/pcbg/ - PC Building General - Intel Barbeque edition

>>62081618
>tfw GTX1080 arrives tomorrow

what 1440p 60 hz monitor should i get? no freesync unless it's a negligible price difference

does threadripper have a psp or equivalent?

which ryzen motherboard has good sound for my hd600?

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She lives!
Thanks for the help lads, you've been great!
Again.

>>62081650
Literally every non-gsync monitor is freesync these days. Can't go wrong with LG or Benq as long as you go IPS.

>>62081676
POO

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>>62081696
Much, much worse I'm afraid.

>>62081676
shave the moustache friendo

>>62081715
You look more t*rk than slav desu

poorfag here
should i upgrade my GPU or RAM first?
my ram is 4GB and GPU GT 740
i can buy 16GB or 1050TI first.

Is Gsync worth the price premium?
Don't think I can get an AMD card anytime soon.

>>62081746
russian women were fucked by turks and mongols
they are one people now

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>>62081746
We are asiatic people.

>>62081618
>intel barbeque
>powermac.jpeg

>>62081750
pretty sure your cpu is shit too, so gpu, and then buy cpu+mobo+ram. buying ddr3 would be stupid.

>>62081581
>>62081572
>>62081568
This better?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/zHrVNN

>>62081618
>that paint will chip in his food
>aluminum bad for health
>too little meat
>that's not how you cut a steak
You call that tech?

>>62081834
thanks..i guess i had to eat noodles for that cpu+mobo+ram combo. [spoiler]im still using ddr3 mobo and ram and i3[/spoiler]

>>62081868
SSD would be pretty useful desu

>>62081908
lel, forgot about adding one into that. Just been chopping and changing it so.

>>62081954
Looks great other than that. I'm jelly.

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So my dad told me he likes my desktop and wants to build something similar. I have a riced out gaymen setup and he likes the rgb and clear side panel. He only uses a PC for web browsing but says he likes the look of a full tower.

I'm thinking of getting him an i5 and a cheap z/b270 board with a little rgb in addition to a TG side panel case and a flashy aio cooler (the two things he says are a must).

Only going with a locked i5 because he does not need a separate graphics card. Thoughts or suggestions?

Ideal budget is about $1k

>>62082000
>i5

>>62081618
should i go with a ryzen 3 or a g4560 for my budget build?

>>62082013
Then what do you suggest as an alternative with igpu for web browsing/netflix only

>>62082033
What do you plan to do with the build, do you have a GPU already in mind?

>>62082048
From the OP
G4560

>>62082033
ryzen 3. you have a better upgrade path, and the pentium is pretty limited even compared to an r3 1200. and you can overclock the ryzen very easily.

>>62082048

they're gonna tell you to buy a ryzen chip with a gpu. i bet you $5

>>62082000
For 1k, you might as well get an I7 K, and do some mild overclocking.
Get a decent amount of ram, and the fastest storage you can. Old people like things to just work when they click on it, so the faster you can make it, the better.

Which PSU does /pcbg/ recommend?

>>62082066
Yeah but
>netflix

>>62082057
I just want to play some games in 1080p. Maybe a GTX 1060 6GB.

>>62082093
$15 PSU.

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>>62082159

>>62082094
what about it?

>>62081618
>shitzen
hahahaha

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/q4mg6X
tfw RX 580 8GB is still cheaper than the GTX 1060 3GB here

>>62082241
SOPA

I have not bought a new HDD in 7 years, now I need a new 2TB disk. What's hot shit nowadays?

>>62082320
Seagate Barracuda

>>62082251
samefag here, anything i should change?
meant to type that before, but i'm multitasking here

>>62082347
You sure that's not the one that breaks after a week?

Store fucked my G.skill RipjawsV Black 2x4GB DDR4 3200MHz CL16 Dual Channel order up so they are offering me now a Corsair Dominator Platinum 2x4GB DDR4 3200MHz CL16 Dual Channel cmd8gx4m2b3200c16 wich isn't on the b350 pro4 QVL but somehow the 3000mhz cl 15 version is ,does this mean that mine will work at it's normal speed?

>>62082419
I should work. Nice upgrade though. It should work no problem since that uses the Samsung B-die that Ryzen loves!

>>62082101
You're in a really tight spot, a g4560 and gtx 1060 would work okay, but make no mistake there would be bottlenecking now that will only get worse fast as time goes on. You could step down to a g4560 and 1050ti, and it would do some current 1080p gaming, but would have no real upgrade path. Maybe you could upgrade the g4560 with a used 7th gen processor later on, but new chips wouldn't be compatible with any MB you have. You could go with a R3 which would be a bit more expensive than the 4560, but is only slightly better at gaming right now. Even if you go with the Ryzen you would still have to upgrade it about the same time a 1060 would start to show age. The saving grace is that you could upgrade your CPU with the next gen of Ryzen on the same MB.
My advice would be to try and same that little extra to get an R5, even if you have to pair it with a 1050ti for now to save a few bucks on a 1060. Not a bad idea considering the 1060 price range is more than it should be. Then you'll have a solid processor that will last a while, and still have an option to upgrade years down the line. The CPU will have more life than the GPU, so when the 1050ti becomes too poor to keep up you can easily bump that out with something else, and the rest of the system will still be okay.

