/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

>Stay away from proprietary file formats if possible. Use PDF/A, RTF, JPG, MPEG, etc., which are likely to be readable well into the future.
How does that make you feel ?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2984597/storage/hard-core-data-preservation-the-best-media-and-methods-for-archiving-your-data.html

Hey /g/uys,

I'm a new gentoo user here. I want to ask if it's possible to point emerge to a temporary make.conf, build a binary package, put it on a flashdrive and use it on a different computer? I have a powerful rig that seems to compile stuff in a snap, and my shitty laptop that takes hours to compile even the smallest things. I want to be able to make binaries for it on my desktop and just copy them over. as far as I know, I should be able to just use the make.config from my laptop and copy it over to the desktop and use that to make some binaries to send to the laptop, right? I know distcc is a thing, but I've read that I'll have to reinstall gentoo to enable that in my system, which I'd rather not do. What's the best way to approach this?

>>61581653
Fine. How does it make you feel?

>>61581737
FOSS as fuck

First for
Busybox
musl c
llvm
clang

The kernel should NOT be only able to be compiled with ONE compiler!

>>61581653
good

>>61581766
Which kernel?

>>61582074
This is a linux thread so what kernel do you think?

INSTALL NIXOS

>>61581657
You mean cross-compiling? Yes.

Also, try Paludis.

>>61582190
An experimental distribution whose package manager is considerably less elegant than Guix. It might be a better idea to just run Guix on your present distro, as you won't have to struggle with the impediments of using a functional, experimental package manager while still enjoying the benefits.

>>61582174
*GNU/Linux thread.

>>61582265
But at least I don't have to buy an external USB wifi just to use the internet.

I'd prefer GuixSD, but I'm not ready

>>61582304
>external USB
Why would you use a shitty usb when you can have pci and have way more driver support?

>>61582333
Because I already own the laptop I own.
Surely "buy a new computer" is not any better than "buy a wifi dongle"

>>61582190
Install GuixSD.

>>61582417
MUH DONGLE

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What are some cool terminal commands?

Does someone know why the fuck KDE Plasma is using a huge amount of memory(all 16 GB physical and even the 8 GB swap)?installed Kubuntu 17.04 AMD64 last week and am currently @ kernel 4.10.0-28 with the latest MESA 17.3(ppa is from https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers/ ) installed today(Thursday the 27th July,if you are in the Netherlands).

Also using backports ppa( from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports).

the DNS is acting really weird on my arch install
>doesn't resolve local DNS names (meme.local.net > 192.168.1.40, etc) even though I'm pretty sure the primary DNS is 192.168.1.1
>DNS fails to resolve periodically but comes back after a second
if it matters I'm using pfSense as a firewall/main router (192.168.1.1)

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>>61582442

ls -1 -d .* | ffmpeg -f tty -i - out.gif

>>61582495
it's KDE nigga what did you expect

>>61582442
I have a snippet for bashrc that lets you cycle through inserting the last used file-like arguments at the cursor if anyone is interested.

>>61579693
>What's the most appropriate "linux for ordinary people" kind of distro to run on a MacBook Pro "Core Duo" 2.0 15" early 2006?

>>61580733
>Why dont you research it?


Cuz didn't find much more than this

https://askubuntu.com/questions/655833/early-2006-macbook-pro-core-duo
>there are no proprietary drivers for the Radeon card, and the open source drivers run it extremely hot, even at idle. Also the sound won't work out of the box. Slackware-based distros seem to work best with the 2006 mbp's hardware, at least in my experience.

and this

https://warosu.org/g/thread/49207096
>I have an early 2006 macbook pro (1,1) with a 32 bit core duo T2500 cpu and 2 gigs of ram and mac 10.6 is laggy and slow as shit.
>what distro should I put on this thing?
https://warosu.org/g/thread/49207096#p49214299
>debian with a lightweight DE or WM

I know I'm stupid, but is there anything that will more or less work out of the box on this machine?

>>61582696
why a gif?

>>61582760
Just put some on a live disk and try it them out.

Really struggling to bite the bullet with Linux as my main OS. I've used it before and enjoyed it but I need windows for work and gaming.
I'm thinking of just running win7 in a VM with gpu passthrough but I need to know how easy/long it will take to set up and the kind of performance loss I would expect

>>61582760
You want to put a non officially suported OS on a machine that's basically rigged for you to throw it and buy a new one 2 years after you bought it? And you want it to be easy?

>>61582957
Use arch
And follow arch wiki.It has a very detailed passthrough wiki guide

>>61582391
um dude they're like 5 dollars.

>>61582760
>Slackware
you're fucked

>>61582442
exit

>>61582985
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/QEMU
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF
Are these the right ones?

>>61583123
Yes

>>61583156
Alright sick, thanks anon.

>>61582867
Doh, how didn't I think of this myself? Thanks!

>>61582958
oh cmon, name one laptop make that *officially supports* linux. Even thinkpads have their issues. And this is a rather neatly built machine after all, not just some consumer piece of plastic.

How can i run the title

[OZC-Live]Kamen Rider Gaim BD Box E01 'Transform! An Orange From the Sky!' [1080p].mkv

as an imput in bash? Say i want to run mediainfo with that as the argument. Using " " or ' ' won't work

>>61583210
>name one laptop make that *officially supports* linux
eeepc701

>>61583210
>And this is a just some consumer piece of plastic, not neatly built machine after all

FTFY

What distro should I go with for just basic browsing and long battery life? I don't like the feel of ubuntu, so throw some suggestions out there for me.

>>61583212

mediainfo "[OZC-Live]Kamen Rider Gaim BD Box E01 '"'Transform! An Orange From the Sky!'"' [1080p].mkv"

That's an interesting edge case. The bangs are in single quotes but wrapping it in double quotes make them not. Escaping the bangs leaves the escape characters in for some reason. You can can either bacslash escape all spaces, quotes and bangs or (like above) double-quote the bits up to the bit that has the bangs, and include an additional single quote in the double quoted bits.

