/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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>Users of all levels are welcome to ask questions about GNU/Linux and share their experiences.
I've been thinking about making a GNU/Linux distro. I could go Debian, but a Debian-based distro has been done by everyone and their mother; plus I don't really want to make "just another shitty debian derivative". I looked at OpenSUSE's YaST and while it looked the easiest, it seems neglected. I imagine there should be some tools to help with creating a derivative that's done somewhat properly, KISS and all that, rather than me distributing some shitty virtual machine image that everyone else could only log into with the username that I set once.

What I'm looking for is something
>stable
>good hardware support without modifications
>low bloat
>not too prohibitive for me to strip bundled software out of and replace
>will get out of the way on updates and let me get out of the way.
>will get some packages from my server, but otherwise use base distro's default (ie. Salix or whatever I choose as base)
Preferably not too much maintainence on my side. Although when it updates, I would still like it to:
>request (from my server) and show a message/prompt if necessary before letting the like 2 users who might actually use this upgrade
>request list (from my server) of packages to skip upgrades for (from base distro's server) and obey it, but allow overriding from the user end

So I'm considering something Slackware-based, but not directly. I looked at Salix, Zenwalk, Slackel, and Vector. I don't know what's best for me really. I don't have much experience with anything Slackware-based, although I tried Slackware itself for a month.

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>>61619012
Regarding hardware compatibility, I know with many packages you can make performance optimizations during compilation that will work best/only on your system. Using a Slackware derivative that already runs equally well on many different machines means less thing I could fuck up, one less low-level thing to worry . I probably don't know better than one of the more polished derivatives about compatibility so I would prefer to just piggyback off of their efforts.

also general question. how hard is it to compile a package /once/ that work well on multiple systems? with the scale of supported systems being the same scale as like the average distro? I'm not really looking for the speed advantages of compiling from source like gentoo has/is memed about, just something to make a stable binary from that will work on various different computers to the scale of a major distro' s support.

I'm not expecting to make a real competitor distro, but I figure using Slackware (or something even further down) as a base should help me meet a lot of my goals, and meet them properly.

TL;DR: Making a distro. Slackware-based? Salix?

>>61619012
try suse studio

>>61618944
>>61618944

>>61619092
You shouldn't. They are just (should be) "extension cables" connected to standard connectors on the mobo.

>>61618995
>[ 0.442360] pci 0000:01:00.0: can't claim BAR 6 [mem 0xfffe0000-0xffffffff pref]: no compatible bridge window
>[ 0.442516] pci 0000:01:00.0: BAR 6: assigned [mem 0x92240000-0x9225ffff pref]
>[ 749.921234] vfio-pci 0000:01:00.0: Invalid PCI ROM header signature: expecting 0xaa55, got 0x0000
Is the BIOS setting an invalid value for the ROM pointer?
Is there any hope of dumping it? (either from the main system memory or from the card directly)

>>61618995
which command do I run to list the wifi device I have on my computer?

>>61619012
>Salix
yes

>>61619306
iw dev?
there's also something else for older cards which don't use netlink

universal eq fedora? when im using a certain speaker the balance is way too bass heavy.

>>61619030
>>61619012
Didn't Alienbob make a script that lets you generate an iso from current along with desired packages?

>>61619030
>that will work best/only on your system
No such thing

>how hard is it to compile a package /once/ that work well on multiple systems?
Just do what distros do to compile their packages.

>>61619012

No one will use your distribution.
The fact that you're bikeshedding and asking such trivial questions in a retarded way means you'll never accomplish anything.
You're an idiot.

Sometimes when I compile stuff to asm.js all my 12GB ram gets eat up.

Killing the process doesn't help, my ram stays at 100% + 5GB swap and the system runs like shit until I reboot it. Even if I check htop as root it says that most consuming process is chromium and it's using only 2% of RAM. free -m says that only ~200MB is used for caching.

How can I check what's actually using all the ram and kill it?

>>61620341
memory leak?

>>61620362
In kernel?

Should I upgrade my Fedora 25 to 26?

>>61620461
why why not?

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hello, i'm a beginner at loonix and i just installed Xubuntu 16.04 but wifi isn't working. it worked on 15.04 though. is there an easy fix for this? i'm using ethernet right now but it's annoying since my router is far

>>61620341
Try this:

sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches

>>61620561
Post lsusb and lspci.

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>>61620461

>>61620577
how?

>>61620669
Type those commands into the terminal ,post output.

>>61620549
Too lazy and I don't think there's anything substantial worth upgrading for.
Also I never used an upgrade I always just formatted and reinstalled.
I guess my question is will dnf system-upgrade fuck shit up?

>>61618995
I wanna install linux on my laptop, should I go with arch, fedora or debian? Which DE should I use?

I'm gonna use it for school, music production (been looking at bitwig for a while) and a few games through wine.

>>61620690
Arch if you want shit done.

>>61620714
How about Gentoo?

>>61620767
Gentoo is fine too.

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>>61620690

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>>61620679
hope you're not trying to ruse me anon

>>61620793
>ralkin wifi

that should work btw.
do

dmesg|grep -i firmware

and post the results.
Note: you might have to run dmesg as root.

>>61620793
>ask him to post text
>posts a screenshot
Okay then...
https://askubuntu.com/questions/686188/how-to-install-wifi-driver-ralink-corp-rt3090-wireless-802-11n-1t-1r-pcie-i-am

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I was having some trouble sharing a folder in Nautilus but I managed to get it to work after using gksu nautilus. Now the only problem is that it isn't showing up on Windows 10. Why would this be and how could it be solved?