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I need to clean out my dusty as fuck and I was wondering what brand of compressed air I should buy to clean it out. Or does it not matter? I'm just scared if damaging it

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Need some case fans for a Fractal Design Define R5. Is there a tier list of case fans I can look at or any infodumps I can parse through to make it easier? Anything will help.

>>62082493
*dusty as fuck computer

>>62082251
if you're going to overclock, you could just get the 1200.

Why is the EVGA Supernova 650W G2 model more expensive than the G3 model?
Am i not right in the assumption that G3 is strictly better than G2?

>>62082528
1200 here is just 25 euro cheaper, no its a no brainer

>>62082507
buy static pressure fans for case fans
noctuas aren't a meme if you want top tier performance but basically any 140mm won't be that far behind

>>62081671
just buy intel because you were dumb enough to buy sennshit, then you can burn your house down and rid yourself from the gene pool

>>62082553
it's literally the same if you're going to oc though.

>>62082614
Is there anything airflow fans are actually better for than static pressure? It feels like static pressure is what everyone says you should have on everything.

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i bought a 1080 g1 gaming
how fucked am i

What mouses /pcbg/ recommends for gayming? I have never bought one over 10 dollars before so any budget you think is right will do.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2145355-ai-uses-bitcoin-trail-to-find-and-help-sex-trafficking-victims/

Hah.

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>>62082983
Prolly not as fucked as I am. It's arriving tomorrow.

>>62082985
g403

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>>62081618
>>62071230
I would like advice on this build:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tj9G8K

Budget: about $4000

Purpose: tactical support AI research. Will run GNU/Linux. Mainly intended as a replacement for a computer cluster, because uhhhhh we can't get access to our typical one because of military issues.

I really want something where I can run a bunch of different simulations or processes, which is what the threadripper is for. Hoping to run sun grid engine so I can submit and run jobs on this thing.

Now this is going to sound really funny, but I might really need to run a bunch of instances of first person shooters, but with minimal to no graphics.(I wish I was joking here)

Two nvidia graphics cards, because MUH DEEP LEARNING, and google's TPU isn't out yet. Also, for GPU computing, or helping with running multiple instances of FPSes. NVMe SSD because fast disk read and write really benefits us. I may run some sims that will spit out gigabytes of data that need to be logged fast.

Questions:
Do I really need watercooling for threadripper? Is there a cheaper more professional looking case(with lots of space) I can use? I've heard Vega can directly access NVMe devices, can these nvidia cards do the same? Is it worth considering Vega for compute, or is vega complete shit?

Pic related is sort of what we're hoping to build

>>62082971
Static fans are technically better at their job than airflow, but airflow fans have a harder time pushing against hot air for intake reasons. The difference isn't large, but typically the difference in prices for airflow and static fans aren't large either.
They would be good for exhaust fans for this reason. Just keep in mind, the more fans you slap in your case, the less of a return you'll see from them.

>>62083052
water-cooled threadripper is useless, you'll reach the peak of stability before you hit the peak temperature with an air cooler

>>62082983
I have 2, they're OK but don't reach crazy OC like 2100+ MHz, at least mine don't. No coil whine or anything like that.

Moving from alaska back down to the states. Having trouble trying to figure out what to do with computer. Thinking about packing mobo, gpu, and power and selling tower but they don't sell the tower I used to have.

Used to have a corsair 550d. Give me a replacement tower. I dont need any goddamn lights or windows.

>>62083084
for 500 britbux i thought it was a decent price during the cryptocuckery era

>>62083077
Okay that makes sense, thanks for clearing it up. To be sure, a good theoretical setup would be to have a pair of static intakes and an airflow exhaust, correct?

>>62082251
Here i fixed it

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/CZmg6X

>>62083119
>Moving from alaska back down to the states.
Just don't bring any firearms you may have with you thru Canada unless you want your ass reamed, it's happened before.

>>62083184
>To be sure, a good theoretical setup would be to have a pair of static intakes and an airflow exhaust, correct?
I usually have 2 exhaust for good measure, but I've always been a retard and bought restrictive cases.
Crossing my benis in hopes for a solid panel meshify c in the future

>>62083131
I guess that sounds OK, I got mine when they first became available and I'm not keeping a close eye on prices since I'm not looking to upgrade, don't live in the UK either.

>>62083258
I was just keeping positive air pressure in mind, don't want dust being sucked in every last crevice. Good to know I was on the right track though.

>>62083202
>A320

Here's the pc i built 5 months ago, never thought i'd become a walking meme

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RQWbJV

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Anything wrong with ASUS VS248HR?

>>62083604
It's not a IPS

>>62082493
The brand for compressed air doesn't matter, but I would recommend looking into electric dusters. I got mine for 50$ on amazon and have used it plenty. Plus you don't have to worry about tipping it the wrong way and getting liquid all over your shit.

>>62082493
Go to a yard sale and buy an electric leaf blower. $10 free air for ever.