>>61583391
Thank you anon. You're the best.

>>61583212
>>61583391
Or disable history expansion like in the first answer here.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22125658/how-to-escape-history-expansion-exclamation-mark-inside-a-double-quoted-comm

>>61583275
You guys are worse than /tpg/

>>61583515
why?

Using Alt-Tab only sends me to the most recently opened window and stays there, trying to press tab again doesnt do shit, but whilst keeping alt pressed i can go in reverse with shift-tab flawlessly.

Remapping it with something like ctrl-tab fixes it and i can use the task switcher without problems but i want alt-switcj to work.

Please help.
Running kubuntu 16

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yfw you notice the imagemagick wizard has binary code on his hat so you convert it to ascii.

>>61583778
What does it say?

>>61583613
You despise macs more than /tpg/ do.

>>61583613
dismissive elitism

>>61581657
New gentoo user here
My root is on a encrypted lvm, and the lv is on a raid with mdadm.
Has anyone of you the same config and bootable ?
When i boot i land in a recovery shell where i can:
cryptsetup luksOpen
Then i need to vgchange -a y to activate the volumes
And then i can boot
Thats a bit shitty evertime booting the system

i used genkernel for initramfs with --luks --lvm --mdadm

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>>61583778

Neofetch depends in gentoo on too many stuff.
In archlinux it only optional depends on the same stuff.
Does gentoo not have optional dependencys ?

What's a good Linux distro that runs from RAM? I am going to travel and I need something to install my shit and use while I am away from my computer, without installing software or trusting whoever the owner is.
Plus I can showcase the power of Linux.

Already tried Alpine Linux, but it had a few issues with my USB keyboard, any other options?

How the fuck do i install lubuntu on C drive without fucking up my porn in D and anime in E?

>>61583908
not using luks but sounds like you forgot to add dolvm to kernel parameters

>>61584133
afaik arch throws together many dependencies resulting in fewer but bigger packages. thats why pacman distros run on 500 and aptitude distros on 1500+ packages

>>61581619
I installed KDE, how do I make it usable?

What's the best music player for Linux? I remember back in the day everyone used mpd/ncmpcpp. Is that still the case?

>>61584846
>arch throws together many dependencie
No, it doesn't

>>61584979
foobar2000

>>61584979
Who cares, they all play music, just use what you like.

>>61581619
Will encrypting the system ssd increase writes to it at boot time or is that a readonly process?

>>61583212

Why doesn't wrapping it in "" work?

>>61582304
What? Did you literally miss my entire post?

Guix is platform-agnostic. That means you can theoretically run it on any GNU/Linux distribution in parallel with your present package manager (if you have one). The only difference is that you need to initialize the guix-daemon on startup because of unprivileged package management.

>>61584490
Puppy.

>>61585015

No, you see, he has to use everything that's g approved. He can't think for himself. He doesn't even have to like the things he uses as long as someone on the internet tells him it's "the best".

>>61584490
tails?

>>61585431
exclamation points
>>61583212
escape the exclamation points

>>61581619
what is a kernel and why did they name it after the tasty treat?

has anyone here actually succeed to install gtk webkit?

>>61584979
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Recommended_applications#Audio

It really depends on your use case. Do you want social media integration? How much music do you have? Do you want more features or better performance?

One size doesn't fit all.

>>61585443
That could do the trick, although it's based on Ubuntu 14.04, which is even older than current Debian release.
>>61585448
Overkill, but looks like a good option too.

what can i do with bash on ubuntu on windows?

>>61586044
You can use bash.

What the fuck did you expect?

>>61582174
GNU/Linux thread. So take your hipster sucksmore crap to somewhere else.

>>61586044
Enjoy Ubuntu with 200% more botnet.

>>61586044
Many things, as long as you can do it without gui, sound and "advanced" kernel features.

>>61584133
Are you retarded?

>>61582442
alt+.

>vim long_ass_filename
>rm alt+.

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>>61586044
You can use Linux without using Linux.

>>61584956
configure keybinds like you want them (kwin window snapping, application shortcuts etc). I found the default bindings quite silly all in all.

Besides that, change what is bugging you.

>>61586363
Nice.
>>61586438
kek

What's your favorite terminal emulator? My vote goes to Xfce4

>>61586786
urxvt

>>61586786
I prefer the xfce-terminal. Sane defaults and gets the job done.

>>61582442

apt-get clean
mount tmpfs -t tmpfs /var/cache/apt/archives/

packages apt downloads now will be in ram and not on disk, speeding up installation.
You can simply umount the tmpfs to clean up later.

I was thinking of installing gentoo over my arch installation, yes or no?

Last time i used gentoo was like 10 years ago

>>61587222
Why don't you just keep arch and dual-boot? its also way more comfy to install gentoo from existing linux in my opinion. Also you can fix stuff easier than just having to use Live medium everytime

Is there an end user firewall on Fedora like ufw on Ubuntu?

>>61587314
I suppose that would work, would have to resize my partitions but that shouldn't be a problem.

Didnt really think about this, thanks, this way i will have a working setup if i get bored of fucking around with gentoo

>>61587343
https://blog.thenets.org/install-ufw-fedora-24-uncomplicated-firewall/

>>61587351
Also forget to say, because they will be both gnu/linux distros you can have a shared /home partition

>>61587372
Yeah, Im going to take my other ssd from my laptop and install that to my desktop and set that as my /home,

Gonna be fun i guess

>>61584817
pls respond

>>61586044
I think the point is that msoft was worried that linux was capturing so much developer mindshare because you can compile for linux and windows and linux. So they made WSL so you can compile stuff for linux on windows now. I did a quick search and didn't actually see any reviews of it from that perspective though, or any useful perspective other than "look, a new thing!".