>>61620891
Don't you need samba for this type of shit?

>>61620904
Yes, that's what I'm using.

>>61620810
sorry i'm late, had shit to do. this happened:

[ 18.677292] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Info - Loading firmware file 'rt2860.bin'
[ 18.944917] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Info - Firmware detected - version: 0.34

>>61620775
Is a cat fine too as well?

>>61621694
So no missing fw, I'm out of ideas.

So I just tried doing minimal Debian install and shit is more complicated than Arch. Missing drivers EVERYWHERE.

Are there some cool/normie people that use GNU/Linux? All I see is those quiet, meek, cautious types.. genuine questions

>>61621896
Did you think installing Arch would teach you shit about Linux?
Arch is a pretty easy distro to install and use.

>>61621975
Well yeah, isn't that the consensus of /g/ hivemind?

>>61621896
just google what you need drivers for, hopefully there are some useful suggestions, scroll through some forums, follow the instructions and after 1-2h hours it will work or you will figure out "meh, I don't really need that, lemmie dual boot that" #theLinuxExperience

>>61621990
>consensus
>on /g/

From which bizarro /g/ did you come from?

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>>61621937
yeah like this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijWcl2Rb4_0
oh, wait nvm

idk, Linus maybe?

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What flag do I have to emerge emacs with to get rid of this stupid ncurses shit? I emerged it with gtk enabled. The chrome looks like gtk, but the text itself isn't. Why is this? When I do a web search, no one else is talking about this, but emacs looks like this every time I install Gentoo. What the hell?

>>61622198
Look up all possible USE flags for emacs on the Gentoo wiki.

>>61622242
I have. I've emerged it a few times now, I think. I'm beginning to suspect that it might be a configuration issue.

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>>61620904
>>61620915
Got it working. Now to see if rtorrent+rutorrent can be properly configured and working.

>>61622534
Might as well post "nvm solved it :^)" if you arent' going to elaborate on what the problem was and how did you solve it.

>>61622603
>>61622534
All that had to be done was enter the server ip and shared folder correctly in Windows explorer. The file on Ubuntu was shared by running nautilus with gksu. >>61620891

anyone here run gentoo with x32 ABI?

Do Linux "devs" not read the shitter brokers or Wikileaks disclosures? Do they intentionally leave these exploits viable?

What's the point of source-based distros? Why should I want to compile every program running on my computer from source instead of downloading binaries?

>>61622885
What exploits?

>>61623195
Optimization

>>61621896
That's why I like gentoo. You actually learn something new.

this might sound silly but i really love mspaint
whats the closest thing in Linux to MsPaint (Win7 ver.) ?
>GIMP is good but too cumbersome for small edits
>Pinta behaves slightly different and is worse in usage

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So I accidentally closed a terminal while I was doing my system update and now I have this. Also, my keyboard doesn't even work on this screen.

Is it dead?

>>61623483
Why would you reboot after an update that didn't went through?

>>61623523
Everything sorta died after I closed that terminal, and I kinda didn't think to open another tty to make sure nothing got fucked.

Honestly at the time I just kinda figured it wouldn't be a big deal since I thought it was still downloading the packages.

>>61623483
boot the arch install disc, chroot into it and do an update
if that doesn't work, ask again

>>61623567
go recovery mode, as long as you can recover your files you have no reason to panic, and then complete your update in recovery mode, make sure you handle all dependencies and whatnot.

if you are using btrfs you could also revert to a snap, or if you have some other form of backup (which you should)

>>61623641
Alright, I'll give this a go. Burning arch disk now.

>>61623733
Yeah, I'm not too panicked or anything. There isn't anything of value on my X220 anyways, since I keep all my files backed up and then a backup of said backup on another machine. I'll post back with how it goes later.

Is BRTFS worth the trouble while we are on the topic?

>>61618995
Please help me choose a Linux distribution I am getting started with C++ but I also want the eye candy

>>61623782
>Is BRTFS worth the trouble while we are on the topic?
What trouble? Btrfs is great.

>>61623787
Eye candy will only distract you from doing any actual work. Get a basic window manager and your productivity will sky rocket.

>>61623782
BTRFS*

It's been a few years and it's gotten more stable, still if you want ext4 or ext3 stable I'd say wait a year or two, you can still use a higher level snapshot using LVMs, but this has less performance

>>61623787
>Ubuntu 16.04 LTS GNOME/Unity
>CLion as IDE is good, but costs shekels.
>Eclipse is slow garbage
>CodeLite doesn't even have fucking linting
>CodeBlocks is unmaintained, last release 18 months ago
>NetBeans is also unmaintained
>Atom is alright, but it's a fucking code editor, good luck with debugging
>Vim,Emacs, they're alright, highly flexible, but they too are code editors, for debugging you'll need to use gdb externally and that's a big pain.

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>>61619057
I have tried it, it seemed neglected and I didn't see a way to make packages that aren't already on there available.
>>61619313
okay
>>61619995
Thanks, that's what I'm looking for. I'll look into that. That should take care of the default packages thing. I hope it works well with Salix or other derivatives, although I could just add a package manager and hopefully do some minimum level of configuration without another script, like add my own repositories. Which means I just have to work out how to handle skipping upgrades.
>>61620110
>No such thing
I know it is though
>Just do what distros do to compile their packages.
You are really trying to help, huh. Oh well, here's your one (1) (You).
>>61620210
>No one will use your distribution.
I know.
>The fact that you're bikeshedding and asking such trivial questions in a retarded way means you'll never accomplish anything.
These are some pretty big issues to plan for, it doesn't take much effort to ask /g/ a few times and wait for answers while doing something else.
>You're an idiot.
I'm sorry I offended you.

