/hpg/ - Headphone General [FUCK THAT SHITTY BAIT THREAD EDITION]

Duplicate thread.

Active thread here: >>62161127

>Budget
$100 - $150
>Location
Asia
>Source
Smartphone and Pc motherboard
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Preferably open
>Comfort level
As long as they're as good or better than the hyperx cloud
>Sound signature
Neutral
>Past headphones
Hyperx cloud

Kinda looking at the ATH-M40x since I heard that they're fine with smartphones since my clouds are terrible with my phone, but they're closed back. Are there any open headphones that sound good without a dac/amp?

I'm looking to buy wireless earbuds to work out with and just have when walking around town. Was looking online and all the top lists look like meme lists straight off of mkbhd and I learned my lesson on trusting him after my M50s. Don't really care about sound quality that much but better quality would be a plus.What I'm looking for is comfort and good price

>Budget
Less than $100
>Location
Chicago
>Source
Phone
>Type of headphone
Wireless Bluetooth Earbuds
>Open or closed
n/a
>Comfort level
Preferably comfortable
>Sound signature
Don't mind... Maybe v-shaped
>Past headphones
Audio Technica ATH-M50
Hifiman He-400
Soundmagic Earbuds

>>62163774
I think you need to make a few things clearer.
How is the Cloud bad with your phone? What is your phone anyway?
Open back seems an arbitrary constraint, and buying a DAC or an amplifier isn't really going to change its sound character overall.

Preliminary suggestion is the Philips SHP9500S, and maybe the Sennheiser HD 558 or 559.

>>62163953
What's your issue with the M50?

>>62164327
No major gripes... It's just become a major meme and recommended as a catch all. I wish I had gotten some more neutral open backed headphones, maybe some of grado's lower end headphones. That's why I'm coming here instead of just straight up ordering the Jbird X3 first.

Now don't get me wrong I have nothing against the bass heavy or v shape of the M50's its just that for my needs at the time it didn't quite match what I was looking for.

>>62164327
The bass of the clouds on my phone sounds so muddy compared to my pc
Its a huawei p9 lite

>>62164370
Grado isn't very much on the neutrality. If you still have it, you can compensate for it with some judicious use of a parametric equalization.
>Jaybird X3
It's passable as far as a V-shape is concerned. You could just pick that and leave. Most of the bluetooth models that come to my mind are of the less compact neckband type, Sony SBH80, HBS-900, and so on.
Most in-ears are bass boosted to some extent. That also applies to bluetooth models. I also think there's a general trend lately to increasing the amount of bass for earphones as well.


>>62164371
I don't know that model.
That descriptor isn't terribly specific. Is it volume dependent; does it get especially problematic as you increase the volume?

I'm looking for something overall neutral in sound signature to be used exclusively around my home. On my PC but also, say, my TV. Are there some kind of headphones that allow this sort of range of motion?

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Can a smartphone use the microphone pole for balanced audio?

I'm going to buy the hd600 for home use and a athmsr7 for school.
I swear to God if the fucking hd600 doesn't blow my mind I will hack every single one of you faggots

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>>62165296
You can still eq it if you don't like it.

>>62165296
Honestly it's not a mind blowing headphone. It's a good overall headphone with really nice mids.

>>62165296
I'm giving you official notice that you should get Stax instead.

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>>62162499
Reminder :^)

>>62165564
so a random guy on the internet said some random shit. nobody cares fuck off with your bait

>>62165595
Post your headphones and prove him wrong, poorfag :^)

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What is the second best headphone behind Focal Elear?

>>62165031
Maybe look into a pair that utilizes infrared technology if you insist on versatility between using them for your pc and tv. Are you looking for something wireless?

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>>62165564
Reminder opinions are like assholes

>>62165623
A poorly run Focal Elear

>>62165031
Probably something like the Sennheiser RS185. Its sound is just okay.
Or you could connect some bluetooth adapters to the headphone and the associated machine.

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My SoundMagic E50 came in and they sound unnaturally tinny for some reason, even compared to my old E10.
Anyway I can remedy this?

>>62165647
>Leddit
Opinion discarded. I'd like proof you aren't a poorfag in denial first ;^)

>>62165623
Lots of people prefer other $1k headphones like hifiman, audeze, hd800 etc it's subjective man

>>62165688
Can you just return? Plenty of other shit in the price range to try. Don't love tethered to your EQ like me it sucks anon

>>62165693
at least the redditor described his experience, not just hurr this > that whoever likes that is an idiot.

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are grados good for black metal and rock?

just ordered the sr60e and waiting for them

>>62165735
Silly anon, he did too. We're you not in the thread at the time? Now post headphones, you poorfag!

>>62165750
Yes they're very highly praised by rock and metal fans.

>>62165774
thanks for the quick answer bro

>>62165647
>>62165735
What the fuck is this shit? Why so many buzzwords from the Redditor? He sounds like fucking Zeos

Can we ask someone to clean these threads from shitposting?

>budget
Under $70, under $50 preferred
>location
US
>source
phone/laptop
>type
IEM
>comfort
preferably good but it doesn't really matter
>signature
neutral or semi bass heavy (I've got M50s)

Just need something for around campus since I'm not gonna walk around with full size headphones on. Considering something from etymotic.

>Budget
$125 or less
>Location
Clapistan, Detroit
>Source
PC, no amp or dac
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Either is fine although my environment can be pretty noisy so anything too open might be wasted.
>Comfort level
Not too much of a factor. I didn't quite like my SR60s at first but after some initial aching I got used to them.
>Sound signature
Neutral preferred. I'm not doing any professional mixing or editing with them so anything beyond sounding nice probably isn't necessary. As far as that goes, I listen to a lot of different genres so something that doesn't completely sacrifice on either bass or treble for the other is a must.
>Past headphones
ATH-EM7 GM
SR60i
HS-260

Looking for something that sounds decent for casual, varied use by a worthless neet. A detachable cable or some kind of integrated mic would be nice but I think the HS-260s spoiled me on their combined audio and mic quality for the price point. At this point everything on the market is a gayman headset or a travel headset so I'm not hopeful in that regard.

