Why the love for RMS

Because we're not /pol/

>>61690133
I have no doubt in my mind that the only reason he gives a shit about privacy is because he has terabytes on terabytes of cheese pizza but his advocacy for all things free and uncompromising conviction to this philosophy is what I appreciate about him at the least

Still think he's overrated but who else in technology deserves the sticky? memes aside

>>61690166
Torvalds for example, as he's an engineer and not a clown

>>61690133
back to le donald fucking newfag nigger

I still don't know why People associate Freedom with Communism

>>61690133
bernie's ok
you can sell gnu software
you can sell services with gnu software
you don't understand capitalism
i have earnt lot's of money with gnu software
it was easier to learn because I can read the code

>>61690174
He's a duplicitous snake. There are plenty of deft individuals whose talent is undeniable, but most of them are entrepreneurial megalomaniacs who place themselves above the welfare of software.

>>61690144
this
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>>61690166
pic related

>>61690207
it's all the same bro, the only difference is who you're a slave to. what we need a system that keeps the elites locked in a power struggle so the concentration of power does not become too great because then you end up in gulag and some fucker wants to make a handbag out of your skin.

>>61690166
I have a quite unusual view for this board: while I really appreciate Stallman's work as GNU produced a lot of quality software, I think the whole privacy thing isn't a battle worth fighting: I've learnt of criminal people (not big terrorist ones, I mean small criminals like non-professional stalkers, sexual predators or drug dealers) who could've framed if real privacy couldn't be so easy to use for end users, but ended up unpunished because simple things like WhatsApp/Telegram's encryption made their whole machinations undetectable. And we're talking about people who ruined the lives of many kids or young boys.

So my opinion is: who gives a shit if the government knows what hentai I watch or what kind of stupid videos I watch on YouTube, or whatever, I want guilty people to pay for their actions and if privacy about my bullshit is the price to pay, I'll pay it without any doubt.

>>61690166
steve jobs

>>61690232
based RMS

>>61690133
>being this stupid
>lack of cost =/= freedom (as in freedom to do whatever you want with software)
RMS has good ideas, its just he is such an autistic unlikable virgin, he struggles to get his point across

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>>61690243
He said memes aside

>>61690232
What's wrong with this?

>>61690241

While i agree, i do believe the type of monitoring that happens needs to be heavily regulated as to not be abused, as it is currently in America.
While complete transparency would be detrimental to the system, some sort of third party consisting of elected third parties would be ideal.

>>61690133
>2017
>Not accepting that men with long hair exists

>>61690241
Privacy may only matter for criminals now, but it quickly becomes your problem too when the government goes totalitarian and decides that you're just as bad as contract murderers and kiddy fiddlers.

>>61690207
Because businesses profit off proprietary software and other anti-competitive practices, and if you're opposed to those practices you must be a commie I guess.
Fun fact: businesses do best when they eliminate the competition, not when they outperform them. It's much nicer to play a game of one than a game of arbitrarily many.

>his free software ideology is basically communism applied to software

Absolute bullshit, he has nothing against charging for software, what he wants is that end users, when having bought software in one form or another, can do whatever they want with said software, which requires the source code.

>He openly supported that Bernie commussy as president

Don't know much about american politics, but could he be worse than Trump and Hillary ?

>He totally ignores that developers have to earn some money somehow since he lives with his prizes money

You don't need to write proprietary code to make money, go visit Github, a ton of code there is written by people paid to do so, everything from kernels, operating systems, compilers, frameworks, applications.

>Despite point 1 and 2, he says he supports capitalism

In what way doesn't he ?

>His hair is long and dirty and he should cut it

Sounds like your typical /g/ dweller to me

>>61690319
>businesses do best when they eliminate the competition, not when they outperform them.
We all know how intel has been "performing" while AMD wasn't in the game for half a decade

>>61690299
Yeah never said the current way of doing things is the best. I think there should be an international committee for monitoring cybercrimes or crimes that are planned on the net, as right now NSA only cares for US's sake ignoring any crimes that don't regard them. Also, other nations don't have access to their monitoring tools so if a crime happens in, say, Germany and something NSA could hack could solve the issue, it could remain unsolved as NSA could decide to not closely cooperate with German law.