>>61623878
>Raven

Came. More?

>>61623878
Fuck off pedo

>>61623641
>>61623733
All better, thanks anons. I wasn't expecting something like that to work for whatever reason, so I'm glad it did.

>>61623977
you did the update?

What is up with emacs font rendering? It uses some other font for Chinese characters even though the font I'm using definitely has those characters.

>>61623301
Optimization from compiling is a load of dog shit. Unless your running a Pentium 3 shit station there is no reason to compile from source

>>61624026
Yep. Just chrooted in, ran the update, and everything fixed itself, updated all the hooks. If anything is borked still, don't know what it would be but I'm back into my system. So, thank you

>>61623451
Not silly. Paint is extremely good for simple tasks. I too would like an answer

So far the best experience I had with linux distros after some mad distrohopping is openSUSE Tumbleweed.

Problem is, it's rather bloated. I don't care much about it on my desktop, I'm fine with that really. Problem is, I have an X220 and I want it there also. That's a 128GB SSD that might seem enough but still, would rather save as much space as possible.

So for someone who's not really that savvy, is there a lighter version, or maybe some notorious packages that wouldn't be needed at all? I know that with Xubuntu for instance they used to (dunno if they still do this) provide a "core" version that only included XFCE with the usual Xubuntu stuff, without most of those extra applications that you might never use.

>>61623451
try getting the hang of gimp, it's not cumbersome once you're used to it
i used to use paint for small things all the time back when i used windows, now i use gimp for the same things, and more things paint couldn't do

>>61624093
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List_of_applications#Raster_editors

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I'm trying to install a new copy of Linux but every time I reach the installation phase, my mouse cursor is invisible yet recognizes movement on the screen.
I swapped mice, tried different distros (Xubuntu, Fedora) yet it's the same issue.
Any ideas on where to start or diagnose this?

>>61624173
>mouse cursor is invisible
>I swapped mice
This hurts to read, Anon

>>61624173
What's your GPU?

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>>61623895
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=raven_%28dc%29
>>61623972
??? I'm sorry I offended you, not really sure (or interested in) the how. Are you projecting?

>>61624173
sounds like a hardware cursor issue

>>61624173
before booting the live cd, add "nomodeset" to your kernel parameters.

how do i get my wifi to work properly on luuntu 16.04?

I use my phones 4g and make a hotspot to use on other devices.
It used to work fine on my laptop with win10. It works fine on my family members' phones. I get half signal strength on my laptop with lubuntu now with phone sitting literally 10 inches from my laptop.

please anonymous show me your deadbeef ;_;

Which file manager works best with i3?

Is there an alternative to f.lux/redshift that actually respects a custom colour profile as a base?

Obviously I don't care about accurate colour reproduction if I'm using these, but my monitor is fucking atrocious without the colour profile so it makes these programs practically unusable.

>>61623972
>posting this on a honeypot board

>>61624311
You probably need to update or install your card drivers

>tfw /fglt/ threads last 1-2 days
>tfw last thread 404'd
Is the end of non-botnet threads on /g/ near?

>>61623839
>GNOME
>not MATE

>>61624603
>namefagging
>non tripfagging

>>61624515
Was just thinking about which file manager is best myself.
But if a file manager actually depends at all on which window manager you're using then it's probably shit already. You should be able to use anything on i3, just look for what you need.

>install st
>tfw its actually slower than urxvt
>tfw I got meme'd again
>tfw no face

I'm going to write bash script which checks temperatures of my computer and warns me when it's too hot. How can I get parse result of sensors command with grep/awk/sed? I want to get temperature numbers.

>>61624682
temperatures are exposed to the filesystem, like basically everything else

% cat /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon1/temp1_input 
58750

(that's 58.75C)

>>61624682
Made something like this a while ago.

$ sensors | awk '/Core 0/ { print +$3 }'
66
$ sensors | awk '/Core 0/ { print $3 }'
+66.0°C

To get the vanilla "temp1/temp2" values, grep them and match field 2:

sensors | awk '/temp1/ { print $2 }'

>>61624753
>>61624682
there's also a "name" file in there, which you might also want

% cat /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon*/name
radeon
k10temp
fam15h_power
nct6776

>>61624753
>>61624754
>>61624803

Thank you! I think, I'll use version with filesystem and cat.

What file managers actually display reasonable sized thumbnails?

I think dolphin has the biggest of any Linux file browser I'm aware of.
Thunar is also decent enough

But most linux file managers have pathetically small to no thumbnails at all

Redpill me on centos

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>>61625000
spacefm goes up to 512x512, if you're so inclined

>>61625041
precompiled RHEL with the artwork changed

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>>61618995
Ok my dear /g/entoomen, I have a problem that I had to deal with for too long now. I have an Asus X552C laptop, with a Mediatek MT730E Wifi + Bluetooth Combo on it.
Point is: it doesn't fucking work. I use Ubuntu 16.04 (I have a double booting machine, 'cause I need Windows for work) and everytime I update the kernel I had to apply this patch to make it connect to WiFi and use bluetooth:

https://github.com/neurobin/MT7630E

But now, with kernel 4.4.0-87, even that does nothing (my system freezes everytime I try to install it, and I have to hard reboot). I'm pretty much forced to use my windows partition for internet and shit.