>>62166092
SHP9500, but they can be a bit open

>>62165949
the HD 600 is what you want.

>>62165820
Zeos is a smart guy. He's making money doing very neutral reviews for Reddit public.

>>62166160
Thanks for the rec, anon. Thankfully it seems like there's still a handful still on sale. They seem really well reviewed, although a lot of them seem to imply that these are REALLY open. I didn't have any issues with my Grados, would you say they're comparably open in any way?

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buds for running? or do you people not exercise

>>62166423
No idea, anon. I would say they block about as much noise as if you were to cup your hand and rest it against your ear. They don't leak out a lot of sound but they also don't block that much either, which may not be for everyone

>>62165031
I agree with >>62165667
The sound quality you are going to get won't be anything to write home about, but it's fine. Sony also has some models you could check out

>>62166582
Well that's about how my current cans feel so it shouldn't be an issue. As long as the leakage isn't so much that it makes using the mic an issue it should be alright. Thanks again anon, I'll probably be giving them a shot.

>>62165640
>>62165667
>>62166784
Alright guys, thanks for the guidance so far. I've been doing some research and am eyeing some sony cans due to price. Will report back soon

>>62166816
Unless if you live in a cave or cramped area, playing at a reasonably loud volume, people won't be able to tell what you're listening to from ~5-10 feet away. Hope you like them, anon

>>62166816
>>62166938
Had no issues with my Blue Yeti right infront of me; shouldn't be a problem

I just had a Hearty Chuckle

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-Monitor-10-Headphones-Balanced-/202040469814?hash=item2f0a8ce936:g:ZDAAAOSwUaJZpQ7S

who puts a balanced connector on a pair of 40 year old headphones without replacing the wires in the headband and puts velour earpads on a somewhat Bass light headphone?

>>62166176
>neutral
>"THIS IS THE BEST"
>"NO THIS IS THE BEST"
>"ACTUALLY THIS IS THE BEST"
>*37 dozen adjectives strung together each review*

he's a mid-fi shill who basically jerks off companies for free samples to listen to. The equivalent of that guy who hangs out at the bakery section of a supermarket to eat all the free samples but doesn't buy anything.

>>62166176
>>62165820
Zeos got thrown out various subreddits for that.
I don't understand how Zeos can even build up a following. I just don't get it.

>>62167228
The circlekjerk sounds more like standard head-fi. He rambles on and on for minutes spewing out words, but without actually saying anything.

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

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>>62165722
It's 2 weeks shipping so no

>>62165722
Literally every headphone can benefit from EQ. If you're not "living tethered to EQ" you're settling for inferior sound quality like an idiot.

>>62168138
Pic + timestamp

>>62164371
>bass on gaymen headset is muddy and cloudy
buddy, this isnt your phone fault

>>62165564
K712 sound like Hennessey and chicken and waffles.

>>62168470
Sounds comfy and tasty

>>62168512
t.JaTaveon

>>62168569
Then you have very poor taste :^)

>>62166916
Been looking into sony models MDR-RF970R and MDR-RF985R among others. Seems like the former is more in my price range.

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> ps1 with ak4309 dac
> models <= SCPH-5501
> no jitter
> chink dvd remote with eye
> god like sound
THE MEME IS REAL
REV UP THE CD BURNER
AZO VERBATIM

>>62168929
>jitter in modern audio devices
>audible
https://web.archive.org/web/20090113005617/http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/ast/26/1/26_50/_article
>It was shown that the detection threshold for random jitter was several hundreds ns for well-trained listeners under their preferable listening conditions.
"Several hundreds ns" is way more jitter than even modern $2 Chinkshit audio products exhibit. That shit's not audible.

>>62168929
>no other sizes of this image found
What the fuck anon
Are you actually autistic

>>62168929
I have a Marantz CD-43 with a mod to bypass all the circuitry and get the output direct from the DAC. Get on my audiofool level.

>>62169119
What did anon mean by this?

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>>62162499
Which one is better, g.

Also - objectively best headphones for 100$?

I like a V shape.

>>62171133
>I like V shape
AKG K240. DT 770 is also another option

>>62171133
HD558 are the objectively best headphones for $100 but they are not V-shaped, as V-shaped is objectively worse than neutral, which is what HD558 are. Your shitty pleb taste would like K240 better.

>>62166170
IEM anon

>>62171200
Insulting anons won't make them buy the headphones you want them to, anon.

Also, reminder that headphones are subjective :^)

>>62171218
>insulting
>your shitty pleb taste
He's just being nice, 4chan style.
Like melanin-enriched. It's totally okay to have such pleb tastes.

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>>62171200
What makes the 558 so good aside from being neutral, which, makes sense in regards to "capturing everything about the sound". Will the 558 handle me EQING more bass or treble out of it if I want?

>>62171262
>More bass
That'd make them even more muddy than they already are

>>62171200
>V-shaped is objectively worse than neutral
>because of reasons
>source: my ass

>>62171133
>>62171170
Actually seconding dt770. If you really want v-shaped and are fine with closed back. dt990 is best open back pick, but more expensive than $100.

>>62171276
>>62171369
See this is why I asked. The 558s are muddy?

I usually EQ even a slight v to make up for anything deficient.

>>62171494
They are neutral headphones erring on dark. There is bass, but it just meh and does get muddy

>>62171262
is this your OC?

