/wt/ watch thread

Whats a good bug out watch to add to my kit and possibly wear around that costs less than 125 dollars?

>>61510117
your favorite gshock

>>61510125
But I don't know what my favorite is. Are the analogue and digital ones a meme or should I just get the all digital?

>>61510142
how much these go for? On a side note. Do you know of any good mechanical Pulsometer watches in the 2-4 thousand dollar space. My girlfriend is graduating med school next year and i really want to get her one.

>>61510162
What the fuck kind of shitpost is this?

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>>61510169
The 5S21-7A10 here I bought for $240, but good luck finding one - 5S21 were not produced in large quantities and 7A10 is a fairly uncommon case reference.

There's the modern longines pulsometer, but the case (and in particular lugs) is pretty big for modern female fashion. You might consider looking for a 40s style chronograph and getting it serviced.

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>>61510149
5610 is the best G-Shock by far. It has solar, radio sync, 200m water resistance and doesn't look as stupid as the round ones.

>>61510285
Thank you.

>>61509954
Do I need a better press than this one?
>>61504761

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>>61510352
The longines (the older 38.5mm version; the more recent monopusher is easier to find but a bit bigger).

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>>61510184

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>>61510377
Eterna (may they rest in peace) also has one, but again, quite large (cheaper than the longines though)

>>61510377
>>61510411

Thank you both very much I will take a look at these.

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>>61510169
There's a 5S21-7A00 on Yahoo JP right now which might be a very good choice.

>>61510367
depends on how many crystals you are going to change and how expensive the watch is. If you just want to fuck around and you have a couple of seikos its fine.

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>>61510551

>>61510522
>5S21-7A00
its at 152 with 16 hours left. I will keep my eye on this. Again much appreciated.

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>>61510575
By the way, that 7A00 is from (May) 1988 given the caseback serial - on the off chance that's your girlfriend's birthyear.

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>>61510142

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>>61510784

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Hey /wt/. Did I just buy a fucking meme watch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRYewAjfRDM

what do you think about my rolex?

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Cheap 20 dollar find. Funny enough it says french movt on the bottom of the dial.

>>61510718
Faster to check the time on a phone than this

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>>61510978
Stick to one language, moron.

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>>61510911
spotted the fortune user

>>61509954
Looking for a watch

Need
>self winding
>Calendar
>Stopwatch

Nice to have
>all black

>>61512263
MIH watch.

>>61512263
you need to give
>a budget

>>61512060
too expensive

you can get a Swiss one in that price range, which
comes in more than one oversized grand seiko homage design
is more accurate
can be serviced almost anywhere, not like Seiko JDMs that likely will need to be send to Japan
can be serviced forever, not just those 10 years that Seiko guarantees
can be from an actual local AD, where you can try it before and get full warranty & service

>>61512263

Speedmaster 9300

Grand Seiko SBGC223

>>61510978
Is that a fucking jerry? We should have given them a nice little atomic present during wwii instead of just saving it for the fucking nips. Somehow those slanty eyed mother fuckers still made seiko.... Should have given those fucks 3 gifts instead of 2.

Found a seiko 6309-510a in my parents old stuff
Cleaned the grime around it with rubbing alcohol, the glass is a bit scratchy (especially on the right side)
I'm a newfag at this, best way to buff the scratches out a bit?

>>61512302
look at these delusional nips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-tUvOIc7qo

comparing the dial to a fucking Audemars Piguet dial...

Is it worth buying a grey market watch for $500 less than at an AD? Looking at $1700 compared to $2200.

>>61512519
nope, too much trouble if something is not right.
would want it to be perfect with that much money.

>>61510113

That looks funky. What's the story? Late 70s, quartz?

>>61512298
as long as it wont break in a few years im happy with whatever price, the lower the better

>>61512604
mechanical watches usually need servicing after 3-5 years

>>61512302
So what ETA shitter do you recommend?

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>>61512600
It is an electric watch (battery for energy, balance wheel and hairspring for timekeeping) with jumping date, jumping hour, and jumping minute.

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>>61512604

>>61512641
good point.. guess Ill have to stick with digital then. Ive been using a Casio W93H for the last few years. Aside from very infrequent battery changes, the thing hardly ever leaves my wrist. Looking for a self-winding or solar alternative. I use the timer and calendar frequently enough to need it in my next watch.

>>61512319
>>61512292
Thank you for all of your suggestions so far

>>61512682

That checks all of the boxes. Very good option. Ill keep my eyes peeled for this one

>>61510816

five dollars says it's a modified eta

Does everyone on /wt/ own a space watch?

>not being ready for a space mission at all times.

>>61512797
I've been told it's an F. Piguet (i.e., Blancpain)

>>61512851
derp
>>61512780

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>>61512797
Ready captain

>>61512651
eta makes better movements than seiko unless you spend over 2 thousand dollar on a seiko.. all eta watches somehow shitters. shitty Chinese made seikos that have seiko made movements somehow not shitters... being this much a delusional weab

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>>61512963
Nice. On the hunt for a nice example king quartz now.

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>>61512797

I'm not sure if it's still qualified for space flight because of the sapphire. The strap probably couldn't handle EVA either.

>>61512651
tissot visodate
tissot le locle
oris classic
hamilton viewmatic auto
hamilton intra-matic auto
christopher ward C5 malvern automatic mkIII
...

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Just picked up this day-to-day oyster perpetual for $2500, how'd I do /wt/?

