/pcbg/ - PC Building General

feels nice that we can finally let the thread reach page 11 peacefully without people trying to hijack the OP with their own stuff or anything
no more fighting for early threads, just a peaceful thread death

>>61446048
>upside down and mirrored

what the fuck.

any suggestions for good colorometers for monitor calibration?

>>61446089
Maybe AMD stopped paying that moron

>>61446554
If you are going to get a 750 dollar GPU, spend the extra 200 for a G-sync monitor.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L3hPBP
Anything I'm doing wrong? Anywhere I could save money? This is my first build, hence why I have peripherals in the list.

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Are pic related worth the extra $20 over link below?

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-4x8GB-1-35V-CMK32GX4M4D3200C16/dp/B071QWWMGL/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1500426515&sr=8-4&keywords=32gb+3200+4x8

32GB 3200 4x8 (for quad channel RAM)

>>61446585
placeholder for now, i wanna see how vega plays out before i buy anything

>>61446624
We already know how it is going to play out. It is not going to be in competition with the 1080ti. If you are deciding between the vega and 1080 sure. But you have the 1080ti so it is clear that whatever AMD releases isn't going to match the 1080ti

is it worth waiting for coffee lake?

>>61446646
1080 does seem like the more reasonable now that i think about it, might as well wait.

>>61446656
Yes. It has lower clock speeds than Kaby Lake, but that's because it has six cores now rather than four. Combine that with slight improvements in IPC, 50% more threads, and sup to 4.5GHz boost frequency, and you get something that will run circles around Ryzen 5.

>>61446757
BUT will it burn down my house?

>>61446733
Yeah. If you are going for the 1080, it is worth waiting. The 1080ti will remain unchallenged.

so if ethereum plummets, will GPU prices go down?

>>61446770
Fuck no, that's a meme being spread by AMDrones about a completely different platform
Cannon Lake is based on the LGA1151 socket and chipset, which is more mature and stable than anything AMD has to offer on their AM4 socket.

>>61446809
>cannon Lake
is on a different socket.
Intels history has them replacing sockes every 2 generations of processors (so every 2 years).
Guess what time it is?

Have RAM prices gone up recently?

>>61446818
They're testing and validating all of their Cannon Lake CPUs on existing Z270 motherboards. This didn't happen with Haswell or Skylake because there was a socket change. Shill harder.

>>61446861
coffee lake isn't cannonlake

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Im building a pc on my own using used parts for one game:

Corsair CX 400 - $30
HP Pro 6300 - $100
gtx 550 ti - $30

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Can anon help me run 1 game for a budget thats like about $200

>>61441759
>>61441796

Sorry for late reply, I asked that before work and I just got home.

I get the picture, faster ram and no bundled psu and case.

replaced the psu with a nice seasonic. and got some 3000mhz ram.

I am skittish about pirating windows 10. I have done it but only for a laptop that no one uses.

Though I guess my main question is, what's a good cheap case? Doesn't have to be small, though usually the smaller the cheaper.

>>61446048
how is an i5 much worse than an i7 for 144 Hz, considering they both have the same number of physical cores, and achieve pretty similar clock speeds. I bought my i5 6600k about a year ago, because i was upgrading from a 2500k

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>>61446048
How the fuck do I choose between a case like the Silverstone - RL06WS and the Define C?

Sure, cooling vs sound dampaning, but then again, do you REALLY need those few degrees cooler and does 2-7dba really make a difference when you have a headset on?

>>61446601
you can get a modest overclock with the stock wraith cooler and x370/high wattage psu isn't necessary unless you go for sli. w10 can be had for free as long as you don't activate it.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8k4DgL

What happens when you install a CPU cooler on too tight?

>>61446048
>Amazon has no idea when an item I ordered will be restocked
How can there not be at least one person who could check. Guess I'm gonna have to suck it up and get a different GPU at this point.

>>61448254
strip the screws.

>>61448120
Look at the KL07 also.
And the Corsair 400Q
And the Pure Base 600.

>>61448315
That's it? Cause I noticed my CPU temperatures were flacutating too much so I resat it and it was still jumping like crazy. So against my better judgement, I tighten it down real hard and the temperatures are now much more stable but I fear the physical damage of tightening it hard. Normally I just tighten till I am required to use force. For this reseat, I gave it one more good turn after reaching the point of using force.