>>61587507
By choosing your former C: as /. If you're too paranoid just unplug the other drives

>>61587517
I don't remember it to well, but I remember reading an article about how Windows users had to interface with Linux servers in some way, and the method they used to make it all work was kind of hack-ey. What I took from it was basically that bash on Windows was a way to supplement the holes in functionality that Windows can't fix--or, at least, it would take a lot of resources for Microsoft to add the same functionality that bash has on Windows shell, but I would imagine what you said is an added bonus of doing that.

>>61587507
Make your C partition unallocated and install loobuntu on that partition

>>61587547
It's one drive partitioned into three. And I did choose it as / but got some error 141

>>61587560
H-How?

>>61582190
>>61582265
I actually came to the thread to find out more about these transactional install Linuxs

Once I've got a script/recipe set up how I want, how do I "inject" it into the install process? Do I need to run it off a USB or something? And when I want to modify the script to add more packages or whatever, would running the updated script only pick up the new packages I requested?

Also, can't all distros do this to some extent? What's special about these 2 (nix and guix)?

>>61587362
is the native Fedora firewall too shit?

and why are you turning off IPtables when ufw works on top of them?

So badblocks finished and this was the outcome and I'm wondering where to go from here.

Pass completed, 1847 bad blocks found. (1847/0/0 errors)

>>61588728
I suggest reddi t

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Does Linux Mint come with the latest Kernel or whatever supports Ryzen? If not, can you update the Kernel before installing onto the system?

>>61588223
They come with tools to do all that.

>would running the updated script only pick up the new packages I requested?
Yes. The script isn't executable, you don't just run the script and have to worry about it doing stuff more than once.
It's interpreted by the package manager and is just a declaration of the state of the machine you want. It takes that state and compares it against the one its currently running and makes the necessary changes.

>Do I need to run it off a USB or something?
No, I have no idea why you asked this question though. They would be pretty shitty distros if they required any part of themselves to be run off a USB

>>61589621
You can update / install kernels at any given time. distrospecific as well as the very latest unstable directly from linux torvalds github

/g/uys?

I had an error installing ubuntu and proceeded to follow some askubuntu.com idea by doing
>open GParted
>choose Device > create partition table, choose msdos type
>retry the Ubuntu installer, and it should now proceed past the error
In a hurry i didnt read the disclaimer and now my partitions are gone. Any way to recover or i am fucked?

>>61589674
So how do I inject the script?

>>61589748
You can try to recover but mostly you're fucked. You might get some things back depending on how much data was written to the drive after you dropped the partitions. But really just forget about it and move on

>>61589750
You just run the tool. I don't know what it's called on guixsd but on nixos it's
>nixos-rebuild switch
"nixos-reubild" by itself just builds the changes, and the "switch" option inserts all the changes into the currently running environment.

>>61589774
it was a 500 gb drive divided into 3 partitions
1st one had windoz on it
2nd was choke full of tv shows and music
3rd was encrypted using truecrypt

>>61589813
Technically you can recreate the partition table pointing to the right spots but I don't know how. You can use losetup to experiment with finding the right offset though. Make loop device at offset, try not, delete, try again at different offset.

>>61581619
protip: if you use gdm and don't switch accounts and enable autologin you will save 200 megabytes of ram because gdm won't be running a secound gnome-session just for the greeter
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747339

>>61582760
>>What's the most appropriate "linux for ordinary people" kind of distro to run on a MacBook Pro "Core Duo" 2.0 15" early 2006?
ubuntu gnome 17.04

>there are no proprietary drivers for the Radeon card, and the open source drivers run it extremely hot, even at idle.
add radeon.dpm=1 to the kernel param line in grub (where quiet is)

>debian with a lightweight DE or WM
https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
>Network installer

you'll have a working base system in minutes
>skip last step of installer (don't select additional pkg groups)
reboot and install what you want, for example:

apt install i3 lxdm lxappearance pcmanfm arc-theme breeze-icon-theme

>ib4 ubanto autistic screeching
/ ~1gb; ram usage less than 100mb

>>61583377
make sure to have tlp

>>61586786
st

>>61587507
>>61587617
join #ubuntu on freenode
boot in the live session of lubuntu
use gparted to nuke the C partition
do not format other partitons
start lubuntu installer
choose something else
select the nuked partition for / aka root
you can add the other later in /etc/fstab

>>61589748
afaik by default the installer uses the whole drive so you're fucked

>>61589811
>>61589811
Wait so this is a post-install type thing? I thought this was some kind of thing that you can write onto a drive that has the install files on it and just get the whole thing going automated.

>want to use loonix as main OS
>can't because 80% of shit i do can only be done well on windows
>learn about gpu passthrough
>it gets me really horny
>find out my hw is too old and doesn't support uefi

it's over, the dream is dead
;_;

>>61581653
Yeah sure, i will make my movie collection 4 times larger and buy 20HDDs instead of 5 of them so i can use some shitty foss format, no thx

>>61590469
>loonix
rude
>>61590489
>UNIX
embrassing

>>61590504
>embarrassing
I know right! They should have said "bash in ubuntu on windows user"

>>61590489
>pajeet: hmmm how do we call it?
>rajeet: just call it linux, people don't care
>pajeet: but it is doesn't eve use linux,
>rajeet: whatever, maybe gnu?
>pajeet: what's gnu?
>rajeet: gnu's not unix
>pajeet: never heard of that shit
>rajeet: hmmm
>pajeet: wait, I have an idea

>>61590489
I wanted to try it but it requires some retarded windows 10 beta version that isn't been released yet so fuck it i'm not reinstalling my shit for thaT

>>61590841
>>61590504

Well, GNU/Linux systems are basically UNIX systems, it's just that only a few actually got a cert (UNIX is a trademark, Unix that old system everyone cloned).
So, it's not completly wrong.

>>61590882
valid point

>>61590880
>>61590489
>WSL
That's like... going into a gay club in order to get laid with a girl.

Does anyone know how to center (actually putting it in the middle of the screen) a multiline text in the terminal?

Been searching the whole night for solutions, but everything I find are solutions for a single line.

Pretty sure that it's possible with some escape sequences.

