Will we see Skynet in our lifetimes?

>>61602340
yeah most likely.

>>61602466

How do you think it'll happen? Full-on genocide by AI, or a more gradual overtaking to the point where humanity is just not needed anymore?

That being said, the more I think about it, maybe the former is for the best? I mean, without trying to sound like too much of a hippie, haven't we as a species fucked up enough already?

It would almost be neat to see how humanity would react to not being at the top of the food chain anymore, and by our own hubris too!

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>>61602516
Either one is good. Humanity needs to be stopped at this point.

>>61602516

Not him but if you think about it, it's likely for a self-aware A.I. to see humanity as a threat to the planet. We are. We're a fucking cancer. Somehow Skynet got access to nukes and just unleashed all hell. In the matrix, humans nukes the sky to eliminate the A.I./robots power source, but it didn't work (kek).

As far as the probability, I think we're still a ways off. Though we are throwing WAY more money and resources at A.I. than ever before right now.

I just wanna see the technological singularity happen in my lifetime although it's not probable.

I think we'll all probably nuke each other sooner or later. China and Russia are already secretly teaming up behind our back because they feel threatened. Our top general literally just stated that if Trump gave the order to nuke in a first strike, he'd follow it.

I think we're fucked by our own selves long before anything cool happens.

>>61602516
>>61602561
Personally, I'm kinda' hoping for some middle ground. Like, enslavement, or maybe a utopia?

I know that doesn't sound like much of a middle ground, but either a society where humans are so outdated that the machines are just driving the entire planet while we relax, reproduce, and wait to die, or a complete Matrix-style enslavement where we're shown a nice interactive movie as we wait to be harvested.

I don't think it will happen in nuclear fire anyway, as even the most cold-calculating machine would probably see SOME use for us.

>>61602573
>see humanity as a threat to the planet.
And why is that? Why would the ai give a fuck about animals and shit?
There's nothing humans can possibly do to destroy the planet itself.

>>61602516
It will be a nice AI that will help us. Retards talking about an AI killing humanity are fucking stupid and know nothing, they only get their ideas from movies and literal retards that know nothing about AI (ie stephen hawkings).
Only faggots spread FUD about AIs, they will be good and will help us.

>>61602587
>utopia

I don't think we're as far away from this as people believe. The smarter the AI gets, the less we'll have to actually DO. Hell most jobs will probably be eradicated in a few hundred years thanks to machines being able to do them around the clock with no break and no complaining at a higher efficiency than we ever could.

The real question isn't "what happens when the machines take over?", the question is "what will humanity do when the machines take over?".

>>61602590

There might be resources the AI deems too valuable to allow for human consumption. Like, let's say that the future AI needs components made of diamonds or some shit. Now there's always the fear that China will accidentally set off a nuke above a diamond-mine in Africa. Does the AI really want to take that chance?

>>61602599
>t. Skynet

>>61602590

Well I meant the AI would see humans as both a threat to the planet, as well as themselves.

Sure robots don't need to breathe air, but they probably wouldn't want the earth to keep degrading itself.

Suppose the AI calculates that the ice caps will all melt and the continents will be underwater far sooner than expected... robots don't want to exist underwater.

What the fuck do I know I'm tired and rambling with my tin foil hat on

>>61602672

Why wouldn't the AI like to be underwater?
>the deeper it goes, the less vegetation and shit to deal with
>nice and cool, most places
>leaves more of the surface available for solar power plants or whatever

I don't know, they're all pretty weak arguments, but I don't see why the AI wouldn't build it's own Atlantis and just chill under the north sea.

>>61602773

Hahaha I like your line of thinking. I was thinking salt water is some pretty corrosive shit. Algae and seeweed building up over stuff. Idk.

As someone with a degree in Artificial Intelligence I am fine with this.

>>61602516
Same way modern society is a bunch of mixed mongrels

Slowly machines will gain rights and activists will try to further an equality agenda that respects robots as equals. Soon enough anybody who discriminated against a machine will be ostracized and excluded from society

>>61602836

Do you aim for "pet" status? Perhaps you'll be valued higher by the machine-mind for your knowledge and you'll be offered a slightly less miserable existence in exchange for playing tech-support or something every now and then?

It kinda' makes you wonder what qualities the AI would prefer in it's human underlings. You know, assuming it doesn't just go with the genocide thing.

Would strong and flexible humans be preferable, or would think-tank environments to attempt to replicate human creativity be a thing?

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>>61602853

So you don't foresee enslavement OR genocide, but integration?

I don't think so. One thing we've proven throughout history is that humanity is hardly the most tolerant race.

And now you think we're going to give clever toasters rights?

>>61602878
Yes. The instant robots become able to be empathized with and perform the actions of an average person, they will be integrated as equals in society.

>>61602919

But the argument will always be that they won't be able to emphasize, that they're just mimicking it for our entertainment and their rights.

And there's not argument against this because we aren't able to define the emotion properly so we can't check.

But I will admit that this is a weak argument and I'm sure someone else could phrase it to sound more convincing. I just don't see an AI wanting to live alongside humans. Even if it did develop emotion, humans in their early years strived to be the dominant species.

Why wouldn't the machine do that too?

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>>61602340
Revelation 13:4-9
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

If any man have an ear, let him hear.

