Why hasn't the document been leaked yet? It's been

Someone get this dick suck back to /pol/

Just google it lmao
https://pastebin.com/nJwfKjZc

>>61768750

/g/ isn't your safe space you incompetent cock gargling trash,

>>61768750
>Everything I dislike is a nazi and alt right

>>61768750
Shouldn't you be prepping the bull, libcuck?

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>>61768750
kys. this faggots is here 24/7 reading every thread just so he can say go back to /pol/

>>61768942
when did /g/ become KEK CITY lol

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>>61768942
Somebody's mad

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>>61768942
(((YOU)))

>>61768895
this

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>>>/pol/
Fuck drumpf and fuck white people

you fuckin' fence sitting commie nazis

In all seriousness I read a good amount of it and it sounds fairly reasonable.

>>61769186
stop baiting, shitskin

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>>61768942
>>>/tumblr/

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>>61769228
Of course it's reasonable. Why do you think SJW's hate it.

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>>61769186
Someone learned a low tier b8 from twitter. Participation medal incoming.

>>61768735
>Earlier this year, the US Department of Labor claimed that the company was withholding documentation related to a compliance audit, and that it has been systematically underpaying its female employees (Google has denied these allegations)

This is your reminder that companies that push diversity the most are the ones who are the most corrupt. Kinda like those how push for racial equality being racist themselves.

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>>61768864
>all these claims
>0 citation
kektus, this nigga thinks he's schopenhauer from 1700s
I agree with some of the points but what sane centrist wouldn't? just sounds like an angsty robot to me t b h

>>61769455
the version I read had citations.

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>>61768750
This anon is probably enjoying all the attention.

>>61768735
>>>/pol/lution

>>61769508
>4chan is just one person
27 replies and 19 posters. looks like pollacks are the ones samefagging.

>>61769590
not much else for them to do until Stacy gives them permission to leave their cuckshed

>>61769590
tfw soon /pol/ will infect /g/ as well

>>61769184
>>>/a/ back to your containment board, weeb.

>>61769636
I'd hope it'd go the other way around frankly, place is basically a mirror image of tumblr, an echo chamber of its own brand of identity politics

>>61769455
the leaked version had citations removed.

>>61769653
weebsite for weebs, friend

>>61770954
Wrong. This is a technology board, not a weebshit one. Take your shit elsewhere.

>>61770990
anime website, technology board is for people who like anime to talk about technology, if you don't like anime and weebshit then I really don't see what you're doing here in the first place

>>61768735
probably just says that they should hire based on merit rather than diversity and then everyone got triggered

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>>61768995
t r i g g e r e d

You americans sure got it rough, at least we just stone the kaffirs.

Jesus, all those triggered replies. Im surprised there hasn’t been an earthquake yet in california

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these two are exceptionally disgusting out of all of those replies.

>>61771070
Why is he referring to James as "they"?

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>>61769455
i am seeing numbered references in the pastebin.
it appears that the references/citations were removed from the pastebin.
anyway, all of that is common sense anyway, so citations arent even needed. maybe some of the big 5 psychology is the only thing that is not 110% common knowledge

>>61771070

Now his name is out I'm curious to see what happens to him

who are the people complaining? are they even working at google?

this has to be really bad adv for google as a workplace. looks like a bunch of idiots. i though it was top tier place to work with tons of smart people.

>>61771070
Faggots like this are why I no longer identify as liberal

>tfw google employees actually want to bash the fash

wtf i love google now

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tfw those 8 "extremists" were the last white males of the dev department and they were only moderately anti sjw

the only person I see being triggered by this are english and psych101 teaches...
way to state mostly obv observations slighty ignorant normie ass googler

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Dumping a leaked discussion from Blind, "an anonymous community app for tech professionals."

1/8

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#BROWSERBOSS
#SECURITYPRINCESS

Hijacking cookies from them white boys. ;)

#KODERGURL

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reading the document and all those comments of it kinda reminds me of those "I AM SILLY" comics.

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>>61771540
>anonymous
>still have to censor names
What a meme.

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goddamn some folks are emotionally and socially inept

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>>61771540
>1440x2560
>Phone screenshots
>Read 5 lines at a time
Stitch them together and resize it you twat

I am reading those screenshots and I am quite sure that majority of those people would not be able to solve basic boolean algebra.

>>61771612

the last one fall into the "im on nobody sides im so smart" position. its the worst of both

>>61771635
no u

>>61771582
At least they are nicknames.

>>61771647

i guess this is the marxis idea of "long march through instetutions".

they have already graduated tons of sjw activist from ivy legae unis. google takes them in, since they are ivy leage. then google get infested. the idea is taht you can take over a whole country like this. since you seize the means of productions

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>>61771054
its amazing to me how the far left defines taking resources unjustly away from whites and men is equality. if you want real equality, a pure meritocracy, they think that is racism and sexism when in truth they are the real racists and sexists.

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Right wing death squads when

>>61769243
Making fat people proud of being disgusting blobs is truly the worst crime of the SJWs. The whole fat acceptance thing is anti-vaxxer tier science denial.

>>61771054
This faggot obviously didn't even read it

>>61771698
>seize the means of production
>everyone who knows how to operate the means starved off
>comrades only know how to ruin capitalism not actually work or produce anything just destroy

>>61769421
Except the fed was asking for way more data than what was required for the investigation

>company created by white males
>thanks to white males it is so huge that they can afford hiring sjw for pr point
>sjw thinks that google is powerful because they works there.

>>61771698
The word is "entryism".

Reply to public response and misrepresentation

I value diversity and inclusion, am not denying that sexism exists, and don’t endorse using stereotypes. When addressing the gap in representation in the population, we need to look at population level differences in distributions. If we can’t have an honest discussion about this, then we can never truly solve the problem. Psychological safety is built on mutual respect and acceptance, but unfortunately our culture of shaming and misrepresentation is disrespectful and unaccepting of anyone outside its echo chamber. Despite what the public response seems to have been, I’ve gotten many personal messages from fellow Googlers expressing their gratitude for bringing up these very important issues which they agree with but would never have the courage to say or defend because of our shaming culture and the possibility of being fired. This needs to change.

TL:DR

Google’s political bias has equated the freedom from offense with psychological safety, but shaming into silence is the antithesis of psychological safety.
This silencing has created an ideological echo chamber where some ideas are too sacred to be honestly discussed.
The lack of discussion fosters the most extreme and authoritarian elements of this ideology.
Extreme: all disparities in representation are due to oppression
Authoritarian: we should discriminate to correct for this oppression
Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don’t have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership. Discrimination to reach equal representation is unfair, divisive, and bad for business.

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>>61771712
No death squads. Just exit.

Background [1]

People generally have good intentions, but we all have biases which are invisible to us. Thankfully, open and honest discussion with those who disagree can highlight our blind spots and help us grow, which is why I wrote this document.[2] Google has several biases and honest discussion about these biases is being silenced by the dominant ideology. What follows is by no means the complete story, but it’s a perspective that desperately needs to be told at Google.

Google’s biases

At Google, we talk so much about unconscious bias as it applies to race and gender, but we rarely discuss our moral biases. Political orientation is actually a result of deep moral preferences and thus biases. Considering that the overwhelming majority of the social sciences, media, and Google lean left, we should critically examine these prejudices.