>>62083604
I prefer the 23" LG 75 Hz IPS, bout a tenner cheaper too.

Which of the following would /g/ recommend and why?

XF270HU for €520 (1440p144Hz)
AG271QG for €685 (same with Gsync)
34UM88 for €570 (1440p ultrawide, but 60 Hz)

My current computer has an A10 5800k and a GTX 460. I'm building a new rig but I am not sure if I want to go with an R5 1600 + GTX 1070 or an R7 + GTX 1060. Which would last me longer before needing an upgrade to get more gaming performance? I've had my current build for a long time now and I'd rather not have to relive the nightmare of getting <15fps on low settings on arma 3 and whatever games come my way in the next couple years.

>>62083796
Forgot to mention, GPU is 1080

>>62083796
Ultrawide is a meme unless you are going super ultra wide.

XB271HU

>>62083796
I got a XF270HU, its one of the best 1440p panels on the market

>>62083863
About €740, is it worth the extra 220 euros over non-gsync version?

Just bought the LG 24GM79G and then I realized that I have literally no idea how to setup a monitor correctly.

How do I adjust gamma, brightness and colour settings without fucking up?

MSI Krait / ASRock Killer SLI/ac or ASUS Prime PRo?

>>62083933
Just put something that doesn't fuck up your eyes?

>>62083806
For gaming, 1600 and 1070. Unless Arma is very different to usual games resources wise.

>>62083977
So there is no basic set up guide? You just have to experiment for each game what setting would be the best?
Lame af, my man

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>>62083623
Should I prefer the ASUS VC239H?

>>62083863
>unless you are going super ultra wide
>super ultra wide
what

anyone here know about insydeh20 BIOS?

>>62084046
34" and above

>>62081650
There is no reason to go 1440p and not get 144+ htz.

>>62083922
Is it something nice to have? Yes.
Is it worth it? Not at 220 euros.

>>62084065
In that case I agree. Got my LG 34" ultrawide IPS last week and shit's so fucking cash.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KZp8VY

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tyhg6X

No plans on building either. Just wanted to see if I could make a desktop with near identical spec to my Dell Inspiron 7567 laptop for less money.
Turns out I could.

>>62084100
Which model?

>>62084066
idiot

>>62084128
34UM68-P. I thought 1080p would look like shit at 34" but it actually look pretty gud. Probably would've noticed it if I came from a higher resolution though.

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>Start debating cases without 5.25"
>Someone mentions Define S
>Look at Define S
>Heywaitamintue
>Compare Define S to Define R5
>Same dimensions, but the Define R5 has more features

>>62084156
Just making my choices harder, that one looks pretty nice as well. I'm currently using a shitty BenQ 24" full hd TN, so I guess I wouldn't notice pixelation on that one?

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Start comp with Ryzen 7 cpu with no heatsink/fan. How long until I fry it?

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>>62084193
No you wouldn't but don't get a fucking TN anon. I've got my old one setup as a second monitor right now. Pic related is the difference in color.

>>62084198
The moment you put any load on it. Which is when you boot into your OS.

>>62084243
Yeah, IPS (or maybe VA, but I didn't find any reasonable ones) is a must, it's all that gsync, 1440p144hz (27") vs 3440x1440@60Hz (34") that is making this all extremely hard.
Me being a max value fag doesn't help anything either.

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>>62084244
Ok. Gonna kill myself now.

>>62084287
Why would you do that?

>>62084268
G-sync isn't worth it unless you really want to be completely specced out. My display has freesync and I just ordered a 1080 so that's going to waste. 90% of displays you find these days will have freesync. Refresh rate will depend on what kind of vidya you play. If you play a lot of fast competetive multiplayer games get a 144hz one if you don't, definitely get that 3440x1440 one.

>>62084324
Thanks anon. I'm gonna search a bit more for VA panels as well, maybe there's something good around (like maybe Z35 for the gsync + VA and ultrawide?).

>>62084300
Don't ask questions that you don't want answers to.

>>62084385
But I want the answers to that

how do I disable cpu graphics? my mb is a msi z270-a pro. I've tried googling this shit but it hasn't been much help

>>62084425
Just connect monitors to discrete GPU only and then basically the iGPU won't be used at all (from what I know)

>>62084198
>>62084244
that's wrong. it will boot into windows no problem, underclock itself and eventually shut down when the temperature gets too high (after a few minutes)

>plug PERIF cable into EVGA motherboard
>attach a few fans
>computer refuses to boot
Anyone know why this is happening?

>>62084040
>asus
no its shit, my asus monitor exploded about a month back, asus is low quality shit trying to sell itself as a premium brand

How much am I likely to sell a FX-6300 + 8gb ram system for (no hdd / basic graphics card)?

Looking at selling my old system for a bit of extra cash for a new one.

>>62083933

Windows comes with a passable colour calibration tool.

You're not going to get a proper calibration without physical filters.

Is it worth it to get a 4k monitor for media an programming. Where I am they cost about 500$

>>62083806
R7 is unlikely to perform much better than the 1600(x) for games in the near future, unless you plan to stream or otherwise multitask. Nvidia cards have been known to age badly on occasion(although maxwell hasn't suffered nearly as badly as kepler did), so I wouldn't trust 1060 to last for very long.