>>61513800
>this is bait.png

>>61513905
Why is it bait? Did he pay too much?

>>61514060
The day window being misaligned and the shitty magnification doesn't give it away to you?

>>61512302
>you can get a Swiss one in that price range
You mean you can get a Chinese cased ETA shitter in that price range

>comes in more than one oversized grand seiko homage design
None of the SARX models are Grand Seiko homage designs.

>is more accurate
A base or elabore grade 2824-2 is not that much more accurate

>can be serviced almost anywhere, not like Seiko JDMs that likely will need to be send to Japan
Complete nonsense. The SARX models are 6r15c's which can be serviced by any independent watchmaker

>can be serviced forever, not just those 10 years that Seiko guarantees
You were already dumpstered at length in a previous thread for spreading this lie, I will literally copy paste all of my posts on the subject from the archive if you do not cease knowingly and deliberately lying.

>can be from an actual local AD, where you can try it before and get full warranty & service
There are at least some Seiko ADs in North America who carry some or all of the formerly JDM line, you can check around and see if there is somewhere you'd be able to try it on in person first.

>>61512422
Of the crystal you mean? It's probably not very practical to do by hand as that watch has a mineral crystal and it would by quite time consuming to polish using abrasive compounds.

I looked it up and the NOS crystal part number for that watch is SA1W08GN00 and you can find them online if you search.

>>61514219
BTFO

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>>61512797
Yes. It can be hand wound so it still qualifies.

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>>61512797
The speedmaster is the next sub, everyone and their mother seem to have one.

>>61514477
The Speedmaster has been the next sub since 48 years and one day ago.

>>61514477
Well at least there are plenty of variations to choose from.

>>61514477
When I turn 18 my dad is giving his speedmaster

>>61513800
happy y satur

>>61512851
I read that they had previously used other movements. I also read that they were developing an in house one before the Swatch acquisition. I read one article about the watch stating that it had an in house movement, but then nothing about the movement itself elsewhere to corroborate that.

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Seiko 8L35.

Is this actually good or overrated?

What is the swiss equivalent of it?

>>61515756
It's basically an undecorated/unadjusted grand seiko 9S55. So take that as you will.

>>61509954
i wish i called my watches timepieces.

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Holy shit the patek exhibition was awesome. Did anyone else make it to NYC today?

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>>61516058
I went last week. Was pretty neat.

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>>61516058
Nice picture by the way. That room was probably the best.

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Second best exhibit

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Best modern watch here.

>>61510347
gshock are fucking ugly

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If the sole purpose of the event was to get younger people interested in watches, they did a great job. The vr was insane. Having all the movements on display was awesome.

the watch on the right has quite literally the most retarded escapement ever made.

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>>61516171
The VR was great. Wish they would release it for download though I'm sure they won't.

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>>61516202
FUSEE

>>61516212
>dude this escapement has so much damn locking on the impulse and friction that it has no semblance of timekeeping
>dude put a fusee on it lmao the chinks dont give a fuck they love that dead beat seconds

>>61510718
>Hey man do you have the time
>>Yeah it's uhhhhhhhh
>>Venus I guess

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>>61512797
>Buy a Vostok for $45 to $75
>Get to say you own a space watch even though the Vostoks and Poljots taken into space are completely different

>>61516171
Isn't it Patek that's really been pushing watchmaker internships and other programs as of late?

>>61516803
I wish

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>>61516803
>>61517037
Derp

>>61513288
Like your ass ever gonna see space. And leaving the house is the closest you'll come to an EVA, dweeb fuck. Watch out you don't rip that strap on a branch.

>>61513800
As far as lying goes, you suck at it.

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thoughts?

>>61517565
Yep, looks like every other chink sub clone.

>>61517565
Yep that's a submariner knockoff.

>>61517592
so...not worth $79 with free shipping?

>>61517627
Any info on the movement? I'd probably just get a Parnis in that price point if it doesn't have a Miyota movement.

>>61517693
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LOREO-Germany-watches-men-luxury-automatic-self-wind-waterproof-200M-yacht-oyster-perpetual-master-relogio-masculino/32580279644.html

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>tfw I'm seriously considering a Bagelmeme Nautilus knockoff

>>61513800
bad fake lol. i hope this is a joke
>>61517565
nasty. dont buy this. if you want a sub ripoff get a tisell or better yet a steinhart

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>>61517985
got it senpai, guess i'll just stick with my duro for now

>>61518054

Why are you even considering another shitter of the same caliber? Save up for something nice.

>>61518185
was considering getting my first automatic... a Seiko 5 but the local dealer has shitty choices and marks the price up too high. and i'm on a $100 budget.

>>61518226
amazon?

>>61517565
just a get a bagelsport from ebay if you're buying chink shit.

Bagelsport renowned shitter.

>>61518258
so what do you think i should get for $100 that's not chink shit?

>>61518275
for a hundred + automatic?
probably a seiko snk from ebay/amazon. These don't have hacking plus manual winding, i'd say hacking the biggest missing factor though. If you save up at least 200 more, you can get yourself a sarb033 which is a really good watch for the price imo and can hold you off for a good while before upgrading to a better watch.

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>>61512682
That date window.

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>>61512707
G-Shock GW-M5610 it has everything you need plus radio sync.

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>>61512797
Yep, a cosmonaut took a Komandirskie to Mir.

>>61518378
thanks, will consider that. appreciate the advice, newbie here. bought the duro during my honeymoon some years back cos it was cheap af, just replaced the steel bracelet with a nato strap which i learned about from here.