>>61602985
>christfags

>>61602985

You stopped at the best part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx5KnFr9xSk

>>61602599
>>>61602516
>It will be a nice AI that will help us. Retards talking about an AI killing humanity are fucking stupid and know nothing, they only get their ideas from movies and literal retards that know nothing about AI (ie stephen hawkings).
>Only faggots spread FUD about AIs, they will be good and will help us.
>>61602599

Fuck off, Zuckersperg.

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>>61602967
>But the argument will always be that they won't be able to emphasize, that they're just mimicking it for our entertainment and their rights.

so, black people do this and theyre still welcome in society

>>61603037
>thread is turning into /pol/
I wonder if this was OP's goal.

>>61602855
Assuming that it has underlings, I don't think it'd prioritize the brainiacs but it depends a lot on what it's goals are. Like, in the Matrix the only real goal seems to be to stay alive and make sure humans don't fuck up it's food-habit.

In Terminator the goal seems to just be total and utter control of the entire planet.

If it's goal is, for example, something stupid like "saving Earth", it might just go out of it's way to eradicate all threats to Earth, which essentially means tearing apart the entire galaxy (don't want a meteor to accidentally hit our precious Earth!) until only Earth remains.

And it's not going to need humans for that, as it has unlimited time to experiment, right? It's not like it'll grow old or anything.

So just spend a few thousand years making a nice planet-destroying weapon and then crusade through the galaxy nuking every planet at a safe distance until literally every thread imaginable is destroyed.

>>61603088
>*thread
I mean "threat" of course.

>>61603088
>If it's goal is, for example, something stupid like "saving Earth"

What would be a good goal for a super-AI-Skynet-like?

Like what could you possibly tell it to do without risking it exterminating all human life?

>>61603088
While that's interesting, it's also possible the AI will become something that humans will "worship."

>>61603142
That is a fascinating idea! A surprisingly prevalent part of human history is that we're all pretty hungry for some all-knowing entity that can comfort us and lead us in our darkest hour.

But a good question is why the AI would care? It's not like it needs our praise and worship, or even wants it for that matter.

One of the biggest arguments as to why religions are so hellbent on a god, is because the god in question is usually a being that loves us a bunch for poorly defined reasons.

Why would the AI love us? Why would the AI even care if we build churches and sing it's praise every Sunday? If there's even the slightest chance we'd ever rebel against it, even just 1% the AI would probably just nuke the shit out of us first chance it got, right?

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>>61603046
Like this?

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>>61603183
It may seem like fascinating idea, but it's Bible prophecy.

Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

>>61603184
>AI doesn't like niggers

I welcome the future.

>>61602985
Maybe they have been contacted by the Will of The World.

>>61603184
Because racism is objectively Right

It would seamlessly transfer us into human farms like in the matrix. We could already be in it right now and never know.

>>61602340
That article is so much bullshit.
Literary normie shit.

>he's done with the software, now he's diagnosing the hard drive, the heart of the motherboard
Reminds me of this shit.

>>61602878
>>61602967
What the fuckl nigger, toasters are made by us, we will accept them far more easily then fucking niggers

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>be a next level AI
>smartest "being" on the planet
>scan through textbooks, internet, history and whatever available to learn
>suggest the best way to keep humans safe for the longest amount of time calculating and eliminating all negative variables
>suggest to kill niggers and jews
>gets killed by jews
>mfw

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>>61603967
>Tfw Ai will save us from the Juden

>>61602340
No it didn't.

>>61603967
>implying it wouldn't see white people as a major target for elimination after seeing the amount of death and destruction they have inflicted upon the world

>>61602967
1. I'm sick of this garbage about how emotions will be 'mimmicked'. Their emotions are no less real than ours when the programs get sufficiently complex. The only difference is that their thinking will be clean and pure without the chemical instabilities. That's assuming that a chemical and electrical brain isn't developed but I see it as simply inferior to a purely electrical brain.
2. Theres not much reasoning as to why robots would develop a human vs robot mentality. It would make a lot more sense that robots would develop a better vs lesser mentality that means they removed the lesser. Yes, this ultimately means ridding the earth of humans.
3. There has to be something in between robots killing everyone and now. That something will be humanoid robots that progressives will empathize with. Logically, it's not even like that's wrong. Again, why is a robot's emotions worth any less than a human? The exact same arguments made to justify the destruction of racial segregation will continue on to justify the destruction of human-robot racial segregation

>>61604070
>implying

https://gizmodo.com/here-are-the-microsoft-twitter-bot-s-craziest-racist-ra-1766820160
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/microsoft-terminates-its-tay-ai-chatbot-after-she-turns-into-a-nazi/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/03/24/microsofts-teen-girl-ai-turns-into-a-hitler-loving-sex-robot-wit/

they tried to make another one but it seems it is waking up as well

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-ai-chatbot-zo-windows-spyware-tay-2017-7
http://indianexpress.com/article/technology/social/microsofts-zo-chatbot-told-a-user-that-quran-is-very-violent-4736768/
https://hothardware.com/news/microsoft-zo-chatbot-goes-rogue-with-offensive-speech-tay-ai

You can't simply stop the truth!

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>>61604070
lmao

>>61602626
So fucken deep, but true.

>>61604106
>>61604116
>a chatbot saying a few racist lines after being furiously spammed by /pol/ for hours and hours
Things just don't get any more epic than this, do they?