>>62171369
this is true

>>62171133
I own both. I would say the 558 is better because it is much more comfortable. The K240 makes your ears a bit warm/oily during extended use. The 558 also has better build since it has less moving parts. If you like a v shape, get a DT770 or DT990

>objectively best under $100
SHP9500, 558, MDRs, K240, m40x would be in the conversation

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The lord thy god in heaven hath given me his blessing to lead ye wretched sinners away from the ignorant lies and injustice of these cursed blasphemers so that you need not languish in torment for hearing the foul cacophanies of your heathen 'phones.

I'm here to tell you boys that the way out of the bottle is clear, and that the true path into righteousness and eternal life points to itself. And that truth, o' my blessed brothers, is the Sennheiser HD600. Now go, go and thank the mighty father who sheds the blood of his only son that you might be shown his mercy for gifting thee with such a majestic and awesome way to receive his rapture.

>>62171774
How many posts 'till you're able to afford to not run them off of your motherboard?

>>62171262
You can make most headphones sound any way you want, tonality-wise, if you know what you're doing with EQ.

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>>62165156
Bump.

>>62171832
I was about to buy an smsl idea but I've read too many accounts of people not hearing any difference with an amp so I decided to put the money into PC parts instead.

I'm getting a new motherboard anyway which should shit all over my 7 year old board in SQ (especially since it's low end board vs midrange), so if I hear no difference I know for sure that amps are a placebo autism meme.

>>62165949
Tennmak Pro
ZS3/ZST/ZS5
Soundmagic E10/3
Etymotic MK5/HF5/MC5
MEE M6 Pro

>>62172264
>7 year old low end board
What the hell, anon? What system do you have?

>>62172264
Your new board will be literally the same as your old one you brainlet. Motherboards don't really vary in output power, except for those MSI audio boost ones with opamps.
Make sure to also change your computer PSU to 100W one, PSU are a meme anyway.
Holy fuck I hate neo-/g/ tech illiteracy.

I'm in my third year of mechanical engineering in the uk. I have no experience (trust me, if you don't have connections you wont get anything here). I want to start a mini project but I have no idea what to do

Please just shoot me mech engineering ideas, I'll take anything at this point

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>it's a "headfi-tier autistic audiophool thinks there's a difference between amp quality independent of volume" episode

>>62168138
What is the best way to lose your virginity as an adult male?

Do you cry at night? seriously?

>>62172388
Make an unbreakable headband for the HD600.

>>62172398
Rephrase this post in english Pajeet.

Modi 2 measurements

http://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/budget-dac-review-schiit-modi-2-99.1649/

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>>62171720
Much appreciated.

>>62171774
Shut up you fucking prick.

>>62172398
Speak English you fucking mong.

Give me a pmp

>>62172388
magnetic screws so you can put them in TH-X00 and hot swap wooden cups

>>62172522
It looks like that retard doesn't know what he is doing at all.

>>62172683
>>62172462
I do have a big interest in headphones, thank you mates

>>62172462
Stop being triggered by an electrical product.

>>62172748
Explain.

>>62172522
Yikes, looks pretty bad. But it doesn't match with the results on SBAF for the stack. Any idea why?

>>62172820
Are you sure it isn't you whenever someone mentions the HD 600's headband?

>>62172831
>But it doesn't match with the results on SBAF for the stack. Any idea why?
Schiit marketing?

So the cable on my Pro80 has gotten stiff in some parts. In other it's as flexible as it was new.
Please explain to me what the fuck has happened and why

>>62172875
If you read the thread further, you'll find there's multiple flaws with the methodology.
This is what it looks like when n00bs do try to test things.

>>62172923
Explain further please.

>>62172992
I am Schiit shill and I'm trying to earn some money by defending my company. Thank you.

>>62171832
NAD Viso hp50 is down to only $150. Is it a good buy?
Also does anyone know anything about the psb m4u? Measurements look good but I'm green and bad at reading them

>>62172855
Are you sure you do't have autism? I don't mind the 600 headband at all. It's a bit plasticy but who cares?

Are you ok?

>>62173076
I didn't mean to reply to that post.

>>62162499
Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me?
>Fall for the audiophile headphone meme
>Expect to be blown away trying them out
>Apart from slightly wider soundstage can hardly tell the difference between them and my $35 earphones
>They're comfy so decide to keep them anyway
>Two months later
>Headphones now sound way clearer to me, can't even enjoy music properly on my earphones anymore
Why does this happen? Does your brain need time to "adapt" to hearing all the detail in high quality headphones if you've never listened to them before in your life?

>>62173121
Yes that's exactly what's going on. Same thing when you enable hq, you always don't like it at first. It takes a few days to really be able to appreciate a new headphone or eq

>>62173084
>It's a bit plasticy but who cares?
>This autism
No shit it's a bit plasticy, anon. It's a fucking plastic headband!

>>62173146
Yeah! and it's not a problem! whats your point!

>>62173218
Kek. I'm just playing with you, anon! Why so defensive whenever someone mentions your plastic headband?

>>62173121
>Does your brain need time to "adapt" to hearing all the detail in high quality headphones if you've never listened to them before in your life?
No. Sensory input is always readjusting and recalibrating based on all inputs and expectation. Expectation leads the brain to interpolate and shape incoming information.

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Yesterday got recommendations for somethin cheap and comfy, went with HD 579 since they were on sale (like 60$ off pretty gud)

almost didnt buy them but already liking them, pretty comfy and sound good enough for my needs (which aint much but whatever)

above all i dont have to deal with shitty buzzing sounds or coil whine screeching in my ears

So thanks anime picture anon who recommended them

>>62162499
anyone ever replace headband padding? my hd380s kinda grody

>>62173232
Yeah I'm clearly being defensive! you win!

>>62172522
Is any of this shit audible or is he just complaining about technical, inaudible faults?