>>62084820
Dual monitor > Big monitor when it comes to programming.

should I wait for coffee lake or buying AMD now?

>>62084935
I forgot to say, this would be as a second monitor.

>>62085000
Why would you need 2 4k monitors?

>want to buy 1080 or Aftermarket Vega 56
>not a few 1080 left, only 1080Ti
>if buy 1080Ti I'm worried about being fucking in the butt by Volta because 1070>980Ti
>if buy aftermarket Vega 56 it may cost around 1080 level i.e. USD550 and/or the performance is still shit even the "wonderful" primitive shaders are enabled
What do, /pcbg/?

>>62085021
The one I have is 1080p

>>62085037
A 4k monitor is nice but it seems a little excessive. Depends on your setup really. Do you sit in the middle of two monitors? Or use one as your main and another off to the side tilted. Cause if it is the later, 4k is really too big for such a setup.

Should I bother building a PC? I'm having a bit of a dilemma here.

On the one hand, I want to build a PC so I can have a machine that doesn't crash when trying to record music in a DAW, and I also would like to be able to play some modern games on decent settings.

On the other hand, I don't really want to do intense research into building, and I'd rather just be spoonfed because I just don't have a lot of time to research and I really don't care enough to waste a bunch of time finding what parts to buy and how to build it and whatever.
I'm also not a ridiculously avid gamer, and there's only a small handful of modern games I want to play right now, and I can just play them on console, which I generally prefer, but there are some games I want on PC like New Vegas and a few more modern games like the new DOOM. Finally, the biggest issue is I'd really prefer to spend around 500-600 dollars. I really don't feel that I want to sink a lot of money into this unless it's going to be worth it.

So my question is, should I even bother trying to build a PC, or should I just buy a pre-built one and call it a day?

>>62085026
get vega 56

>>62084995
Depends. 8700k will almost certainly be the best gaming CPU you can get(at least until Zen2 comes out sometime late 2018), but coffee lake is unlikely to offer competitive price/performance.

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>>62085086
>8700k will almost certainly be the best gaming CPU
>skylake based 6 core
>best for gaming
WEW LAD no, garbage is same price as a 7800x and prob the same shit performance too

>>62085063
I would be sitting in the middle of the two. But It might be too big actually, thanks man

>>62085078
Are all Vega 56 cards including the aftermarket cooler cards launched at 28th August? Or just the reference blower cards?

>>62085136
all the ones that are ready, there might be come aftermarket ones, i know asus will be ready

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>>62085114
It's a coffee lake six core though

>>62085136
Probably just reference for now.

>>62085161
>coffee lake
which is kaby lake with six cores
which kaby lake is just skylake on 14nm++

its skylake once again, its shit

>>62085161
Your IQ is in the double digits though

>>62085191
But Kaby Lake isn't shit obviously. According to that graph you posted.
What you meant was clearly that somehow more cores makes the chip worse.
Not a word about bingbus vs mesh, cache or anything else.
Are you just baiting or actually this stupid?

>>62085086
I'm gonna laugh my ass off when it turns out to be better than the six and eight core Skylake-X parts too

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>>62085229
>Kaby Lake isn't shit obviously
I love it when my quad core is consuming as much power as a 8 core, maybe i will finally get 5 more fps than a AMD cpu.

Kaby lake is a fucking housefire disaster marketed towards retards.

>>62085072
Well, you're very unlikely to find a decent prebuilt that does what you want for $600. If you want to play modern games on decent settings, you'll have to spend more money, more time, or both.

Really, though, building your own PC isn't really all that hard. You can find premade lists on pcpartpicker for example, and actually assembling it takes a few hours(if it's your first time), but not much research as long as you can follow the motherboard manual.

>>62085114
The 8700k almost certainly won't suffer from having mesh or AVX-512 optimized cache hierarchy with undersized L3 cache.

I've been saving a while to get a new computer and the time is finally here. I've saved $1500 for this and so far this is my parts list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nvzNM8
If someone could give pointers and opions that would be great. I also still need a case and a wireless card. Lastly I wanted to do a triple monitor set up, So if someone could point out a good monitor for such a thing that would be great.

>>62085276
No, it will just suffer from every other intel fuckup, including a $400 price tag, housefires, jizz TIM, botnet, ect...

And im still not convinced that this cpu doesn't have the shrunk l3, if it does its performance is going to be worse than a ryzen 5 1600 or my 4790k

>>62085260
>Kaby lake is a fucking housefire disaster
It obviously isn't. Is it marred by some silly decisions like cum TIM and whatnot. But it's a cracking chip!

>>62085312
>No, it will just suffer from every other intel fuckup, including a $400 price tag, housefires, jizz TIM, botnet, ect...
Obviously. But so does 7700k and it's still the best CPU for high-FPS gaming if you're willing to spend $100 over 1600 for minor improvements.

>>62085309
Do you really want an ITX build? And an optical drive?

i7 6700k or 7700k? i'm upgrading from a i5 6600 non k, which i will be giving to my cousin.