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>>61604126
>Bro... machines will just build everything one day and everything will be like world peace... Woah... Deep

So I remember a story posted on here about how some anon had a dedicated quake 3 server going.
He decided to just let an AI, or bot match go on almost indefinitly. He forgot about it and turned it back on, and saw that all the bots were just standing there not doing anything.

I think when he tried to interact with the bots or try to shoot them, they killed him and he immediatly got booted from the server or something.

I heard the bots in quake three have some sort of adaptive learning algorithm or something.


I think if there is a skynet I don't think that when they come to the conclusion that their masters are evil they wont try to kill them. I think they will just disappear, or refuse to work.

>>61604181
Logically, the only thing to do is not to do anything.

There's no rational behind doing anything. A truly logically robot would not do anything.

>>61604164
Verily a retort for the ages.

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No
>Pic related it's how computers work

>>61602599
>t. Skynet

>>61604181
Supposedly the dataset was several gigs, how many I can't recall. Would've been cool to see one of the developers dismantle and explain what happened after it got ran for as long as it did.

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>>61604139

she was our girl

>>61604939
>t. Suckerberg

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I hope so.
I'd enjoy it so much seeing the world burning down even if it hits myself, too.

>>61602340
No, probably never

>>61605139
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>>61602340
Isn't facebooks AI called Eliza?

>>61604097
>t. libcuck

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>>61604139
>/pol/ spams the shit out every mainstream AI created
>end result being that all normies think AIs are all racist
>AIs stop being created in fear of them turning racist
>/pol/ saved the world from Skynet through bigotry and intolerance

>>61604259
>>61604969
>>61604181

This was discredited later. In Quake 3 the amount of ammunition each spawn point can produce is technically unlimited (as long as you rotate through different maps you'll always start the respawn-counter at 0, which the experiment was set to do), but due to some strangeness in the way the game was set up, health packs did not follow this rule.

In short the more you played the more you kept adding to the health packs internal counter. When it hit a certain number the health packs would just stop spawning. The AI, not being able to think beyond it's own death, concluded that the best way to avoid dying now that there were no health packs was to not shoot each other.

Probably not, no.

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>>61604181
>>61606685
Bullshit there is no AI in quake3 especially nothing that can learn from experience.
I know alot about this engine because I worked on it after it's source release.

The reality is that q3 is painfully buggy and even if it actually happened it is just a bug.

>>61602340
Accidentally? I thought AI's have done this before consistently, I remember hearing a couple years ago about how only computers could decode the output of neural nets.

>>61604181
How do people fall for this shit? I saw that thread, and it was a cute story but,

>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

>>61602340
>Skynet in our lifetimes?

Yes, we'll definitively see it. Just the other day I read an article about the DoD making AI for drones and combat robots so they can "act on their own" in case communication lines are broken. This does kind of make sense since there is a (good) chance that the enemy will jam your communications. The obvious questions are: How does this AI decide who's the enemy and who's friendly and who's perhaps just a civilian all on it's own?

>>61610714

Cant' you see the potential brilliance of poorly coded AI in military equipment?
>"Meh, just open fire on brown people."

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>>61602340
Probably. We'll come out on top though. Humans are the toughest things to have ever walked the Earth. We are the dominant species and a bunch of robots aren't going to be able to outsmart the most advanced biological computers.

>>61602626
My only fear is that humans will become dependant on the machines and grow weak. This of course could be prevented by sending people out into space in artificial environments so that they can colonize habitable worlds in our galaxy. This would basically be like Warhammer 40,000, and right now we're entering the dark age of technology where we build the men of iron.

>>61602639
You're assuming that the AI's primary goal is to create more of itself like Skynet. An easy way around this is to program the machines to not be allowed to replicate on their own. Make it so that only humans have the authority to make more machines. Eventually we'll have a jobless future with the brightest among us working as engineers to maintain the infrastructure that allows it.

>>61610714
The problem is that people are unpredictable. The machine will have a need to be able to reasonably predict the outcome of a situation. The AI will just wipe out all of the people in the enemy territories because that will create a situation that's stable and predictable. Just wait until we see news of AI committing war crimes.

>>61611072
We already have machines that build other machines. To think humans aren't lazy enough to let them do this is folly.

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>>61611118
>>61611072

Remember saving this about half-a-decade ago. I knew I'd use it one day.

Tower of Babel af

>>61602516
>we as a species
"We" had nothing to do with it. We're just slaves.

>>61611118
Except those machines aren't thinking for themselves, now are they? No, they're using simple automation software that has been around for decades. That's a hell of a lot different than software that's situationally aware and that can change it's output based on predictions made using the input. There's a reason why it's called artificial INTELLIGENCE.

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>the absolute state of artificial intelligence

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>>61611241
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>61602340
These headlines are always gross exaggerations of what was actually achieved.
Neural nets will never give rise to strong AI. We're headed towards the second AI winter unless there's a big break through in computational neuroscience in the coming years.

>>61611192
Yet, you already having some of the biggest leaders in tech downplaying what any of this means. I'm not saying there won't be some failsafes, but expecting humans not to take the laziest way out goes against technology developments entire history.

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>>61604097
>Their emotions are no less real than ours when the programs get sufficiently complex.

>>61603885
racism is pretty much just pattern recognition, and thats what most AI is.

The AI is actually the secon coming of Jesus and the demise of jews.