>>61516156
>best modern watch
>shitty 'smart' watch
Nigga please.

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>10 people out there bought a $500 Vostok

>>61518435
I mean, Casios have gone up on the ISS too.

technology?

>>61512962
>eta makes better movements
Source?

>seikos that have seiko made movements somehow not shitters
He didn't say that.

>>61518480
True, a lot of astronauts wear G-Shocks.

>>61518226

Honestly there's not really any good diver's under $100.

If you can't save up then I would recommend the Invicta 8926OB. It has a Seiko nh35 movement which is the equivalent to a 4r36 and has hacking and handwinding. Make sure it's the OB version to get the Seiko movement.

Best watch size for a 6.3 inch (16cm) wrist?

>>61518536
36mm.

>>61518536
40mm

>>61518536
Depends on the lug-to-lug length.
You could likely pull off an SKX007/009 because of the 45mm lug-to-lug, even though the case diameter is 42.

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>>61510526
I've been picking up project watches (pic related) so I have a tinkering hobby to keep myself busy when I go back to school innacity. I'm replacing the crystal on >>61503867 and would like to practice on other new/shit watches before working on my project watches from 1918, 1920, 1944, 1946, and 1967.

>>61518536
46 mm

>>61518536
19mm, to the head

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R8 my new acquisition /wt/

It's a 50s/60s Accurist, I'll be polishing the crystal and swapping the strap for a leather one when it arrives.

>>61518904
Grandpa tier

>>61518904
Not bad/10

>>61519290
Imagine it with a cleaned up crystal and on a black/brown leather strap. It'll be a Decent dress watch I think.
>>61519307
Thanks m8.

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>>61514219
>You mean you can get a Chinese cased ETA shitter in that price range
you really think Presage line is made in japan just because japan has no COO rules and seiko can print it on the dial and rotor (like they also do for seiko 5 jdms that cost $100)?
>None of the SARX models are Grand Seiko homage designs.
they totally look alike
>Complete nonsense. The SARX models are 6r15c's which can be serviced by any independent watchmaker
seiko does not sell parts or give documentation to independent watchmakers.
most people don't want to give their watches to some hack.
>You were already dumpstered at length in a previous thread for spreading this lie, I will literally copy paste all of my posts on the subject from the archive if you do not cease knowingly and deliberately lying.
hacks making franken ones with questionable donor parts does not count.
>There are at least some Seiko ADs in North America who carry some or all of the formerly JDM line, you can check around and see if there is somewhere you'd be able to try it on in person first.
i think there's that one boutique in NY, but can't service and you have to pay list price + taxes

I own a rolex.

>>61520043
Thanks for sharing, link to your blog? :^)

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>>61520043
enjoy your shitter

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>>61520043
>filename

>>61520036
>you really think Presage line is made in japan
No, but Seiko does QC them to good standard and doesn't charge excessively for them so I don't care.

>seiko does not sell parts or give documentation to independent watchmakers.
Yeah, that's why the fucking technical guide for the 6r15c is literally on their website. Also seeing as a complete 6r15c movement is available for $115 I'm not seeing too many cases in which it would be sensible to incur the parts and labour costs to repair a part that has gone wrong rather than replacing the whole movement.

I also for the life of me have no idea where you've gotten the idea that it is normal to have to replace parts at a regular service. Parts replacements should only be required if something has gone wrong, otherwise on a normal service it is not necessary.

And for that matter, I have no idea where you've gotten the idea that Seiko doesn't sell parts to independent watchmakers. What is your source for such a claim? We are not talking about Grand Seiko here and I know of no such policy for regular Seiko movements.

>most people don't want to give their watches to some hack.
What an idiotic comment. Most knowledgeable watch collectors strongly prefer a skilled independent to authorized service centers.

>i think there's that one boutique in NY, but can't service and you have to pay list price + taxes
There are more who sell "JDM" models. I have a Seiko AD local to me who carries their JDM models and competes with online prices.

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>>61512797
Yes, i own a casio a158

What are some really cool looking solar watches?

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>>61520342
Citizen BM8180

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>>61509954
>best watch under $10
Casio F-91W
>best watch under $20
Casio MRW200H
>best watch under $50
???
>best watch under $100
???
>best watch under $200
???
>best watch under $300
???
>best watch under $400
???
>best watch under $500
???
>best watch under $750
???
>best watch under $1,000
???
>best watch under $2,000
???
>best watch under $5,000
???
>best watch under $10,000
Blancpain Leman Aqualung Grand Date
>best watch under $20,000
???
>best watch under $30,000
???
>best watch under $50,000
???
>best watch under $75,000
???
>best watch under $100,000
???
>best watch overall
Seiko SKX

>>61514219
6r15 is a hunk of shit my friend. It is literally half the price of a standard grade 2824.. and it is half the price for a reason. the 6r15 is a shit movement from top to bottom. Its a machine made inaccurate and unfinished piece of shit that is more expensive to service than to replace. The fucking F6922 is more acurate out of the box you delusional seiko fanfaggot.

>>61515756
This is the first shittiest of the "good" seiko movments. If i had to choose between a topgrade 2824 or this i would have to think about it. Its still not at as good as a 2892...

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>>61520043

>>61520617
t. Mr. Poor

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>>61520677
poor Mr. T

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>>61520732

Thinking about going to the Patek expo today. It's the last day of it.
They any good? What's the dealio?