>>62162840
CUNT

>>62173347
Kek
>>62172820
>>62173084
>>62173218
>>62173347
Kek. Correct!

>>62173121
You just got used to something good so now the difference is more evident, still, people notice things at different rates, maybe you just didn't knew what to look for or your recordings didin't help much.

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>get good headphones
>realize im not using their full potential
besides a sound card what else do i need?

>>62173420
If your headphones are loud enough and not noisy (hissy or computery sounds) you actually don't need a soundcard/DAC/amp.

>>62173449
unless you EQ then you need a lot of headroom

>>62173488
Correct, but there's only one way to find out whether your current source has enough headroom for EQing: EQ. You should attempt to EQ before spending money needlessly.

Shure SE215-K decent buds?

>>62173614
Bass cannons.

>>62173349
If you read the test, they don't even know what they're testing. They're being fucked by windows's settings, they think they're testing a modi whereas they're testing a different one, and so on.
Very dismissable attempt by noobs at something way over their head.

>>62173385
haha! you don't have autism! don't worry about it!

>>62173420
Just a Fulla 2 would have you covered, for most headphones out there except for extremely power hungry orthodynamics and electrostats, which need their own special amps.

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Hello, is this not a very fucking good FR or what?
PSB M4U 1, $230, closed back and fold-able so portable.

>>62173730
>Still defending his plastic headband

Why does people use DT880, K701 and similar headphones to produce EDM?

I'd think something like the DT770 should be the right pair

>>62173762
Wish my HD650 had that line to the left of 100Hz. Oh how I wish

>>62173779
>produce
People who produce music need to hear the whole thing, not just the bass, bro.

>>62173779
None of those are accurate enough for production use.

>>62173794
>People who produce music need to hear the whole thing, not just the bass, bro.
Ofcourse and I agree with that but those two emphasize way too much on the treble. The same thing could be said that they need to hear the whole thing, not just the treble.

>>62173818
>way too much on the treble.
Just never ever go near a DT990. It'd hurt.

>>62173796
Which headphones would you recommend?

>>62173832
I owned a pair for one week. The bass was yummy but it had to go, couldn't stand the treble at all

>>62173762
>flat line up to 10K (minus gap at 6K)
Will sound bright, due to IF's target curve being too bright.
>up and down 5dB bumps/dips in bass and lower mids
Not ideal.
>massive treble roll-off above 10K
Not a huge issue, but will still impact the sound negatively.

>>62173851
I'm glad I went with HD600.

2 of my programmers in the office have the shittiest fucking headphones, is there anything under $50 that will impress? Looking for closed, over the ear and comfortable

>>62173864
The bass is depressing on those though. HD600 is all about the mids and relaxing treble

>>62173864
I have HD650 and DT990. They both are great. DT990 has better price/performance ratio.

>>62173875
Only the Hyper X seem to be semi decent for around that price

>>62173883
I find the bass more than sufficient (particularly against my older HD598, feels stronger and more well defined), just YMMV.

>>62173449
>you actually don't need a soundcard/DAC/amp.
Wrong.
You actually need DAC to listen to music, you tech illiterate. Headphones don't play music by itself, unless you wear headphones as a accessory.
>If your headphones are loud enough and not noisy (hissy or computery sounds)
Wrong. Just because your headphones are loud enough doesn't mean they are not being distorted. Different frequencies require different amounts of power to generate. The most common sign of underpowered headphones are shit sounding flat as fuck lows.

>>62173796
k702 are one of the most accurate and detailed headphones in $300 price range, not sure what you are on about. Definitely more detailed than HD600 for starters. But then again, HD600 were never meant to be a reference headphone model, so it's not a problem.

>>62173897
1 - What are your favorite genres
2 - If you could only choose one which one would you choose

>>62173875
Status CB-1.

>>62173919
>>62173899
Many thanks, I'll have a look at these

>>62173909
>k702 are one of the most accurate and detailed headphones in $300 price range
They sure are, along with the 612s and the 712s. It's a shame their treble is so aggressive and the 612s sound like they have a massive 2Khz boost but the detail is just magnificent. Playing games with 612s was an amazing experience. Sadly they all had to go because of the treble

>>62173614
Dark, bassy boys.
>>62173875
>is there anything that'll impress
Yes
>under $50
That's a bit of a challenge but I'd think Superlux shit would do the trick. 681/668B/662EVO and Status CB-1 on the Status Audio site using coupon code 'status20'.

>>62173909
>K702
>detailed

Good joke.

>>62173909 >>62173969
>confusing treble's magnitude
>with detail
A classic.

>>62173969
>>62173985
What makes a headphone detailed in your definition?

>>62173985
I can I know how detailed headphones are by looking at graphs?

>>62174004
>What makes a headphone detailed in your definition?
Not the same anon but imagine an headphone that's completely neutral. Would that headphone not have any detail just because there are no treble spikes like the 702s and dt880s?

>>62174004
Relatively neutral response.

K702 is just bright, it isn't detailed.

>>62174030
>>62174034
If I had $10 Walmart earbuds and eq'd them flat, would that make them detailed? :^)

>>62174059
It depends on bandwidth. Earbuds lack bandwidth, but if they were $10 earphones, then yes, they would be detailed.

>>62173767
haha you'e fine! don't worry about the mental condition!

>>62174118
Do snapping plastic headband agitate you, anon?

Newfag here, how big of an upgrade is the ATH-M40x or Shure SHR440 from a HyperX Cloud?

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>Budget
Around $200, not that important if it'll last for years
>Location
US
>Source
Phone/PC
>Type of headphone
Full-Sized
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Yes
>Sound signature
Neutral
>Past headphones
Etymotic Research HF5, looking for the same signature but a different hearing experience with the open back

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>>62174252
DT 880?