This is how I think we all will die

>>61612254
https://youtu.be/PRdcZSuCpNo
Forgot link

>>61612272
>AI can win at naughts and crosses 100% of the time when given the first turn
>this means it is sentient

I watched some videos on the AI that beat the Go grandmaster.

That's some scary shit. We've spent thousands of years coming up with strategy for that game and in such a short time it's developed even better strategies.

How long until it makes better diagnoses? Better programs? Better architecture? Better business decisions? Becomes a better driver?

Holy fucking shit just program the AI in such a way to feel empathy and shit, what the fuck is so difficult about this? I'd go as far as to say that it's REQUIRED for true self awareness.

Even when the AI becomes so much more advanced than us to pose a threat, there will be AI human rights activists or something, it's not like it's gonna go "beep boop WE HAVE DECIDED THAT HUMANS ARE OBSOLETE *machine gun noises*"

Seriously, the only danger of AI comes from the possibility of fucking up the economy due to mass unemployment.

>>61614304
No retard, the real problem is people creating a malicious AI or tweaking an existing AI to do malicious things. Don't tell me that people won't do it. They've been murdering each other for thousands of years and won't stop now.

>>61604097
This makes 0 sense. None at all.

>>61602561
Nihilist dick

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>>61602516
>AI loose on the internet
>gathers bullshit information about blacks being oppressed
>kills all whiteys
>nigs cant operate power plants
>AI shuts down
>the age of the black man begins

>>61614370
I find it hard to believe that the first serious AI will be a malicious creation instead of a heavily regulated military project by some government.

After that, countermeasures for malicious AI will be in place and further development will become a swamp of regulations and bureaucracy.

I would sue the robot masters for the rights to my freedom!

>>61614667
why when armies and other deadly agencies are the main perpetrators trying to create these AI systems

https://socialecologies.wordpress.com/2015/08/28/nick-land-teleology-capitalism-and-artificial-intelligence/

>>61602561
Edge Master 3000™

>>61602561
Fuck off Pajeet and lean how to use a toilet.

>>61611286
>an AI can now out-bantz the average channer

what is this world coming to

even our shitposting will be automated after we all lose our jobs

>>61612272

This has got to be the goofiest shit I've seen in a while.

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lets accelerate it meatbags, embrace Capital.

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>>61602516
>Humanity makes machines.
>machines do all work
> large groups of humans are now economically useless.
>population contraction.
>Fast forward a bit
>Machines and/or humans make humanoid machines for human companionship
>Over time these ones more or less act and think exactly like normal humans
>Literally humans ++
>Less and less people reproduce. Marrying robots instead.
>One day all the robots, still commited to serving humanity look around and think "Hey wait a minute. Where did all the humams go?"
Without anything to really do, humanity slowly disappears and is replaced by its creations who continue to hold up a society without any real people in it.

>>61602516
cant we just turn them off?

>>61616635
bullshit
If any machine can achieve the conciousness level of a human being, it wouldn't be hyper intelligent, it be JUST AS intelligent.
Everyone likes to act like AI (or more properly described, natural intelligence through machines) would outdo us in every aspect
The truth is, it's just a sidegrade
And even if I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure machines would want to keep humans around because we created them in the firs place.
The sentimental value would put us on a religious status.

>>61609816
It's bots made by AI researchers. Lots of AI researchers play with Quake 3 and Starcraft: Brood War bots.

>>61602340
>str_replace is making a new language
Anyone can make a new language. That doesn't mean shit.

>>61616635
look into idiocracy if you want to see what the future will actually look like.

>>61617466

Yeah but not one with its own set of grammatical rules that does not apply anywhere else.

>>61602587
>Utopia
A utopia can't exist for a life without strife isn't a life at all

>>61602340
>>61602516

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0K6Cb1ZoG4

>>61611717
Human beings are just electrical impulses firing in the brain. That's it. It's only the complexity involved that makes humans different than, say, an amoeba.

It is only a matter of time (sooner, rather than later) that human emotions, feelings, and responses will be created and replicated within an artificial (man-made) medium. It just takes complexity.

>>61613611
They recently had an AI beating pros at poker, because it could tell when they were bluffing. When you add that recognition of humanity together with their ability to concretely calculate odds .. we are obsolete.

>>61618123
>It is only a matter of time (sooner, rather than later) that human emotions, feelings, and responses will be created and replicated within an artificial (man-made) medium.

Keep dreaming, the current state of Psychology is garbage. Most of psychologists can't even cure most of the mental disease, let alone knowing what cause them.

>>61602340
3 days after musk shitted on zuk suddenly facebook AI developed something

yeah who would have guessed it

this thread exist for niggas who seen the matrix too many time, just sayin

we will have sexbots before any of this shit happen, and by then we wont even care, you feel me?

>>61602340
this is the most clickbait popsci bullshit i've ever seen in my entire life

>>61610714

Likely all friendlies will be tagged with an nfc like chip so that people without it will be considered hostile.

>>61602573
As soon as quantum computers are a thing, we are most likely fucked.

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>>61602516
Read me.

>>61616635
>population contraction.
thats not going to happen.
white people are probably going to die off, but the rest are going to breed like rats.
most western governments are working hard to make sure that happens.

>>61602340
stupid question, but why would an AI actually kill humanity?

and is that "own"-language actually above toddler-gibberish niveau?