So, since I'm a fucking noob, I have a few questions:

1 - Why the fuck is Ubuntu still not compatible with it? The patch existed for a while, couldn't the updates include it or be made in a way that makes them able to recognize my hardware and avoid fucking up the WiFi drivers every fucking time?

2 - There is something I can do to fix my problems right now?

3 - If not, what's a good (better than this one, at least) WiFi card that's perfectly compatible with both Windows (I use 8.1) and Ubuntu (and my other hardware, of course)? I need something that's not too expensive.

4 - If I buy this new one, can I change it myself? Do I need to format everything or it's almost as easy as adding ram (already done it) and I can just turn my PC on after it and use it?

The ironic thing is that I installed Ubuntu also because WiFi was working like shit in Windows (randomly disconnected, and I had to reboot every time to use it again) and on Linux it was slightly better, and now (after getting some updated drivers from Mediatek support by email and after the last kernel updates on Ubuntu) the situation became the opposite of that.

>>61625091
Nice, I'm trying it now but is there any way to get files to show up in a grid, or can it only do a single vertical list?

>>61625091
>>61625319
Nevermind I got it

>>61625000
GNU/Linux*

>forgot I suspended my laptop last night
>I've been refreshing the old thread for 3 hours
w3m life is hard

>>61624115
You know you can pick and choose the software to install during the update, yeah?

>>61625292
Get anything Atheros.

>>61625292
Oh, also, yeah, you can replace it easily, just have to take the laptop apart.

>>61624088
/g/ wins again

>>61624603
MATE is alright too, but I'd say it's in between GNOME and XFCE when it comes to eye candy.

what should I know before installing arch
im currently a windows user and i dont know any terminal commands

>>61625863
How to read english.

>>61620690
Debian or Fedora if you want to get shit done, Debian for stability (stable)/rolling release(testing/sid) or Fedora for cutting edge point release.

Arch is okay, it has some issues (devs don't care about users, only about keeping their job easy, broken Python syslink, Arch Way is a meme, etc), vanilla packages (a plus IMO) and manual setup for everything (Unlike Debian's scripts or Fedora's mostly sane default and activation), it also breaks a lot (see: kernel 4.12)

>>61626264
>debian
>getting shit done

>broken Python syslink
What?

>>61626283
He's referring to python symlinking to python3 on Arch, while it's python2 on pretty much any other distro. This however isn't broken at all, Arch packages obviously expect it to be this way.

>>61626362
Exactly, except that external Python scripts expect "python3" or "python" depending on whatever it's using Python 2 or 3. It's a flaw on Arch.

What's the current state of VIA Chipset/GPU on Linux? Is OpenChrome still the best way to do it?

>>61626477
Scripts assuming python is python2 are broken. The correct way is to use python2 or python3 sheebang.

>>61626546
Fucking bad coders strike again, but it's a real issue unfortunately.

>>61626477
python3 and python2 should work on any distro (and it's what the devs should use instead of relying on a distro-related symlink)

It's also the scripts fault if it uses bin/sh in the shebang and then doesn't work on dash, breaking on any Debian-based distro, and not Debians fault.

I'd like to add an item to the context menu in the GNOME file browser that opens the terminal in the current dir. I know I can do it with nautilus-action-config but I was wondering if I can do it with writing some own code. Do you guys know where I could add the code or should I just take it easy and do it with the nautilus stuff?

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Is it possible to setup ranger as the default file manager on my system so that when say, firefox wants to browse for a file it uses it?

Also anyone figured out a way to make image preview not shit itself? Hasn't worked well for me borders on with either Teminator or Termite.

>>61626724
What makes you think Firefox uses a file manager for that?

>>61626264
>python
Arch is a ROLLING RELEASE distro.PYTHON 3 is the LATEST version of PYTHON.Of course PYTHON 3 it will be the DEFAULT python
>it also breaks a lot (see: kernel 4.12)
4.12 broke nothing

>>61626765
>breaking standards
Also see here for breakage:
https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/6q60o0/linux_412_is_now_in_core/

fuck it, I guess I'll ask now. That fat guy with the beard thats always on his laptop invented linux right? Why does he always get posted on here?

>>61626797
No,he created gnu 30 years ago and isnt relevant anymore.
He is also a pedophile,parrot molester and eater of dirty foot skin

Linus created Linux.He also contributes heavily to a varying amount of software.

>>61626797
No, the one who invented Linux is Linus Torvalds, and he looks like a proper person. The fat guy with the beard is Richard M. Stallman, the one behind the GNU and the FOSS movement.

>>61626776
All im seeing is people using nonstandard configs,not updating their nonstandard config to work with updated packages,as well as people who dont know about updated features in the kernel bitching about them

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>>61626754
dunno

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>>61626840
>It's the kernel. The iTCO_wdt driver sets the timeout wrong and the system reboots after half the configured timeout has expired. Systemd resets the timer after half the configured timeout as well, so depending on some random stuff, it's too late. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196509

>>61626776
I don't see any Arch-specific issues there

>>61625565
>>61625578
Ok, thank you m9.

>>61624307
nomodset.blacklist=(the name of the driver) and enter

>>61625292
>Mediatek MT730E Wifi
https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1796

eh?

>>61621937
me desu

>>61625863
Wipe your brains of anything specific to windows, like windows key, crtl+alt+del, etc

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What's /fglt/'s opinion about Salix?
Is it a decent Slack derivative?