Left Biases

Compassion for the weak
Disparities are due to injustices
Humans are inherently cooperative
Change is good (unstable)
Open
Idealist

Right Biases

Respect for the strong/authority
Disparities are natural and just
Humans are inherently competitive
Change is dangerous (stable)
Closed
Pragmatic

Neither side is 100% correct and both viewpoints are necessary for a functioning society or, in this case, company. A company too far to the right may be slow to react, overly hierarchical, and untrusting of others. In contrast, a company too far to the left will constantly be changing (deprecating much loved services), over diversify its interests (ignoring or being ashamed of its core business), and overly trust its employees and competitors.

Only facts and reason can shed light on these biases, but when it comes to diversity and inclusion, Google’s left bias has created a politically correct monoculture that maintains its hold by shaming dissenters into silence. This silence removes any checks against encroaching extremist and authoritarian policies. For the rest of this document, I’ll concentrate on the extreme stance that all differences in outcome are due to differential treatment and the authoritarian element that’s required to actually discriminate to create equal representation.

Possible non-bias causes of the gender gap in tech [3]

At Google, we’re regularly told that implicit (unconscious) and explicit biases are holding women back in tech and leadership. Of course, men and women experience bias, tech, and the workplace differently and we should be cognizant of this, but it’s far from the whole story.

On average, men and women biologically differ in many ways. These differences aren’t just socially constructed because:
They’re universal across human cultures
They often have clear biological causes and links to prenatal testosterone
Biolgoical males that were castrated at birth and raised as females often still identify and act like males
The underlying traits are highly heritable
They’re exactly what we would predict from an evolutionary psychology perspective
Note, I’m not saying that all men differ from women in the following ways or that these differences are “just.” I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership. Many of these differences are small and there’s significant overlap between men and women, so you can’t say anything about an individual given these population level distributions.

>>61771763
see >>61771215

Personality differences

Women, on average, have more:
Openness directed towards feelings and aesthetics rather than ideas. Women generally also have a stronger interest in people rather than things, relative to men (also interpreted as empathizing vs. systemizing).
These two differences in part explain why women relatively prefer jobs in social or artistic areas. More men may like coding because it requires systemizing and even within SWEs, comparatively more women work on front end, which deals with both people and aesthetics.
Extraversion expressed as gregariousness rather than assertiveness. Also, higher agreeableness.
This leads to women generally having a harder time negotiating salary, asking for raises, speaking up, and leading. Note that these are just average differences and there’s overlap between men and women, but this is seen solely as a women’s issue. This leads to exclusory programs like Stretch and swaths of men without support.
Neuroticism (higher anxiety, lower stress tolerance). This may contribute to the higher levels of anxiety women report on Googlegeist and to the lower number of women in high stress jobs.
Note that contrary to what a social constructionist would argue, research suggests that “greater nation-level gender equality leads to psychological dissimilarity in men’s and women’s personality traits.” Because as “society becomes more prosperous and more egalitarian, innate dispositional differences between men and women have more space to develop and the gap that exists between men and women in their personality becomes wider.” We need to stop assuming that gender gaps imply sexism.

Men’s higher drive for status

We always ask why we don’t see women in top leadership positions, but we never ask why we see so many men in these jobs. These positions often require long, stressful hours that may not be worth it if you want a balanced and fulfilling life.

Status is the primary metric that men are judged on[4], pushing many men into these higher paying, less satisfying jobs for the status that they entail. Note, the same forces that lead men into high pay/high stress jobs in tech and leadership cause men to take undesirable and dangerous jobs like coal mining, garbage collection, and firefighting, and suffer 93% of work-related deaths.

Non-discriminatory ways to reduce the gender gap

Below I’ll go over some of the differences in distribution of traits between men and women that I outlined in the previous section and suggest ways to address them to increase women’s representation in tech and without resorting to discrimination. Google is already making strides in many of these areas, but I think it’s still instructive to list them:
Women on average show a higher interest in people and men in things
We can make software engineering more people-oriented with pair programming and more collaboration. Unfortunately, there may be limits to how people-oriented certain roles and Google can be and we shouldn’t deceive ourselves or students into thinking otherwise (some of our programs to get female students into coding might be doing this).

Women on average are more cooperative

Allow those exhibiting cooperative behavior to thrive. Recent updates to Perf may be doing this to an extent, but maybe there’s more we can do. This doesn’t mean that we should remove all competitiveness from Google. Competitiveness and self reliance can be valuable traits and we shouldn’t necessarily disadvantage those that have them, like what’s been done in education. Women on average are more prone to anxiety. Make tech and leadership less stressful. Google already partly does this with its many stress reduction courses and benefits.

>>61768735
Le kek !!! Le KEK !!!

Women on average look for more work-life balance while men have a higher drive for status on average
Unfortunately, as long as tech and leadership remain high status, lucrative careers, men may disproportionately want to be in them. Allowing and truly endorsing (as part of our culture) part time work though can keep more women in tech.

The male gender role is currently inflexible

Feminism has made great progress in freeing women from the female gender role, but men are still very much tied to the male gender role. If we, as a society, allow men to be more “feminine,” then the gender gap will shrink, although probably because men will leave tech and leadership for traditionally feminine roles.
Philosophically, I don’t think we should do arbitrary social engineering of tech just to make it appealing to equal portions of both men and women. For each of these changes, we need principles reasons for why it helps Google; that is, we should be optimizing for Google—with Google’s diversity being a component of that. For example currently those trying to work extra hours or take extra stress will inevitably get ahead and if we try to change that too much, it may have disastrous consequences. Also, when considering the costs and benefits, we should keep in mind that Google’s funding is finite so its allocation is more zero-sum than is generally acknowledged.

The Harm of Google’s biases

I strongly believe in gender and racial diversity, and I think we should strive for more. However, to achieve a more equal gender and race representation, Google has created several discriminatory practices:
Programs, mentoring, and classes only for people with a certain gender or race [5]
A high priority queue and special treatment for “diversity” candidates
Hiring practices which can effectively lower the bar for “diversity” candidates by decreasing the false negative rate

Reconsidering any set of people if it’s not “diverse” enough, but not showing that same scrutiny in the reverse direction (clear confirmation bias)
Setting org level OKRs for increased representation which can incentivize illegal discrimination [6]
These practices are based on false assumptions generated by our biases and can actually increase race and gender tensions. We’re told by senior leadership that what we’re doing is both the morally and economically correct thing to do, but without evidence this is just veiled left ideology[7] that can irreparably harm Google.

Why we’re blind

We all have biases and use motivated reasoning to dismiss ideas that run counter to our internal values. Just as some on the Right deny science that runs counter to the “God > humans > environment” hierarchy (e.g., evolution and climate change) the Left tends to deny science concerning biological differences between people (e.g., IQ[8] and sex differences). Thankfully, climate scientists and evolutionary biologists generally aren’t on the right. Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of humanities and social scientists learn left (about 95%), which creates enormous confirmation bias, changes what’s being studied, and maintains myths like social constructionism and the gender wage gap[9]. Google’s left leaning makes us blind to this bias and uncritical of its results, which we’re using to justify highly politicized programs.

In addition to the Left’s affinity for those it sees as weak, humans are generally biased towards protecting females. As mentioned before, this likely evolved because males are biologically disposable and because women are generally more cooperative and areeable than men. We have extensive government and Google programs, fields of study, and legal and social norms to protect women, but when a man complains about a gender issue issue [sic] affecting men, he’s labelled as a misogynist and whiner[10]. Nearly every difference between men and women is interpreted as a form of women’s oppression. As with many things in life, gender differences are often a case of “grass being greener on the other side”; unfortunately, taxpayer and Google money is spent to water only one side of the lawn.