>>61446048
I made a build with 8 core's, 24 GB of ram and a fairly decent graphics card build for 250$
r8
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Qzbvyf
The only thing I didn't include was a hard drive because I already have one and I'm fairly sure everyone here does as well.

>>61448361
I've seen those too, I just have no clue which one, or if there's really any reason to pick one over the other than magical look preference.

Would it look better to pair a white/grey MOBO and stuff with a white case or black case?

>>61448364
>>>61448315 (You)
I've fiddled with my cpu fan / heat sync out of paranoia and broken cpus that way. I could picture you breaking pins / warping motherboard.

>>61448463
But if it works at the moment that means it is fine right? Breaking pins is not a gradual process right? I am not too worried about warping motherboards since that is the reason you have backplates for.

>>61448463
what happened was there was too much thermal paste and it stuck to the heat sync and I reseated it and accidently bent a shit ton of pins (AMD build)

>>61447961
So glad eMachines is dead, fucking faggots made the worst systems

>>61448501
I am not too worried about that. I reseated it and it works (for now). What I am worried about is the effects of tightened CPU cooler over a long period of time.

>>61448494
>But if it works at the moment that means it is fine right? Breaking pins is not a gradual process right? I am not too worried about warping motherboards since that is the reason you have backplates for.

if its fine now I'd just leave it but know you're stripping screws when you do that

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>>61446048

just built my first PC

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 2GB
MB: ASUS B350 Prime
RAM: Crucial Ballistix 2400MHz
HDD: 1TB Barracuda
SSD: Samsung 128GB
PSU: Thermalite 650W RGB Modular
CPU Heatsink: Coolermaster 120 Lite

Have my CPU overlocked to 3.8GHz @ 1.325V and my RAM overclocked to 2666MHz 18-18-18-18-40.

Very fulfilling to have built it by myself and learn all of the overclocking procedure (not that its hard) and jargon.

>>61448532
Alright. Thanks familia.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01FX2KS6U/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This a good card?

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Semi-build related, but how difficult is it to replace a PSU fan?

Mine is making a light scratching / squeaking noise which is annoying the shit out of me. There's been no crashes or anything because of it though.

Only thing I've tried doing is opening up the bottom fan grate and trying to get rid of any dust. This didn't help at all so either the bearing is busted / needs lube or the fan is dying, I'd prefer to just replace the fan.

Is it ever easy enough to just unplug the old and plug in the new, or do I need to fiddle with wires / do soldering?

PSU is a Antec 520W HCG, never completely opened it up before.

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>wanting to refresh my system
>looking at just doing a fresh new build
>Went intel this time, so checking out Ryzen benchmarks, seems OK to me
>Start looking at GPU benchmarks because I hate Nvidias general faggotrry
>see this

WTF has AMD been doing all this time? Is this site lying to me or has AMD been totally unable to surpass the goddamn 7970 in terms of price/performance? I REALLY don't want to buy an Nvidia card, just on principle, but I might have to.

that being said, how IS Ryzens single core performance? Been emulating a lot of PS2 games.

R3 1200 + GTX 1050 or R5 1400 + 1050ti

>>61447961
If your budget is really low just but the dell optiplex 755 for about 50$ on ebay then buy a GTX 750 or something similar and slot it in. No need for PSU upgrade/

>>61448741
R5 1400 + 1050ti

>>61448120
pls respond
I'm madly autistic and need help

>get mobo to post
>open axmp and get QVL ram to 3200
>save and reboot
>no post, CPU and Ram debug light on
>realize im fucking retarded and have the power and reset pins flipped - 5+6 and 7+8 instead of 5-7 6-8
>flip them correctly
>pull CMOS and wait

So this front pin shit is isolated right? And the post issue is likely just a xmp?

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My friend is selling me Asus motherboard, 24gb ddr3 ram, fx processor 4.8 ghz, 500 gb hardrive, 2 radeon 7000 series graphics cards for 300 dollars. Worth it?

>>61448921
Nevermind it's fine

>>61448960
>radeon 7000
I wouldn't pay $1 for anything that had those pieces of shit.
Literally any and I mean ANY onboard graphics is better.

No, the only thing he is selling that might be even usable is the case, but odds are it's heavy, outdated, has bad airflow, etc.
Garbage.

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Guys I'm building a PC, I'm between Msi Z270 M3 and Gigabyte Z270 K3 which one is better?