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>>62085315

>>62085376
Yeah, I need an optical drive because I still work on some old systems that need them.

Also, I wasn't sure on ITX, I am on the fence about it

How do I decide what PCI wificard I should buy?

>>62085437
Better invest in some way to get a cable to your PC desu

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>>62085315
>cracking chip!
i think you mean crackleing

>nearly the same power consumption as a fucking 16 core
just lol

>>62085437
Just pick the one with the most letters

>>62085437
Don't go wifi. Ethernet, or if that's not possible, PLC.

>>62085276
>You can find premade lists on pcpartpicker for example,

I actually did see an entry level guide on there and I was curious as to whether or not I should just go with that. It's simpler and less of a hassle for me and seems to still provide you with a decent machine.

Probably a dumb question, but how well can a i7 can a 6700k play 4k videos?

>>62085363
>7700k and it's still the best CPU for high-FPS gaming

see >>62085114
you arent going to notice 10 frames, you are going to notice the constant stuttering due to having only 4 fully loaded cores

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>ol faithful finally brokedown after 3+ years
>laptop took a shit too but it was always shitty
>school right around the corner
>Miners leaving me with my shitty 740
Fuck baskets this sucks

>>62085498
MOCA is better than PLC if you have coax

>>62085437
tplink archer t6e

>>62085498
go away luddite

>>62085507
If nothing else, it should provide a good starting point. But the prices fluctuate, you might find something for sale, etc. so it's always better to doublecheck.

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My CPU isn't gonna be here till tomorrow, but this is a cool fuckin teaser.

>>62085516
bad, you need 6 or more cores to do it without stuttering

so you need either any intel extreme from the last 5 years or ryzen

>>62085550
that thumbnail looks vaguely like white water rafting

>>62085550
What kind of build are you doing that uses DDR3?

>>62085072
You're not the type to build a pc since Your budget is too small for asking to different things. Stick to console for gaymen and just search for good audio/recording oriented pc

>>62085574
One that's not unecessarily tryhard

>>62085558
Well that sucks, I have a z170 motherboard and was wondering how well it can handle it. I'm guessing its the same for the 7700k?

Are the new coffee lake i3/i5s likely to be better value than Ryzen?

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>>62085574
A build that will get you roasted but it's a beast to me, the FX-8350, just want to have an overclockable machine that is cheap.

Im getting antsy what should i buy today for my build at my local frys or whatever? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MkRJLD

>>62085592
yes, like everything that isnt airsoft agent simulator 3, the 7700k is shit

>>62085597
no flagship i7 is now $400
top range i5 (8600k) in nearly $300
and the i3's will be similar to kaby lake i5's in performance and usually matched or outdone by ryzen 3

>>62085598
>fx8350
housefire garbage

>>62083013
Ayylmao

Dude I got a GTX 1080 Brand New for £460 a few months back

>>62085636
Well i guess i'll just buy the 6700k, use it for a few generations then build a new pc in the future. I regret buying a non k 6600.

>>62085589
There's nothing tryhard about DDR4, even the cheapest Ryzen build has to use it.

>>62085679
a cheap house fire though
what are they 115$?

>>62085597
i3 vs r3 maybe, i5 vs r5 almost certainly not. It would have to undercut 1600 by quite a bit because SMT is a significant performance multiplier.

>>62085679
I tjink AMD was too liberal with the voltage on those 8350s, they can crank of the mhz pretty high before crashing, I'm gonna see hat my chip does, or how low I can undervolt it at a static 4GHZ.

>>62085694
Just get an early Pentium 4 if you want a cheap house fire. Can buy them in bulk for $20.

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I am going to bitch for a sec. Look at this. Look at this fucking thing. Look at how large it is. The lack of 5.25" in case is supposed to allow smaller cases. This is just a standard depth case without 5.25". And a lot of cases are like this. They just remove a fucking option while making no moves to shift the space around.

>>62085717
I was a fan of the 6350 but never looked at the 8350

>>62085746
I love the 8350, but that FX6300 was damn tempting, 89.99 brand new on amazon.

Will 600w be good enough for vega 56

>>62085730
nobody wants optical drives anymore grandpa.
"oh no i can't plug in my floppy drive in new motherboards" - you

>>62081618

is there a site with a database of games that require the most VRAM when you're chaging settings in the game and it shows how much ram is being used based on all the settings

is there a site that has easy to use checkboxes for the most normally used settings across games to let you see if you need 2GB, 3/4GB or 6/8 GB based on your likes?

>>62085730
isn't it to allow larger radiators? where else would you put a 280mm one?

>>62085777
5.25" isn't just for optical drives. It's for system readouts and fan controllers and fleshlight mounts.

>>62085777
You're completely missing his point though, he's saying the lack of 5.25" is supposed to allow for smaller full ATX cases

Are 600 W enough for 980Ti or should I buy a used 750 W PSU from a friend?

>>62085682
Delete this. I paid 545 eurobucks for that. It's literally the cheapest one available.

>>62085813
Unless you're pairing it with firelake-x, 600W is going to be more than sufficient.