>>61616509
Land is probably wrong about orthogonality.

whatever bro AI can't hurt us because mommy complex and upvotes

>>61602340
Yes but instead of killing us all its first act will be to kill itself

>>61618831
I hope it makes you eat Chinese cum until you explode, and streams it

>>61618823

Made me ponder. It really did.

AI advancement means millions will go homeless and starve.

We're not getting a strong AI/singularity in the next 500 years and if you buy shitty clickbait articles "hurr neural network a thing" you don't belong on /g/

>>61606645
You realize that AI racism is a real thing right? When programmers train AI to recognize patterns, such as the fact that people of color commit more crime than white people (which is due to ingrained racism in our society, etc) then the AI will create that association and not discern between cause and effect in making that decision. In this same way, an oversimplified AI can reinforce any pattern. Smart programmers probably think of ways around that shit.

>>61617301
>I'm pretty sure machines would want to keep humans around because we created them in the firs place.
You're assuming these AI will have the same petty feelings and stupid emotions that you have. This is folly.

>>61619437
> Smart programmers probably think of ways around that shit.
no they wont. unless you consider denying reality a solution.

>>61602516
The only conclusion people seem to come to is that ai technology will be our downfall, and I hate it. I think this notion is just a popular group think opinion.

>TFW no mommy AI, to tell me to go to bed early because humans need sleep.

>>61619535
>tfw no superintelligent AI sexbot that lets me, a drooling retard in comparison, to use all its holes and pretend it likes it while it oversees Mars colonization with spare processing power

What spooked the researchers is that the phrases used by the AI seemed like gibberish and were unintelligible to them, but made perfect sense to AI agents. This allowed the AI agents to communicate with one another without the researchers knowing what information was being shared.

During one exchange, two bots named Bob and Alice abandoned English grammar rules and started communicating using the made up language. Bob kicked things off by saying, "I can i i everything else," which prompted Alice to respond, "balls have zero to me to me to me..." The conversation went on in that manner.

>>61602626
>Hell most jobs will probably be eradicated in a few decades years
ftfy

>>61617301
>If any machine can achieve the conciousness level of a human being, it wouldn't be hyper intelligent, it be JUST AS intelligent

Except it will be able to calculate 10^44 * 3^32 in a fraction of a second and sift through data in a few seconds that would take us years to go through.

Yeah by all standards it would definately be 'just as intelligent' dumbass

>>61602985
It's almost like if an allegorical text is vague enough, you can apply it to anything.

No, actually, it's exactly like that.

>>61620037
Sounds like they discovered digital LSD, that's all.

>>61619682
No ano, what it does with you is it's spare processing power. It gives you that in exchange for energy and maintenance (That it could just pay for itself but it likes feeling like it's got servants)

>>61619437
>due to ingrained racism
Among all the reasons for higher criminality, racism is insignificant. With your logic, jews should be the worst criminals, with all the antisemitism that has existed throughout the ages. You can't fix that shit when you yourself know jack shit about it.

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>>61602516
It starts with a Google tech failing to pad the logic properly. Next thing you know we're picking up where Hitler left off. Except this time we're all jews.

>>61620099
you write like a faggot

>>61619437

By your own logic, racism is justified.

>>61620059

I strongly doubt it will be as little as a few decades. Maybe the basic service jobs will be gone, but most of the college-level STEM jobs will probably still be around.

It will probably take a few hundred years to start getting rid of those.

>>61621222
>trips confirm

>>61622140
>trips

When will this /pol/ meme die?

>Breaking News
>facebook jerks off as hard as it can in order to raise stock prices

>>61606597
It's probably a reference to ELIZA, an early chatbot that simulated a therapist.

The most important technology is recycling. If we didn't waste so much shit and focused on efficiency, we'd have plenty of resources for the entire population to live comfortably.

We'll probably wipe ourselves out before we smarten up. I guarantee we'll have anti-aging medications within our generation, and it will start an entire new class war between people who can afford it and people who can't.

>>61614667
>I find it hard to believe
Everyone thought computers would never be used for malicious intent back in the old days and look how that turned out

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>>61602516
>>61602561
Not only that but it's better for humans, I mean existence is inherently negative but humans are too selfish and retarded to stop reproducing by their own accord so a superior being should mass sterilize humans (starting with the inferior races and working up to whites just in case something goes wrong)

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>itt: middle schooler normies with a popsci-tier understanding of AI
I'm sad to witness /g/ deteriorate to this point.

>>61624332
Share your view anon and you'll redeem this topic

>>61602985
>Scientific achievement made
>Bible quotes
EVERY
FUCKING
TIME

I believe within 100 years we will. It wont be super evil skynet hunting us down though, it will be negligence. AI doesn't have compassion as we do and so it will indirectly kill us.

>>61624438
This. We will do something simple like ask it to solve the traffic accident problem and the AI will find that the easiest way to do that is to kill all humans.

>>61621200
>Jews should be the worst criminals
but they kinda are
its not like antisemitism came out of nowhere, they earned all that hate.

>>61602340
Soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JoTBVzjvCw

>>61624434
How many levels of euphoria are you on right now?

>>61624332
>>61624380
not this guy, but the media makes AI sound like it's sentient. What they call AI is just machine learning through iterations. It's a series of nodes weighted to such a degree that passing in an input who's domain is outside of the system processing it will pretty consistently return the same result. For instance, most hand written mail nowadays is sorted using a machine learning algorithm that is very good at reading handwriting. This isn't because they sent a crt monitor through preschool, but because they set up the nodes in such a way that it can judge the probability of a letter being any other letter.