The same compassion for those seen as weak creates political correctness{11}, which constrains discourse and is complacent to the extremely sensitive PC-authoritarians that use violence and shaming to advance their cause. While google hasn’t harbored the violent leftists protests that we’re seeing at universities, the frequent shaming in TGIF and in our culture has created the same silence, psychologically unsafe environment.

Suggestions

I hope it’s clear that I’m not saying that diversity is bad, that Google or society is 100% fair, that we shouldn’t try to correct for existing biases, or that minorities have the same experience of those in the majority. My larger point is that we have an intolerance for ideas and evidence that don’t fit a certain ideology. I’m also not saying that we should restrict people to certain gender roles; I’m advocating for quite the opposite: treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group (tribalism).

My concrete suggestions are to:

De-moralize diversity.

As soon as we start to moralize an issue, we stop thinking about it in terms of costs and benefits, dismiss anyone that disagrees as immoral, and harshly punish those we see as villains to protect the “victims.”
Stop alienating conservatives.

Viewpoint diversity is arguably the most important type of diversity and political orientation is one of the most fundamental and significant ways in which people view things differently.
In highly progressive environments, conservatives are a minority that feel like they need to stay in the closet to avoid open hostility. We should empower those with different ideologies to be able to express themselves.
Alienating conservatives is both non-inclusive and generally bad business because conservative tend to be higher in conscientiousness, which is require for much of the drudgery and maintenance work characteristic of a mature company.

Confront Google’s biases.

I’ve mostly concentrated on how our biases cloud our thinking about diversity and inclusion, but our moral biases are farther reaching than that.
I would start by breaking down Googlegeist scores by political orientation and personality to give a fuller picture into how our biases are affecting our culture.
Stop restricting programs and classes to certain genders or races.

These discriminatory practices are both unfair and divisive. Instead focus on some of the non-discriminatory practices I outlined.
Have an open and honest discussion about the costs and benefits of our diversity programs.

Discriminating just to increase the representation of women in tech is as misguided and biased as mandating increases for women’s representation in the homeless, work-related and violent deaths, prisons, and school dropouts.
There’s currently very little transparency into the extend of our diversity programs which keeps it immune to criticism from those outside its ideological echo chamber.

These programs are highly politicized which further alienates non-progressives.
I realize that some of our programs may be precautions against government accusations of discrimination, but that can easily backfire since they incentivize illegal discrimination.

Focus on psychological safety, not just race/gender diversity.

We should focus on psychological safety, which has shown positive effects and should (hopefully) not lead to unfair discrimination.
We need psychological safety and shared values to gain the benefits of diversity
Having representative viewpoints is important for those designing and testing our products, but the benefits are less clear for those more removed from UX.

De-emphasize empathy.

I’ve heard several calls for increased empathy on diversity issues. While I strongly support trying to understand how and why people think the way they do, relying on affective empathy—feeling another’s pain‚causes us to focus on anecdotes, favor individuals similar to us, and harbor other irrational and dangerous biases. Being emotionally unengaged helps us better reason about the facts.

Prioritize intention.
Our focus on microaggressions and other unintentional transgressions increases our sensitivity, which is not universally positive: sensitivity increases both our tendency to take offense and our self censorship, leading to authoritarian policies. Speaking up without the fear of being harshly judged is central to psychological safety, but these practices can remove that safety by judging unintentional transgressions.
Microaggression training incorrectly and dangerously equates speech with violence and isn’t backed by evidence.

Be open about the science of human nature.

Once we acknowledge that not all differences are socially constructed or due to discrimination, we open our eyes to a more accurate view of the human condition which is necessary if we actually want to solve problems.

We haven’t been able to measure any effect of our Unconscious Bias training and it has the potential for overcorrecting or backlash, especially if made mandatory.
Some of the suggested methods of the current training (v2.3) are likely useful, but the political bias of the presentation is clear from the factual inaccuracies and the examples shown.
Spend more time on the many other types of biases besides stereotypes. Stereotypes are much more accurate and responsive to new information than the training suggests (I’m not advocating for using stereotypes, I [sic] just pointing out the factual inaccuracy of what’s said in the training).

[1] This document is mostly written from the perspective of Google’s Mountain View campus, I can’t speak about other offices or countries.

[2] Of course, I may be biased and only see evidence that supports my viewpoint. In terms of political biases, I consider myself a classical liberal and strongly value individualism and reason. I’d be very happy to discuss any of the document further and provide more citations.

[3] Throughout the document, by “tech”, I mostly mean software engineering.

[4] For heterosexual romantic relationships, men are more strongly judged by status and women by beauty. Again, this has biological origins and is culturally universal.

[5] Stretch, BOLD, CSSI, Engineering Practicum (to an extent), and several other Google funded internal and external programs are for people with a certain gender or race.

[6] Instead set Googlegeist OKRs, potentially for certain demographics. We can increase representation at an org level by either making it a better environment for certain groups (which would be seen in survey scores) or discriminating based on a protected status (which is illegal and I’ve seen it done). Increased representation OKRs can incentivize the latter and create zero-sum struggles between orgs.

[7] Communism promised to be both morally and economically superior to capitalism, but every attempt became morally corrupt and an economic failure. As it became clear that the working class of the liberal democracies wasn’t going to overthrow their “capitalist oppressors,” the Marxist intellectuals transitioned from class warfare to gender and race politics. The core oppressor-oppressed dynamics remained, but now the oppressor is the “white, straight, cis-gendered patriarchy.”

[8] Ironically, IQ tests were initially championed by the Left when meritocracy meant helping the victims of the aristocracy.

[9] Yes, in a national aggregate, women have lower salaries than men for a variety of reasons. For the same work though, women get paid just as much as men. Considering women spend more money than men and that salary represents how much the employees sacrifices (e.g. more hours, stress, and danger), we really need to rethink our stereotypes around power.

[10] “The traditionalist system of gender does not deal well with the idea of men needing support. Men are expected to be strong, to not complain, and to deal with problems on their own. Men’s problems are more often seen as personal failings rather than victimhood,, due to our gendered idea of agency. This discourages men from bringing attention to their issues (whether individual or group-wide issues), for fear of being seen as whiners, complainers, or weak.”

[11] Political correctness is defined as “the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against,” which makes it clear why it’s a phenomenon of the Left and a tool of authoritarians.

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>>61772180
but hes a literal nazi!
how dare he disagree with our sacred progressive beliefs.

>>61772203
If he had been more right-wing, he would wouldn't have posted it in such an easily traceable way because his mental model of SJWs would have been more accurate.

>>61771819
Oh shit nigga theres a Pastebin link at the top of the thread

>>61769284
They motorized the podium for him... That bit of accommodation probably costed $10000+ of union teamster work... And all so a midget wouldn't be uncomfortable while climbing a step stool.

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>>61768735
Skimming over the text, this seems like alot of bullshit filled with buzzwords instead of getting to the point.

As a teacher, we even learned during our psychology lessons that
a) women are as gifted as men when it comes to mathematical/science-oriented subjects and
b) many of those women then go for social-oriented careers anyway for whatever unholy reasons, despite lower pay and significantly shittier job prospects (and then the feminazis complain that the average wage of women is lower, what a fucking suprise!)

That's the entire problem in a nutshell. Instead of hiring underqualified women into said jobs "by force" with diversity rates and all that bullshit, people should rather ask themselves why the actually talented women are so indifferent towards technology. Diversity quotas completely skips over this actual issue and create new problems instead.