>>61520474
From what you're saying, the 6R15 seems like it's a very reasonably-priced movement.
Half the price of a standard-grade 2824, yet better power reserve, and forget the factory accuracy guarantee, real-world results are typically in the 5s per day range.

>>61520985
Anons in previous threads seemed to have a good time there.

>>61520985
Did you read the posts from last night in this very thread with pics and discussion of it?

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>>61517150

That's not true. One of these days an astronaut will get sick and NASA will start calling Speedmaster owners who are willing to take his spot aboard the rocket.

They'll probably call me first because my first and last name start with an A.

>>61521279
Jokes on you, my first and last name both start with Aa.

>>61521277
Nah, I was working. Couldn't check.

>>61521252
Nice. I'll prob check it out.

>>61521458

Jokes on you, my name is Aaaaa Aaaaaab.

>>61521480
Joke's on me, I'm the sick astronaut :-(

>>61521480
And mine begins with a number.
0Aaron 0Aaronson

>>61521466
>Couldn't check
ctrl+f patek

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>>61509954
Does anyone actually wear the Leatherman Tread? If so, what watch do you have on it?

>>61520390
If skx is the best overall then shouldn't it occupy every price bracket that it can be bought in?

>>61521843
I suppose anon could have meant "best value for money overall but not the best watch if you're willing to spend more for diminishing but positive returns"

>>61521279
is that shit watch really still approved by nasa?

hey Yuropoor here,

what are some budget dress watches for <250€

>>61521937
https://danhenrywatches.com/products/1947-dress-watch

>>61521937
If you go vintage you can have a nice Omega for that probably.

>>61521918
yeah its really too bad NASA doesn't approve the skx .. clearly the better watch.

>>61521937
orient bambino

>>61521961
vintage omega are cheap because they are shit and ubiquitous.
you prolly would need to service them, then it's not so cheap anymore.

>>61521843
Nineball I've been trying to ping you for days.

Talk to me about your Habring. Finishing / Accuracy / overall thoughts? Any pics if you have them.

Compared to other >100 shitters, are vostok watches any good? If so, is there a good movement you recommend?

>>61522006
they are shit, no QC at all.

>>61522063
>>61522006
Where does this meme about them being utter dog shit come from ? My experience can be summed up with (in the case of Amphibias) solid cases which hold up to their waterproofing that can take some abuse and keep ticking. If you want a mechanical watch to abuse then they're a fine choice.

>>61522006
I wouldn't recommend a vostok to someone I hate even

>>61521989
>you prolly would need to service them, then it's not so cheap anymore.
Can confirm.

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I inherited this after my grandfather. Not exactly in the best of condition, but pretty nice for what it is.

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>>61522189
Not sure what the Grand Prix Paris was, but there it is.

>>61522002
Finishing off the case, dial and hands are good, but nothing impressive like a Grand Seiko. The movement finishing is fine. Keep in mind I only have a 7750 based watch, if you're looking at getting one of those.

But the unique mechanisms he incorporates makes it worth it. And you'll be the only one in most rooms who have heard of Habring, and the only one in nearly all rooms who actually wears one.

My accuracy has been good. Generally a second or two a day

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>>61522197
I particularly like how the faces of the winding gears have been milled.

>>61521240
>Half the price of a standard-grade 2824, yet better power reserve
if you let a 2824 beat as low as that shitter, it will have a far better power reserve of around 80h
>forget the factory accuracy guarantee, real-world results are typically in the 5s per day range
where are those real-world tests?
independent watchmakers tell me something else.

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>>61522214
Balance wheel is temperature-compensated.

>>61521918

Why wouldn't it be?

>>61522228
>if you let a 2824 beat as low as that shitter, it will have a far better power reserve of around 80h
Source?
There are watches with the same mainsprings and power reserves, but different frequencies.

>>61522287
X-33 happened

>>61518536
Depends on the style of watch. Just make sure the lugs don't stick out past your wrist.

For under 200 dollars, quartz, mechanical, or automatic? If so, what is the best watch of each variant for the budhet?

>>61522486

what does best mean?

>>61522486
also automatic means automatic winding of a mechanical watch.. automatic watches are mechanical. You mean hand wound mechanical and automatic mechanical?

>>61522486
quartz obv beats mechanical ones in every aspect in every price range

>>61522558
don't be an asshat.
those terms are well-known and used by watchmakers themselves even if not technically 100% correct.

>>61522238
Nice watch, anon, it's even cooler that there's family history behind it. Are you going to get it serviced and use it?

Judging by a serial number chart [1], 1915 manufacture on the movement, 1919 manufacture on the case. The "GRAND PRIX PARIS 1900" engraving is showcasing the awards Omega won at the world's fair in Paris in 1900 [2], they used this engraving into the 1910s.

[1] http://www.pocketwatchrepair.com/histories/omega.html
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposition_Universelle_(1900)

>>61522558
also quartz crystal is actually a mechanical resonator, so quartz is mechanical

>>61522614
Don't be retarded, most of the time when people talk about mechanical watches today they're talking about automatic watches, not hand wound. You fucked up semantics in a thread of watch autists, there is no recovery beyond self-degradation as you admit fault and move on with the conversation.

>>61521945
>>61521961
>>61521989
Thanks lads, will look into it!

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>>61522661
>Are you going to get it serviced and use it?
Since it's in so poor condition, I don't feel there's much use to it. It doesn't show up all that well on the picture, but the surface of the case is all borked. It looks like it has been plated with some other metal originally, but that that plating has completely worn off.