>>61690133
Bernie is actually educated, not a mentally challenged manchild like tramp is

>>61690241
Do you subscribe to any kind of higher power? Be it God or a general notion of karma? Even if you tell me you don't, most people in their heart of hearts do to some extent. That's one way to palliate your concerns.

If you're feeling overly righteous, you can also place the blame on incompetent police work as the culprit, rather than encryption. I can't think of any scenario that involves a victim where there isn't some real world evidence that can be tied to the crime. If a case rests entirely on conversations that may or may not have happened, it probably wasn't a very strong one in the first place. Don't be so quick to give up your freedoms (as well as the freedoms of your peers) out of simple vindictiveness.

>>61690333
Why should I buy software if source code is available and the first user who gets it can redistribute it as he wants?

>>61690319
I don't buy this whole thing: we should be focused on having a better and non-totalitarian state rather than making the state less effective in case it turns bad and totalitarian. It's an absolutely non-constructive way lf thinking in my opinion.

Another thing I wish could be enforced better, both in US and EU, is to use justice more against military and police. In my country militaries only can be judeged by their military court, which often covers all the shit they do. A lot of Kiddy fiddlers are soldiers but always go unpunished here.

>>61690353
because you don't have internet access and you need to mail-order a physical disk with the code and binaries on it

>>61690382
This could work in 1998

>>61690133
>>his free software ideology is basically communism applied to software
No, it is not.
>>He openly supported that Bernie commussy as president
And?
>>He totally ignores that developers have to earn some money somehow since he lives with his prizes money
No he does not, there are people RIGHT NOW who make their livelihood writing free software.

The problem is that he is an ideologue, nothing is ever good enough and unless his specific ideas about free software are implemented he will fight against the people on his side (see the Linux kernel GPL3 debacle).
It has gotten to a point where his opposition to proprietary software is becoming harmful, since no company in the right mind would take him seriously.

>>61690207
People don't know what "Communism" means.
>>61690174
this

>>61690352
Sorry if I step in the discussion, but what if the crime is something like, a paedo convincing a child to send him nudes? I know parents should control children's access to Internet, but as a father I can assure you it's hard nowadays, you never know if your child grabs a tablet or smartphone to do strange things when you're ot around...

>>61690133
Because he is fat!

>>61690353
Maybe you should buy the service of having the software customized for your needs.

Pretty simple, it's the only activity that actually requires money anyhow.

Making copies and handing them out really basically does not cost anything worth anything.

>>61690415
I can't say with all certainty that no crime goes unpunished but pedophiles are very rarely (so rarely that I don't think I'd be remiss in saying "never") discreet offenders. They usually exhibit long and diverse offensive behavior that very often gets them caught, or at least leaves a trail of evidence linking to them. Police can catch them on any number of things that don't involve encrypted communications, even if they did use encrypted communication for one perpetration.

I know that doesn't mean every pedo gets caught but there are thousands of cold cases of every kind, from murder to molestation, or some that even end with the guilty party getting away scott free, but that's part of having a reactive judicial system rather than proactive, and that's part of living in a free society. If you want to debate this point, that takes a large leap away from encryption as it relates to justice and revolves around your core philosophies on justice itself.

>>61690133
it's not really communism though

>>61690222
>perfectly described terry a. davis
>implying he's not a god amongst men
>>>/out/

>>61690353

>Why should I buy software if source code is available and the first user who gets it can redistribute it as he wants?

Because the guy you buy software from moves away from the 'secret sauce' mentality and instead provide the service of writing software.

It's not as if proprietary software is a great solution for anyone, piracy is rampant and will always be, so you are not really stopping redistribution, you are at best hiding your source code.

And I don't subscribe to the notion of 'proprietary being evil', it's just a really limited and frankly outdated way of thinking, which comes with a shitload of problems like invasive DRM which in turn is a massive security leak, lack of trust as you have no way of verifying what the software actually does beyond what you see.

>>Despite point 1 and 2, he says he supports capitalism
This is correct. You think this is contradictory because, like most people with strong opinions about economics, you have no idea what capitalism or communism are.

>>Still, /g/ worships him like a god.
>Why?
Because there has to be someone unwilling to compromise. Copyright law is inherently asinine and anti-civilization.

>>61690343
>international committee
Lost me there.

