/hpg/ - Headphone General

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AD1000X or AD2000X owners speak up.

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

SHOULD I DO THE MASSDROP SENHEISER 6XX?

>>61480581
Naw, just get an HD600, which is better.

>>61480590
HD600 is £370 and the massdrop 650 is £170ish. I think for a £200 difference I can handle a little more warmth lol

>>61480573
>>61480602
Dt880s which are actually better in a lot of respects.

The hd600s are a meme that only populates garbage threads like this.

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>>61480654

>>61480654
tfw when i feel for the meme. The mids make too much sibilance in vocals. Sound stage is pretty shitty too. I guess it would blow my mind if I'd only heard shit before. LSR305 blow them away but I need a new desk since my is too short for proper placement.

>>61480708
im makeing a better headpon lol

in fact it souns better alredy

Why do you people even post here? /hpg/ is just as bad as head-fi, just inversely. These people think a $20 amplifier, a $200 amplifier, a $1000 amplifier and a $5000 amplifier all sound the same.

For every audiophile who buys $300 cables for their headphones on head-fi, /g/ has a poor pseudo-scientist who thinks he has some sort of enlightened understanding about objectivism.

Buy good gear. Listen to them. Learn for yourself what sounds different and what doesn't.

>>61480766
sIGhtED lIstENing TEsTs ARe WorTHlEsS, jusT bUy the Hd600

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>>61480766
Well I like the science of it.

>>61480766
>hey guys this headphone/amp sounds better/different
>no it doesn't, try blind testing them
>i did, i can tell them apart
>no you can't lol
honestly /hpg/ is one of the most useless generals on the entire site, should be removed from /g/ imo

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About to pull trigger on Sennheiser HD 800s. Convince me not to.

>>61480793
You know what emits a more planar wavefront than a typical dome driver?

A planar driver.

>>61480766
It has the occasional interesting debate, but shitposting often drives away anyone actually interested in a good talk, and there's being lots of shitposting lately.

>>61480807
Don't do it, Anon! It's to fucking comfortable! Your ears don't deserve to have their existence forgotten by you!

>>61480807
if you want a treble centric headphone with large soundstage and fast transients it's one of the best you can get next to the t1 for under $1000

but if you're gonna get something that expensive you might as well get the hd800s, or just buy a used hd800

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>>61480840
Nigga have you looked at the radiation patterns of planars? Just the obstructive magnet array should tell you enough. I'm designing a transducer that's better than both.

>>61480807
Get headphones with non-dynamic drivers for that price.

>>61480800
>>61480766
I couldn't agree more. Between the awkward weebs posting their waifus wearing headphones, to the viciously cyclical hd600 is endgame and any amp/dac over $100 is snake oil echo chamber this thread is absolute cancer and I swear it's the same 3 people who just jerk off and post in these threads 24/7. It's the same group of objectivist pseudoscientists who claim everything that doesn't fit there best headphone setup narrative is placebo or snake oil.

I totally understand the sentiment to undermine snake-oil in the audio hobby, but if you honestly think that all dacs/amps sound the same and that the hd600s are the only headphone worth the price you're honestly fucking deaf or don't listen to music in the first place.

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Here we have one of thousands of victims of Beyerdynamic treble.

>>61480914
Do you work for ORA sound? I keep getting harassing emails and phone calls from them trying to sell me their not really original new headphones.

>>61480931
>there's some autist out there who spends his free time making anti-DT 880 images to post on a chinese cartoon imageboard so that he can validate his opinions about headphones

>>61480931
And here we have shill.

>>61480923
Then stop browsing these threads, that's what I did. I browsed /hpg/ for about 4 months and I learned maybe 2 things of value.

Working ears and good judgment is all you need to differentiate between audible differences and snake oil.

>>61480970
I did for almost a year, but recently visiting /g/ I decided to take a peek if anything had changed and honestly it's almost exactly the fucking same. It's absolutely sad.

I just wanted to discuss good sounding headphones with cute anime fans in these threads but the shitposting makes it too hard :<

>>61480948
Yes.

Just kidding, no. My transducer design is much better.

>>61480970
>>61481015
Being here since before the first /hpg/, it has always being like this, what usually happens is that the shitposting has peaks and valleys, it starts subtle, people buy it and argue over it, it then turns to a full brand war, it reaches a peak when the shitposting couldn't be more appearent, with people literally shiposting about shitposting, then it gets old, shitposters get tired and we have another short valley of good talks in which the threads last much longer.

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Why aren't you listening to speakers right now?

Fostex T50RP MK3 (swapped pads) or Monoprice M560 (sans covers)?

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>>61481386
I am anon.

>>61481413
>Monoprice
Will break quickly.

>>61480895
Were you referring to the HD600s? Did you misread my post?

>>61480917
Such as? Comparables at the price range? Thanks in advance

>>61481555
Not him. HD800s is a model. It is different from HD800. He did not mean the plural of HD800.

Should I get a headphone amp/DAC in addition to an audio interface? Are there any audio interfaces with approved headphone amps? I'm currently using a Focusrite Scarlett but want to upgrade to a MOTU piece. Also want to get a great headphone rig going, but want to know if an audio interface headphone amp can match the quality of, say, a Schiit brand headphone amp/DAC.