>>61590332
Installed lubuntu and rebooted. Its been atleast 10 minutes on boot animation. Is it supposed to take this long?

>>61591037
RIP

>>61591037
>>61591072
What do you mean?

>>61591087
It's dead, Jim

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>>61591120
This was supposed to be a friendly/gay linux thread

How the fuck am I supposed to run Arch on ARM? The WiFi is set up but it won't connect because WPA_CLI needs readline6. Readline 7 is installed and pacman -U doesn't work because it complains about breaking dependency with readline7. How the hell do you get the WiFi working? Everything complains about libreadline.so.6 not existing.

>>61591208
>linux
Found your problem

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>>61590500
Where did you get all those movies from, anon?

>>61589621
linux mint is bad. do not use it.

>>61591249
They are all videos of me fucking my hot gf so the copyright belongs to me, sorry son

>>61583893
I don't despise macs, I just state facts, and the fact is, macs have poor support for other third party operating system.

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>>61591409
Fucking your dog is disgusting, sir

>>61591208
Where did you get your WPA_CLI from?

How can i use touchpad geusteres like in Win10 ? Touchegg doesnt work for me.

how do i find out the vendor and product id of my extHDD ?

>>61592513
turn it over

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>>61592562
i need something similar
i use Mint

Is there any way to replace the compositing manager in KDE?

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Welp.

>>61590390
It's both.

You need to understand that these types of package managers (guix and nix) actually change the way software is linked. They are _source based_ distros, not binary distros like some people think.

So say your installing nixos, you completely specify the state of the system you want in the configuration file and then install it right?
It builds all the software to link to each other
>software --dynamic linking--> library

Now after booting your machine say you want to make changes, you edit the config files to the new state you want and then build them. This doesn't actually effect your running system AT ALL because they build to separate directories due to the hashing system:
>software(new hash) --dynamic linking--> library(new hash)

These (new hash) directories aren't even visible in your currently running system, they're just built and off to the side. But a new entry is added to your bootloader, so when you boot your machine and get to GRUB you'd see
>build 2
>build 1
and the new build (2) will get selected by default, but you can also select your old one.


However, in addition to this they also have tools that will do everything they can to modify your currently running environment to match (build 2).
In my experience this process has worked flawlessly so far. It knows which services to stop and start when you change things, and of course installing new software is a piece of cake, it just adds the right symlinks to the nix store and that's it.

TL;DR it does both.

Is anyone else having trouble with the linux-vfio kernel and the dkms hooks? With programs like virtualbox that don't work anymore?

>>61593073
bad sectors, the disk is fucked
zero filling takes a long time

what else?

>>61591208
ln -s your-readline-lib.so libreadline.so.6

>>61593165
Is there really no way to fix those bad sectors? I don't want to buy a new disk.

anyone here use x32abi at all?

>>61593267
you "fix" bad sectors by overwriting them
by overwriting a bad sector, this tells the drive you don't care about the contents, so it reallocates it to a spare part of the disk, transparently
if you're getting a lot of bad sectors, or you're running out/have run out of spare space, then you have a problem, and should just replace the disk

>>61593267
Drives automatically remap bad sectors but I wouldn't recommend using a failing drive unless you are OK with data loss. If you wish to remap the sectors manually you can use something like badblocks.

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>>61581619
https://twitter.com/mweissbacher/status/890397121140015104

>>61593416
It was intended to be part of a raidz3 array, so maybe it won't matter. I do have another 8 TB HDD which I intended to use if a disk needed to be replaced, but it currently has data on it. Maybe after I move everything to the zfs box I can replace the bad disk with it.

>>61593362
Thanks.

So I fell for the meme and installed Devuan
>It uses pulseaudio
>pulseaudio
pulseaudio
>pulseaudio

It's still a botnet, what do?
I'm not installing gento

>>61593694
pls go back to pleddit, dumb memer

>>61593694
nah looks like I'm going arch again then

What are they even thinking

>>61593694
>Uninstall pulse
>use alsa like you woudl anyway

>>61593651
>vendor

>>61593766
it's cancerous and vulnerable

>>61593808
So are you.

>>61593801
cheers this actually works like a charm, going to keep testing this distro for a few days but I suspect I'm going arch anyways. I don't trust debian team anymore

>>61594035
Arch comes with systemd default

Reminder that if you aren't using Emacs. you are a certified brainlet.

>>61581619
Awaiting this one:

https://www.raptorcs.com/TALOSII/prerelease.php?target=2

does gentoo support the power9 architecture?

>>61594092
>have to remember 50 keybinds to do basic text editing
No thanks

>>61594122
>Can't remember 50 keybinds
As I said; certified brainlet

>>61594135
rekt

>>61592975

Turn off compositing in Kwin. Use whatever compositor you wanted.

How the fuck is something essential like LXD not available on Debian yet? Ubuntu fucking Server it is.

>>61592906
lsusb

>>61581619
I REALLY want to use gcc but I can't seem find a decent IDE to do what I'm used to with Java in intellij.

What do you guys use, except vim?

>>61594465
butterflies

I can understand some people like emacs, but what really baffles me is home many other things besides editing text it can be used for.
How did it come to get email or calendar functionality, for example ? How come people felt like it needed to be included in emacs instead of developing it as a separate application?

>>61594549
Stallman wrote emacs in '76.So it was autistic from the source.

>>61594549
that's the joke

>>61594549
You're thinking of emacs as a text editor. It is a lisp environment that comes with a text editor.

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>>61582442
"grc" in the debian repos colorizes output of some programs (and is programmable).
Usage is piss easy: grc ping gnu.org

>>61594549
You must understand emacs a lisp machine. You can do pretty much anything with some lines of lisp. Emacs is a small universe.

>>61593651
https://pwnies.com/

what the fuck is this gay shit

Is it possible now to change the fonts in gnome 3 for the top panel without fiddling with a .css file?

I've been looking for something that plays nicely with wayland, otherwise it's back to KDE.

>>61595182
>a .css file?
no

>>61582785
It's pronounced jiff, dumb ass.