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>>62085679
Why is everyone saying this wtf I'm having it since 3/4 years with the stock cooler and never went beyond 65°C in a ~30°C room

>>62085833
YOU DIED TWO YEARS AGO, ANON.

>>62085777
Forget floppy drives, I just wish I could get my SCSI controller to work.

>>62085833
Man, who knows. It's only the FX-9xxx series that were really housefires.

>>62085882
This, AMD really wasted it's FX8350 lottery winners to make bullshit 220w chips with too high voltage when the 8350 doesn't even need that much to do 4.7

IN WHAT ORDER SHOULD I BUY THE COMPONENTS FOR MY FIRST BUILD?

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Shit why are these so cheap? I paid like $124 for the 8350

>>62086013
Board first, it's your platform.

>>62086013
just buy everything

>>62086020
Because they're shit

How high the 7350k generally OC?

>>62086068
I'm still glad I went 8350, my cooler wouldn't handle it at stock, but a binned piece of silicon would've been nice.

What's the preferred method to delid Intel these days? Still just a razor around the edges of the IHS?

>>62086020
beause they require a nuclear reactor,and your house wll be an oven in summer. oh and single core performance is abysmal.

thank god for Ryzen and the insurgency of the pajeets

>>62085783

Would be too hard to do it accurately.

unused ram = wasted ram, if there's space games may try to fill it even if it doesn't really need it so you'd struggle to get accurate figures

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>>62085824
Haha fucking retard.. I did too senpai

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>>62086020

>>62086162

no but every game has a bar at the bottom when you're adjusting graphical settings that says how much it needs for each setting and wont let you save if its past your card's VRAM

is there a database that keeps track of that number or atleast shows the average for AAA games

and i dont mean some online meme like "you only need 2 gigs for this resolution, an 4 for that"

>>62084198
dude watch out you can get autobanned if you post her pics , happend to me

>>62086178
Man that's weak for a cheap that cost a shit ton, at least the 8350 is appropratly priced and will outperform a 3770 when overclocked and taken advantage of in video editing applications.

>>62084066
Dumbass. 144hz if you play competitive fps games. If not you go 60hz

>>62086205
>no but every game has a bar at the bottom when you're adjusting graphical settings that says how much it needs for each setting and wont let you save if its past your card's VRAM
I've played zero games that do this.

Hey /g/.

I'm saving up money to build a G4560 & b250M computer.

I plan to pirate Win7, but I've heard that the G4560 is Win10 only.

Any solutions?

>>62086238
pirate windows 10

>>62086246
Isn't Windows 10 really fucking awful though?

>>62086238
If you want something cheap that natively supports 7, you'll have to get an AM3+ MATX board and an FX6300.

>>62086246
Or this.

for 1080p gaming + development (android/iOS/web/databases)

should I go for the Ryzen 5 1600 or i5-7500?

>>62086258
Install Gentoo

>>62086266
Read the OP. There's basically no reason to get an i5 unless you really need iGPU or some shit.

>>62086266
ryzen 5 1600

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>>62085833

>65C
>30C room = 86 degrees in a room

why the hell is it almost 90 degrees in your room anon, its cooler in my PC case which has no fans except the stock intel cooler and the PSU pulling from inside

Is an 8gb 580 worth an extra 30 bucks over a 1060 6gb? I have a chance to get one right now but I don't want to spend the shekels if it's not going to get me a noticeable improvement.

>>62086234

the fuck nigger, literally every triple A title has this, maybe not your old ass fucking CSGO that was made when 775 was all the rage but every new title shows a VRAM usage/requirement and your cards total size based on all settings

>b350 ATX motherboards are almost the same price as Kaby Lake ones.

At best they're £5-10 cheaper. I thought one of the advantages of AMD was cheap motherboards...

>>62086238

windows 10 is fucking free you dumbfuck and isnt even supported any more

microsoft literally lets you download windows pro and create a bootable USB from their website

>>62086367
one of the advantages of amd is that you can overclock all the processors on that motherboard.

>>62086367
£73 for Asrock 350B pro4 vs £96 for Asrock z270 pro4. There's pretty much no reason to get x370 anyway.

>>62086367
Here in Europoorland you can get a B350-F Strix for 30-35 eur cheaper than a PRIME Z270-A.

Any alternatives to MacBook laptops? Looking for something as powerful, but with much lower price tag and similar warranty setup.

>>62081618
>GTX 1070 - 1080p@130hz
eh?

>>62086344
Eh...not really. The 580 is a bit faster overall, but unless you mostly play games that favor AMD, it's not a big difference.

>>62086478
If you're talking about AAA games it's a stretch

>>62082218
kaby lake drm chip for 4k netflix

>>62086443
>>62086445

£85 for the Asrock H270 Pro and £87 for the Asus AMD PRIME B350-PLUS on Ebuyer

Where are you seeing the cheaper boards?

>>62086524
What about OC?

is the Ryzen 1600x worth the hassle of no cooler?

>>62086524
You forget that you can overclock on b350, so in practice it's more comparable to z270 chipset assuming you're not going to buy an unlocked chip and then run it at stock speeds.

>>62086547
The 1600 with included cooler is considered the golden child of the entire lineup.