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>>61481627
Forgot pic

>>61481627
Audio interfaces already are DACs, anon, adding more DACs to the line will do you no good.

>>61481675
Of course. But I guess I'm asking if "prosumer"/pro audio interfaces tend to have headphone amps and DAC on the same level as the standalones that people ITT would buy.

>Budget
£150
>Location
UK
>Source
Mostly Pc, but most likely Vita/Switch too
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed, I don't like people listening to my shit
>Comfort level
Irrelevant
>Sound signature
I usually listen to pretty much any kind of music, so I don't know. Plus, I'm mostly gonna use them for work, writing subtitles, so I'd like something that makes voices clear

I travel a lot by train, so if they came with a carrying case it'd be great

>>61482040
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyerdynamic-Custom-One-Plus-Headphone/dp/B00PK2LJ4E

>>61482069
Are they actually good? They looks like meme tier

i own a pair of HD600s and JVC MAHR77X . the JVCs sound better 99%+ of the time

>Shit selling a "USB interface" for $179
Are these guys fucking nuts?

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>>61482185
Basically DT 770 with removable cable and enough sensitivity/low impendence so they can be driven from portable sources.

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>>61482241
Not really.

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Idol trash here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

>>61482241
>>61482185
They're a lot better than DT770 because they lack ear-raping treble.

>tfw dont have golden ears and cheap anything sounds good

>>61482395
>ear-raping treble.
And that's how you know the difference between people expressing negative opinions and shitposters trying to bait.

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Looking at a pair of V-Moda Crossfade M-100's to get with my confirmed bonus next week. Already own a pair of Crossfade LP2's and love them so decided to get the next model. I was thinking I would probably also take a look at something else and don't know where to go.

>Budget
$500
>Location
North America/West Coast
>Source
various sources like PC, Android, PS Vita, Turtle Beach headphone amp
>Type of headphone
Full-Sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
negligible if the pads can be replaced
>Sound signature
bassy? I'm used to V-Moda Crossfade headphones since LP1
>Past headphones
Razer Carcharias
Plantronics GameCom 788
V-Moda Crossfade LP
V-Moda Crossfade LP2

I need new earbuds/IEMs for travel.

>Budget up to $200.
>Live in US
>Source will be a Google Pixel 3.5mm Jack mostly, rarely FiiO E10K
>Comfort is priority
>Sound signature maybe similar to that of K7XX, my current headphones

I really like how comfortable the Samsung Earbuds that come with the Galaxy S6/S7 fit in my ears.

Same with Sony MDR-ED12LP (Both pic related)
I don't know how to describe these but I'm looking for a new pair of IEMs/Earbuds

>>61482578
If you like bassy you could take a look at >>61482069.
At that price range though i'm not sure why you wouldn't go for something better + amp, big three, maybe HD650 since you like stuff with more bass.

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>>61482633
Woops forgot image

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>>61482440
It's true, though.

>>61481703
Not really, they are more for I/O instead of audio quality. It works but having a dedicated system for your headphones is a lot better.

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>>61480562

Have the ad1000x. I like 'em. Pretty good for weeb music. But I wonder if I should've I gone for gold and sprung for the ad2000x.

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>own an LCD-2 and an HD800
>90% of what I listen to is weeb shit
>when I have kids they'll look at my expensive headphones think I know a lot about music

>Budget
$150
>Location
Canada
>Source
PC
>Type of headphone
Closed, over the ear.
>Comfort level
Maximum
>Past headphones
Turtle beach x11/x12

Looking for a new set since my x12 died on me . Looking for a decent headset that goes over the ear with mesh and foam padding like the turtle beach does(for both the ear and the top of the head). I don't know jack shit about headphones so maybe I should just go for another x12 but what do you guys think?

>>61483076


i made this crap review before being shown this board had a general for headphones
>>61481402

>>61483179
>shitty retard gaming headset
Any good open headphones with a large, angled driver and free Razer Surround software will provide similar positioning performance with far superior overall tonality.

Whats the next step above MSR7s?

>>61483242
stop using pretentious words and tell me what to try. Do any of the headphones i mentioned in that review meet anything you said "open headphones with a large, angled driver"

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>mfw a friend of mine spends several hundreds of dollars on headphones just because /g/ says they are cool and he can't even tell the difference between each headphones he has bought
>mfw he's a neet and his mother pays for them

>>61483328
>pretentious words
...
>GOOD open headphones with a large, angled driver
AD700x are open headphones with a large, angled driver, but they're not good since they have no bass.
>tell me what to try
Philips SHP9500 + V-Moda BoomPro is the go-to headset right now. It should work well with Razer Surround.

>>61482800
The 2000 pretty much just has a stronger type of magnet I believe. Also I recall one online reviewer saying he didn't notice a difference between the 1000 and 2000. I paid $220 for my 1000 new, I would have had to pay more than double that for the 2000.

>>61483363
i noticed the AD700x have no bass. They also barely want to stay on your head. I only had to test them out for 5 mins before i hated them. The revolvers are VERY open sounding and they DO give me the best positional sound of the 6 headphones i have used. the DT 770 pro are also pretty good but the sound difference to me in game was so minimal im going to return them as they are 60$ more and the hyperx cans are very comfortable to wear as well.