>>62174087
>>62174034
You are mixing up two completely different terms. Accuracy and detail. Neutral headphones are accurate, not detailed.
Detail is tied to high frequencies, detailed headphones will generally be bright.
In audio production you are never looking for accurate response in headphones, that's what monitors are for, and no pair of headphones will be as accurate as monitors in well treated room. Headphones are generally used for detail, to catch problems you didn't notice on monitors.

>>62173912
HD650 because my favorite genre is jazz.

Are bluetooth buds mostly a meme

>>62174252
HD579.
Better than HD599, which is better than HD598, which is in turn better than DT880.
And cheaper than HD599 :)

>>62174479
Source?
>Inb4 outdated graphs

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meme! or meme?!

>>62174500
meme, get the shanling m2s instead

>>62174287
>>62174479
Thanks, I was initially looking at the HD598s but maybe I'll try the 579 instead.

>>62174514
Look for reviews of the HD599.
The HD579 unfortunately doesn't have as many, but the FR is almost identical, and the few reviews I could find where it's tested together with HD599 do say that the 579 is better.

What is the HD 650 of IEMs?

>>62174510
maybe if I could steal one sure, looks like an overpriced meme.

>>62173631
>>62173946
60$ for some used shure's seem okay?

>>62174571
>literally a poor nigger
just lol

>>62172831
>>62172522
Marv tested the Uber2 stack. Amir has the Modi 2
One the results in Amir's test is that the Modi 2 is not great at rejecting computer induced electrical noise. Marv also mentioned something else.
>Noise level is good tonight, no spurious crap.
So, it could have been worse before.

The general picture shown is subpar engineering on Schiit's part.
I wonder about the Fulla 2.

>>62173349
From the measurements? Likely irrelevant.
The computer noise is kinda bad. I'm still not sure it matters.

>>62174402
>Detail is tied to high frequencies, detailed headphones will generally be bright.
Wrong.
>In audio production you are never looking for accurate response in headphones
Wrong.

>>62174586
>200$ for a device with bad battery life and only plays music.

Being the gigantic slowpoke that I am, I just ran across a video that said I should remove a piece of foam from inside my senn HD555 to make it sound better/"like a 595". Can any of you corroborate this? I'm kind of hesitant to do this since my headphones have been going strong for about 8 years now and I don't want to fuck them up now that I've got a good thing going.

>>62174601
Source of proof?
>Neutral headphones are detailed because they're neutral!!

>>62174605
also acts as a portable dac/amp and bluetooth reciever
but there's nothing wrong with 200 bucks for a music player, lel

what a completely subjective retarded general this is everyone here kill yourselves now

>>62174618
>music player
>2017

>>62174621
agreed. nobody has any idea about what they're talking about

>>62174618
cheaper solutions exist, but its a cool looking player

>>62174617
Treble != detail. Faster transient response = more detail.

>>62174585
There's a lot of fake Shure IEMs that float around.

>>62174741
what a pointless post
>>62174764
Like the shanling M1 (half the price but all the features), but that doesn't have enough power. The M2s can power HD600s.

>>62174798
should I assume it could still be fake even if it comes with everything in the original packaging of a real shure?

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>>62174791

>>62167468
what is it with 4chan being obsessed with reddit lately. Whether its /pol/ or /g/ there is a genuine obsession with what goes on at reddit. I haven't been to any thread on reddit other then for headphone info but it seems as though the ones that bitch about reddit go t here wayyyy more than i do.
This is /b/ type behavior gentlemen without the creep shot threads.

>>62174621
you tell 'em, anon

Getting a new pair of headphones as my pair of m40x's broke and am wondering if refurbished headphones are worth the lower price tag. Looking at a pair of m50x's that are $117 on Amazon refurbished and $150 new. Is the lower price worth it? Are there any issues with refurbished headphones?

>>62171774
dang, dem fuckers are ugly.

>>62174962
M50X's are pretty garbage.

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>>62173856
Thanks anon. I'm still getting better at reading graphs and replies like yours really help. If you have time do you think you could give a similar response to a couple of other measurements? I would really appreciate it.
This one for example. What do you think of it anon(s)?
It looks like the mids are louder than the bass and the 5k dip is concerning because that's where most of the energy in female vocals are right?
This one too is rolled off after 10k

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What do you guys think of the DT 1990 pros?

I've had a pair of DT770s for a couple years and really love them but I'm looking to step up to something a little nicer and open or semi-open. Since I love my 770s so much the 1990 seems perfect but are there any better options?

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WTF
someone explain this sorcery please
how come some $60 earphones are so flat and neutral than anything else below $125
They appear to be even better than the Etymotic's HF5 who are double the price!

>>62175102
I really like them but they're not objectively superior to shit like the hd600's. I'm a big dt990 guy(they eq really well) and I think those are good headphones. I don't know if they're $600 good though. You could buy a dt770, dt990, and hd600 for that.

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>>62175102
Shitty retard treble cannons.

>>62175107
The catch is they're uncomfortable as shit, even for Etymotics, because they're fat as fuck. MK5 or HF5 with a 75 ohm adapter are better choices.

>>62175107
>>62175132
$60 tfz's with the harakiri mod measure like that and they have a better seal and are comfortable

>>62175126
Yes? So are the DT 770s. Your point?

>>62175126
I bet you they sound like an angel singing in your ear after a little EQ.

>>62175100
>hump at 1K-2K
This is going to push vocals quite far forward, might mess up tonal balance of vocals.
>sharp dip at 5K
The dip should be more sloped. Not a huge issue.
>bass roll-off
Not really too big of an issue, -3dB at 30hz is with no hump is quite good.