>>61772464
>women are as gifted as men when it comes to mathematical/science-oriented subjects
https://qz.com/441905/men-are-both-dumber-and-smarter-than-women/
>As a teacher
I hope you got a scholarship.

>>61771829

>tfw you're pretty much barely technologically literate but browse /g/ during related happenings because /g/entoomen have better politics than /pol/acks

it's fucking embarrassing how the majority of /pol/acks have no idea who Nick Land is and the ones who do know who Mencius Moldbug is keep flipping their shit and screaming about him being half-jewish.

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>>61771795

Hence why they enforce ideological conformity so much, because they know how easy right-wing entryism could turn everything they've accomplished on its head. I mean, just look at how figures like Jordan Peterson and Camille Paglia have more or less fueled a massive resistance movement to leftist academia on their own. Imagine if more blatantly shitlordy right-wingers worked their way into academia or tech or some other major institution and think about the damage they could do to the left's narratives.

>>61773234
Truth is universities are on their last leg and when the free ride of student loans comes to an end the internet will finish them off for good. They are fighting tooth and nail for their entire existence, same as major media outlets. Tech companies like Google are just aj extension of the dying left

it was moot wasnt it

>>61772903
>tfw you're pretty much barely technologically literate but browse /g/

get out

>>61773393
our guy....

>>61773328

There's also the issue that mass student freakouts like the stuff at Mizzou, Berkeley, and Evergreen is really bad for business and makes parents not want to send their students there. It kind of causes an early crash in terms of drastically reduced enrollment numbers.

>>61773498

Nah, too busy learning via lurking.

moot did this

>>61772903
>it's fucking embarrassing how the majority...
Reread Moldbug until this feeling passes.

>>61771054
>thanks,
>cow
I laff evrry tiem

>>61773776
>>61771054
/cow/

>>61772519
>https://qz.com/441905/men-are-both-dumber-and-smarter-than-women/
Yes, making the average equal. But individuals are not the average, of course.

>>61773636

Yeah, I'm thinking of giving How Dawkins Got Pwned another go, otherwise I might finally listen to his Urbit talk.

>>61771054
>explicit, implicit, or otherwise support
>explicit
>implicit
>something that is neither

Like... superlicit?

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>>61773859
>making the average equal.

lol

>>61771653
This

"Tone policing" or whatever garbage they call it is retarded. These so-called centrists tend to be SJW-lites and will keep quiet lips when SJWs are going nuts but when someone else complains these centrists are always quick to jump on them.

>>61768735
Is Google now just a lolcow?

>>61772519
>woman may be a little smarter than men, on average
I don't think this person has ever actually met an average female before.

>>61772464
>During our psychology lessons
During our psychology lessons we got to take personality tests and find out what our intelligence was.

I liked listening to music and play the cowbell multiple times a week so that made my musical intelligence super high and that made me feel really good! Then it asked me if I liked maths and I said yes and it gave me a high logical intelligence score and that made me feel really good! Then I said I read books more than twice a week and it gave me a high visual intelligence score and that made me feel really good! Guess I'm just super smart even though my IQ is 85.

Goodbye google.
Not choosing by the skill will kill you.

>>61769421
>This is your reminder that companies that push diversity the most are the ones who are the most corrupt.
Anon, companies are corrupt period. Why do you make the distinction?

>>61772464
> why the actually talented women are so indifferent towards technology
Because it's a meanie boys only club! We have to EMPOWER the women and let them know they get SPECIAL TREATMENT so they don't feel discouraged!

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>mfw checking out the guy's name and realize he got started in CS by working as a Researcher on Quantitative and Computational Biology.

>>61771197
>actual nazis
MY SIDES XD LMAO

>>61771197
>punching nazis
>le normalization of violence against everybody i disagree with because of the mean cheeto man is a righteous american pasttime, but not when its against me
I hope that person gets fired

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>Googlers,

>I’m Danielle, Google’s brand new VP of Diversity, Integrity & Governance. I started just a couple of weeks ago, and I had hoped to take another week or so to get the lay of the land before introducing myself to you all. But given the heated debate we’ve seen over the past few days, I feel compelled to say a few words.

>Many of you have read an internal document shared by someone in our engineering organization, expressing views on the natural abilities and characteristics of different genders, as well as whether one can speak freely of these things at Google. And like many of you, I found that it advanced incorrect assumptions about gender. I’m not going to link to it here as it’s not a viewpoint that I or this company endorses, promotes or encourages.

>Diversity and inclusion are a fundamental part of our values and the culture we continue to cultivate. We are unequivocal in our belief that diversity and inclusion are critical to our success as a company, and we’ll continue to stand for that and be committed to it for the long haul. As Ari Balogh said in his internal G+ post, "Building an open, inclusive environment is core to who we are, and the right thing to do. ‘Nuff said."

>Google has taken a strong stand on this issue, by releasing its demographic data and creating a company wide OKR on diversity and inclusion. Strong stands elicit strong reactions. Changing a culture is hard, and it’s often uncomfortable. But I firmly believe Google is doing the right thing, and that’s why I took this job.

Can't you just feel the resentment bubbling up from beneath the surface? The seething rage that some "white cismale" had the gall to write something like this in the first place that she now has to pretend is ok to her when really every fibre of her being is screaming at her that this is sexism and the author, this rapist, should be both fired and jailed, or at least he would be jailed if we weren't living in an oppressive patriarchy.

Honestly fuck this diversity racket, it's all over hbr.org too

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>>61773393
Moot infiltrated the enemy to save the internet again

>>61774679
I hope people soon see that modern HR diversity shit are modern day unionist thugs

>>61774603
>I started just a couple of weeks ago

Betting pool on when she quits because she can't take the heat because something actually stressful finally happened in HR when

>>61773500
till the very end...

>>61774814
They need to be met with modern day union thugs. If the industry had unionized instead of sucking its own dick 20 years ago, we wouldn't be having this problem.

>>61774603
>expressing views on the natural abilities and characteristics of different genders

You mean the (two) different sexes? These people have fried brains.

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>>61774603
>Changing a culture is hard, and it’s often uncomfortable

>>61774603
>....just started a couple of weeks ago, and I had hoped to take another week or so....

Whew. Sounds like a really decisive, go-getter VP and not a diversity hire

>>61772464
>As a teacher, we even learned during our psychology lessons

Stop right there. Men and Women have a different thought process. Men are competitive by nature while women are nurturing.

>>61774589
Why not hope they get their normalization of violence?

>>61774969
>Stop right there. Men and Women have a different thought process. Men are competitive by nature while women are nurturing.
You're baiting too hard. Slow down.

>>61775107
Because it's normalized for them, not for us nazis u sperg.

>>61775107
In the normalisation of violence, it's those with guns and the will to fight that will win. They're looking at 20th century history and always seeing that 'appeasement' just lets hitler gets what he want.
This isn't WW2, this is WW1. Appeasement would have prevented WW1, and the greater mass of tragedies that followed (WW1, soviet union, WW2, 9/11, etc)

>>61768916
this is a political topic. take it to /pol/

>>61772464
Are you a fucking idiot? That's exactly what the man said.

>>61771054
>>61771070
witch hunt

>>61771540
>anonymous
>have to sign up with work email
no.

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>Alienating conservatives is both non-inclusive and generally bad business because conservatives tend to be higher in conscientiousness, which is require for much of the drudgery and maintenance work characteristic of a mature company.