>>61627018
Anything slack related is garbage

>>61626952
It's the patch I used for a couple of years. It doesn't work anymore, and anyway I had to reinstall it for every update.

>>61626975
>windows key
besides the name branding it's not specific to windows at all.
I actually use it way more now than I ever did on windows.

>>61627027
>Slack is shit

Care to explain?

>>61626833
>>61626814
How relevant is Stallman anyways? Sounds like he's only got a small cult of followers with no real say in modern world.

>>61627095
One word
Dependencies

>>61627102
extremely in the linux world, in the enterprise? Just another linux prick

>>61627115
i haven't had any issues, that is with the Slackbuilds.org packs, Most i had was with Ewbuntu

>>61618995
Hi, so I recently installed Fedora, but every time it updates the kernel it doesn't work. I've been running fine kernel 4.8.x, but most recent updates go to 4.11.x and at startup it gets dead slow, I mean every hovering over a button makes it freeze for seconds and well, it sucks. I can't update the os anymore without it wiping the functioning kernel, but I want to know if there's something I can do to fix it?

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>>61627102
He isnt.
He goes around to poor colledges and dances on stage and throws temper tantrums to trick the small room of tech students in to giving him money

His last contribution to the tech industry was in '76 when he published emacs.Beyond that he dosent write code anymore and just yells loudly to get people to give him interviews so he can spout his nonsense

Pic related,its him spazzing out cause he got the wrong bran of water bottle

>>61627115
Salix uses slapt-get as pkgmgr to automatically track dependencies.

>>61627144
>GCC doesn't exist

Ncmpcpp users:
Is there a way to bind something to SHIFT+SPACE?
I tried shift-space, but it doesn't work. Is SPACE unmodifiable?

>>61627144
He didnt even create emacs,he rewrote it

>>61627144
Had to look up the source of that gif. This guy is ridiculous.
https://youtu.be/yNyMNDc8az8?t=6m18s

>>61627167
He didnt single handedley create gcc,many other people were involved in the project

>>61627267
>single handedley
That's not a requirement for a contribution

>>61627289
Who knows how much he contributed to it then?
He could have just created the framework and then other people did 90% of the job finishing it.
This sounds exactly something he would do

>>61627312
10% of GCC would be quite a lot of contribution.

>>61627361
Not really.

Anyone tried Antergos? Is Arch a bad idea for a newb that doesn't know much about linux, and has only used Mint before?

>>61627369
Yes, really. Considering how many people contributed to gcc, one person doing 10% of it would really be a lot.

Why doesn't Torvalds get his dick sucked as much as Stallman does around here? He basically invented the OS so many of you cream your pants for.

>>61627413
No,not really
https://gcc.gnu.org/steering.html

David Edelsohn (IBM)
Kaveh R. Ghazi
Jeffrey A. Law (Red Hat)
Marc Lehmann (nethype GmbH)
Jason Merrill (Red Hat)
David Miller (Red Hat)
Toon Moene (Koninklijk Nederlands Meteorologisch Instituut)
Joseph Myers (CodeSourcery / Mentor Graphics) [co-Release Manager]
Gerald Pfeifer (SUSE)
Ramana Radhakrishnan (ARM)
Joel Sherrill (OAR Corporation)
Ian Lance Taylor (Google)
Jim Wilson (Linaro)

>>61627441
we only talk about bad things, and there's literally nothing bad about torvalds

>>61627441
Linus dosent need recgoniztion thrown at him every 5 minutes. He knows what he did.

Stallman on the otherhand,has to constantly be in the spotlight to prove he did more then just create gnu,he constantly goes out of his way to take credit from Linus and everyone that has ever worked on the Linux Kernel code.He has nothing else to his name so he tries to steal it

>>61627447
That's the Steering Commitee, that's far from all contributors.
You also omitted Stallman who's part of it.

>>61627376
You'll probably want to give Antergos or Manjaro a spin before you delve into Arch.
Not that Arch is terribly difficult for an intermediate user or newcomer to grasp. Keep the installation guide and manual beside you and you'll seldom run into problems. The Arch Wiki is an excellent resource.
That being said, both Antergos and Manjaro are going to give you the ability to acquaint yourself with Pacman and the AUR. There's a world of difference between Debian derived distros and those based off vanilla Arch. For example, the Arch method of package management is a little different than Debian/Mint's dpkg/apt-get. You'll probably pick it up pretty quickly, though, and the ability to boot into a pre-made Arch install, where most everything "just werks," is quite convenient.
Best of luck, anon.

>>61627529
>both Antergos and Manjaro are going to give you the ability to acquaint yourself with Pacman and the AUR.
I fail to see how these 2 would help with that at all.
And newbies shouldn't fuck with the AUR anyway.

>>61627581
>and newbies shouldn't fuck with the AUR anyway.
There is no reason they shouldnt

>>61627529

>Antergos and Manjaro are going to give you the ability to acquaint yourself with Pacman and the AUR

Yes, of course. People should install a shitty downstream distribution which causes nothing but bugs just to "learn" how to use a simple package manager. Totally.
Idiot.

>>61627628
Like half of the problems with updates on the forum come from people replacing system packages with something from the AUR and then break shit with an update since they didn't realize that they have to update their AUR packages as well.

Get familiar with the system before you start fucking around with it.

I'm trying to dual-boot Arch Linux onto a macbook pro retina running El Capitan, and I've gone through an installation guide, but it's telling me that there is no internet connection.