I actually inherited a Viking watch from him as well, which is not quite as nice, but it is in far better condition, and the case is 18 carat gold. I do use that watch now and then. Pic is related.

>>61522407

So?

>>61518475

>0 points made

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Hi /wt/, I need your help.

I've picked up an Audel watch from the local flea market this morning. I know it's not much of a watch, but I've wanted to know what type it is but couldn't find anything on the Internet.

Could you please help me with identifying the watch? I know that it may be shit, but I'm curious to see what it is.

>>61522704
better eat your hat.
here's Hamilton and not random fags on the internet:
http://www.hamiltonwatch.com/collection/khaki/field/auto-40mm/h70595963-khaki-field-auto-40mm
http://www.hamiltonwatch.com/collection/khaki/field/officer-mechanical/h69419363

>>61522238
Very cool.

>>61522800
better in every way and what NASA issues to astronauts now
so NASA could have raised their requirements

>>61522948
what the fuck are you talking about? have you read this commend chain?

>is that shit watch really still approved by nasa?

Why wouldn't it be?


>X-33 happened


So?


>better in every way and what NASA issues to astronauts now
so NASA could have raised their requirements


what the fuck does this mean? can you explain anything ?

>>61522948
Omega prolly bribes NASA not to.
same reason why Omega can sell something as Moonwatch with a cost-cut calibre that never was on the moon.

>>61522999
look at ESA, they talk about why they wanted a new watch:
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Human_Spaceflight/Astronauts/ESA_and_Omega_a_watch_for_astronauts

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>>61523000
>Omega prolly bribes NASA not to

>>61522661
>>61522890
Thank you, Anons.

>>61522840
>here's Hamilton and not random fags on the internet
That might be relevant if Hamilton were still relevant and if you were asking your question of Hamilton instead of random fags on the internet, such as myself and everyone else in this thread.

>http://www.hamiltonwatch.com/collection/khaki/field/auto-40mm/h70595963-khaki-field-auto-40mm
>http://www.hamiltonwatch.com/collection/khaki/field/officer-mechanical/h69419363
Did you read your fucking links before sending them, you pompous twat? They explicitly state that the handwinding mechanical is a handwinding mechanical watch, they don't just call it "mechanical" and leave the handwinding bit out of the description.

>>61523067
look at the intransparent process by which the speedmaster was selected at first
look at how omega got the contract despite not being American
see the resolving door between nasa and omega

>>61522840
t. retard

>>61523000
Trips of truth.

>>61522661
>The "GRAND PRIX PARIS 1900" engraving is showcasing the awards Omega won at the world's fair in Paris in 1900, they used this engraving into the 1910s.
Thanks, I had no idea. I just thought it the Grand Prix was some particular event and that the watch was made to commemorate it somehow, but that explains it far better.

>>61522780
I like old pocket watches, I picked up a pair of them yesterday (>>61518635). I'm looking to start a watchmaking hobby in the near future, so I've been trying to find worthwhile project watches for cheap.

>>61523200
>They explicitly state that the handwinding mechanical is a handwinding mechanical watch, they don't just call it "mechanical" and leave the handwinding bit out of the description.
is English not your first language?
better learn what 'explicitly' means instead of foul language, helps you more in real life.
they just implicitly say 'Mechanical / Hand Winding' at one point, but the description just says 'the Khaki Field with mechanical movement is a timepiece not to be overlooked.'

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>>61523493
It's titled
>Khaki Field Officer Handwinding
and not
>Khaki Field Officer Mechanical

After labeling the watch "Handwinding," the description references the movement as "mechanical." Further down the page, in the tl;dr specs section, they call it "Mechanical / Hand Winding."

I don't know how you see that as anything other than explicit, unless you suffer from mental retardation, in which case I apologize and extend my sympathies.

>>61523645
Don't even try with that fucking idiot.

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>>61522808
It's probably one of brands made in china or hong-kong in 80/90's and that would mean that there's nothing to find about them. Put a bettery in and see if it works. If not, dump it into trash.
pic related is another example.

>>61523645
so you really do not understand what 'explicit' means.
Hamilton using 'mechanical' and 'handwinding' interchangeable is in no way explicitly telling you that it's a handwinding mechanical watch.
w/o prior knowledge you more likely would interfere that those two words are synonyms.

also there's no mentioning of 'mechanical' at all for the automatic.

>>61523894
Are you irreparably retarded?

am I the only one who likes the Explorer 2 216750 over the 16750 (current model over the one previous)?

and if so, does anybody want to buy my 16570

>>61510347
Except the gw 5000 is better

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>>61524228
>Am I the only one who likes the Explorer 2 [...]
Yes

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>>61524228
The old one kept nice proportions and a very clean, 1980's aesthetic. The 216570 is a chinky maxi-case and maxi-dial monstrosity. The maxi dial is particularly obnoxious with the ugly green glow of luminova you constantly see on it's oversized hour markers and hands. I do like the orange GMT hand though.

>>61520474
Oh, so now that your lies that the technical guide is unavailable and that you cannot get Seiko parts have been exposed, now the suddenly the goalposts move to your subjective opinion of the accuracy and finishing.

The 6r15c is not meaningfully worse in terms of accuracy than a 2824 standard or elabore, and is not meaningfully worse in terms of finishing than a 2824 standard.