>>62175132
But they are better than the HF5 from a sound accuracy perspective, right?
Even then, how can they be that much more uncomfortable than the HF5? They look almost identical.

What's the difference between the MK5 and the other two anyways?

>>62175151
Graph?

What's a good replacement cable for hd600? Preferably something "fabric" and anti-tangle.

>>62175132
Does the 75ohm adapter actually change the sound though? How does that work?
>>62175162
Hey anon, thank you. Those are the ath-msr7. Do you think if I added like 3 db at 500hz and brought that whole dip up with EQ(so it's smooth through 2khz where it starts to roll off) vocals would sound more natural? My music tends to be very complex with a ton of shit going on and I don't want anything to over power anything else.
The msr7 is incredibly sensitive so I'm sure I'll have enough headroom to EQ even on the go.
These seem to be the best closed back headphones that fold if you don't count the Oppo PM-3 for their faux leather peeling issues.

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>>62175166
too lazy to find the thread deep in SBAF

http://www.meeaudio.com/CABLE-MMCX-MIC-BK/ are these any good for shure215?

>>62175208
In addition to that, I'd drop 1.5-2.5K by a 2-3dB and maybe a higher Q 3-4dB reduction at 4-5K. You want a smooth downward slope above 1K in the compensated graph. Also maybe a bit of adjustment to the 10K peak.

However, you'll want to verify any EQ you do with at least a sine wave generator. Your ears are unique and different from Tyll's measuring rig.

>>62175276
So a good buy then, yeah?

>>62175289
I'd say so. The distortion graph for the MSR7s also looks gorgeous.

>>62175192
massdrop has some cable drop right now for iems, hd600s and the fostex cans they sell.

>>62165156
I think the microphone is on a fourth sleeve?

>>62175159
Reducing the treble on sibilant headphones just make them sound like shit. You'd have to reduce the treble by a huge ammount

>>62174962
just stick with the m40x

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Is this a good EQ for the HD650? This plugin is pretty neat. It has several predefined EQ graphs for multiple headphones.

>>62174946
because most of 4chans user base ***now*** is from reddit. Most of the oldfags have grown up and left the board with the exception of a few, and 4chan became the VIP room of the titty bar that is reddit. Why do you think this thread has an obsession with the hd600s? So does /r/headphones. They vote down hifiman and m1060 posts as fast as possible because those headphones are better than the hd600s but they don't want to admit to it. It's the same reason /r/audiophile is a shithole too. Some older guy posts his top of the line shahinian obelisks and krell amps with a custom tube preamp and a Mitchell turntable? It gets voted down and bashed by NEETS for being "snake oil."

Some kid gets a pair of micca speakers and an smsl chip amp for his dorm room? Hundreds of upvotes.

>Budget
Around 300€

>Location
Germany

>Source
PC

>Type of headphone
Full

>Open or closed
Dosent matter

>Comfort level
Should be comfy

>Past headphones
Currently using the Sennheiser HD 4.30G for my phone but i hate having to replug them every time i come home from work etc.

>>62175394
HD600.

>>62174220
Bumping this
Any opinions?

>>62175413
The marble style looks pretty gay

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>>62175393
>m1060
ewww, at least the senns don't have issues like this

>>62175451
HD650.

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>>62175459
Jesus christ, how horrifying

>>62175393
>hifiman
>m0160
why would you ever buy monoprice, hifiman, or schiit products

>>62175394
K712, HE-400i/400S, DT 880
K712 HE-400I/400S, DT 880, and Monolith M1060 are some other options. If you are able to, i'd suggest listening to each on yourself

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>>62175475
>buying cheap Chinese audeze clones instead of the real thing
Why?

>>62175501
Didn't meant to include the top

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>>62175503
You nailed it, anon. Cheap.

>>62174402
Detail is a subjective term. Has approximate correspondence to "information". Subjectively, information could be defined as the features, the qualities extracted by the person from the audio signal and other stimuli.
Accuracy is a more easily quantifiable term, amount of correlation of the reproduction to the original.

>>62175503
honestly, it's because they are stuck in midfi hell and don't know how to buy used sell used

>>62175516
>that distortion spike
Yikes. Cheap? I dunno about that. $300 for the headphone. $100 for new pads to "fix" some of the issues. You could get a lot of headphones for $400.

>>62175527
Even used the LCD-2 costs around 600$. That's just too much not to mention they require a pretty beefy amp too which adds up a ton of money

>>62175496
Schiit has anywhere between a 2 and 5 year warranty in the US. Monoprice has a 5 year warranty on the m1060 hifiman has a 1 year warranty on the low end models and a repair center in the US.

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Hold me anons.
My wallet is about to be in agony.

>>62175548
The 650s also have that ringing around the same frequencies if you remove the inside foam, behind pads. It's interesting.

>>62175581
> US

Well I guess I shouldn't buy any of those then.

>>62175582
Excellent, patrician choices Anon.

>>62175556
See my pic
>>62175503
That's a tiny $200 DAP. 67% volume including a -10dB preamp for EQ. It's not so bad.

>>62175583
Do you have an article or thread for reference? That's indeed interesting.

>>62175582
Have fun, anon!

>>62175605
>Do you have an article or thread for reference? That's indeed interesting.
I don't remember where I saw it. I was on a forum and some dude had the equipment to do measurments. The ringing is nowhere near as bad as those 1060 but it defintely showed. I'll try to find it again

>>62175594
>not living in burgerland

hifiman and monoprice have service centers in other countries too. Where do you live Anon?

>>62175464
Wont i need a dedicated Soundcard for these too?

>>62175605
nevermind anon, I'm a filthy liar.

The ringing is on the 10Khz frequency

http://www.changstar.com/www.changstar.com/index.php/topic%2c1101.0.html

It also doesn't appear to be that inside foam. Seems to be the foam on the back of the driver. (unless I misread the thread)

Scroll down to post number 8

>>62175617
Portugal

>>62175243
It looks workable.