Is it possible to also keep a persistent version of Arch on a thumb drive?

>>61627681
They wouldnt be replacing system file.They woudl be adding in extra programs that arent in core

>>61627441
>He basically invented the OS
Writing a (shitty and incomplete) x86 clone of Minix is hardly inventive. The revolutionary part was releasing it under GNU GPL for other hackers to improve and share freely (which they did). So yeah, it's Stallman's dick that should be sucked.

How can I find non-free software on my system? I used not to care about free/proprietary but I changed my opinion on this topic and want to remove/replace all non-free software. Distro is Arch and package manager thus pacman.

>>61627725
They'd totally even replace GTK with an AUR package if that would give them thumbnails in the filepicker.

>>61627725

You're an idiot.
I remember at least one instance where someone on here replaced some package that's in the official repository with an AUR version and it caused problems for him (it was GTK3). That's just on here. There are way more examples on the official forums.

>>61627790
install/convert to parabola

>>61627790
pacman -Qi

>>61627790
Install the you-freedom package from parabola. It conflics with all nonfree packages.

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>xfce power manager plugin icon doesnt respect icon theme
>spend hours trying to fix it and finally manage to make it work by manually installing xfce power manager
>internet doesnt work the next day
>spend hours trying to fix that now
>pacman log says network manager has been installed without me knowing and a simple uninstall cleared the issue

such is the daily life of using linux

>>61627805
>replace gtk
You arent replacing anything, you're using a PATCHED version of gtk,thats the exact say codebase as the default package.Its the exact same functionality,with added patches.It performs the same way
>>61627807
Right so we only use coreutils from BASE and never touch anything else
Perfect

>>61627864
You probably should cut back on the drugs

>>61627864
>network manager has been installed without me knowing
yep, you're an idiot

>>61627900
The difference is that the AUR package doesn't get automagically updated when all the shit depending on it (With GTK that would be a lot) starts expecting it in a newer version.
You don't have that problem with official packages unless you happen to sync against an out-of-sync mirror.

>>61627817
I've considered that too. Do you use it? What would you say are its shortcomings?

>>61627831
then what? I'm not going to manually scroll through 550 packages... is there something I can grep for?

>>61627847
It's not on the AUR from what I've seen...

>>61628005
>is there something I can grep for?
Did you not at least check the output for a single package before asking that? It should be obvious.

>>61628005

Create a shell script which would go through all of your installed packages.

>>61628042
If you're referring to "Licenses", most of them are custom so there's not really much to get from that.

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How does one achieve the physique like Stallman's? His limbs look "average" but holy fuck that beach ball belly.

>>61628102
Well, that's a problem I didn't consider. Might be a hassle to sort it out yourself then, probably better to go parabola.

>>61628206
Eat too many Haribo GoldBears

>>61628206
Low testosterone. Women generally have lots of belly fat whereas men have their fat more evenly distributed across the body. This is linked to testosterone levels.

I'm probably retarded for not being able to figure this out, but on the off chance that this is actually non-obvious and you'll humor me.
How do you use GPG to validate a signature using the web of trust when you get public key A from the same site as the file? It's signed by key B, which in turn is signed by key C from a reasonably trustworthy and separate organization such that I'm comfortable thinking getting A and C over https from their official sites means there's no trickiness going on since they both shouldn't be compromised by the same actor. Imported the key in the middle B from a keyserver and have C set to full trust and signed. Is --list-keys --list-options show-uid-validity B still supposed to come up [ unknown ]? I guess I'd have to have B trusted as full before --verify works, but how do I confirm that C signed B locally rather than relying on the keyserver's web interface?

legit question from a retard

Mac OS X is technically linux , is that right?


So the general use of linux that people talk about here, is that all available on OS X?

I want to learn linux but I only have a shitty macbook, I dont want to gimp myself using it when I can just install ubuntu or whatever.

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>>61628464
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>61628464
>Mac OS X is technically linux , is that right?
No

>>61628464
>Mac OS X is technically linux , is that right?
Stallman would probably have a life-ending stroke if he read this.

>>61628464
macOS is technically BSD.
It's completly unrelated to the kernel Linux.

>>61628464
osx is technically xnu

>>61628464
>Mac OS X is technically linux , is that right?
No. MacOSX uses a kernel that was originally a BSD fork. It has probably changed a lot since then, though.

>I want to learn linux but I only have a shitty macbook, I dont want to gimp myself using it when I can just install ubuntu or whatever.
Use Qemu then

>>61628464
Linux is technically a kernel.
macOS is technically malware.

>>61628464
mac os x uses a free, unix-like kernel as well, but it's not linux, it's not even like linux except for the fact they're both like unix
xnu (osx's kernel) is much closer to bsd than linux

>>61628464

if you want to learn gahnoo+loonix, install noobuntu.

>>61628464
>ubuntu
Should be blacklisted in these threads. After all, this is 'Friendly GNU/Linux Thread', not 'Friendly Amazon Spyware, Adware, Malware, Bloatware, SJWware Thread'

>>61628635
It's none of those things anymore, bro.

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>>61628464
>Mac OS X is technically linux , is that right?
Yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBQ7ukwK56Q

How is elementaryOS instead of Ubuntu for a beginner?

How many of you use functional distributions like NixOS or GuixSD?

Any tips for something thinking of switching from Debian?

>>61628635
this

>>61628635
which distro would you suggest for babbies first gnu+linux?

>>61628718
Read the OP you fucking moron

>>61628734
It's too large.