Also it is worth noting that while the 6r15c is cheaper than lower grade 2824s, Seiko SARX models have significantly better case/dial/hands/bracelet finishing than you typically find in ~$500 watches, and I still think they often represent a better value than ~$500 2824 powered watches or Miyota 9015 powered watches.

>>61520501
The 8L35 is an undecorated Grand Seiko movement, MEMS balance and all. It is technically superior in every meaningful respect to a 2892-A2 and head and shoulders better than the 2824.

>>61522228
>if you let a 2824 beat as low as that shitter, it will have a far better power reserve of around 80h
Ah yes, certainly the difference between an average dial up amplidute of ~250-280 and ~280-310 based on differing philosophical choices by Seiko and Swiss makers is surely enough to make the 6r15c a piece of shit and to explain it's much better power reserve than the 2824...

Actually no, that's not at all the reason the 6r15c has a longer power reserve and you are just talking nonsense once again, unsurprisingly.

>>61524390
>216570
as far as 2s go you are correct but the one is so much nicer.

>>61521989
>vintage omega are cheap because they are shit
This might be the single most retarded opinion I've ever read on /wt/.

Unironically kill yourself for spouting such ignorant nonsense.

>>61524357

the Explorer 1 definitely looks better than the 2

>>61524390

it's mainly the orange hand. white lume on a white face and a white metal just kinda blends in. i just dig the boldness of the new one, and the gigantic lume is like the original 60's ones.

>>61524542
shut the fuck up you weab you are respnoding to like three different people. the 6r15 is shit and you know it. the 8l35 memes and all is not better than a 2892-2 top grade movement. and the sarx is nipshit... The sarx has better case and finishing then other 500 dollar watches because it costs seiko less than 40 dollars to shove a 6rshitter in there... it wouldn't even be economically viable to get the fucking movement serviced. Come up with your excuses for your shitty nip garbage somewhere else.

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>>61524630
Excellent arguments, you've really demonstrated an impressive ability to articulate your views in a very convincing fashion.

>>61524332
It's also a lot more expensive.

>>61524542
>Actually no, that's not at all the reason the 6r15c has a longer power reserve and you are just talking nonsense once again, unsurprisingly.
Correct, the 8R series uses the 6R15 as a base and even though it operates at 28,800 the power reserve is almost unchanged, mine goes 48 hours with the chrono running no less.

>>61524719
"So how does it compare to the competition(2892-A2)? There are some movements that match it in terms of accuracy and reliability, but in my humble opinion, none exceed it. The Rolex 3035 and 3135 match it toe to toe. But they are a lot thicker and considerably more expensive too. The PPs, while being very pretty to look at, do not match it for accuracy and are more delicate as far as reliability is concerned. Of course they’re also slightly thinner, so that does put them at a disadvantage. The JLC 889/2 does match it for accuracy, but is also too delicate to give it any competition in the reliability department."

No one cares about your memes.

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>>61524872
Someone who has no choice but to rely on the (biased) opinions of others in comparing the technical merits of different movements should probably keep their woefully uninformed opinions to themselves.

>>61524972

So a man who services watches for a living and has been working in a field for decades voices his informed opinion on his respected website.. I should not take it into consideration or repeat it. But you a seiko fanboy posting marketing material on 4chan have a more valid and unbiased opinion on the matter? How could I have been such a fool?

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>>61509954
My movement is better than your movement.

>>61522210
So overall you'd recommend the watch? I've got strong family ties to Austria so it would mean something to me.

>>61525042
No, you should not because you don't know enough about the subject to independently evaluate his claims.

The Rolex 3135 has a better winding efficiency, a longer power reserve, a parachrom hairspring, a breguet overcoil on the hairspring, a free sprung balance wheel, and a balance bridge design.

It simply does not make sense for someone to conclude that the 2892-A2 is a better design when the 3135 has all of these technical advantages.

Similarly, you are not even equipped to evaluate what the purpose of the MEMS escapement on the 8L35 is, or what it means compared to the traditional smooth balance of the 2992-A2.

So why would you go around screeching uninformed nonsense about movements? You literally have no independent capacity to evaluate their fathers or compare them besides swallowing the opinions of others whole.

>>61522614
You're a fucking retard. Don't come here asking for help for watches, get the terms wrong, and pretend to be correct

>>61525289
*Evaluate their features.

>>61524872
>This retarded article again
Comparing thickness between a generic ebauche and an in-house movement is retarded. Rolex knows exactly what watches they want to stick their movements in so why should they bother making them any thinner or smaller than they need to be to fit the watches they want to make? In fact, Rolex has even made larger variants of their movements to fit their new line of 41mm+ abominations. ETA on the other hand does need to try to make movements smaller so that they can get put in as many third party watches of all sizes as possible.

>>61525275
If it's in your price range and you like it, sure. Keep in mind the 7750 based watches they make are big for the sake of their modularity design principles.

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What is it with Vostoks and making total abominations? There's some pretty great modded ones out there, but god damn the ugly mods outweigh the good ones.

>>61512728
If you want this there's one for sale on watchuseek right now.

>>61525289
You do?

>>61525687
Perhaps you should try actually reading the post you are quoting and find out.

>>61525753
It says nothing of your technical expertise on the subject you weab.

Best watch to buy in UK for around ~£100?