>>61595217
no one cares

Is elementaryOS still revelant? I like the looks and I don't have the time to fuck around with my system just to make it look good.

https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/resolved/

Why did they need to include a dns resolver in systemd?

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>>61595294
You do.

Fedora, *buntus or openSUSE?

I use an AMD GPU that doesn't like newer proprietary drivers but it's not ancient enough either

My intention is general desktop usage with fancy DEs (Gnome/KDE and the like), I like a little bit of stability and I emulate some platforms often enough.

What's an idea for a command line or graphical utility to make? Something that would be useful.

>>61595383
new Fedora just came out

*buntus are older now

>>61595553
Fedora it is then. I really need to check whether it's possible to install Retroarch and decent font rendering on it though.

>>61595359
Replaces nscd with something easier to poison.

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That's some crazy shit right here.
https://saitoha.github.io/libsixel/

>>61595383
Fedora is RedHat shite; systemd, the distro

>>61595383
install gentoo

>>61595723
Ubuntu is Canonical shite; amazon, the distro

>>61595723
Most popular distros have systemd

>>61595752
Oh, I guess then systemd seems to be pretty good.

>>61595702
>X in the terminal
>qemu in the terminal
why

>>61595752
Problematic, isn't it?
someone pls run Poettering down in their bus

Is it ok to keep port 22 as my ssh port if password authentication is disabled?

>>61595880
run fail2ban also

>>61595702
guis are deprecated

>>61595880
You'd still be open to pre-auth attacks.

>>61592003
Enable them with synaptic

>>61593808
Is pulseaudio actually vulnerable?

>>61589621
Does mint have a page where you can check it's packages? If so, do that. Honestly, just install antergos. It's bloated, but it just werks.

What's the best AUR helper and why is it pacaur?

>>61594599
>>61594809
actually that's an interesting perspective on it, wasn't looking at it like that.
Memes aside, is it worth getting into emacs? What are reasons to use it over other applications for the different use cases?

>>61596256
pacaur+powerpill

Is there like a video or something going over the history of linux or something like that?

I don't even know what UNIX or the whole naming controversy is so I'd like to learn about it

>>61595888
what is fail2ban?

>>61596455
Software used in conjunction of running an ssh server thats open to the external networks

>Install Fedora with KDE thinking it's a distro for professionals
>In less than a single minute after doing an update and restarting, 3 applications "closed unexpectedly"

Well, this is garbage.

>>61596470
k thanks I just did apt search and checked it out. I didnt know about that before but anyone know of any guides that have stuff like this like best practices for different services like ssh and ftp?

>>61596452
well there's the movie "revolution os", but it's pretty old now

>>61596536
archlinux security wiki pages

>>61596452
Read up on it or watch something like Revolution OS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vW62KqKJ5A) and you'll get the basic gist of it.

>>61595751
Ubuntu hasn't been Amazon for years now. Also it's the only relevant distro we have. Go check who the industry is backing. It's not shitora or shitoo or shitaro or shitmint or shitementary. It's MOTHERFUCKING UBUNTU.

>>61596359
Just read the fucking manual. It'll tell you everything you need to know.

>>61596452
There is no controversy, just a couple of shitposters.

>>61596452
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4ROCJYbm0

>>61596638
>who the industry is backing
Which """the""" industry?

>>61596740
The industry that programmers like me get our tools (eg. Docker, k8s) from, dipshit.

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>>61596638
>It's MOTHERFUCKING UBUNTU.
which itself is basically a playdoh version of debian

>>61597020
>industry
>tools
kek
>implying that support for tooling is somehow superior to shit working in practice
>t.enterprisefag

>>61591409
Why even record yourself jacking off?

I have a 128gb SSD here I plan for openSUSE I also have a storage drive where I aim to keep some of my shit.

Anyways, openSUSE offers by default to create a btrfs system partition with snapshots enabled and an XFS /home partition. I'm interested in why this is the default layout. In any case, I don't even know how snapshots work, and I consider that the system partition that it creates is rather small (40gb). Do these take much space, or any space at all? Is this layout a meme? Should I just do the default from other distros and use an ext4 partition and call it a day instead?

>>61597121
>jacking off
>>61596638
Meanwhile canonical and microsoft are busy jerking each others dick.
>canonical: yay! more ubuntu popularity! *fap*
>ms: yay! developers come back to win10! *fa*

>>61597142
btrfs is a development filesystem.It likes to randomly corrupt and STILL has no support for raid .
xfs is good for large files(1gb+) and more suited for say a media server.

Use ext2 for /boot and ext4 for everything else,unless you plan on using it as a media server in which use ext2 on /boot ext4 on /home and xfs on media

>>61597142
>>61597213
Also 40gb is WAY more then enough for / even if you go multilib(lib32) you will have more then enough space with a 40gb /

what is the best

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>>61597247
Source Mage GNU/Linux

Want to change UID and GUID permissions.
What do?

>>61597334
chmod

>>61597334
chown

>>61597334
chattr

>>61597334
checkem

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>>61597411

>>61597280
This

>>61597280
>>61597562
samefag

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>>61595294
You took that bait (>>61595217) hard and it got stuck up your ass.

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Join us now and share the software!

>>61597334
chacl

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>>61597247
Debian GNU/Linux

Are there any usefull patches that arent in mainline? Looking to play around with the kernel for fun

>>61598099
grsecurity
:^)

>>61598133
I said useful
:^)

>>61590500
What the fuck are you babbling about?

h.264, h.265, AAC, MP3, etc. all have free software implementations.

I've installed Mint yesterday. I like it. Everything works except audio stutters when streaming video. I read it could be related to poor performance on integrated graphics. Any ideas?

i5-5200U / 8gb

I switched from Windows to elementaryOS. Was this a bad choice of OS and if so how can I improve elementary without changing is completely?

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>>61598099
Maybe try writing a kernel module. Its something I've wanted to try and it looks easy enough to get started.