>>61628702
Why not just use Guix on Debian?

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>>61628745
That's what she said.

>>61628745
How retarded do you have to be to be literally incapable of reading a paragraph of text? And yet here you are, actively looking for someone to spoonfeed your ADHD ass.

>>61628718
gentoo

>>61628754
I use Nix on Debian, and while it's nice, I'm looking to switch all my systems to a functional manager.

>>61628718
I'd recommend Fedora, Arch or Solus. If you're opting for a GNU/Linux OS, I presume *some* background of how computers work so all these distros will be fine.

why is there not a single pretty gui/en out there

>>61628812
Then just do it. Nobody's stopping you. Clearly you already have experience, so why are you asking for advice?

I mean, what could you genuinely expect from this thread in terms of advice beyond "read the documentation" and "try it on another distro beforehand"?

>>61628718
install gentoo

>>61628821
install gentoo

>>61628689
install gentoo

>>61628847
Because the Nix documentation sucks balls.

Why do we still have to deal with localization in 2017? Just make everything English and fuck localization and locales; that would make software smaller and troubleshooting easier. Anybody using a non-idiot OS will be able to read and write English just fine anyway. And this is coming from somebody who speaks English as their third language.

>>61628908

That's the most retarded thing I've read all month. Congratulations for being so ironically retarded. That's what I call people who think they're smart for doing something, but which shows the opposite, i.e.: how retarded they are.

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>>61628938
NOT
AN
ARGUMENT

>>61628908
What did locales do to you that you hate them so much?

Other than

sudo apt-get update

and

sudo apt-get upgrade

what commands do yall run after a fresh install?

>>61621896
Debian is a freetard distro unless you enable non-free repos. You've gotta expect these issues when you go freetard.

>>61629092
Debian's Social Contract states the goal of making Debian entirely free software, and Debian conscientiously keeps nonfree software out of the official Debian system. However, Debian also provides a repository of nonfree software. According to the project, this software is “not part of the Debian system,” but the repository is hosted on many of the project's main servers, and people can readily find these nonfree packages by browsing Debian's online package database and its wiki.

There is also a “contrib” repository; its packages are free, but some of them exist to load separately distributed proprietary programs. This too is not thoroughly separated from the main Debian distribution.

Previous releases of Debian included nonfree blobs with Linux, the kernel. With the release of Debian 6.0 (“squeeze”) in February 2011, these blobs have been moved out of the main distribution to separate packages in the nonfree repository. However, the problem partly remains: the installer in some cases recommends these nonfree firmware files for the peripherals on the machine.

Debian's wiki includes pages about installing nonfree firmware.

>>61629022
After installing a Debian-based distro, I recommend you uninstall it immediately. At least, that's what I would do.

https://wiki.debian.org/AntiHarassment
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2016/07/msg00028.html

>>61629121
>in some cases recommends these nonfree firmware files for the peripherals on the machine.
How evil, it tells you that you need nonfree shit to run your hardware.

Ok /g/, im falling for the install gentoo meme and installing gentoo on a spare pc with decent modern specs.

>>61629190
Have fun

>>61629155
That Antiharrassment page seems like satire, but I know it isn't. It's horrible how much of a cult that is.

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>>61629155
I havent chuckled this hard all year

>>>/lgbt/8650537
>>>/lgbt/8650537
>>>/lgbt/8650537

My friend just found out that uninstalling VLC uninstalls all of KDE with it.
KDE-fags, explain yourselves.

>>61629362
fake news

>>61629362
You must be using an apt based distrobution,in which case, that is normal and working as intended

>>61629362
Must be using apt package manager?

>>61629426
>>61629434
Not my system but yes it's apt based. So it's normal for apt to just uninstall half your system? LOL

>>61629362
Prolly using a Debian based distro. Apt is a shit.

What would be best GNOME distro? I heard of Fedora, but I tried at least KDE on that and it really shat the bed much more than other distros like Kubuntu/openSUSE. Not sure if it's the same with GNOME.

>>61629465
What does the DE have to do with the distro?

>>61629494
Not sure, but I did test out both Fedora and Tumbleweed with KDE and found that the former had many applications related to KDE crashing constantly.

>>61629494
You can get newer versions with some distros.

why is this thread full of freedom/rms hating meme faggots?

>>61629752
Because stallman is a pathetic washed up has been joke.His 4 commandmants are comical at best and noe one takes him seriously

>>61629766
Dumb phone poster. Learn to hit space.

>>61629776
I hit "space" 21 times.
Retarded stallman dirty foot eater

>>61629766
>His 4 commandmants are comical
He makes sense to a degree. I simply don't like how he thinks he is the mouthpiece for Linux. He is not.

>>61629766
without him being so stubborn about his ideals, we wouldn't be here right now

>>61629800
>freedom
>licensed
pick one

>>61629752
12 year olds trying to be edgy

>>61629848
congratulations, you've misunderstood everything

>use urxvt for years
>accidentally hit alt+s
>tfw this thing has scrollback search
wtf i love urxvt

>>61629832
Yes we would have.
Linux would have simply choose another userland and moved on.

GPL is for retarded faggots who want to give away all of their hard work for free.

Which is typical of stallman because he hasent contributed to the tech industry since '76,and just fucking wants free source code since he is no longer an innovator or creator

>>61629848
Look at the license as nothing more than a declaration of freedom. It is unfortunate that corporate kikes only understand terminology like this.