>>61774062
>wow don't chase me with pitchforks and torches
>now let me chase you with a pitchfork and a torch

this is your stupid us vs them mentality

>>61768750
>>>/Berkeley/

>>61771070
>Someone said something I don't like! Ruin his entire career!!!

Gee I wonder why Trump won

>>61771070
>I refuse to do my work when it involves coworker X
I have no idea how google works but wouldn't that be a pretty decent reason to fire that employee?

Decades of female quotas, affirmative action, discriminatory STEM scholarships and grants, and we have yet to see a female Bill Gates, Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg. Women can be great in managerial roles but they'll always be underrepresented in hard tech. I just wonder when feminists will give up their futile attempts push women into roles they're not equipped to handle instead of just blaming muh techno-patriarchy

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Where do these retarded arguments even come from?

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>>61781114
>that pic
The sad thing is, I'm willing to be that in 30 years, when we are at the brink of creating AGI, we will have third generation SJWs complaining about why the tech field is still dominated by men, even after decades of quotas and female preferences. They'll never give up nor will they ever accept another point of view. If these women really want more female jobs in tech or any other field, start building businesses and creating jobs for your fellow woman instead whinging and asking corporations to bend over to their unrealistic demands. That's if they really want to solve the gender gulf. I have a feeling most of them just do it for attention and virtue signaling.

>>61768735
https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/styleguide/gender_neutral_code.md

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>internal google survey
really makes you think

this forum is fucking pathetic

>>61771877
>pair programming

I would rather toil in a coal mine for all eternity

>>61771070
>most of you have heard of, seen, read, and/or been harmed by
>been harmed by

>>61781426

>If these women really want more female jobs in tech or any other field, start building businesses and creating jobs for your fellow woman

Women literally can't do that:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html

>>61771158
>Believing in average differences in temperament between sexes or races means you don't have a human soul
These guys have a serious neurosis.

>>61781114
>Junk science
>From a Ph.D alumnus in computational biology from Harvard

>Her qualifications
>Software engineer. Fantasy Author.

Wtf I hate conservatives now

>>61769186
t. manveer

how do you felt when they fired you at bioware

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lel

>>61772903
It's embarrassing that a fellow /pol/ack is barely technologically literate.
But I agree that /pol/ doesn't appreciate the neoreactionary intellectuals as much as it should.
Nick Land is on twitter btw and is a very entertaining follow - @outsideness

>>61771433
there's no such place like that

everyone is struggling to show some kickass project and get a promotion

I'm not saying that's bad, but some people really live for that

>>61768735
If the alleged document has not leaked by, it never will. Let's create a fake one and meme as a real one. A lie repeated often enough becomes true.

>>61781508
Source?

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Is everyone at google insane?

>>61771544
is this why I need 16 gigs of RAM to run that garbage?

>>61781825

read the fucking thread

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>>61774603
>I’m not going to link to it here as it’s not a viewpoint that I or this company endorses, promotes or encourages.
Book burning tier

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wew

>>61781947

This diversity training video made by trey parker and matt stone is still spot on after all these years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz1tumZOaqw

at 4:15

>>61779872

This
Dude that wrote the doc has to be listening to Peterson, too many points are similar

So, what web browser should I use /g/?

>>61781833
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/08/suppressing-dissent-at-google.html

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>>61781987
the superior one

>>61781508
>almost agree
>mostly agree
hmmm

>>61774603
Oh boy, you're so going to get eaten by the Chinese.

>>61781114
These are the sorts of people that are going apeshit over this document, because deep down inside they know, that without special hiring practices, they wouldn't even get a foot in the door.

>>61781981
how have I not seen this before?

>>61781508
>strongly agree
>almost agree
>mostly disagree
>strongly disagree

fucking lel

>>61771070
>1000s of Googlers
am I the only one triggered by the phrase 'Googlers'?

>>61781981
What woudl SJWs say to this video

>>61781508
>278 responses
hmmm

>>61768735
It has been leaked, and forbes even released a pro-'manifesto' article

>>61781508
here's 2/2
41% think this document should be shared

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>People working for Microsoft, Google and Uber (the most shady companies on Earth) having a nuclear fucking good ol' "left vs right" war

this is just hilarious

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>>61782694

>>61781981
How can something done as a joke hit the nail on the head so right?

>>61782422
As someone who works for one of their competitors *cough* Malus *cough*, Google has an almost self aware level of inward culture. Even the gay people are called "Gayglers". Sure our company appeals to the "diversity" demographic in our advertizing, but outside our retail division diversity hires aren't hired into positions that actually matter. Even with our massive budget will still have trouble getting the talent we need. While I would very much like to see Google implode, Silicon Valley as a whole buys into this shit.

>>61782745
War over what ?
it is the left that is becoming less and less tolerant of any dissenting opinions.


This memo is absolutely nothing to any sane people.
Just look at how the left reacted to the Halloween email from a yale professor.

Everything is a slight to them

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>>61774777
The trips of truth

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>>61768750
>>61768942
>>61771131
>>61769590
>>61769636

why do anti white cucks want a safespace?

I just made the mistake of looking at the comment on the gizmodo article. Holy fuck that was terrible.

>>61782806
Why do companies do these diversity stunts
I just can't fathom how it helps profits

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>>61768864
Just read it. wow.

>>61768750
>>61768942
>Everything opinion I disagree with is fascist

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Oh shit MOOT's in there
Guys we have to save MOOT

>>61783017
it's too late

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>>61768735
go back to your neonazi safespace. you guys are litteraly the same as SJWs with a different ideology. take the Ying and Yang pill

>>61772464
>Skimming over the text, this seems like alot of bullshit filled with buzzwords instead of getting to the point.
When I read big words that I dont understand and thus subsequently fail to grasp the meaning of the written work, I too accuse it of using 'buzzwords' so that I dont have to admit my faults

ITS OBVIOUSLY M00T
WE NEED TO SEND HIM AS MANY REPEATING DIGITS AS POSSIBLE TO ASSIST HIM

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>>61783030
MOOOOOT come back. FUck goodle

>>61782765
this graph seemingly implies that all of the people who disagreed with the document thought it shouldn't have been shared, and all the people who agreed with the document more or less though it should have been shared

I could have told you that without a graph, but whatever

>>61781508
they deleted it lol

>the day an opinion embroiled google in a fierce internal dispute

>>61781680
this document didn't say that though. it really just explained the implications of a bell curve.

>>61782268
this sounds about right.

hiring should be meritocratic, and im sorry, but that means people need to step it up a notch and shouldnt rely on race, color or sexuality to land a job because of diversity practices.

the letter never says anything like women shouldn't be in tech, it simply says that on average there are differences between peoples inherent qualities based upon genetic differences and that hiring should be based upon merit and personal ability instead of these genetic differences

>>61779906
>wow guys both sides are wrong can't we just genocide half the jews
this is your fence sitting mentality

>>61782810

>Just look at how the left reacted to the Halloween email from a yale professor.
I don't know about this. Care to explain?

>>61782963
If you don't live in on the west coast I can understand. It's like stepping into another world almost. Normies see it as something positive, the liberals love it and the old white men see it as just another "keeping with the times" thing. Meritocracy works so well in tech because tech *is about results*. Ideas and feelings don't matter if your competition has discovered and patented key AI technologies, you are at their mercy.

>>61783198
>wow guys both sides are wrong can't we just genocide half the jews
People have already tried that and it doesn't work.