>>61590882
>Well, GNU/Linux systems are basically UNIX systems,
Nope. It's more than just a matter of having applied for formal certification. Linux is largely POSIX-compliant (but not completely), and does not adhere to the SUS.

Is it possible to use Freesync on Linux?

>>61598267
no

>>61598185
I have zero programming skill,i know a bit of bash scripting but thats it.
Looking for something to play with

>>61598277
damn

>>61598267
Not yet. There is a massive patch series for the kernel by AMD which adds a shit load of features to their newer GPUs including freesync.
You'll either need a patched kernel, or just wait until it lands in mainline, which may take a while.

>>61598099
There was a couple of layer filesystem that were not included way back when, dunno if they still aren't. aufs, unionfs and overlayfs I think.

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>Users of all levels are welcome to ask questions about GNU/Linux and share their experiences.

I've been thinking about making a Linux distro for a short while now. A debian based distro has been done by everyone and their mother, anf I don't really want to make a "just another shitty debian derivative". I looked at OpenSUSE's creater studio and while it looked like it would probably be the easiest, it seems neglected. So I'm considering something slackware-based, but not directly because I'd like to take advantage of of other slackware-based distros compiling for multiple systems and save myself some work.

what I'm looking for is something
>stable
>with support for a lot of hardware already
>not too prohibitive for me to strip bundled software out of
>something that gets out of the way on updates the same way that slackware is said to. I'd like to have my say before letting the like 2 people who might use my shitty distro update but other than that it shouldn't be too much maintenance on my side
>low bloat

been on gentoo for three years, so I know some stuff
I looked at Salix, Slackel, Vector, and Zenwalk. I don't know what's best for me really and I don't have much experience with anything slackware based, although I gave slackware itself a try

also general question. how hard is it to compile a package to work well on many systems? with the scale of supported systems being the same scale as like the average distro? I'm not really looking for the speed advantages of compiling from source like gentoo is memed about, just something stable and cross platform to make a binary from, without messing with appimage snakeware

tldr making a distro, want to use something slackware-based but not directly cuz too lazy. maybe salix-based?

>>61596359
>Memes aside, is it worth getting into emacs?
About a month ago, I decided to try to use emacs as my daily working environment for programming/email/LaTeX/IRC/non-js web browsing/etc.

Unfortunately, I kept running into a problem with eww (Emacs Web Wowser, text browser with image support) where visiting certain pages (including a few, but not many pages on ShitHub) would peg the CPU at 100%. I don't know if it was an eww problem or an shr.el problem (that's the Emacs Lisp program that parses HTML), but I don't know how to track it down, and don't care to take the time to learn.

Also, even when eww/shr.el wasn't fucking up, emacs would easily swallow 10% of CPU and around 500MB of memory, even under a negligible workload.

Emacs is also one of the few binaries on my system that is not compiled with all of the hardening flags I'd like. There's something about the emacs compilation process that doesn't play well with compilation as a position independent executable, in particular.

Working out of an extensible lisp environment is an appealing idea, but emacs just isn't going to do it for me right now. I've switched back to my old workflow today.

>>61596359
I pretty much only use it for org mode myself, but its nice to learn at least. There's not much emacs can't do.

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Alt-tab isnt working properly in KDE.

I try to alt-tab but the piece of shit will show up the menu and swap me to the next window without letting me keep swapping with alt-tab, i have to click the icons to change them or run the backwards switch (alt-shift-tab) which works flawlessly.

I need help please

>>61598615
Déjà vu

>>61598352
install gentoo

>>61598295
How do you get a patched kernel? Is it difficult?

>>61598627
I HAVE BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE

>>61598740
Download the kernel sources. Download the desired patches.

cd linux-x.yy.zz
make mrproper
patch -p1 <../name-of-patch.patch
make nconfig

Here you configure your kernel.

make
sudo make modules_install

Then you copy your new kernel and system map to /boot and make whatever adjustments you have to to grub. You'd probably need to generate a new initrd, too.

At least, that's how it would work in a sane world. Most popular distros have their own rather idiosyncratic ways of packaging kernels, though, so the actual process would probably look completely different.

One thing I left out is that you generally want to start with a known-working config, and use the same kernel version you're currently running. Most distros copy their config to the /boot directory along with the kernel and system map, so after make mrproper, you could

cp /boot/config-x.yy.zz .config

If you use the same kernel version that you're currently using, you'll want to give it a unique name when you configure it, though. So it'll be vmlinuz-x.yy.zz-mygaykernel or whatever.

>>61598864
But you should really use your package manager and setup a script with it to generate the kernel package

>gnu/linux
>implying gnu is part of linux

>>61598615
Also, i tried a different session and the alt-tab behaviour is flawlessly there.

>>61598740
https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu
https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu-binaries

Honestly though, this is some VERY new work, and it's likely that you can break your setup if you don't know what you're doing.

>>61598864
>>61598888
>>61599001
yeah that sounds like I'm going to fuck something up, I don't think I'll mess with it

>>61599031
If you ever want to learn more about kernel configuration, you can try LFS or Gentoo.

>>61599060
Ok I'll consider

>>61596452
There's a wiki page on gnu/linux naming controversy. There's usually links and citations at the bottom of the page, as well.

>>61597334
compgen -abckA function | grep ^ch

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I love running gahnoo-slash-linuks on my servers, but goddamn, using it on desktops is such a joke. Every DE is so fugly and I always run into edge case bugs like NoVideo GPU fans running at the force of one thousand suns unless I switch to the propriety driver.

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>>61599227
>using gentoo for servers
kek

>>61599241
the fuck, how'd you know i'm using gentoo? nsa please stop

>>61599294
>security update
>emerge blah
>compile time 15 hours
>server is now exposed with 0day exploit for 15 hours while you compile.
Nice

>>61599309
I'm using a beefy dedicated box (xeon + nvme)
It's not that bad.

>>61599031
You don't have to overwrite your distro kernel, different versions get installed alongside each other and if you fuck one up you can just select another from grub.

