaps take a look at Ducky if it annoys you that much
I have the Shine 3 & 5 and they're very solid.

>>62180697
Interesting. Not sure the balanced cable will help much unless you have a jotunheim or some other balanced amp. In any event, it'll decrease cross-talk a little, but as I understand it it'll be so little I doubt it'll have an effect on soundstage.
It is _technically_ better but that's it.
>soundstage is meh
If you're using to those AKG and their massive exaggeration of soundstage, they probably are. It also felt narrow coming from HD598, but it's still a decent soundstage meeting open expectations (definitely wider than the usual closed) and, overall better than any other headphone I've been able to try. This *overall* is what I like about HD600 desu. A good balance of everything, and an emphasis on that tonal balance you acknowledge, which I somehow care about more than anything else.

>>62180736
Don't need backlighting at all, no. Didn't you notice my labelless das keyb ultimate?
Still, the fucking numlock/etc leds are blue eyecancers.
I'll someday (with keyb out of warranty) open it and put some 680 or 1k resistors in series there.

>>62180840
Ah actually I didn't, my eyes locked on to the Brown switches
Sounds good though anon

>>62180840
what is permanent marker

>want some dark IEMs
>most people seem to trash the ATH LS300 and LS400

is it just people who don't like dark sound or are they actually bad IEMs? If so what are some good dark IEMs?

>>62180868
I don't want to do that to my das keyb... I like having leds for the locks. Just not this bright.

>>62180840
>open keyboard
>put semi-transparent paper on leds
>close keyboard
Woo lad.

>>62180883
then put a little bit on

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So my HD600 have started to make tilting sounds and distortion on low frequences on high volume. I have clened them couple times but it doesnt seem to help. I have pretty bad dandruff and some of it has gone in to the system. Is there way to clean it or what should i do?

>>62180895
The led holes are 1mm diameter at most.

>>62180918
Pajeet tier post

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>>62180786
Using a hp-a4bl for a balanced amp/dac. We will have to wait and see how it goes.
If you have the chance try the k712's, there is a lot to like, you could own both and like them for different reasons.

>>62180918
Just try not to destroy your drivers.
Worst case scenario, you do. Thankfully, they do sell replacement ones and they're not insane expensive. But really, really try not to.
>high volume
BAD BOI.

>>62180941
>k712
Are on my wishlist. I'm just not about to spend more money in headphones this year; I already went crazy with HD600 + all the schiit.

>>62180921
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Shackleton

>>62180954
Buy second hand, never buy any headphone new. save shit loads, check av forums and stuff.

>>62180978
That's the poorfag way.
I'm no poorfag and I feel about used headphones the same way as I do about used condoms. Still, I do have some sense of budgeting, and headphones aren't my only interest in life.
It'll happen, eventually. Also curious about planar meme and electrostat meme. Life such a pain.

>>62180995
I use to have t40rp's, they were great, planar isn't a meme, its just good, I miss them. gonna get the t60rp when they drop.

>>62161492
I'm not an audiophile but this sounds like a meme.

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>>62180696
ok wtf
uninstalled xonar drivers
then installed pictured drivers
no detection. trobleshooter shows nothing

What amp/dac should i get? I mainly use my HD600 to listen music on my computer and my budget is around 300€. I really dont know shit about these and dont even know where to start researching.