>>61782963
http://thefutureprimaeval.net/we-support-diversity-and-equality/

>>61783198
>wow guys both sides are wrong can't we just genocide half the jews
this doesnt work. this plan would only be viable of ALL the jews were removed

>>61783271
Do these people realize they're living on borrowed time?

>>61783223
Basically Yale (the institution) sent out an email about cultural appropriation and other shit about halloween.
A proffessor (her husband is also a profession at yale) sent out another email basically saying that let kids be kids and that yale might be overstepping its boundries and let kids explore it for themselves.

The students at yale went literally batshit on the husband and wife duo, but mostly the husband

The letter can be read here :
https://www.thefire.org/email-from-erika-christakis-dressing-yourselves-email-to-silliman-college-yale-students-on-halloween-costumes/

a nice video of the students yelling at the husband, while not trying to even have a discussion about anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IEFD_JVYd0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRl2_ibd_WA

>>61780204
I dont work for google, but most company HR departments are understanding of minorities and women that refuse to work with others that are not their direct report. They'll make separate arrangements for getting work done.

>>61780204

As a company like google you have to value your high paid employees

That means giving them job security and not making them your bitch (they have to feel like they are in charge and there are checks and balances)

>>61783422
I hope not. Alphabet is in a very precarious situation. It's main source of revenue is about to dry up and they are throwing money at moonshot projects in an effort to secure a place for themselves in the future. By kneecapping their own talent acquisition (in various ways), they are risking their long term position. Given my (hopefully) obvious interests, I would very much like to see Google implode.

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>>61781479

> ../master/..

>>61771877

>We can make software engineering more people-oriented with pair programming and more collaboration. Unfortunately, there may be limits to how people-oriented certain roles and Google can be and we shouldn’t deceive ourselves or students into thinking otherwise (some of our programs to get female students into coding might be doing this).

Karlie you bitch

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>>61771877

>Competitiveness and self reliance can be valuable traits and we shouldn’t necessarily disadvantage those that have them, like what’s been done in education. Women on average are more prone to anxiety. Make tech and leadership less stressful. Google already partly does this with its many stress reduction courses and benefits.


That's an indisputable fact

>>61784233
It's one of the big problems Google is running into. In order to secure talent they have to offer huge salaries. These huge salaries are also their greatest downfall. When you're getting paid that much the only thing keeping you loyal to the company is working on something you really enjoy, and unless you are on a moonshot project you're not going to stick around for more than a few years. Over in Cupertino, loyalty to the company in ingrained in our culture. You don't take the effort to work here unless you intend to dedicate yourself to it. I try not to drink too much of the kool aid but that is how I perceive campus culture.

>>61783478
I only read the card, I don't really feel like having a headche form watching the videos, and read https://www.thefire.org/cases/protesters-at-yale-threaten-free-speech-demand-apologies-and-resignations-from-faculty-members-over-halloween-email/

I have to say that this is insane.

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>>61784517

the left is so against racism that they have basically made a parody of themselves

>>61784239
They could do what every huge failing company does and try to buy government leverage. I wouldn't be surprised if they already have, considering how much the g-men love their databanks and machine learning buzzwords at the moment.

I had a world studies professor last year who pointed out that every couple hundred years liberals and conservatives switch roles. I have a feeling that the next switch is already underway. It might take a few generations before we realize it, but it will happen.
>Liberal: open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
"they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people"
>Conservative:holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.
Do you notice how SJWs are trying to create a closed way to think and are not open to conflicting opinions? While the terms "new" and "traditional" do not seem to apply, in a few generations they will. It will be normal to act like a SJW. Notice how quickly they are trying to make it normal with ideas like PC.
>>61784544
They have literally went full circle.
>We shouldn't treat minorities differently so we are going to treat minorities differently

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>>61784731

I find it really interesting how similar SJW is to religion in a lot of ways. Nietzche was right.

>>61783109
Read between the lines anon. Those who don't like what they read want it censored. Google's ideological isolationism makes for an environment that not only prohibits dissenting ideas in the company, but seeks to remove them from public view as well. This is next gen book burning, pure and simple.

>>61784905
this

>>61768735
I'm waiting for the Chinese tech companies to rise so i can finally stop supporting american cuck companies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA7X6emZLTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_QzPj1wuWc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOIhX2vuTGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xwZqXGdzHw

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How do people get this hysterical?

>>61781680
Even if this was true, I know people that manage to win in special Olympics even being realistic discarded by society just because they don't give a damn and make it.

>>61782806
I don't really get. Schizoids sjws are a tiny amount of population, trans are a very very small people that are overrepresented. It's like they have a quota to fill with bilberberg group in pushing globslism

>>61785462
>google is a system built from the beginning to advance white men.

WTF i love google now!

>>61768735
I would really like to see Google die just because of how much it controls.

I wonder if this could turn into a new Scientology and we could convince children to start protesting and destroying Google?

>>61781981
Fucking hell. I'm so sick of this.

>The COLOR OF OUR SKIN (ITS ONLY SKIN DEEP, GOYIM) doesn't mean anything about anything and everyone is equal because my Christian dogma told me so
The idea that you can't make generalisations about people based on race, country of origin or religion is just plain fucking stupid. It's just another way to condemn people for having offensive thoughts.

You can make generalisations about people based on race, ethnicity, country of origin, religion, their genes, height, fat %, muscle %, etc.... Just because people make wrong generalisations doesn't mean you can't generalise. This doesn't mean you can't judge individuals as individuals but just that generalisations can be correct predictions. The concept of equality stems from christian dogma. It is bullshit.

This logic is severely going to hamper AI development in analysing people because the fucking retards are going to protest against it from making accurate generalisations. This problem will only be exacerbated when we have a much better picture of thoughts, genes and actions so that we can predict certain characteristics of people with almost complete certainty. It will be racist then too and neither side of the political spectrum will support it because it's just too damaging to their equal societies

>>61771544
it's really Quite Something when you come from iran and then point fingers at americans for being terrible sexist homophobe bigots etc. etc.

>>61772464
You just reiterated what he said in a rather smug and evidence-free sort of way.

>>61781114
a fucking hammer and sickle, the symbol of HOW many millions of deaths?

>>61787048
If people can openly use the hammer and sickle to represent communism or socialism or Marxism then the swastika should be fine to represent nationalism, prosperity, good luck, love for your neighbour, sharing, caring and peace

>>61768735
>still shaking in anger
I hope that bitch puts a gun in her mouth and pulls the trigger.

>>61787169

actually it

>The swastika (as a character 卐 or 卍) is an ancient religious icon used in the Indian subcontinent, East Asia and Southeast Asia, where it has been and remains a symbol of spiritual principles and values

>>61771729
Anti vax is less unhelathy if you never leave the first world.

Steve Jobs was right about Bozos explosion

>>61781986
None of Petersons arguments are new. He is just the first person to actually provide a solid justification of them.

>>61768735
boy wtf i love google now

>>61774603
kinda sounds like what you would read in a socialist country, wrongthink and alll that.

>>61769284
>My dick on the left.gif
My sides

>>61768735
Google'll probably just fire the guy and try to sweep the whole incident under the rug. Two weeks and this will be virtually forgotten about by all parties. As quickly as the anger about shit like this flares up it also fades away.

>>61773976
ah yes, an unsourced graph with numbers and shapes that support your point. a true silver bullet in any argument. checkmate, gin, and yahtzee, my friends

>>61781947
Holy shit. Exactly 500 years after the reformation. Luther nailed that shit on the door in 1517.

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>>61774468
i hope so. that would mean that their shitty captchas would be gone too.