>>61690144
/thread

>gpl
>communism

i laugh when ever i see this because it shows that /v/ has no idea about economics

if anything BSD is communism because they take from the devs without any reinbursement

IE playstation 4 and nintento switch and apple

the GPL is actually more like socialism because it requires upstream support and or sharing the source before you can make a buck off their hard work

back to middle school kids!

>>61690794
>if anything BSD is communism because they take from the devs without any reinbursement
You are even worse then the people who claim that the GPL has anything to do with communism.
If anything (although I don't see the point in comparing licenses to political systems) then BSD is anarchy, "do whatever you want with this, but leave me out of it", that is pretty similar to the NAP.

>the GPL is actually more like socialism
No its not, the GPL actually works.

>>61690133
>Isn't it ironic that the proprietary software developers call us communists? We are the ones who have provided for a free market, where they allow only monopoly.
RMS (3 March 2008)

>>61690133
Communism is dumb for the real world but it work really well with softwares

>>61690969
Communism has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with free software.

These to concepts have no relation to each other what so ever.

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>>61691009
Thanks, ESR. We know you think free software is libertarianism, but it's not.

We the people have a right to see the code we run. As well as change it and reproduce it for others.

>>61691046
Firstly I do not know what an "ESR" is.
Secondly what fucking similarities exist between the GPL license and communism? (spoiler absolutely nothing)

And WHY THE FUCK are you trying to compare a political system to a software license.

>>61691120
>Firstly I do not know what an "ESR" is.
Fucking newfags

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond

>Secondly what fucking similarities exist between the GPL license and communism?
Moving the ownership of the means of production away from the company owners to the people.

>>61690344
Bernie is a hypocrit and senile.

>>61690133
>his free software ideology is basically communism applied to software
In communism, there is a ruling class who gets to do everything, and a lower class that barely scrapes, because equality and equity.
In Libre software, there isn't a leader. There is forking, there is sharing, there is collaboration.

Go back to Winblows, plebbit and just stop coming here.

>>61690866
>No its not, the GPL actually works.
Socialism as a broad concept is a nice idea. It's the shitty 20th century Marxist kind that people won't let go of for some reason.

>>61691170
>In communism, there is a ruling class who gets to do everything, and a lower class that barely scrapes, because equality and equity.
Not according to Marx.

>In Libre software, there isn't a leader. There is forking, there is sharing, there is collaboration
That's communism, according to Marx.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withering_away_of_the_state

>>61691147
>Moving the ownership of the means of production away from the company owners to the people.
isn't that basically the opposite of communism ala the soviet union

>>61691213
>isn't that basically the opposite of communism ala the soviet union
According to communist theory, socialism (aka the state owns everything), is a necessary step towards communism (aka communes/communities own everything) because the bourgeois wont give it away freely and it must be taken by force.

>>61691147
>Moving the ownership of the means of production away from the company owners to the people.
But companies are using GLPed software?
And are funding/producing GPLed software?

This does not make sense in the slightest. By using the GLP you are not "moving the means of production from a company to the people creating the software" you are opening up the software, giving access to people who need/want it.
In exchange for the people who use your software also opening up their software.

I get that you are trying to argue that companies are loosing the power and people are gaining it, but that has nothing to with t"he means of production".

>>61691237
>socialism (aka the state owns everything)

wikipedia says
>Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production,[10] as well as the political theories, and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[13] Social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]
>Socialist economic systems can be divided into non-market and market forms.[16]

saying socialism = the soviet union is like saying capitalism = america

>>61691170
You are confusing "communism in theory" with "how communist states function in reality".

>In communism, there is a ruling class who gets to do everything, and a lower class that barely scrapes, because equality and equity.
That is how "how communist states function in reality".

>there isn't a leader. There is forking, there is sharing, there is collaboration.
That is "communism in theory".

Same here >>61691213. The USSR was not communist (stay with me here) it was a country trying to establish communism, that attempt failed (badly, like always) and resulted in the death of many millions coupled with famines and suffering of many more.

>>61690133
I want /pol/ to leave

>>61691244
>But companies are using GLPed software?
They don't own the software.

>And are funding/producing GPLed software?
Yes, but they also, more than often, own non-GPL software that coexists. They rely on the GPL software as well, that's why they contribute to it. Not out of goodness of their heart.