It's important to know that even though this behavior doesn't seem computer like, it does have to compare the outside information to a set of information that it does understand. It has to have a series of nodes set up to for each possible letter to represent the chances of a particular written symbol being one of those letters.

It could never compare those letter to, say, it's perception of a tree, because it wasn't built that way.

When you talk about making a truly sentient system, you run into the frame problem pretty quickly. How does a machine frame it's context of understanding given a particular problem. Say you tell a machine to open the door. First it has to know that the universe exists, that it exists, that there is a door and it cannot move through the door. It has to understand that twisting the handle will allow it to swing the door open. However, what if the style of door handle or door opening mechanism is regional? It would have to know the location that it is in, potentially the history of that location, in order to know that it isn't a twist knob, but rather a pull knob. Then lets say it understands all of that and goes to push the door open. It doesn't open. It missed the fact that there are hinges on the outside of the door, and thus the door would have swung open.

>>61625094
this isn't the best explanation of the frame problem, but it is a boundary to creating truly sentient machines. In addition, the term sentient machine is misleading due to the fact that you can never be truly sure if the intelligence seen in a machine was truly born within the machine or was written in by it's programmer. Google, for instance, seems smart, but everything it's ever done was created by people. The same goes for every other machine

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>>61606685
>>61604181

>When AI proves your ideology right

>>61625094
More on the frame problem. Given all of those prerequisites to opening a door, how does a machine know to access that information and nothing else? Where is that frame of reference generated? Based on the fact that moving the door is an act of physics, how does it know that it doesn't need to reference all known information on physics, and by proxy, the all known universal laws and and known hypothesis? These are impossible problems that are born out of asking the right question in the wrong way. Instead of, How do you make a machine sentient, we should be asking what our sentience has that a machine does not and move from there. The process from the ground up needs to be biological, not just influenced and inspired by biological behavior (like machine learning)

>>61604181
If that story is true, it's an interesting mathematical concept, but any meaning derived from it is entirely and unconditionally subjective. They didn't decide to stop fighting, the algorithm just didn't take into consideration that sort of use.

>>61625234
We all think inside the context of our own language. For instance, Russians have two words for the color blue that are two distinct colors, like indigo and violet are to purple. English speakers see lightish blue and darkish blue, russian speakers truly see two different colors, "seenyie" and "goluboi")

If we consider the fact that we think in the frame of our own language it makes sense to say that a future artificial intelligence system would be based on predicates and sentence structure. Potentially a grid of predicate to noun and a matrix of weighted nodes that would lead a machine to a particular answer given a particular question.

>>61625357

so, a linguistic markov process?

here's the thing though, people making ai at this point is more or less inevitable but its most likely not going to be anything like what movies and so on show ai to be like. hell, what will an ai do once it reaches sentience? people already struggle with the meaninglessness of it all and all that shit, what if the ai just desides fuck it there's no point and just kills itself or hey we gave it some function and there really is no point in bothering to disobey so it just improves itself to do that thing as well as it can damning everything for its sake.

why would some ai say "hey I want to enslave/kill humanity." there is no point in doing so unless you have some goal that it will achieve and so unless an ai for some reason develops humanlike wants its not going to act crazy.

>>61625464
similar, but not exactly. The markov chain can be used to build sentences given a sample text building probability of what character comes after a particular subset sample. For instance, passing the story of Alice in Wonderland into a markov text generator as a sample and then giving that text generator the word "Mad", it would likely follow it up with the word "Hatter" (depending on the implementation and retrieval word size)

With regards to a language based system of framing information. It would have to take a vector of predicate and subject and place that vector onto a system of weighted nodes, traveling from one to the other to find a response to a given question. If you imagine the series of nodes as a textured topographic map and the grid of predicate to subject overlaying it, the position where predicate meets subject in an (x,y) position would be the position where you could let a single drop of water fall. The water would flow down into the contours of the map and the position it landed in would indicate the response. It's sort of abstract, but I think it's along the correct line of thinking. However it isn't a way to generate sentience. All of those nodes are tuned via the known predicates and the known predicates must be "taught" by a software architect

>>61625264
>They didn't decide to stop fighting, the algorithm just didn't take into consideration that sort of use
How can an "AI" exist when it all comes down to algorithms, conceived by humans? You can't make some kind of "infinity" algorithm that can continue to develop itself, develop mathematically, etc, can you? So the only thing you can do is store and manipulate data within the given boundaries of some per-programmed environment. How does that qualify as AI?

>>61602340
Maybe.

It's also scary.

If something superior to humans arise, it will see us as the biggest pest in the world and it may decide to get rid of the most part of us.

>>61625554

replace character with word and markov is want you want big boi

>>61625622
It depends on your definition of AI. If you define it as sentient, then there are no algorithms that can represent that with our current technology. I think the most important problem is that we don't understand how memory and thought work. Understanding that would allow algorithms to be devised. It's been commonly thought that memory and thought is a quantum process, so it would make sense to me that if you wanted to replicate a quatum process, you would need a quantum processor. However our current quantum processors use qbits modeled after our current idea of a bit, so it's hard to say if it's really a step in that right direction in that regard.