>>61482800
>>61483383
I should clarify I was referring to the 1000X and 2000X. I think it's worth mentioning people consider the older 2000 superior to the 2000X.
>>61483363
>>61483394
>no bass
Just put duct tape over the pads.

>>61483363
i will pick up the 9500s though and try them for myself. thanks for the advice. do not need the mic though.

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>>61483411
>Just put duct tape over the pads.

>>61483434
Satania a cute. A cute!!

Below were some recommendations I got before and I'm still torn. I already have open headphones, but I need a decent closed headphone for when I need noise isolation.
>E-MU Teak
>TH-X00
>Oppo PM3
i was about to drop money for the Oppo PM3 until I learned they're more like on-ears rather than full-size headphones.

Are there any other recommendations around this price range? Maybe I should spend more or look at cheaper options?

why are sennheiser pads so damn expensive, replacement hd650 pads are like $50

also, are the k712's worth it for serious gaming? I've been hearing excellent things about their soundstage but I already own some fidelio x2's

>>61482800
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/296402-a-look-at-the-audio-technica-ad1000x-and-ad2000x/

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Are there any headphones with similar designs as these Bose headphones but with better sound?
I tried these out and they're comfortable as fuck.
Most iems hurt my ear after wearing them for a while but these felt great.

>>61483383
Good to know. I think I heard people say anywhere between a 1% - 15% potential improvement, but didn't think that made sense at double the cost.

>>61483434
The world's universal solution to everything is no laughing matter.

Alternatively, leather pads could be a thing if you're okay with the cost and other sounds changes.

>>61483766
why not the K7XX if you're just looking for the exaggerated soundstage specifically? Seems like a better value compared to the pricey K712. Someone here will probably tell you to get the K612 for its neutral sound signature instead but that has a subpar earpad and headband in comparison along with attached cables.

>>61483766
If you didn't already own the Fidelio X2's I would say the K7XX line up is very much worth it for gaming.

AKG K7XX line up will have slightly better soundstage.
However the X2 is already a great gaming headphone. So it really isn't worth it for the side grade.

>Budget
$300
>Location
US
>Source
SMSL M3
>Type of headphone
Open
>Comfort level
Comfier the better, but I can deal with a pad change
>Sound signature
Warm; bassy?
>Past headphones
m40x, dt770, fidelio x2

Basically looking for an x2 alternative. Loved the soundstage and bass, but everything else just seemed off or grainy.

>>61483903
HD650

What's a good OTL amp for my new 300 Ohm Sennheisers?

>>61483903
if you want warm, bassy and smooth the hd650 is literally perfect for you

hurry up and buy the hd6xx while you can, it's a $500 retail headphone for $200

>>61483903
>>61483934
Or HD6XX if you're willing to wait for it to ship for a cheaper price.

>>61483903
HD 650 or K7XX/K712

>>61483938
Get a Schiit Stack, it's more than enough power to drive them

could i make money buying HD6XX / TH-X00 and reselling them after the drop ends (unopened)?

>>61484012
I don't want a Schiit Stack, I want an OTL amp.

>>61484021

I doubt you'd make money reselling the 6xx because there's so many now, massdrop literally reopened the drop like 3 times but maybe?

>>61484024
Pretty sure schiit sells an OTL tube amp.

>>61484024
I've been hearing good things about the Darkvoice or if you have the dosh a bottlehead crack

>>61484021
If you modded the TH-X00 to have a detachable cable and kept the 6XX BNIB, I could see the potential to resell for what you paid for or just under that +-$50 to $100

>>61484021
Yeah, maybe for a profit of $30 or so. But just why?

>>61483938
A schiit stack will give you plenty of clean power. But if you want even more fidelity buy a matrix hpa-2/3 or a bottlehead crack if you're willing to shell out a lot of cash.

>I specifically want an OTL amp
I'm of the opinion that amps do make a fairly significant difference in sound quality. But buying tubes just for the sake of buying tubes is a horribly misguided approach. There are solid states that sound warm and OTLs that sound cold.

But if you're dead set on getting an OTL just get a Crack. Personally I wouldn't spend that much until I had at least an HD800 or a T1.

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>Schiit Eitr
>shit eater

Does anyone make headphones with 60mm drivers? Maybe 70mm?
I'd love to get my hands on 100mm drivers but I don't think anyone makes those yet.

>>61484128
It's funny because that's why you are when you buy into their memes

>>61483934
>>61483940
>>61483942
>>61483959
why not 579

>>61480800
This is so true. Just take a look at the recent multi-bit discussions where it's so fucking easy to A/B between regular Modi and the multi-bit version and yet /hpg/ insists that they all sound 100% the same as your shitty motherboard DAC.

>>61484131
If you can find a pair of Sony MA-900's, they're open back 70MM drivers.
>>61484160
>Fidelio X2
>I loved the bass and the soundstage

>>61480265

Really the only ones that are High impedance are the ones that are open back I dont have issues with any of the three Closed back cans i have the Pioneer monitor 10 II Pioneer monitor 10 and Pioneer SE-505

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>>61482310
Hola.

Stanton Dynaphase 60? Supposedly they came with 90mm drivers although I don't imagine they were ever incredibly popular.

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>>61484194
Hey,
Still excellent taste, I see.

>>61484160
Because you could get an HD6XX for only a little bit more, and it'd be worth the wait.