This is why Google is a major contributor to the Linux network stack, for example, because they want a bunch of things in it that will benefit them. For example increasing the TCP initial window size to 10.

>By using the GLP you are not "moving the means of production from a company to the people creating the software" you are opening up the software, giving access to people who need/want it.
And you remove ownership entirely, so yeah, you're pretty much giving it away to the proletariat.

>I get that you are trying to argue that companies are loosing the power and people are gaining it, but that has nothing to with t"he means of production".
It definitively does, according to marxist capitalist theory, all products are the result of means of production + labour. By removing the ownership of means of production from the bourgeois (aka [intellectual] property and owners and copyright holders) and giving it to the proletariat (the workers [users and developers]), you're basically implementing communism.

>>61691279
I want communists to leave.

And if you seriously believe that /pol/ are the only ones arguing against communism then you have to realize that communism is almost universally despised (for VERY good reason) in the west.

>>61691273
>saying socialism = the soviet union
But I never said that. I said that the Soviet union was a (form of) socialist state.

The real idea behind "free" software is thus:

Many employers in Silicon Valley like to see candidates with GitHub accounts, thus giving people the incentive to publish their work there for people to steal. But, what reason is there to hire the person if that company can just steal what they have on GitHub? People willing to let others have their work for free are probably going to accept less salary as well.

>>61691273
>saying socialism = the soviet union is like saying capitalism = america

But that's completely true though. The soviet union created socialism and America created capitalism.

>>61691341
>The soviet union created socialism and America created capitalism.
Both of these claims are FALSE.

Good lord, read a history book.

>>61691297
>/pol/ are the only ones arguing against communism
It's not that communism is being criticized, it's that it's constantly brought up where it is irrelevant by paranoid retards that think literally fucking everything they don't like is the red menace. They are the unwitting civilian arm of the Thought Police.

>>61691356
>It's not that communism is being criticized, it's that it's constantly brought up where it is irrelevant by paranoid retards that think literally fucking everything they don't like is the red menace.
Communism certainly has nothing to with free software, yes.

>They are the unwitting civilian arm of the Thought Police.
What?

>>61691354
Not him (I'm >>61691299 and >>61691237) but the concept of state socialism is used interchangeably with Soviet-style state capitalism (aka Marxist-Leninism).

>>61691299
so why can't we discuss the merit of ideas themselves? intellectual integrity is a two way street
>>61691341
>The soviet union created socialism and America created capitalism.
i'm pretty sure reality existed before the cold war, anon.

>>61691378
>so why can't we discuss the merit of ideas themselves?
I'm not following? I simply replied to the simplistic question "what does [the concept of] free software have to do with communism", it is all about the ownership (or rather, the lack of such ownership) to the means of production.

>>61691377
>the concept of state socialism is used interchangeably with Soviet-style state capitalism (aka Marxist-Leninism)
The idea of socialism existed long before the USSR.

Claiming that "the USTT created socialism" is just false, it was one of the earliest countries to attempt to create a socialist state.

>>61691409
>The idea of socialism existed long before the USSR.
We're weren't talking about socialism as a broad and generic concept in the first place, we were talking about Marxist communism and then someone (>>61691213) appeared to be confused about Marxist-Leninism aka Soviet Union and I tried to point him in the right direction.

>>61691458
I just wanted to point out that whoever believes that the USSR created socialism is wrong and needs to read a history book.

>>61691488
Socialism is a generic term and is often used in reference to state socialism aka socialist capitalism, so they wouldn't be entirely wrong.

In the context of discussing communism, he wouldn't be wrong in saying that actually.

>>61690381
You hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Any tool you hand to a government is one that could be used against you an election or two from now. Powers are abused. Elections go south. Shit happens. The trick is having measures in place for when they do.

>>61690133
>his free software ideology is basically communism applied to software
I like the GNU GPL. It can be a reasonable license for things, unless someone is releasing libraries on it, because that ends up forcing to license your software on the same license. When it's not library, it does a good job at protecting everyone from misused software and fucking others over.

>He totally ignores that developers have to earn some money somehow since he lives with his prizes money
Well, he sold GNU Emacs for money back in the day and lived off that.

>>61690133
Bernie isn't a communist. He never claimed to be.