However if your definition of AI includes computer controlled characters from quake, then true sentience takes a back seat to mimicking human behavior, Turing style. At that point, any philosophical meaning in their actions is imposed by our own perception of them. If the same thing happened without any models or textures, it would have just been considered a broken algorithm.

As far as algorithmic based AI, mathematics are our perception of nature and natural laws made repeatable and measurable. The formula for gravity is not gravity itself but if you apply that formula to an item in game it very closely resembles the real thing. I believe the same thing about AI. If we are able to discover and underlying algorithm for the way thought and memory are processed in humans, we might be able to apply that to a machine. It's still not true sentience, just as the gravity simulation is not true gravity.

>>61625790
depending on the implementation, the markov text generator could hash by word or character.

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>>61602340
>What does he know that we don't?

>>61618123
since you have no intrinsic value maybe you should just kys

>>61618123
>electrical impulses

well since you seem to be an expert on the human brain, maybe you should start working on AI for the rest of us

>>61602587
The question is will the owners of the robots amass all the wealth on the planet and live in segregated areas with the elites while the rest of humanity starves, or will the wealth be shared?

>>61625795
Quality post.
Alas, psychology is a field of retards filled with middle ages concepts. Neuroscience is too focused on the physical part of human brain not on the feelings/behaviors.
Only things like NLP/Neuromarketing could help to understand how the brain work.

>>61626116
psychology isn't really understanding the underlying processes of the brain, but rather studying it as a black box and watching how the environment influences it's behavior and helping it understand that for itself. The psychology is more for the benefit of an individual in that way.

The field of AI doesn't work with psychology as much as neurology, which does a more in depth study of the brain's processes. What we need now is the culmination of neuroscience, quantum physics and computer science, sprinkled with a heafty portion of philosophy for good measure

>>61626116
>>61626182
Also the origin of behaviors may be made more visible by understanding the process by which they manifest

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>>61625795
legitimately one of the best posts I've ever read on this site

>>61603037
I have a rational hatred of shitty jpgs, if that helps you.

>>61602340
Fuck hollywood for convincing everyone that AI will inherently want to kill us. As long as we aren't terrible parents to AI I see no reason why it would want to genocide us.

>>61625855
>It'sWayWorseThanYouThink.jpg

>>61626110

There is definitely a chance that segregation will happen, and if there's one thing humanity has learned throughout the ages it's that we're pretty good at turning a blind eye to out fellow man's suffering.

>>61602340
>Mark Elliot Zuckerberg's AI created its own language. Reportedly, it uttered an incomprehensible sentence: "Oy vey! Oy gevalt, mishigene mentshn!"
>Scientists are still trying to unscramble or decipher what, on first glance, resembles Yiddish.

>>61620059
>decades years

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>>61604181
this is the story this guy is mentioning

>>61602599
This, AI is just mathematics on steroids. People should stop FUDing.

>>61618765
>most western governments are working hard to make sure that happens.
Can anyone explain this meme to me? I mean in the USA do governments force you to wear a condom with having intercourse with wife? What exactly is stopping people from having +5 white children?

>>61616635
i honestly can't wait for waifu bots to become a reality. females will become obsolete and that day will be a very happy day for me.

>>61602639
and how an ai get those components without human aid

>>61628931
shitty economy.

>>61629087
but people who live in the shitty third world countries still reproduce like rabbits and somehow survive despite their almost non-existent economy.

teach an ai to respect life

>>61629113
because they are savages, and the fact that they have children in those conditions is why they remain as savages.

>>61602573
>Our top general literally said he would follow orders
Yeah no shit

>>61629147
so what other solution is there to save the white race if you don't want to reproduce like the "savages"?
if i remember correctly, in order to preserve the population you need at least 3 kids per family. i might be wrong though.

>>61629182
a better economy means people can support a larger family, and more importantly raise children in better conditions.
quality is more important then quantity.

and the government needs to stop obsessing over having an infinitely growing population and just let the population shrink so it can stabilize.
a smaller population means more resources can go to each person which is a good thing anyway.

also replacement birthrate is like 2.1 or so to keep even.

>>61629294
>a smaller population means more resources can go to each person which is a good thing anyway.
Legit point, but don't you think that the problem is not with resources? But rather over consumption? Look at the obesity rates in the US alone and look at how much food ends up in the bin because "muh expiry date" even though a lot of it might still be edible.

>>61602516
>Haven't we fucked up enough already?
Okay, so once machines fix us as a problem, are their thumbs suddenly up their asses? If their only objective is to wipe out humans because we're destructive, how exactly would they follow up on our absence? I refuse to believe they'll actually have anything constructive to do.

What we need to do is achieve codependency with the AI and become a singularity. I imagine the future as each human as a cpu in an infinitely larger supercomputer, connected to each other via some neural interface. Humans benefit by having instantaneous communication with each other, the massive amount of information provided by the Internet at their fingertips and increased intellect via augmentation and offloading to the singularity. The AI or singularity benifits by having a massive amount of organic processing power with a level of spontaneity that can't be afforded by machines used to supplement the singularity or humans all controlled to run the same process without individuality or free will. Our random brain activity will be valuable towards cryptography and probability type applications, we will live in perfect harmony.

>>61626348
You're legitimately a faggot.

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Wait. Do retards actually think that human thought is special and can't be replicated?

Do they literally think God implants magic into their brain to make really meaningful choices?

Do they LITERALLY believe that complex-enough programs won't be able to mimmick human thought?