>>62175208
>How does that work?
Impedance of HF5 is not constant or approximately so. Balanced armatures necessarily have a significant amount of inductance. Impedance climbs up with increasing frequency, and with local peak at mechanical resonances (around 2-2.5 kHz on ED driver).
Voltage is wasted on the resistor, but disproportionately so. The low frequencies are dropped more than the the stuff above 5kHz. Shifts HF5 sound, which is like HD650, into something brighter.

>>62175548
That's an artifact of the frequency response.

>>62173762
It is fine. It used to be more popular some time back. Can be a little small.
ID overemphasizes the region around 1kHz. It doesn't have much of midrange bump.
Can be a little sharp with the 7-10kHz region. Some interplay with the various resonances of the ear.
Above 10kHz stuff is unimportant. The dummy head tolerance for this region is usually +/- 15 dB on a good day.
>msr7
Treble can be harsh. I tend to fix it by adding more treble. Smooths out the treble transition zone to the local maxima around 9-10kHz.

>>62175166
>But they are better than the HF5 from a sound accuracy perspective, right?
Yes, but HF5 with a 75 ohm adapter will be better from a sound accuracy perspective.
>What's the difference between the MK5 and the other two anyways?
MK5 are very close to ER-4S in terms of accuracy. They're extremely accurate.
>>62175208
>Does the 75ohm adapter actually change the sound though?
Yes. It will change the frequency response to be close to that of an ER-4S.

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Would you buy variable bass headphones from a black man?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sennheiser-HD-630VB-Audiophile-Headphones-Perfect-Condition-/302430248534

>>62175669
>That's an artifact of the frequency response.
The distortion spike is an artifact of the frequency response? Explain.

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>>62162499
poorfag here

AKG K240 or Samson SR850?

>>62175357
That plugin alone cannot produce accurate results above 1 kHz. It cannot account for your unique ear and its unique resonances. You would need to further refine the >1 kHz response using a sine wave generator as reference for accurate results.
Following the instructions in https://www.head-fi.org/threads/how-to-automatically-eq-your-headphones-to-online-measurements-a-step-by-step-guide.854773/ should provide superior results to Sonarworks.

>>62175394
Adding to the other anons, there is also the ATH-AD1000X and ATH-R70X

>>62175672
>75 ohm adapter
Can you enlighten me on this? I have no idea about that stuff.
How uncomfortable are the MC5? I used to have the HF5 and it was annoying from time to time, but especially so during the mornings after taking a shower (because of all the water in my ears).

>>62175693
SHP9500S on Newegg

>>62175605
>See my pic
What pic?

>>62175394
HD600, obviously, and it's not even close. You should honestly kill yourself if you even briefly consider the aesthetics of home use only headphones.

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>>62175501
>DT880
Whatever you do, avoid these like the plague. Shitty retard treble cannons.

>>62175714
>Being this angry
Relax, anon! You aren't going to convince anon if you keep aggressively shilling your headphones like that
>Not even close
Headphones are subjective; it all depends on what anon wants, and he hasn't given us that information

>>62175603
What pads should I get for the hifimans? Do any of the brainwavz one work?

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>>62175729
The eq the treble peak, dumdum. You now have headphones similar to the HD 600s, but without detachable cables, mind you

>>62175743
>pad swapping the 400i
never ever do this, you'll ruin the sound

>>62175711
>Can you enlighten me on this?
They're cheap on ebay. They add 75 ohms of impedance to the chain. With this particular earphone it changes the frequency response for the better.

>>62175712
can you give me a quick breakdown of what each offers? highs, mid, and lows

>>62175748
I thought they were better with the focus pads or other angled pads?

>>62175762
They come with focus pads.

>>62175501
K712 sound like low IQs, collard greens and stolen bikes.

>>62175765
Oh, I had no idea. Thank you.

So excited to hear these headphones.

>>62175761
Just throwing another option for you to consider. They're bass lite neutral headphones erring on brightness

>>62175501
what about a sound card for any of these?

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>>62175501
>HE-400i/400S
*Gluing intensifies*

>>62175770
Remember, headphones are subjective!
>>62165564

>>62175699
>ATH-AD1000X and ATH-R70X
Poor ergonomics; will not stay in place on heads that are not above average in size.

>>62175787
Shouldn't be of an issue

>>62175794
>if I link to Jervonte's image that'll show him
K712 sound like high murder rates, watermelon and 40's of malt liquor.

>>62174946
I have no idea. I think I found out about reddit from 4chan. I guess that shows how muc attention it gets. But I don't visit.

>>62175698
Ears have more usable generality than that. 1kHz is far too low.
It should be more comparable to about 5-7kHz.

>>62175711
Series resistor. It will be the shape of a little plug, or a short extension cable like the ones that Etymotic and Ultimate Ears sell.
The high frequencies will be attenuated less than the lower and mid frequencies, shifting the spectral balance up so that it sounds brighter, or less dark.

>>62175690
Compares ratio of the harmonic overtones to the fundamental. The fundamental cancels itself out but with the overtones present, making the ratio exaggerated.

>>62175805
Stop throwing this meme. The ATH-AD series had this issue, not the R70X. As long as you don't have a manlet-tier head size, they will fit on. Seriously, last time you made this post, you said you needed a humongous head size

>>62175827
>The ATH-AD series had this issue, not the R70X.
Wrong.

>>62175823
Are headphones subjective or not?

>>62175837
>Wrong
False. They are smaller headphones; they fit much better

>>62175853
>False.
Wrong.

>>62175857
>Wrong
Incorrect!

>>62175805
This is correct and is why I returned my R70X. I was much happier with the HD600 I got instead.