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Does anyone else have my problem where the bits that plug into the individual cups tend to not sit in properly and your have to push them in hard to get sound and then they move and fuck up again?

Why does it take so long for them to point this out?

http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/have-we-become-schiit-shills.4754/

Redpill me on Tube DACs.

>>61484442
because they're super best audio friends, nice people.

>>61484432
Try a new cable. HD 600/650 cables work on HD 25's.

>>61484472
Tubes are amplification devices, and have no place in a device designed to take a digital signal and convert it to analog.

>>61484515
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/aune-t1-se-headphone-amp

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>>61484024
Valhalla 2 is crap, forget about it. Poor tube complement.

I would get either the BH Crack 1.1 with Speedball or if you can swing more moolah, the Feliks Elise.

>>61484515
That's just theoricrap. If only if you actually listened to some tubes, you'd stop posting your objectivist garbage.

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>>61484347
Thank you. :3

>>61484696
>If I want a good product I literally have to build it myself
Poetic

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>>61484770
I'm into yozora myself, but I do appreciate sena too.

(pic only remotely related)

HE-400i $210 free shipping

I'm not buying that though.

>>61484859
>paying $210 just to roll the dice

>>61483076
Sennheiser PC37X on Massdrop. Doesn't sound like you actually need something closed-back.

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>>61480537
Hello /hpg/. Anyone has a photo of correctly wired German Maestro headphones drivers?
I had to replace cable in them before few months ago, and it seems like I wired right driver wrong.
These headphones have single ended cable going to left driver.
Yellow is R(+), Gray (connected to red) is L+. Brown, which is connected to Blue, is -. It seems strange to me that left and right driver are wired different, with left terminal being - and right terminal being + on left driver, and the other way on the right one.

>>61485190
http://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_polaritycheck.php

maybe that would hep

>>61484859
I had the 400i for a while, the trebles sounded very very strange to me. Bass and mids were great and full though. Still would not recommend.

>>61485731
I would imagine all those magnets and metal surrounding the diaphragm would do that and fuck up the imaging as well.

>>61485765
I can't really recall how the imaging was but I think it wasn't worse than average. The soundstage wasn't huge but it was definitely more open sounding than my Audezes.

My complaint was that it just sounded incoherent overall. It definitely did have some punch and kick to it though if you're into that.

I thought the HE-400 was supposed to be good though

>>61486236
I dunno about the original 400 but I promise you the 400i is really underwhelming. People just hype it because it's a cheap way to own a planar magnetic.

Still considering buying this Aune T1 if nobody has a recommendation for a $200~ Tube DAC

someone find me a lossless /HQ version of this pls

>>61487580
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBzUfjkdPq4

>>61484769
I've built tube amps for shits and giggles, and I know what tubes do and how they sound (I'm an electrical engineer).

It's not that tubes are always snake oil, it's the fact that you shouldn't be using them in fucking dacs. Preamps? Power amps? Integrated amps? Sure.

A fucking device that has one job that shouldn't involve any boost in gain or voltage? No.

Finally my akg k612 that /hpg/ recommended arrived to replace my broken audio technica headphones

I like the headphones however I have a problem with the headband pressing really hard on the top of my head, is there any way to fix this?

Right now I'm wearing them with the headband back so they are only hanging by my ears however its kind of uncomfortable

>>61487685
Won't a dac have a preamp before its user-facing output?

>>61487693
The headband elastic loosens over time in the meantime you can put some fabric around it to make it softer.

>>61487709
The headband is made of leather on these headphones

>>61487719
The elastic in the auto adjusting mechanism of the headband

>>61482633
kz zs5

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Does anyone here own a pair of HM5?
>neutral sound
They're not neutral at all. I find the treble to be extremely harsh on these. Is there anything I can do to fix it? Equalizing doesn't seem to work, the sibilance is still there no matter what. Should I just send them back and look for something else?

>>61483022
>implying you will ever have kids

>>61487976
There are mods you can do for example:
https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/unleash-the-full-potential-of-your-brainwavz-hm5-or-fa-003-with-mods.615030/

>>61488025
Already saw that. I don't think it's worth it. The difference is negligible and someone said it made the highs sound even more harsh. I also tried foam on the drivers, didn't help.

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if your headphones aren't even see through then get out of my face

>>61488231
>falling for the electrostat meme

>>61488231
>640x480
>1.17mb

>>61480707
Are you talking about HD600 or DT880?

What AKG headphones have the most AKG sound? Sennheiser's are HD650s (veiled with mid-range), Beyerdynamic's are DT990s (V-shaped as fuck). But what about AKG? K701?

>>61488585
K702 would be the equivalent mid range to HD600 and DT880

treble or as people say "analytical"

>>61488465
Probably DT880. The midrange in the HD600 is very flat and good, so sibilance is highly unlikely.

>>61488231
>paying more for less
dumb nigger

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>pleather padding

>>61488680
>wanting your sweat to soak into the pads

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>>61488680
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSfbb3WHClE

>Budget
$500
>location
Australia
>Source
Samsung S8+
>Open or closed?
Closed, dont want niggas hearing my shit at the gym.
>Comfort level
as comfy as possible
>Sound signature
why pick anything BUT neutral?