>>61618995
I just met Mark Bolzern and had a nice discussion about phones and the patterns in hardware/software with him

ama

>>61629900
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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>What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

>>61629941
>contributes nothing to the conversation

Teach me how to use grep /g/entoomen.
Simple basic command to find files please?

>>61629968
locate filename

my phone doesn't support a 5 ghz connection but i need to use one for the next week. i can use my win10 laptop to connect to the network but every couple hours it seems to be shutting off the mobile hotspot, and its annoying/inconvenient to keep turning it on

how do i stop it from shutting off?

>>61629968
find ~ *foo*

>>61629971
bash: locate: command not found

>>61629992
lmao, what stupid distro do you use that doesn't have mlocate?
>find ~ *foo*
please learn how to use find

>>61628718
>babbies first gnu+linux?
There is absolutely nothing about ubuntu that makes it babby anything. If you value actually doing things with your os more than how many tryhard autistic points you get for installing it then theres no such thing as a babby distro.

>>61630026
t. triggered ubuntu user (not a baby)

>>61630020
>please learn how to use find
what's the problem with my example you stupid nigger? finds all files with the pattern *foo* in the home directory

>>61630040
Did you even run it you stupid white male? Do you know what globbing is?

>>61630040
Have a correct find command so you learn something.

find ~ -type f -name '*.conf'

>>61629919
why even have a license?

>>61630116
Because no license means copyright, e.g. proprietary.

>>61630097
This is neat!
Care to explain what it does and how it works?

>also, how did you type code inside the white box?

>>61630132
>he has a white box
>not a black box

>>61629899
Check out the perl extensions too, there is one for copying using a vim-like visual mode.

>>61629752
A reaction to autist trying to be thought police and harassing people with their shitty copy pasta.

Any pointers to a good resource on how to get vim set up and running properly?

I've been writing code in Atom up until now but since I'm planning to get an arrowkey-less keyboard soon I'd like to switch to an editor that doen't really require them. I've used vim only for small config file changes and stuff thus far.

>>61630033
Na I've used almost every top distro even gentoo for a long time. I just realize its actually pointless to judge a distro based on how easy it is to install and install packages. What actually matters is what you can do with it.

why did you cyber bully him, /g/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2efSysPvy8

>>61630241
You could try using emacs. Dont believe all the stuff about pinky. Theres not reason to use your pinky at at all. You can use the space cadet keyboard layout which lets you use your thumbs for C and M.
It looks like this.
[META]-[CTRL]-[ SPACE ]-[CTRL]-[META]

or theres an evil mode that lets you use vim keybindings.

>>61618995
redpill me on Slackware, is it worth trying out
t. windows babby trying to escape the iron grip of Bill "the devil himself" Gates

So, what's a good alternative to whatever nautilus uses for mounting google drive?

10 to 30 seconds everytime I want to open up a folder is not exactly a good thing

dead

Is it possible to get i3-gaps on debian stable?

>>61631208
git clone; make
Also make sure to install den dependencies (you can get them with build-dep.

>>61630241
Run vimtutor. That's all you need.

>>61631452
Yeah, but the guide on wiki says stretch. Just wondering if it really matters.

>>61630552
slackware is too difficult for a beginner, install debian

>>61631501
It'll complain about missing symbols or library versions if that is the case. Then you will know!

Are there any major differences in security when it comes to Debian stable and testing?

>>61631622
I'm not sure anyone has actually tracked security patches and how long it takes but the theory is:
* maintainer (or sometimes security team) learns of security issue and puts some time aside to patch their packages
* write patch or pull from upstream and apply to experimental/unstable package
* backport patch to stable version of package and add to backports
* package transitions from unstable to testing after normal grace period of 10 days without blocking bugs
So assuming the maintainers aren't slow at backporting testing should get access to fixes before testing and round the same time as unstable.
Of course stable has more security isses due to having older software and some of those issues wont apply at all to the newer suites.

>>61625115
So the perfect distro?

>>61631492
It only covers the basics

>>61631751
Why don't you say what you want then?

>>61631777
I want to be pretty fast with vim and have the needed plugins etc installed

>>61631728
I know that non-free is unsupported but would it be more secure than others like Ubuntu, Arch, etc.

As Linux is released under GPL2, does that mean I can sell Linux?

>>61631728
Just double checked https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and it seems testing does have a security channel `deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main` and with just a two day delay.

>>61631866
The individual packages in non-free and contrib are still supported by the maintainers of the packages, just not the security team. I don't know if arch and ubuntu have security teams that handle CVE to non-core packages either but I doubt it.

>>61632004
Arch team says they monitor core, extra, and community. Would they make them the better choice over non-free debian?

>>61631989
Why would rms allow people to sell their code with GPL? To make it more tenting for people to make their code libre?

>>61631890
Yeah but the point is that you have to give you customers the source too. So if you just try to sell that your customers can just build it themselves. If you actually want to make a, functioning, business with you main product being gpl licensed you need to sell either tangible addons or non tangible things like your expertise in the product (prompt maintainance, customer specified additions, basically specialised contracting) or you customer support. This help create a healther commercial ecosystem around the product.

>>61632032
I don't know how their suites compare but in arch don't most people got a bunch of packages from the aur anyway?
Really I think there is like a teir one of security in linux distros and all the main upstream ones are in it and comparable. Just pick which one you like.

>>61632034
Are you stupid? Ofc you can sell GPL'd code.

>>61632131
>>61632131
>>61632131

>>61632111
I'm asking why

>>61632169
Freedom

>>61632183
Why would you want your code to be sold by someone?