I haven't been following this.
Has the witch hunt to find the author started yet?

>>61788584
Name has already been released

Death threats have already been sent

Google CEO is moving to fire him for violating the Code of Conduct with his sexist remarks

https://www.recode.net/2017/8/7/16110696/firing-google-ceo-employee-penned-controversial-memo-on-women-has-violated-its-code-of-conduct

>>61768735
I read it online 2 days ago. You tards really put the tard in poltard, don't you?

>>61785173
They bought Newegg, so there's a start

>>61788816
The best thing it could happen to him.
He will sue for unlawful dismissal and get millions back.
In fact it could very well have been his plan all along given the tamed content of the essay. It almost seem curated by a lawyer.

>>61785275
"I am so outraged at [thing], I won't post it, but _beleive me_ it's terrible! Retweet if you agree"

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>>61785173
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_QzPj1wuWc

>all these "coders"
>not a single image of a woman slaving away at a keyboard looking like they are 5 seconds away from pulling a kurt cobain

>>61781947
History really does fucking repeat itself

>>61771749
Google was purposefully withholding documentation, you dumb faggot. Almost as if (((they))) had something to hide. Also the fed has every right to ask for however much or what information they deem necessary.

>>61788816
>He added: “To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not OK.”
he didnt though.
the ones that do manage to get into tech dont have those traits, or put in extra effort to work against those traits,
so he obviously isnt talking about coworkers.

>>61771612
where are these from?

>>61768735
>getting triggered by.
It's been posted. It's the same tired "I have an opinion and no science to back it up. I'll still present it as fact. Oh noes, I am being persecuted for my opinion." bullshit you could read on 4chan all night long.

>The Google employee behind a ten-page viewpoint diversity manifesto that went viral online has been fired.

>James Damore, whose manifesto criticizing the politically correct corporate culture at Google prompted outrage from left-wing employees and social justice warriors online, revealed that he had been fired in an email

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>>61788816
>Saying anything negative about forced diversity programs is grounds to fire you
And google will continue to do fine by hiring 10,000 pajeets to cobble together youtube features, and everybody will continue to praise them for being LOL OMG SUCH A FRONTRUNNER AND AMAZING

I fucking hate the future.

>>61789075
What was so offensive about it? Quote the part that you think was hateful.

>>61775107
Because I didn't ask for any of this shit, I just wanted to be left the fuck alone and now I have to fight against every dipshit telling me I'm Hitler Incarnate for not practicing sexism and racism in "pro-discriminatory" practices.

>>61789075
Did you even read the memo?

>>61789075
the original document had citations and graphs

the gizmodo leak conveniently omitted them

It is official. He got fired.
>>136528627

>>61788983
>Our product uses Google Maps to find local firehouses, hospitals...

...So it's google maps?

>>61772301
Fuck off, you're just like when Sansa refused to kneel to have Tyrion's cloak draped around her for the wedding and had to ask for a step stool.

>>61789197
>>>/pol/136528627

>>61783386
What if we tried the other half?

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>>61781981
I hate how the surreal stuff from 10 years ago ended up being so prophetic.

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>>61783056

>>61781891
>Is everyone at google insane?
Yes. Has google produced anything of worth since their original search engine? All they do is buy successful companies and applications and make them worse.

>>61781986

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/894416140088344577

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>>61769455
You

>>61771295
Christ I hate the left.

>>61768735
The tyranny of political correctness.

>>61774603
>that nose
Hmmm

>>61771653

I've been thinking this for a while now. Got a lot of experience with this, I think it is basically a sociopaths guide to politics - pretend to be neutral and reasonable until you get the chance to spend your reputation for reasonableness to advance.

Is there actually this kind of symmetry in politics? Politics seemed to me to be historically asymmetrical and nonlinear. Look at all the variety of governance that existed between the city states of ancient Greece or Renaissance Italy. Those examples proved the divergent nature of politics.

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>>61789109

>The future is fucked
Just keep fantasizing about blockchain burning this shit all down into a crypto-anarchy.

I have been doing that for years and crypto-anarchy isn't any closer but I have made a lot of money from it cause bubbles.. so there are worse delusions to labor under.

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>Write a 10 page long essay about how women and black people have bones in their brains and the only reason any of them work at your company is due to a marxist conspiracy against white men hatched during the collapse of the Soviet Union.

>Get fired

>Incredible buttmad MAGA people spend all day hollering about this being the greatest assault on free speech in history and how the tech industry is in an ideological death spiral.

I had no idea the cyberpunk future would be this dumb.

I hope this guy can sue out the ass for wrongful dismissal.

>>61793566
Agreed.
How could people be so stupid they post strong opinions in 4chan threads without even reading the publicly available document.
Memes aside though, irrespective of your side of the argument. People like you who just picked a media spin to go with instead of reading the source are the fucking problem.

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>>61793583
He probably can't, ironically enough because the leftism he despises has been gutted over the decades and most places in America have at-will employment.

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>>61793597
https://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320/amp

No, I read it, he does actually go full retard.

>>61793614
That snippet isn't wrong. What's the problem?

>>61793614
If you read it why did you originally grossly misrepresent his arguement?

>>61793638
Assuming you're a teenager that's up late:

>Marxism is entirely based around material analysis.
>Leftism didn't solely exist in 2nd world nations.
>No one movement could ever broadly represent an idea like Marxism, (see: the unimaginably complex past century of leftist infighting and debate)

It's like saying "After WWII nazis realized racism was never gonna work so they decided to get into baking and take over Europe with the EU."

>>61793688
He's right though Marxists did large transition to the gramscian school and social construct theory after Communism in the second world failed. Which obviously correlates with the ideological reasoning for affirmative action and diversity policies he is opposing. Of course Tabula Ruso (however the fuck you spell it) is a liberal idea that also comes into play, but i digress.

>>61787324

Uh, no. Increasing childhood cases of measles and mumps in the Bay area, bucko.

>>61793746
He's not wrong though your health risk as a non vaccinated kid in America is nothing compared to the obesity epidemic. Obviously this is solely because most kids are vaccinated and viruses died off when we all were immunized and they couldn't replicate.

>>61793688

> After WWII nazis realized racism was never gonna work so they decided to get into baking and take over Europe with the EU.

That's reasonably close to what actually happened though. There's a reason Germany is the dominating power in the EU. Where it's wrong is they decided to allow France to have the nukes to keep the balance, so there was some kind of compromise reached.

>>61793688
I can assure your anon, functioning people in their twenties also don't give a shit about the development from communism to social marxism.

>>61793566
(You)

>>61793688
>>Marxism is entirely based around material analysis.
Yeah that's the narrative you lot are trying to push. No longer is Marxism a revolutionary ideology, it's now synonymous with Marxian analysis; it's now just a framework for understanding the state of the world.

>No one movement
It's very clear the author is speaking of the most visible manifestation of far-leftism (because he's writing a footnote in a short memo, not an essay on what he thinks has happened to left-wing politics in all its variety). And THAT common strain of leftism has been entirely replaced with identity politics over the past decade. The subversive rot really took hold.

The mainstream leftist is a pro-establishment neoliberal consumerist and a great big fanboy of capital, only with a bit of scruffy proletarian window dressing . The mainstream leftist correctly says "Capitalists exploit workers, appropriating the surplus value we produce", but at the same time says "Uncontrolled and illegal migration is positive because it's good for businesses", and "Google is a private company and they can do whatever they want with their property. By the way, I love working at Google."