>>61488868
With a $500 budget you could probably do CIEMs which are great for active people,. But you'll need to take a trip to the audiologist.

>>61488868
A closed, neutral, high end pair of headphones that can be diven by a phone is a hard pick
SoundMAGIC HP150

>>61488868
I think you'd be better off with IEMs for gym use. Are you sure?

>>61488868
>gym
>headphones
Disgusting

>>61480537
I want to lick her feet

>>61488637
read: >>61480654

>>61489349
So yeah, they got memed by DT880.

>>61489368
>The hd600s are a meme that only populates garbage threads like this.
>The hd600s are a meme

>>61489379
>hd600
>meme
heh

>>61489394
objectively the case when every /hpg/ thread is basically /hd600 general/ now

>>61480573
HD580

>>61489394
>Rolled off treble
>Awkward upper mid spikes before treble nosedive
>Low sub-caste

They're a meme. They're decent headphones but overpriced and not neutral like /hpg/ claims

>>61489557
DELETE THIS

HD 600 IS ENDGAME

Any decent mid-tier headphones that has balanced sound? I had DR150 a few years back that was great but the build quality was shit.

>>61489557
>HD600
>overpriced
heh

>>61480633
M8 you can pick up HD650s on ebay for £200, and you'll get them before fucking Christmas.

>>61489736
>$300 for a headphone made in 1992 with those sorts of FQR problems.

Heh

>>61489796
>$280
>for something that's better than anything else short of actual monitoring speakers
>despite being from 1997
really makes you think

>>61489817
>$300
>For a headphone that gets BTFO'd by closed back studio headphones
>That gets BTFO'd by audio Technicas open back offerings

Really makes you thunk'd

>>61489851
>pretending there are better headphones than HD600

>>61489878
Pretending there isn't and being this level of shit posting summerfag cancer

>>61489928
Not an argument.

>>61489928
How do I join the plebspotters guild?

>>61489939
See>>61489557

>>61489946
Make a trip, carry the torch of hornloaded.

>>61489950
>>61489736

>>61489557
Which better headphone do you recommend, then?

>>61489975
Audio Technica ath-ad1000x offer flatter treble and less upper mid bumps than the hd600s.
Hifiman seems to be in the same boat, the he-400 is good value for the money.

Want something that's 1/5th the price and still offers the open back experience? Try the status audio open back studio headphones. I have the closed back model and they're excellent, so I can only imagine the open back also sounds excellent.

>HD600 shills getting destroyed
nice thread to wake up to

>>61490066
>ath-ad1000x
heh

>>61490066
>I have the closed back model and they're excellent, so I can only imagine the open back also sounds excellent.
How gullible are you really?

Good AEs around the 50 bucks mark?

>>61490264
>Spend $50
>Get headphones that sound better than most cans below $200

They're a great company. I got a pair of headphones that sound better than the ath-m50s and dt770s with a detachable cable for 1/3rd of what those cans cost.

>>61490585
>they sound better!!
heh

>>61490066
Not really. You'd be far better off with an HD558.

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The headphone era is over lads, this is the new endgame

Should I be using this bauer crossfeed thing?

>>61490604
>heh
heh

>>61490461
Status audio Cb-1s with the coupon code they end up between $50-60.

Sennheiser cx 1.00 vs cx 3.00?

>>61490895
Why do people keep on making products that enable niggers to be obnoxious? This is like shooting yourself in the nuts.

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>>61482310
Same stuff as usual, Anon, will probably not change soon.

>>61491322
Are you sure you want to know the reason why? Perhaps you are already aware of this, but the truth hurts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpODYhnPEo

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so i recently purchased campfire audio andromedas and onkyo dp-x1a to go with it but the iems are coming today while the dp-x1a's are coming next week. all i have to plug the iems in are my iphone/mac on spotify premium and was wondering if i should wait for the DAP or go ahead and listen to them right away. thanks for the advice!

>>61490964
http://superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/advanced-crossfeed-dsp.762/
The Dropbox link in that thread has the best crossfeed available. It is the only crossfeed I am aware of with zero effect on frequency response. Its default setting is fine; set gain to -4.8 for maximum volume without clipping. It will clip above -4.8. Flat frequency response and -4.8 gain setting verified with VST Plugin Analyzer.

>>61491968
The campfire audio stuff is sensitive enough to play just fine on those devices.

>>61480573
HD650

Anybody own the Beyerdynamic Byron? Are they any good ?

>>61491988
Thank you. If only I could figure out how ti install this to foobar.

>>61492237
http://www.yohng.com/software/foobarvst.html
Install this first. Instructions are on that page. Then use the VST wrapper to load the .dll in the zip file in the Dropbox link in >>61491988
The gain will sometimes reset itself to default value; remember to set it to -4.8.

>>61492306
Thank you, Anon.

>>61492318
You can also use it with MPC-HC if you use that. Set MPC-HC to use ffdshow audio instead of LAV audio then use VST Host v1.1.6 for Winamp under ffdshow audio's Winamp 2 option to load the .dll. It won't let you change the gain, so compensate by setting ffdshow's volume setting to master volume 7 dB.
I find crossfeed nice for anime/movies because it places the voices more "in front" of you.

>>61491999
would a dac/amp be optimal for these tho?

>>61492362
I've been using MPV for a while now. Sorry for being bad at computers.