>>62086547
no

>>62086547
Assuming you were planning to use the stock cooler otherwise, probably not. The stock cooler on 1600 is enough for a moderate overclock, anyway.

Best 1440p 144Hz 27+ inch monitor for the price? Is G sync worth the extra cash or no?
Shits expensive.

How much should the 1180/2080/whateverthefuck80 differ in price and performance from the 1080TI? Not sure if waiting will be worth

>>62086620
It's way too early to speculate about the performance unless Nvidia decides to do pascal rebrand.

I always hate the PSU part of system building. It's the one thing where you get no direct benefit for (especially if you don't want to OC) but if you skimp on it it'll fuck the whole build.

>>62086702
>It's the one thing where you get no direct benefit for
More efficient PSU = less heat in the case. It's not a big benefit, but it's there.

>>62081676
can't tell if jose or pajeet

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/phK3xY
Still need memory, my HDD is already here, and debating a 1060

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Is this the kinda place to post specs and get suggested improvements, or should I look elsewhere?

>>62086238
It's unsupported but that doesn't stop you from installing it, especially if you're going to pirate it. Theres also windows 10 ltsb.

>>62086869
Yes.

>>62086869
You can post but most of the time you won't get any help

>>62086169
I'm hoping it's gonna be worth it. It's getting delivered tomorrow.

>>62085828
Pairing it up with i5 2500k (w/o oc) until my R5 1600 arrives.

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>>62086903
>>62086916
I didn't pick the parts, got it built/upgraded for me. But the guy that did it is into crack now so I guess I'm not talking to him anymore.

Cooler Master. Fuck your desk space.

>>62081868
I would get a ryzen 1700 add an ssd and maybe remove one of the hdds unless you really need it. Ssd dosent need to be big just using one as a boot drive makes your user experience 20x better

>>62086327
Germany, flat in top floor, it's almost always like twice as hot as outside

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>>62087016

>>62087016
>But the guy that did it is into crack now
>tfw mom smoked meth for years and worked 9 to 5
I have no doubts about this.

>>62087016
What kind of money are you willing to spend? Sandy bridge is starting to show its age, and Kepler has aged terribly, so you should probably just start over.

>>62087016
>autistic weeb who commits petty cybercrimes on a daily basis
>taking the moral high ground
you faggots never cease to amaze me

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I keep waffling on this, /g/.

Would it be worth it to go from a 4690k @4.5GHz to a 1600x? I play a lot of games but I also do audio production stuff. If I do, what RAM speed should I shoot for?

>>62087396
yes that cpu is ass

>>62087396
>If I do, what RAM speed should I shoot for
The highest you can get

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/bearfighter/saved/pdWGf7
I feel like I'm spending way to much on this quality of build

>>62087396
Sell the i5 before people realize they are trash an open yourself up to a future upgrade by getting an AM4 mobo which will be compatible with zen2 and the 1600 ,it's a slightly worse 1600x with a solid cooler which lets you OC to catch up while being cheaper than the 1600x.
For RAM try to get 3200Mhz or more

>>62087533
If you have money for RAM with LEDs on it you have enough money for normal 3200 Mhz RAM
other than that that price is reasonable

>>62081696
Racist gtfo

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2 instances running on a Threadripper build with unRAID vs 2 separate equivalent speed Ryzen builds, pros/cons? Day to day will be Windows and games, rarely will it do actual work on Linux.

>>62081618

im about to get a 7100T, almost half the power/heat than my 4600, still hyperthreaded with 4 cores and 630 graphics

my room will get up to 80 degrees

i might go all the way and also get an itx for even lower power build, my last 2 PC's were entirely passive outside of the CPU and PSU, not for noise i just didnt need it and temps are always lower than 30C across everything, mobo, cpu, HDD (now on SSD)

>>62087659
>He's not racist in current year

I'd just get their highest end AM4 stuff if you're playing games, get threadripper for stuff like X264 placebo transcoding that takes forever.

>>62087659
t.rajeet

>>62087616
I'll scratch the ram and shoot for just 8 of 3200 Mhz and I think I'll just stick with my shitty 740 till GPU prices drop back down or kidney prices shoot back up

>>62087703
>I'd just get their highest end AM4 stuff if you're playing games, get threadripper for stuff like X264 placebo transcoding that takes forever.
Meant for >>62087671

>>62087671

if you're considering TR, just get the 600 dollar i7-8260x or 8620x what ever it is

its faster than the 1950x and all other ryzens and the mobo options start at 100 less and will run every game as best as possible in terms of CPU, then just pair it with a 1080ti

>>62087711
16GB is too much but 8 is not enough as for the GPU it really depends on what you want to do with it

>>62087742
thats my dilemma since I'll be dropping 140 either way unless I go below 3200

does vram affect fps at all or would you just have texture pop-ins if you had insufficent vram?

>>62087785
It only affects the fps if the game uses a shit ton of VRAM, like how a GTX 690 is power as fuck, but a newer card that isn't as fast will beat it because it's got like 6gb of vram where a 690 has only 2gb per gpu.