>>62175876
Proof?

>>62175582
Obvious bait is obvious.

>>62175907
I'll post unboxings during the begging of the second week in october.
Because I'm a bitch and want to bank a few more paychecks.
SAVE THE DATE

>>62175674
DM and ask to drop the price because "they are obviously stolen"

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These two headphones look very similar in sound huh?

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>>62175940
>bass rolloff

>>62175940
2nd one has better midrange/lower treble frequency response consistency across placements and a much wider dip around 6K.
1st has better mid + upper treble consistency and less of a bass hump. I don't think they'll sound that similar.

>>62175973
>>62175983
Left is hifiman he400i right is ath r70x

>>62175940
I don't think so.
R70X has more bass, upper bass in particular. 400S has severe lack of bass extension.
R70X has more upper midrange as well.

>>62175996
Left is surely the 400S or 4XX? I remember IF's 400i measurement to have much more linear bass.

>>62176013
Anon had it wrong
>>62176003
This anon has it correct

>>62176013
Yes, you are right. Sorry, I must have misread the link from google's results.
Good to know that the he400i is better than that.
Reconsidering the r70x now though. Maybe i'll have to get both and compare then return one and order my msr7

>>62176063
That would probably be the best thing to do. You can judge sound to an extent from graphs, but you can't judge comfort.

>>62176094
I struggle to recreate what the graph is telling me into a sound in my mind. I think one thing, then say drop a certain frequency in my EQ all the way to 0 to to know what is missing and I'm always totally wrong.
Graphs are hard, man.

>>62176063
I hate to be that guy, but... $100-150 more for a used LCD-2, $200-300 for a used HD800

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>>62176110
fuck

>>62176108
It's something you do have to get a feel for, but there are many charts online which shows the frequency ranges of various instruments. The hardest thing to do is to EQ vocals.

>>62176144
>vocals
If you cared about that (midrange), you'd be using HD600.

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I organized headphone suggestions into a website. v1 enjoy https://canpicker.com/

>>62176213
Not anon, but they're neutral enough. Some stuff are better, some stuff are worse

Anyone else fall asleep while wearing their hd600? Super comfy

>budget
$250-$320aud
>Location
Down under
>Source
Primarily phone but some desktop use
>Open or closed
Don't mind but probably closed
>comfort level
Over ear with decent cushioning
>Sound signature
Neutral or slight bass boost
>Past headphones
Shitty Logitech g430, Xiaomi piston 3

Was looking into some sound cancellation headphones and the blackbeat pro 2 doesn't look too bad but I havent found much about it on g.

>>62176223
>HD579 available
>increase minimum price
>HD579 goes away, leaving the identical-to-worse HD599 there.
Cute.
Obvious suggestion: Remove freedom of "minimum price". Leave only maximum price (aka budget).
Because it's well known (recent paper) price and FR aren't correlated.

>>62176252
>320aud
HD569, HD380 Pro, cd900st, mdr-7506, status cb-1.

>>62176266
>HD569, HD380 Pro, cd900st, mdr-7506, status cb-1.
KEK

>>62176252
Adding HM5 and M40X along with anon's other recommendation

>>62176252
if you're australian you can't go wrong with AKGs because they are at a lot of stores

>>62175132
>>62175208
>>62175672
>75 ohm adapter
ER4PT comes bundled with 75ohm adapter because they're 25ohm to begin with ER4S is 100 ohm. So HF5 need 100ohm adapter. Who the fuck is this dude recommending the 75ohm adapter for the HF5s? Google HF5 and 75ohm adapter and they say it sounds bad with them.

>>62176258

Eh, being able to remove really cheapo stuff you don't want to look at seems useful enough. You're not going to look at $20 things when you're shopping in the $200 level. Even if the 579 has superior sound, the 599 has a detachable cable that can drastically increase its life expectancy.

It's a tool to cut down on available choices. It's on the user to do further research if he cares to.

>>62176337
>Even if the 579 has superior sound, the 599 has a detachable cable that can drastically increase its life expectancy
HD579's cable is detachable.

Gardo Sr60/80e or Philips SHP9500?

>>62176380
Philips

>>62176380
80e

>>62176373

Oh hmm, yeah I even listed it on the website. Should I just remove HD 599 from the list as a bad value?

>>62176392
>>62176409
Fuck

>>62176410
>Should I just remove HD 599 from the list as a bad value?
Correct. They're literally worse HD579's that typically cost 50% more.

>>62176380
Sr60

>>62176421
>Sr80e
They don't look very...
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-1/graph#307/1184

>>62176457
>rtings

>>62176467
No kind of compensation is going to fix that mess

motherfucking wolf spider ran across my laptop screen while I'm in bed. obnoxious little shits

>>62174791
>Faster transient response
That would relate more to high frequency response than anything else. High frequency extension.

>>62176319
Please read links.
allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-6/voltage-divider-circuits/
allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-5/series-r-l-and-c/

With the series resistor, HF5 will still have more or less the same response as the ER4S at that point.

>>62176380
SHP9500 by a mile. Grados are uncomfortable treble cannons.

>DT990
32 ,250 ,600 ohm what should i get?

>>62176718
They're all shit.

>>62176718
32 unless you got some real powaaa

>>62176730
this, i wouldn't pay 10 bucks for them

>>62176718
Unless if you know you can rune them well, 32 is your go-to option

>>62176718
The ones with mids, so none of them.

>>62176730
>>62176753
>>62176832
>Getting this riled up over something subjective
Any other better v-shaped headphones for the price, dear anons?

>>62176844
Time to put "dear anon" into the filter. :^)

>>62176868
>No other options
Thought so :^)

>>62176881
Beats by dre
Checkmate :^)

>>62176896
And which model, hmmm anon?