Also Im going to use x2 RAM 8gb Corsair 3200 Mhz but not going to OC anything, is there any issue with it?

I'm retarded and put my r5 1600 heatsink on "backward", can I just flip the fan instead of the entire heatsink?

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>>61448535
>GTX 960 2GB

>>61448960
>>61449061
https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/HD77702GD5/
just got informed that the cards are these in the link with crossfire

>>61448697
RMA it

>>61448737
did you mess up? the latter obviously

>>61449228
>asking people if they messed up when i messed up myself
lmao sorry>>61448741

>>61449177
Out of warranty, it's about 4 and a half years old.

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Which one do you think I should get and why? Any improvements that I should make? I'm not concerned with the pricing, and I don't want a ryzen.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tbpg7h
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wTwPBP

Also, if you have any reccomendations for which 1080 ti I should get.

>>61449291
Either deal with it or get a new PSU. Opening up a PSU is the quickest way to fuck it up and destroy your entire build

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>>61448737
OK, so I think I just answered my own question. either GPUBoss is completely full of shit and biased to hell or AMD somehow hasn't made any advancements in GPU tech. either way I think I'm just gonna stick with AMD.

>>61449315
Haven't really heard much about opening up a PSU destroying your build after putting it back together, just that when you do it just make sure you don't get electrocuted by the capacitors which could still be holding a charge.

It'd suck to discard a perfectly fine PSU because the fan is squeaky / going bad.

>>61448535
Congrats! Seems like a pretty cool system. How much did it cost all together?

will ryzen 1600 run the sims 3 good enough?

>>61449339
>GPUBoss
Use Userbenchmark or Passmark

>>61449380
yes.You'll have no issues on the CPU. You do need to choose a powerful enough GPU though. According to the spec, the game requires a video card with 128 MB vram... so any modern video card will do. I'd get an RX 550 or 560

>>61449380
1050 or 1050 ti
or like a used gpu like a 290x or 970

Is it worth getting a 120 or 240 GB SSD only having a motherboard with SATA 3 Gb/s?
Won't the SATA speed bottleneck the SSD?

>>61449573
Yes but its random speeds won't be bottlenecked and that is what you'll be doing most of the time if it's a boot or application drive.

>>61449130

ik, bought used for free tho. Will upgrade during the holidays most likely.

>>61449368
After rebates and local deals, about $500. Got the GPU for nothing from a friend.

Is it typical for ambient temps in the case to be 10 degrees higher than the room's temperature?
Room temp is around 23c and the case sensors read around 33-35c, cpu idles at the ambient temperature.

>>61449702
>Is it typical for ambient temps in the case to be 10 degrees higher than the room's temperature?

Of course, even idle your PC components generate heat while there's nothing in your room doing so unless you have a heater on or it's hot outside.

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should I really care about dual channels for my ram? also should I go for 1 8gb ram stick or upgrade to 16 now, would i ever need more than 16 for vidya and basic shit?

>>61449870
If you can afford to get 16, you should probably go for 16.

>>61449393


For all 3 sites you might as well throw darts at a dartboard and whatever number you get is your arbitary performance figure.

>>61449870
16gb is becoming the standard. A lot of games benefit from 16gb vs 8gb already including running dual vs a single stick. Ram speed also comes into play but go for 2x 8gb 2k+mhz right now if you can.

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I suck at cable management, suggestions?

Thermaltake v21 meme cube case, side panels will have dust filters and not be that visible, window will likely go on top.

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>pg35vq doesn't hit til christmas
>just have a measly TN panel sitting here
>cheapest non-shit contemporary alternative is 600$

>>61450090
>2k+mhz
>Not 2+Ghz

>>61450172
You could just be less autistic and it'll be fine.

>>61450148
should have gotten a corsair air 240. smaller, but more cable routing and cooling options.

>t. someone who wasted money on the v21

>>61448771

Thanks Anon Its just to play killing floor 2

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Did a bit of study and probably will make when prices lower but what yall think of this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f6yfzM

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Was thinking about buying one of these. Any thoughts?

>>61450202
>corsair air 240
fuck that looks way better

>>61450383
>Any thoughts?
I'm amazed you could find T1000 parts. Skynet is amazing

>>61428785
I bought the 1080. I thought I'd be disappointed in myself for spending so much more than I had to but I'm actually looking forward to it.