>>61691488
I just wanted to point out that you're a fucking retard and should kill yourself immediately.

>>61690144
Posting will be impossible after the third "/thread'
/thread

>>61690691
Then how would countries not in US use NSA's info Sherlock? I think international committee >>> US playing world policeman

>>61690207
>Freedom with Communism
Well, because communism IS freedom.
> a system that keeps the elites locked in a power
Why not to get rid of elites altogether?
>Telegram's
Oh please, really? It's completely controlled by Russian CIA, owned by the same person who made Russian facebook (which is infamous for it's privacy issues) and it's advertisements are all over Russian state TV channels. Privacy? You mad.
>In communism, there is a ruling class who gets to do everything,
Communism is classless.
>>61691237
>According to communist theory
It's not a communist theory. There are TONS of 'theories' out there. What you described is Lenin's opinion on this which was dogmatised in USSR.
>>61691274
>communist states function in reality
You cannot say how communist stated function in reality because there never WAS a communist state and never WILL because there could be no state in communism.
>and resulted in the death of many millions
That was a result of neoliberal reforms in 90s.
>>61691297
>for VERY good reason
Oh really? "Capitalism" was also UNIVERSALLY DESPISED as you put it in the west until French revolution. It was despised for a VERY good reason, eh?

>>61691186
This. Actually the first apostles were described to live in the way socialism actually should have worked, fuck Marx

>>61690133

> It's socialism
> Who cares
> Real hackers don't care about money
> Good goy keep chasing those shekels
> K

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>>61690133
BERNIE CAN STILL WIN!

>>61691953
>What you described is Lenin's opinion on this which was dogmatised in USSR.
That's exactly what I've been saying throughout this thread.... Just grep for "Marxist-Leninism" ffs.

>>61690144
this

>>61692041
When why do you call it 'communist theory'?
"According to Marxism-Leninism..." would be correct.

>>61690133
>>his free software ideology is basically communism applied to software
Maybe there is nothing wrong with communism as long as it is effective and is effective, could you think of that?

>>61692122
>is effective and does not hurt people

>>61692122
>as long as it is effective and is effective
for it to be effective control needs to be exerted and when control is exerted people are harmed
pretty simple babe

>>61692122
>communism as long as it is effective and is effective,
Communism is not about 'effectiveness'. Communism is about freedom. Do you really believe that we should produce tons of shit we produce today (cars, smartphones, pharma etc) at the same rate and then force you to but it even if you don't need it? Or those resources could be used to do something useful (space exploration anyone?).

>>61691356
Go back to /pol/

>>61692117
>When why do you call it 'communist theory'?
Read the chain of posts, I was trying to keep it simple rather than autistic since the poster I replied to was obviously a retard.

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>>61690133
>free software ideology is basically communism applied to software
that's where you're wrong
free software just is a different business model than software licensing
it involves selling support for your software while customer can make sure your solution is not botnet, won't automatically go away if you go out of business, customer is not locked into buying new versions etc
it's just about making sure software is not crap, this has nothing to do with communism
where do you retards even get this idea

>>61692222
It's oversimplification IMO. Don't do that.

>>61690133
>his free software ideology is basically communism applied to software
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html

>>61690133
It's a meme that we take half seriously

>>61691030

>about to cross the street
>someone yells: HOLD ON, A CAR IS COMING!
>you: REEEE STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO

>>61692241
>It's oversimplification IMO.
In order to teach these american kids anything, you have to start from their own level in my opinion.

>>61690133
he's a loud autistic commie faggot. in the grand scheme of things he's necessary for the work he has done but other than that he's been worthless to society.

>>61692239
>state socialism just is a different capitalism model than free-market capitalism
No shit sherlock.

>>61692239
>where do you retards even get this idea
It similar to communism not economical but rather, dunno how to put it, on the outside? :
1) Communism opposes big corporation and advocates freedom. FOSS movement does the same. Thins is enough for most people to call it 'communism'
2) Communism is when people do things they like, things they can do best, things that are useful to community, not worrying about survival. Bourgeoisie propaganda says it's impossible. If there is no threat of death from hunger then people will lie down watching TV or something therefore communism cannot exist. FOSS proves it wrong (history also but not many people know history).

>>61690133
His cause is kind of good.
But completely disregards or is completely oblivious of all other aspects of anything.
He is so to speak bluepilled as fuck.