>>61770270
[citation needed]

>>61771403
The "numbered references" are just his footnotes at the end.

>anyway, all of that is common sense anyway, so citations arent even needed. maybe some of the big 5 psychology is the only thing that is not 110% common knowledge
Never go full retard.

>>61793273
What's your point? That image is like calling a white people pink and hoping it'd mildly annoy him. Are you a 12 year old with no critical thinking ability?

>>61793811
>The mainstream leftist is a pro-establishment neoliberal

Ah yes, leftists, famous advocates for market deregulation.

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>>61793832
>le citation needed
http://diversitymemo.com

>>61793862
Yes, they do love their neoliberal soundbites.

>>61793862
Yes, almost like America is a capitilist country. Bill Clinton was a quintessential neolib. So was Obama more or less. The average American "leftist" is not Bernie Sanders. I would disagree with the other anon and consider those more moderate or centrist, I consider the American "leftist" more your typical reform liberal. But "leftist" is ultimately a meaningless colloquial term, with a centre line that can be moved at any point.

>>61793879
I normally wouldn't do this but

>sourced from vice
>"employees at google" told us it was the right document

Sorry, gotta come up with something better than that

>>61793905
>Bill Clinton was a quintessential neolib. So was Obama more or less.

They weren't leftists. Just because America's politics and overton window makes "Conservative vs. Reactionary" the mainstream interpretation of politics doesn't mean Obama is suddenly a Marxist.

>>61793933
Leftist isn't a real word.
Most retards who use it, use it for Democrats.
I don't think Ben Shapiro for example, someone who perpetuates the term, thinks Obama is a marxist in the slightest when he describes him with it. A lot of paradigms consider liberals left of centre.

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>>61771403
>>61793832
The full text with his graphics and hyperlinks is here - https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf - there's not as many primary sources as I was hoping to see. Referencing articles is a lot less compelling than journal articles, but I don't see why the media wouldn't have had access to these earlier. I think it's likely they posted the scrubbed version simply to hurt his position.

I need to vent a little and this is literally the place to do it without risking my job. I work at another large tech company. Our internal mailing list was all about this today, as you might expect it was mostly about expounding upon the wrongthink and proving that you were a good citizen. I lost some respect today for some senior engineers who were apparently fine with silencing and removing "problem people." Apparently some speech isn't worth protecting.

I feel like everyone has forgotten their middle school civics class. When you talked about freedom of speech and the teacher asked if it right for the state police force to provide security for the KKK to have march. Maybe everyone eventually agreed that they should be given their day just so we could move on.

I think I'm still a pretty liberal person, but I don't know how you can stand for inclusiveness and thoughtful discussion while also calling for opposing viewpoints to be silenced and ostracized. Letting weak positions be heard is the easiest way to undermine them as they rarely stand up to rigorous scrutiny.

I just want to go to space and shit, but we have to sit around arguing over who has more privilege in the first world; when the best indicator of what kind of life you're going to have is just based on which country you're born in.

Delenn can express my feelings for me. I need a drink.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf

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>>61793928
The copy on that site has sources and images intact. You were ridiculing him for writing an unsourced memo even though a third party removed the sources. Maybe you should, instead of being a stupid misrepesenting cunt, pursue a copy that more resembles something that is more likely to be unmolested, i.e. the one with sources and images intact.

>>61793972

I forgot Delenn - https://youtu.be/DrPe80sxlm4?t=151

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>>61793972
>Apparently some speech isn't worth protecting.

Why don't free speech advocates ever rally for people like Colin Kaepernick, or the anti-Palestine activists that are being targeted by censorship laws?

Perhaps the biggest injustice here, and the state of how fucked our society has become, is that the response to challenging information you disagree with. Is not to write a rebuttal or response, not to try and understand the thr arguement, not to check the validity of his sources, not even to read what he actually fucking wrote, but to call for him to be fired and doxxed. It doesn't matter what he said, what his view was. He won the argument by being the only one to participate. "we don't need to debate because we already won" leftwingers will keep paying the price for this in elections. As a moderate RINO cuck, i thought I'd enjoy this. But I really don't it let's the intellectualy weak of the right take over.

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>>61794034
Nobody actually gives a shit about debate, especially not the people who're whining about this guy getting fired. They don't like the manifesto because it opened their minds, they're mad because a guy got fired for having their beliefs. There's been dozens of debates and thinkpieces on this in the past few days, and rest assured they haven't read any of them, save for whichever ones are shitty enough to reinforce their biases.

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>>61789197
>argue that the left is becoming less tolerant to dissident views, and that google is leaning left
>gets fired for having dissident views
really gets the jogging nogging

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I really wish the US would at least be decent enough not to export this garbage to other nations.

A person that doesn't like the subject enough isn't gonna take more than 15 minutes trying to read that document

A person that is ideologically driven from one side or another isn't gonna bother because when they read a sentence they either act as though they are really enlightened or it must be wrong because what they learned is the truth and it can't be challenged because it's moronic, silly, stupid.

This is similar to the christian that refuses to rely on science and the atheist that refuses to read the bible

>>61794066
>dozens of debates and thinkpieces.
I'm sure there will be tonnes of interstimg articles in philosophy journals. But that's not what I'm talking about.

>they're mad because a guy got fited gor having their beliefs
A perfectly reasonable and deserved response. Pretty sure Hitchens just wrote that religious people should all be fired from their jobs and shamed for wrongthink, christfags would rightfully be pissed and I'd still be missing the 10am football games.

>>61794126
If this were true society wouldn't have changed in the last 1000 years and we'd have a single governing party.

>>61794131
>pretty sure hitchens
**pretty sure IF hitchens

>>61794126
Some of us are mentally balanced enough to not be 100% invested in most ideas we hold. I'm fairly left-leaning and there are certain ideas that are unshakable for me (that everyone has the right to prove themselves, a meritocracy) and I went into the document open-mindedly.

And hey, I don't even disagree with most of it.

>>61794175
>Some of us are mentally balanced enough to not be 100% invested in most ideas we hold.

>Open minded woman: "Hmmm, maybe I am inferior..."

This is what centrists actually believe.

>>61794175
>that everyone has the right to prove themselves, a meritocracy
I mean that's literally what the article was arguing, so i don't know why you wouldn't automatically agree.

But i digress, a good strategy for this is to go online and defend a stance you oppose to the best of your ability.

>>61794211
The shit he writes is fucking reasonable as hell.

>Note, I’m not saying that all men differ from women in the following ways or that these differences are “just.” I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership. Many of these differences are small and there’s significant overlap between men and women, so you can’t say anything about an individual given these population level distributions.

Direct quote. He is literally saying "I'm not saying anything about the individual but am trying to explain the distributions".
This isn't leftism trying to crucify him, but retards.

>>61794201
Inferrior is a normative statement dumbass.

>>61794201
He never said inferior, he said different.

>>61793972

Consider bailing if they start promoting the incompetent and the people you think are competent start leaving. I've been though this, it'll start becoming a not pleasant environment before people start leaving and it'll go south quick.

I don't really care about any of these big issues of politics or whatever, I just want to do interesting work well and be in a nice environment while I do it. You know, have a good career.

Crap like this Google thing makes that hard in my experience, so I say vote with your skills and go somewhere else.

>>61794290
>Women and minorities are just different, and that's why we shouldn't be hiring them.
>Your opinion is different, that's why we're firing you.

I don't see the big deal. He seems like exactly the kind of guy who'd hate the idea of a company being prevented from firing people at-will because of employee protection laws.