What's the most impressive watch from a technical viewpoint?
E.g the use of unusual new materials and clever complications quality-wise (not retarded shit with 50 different timezones)

>>61525992
I'm always impressed for how cheap the Citizen Ecodrive watches can be bought. Sure they are pretty much all quartz shitters but being able to run a fairly long time from a tiny amount of light with a solar panel behind the dial seems really futuristic.
Nothing compared to the experience of a really great mechanical piece though. My latest fetisch is the Patek minute repeater lineup. Still in terms of materials and technology very traditional.

>>61525992

maybe not the most impressive, but the Zenith El Primero 21 is pretty nifty. i'll always have a soft spot for the Lange Zeitwerk. the Grand Seikos are pretty cool too honestly. and there's always something weird and wonderful from Urwerk and MB&F.

>>61525900
Feel free to engage with the substance of my post >>61525289 if you are able. I have no interest in entertaining your desperate attempts to deflect from the substance now that you've been revealed as a complete charlatan.

>>61525956
Pretty much any Seiko 5 or quartz watch.

>>61525992
Honestly, I find the engineering on the Amphibian to be pretty impressive. They managed to make a 200m and 300m rated watch on a shoestring Soviet budget without doing the standard "Just clamp that shit down" method that American and Swiss watchmakers were doing.
Obviously 200m is nothing nowadays, but for the time it's quite impressive.

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>>61525956
casio a500wa

>>61525956
Ten Casio F-91W watches.

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>>61525992

>>61524542
>>61524719

Would you recommend a watch with an 8l35 over all swiss movements up until the 3135?

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You know the drill /wt/
Alcohol and watches. Go.

Triple measure of Tanqueray No.10, with a healthy fistful of ice, and a can of lemon san pelegrino

>>61526679
Not necessarily.

The ETA 2892-A2 Top or Chonometer Grade is an excellent movement and will come with better factory regulation than an 8L35 will (though the 8L35 should be able to be regulated post purchase to, at bare minimum, match it in accuracy).

There is also Tudor's in-house movement family which features a silicon escapement, a free sprung balance, and a balance bridge. These movements are at least the equal of the 3135 while being available at a fairly attractive pricepoint.

I would avoid the Soprod A10 in this price range, they've been plagued with an abnormally high rate of issues (and as the movement is based on Seiko's 4L design it's not exactly "Swiss" anyway).

And, while not Swiss, I will note that Damasko's A35 movement is a technical tour de force with a complete silicon escapement and free sprung gyromax balance.

I would personally avoid the 8L35 in the MM300 if I was fussy about accuracy, as the MM300 is a monobloc case that makes it a pain to regulate (as it would have to be done by a watchmaker), and in any case I feel like its an insult to what the 8L35 is capable of in terms of accuracy to not regulate it post purchase.

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>>61526948

Fuck beer, bro.

>>61525992
I'll divide this between production watches and handmade watches.

For production watches I would say that the most impressive are the:

1) The Rolex 32xx with a factory +/- 2 seconds a day accuracy rating is pretty impressive to achieve without adopting Seiko's solution from the 1970s (i.e. throwing absurd amounts of labour at adjusting and regulating them).

2) Damasko going from not making movements to making complete silicon escapement free sprung gyromax balance movements in a single leap is frankly one of the most absurd technical achievements in modern horology.

3) Grand Seiko's use of MEMS technology to make hollow escapement components with micrometer precision and perfect inherent poise in order to minimise the drawbacks of a 36,000 bhp beatrate and to achieve unprecedented inherent accuracy in a smooth balance design.

Haute Hologerie:

1) Jaeger LeCoultre's gyrotourbillon series succeeds in actually eliminating positional variation while looking cool as hell.

2) Girard Perregaux's constant force escapement which seeks to eliminate differences in amplitude based on how much energy is left in the mainspring.

3) The Vacheron Constantin Les Cabinotiers Celestia Astronomical Grand Complication 3600.

Just watch the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=297-ovrU3UM

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>>61526948
*tips*

>>61527377

why don't you take the bus you fuckin cager, you have enough money

>>61527446
he's back, and with reddit spacing

>>61527663
Your mistake is to think he ever left. That guy is one of the /wt/ perma-shitposters. He switches between acts, he doesn't leave.

>>61527712
is he the one shilling that ugly seiko sub knockoff

What are the best entry level mechanical watches?

>>61528503
Bagelsport and Vostok.

>>61527377
I fucking DIED the first time that got posted in /wt/. Also, I miss bagelmemes put through pastries for our amusement.

>>61528560
Seiko 5 and Parnis watches too.

>>61528560
Any specific models?

>>61529086
Don't know about bagelsport, but vostok basically has two models in different casings. A manual wind type and an automatic diver type. But beware, since the machinery is old and they don't regulate their watches they can run slow or fast a minute every week, so you might have to regulate them yourself.
https://meranom.com/en/ You can check them out here.

As for seiko 5, there is too many models to list here, but they are either the same price as vostok divers or just a bit more pricey, but its a much better movement inside.

>>61526187
What substance? Is this the Dunning–Kruger effect?

>>61529086
Vostok Amphibia Classic
Vostok Amphibia SE
Any Chinese Korean stainless steel watch with saphire glass ceramic bezel and mioyta movement.
The seiko's are finished pretty well and are super cheap but the movements are shit even for a disposable watch. The newer orient watches are not horrible and are mostly under 200 dollars.