Non to mention I don't recall him ever tackling the issues of free software causing precarious work situations (so much for supporting Sanders).
Correct me if I'm wrong, does he ever give any opinion about FSF labor related issues?

>>61690133
rms is a legend

made free software, open source, gcc, gpl, gnu possible, and still fighting for freedom at his age

Richard "Bernie" Stallman supports animal cruelty.

>>61692334
>lying on the internet

>>61692341
Here is your proprietary link:
https://youtu.be/eG4HrOpzQXY

>>61692313
>Communism opposes big corporation and advocates freedom. FOSS movement does the same
Dood foss does not opposes big corporations, big corporations sell foss solutions

it's true rms makes partisan political statements on his blog tho, i'm just talking about software licensing here

>>61690133
I love him. Every time I'm watching a talk I'm impressed how clear his view on things is.

I think the reason he gets a lot hate on /g/ is because he's just too pure about his ideals and doesn't compromise for comvenience. It's hard for us to reject any proprietary software today and because it's so hard, we decide to hate RMS because he reminds us that we're getting fucked in the ass while using all these convenient, nonfree services.

>>61692387
>i'm just talking about software licensing here
OK and I was talking on movement in general.

Everyone ITT who clames RMS is about communism should go back to school.

>>61690133
You don't appreciate his insight. Enjoy your shit cigarettes and telescreens, cuck.

>seeing in everything le gommunism
that's an american thing right?

>>61692439
>Schools are communist and liberal
>You should go back to school until you are another brick in the wall!!!
Oh I'm laffin

>>61690133
Free software isn't communism. Free software actually works

>>61690319
>Privacy may only matter for criminals now
Do you literally do nothing worth a shit? How banal is your life?

>>61692429
>OK and I was talking on movement in general.
But the movement is about pushing a licensing model.
Big corporations are biggest free software contributors
It's just about commoditizing software products through mutualization of development effort.

>>61692152
>>61692150
The argument which OPs tries to make is void. I have no intention of discussing communism. GNU has lots of software including some of the most widely used, if it was made with communism - ok fine, you are not forced into using it or subverting to it if you do not like it.

Am I the only one who thinks that corporations are astroturfing /g/? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

>privacy is for criminals
>free software is communism

>>61692469
>are communist and liberal
This is mutually exclusive.
>>61692482
>Free software actually works
Communism also works. Most on the human history on this planet is 'communism'. Thanks to communism people survived two ice ages and conquered almost every climate there is on this planet.

>>61692497
>But the movement is about pushing a licensing model.
Is more than that.

Shameless plug, if you support free software, bump this thread: >>61691501

and if you don't support gnu communism, join us: >>61662049

>>61690133
Get raped and kill yourself, you retarded fucking faggot sack of nigger shit with down syndrome.

>>61692546
>>61692576
lmao
>>61692587
/thread

>>61690133
Communism actually works in the context of software.

>>61693482
It works in every context. Communism is natural for humans.

>praises Venezuela
>currently a shithol on the verge of genociding its own population

>>61690133
>Those who speak truth in the deepest form possibly, will achieve prophetic powers.
>Abraham lincoln

>>61690144
>muh safe space
>muh can't handle differing opinions
>muh systematic racism
>muh black people wuz kangs and white people are actually shit
kys

>>61690133
I hate RMS's commie ass in every way possible, except for his views on internet and freedom. Sure they are radical, but it makes people really see the botnet behind the things they use.
I'd say I'm really redpilled too.

>>61690133
>his free software ideology is basically communism applied to software
Not even remotely similar.

>>61690166
Wasn't he onboard the privacy thing way before it was practical to distribute digital images? He started the FSF because of shitty printer drivers right?

>>61690133
If stallman is communism than communism is good.

>>61690133
>his free software ideology is basically communism applied to software
No. It's based on Voluntarism, and iHis endgame is a gift economy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy

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>>He openly supported that Bernie commussy as president

Bernie is not even communism or socialists, he wants Welfare State similar to Northern European and Canada. Only you think government doing shit is communism.

There is mutiple forms of Captialism, and Socialist. It's never been a black or white thing. Most economies are mixed economy.

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>>61690133
Shut up you moron.