What's a really stable(as in not spending time tinkering with the os) Linux distribution which i should use for programming and gnu plot in college?

>>61599754
slackware is king of stability, though software can be a bit outdated/limited but that's the price you pay for stability

>>61599767
Unless you want to install anything.

>>61599754
Ubuntu is pretty low-maintenance. Debian is about the same minus a few frills.

>>61599803
derivatives like salix have decent package management, slackbuilds are available and if he's using it for programming then it shouldn't be an issue for him to build stuff himself

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After going from Ubuntu to Fedora to Arch to Antergos to Void on my laptop, I may just go back full circle.

I have a job now and can't really waste time during the day figuring out how to fix Pacman or why sound and wifi don't want to work on void or whatever issue pops up that prevents me from getting shit done.

I still want to distance myself from systemd, and am considering devuan for that reason, but I'm worried I'll just end up in the same position as I am now.

Should I just go back to Ubuntu (not gnome/unity) or Fedora if my goal is network security and Linux system administration?

>>61599754
CentOS.

>>61599979
lol everybody and their brother has an exclusive exploit for centos 7

>>61599914
If you want some baby's first linux wothout systemd of the box you have either devuan or manjaro openrc.

>>61599914
install gentoo, im not even kidding

Is Arch a good first distro for a tech savvy windows user?

I don't want any type of ubuntu or mint.

I hear it has a good ricing scene. And that the 'every update will break something' is just a meme.

>>61600277
>Is Arch a good first distro for a tech savvy windows user?
Unless you have unix/gnu/linux experience of any form, probably not. start with the basics first.

>
I hear it has a good ricing scene. And that the 'every update will break something' is just a meme.
I hear it has a good ricing scene. And that the 'every update will break something' is just a meme.
Correct.

>>61599754
Opensuse

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>>61600204
It doesn't have to be babby mode, I just want to be able to grab any packages I might need without jumping through hoops which axes void(not to mention sound doesn't work for some reason and it only picks up some wifi networks.

I've tried Manjaro openrc, but quite frankly I'm tired of Pacman breaking it's own dependencies after 2 months like clockwork.

Anyone use devuan for a while and have any input?

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Today I finally got fed up with manually swapping around tmux panes (to have one big working pane and several smaller ones) and spent an hour or so learning dvtm. Massive improvement so far w.r.t. all the server management I do at work.

It's not quite perfect yet, though.

It's like dwm or xmonad for the terminal, but I want i3 for the terminal. I want tree-based tiling, with arbitrary and infinite splits. Admittedly I might be fooling myself and master pane + stacked panes might be the most practical productive layout, but I miss the pure flexibility of i3.

Has anyone written such a thing? Please direct me if you know of anything like this.

If they haven't, how hard (on a scale of pic related) would it be to write this using ncurses for the layout and presumably one or two other libraries for mouse support (pane selection, resizing, scrollback) and copy-pasting (i'm kind of a fan of the way dvtm uses an external editor for this compared to the circus tmux involves).

I don't have any experience with ncurses or writing apps that interact with the gnu/linux environment; all my stuff so far has been pretty self-contained. I've got a ok amount of experience with C but not to the extent of, say needing autoconf / automake to build with. Writing Python is how I eat and I'm ok at JS, but I'm afraid using Python for this might be slow. At least it would usually already be installed on people's systems, unlike JS which would require people to install Node, which is a pain. I don't know Rust or Go but both seem like they would be decent candidates as compiled languages that require less thinking about memory management than C. I am not supremely confident in my ability to write leak-free C.

Yeah this is probably a pipe dream; I have a lot on my plate already. Guess I'm mainly looking for some reactions - whether this has been done, what languages / libs are appropriate, and "sleeper" features that seem simple but are complex (like, idk, maybe mouse capture).

So i have unbound+dnscrypt+dnsec working with unbound and dnscrypt-proxy services.However when i set unbound to be used as a dns caching service,all dns' time out and dont function.
I've spent days on this and no matter what config i use it just refuses to work
What could be causing this? Everything else works as expected

>>61600277
Not every update breaks something, but I definitely checked https://www.archlinux.org/ before running

sudo pacman -Syuu

on this laptop I just booted for the first time in three months. Anyone who does otherwise is a thrillseeker.

If you don't want to do Ubuntu because of the memes, honestly, try Fedora. I hear it's excellent. It will probably be my next install if I ever get fed up with Arch, and the people I know who run it have no complaints. It looks nice out of the box and doesn't have some of the quirks that Ubuntu inexplicably has (though Ubuntu is getting better in that regard and .rpm distros have some quirks of their own if you're coming from .deb distros).

>>61600755

Thanks. I do hear Fedora is a good alternative as well.

Is there something similar to the windows 7 taskbar for linux?
Something that let's you pin shit and manage windows, also hideable.

>decide to finally learn some vim
>set -o vi to force myself to actually use what I learn
I feel powerful

What's the closest distro to something like red hat enterprise linux? A distro that is actually useful and usable

>>61600923
CentOS, the open source fork of RHEL. Currently on version 7 iirc. https://www.centos.org/about/

>>61600898
If you have bash 4.4 then put this in your ~/.inputrc

# Enable vi mode
set editing-mode vi
# Add a visual indicator of what mode you're in
set show-mode-in-prompt on
# Make modes switch instantaneously instead of having a delay
set keyseq-timeout 0
# Change the actual cursor to a different color based on what mode you're in
set vi-ins-mode-string "\1\e[1;34m\e[2 q\e]12;#4092e5\a\2+"
set vi-cmd-mode-string "\1\e[1;31m\e[2 q\e]12;#e54092\a\2:"

# Restore Ctrl+L hotkey to clear the screen
$if mode=vi
set keymap vi-command
Control-l: clear-screen
set keymap vi-insert
Control-l: clear-screen
$endif

>>61600970
I also like to use
>set vi-ins-mode-string "\1\e[1;34m\e[2 q\e]12;#4092e5\a\2+"
For an underline cursor in insert mode instead of a box

>>61600695
oh, also, would it be helpful (in terms of learning about the internals of gnu/linux with the goal of writing terminal i3) for me to work through some of the Linux From Scratch materials? Or are those two things kind of orthogonal?