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>>61524542
>6r15c
2017 watches should have 6r15d not 6r15c.
don't think there are any sarx045 with 6r15c.

all in all seiko's movement portfolio has a problem:
sarb033 for $300 already had the 6r15, you can't use the same mediocre movement in a $1,000 watch.
to solve that seiko will not use the 6r15 anymore in sub $500 models, but instead gives you a cost-reduced 4r36.
only fanboys will defend that.

>>61529449
Feel free to engage with the substance of my post >>61525289 if you are able. I have no interest in entertaining your desperate attempts to deflect from the substance now that you've been revealed as a complete charlatan.

>>61524542
>Seiko SARX models have significantly better case/dial/hands/bracelet finishing than you typically find in ~$500 watches
if you don't care about the movement, just go quartz.
some microbrands like dan henry/nezumi/... have excellent finishing at even lower price points.

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Man, learning about watches is so fun!

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>>61529873
What's new in the D version?

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>>61529873
>>61529944
Seiko should either bring back the 4s15 or design a new 28,800bph movement with a micro-adjuster for it's higher end sub-GS watches.

Nonetheless, the 6r15 vs a Standard or Elabore grade 2824-2 is a fair trade-off for the dramatically better case/dial/hands/bracelet finishing you get on Seiko's $500-$750 watches than any of the ETA powered competitors

>dan henry
>excellent finishing
Yeah, like pic related right? Please stop embarrassing yourself.

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>>61529968
wtf delid this

>>61530084

>lol dude am i a diver or a chrono idk

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>>61529944
>nezumi
>excellent finishing

Here's some more excellent finishing, yours for the low low price of only 300 euros!

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>>61530090
>Forgetting who pulls the strings of the Rothschilds

>>61530142

What is this fucking monstrosity?

>>61530084
>>61530142
prototypes do not represent the final product.
those aren't skx.

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>>61530195
They are examples of what this clueless shitposting schmuck:

>>61512302
>>61520036
>>61520474
>>61520501
>>61522228
>>61524630
>>61524872
>>61525687
>>61525900
>>61529449
>>61529944

Thinks represents "excellent finishing." Pic related is another lovely example of the "excellent finishing" Nezumi offers.

Thoughts on Momento watches?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CILQ-VWAAIQ

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>>61530303

>>61530303

get out of here you fuckin archie shill

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My Amphibia. Really like the hands on this one.

>>61530076
seiko said nothing just for manufacturing identification
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f21/recently-upgraded-6r15c-ne15b-665232-5.html#post34975066

conspiracy theory has it that "C-type"-balance had trouble and this tries to fix it
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f21/6r15-get-upgrade-6r15d-road-4178706.html#post40215146

I'm in a book store what watch books should i look for

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>>61530803

>>61530107
well, as a brand its a startup using the name of a past watchmaker, so they already lost all credibility from me

>>61529339
if its any consolation, mine keeps almost as good time as my alpinist. don't buy a bagelmeme

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I don't get how you people do all this arguing about muh finishing with a bunch of text and zero pictures so here's a couple of photos. I took them really quick and the watches aren't properly dusted off and I didn't bother trying to minimize the reflections off my red shirt. I'm not going to fling shit about what I think is or isn't better, I think they're all very nice watches or else I wouldn't have wasted my money on them.

>>61531069
Your what?

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>>61525956
vostok amphibia/parnis diver/parnis dress piece/orient bambino

>>61526319
is that chrome plated? if so, that's a shit choice

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>>61525586
good or bad?

>>61531036
going by that, there aren't a lot of many watchmakers left
quartz killed most once

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>>61531136
I was never a big fan of big tonneau cases. Pretty much the reason why I'm looking at 710s since they have the same vintage feel.

>>61522804
he's saying its a smartwatch, and therefore it is not the best watch (they have many issues, chiefly the need to charge constantly and the high price considering the planned obsolescence in 2 years.

>>61531088
seiko sarb035, seiko sarx015 , rolex explorer ref. 14270?

Can you guys recomend me a small bostok diver watch?
Preferably under 37mm.

>>61531088
That's an excellent compilation for showing how much of a step up the SARX is from the SARB in terms of finishing.

Much better gaps, much crisper edges, more finish transition, better brushing, etc.

Saved for future use. If I feel like really bootyblasting some people I'll see if I can make one where I cut in an Omega Aqua Terra between the SARB and a SARX or my SDGM003...

>>61531241
Explorer 114270 actually, but it's visually identical to the 14270.

>>61531270
>SARX or my SDGM003
shouldn't those roughly be the same in finishing?

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>>61531290
Yes, but the case shape and bracelet style on the SDGM might do a better job of contrasting the AT against the SARB, as the case shape and bracelet link shape is a little more similar.

Here's a 2500 AT bracelet and side case shot. Notice the very rounded links, and the rounded off corners on the bracelet and sides of the case? That kind of stuff makes me throw up on a $4,000 watch.

>>61531088

>tfw the finishing of the clasp on the official Omega Speedmaster Professional steel bracelet is on par with the image on the lower left of that image

I also own a Grand Seiko and it's on par with the finishing of that Rolex.

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>>61531524
Omega bracelets are Chinese outsourced hot steaming garbage.

>>61531546

It's so bad I actually decided to just keep the Speedy off the steel bracelet because after just a few months the clasp was so fucked up I was afraid the Omega logo would eventually be unrecognizable.

And it was just regular wear and tear of an office environment a few times a week.

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>>61526948
Gin+Citrus is god-tier. I prefer using lower-tier gin for mixing though, and take better stuff straight.

>>61530142
Don't forget the infamous "Quarts" debacle.

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