>>61694407
Sorry buddy, it didn't work. Not to mention that any rational person doesn't consider FOSS communism.

>Rargh, free software communism? Very yes!
Can you actually provide evidence that's not just a bunch of stupid dumb short sentences?

>>61690133
I like communism.

>>61695770
No you just like the idea, try asking someone that lived through it.

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>>61691953

>>61696260
noone has lived through it, only failed attempts to implement it

>>61690241
Then in 10 years hentai is made illegal and because they have data on you they start to watch you like a hawk. This isn't fantasy, it has actually happened. See: Guns in 'straya. Giving the government data about yourself is a terrible idea, even if you think it's safe now.

>>61696417
It's failed an awful lot because it's an unstable system that relies on the good will to keep upright.

>>61690133
There is literally nothing wrong with Communism

>>61690166
Terry A Davis

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>>61696342
and fixed

>>61696517
summer's here

Communism:
>You give up property to the government, the government has the right to mess with what you own
>A bunch of things are free of charge
>Everyone has an equal amount of wealth, and if one has more than the others, they are a criminal target/killed
>Only the government can provide jobs, films and education, giving them full control of what propaganda they can shove
>"We're the government, and we're here to say that every business on the planet is bad and greedy except ours"

Meanwhile Free Software is simply a systematic pure ideal of providing your source code for beneficial public access in order to modify, copy, and distribute.

Reminder that Communism existed at a time where it wasn't scientifically possible to copy anything by yourself easily physically except paper and that is still true now, if you ignore 3D printers.

Free Software was designed for digital objects that are copiable and usable from storage to storage.

How can we trust "commies" to go to work for free if they won't even do it for money?

>>61690794
>the GPL is actually more like socialism because it requires upstream support and or sharing the source before you can make a buck off their hard work
You don't have to share the source until after you sell it and give them the binary.

>>61696260
Orwell and most people who lived in Anarchist Catalonia seem to have a pretty good opinion about it.

>>61690241
Privacy is very important. If you are OK with BB watching you at all time - suit yourself. But I find it deeply disturbing that I can't do anything on my computer without being tracked or watched. You don't know what kind of people are watching you and how can they abuse their power if they want to. I mean, to look at somebodies house you actually need a warrant but to look at somebodies computer you need only to use a backdoor.

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>>61692313
Thread record in dunning kruger.

Does Stallman live in Cambridge, MA? I saw a beat up Corolla with a GNU sticker recently and it got my noggin joggin.

>>61697084
Yes he lives there.

>>61697107
How much does he make? Cambridge is pretty expensive, so I assumed he lived somewhere else.

>>61690133
you forgot
>regularly eats foot skin

>>61697251
Still better than any burger from mcdognald's.

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>>61691953
>Well, because communism IS freedom.

>>61691953
>>In communism, there is a ruling class who gets to do everything,
>Communism is classless.
That was the goal but wasn't Lenin (and all subsequent countries that adopted Marxist-Leninist practices) that advocated for a vanguard party?

What is a vanguard party but an upper class?

>>61697251
>>regularly eats foot skin
Also he's probably never had sex in his life and it looks like he's not really keen on bathing.
WHO THE FUCK CARES!?
The guy really made the world a better place.

>>61697377
>The guy really made the world a better place.
but he's a paedo

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>>61697377
>he's probably never had sex in his life
He didn't look that bad back in the day, pic related.

>>61697415
>but he's a paedo
I don't think his opinions on age of consent mean that he fucked a child.

>>61690144
fpbp
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>>61690222
>He's a duplicitous snake.

I think Linus is very open about what he thinks

>>61690133
t. never thought for myself or checked out what he is saying

>>61691953
>communism IS freedom
subhuman opinions do not matter

>>61696806
>Communism
>government

spotted the american.

>>61698335
>haha it dosn't can't since the homicidal state, famines and gulags are just a transitional part of communism and not actually communism
hang yourself

>>61692313
I'm non-ironically curious for the historical examples to shut a capitalist friend's mouth once and for all

>>61698133
That image gets me everytime.

What. The hell. Happened?

>>61698747
Pedophila

>>61692487
I said that for the sake of argument, I know that's an over-simplification. For example, a back exec would like his privacy to avoid being targeted by said criminals. My point still stands even conceding the other guy's retarded assertion.