>>61492370
I've read you can use bs2b with mpv but I don't think the available Windows builds have it built in. You'd have to build it yourself with bs2b.

>>61492433
No idea how to do that, and I don't really want to shit up the thread.

Any good chink portable speakers that would sound as good as JBL?

>>61492472
The next mpv thread on /g/ would be the place to ask although they may just laugh at you for using Windows.

>>61492366
You probably won't need an amp as they're pretty sensitive. A DAC would be the logical purchase.

>>61492629
More than likely. It's not that big a deal.

>>61480633
I own and prefer the 600's but the current price is insane, I bought mine for 220's and I know for a fact that they sound better than the 650's. But if you can get the xx's for that price then go for it. Hang on, I don't know shit about massdrop but I thought only americans can buy from there?

>>61480573
Honestly, the 650.

>>61484442
I've always maintained that their forum is like Head-fi but with different flavours so it's always amusing to see them make fun of the latter when in reality they are a different side of the same placebo-sensitive coin.

>>61492926
>I bought mine for 220's

Meant £220

>>61480766
I agree. I barely come here anymore partly because of this, but mostly because my setup is pretty much my end game. There's always an autist or two ready to jump on you the second you claim one amp sounds better than another. As if you couldn't possibly hear a difference and the only difference is in your mind, 100% of the time.

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>>61493118
If you can hear a difference between your amp and a Magni 2 then your amp is less accurate than the Magni 2.

>>61493138
Kumiko is way too cute.

>>61493138
What makes you think that the Magni 2 is a paragon of neutrality?

>>61487585
I can play most of that myself and it's lossless in my mind ;) Seriously though I don't know where you can find it. It's not on spotify that's for sure.

>>61490066
HAHAHAHA

>>61493175

He can't afford anything more expensive.

>>61493138
What? where did I mention the magni 2? funnily enough I do own one though. In my case my magni sounds better than all of the other amps I've ever owned, such as the e10k, fulla 2 and o2. I'm not going to go into detail, because that's my whole point about this board. Some autist (possibly you) will not accept my opinion.

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>>61493234
Delete this

>>61493301
>I can hear a difference between Magni 2 and O2
No, you can't.

>>61493301
>My low end amp sounds better than these other 3 low end amps

>>61493364
Yes. What's your fucking point? I have never said a word about more expensive amps before because I have never tried one.

>>61493342
Thanks for proving the original anons point lmao

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>>61487580
>>61487585
https://my.mixtape.moe/ilheqh.flac

>>61493500
I'm not the anon who asked, but the other that replied to him. Thanks for that :)

>>61493433
His point was "waaaaaaah why aren't you all placebophiles like me?" Because we're not retards.

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>>61493545
You're welcome. I wouldn't mind listening to the album myself, so I tracked it down, which ended up turning out to be an APE file of all things.

Will SHP9500s benefit from an amp?

>>61480537

I use a Philips Fidelio x2 with an Beyerdynamic USB soundcard.

>plus an Antlion ModMic

I had a Beyerdynamic headset before that, but my ears started to hurt from the "beyerpeak"

>>61493749
You can benefit from an amp's analog volume control knob since digital volume control typically lowers signal to noise ratio: http://www.esstech.com/files/3014/4095/4308/digital-vs-analog-volume-control.pdf

>>61493778
>but my ears started to hurt from the "beyerpeak"
This is very common.

>>61493749
You'll get a nice volume pot and, if you do the smart thing and get a usb dac+amp, you'll also have a source that sounds good regardless of what computer you plug it to.
Whether you'll get any benefits besides the analog volume pot depends on how bad your computer is and how much your headphones do want an amp. The SHP9500, not much.

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>>61493778
>Beyerdynamic USB soundcard

What a shame.

>>61493683
Where did you find it? also is that amp clearly better than the magni 2 with those headphones? it looks like a beast anyway.

>>61493799

I havent _heard_ about it before I experienced it, sadly.

The DT990 was really comfortable to wear though.

>>61493829
I also have a pair of K240s, which I hear an amp helps with a lot. I'm not really sure how to tell how shit my PC out is, there's no hum or buzz or any thing.

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>>61493831

Got a decent alternative in the same price and size range?

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>>61493871
If you're going with poorfag tier headphones, you're probably best saving money for when you can buy something high end (such as HD600, k712, some funky planar or the like).
Transducers matter way more than amps and dacs.
Once you have one of these, however, it'll be time to get one trusted source. Note something like a fulla 2 will suffice for 9999 out of 10k headphones out there.

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>>61493833
>Where did you find it?

rutracker

>also is that amp clearly better than the magni 2 with those headphones? it looks like a beast anyway.

Clearly better? Debatable; the difference isn't huge. Better? Yes.

>>61493987
>rutracker

I bookmarked this site a while ago and never got around to using it. I'm guessing you have to sign up to get the most out of it?

>the difference isn't huge. Better? Yes.

That's enough for me, all differences are tiny at a certain point. I won't be buying one though, it's too big for me and seems a hassle to buy. It looks brilliant though.

>>61493908
Latter were a gift recently. ;_; Didn't buy them myself.

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Is there a specific name for headphone like the VE Monks or the apple earbuds that sit in the outer part of your ear (but don't go in any further- no ear tip)?