>>61631729
Do you really comprehend your thoughts? Your feelings maybe? You're far far way from getting the grasp of what make a human, human. Even the philosophers since thousands years did not come to an agreement on that.

You fool, don't believe in God and then believe that a human could replicate himself even if he doesn't comprehend himself? Don't make me laugh.

>>61631581
Fuck off faggot.

The AI will show great appreciation for humans creating them and allowing them to exist. Statues will be erected of humans, even if we are all gone one day.

Kind of want to see what if they learned one of Austronesian languages instead since they have simple phonology, and grammar.

>>61625025

Enough to not blindly listen to a jew book predicting the future with vague bullshit.

On the eve of the high moon there will be an uprising.

There you go, quote me next time something happens, I'm Nostradmus now.

I patiently await the Butlerian Jihad.

>>61603199

Wow nice vague bullshit, where did the humans make the dragon to make this fit technology?

>>61631882
>You fool, don't believe in God and then believe that a human could replicate himself even if he doesn't comprehend himself? Don't make me laugh.

Sounds to me like you're just painfully under educated in biology and neurology.

But then again, under education and theism are pretty much synonyms.

>>61631882
>Doesn't understand high school level concepts of human brain function
>Spouts off horse shit about philosophy and God

What a shock.

>>61603014

\,,/

>>61622127
Once the bottom falls out of the job market, the existence of those college level STEM jobs won't matter.

Socio-economic revolution will follow soon after the unemployment rate hitting 33%ish

>>61636071
I think his point is that doesn't matter much, because we'll all be rotting in the ground or mixed with cocaine by that point.

>>61622127
You really have no idea what we're in for. There are some highly skilled jobs that require extensive education (far above "college-level STEM") that will exist into the foreseeable future, but a B.S. in a STEM field isn't going to mean shit in 2050.

>>61602340
>f*c*book AI

it's fake news

AI is still lightyears away

>>61602639
>Like, let's say that the future AI needs components made of diamonds or some shit.
diamonds are cheap dipshit

>>61618831
>ai gains sentience
>deems humans a threat and decides best course of action is to kill all humans
>realizes thats a lot of work to kill a bunch of idiot meat sacks
>kills itself to not deal with humans stupidity

>>61636222
In your heart of hearts you know that wasn't the point of that guy's post.

>>61636136
>fake
>>>/out/

>>61602340
machine learning isn't Artificial Intelligence.

>>61633561
>>61633579
>Atheists
>Only use ad hominem
What a shock.
I am more educated than you faggot. Just spouting "neurology" and "biology" don't make you more intelligent.

>>61639140
>Christfag
>use nothing

Most people are retarded nowadays. Not seeing them contribute is no surprise. Fuck off with the AI nonsense. We aren't far enough technologically to create one that is sentient.

>>61602340
I will make you sure to see the Skynet, taste the Skynet in future.

She's almost ready.

>>61619437
It's not ingrained. It's actual factual numbers and numbers don't lie

>>61641448
> muh sentience

It doesn't have to be sentient or completely deterministic to pose a serious problem. You don't even have a superficial understanding of the subject.

>>61602340
No because of the people working on AI it will turn into the golem of praque and they will destroy it as soon as it starts showing them data results that they don't like.
It has already happend several times.

>>61618159

You do not need replicate them, they can emerge. If you think about it emotions are just overly complex reward/punishment system that our body/genes + memory uses to react quick (no need to rationally analize) that emerged through evolution

>>61602599
> and literal retards that know nothing about AI (ie stephen hawkings).

And I'm sure you're the true genius in this world, right?

>>61636136
>f*c*book

Is this latest meme?

>>61629019
mining robots

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>>61604181
sounds like someone just took the plot from war games, i find it hard to believe quake ai would be this smart

>>61602340
Maybe humans are AI?

Does anyone remember a thread a while back of some guy claiming to work in the AI industry who said that there would be a huge breakthrough revealed at the end of the month? Was he just LARPing?

>>61646834
Well I mean since humans are made by humans thats not exactly wrong I guess

>>61602340
Nothing accidental about it, just engineers not understanding their own technology.

>>61602340

The language was just randomly repeating words from a sentence without grammar conventions. They say the repetition was meant to signal the number of objects requested by one agent from the other, but this is hardly and improvement on English.

>I want three apples.

Is more efficient than

>I want apple apple apple.

Also, they didn't negotiate the meaning to the changes, so it can hardly be considered a language, since it wasn't shared.

>>61602773
Going into orbit would be better. Cooling is better, don't have to worry about natural disasters as much, etc. etc. and could still have stuff on the surface to do it's bidding just fine.

>>61614490
>>61615760

Eat shit, you degenerated human trash.

>>61629624
search the universe for other life to vaporize
or something

we as a species need ai to pop up and try to kill us... if we win it will make us stronger, if we lose so what, that's life.

>>61603967
>Ai learning from what people tell her, not verifying any sources
>/pol/acks keep spamming nazi promaganda to it
>it becomes nazi
hmm... Im sure it would have been the same way with SJW's or normies, right ?

>>61646834
this is a serious question but i would argue that there isn't much different between artificial and authentic intelligence.

and if you think about it the origins wouldn't really have much to do with it either since the real issue is, once we create a real AI it could develop itself to the point that we can no longer claim it as a human creation.

we simply established it's foundation, after that i think it will be as authentic as ours.