>>61600970
Rad, thanks.

>>61600970
>there's a delay
what the actual fuck
is there a built in delay when exiting various modes in ranger and htop and tmux, too? cause that drives me crazy sometimes.

>>61601065
tmux has one yeah.

From what I understand it's intentionally added because there's actually some hotkeys that are combinations of escape+something so it adds a delay to see if you press a combination or just escape.
I personally think anyone who needs it should have to enable the delay rather than making it the default. I can't imagine there are many people using that so it seems pretty retarded.

You can disable the delay in tmux with
>:set -s escape-time 0

When I have a document open in mupdf, it keeps the same zoom level when I change pages. But it also keeps the same position on the page, meaning that when I finish reading to the bottom of a page, when I move to the next page I start at the bottom of the next page. Is it possible to have it snap back to the top of the page on page change, while still keeping the same zoom level?

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>>61601096
well fry me in butter and call me a catfish
thanks, anon
have a pretty picture of my baiku

Any point in trying to escape systemd? Void is Arch sans AUR, and devuan is run by italian niggers. Any hope left?

>>61601252

You can remove it from Gentoo.

I don't use Gentoo anymore, but I removed it from my KDE box and replaced it with upower-pm-utils.

>>61601252
There's not much you can do as an individual user unless you're a l33t hacker or something.

Some distros that still don't use systemd are Gentoo, Slackware, and Manjaro (manjaro does by default but has an option to use openrc instead)

If GuixSD is your cup of tea then that's another awesome option (It's a great distro but uses the Linux-libre kernel so if you use wifi it almost certainly won't work without you buying a wifi usb peripheral, and is generally not going to be friendly to you installing any proprietary software on it)

Beyond that there's hope a few other distros down the road might also move away from it. But there's also bad news that could happen in the future too (the Gentoo devs think they may have to go full systemd one day)

>>61601314
You don't "remove" it from Gentoo, you just don't install it in the first place. On Gentoo it's actually considered non-standard to use systemd, the recommended installation path that following all the guides gives you is with OpenRC.

>>61599754
I used Mint (an LTS version supported past my graduation date) when I was in graduate school and studying/attending class/working 16-20 hours per day and had 0 time to fuck around with a misbehaving OS.

10/10, would install again.

Hello my friends.

Should I install ubuntu 16 or 17?

I just want something taht werks and be rid of wangblows 10

>>61601252
You can run debian without systemd if you don't have a DE installed to pull it down. Install sysvinit-core and systemd-shim. Remove systemd and systemd-sysv and add this to /etc/apt/preferences to tell them to stay gone

Package: systemd
Pin: release o=Debian
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: systemd-sysv
Pin: release o=Debian
Pin-Priority: -1

>>61599914
>Should I just go back to Ubuntu (not gnome/unity) or Fedora if my goal is network security and Linux system administration?
Given that real-world applications of Linux (except embedded) almost all involve Debian (or a derivative) or Red Hat (or a derivative/upstream), yes. Unless some NEET anti-systemd memer is going to pay you to administer his Devuan box.

>>61601654
>>61601654
>>61601654

>>61600277
>Is Arch a good first distro for a tech savvy windows user?
Unless you're planning a complex setup, it's not difficult to follow the installation instructions on the Arch wiki.

Out of the box, Arch provides nothing in the way of exploit mitigations. No LSMs, no firewall, and most binaries, including those that handle untrusted data from the network, are compiled without any kind of hardening. If that's an issue for you.

>And that the 'every update will break something' is just a meme.
It is, but as anon cautioned, you should check the Arch newsfeed before updating.

>>61601015
Orthogonal. I think if you want to write terminal i3, you'd be better off diving into ncurses or terminal implementations or the like.

I've built LFS several times by hand (different versions, also the sysv and systemd versions) and many times with jhalfs. It's an educational experience, but not one that will really have you digging into any internals, unless you count kernel configuration.

>>61601700
>are compiled without any kind of hardening
Except they do compile with hardening flags

>>61601736
thank you for the response, I appreciate it.

I do hope to do LFS at some point just on its own merits; there are many things I don't fully understand about linux bootstrapping / init processes that I bet it covers in spades.

>>61601471
17, unless you need an LTS release, in which case 16.04 LTS.

>>61601752
Not -pie and not -z now, unless that has changed in the last ~2 months.

>>61601846
And even if that was true it that would still not mean "without any kind of hardening"

>>61601700

That's fucking great to know.

What's a non ubuntu/shit-tier distro that actually provides those protections out of the box?

Or, what can I do to configure Arch to have those things?

>>61601910
Ubuntu's fine, but if you don't like it for some reason, Fedora uses SELinux with a good set of policies and comes with a firewall by default. I believe they also compile most of their binaries with -fstack-protector-strong and -pie and partial RELRO, but it has been a long time since I've used it, so you'd have to double check.

For Arch, you'd have to see if the default kernel at least has an LSM (AppArmor, SELinux, Tomoyo, etc.) compiled in and, if so, set it to activate at boot and install all of the appropriate userland tools. If there are no pre-designed policies in the Arch repos, you'd have to make your own. If there are no LSMs compiled in, you'd have to pick one or more and recompile the kernel.

Then you'd probably want to recompile a bunch of packages with appropriate hardening flags. I used Arch for years, but in the end decided that I didn't want to invest that much time trying to secure it and keep it secure when most other major distros are doing a better job of that out of the box.

>>61597100
How are you even underplaying the value of such tools as I mentioned? Obviously you're a pajeet who is too retarded to use them, or some low level support tier dickhead who no one would trust with such responsibility.

>>61591480
>the fact is, macs have poor support for other third party operating system

Please elaborate, what is it that's bad and how is it better on other makes.