>>61493882
That thing looks like it belongs in the bargain bin. What's the price range?

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>ask a million questions about this amp
>still haven't got a Y/N answer as to whether it's worth buying

>>61494176
>tube
Not worth buying.

>>61494113
How good are those apple ear pods? nearly every single normie has them with their iphone. Aren't they supposed to be pretty good? as in the latest beats are 'pretty good' despite the price?

>>61494184
Tube DAC, in case you were confused and thought it was a tube Amp. I'm not sure if the tube is the first thing the signal goes through or if it goes through it right before the amp, but it's supposedly part of the DAC circuit and not the amp circuit.

>>61494176
>Mini tube thingy dingy

Probably not m8 tbqhwy

>>61494212
>tube
Not worth buying.

>>61494212
That honestly sounds even worse

>>61494064
Oh, I don't speak Russian, so I don't know. I just searched for it here, and used the magnet link:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Ryuichi+Sakamoto+%22playing+the+piano%22+site%3Arutracker.org&t=ffab&ia=web

>seems a hassle to buy.

Slightly, but it's worth it once you get your hands on it.

>>61494212
It's a meme but if you believe hard enough it will sound much better and not like a waste of money

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>>61494089
They're good for the price, nice gift.
But yeah, what I said applies. You don't have any high end headphones, so you shouldn't be thinking about amps and dacs. Use your money efficiently.

>>61493987
>Better? Yes.
lol no

>>61494212
I'll say it once I'll say it again. Avoid dacs that use tubes in the circuit. If you really want tube sound, go with a tube amp.

>>61494240
>>seems a hassle to buy.
>Slightly, but it's worth it once you get your hands on it.

Don't tempt me you bastard.

>Oh, I don't speak Russian, so I don't know. I just searched for it here, and used the magnet link

I didn't think you did speak russian, but cool. is the site that good then? do you often search for harder to find music, or films this way?

>>61494300
What's the best value tube amp on the market then? I'll also need to buy a DAC to go along with it.

>>61494204
They're okay. Pretty much what you expect them to be- good enough to enjoy music while your moving around, but worse than cheap IEMs. I use them whenever I'm watching youtube etc. because I dislike the way ear tips feel, but whenever it comes to music, I use my IEMs.

>>61494322
why do you want tubes so bad

>>61494337
They glow and look pretty and each one has different sonic qualities.

>>61494322
Little dot, schiit, and dark voice offer well designed tube headphone amps.

Bottlehead crack if you want something endgame but it's $$$$

>>61494137

I find the sound quality quite nice. Its Sold out everywhere too.
40€

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>>61494352
>each one has different sonic qualities.
Unless the tube amp is really bad that shit will be inaudible. The only audible difference you'll get will come from the output impedance if your dynamic headphones have a steep impedance swing

>>61494322
>DAC
fulla2. It's a dac+amp, but it has two dac outs that don't pass through the amp. Very practical device
>tube amp
If you wanna play with tubes, grabbing a vali is an option.

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>I consider aesthetics when purchasing home use only audio products

>>61494330
Thanks

>>61494281
The Magni 2U isn't bad at all. It just isn't quite as good as the amp in the NFB-11.

>>61494318
I've only downloaded albums from there before, but there seems to be a good selection

>>61494408
The NFB-11 isn't good, at all. None of the audio-gd products are.

They are the Little Dot of solid state amps.

>>61494359
>Crack
It's like $200, $400 if you want the upgraded one.
It doesn't really seem much more expensive than the other options, aside from the fact you have to build the fucking thing yourself.

>>61494404
>I have autism and wear new balance dad mode sneakers

I don't disagree with you. But shut the fuck up.

>>61494318
Oh, and there's also some stuff on https://musicflac.net/

>>61494417
What makes you say that?

>>61494404
If it doesn't look good what the fuck is the point?

>>61494408
>I've only downloaded albums from there before, but there seems to be a good selection

Thanks. I'm going to use it throughout the week and see how it is.

>>61494437
>What makes you say that?
The entirety of their consumerbase being audiophiles who believe in gold contacts on toslink cables and pebbles to make things sound better.

Every audio-GD product that gets measured turns out to be crap.

>>61494430

Hilarious!

no clue about audio equipment
bought a dac/amp combo and sounds okay I guess.

now I want to buy new headphones, but how do I calc what the amp can drive?
I want to check before I get some high impedance headphones which I can't use with this thing first

>>61494437
Bookmarked. Thanks friend.

>>61494422
The upgraded version with speedball is absolutely necessary in my honest opinion. That being said, if you know how to solder it's worth the time and effort.

Multibit is a meme and you can't hear it.

>>61494463
What dac/amp combo did you get?

>>61494461
Like your clothing. Prove me wrong.

>>61494504
TEAC AI-101DA

also, is it worth it getting an optical audio cable when it's already connected via usb?

>>61494529
>also, is it worth it getting an optical audio cable when it's already connected via usb?
No

>>61494463
Buy a fulla 2. It's a dac+amp and it should be more than good enough for you. It will drive pretty much any headphone that you will be looking at. DThe headphones choice is obviously up to you. You need to do some homework on it. Try buying from amazon, as you can easily return electronics back to them as long as they're the actual seller. They even send a courier to your house to pick it up for free most of the time.