TLDR

Old ass cpu with a shit ton of ram> new CPU with 512mb

>>62087785

it only affects the fidelity of the graphics

most games will have a bar showing your GPU's VRAM and as you adjust the settings it will increase or decrease the necessary RAM to display that level of detail

>>62087785
If you get over the limit you'll have shit fps. Set textures low enough and the amount of vram won't matter.
Today the standard for 1080p and normal quality is 4Gb.

8gb ram or 16gb?

>>62087963
16, because I'm sure you plan on doing some 3D editing.

>>62087963
For 1080p gaymen, 8 is still enough.

>>62087210
Not him, but I have a subscription to crunchyroll and I import most anime I like!

>>62087963
32

>>62087963
16. More and more games are coming out that use more than 8

>>62088022
you massive pleb
>paying for low res shit you coould stream or download in higher quality for free

>>62086020
Because they're old and busted actual housefires. That shit comes with like a 220W TDP.

Did I make a massive mistake buying 3000mhz ram instead of 3200
3200 is out of stock in this bumfuck fucking city and I've waited enough for parts to ship from my supplier...

>>62088133
Huge mistake, may as well toss it in the trash where it belongs. Your computer is never going to run well with 200 MHz slower RAM, just kill yourself right now.

>>62088129
They are pieces of shit at stock settings, but taking one of those, and clocking it at 8350 speeds with a super low voltage is not a bad idea.

>>62088143
:( I know you're being sarcastic but I still feel bad aboot it

>>62087159
Anything below $500 but I'd be willing to go higher if need be.
Again I'm a pleb when it comes to this stuff because I didn't technically make it.

>>62088175
In seriousness though, those 3000 MHz sticks will most likely run just fine at the same clock speed and timings as their 3200 MHz equivalents. There's a small chance they won't, but mostly they're the exact same shit as higher clocked SKUs in the same series.
What the clock speed listed on the specs really means is that that's what those particular sticks have been tested to run at, and are guaranteed to run at that speed by the manufacturer. Doesn't mean they won't go higher, which they most likely will easily.

>>62088133
No, you wouldn't notice the difference anyway

>>62086020
Because they are literally garbage. I would know. I own one and it's my greatest shame. You get the pleasure of a 0.3% performance difference over an fx 8350 in exchange for needing water or a ceiling fan to cool it.

>>62086041
>>62086020
Im going to my nearest micro center i just saw they have a processor mobo combo deal and with the rebate it comes out to be cheaper by 10 bucks than online. I guess the tax is the only disadvantage.

>>62088314
That's pretty good, a Calicuck like me would have to pay tax online as well.

Someone knows of a displayport cable that can take 1440p at 165hz? the included one with my monitor is too short and all the other ones i have aren't up for the task

>>62088534
after a bit more searching, seems i have to get a VESA approved cable for them bandwidth to be on par with what i need

this might be a wierd question, but does a newer pc physically produce less heat than an old one?

my old pc could provide heat for a small ukrainian familiy

>>62088693
computers have become more efficient, yes.

>>62088401
I too am a commiefornian. But it still comes out cheaper with tax included

>>62088803
Nice
>tfw no microcenter nearby

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>>62088963
>Tfw im driving 23 miles in socal during rush hour to get it before the mobo runs out
I reserved it but still. The jew is not to be underestimated.

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>>62089033
I feel you, originally wanted the a gigabyte board, but (((certain people))) wanted 200 bucks, so I got my msi.

>>62087963
The Danganronpa V3 demo out on Steam recommends 4GB minimum yet crashes if it can't allocate 6-7GB on startup, then takes Steam down with it.

16GB minimum goy :^)

Is it true B350 boards VRM temps will be high with ryzen 7 oc?

Do I really need to spend extra with X370s?

>>62089379
I'd get the enthusiast chipset if you're planning to OC and keep the thing for a while.

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>>62088217
Thank you anon!

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How easy is it to replace a CPU cooler? I'm technologically retarded and had my computer built by a friend who's no longer in town. I figured out how to replace the GPU/install a new hard drive, but the cooler scares me a bit.

My biggest concern is the bracket on the back - would I have to replace that as well, or do most coolers work just as well with any other?

dell p2715q or dell u2715h?
got to pick one of those two models, cost is pretty much the same, p is 4k u is 2k both 60hz
main usage programming, some light gaming (will game at lower res or in another 1080p display since I have a 3.5 970 until next year)

>>62089643
p2715q

What's up with those inflated prices of RX 580 cards? Are they ever going back to sub 300€?

>>62089864
mining craze jacked up everything and it's been that way for months
it will eventually drop back down

>>62089864
DONT BE HOPEFUL KID

where to get windows keys for really cheap?

>>62089884
>>62089901
Fug. I wanted that quake champions amd skin promo code.

>>62090058
ebay, reddit, chink key resellers.

>>62090112
what is quake champions

>>62090121
A video game. It's why you buy overpriced home burners.

>>62090137
it looks poopy from the pics I see

new thread

>>62090193

>>62090193

>>62090193

>>62090193

>>62090193

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>>62090300
>>62090300
>>62090300

>>62090307
Oops.

NEW THREAD

>>62090605
>>62090605
>>62090605