I need headphones that wont make your ears sweat. I will be using them for casual use and gaming. My ears get sweaty super easy. Ive used HyperX Cloud IIs and Beyer Dynamic DT880 and they both make my ears sweat really bad.

What can you guys recommend for me? <$200

>>61494460
>The entirety of their consumerbase being audiophiles who believe in gold contacts on toslink cables and pebbles to make things sound better.

I don't know what you're on about. I'm not a believer in any of that sort of thing.

>Every audio-GD product that gets measured turns out to be crap.

The only one I know of that measured poorly was that R2R DAC, the Singularity 19, which is a lemon from what I've seen about it. That doesn't speak for every product they make, though, and there are pretty much no companies in the audio business that have a flawless track record.

>>61494587
If open headphones with velour earpads like DT880 make your ears sweat I honestly don't know what won't.

>>61494574
>>61494529
That said it seems you already have a good amp. Just spend some time looking into headphones and see what sound signature suits your preference. Then try and narrow it down.

>>61494604
How can you know the product is good without measurements?

>>61494587
>DT880
>Open
>makes my ears sweat really bad
Nothing will help you if you're sweating really bad with open velour. Try looking into IEM's.

>>61494609
okay, nice

so I don't have to limit myself to 40 Ohm cans?
Think I will get ~250 Ohm and try a couple different out then.

>>61494616
Is that what this is about?

>>61494587
>DT880
The sweat was a stress response to the excessive treble.

>>61494675
There is no evidence of audio-GD products being good, they look terrible and they're overpriced.

Just because you fell for it doesn't mean you should try and trick others into doing the same.

>>61494616
Not him, but how can you know the company is trash when you clearly have never tried one of their products?

>>61494512

Jokes on you.

>is nekkid

>>61494499
This is accurate.

>>61494695
The absolute fucking state of you.

>>61494695
Sorry you feel that way, Anon. I don't think you'd hate it if you tried mine out, though.

>>61494696
I have tried the NFB-28

>>61494705
you win

>>61494757 new thread

>>61494732
>audiophoolery
>paid for it, so it must sound better
>justifying purchase this hard

>>61494732
I can smell the buyers remorse from here already.

Enjoy your glorified onboard audio chipset.

Man, Schiit really isn't remotely affordable if you live outside of the US.

>>61494587
Damn, i live in a tropical country and i don't sweat with the DT880, how hot is it where you live?
Keeping windows open and maybe a table fan could help.
About the headphone the only idea i currently have is getting an iem so you have as little as possible touching your skin.

>>61494780
>>61494800
It cost only a few hundred, and it does make a difference with my HD650. Not like I went and bought an Yggdrasil or something.

>>61494872
>and it does make a difference with my HD650
Compared to what, not listening to the HD650 at all?

>>61494804
I got my schiit from the uk. It's more expensive, sure, but it's still highly competitive.

>>61494885
Compared to both on-board audio and the X-Fi Titanium sound card that I used it with for several months

>>61494957
Congratulations you can get that same difference from this https://hifimediy.com/Sabre-9018-DAC

>>61494990
I don't think so. That doesn't include an amp with it anyway.

>>61495100
It has a 3.5mm socket, are you retarded?

>>61494957
Idol trash here.
My onboard, xfi titanium and xfi titanium hd (both pcie) are TRASH compared to fulla2, nevermind schitt stack.

>>61495108
It's a DAC. It says right on there that it can push the HD650 to only 103 dB. I use EQ and that isn't nearly enough. I appreciate your concern, Anon, but I'm already very satisfied.

>>61495183
>It says right on there that it can push the HD650 to only 103 dB.

Actually, I misread that. Regardless, it wouldn't have enough power.

>>61495183
>Features
>Sabre ES9018k2m DAC chip and SABRE9601 headphone and line out driver, SA9023 USB receiver chip

What the fuck do you think the SABRE9601 is?

>It says right on there that it can push the HD650 to only 103 dB. I use EQ and that isn't nearly enough.

You should have said you had no idea what you were doing in the first place.

Actually no it was my mistake for not assuming when you said you owned an audio-GD product.

>>61495219
I had skimmed through the specs. Relax. It still doesn't perform nearly as well for my needs.

>>61495300
You really should stop posting you manage to embarrass yourself even when you're anonymous

>>61495314
Quit shilling your poorfag DAC

>>61495325
>he said while trying to shill his chinese poorfag garbage because he has buyers remorse

>>61495314
Have you actually used an HD600 or 650 with it?

>>61495337
That was a different Anon

>>61495365
>Have you actually used an HD600 or 650 with it?
They run fine from an iPhone 5 I don't see why they would run worse with a more powerful amplifier.

>>61495219
>poopy stinky poorfag is mad that he can't afford nice things so he shoves his stinky pseudoscience in peoples' faces

>>61495416
why don't you post your system i'd love to see what you consider 'expensive'

>>61495378
Oh, I don't doubt that it'd be okay for some people, but it definitely wouldn't have enough power for me

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>>61495426

>>61494113
They're ear buds.

>>61492366
You've got to be careful of the output impedance of whatever you plug it into, I've heard that their sound changes a lot depending on the output impedance.

>>61489557
This is true desu.

>>61495491
That USB card got gimped about a year ago.