>>61450413
lol you could have ordered the 1080ti then pretend like it was stolen mate
That's what I did

>>61450402
I basically searched for "big stupid cooling system"

>>61450413
Why buy the 1080 now when the Vega is coming out in 2 weeks?

>>61450426
Someone asked me that exact question 3 weeks ago.

When is the best time to buy a GPU? Should I just wait for Volta?

>>61450449
Right now, it looks like your best bet is getting lucky on Cyber Monday.

>>61450449
Post vega launch.
If vega is good, then you can buy vega cheaper and save money with a freesync monitor. If it isn't, the 1080 isn't going to get more expensive and it might even get a price drop.

>>61450259
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f6yfzM
Not bad on a budget, if you do wait it out for the meme ram prices to level off (q1 2018?), you may be able to get a 1050TI for the same price

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>decided to update drivers
>suddely getting screen flickers all over the place
yeah nvidia surely doesn't gimp their old products. fucking hell AMD hurry the fuck up with RX vega.

and yes i've already used DDU and reinstalled drivers, going to roll back to older drivers in a bit.

>>61450483
Is this the AMD damage control team?

>>61450193
>just be less autistic
>just

>>61450383
>cheap-plastic marketing shapes
>rgb memes
that's a good goy

>>61450490
no an actual nvidia customer whos getting fucked in the ass. but hey if i rollback drivers and its still flickering then i'll have a chance at getting an upgrade RMA, which i'll then sell for RX vega.

>>61450490
it's well documented that nvidia gimps their drivers. The point is to force you to buy a new GPU every 2 years.

>>61450537
The effects are the same but the reasoning is wrong. They don't gimp their drivers, rather they don't optimize their new drivers for older cards.

I currently own a GTX 1070 is it even worth upgrading to the TI/1080/Vega over SLI 1070 in terms of $/performance.

Have games gotten a lot better at actually benefiting from SLI or are like 50% of modern games still shitting the bed with SLI.

>>61450528
>Nvidia has bad drivers
>AMD has good drivers
I am 100% sure you are an AMD shill. Fyi, I own a 390 and they still haven't fixed the dual monitor idling issue which has been present for FUCKING YEARS and reported year after year after year.

>>61450558
SLI/Xfire is a huge meme. Don't ever do that unless you have money to burn.
Otherwise give resolution, framerate and settings you play at so we have an idea if you should upgrade or not.

>>61450558
If you got your 1070 before the prices blew up, then no.

Also, the 1080ti's price:performance was shit even before the GPU shortage.

>>61450563
i never said AMD has perfect drivers but nice strawman you're using there. all i know is the 380x i bought for my brother is working flawlessly while the 980 i have is shitting the bed after a driver update.

>>61450602
Prove it

Is it a bad idea to use an old Samsung 830 128GB SSD (5 years old) as a dedicated OS drive for a new build? Would I be better off getting a new small SSD with better specs?

>>61450573
1440p/90hz

I have problems hitting that with modern games which is why I was thinking about upgrading.

>>61450578
Had the first 1070 for a very long time.

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>>61450624

>>61450668
On the highest setting? Of course. Even my 1080ti struggles with 1440p Ultra on some of the newest AAA games. Try turning down a few settings but if you must have 1440p/90/Ultra, wait for Vega and check the benchs.

>>61450563
be glad that is the only issue you had
if you had elpida memory for your VRAM for any 200 or 300 series you had a good chance of getting a random freeze
no BSOD
no warning whatsoever that shit was going to crash
just a frozen fucking screen

>>61450693
Highest when possible, which is usually not often. I'll wait to see how Vega fairs.

>>61450764
Vega performs like the 1080. Check out r/amd. All that is left is the pricing, heat and power performance vs the 1080. If you are going for the 1080ti, no need to wait for Vega.

>>61450790
That's disappointing. So I guess my only option is to either get 1080 TI or curse technology for not being good enough.

>>61450840
You can wait for volta which is Q1 2018. 1070 is still a very good card and the difference between Ultra and high quality is really minuscule at the moment.

>>61449299
Anyone have any input?

>>61450851
Yeah but it just kinda sucks to have this goal you can't quite reach. The 1070 has put a lot of work all year and was thinking I could get some extra juice from upgrading or SLI.

That said have been reading the thread and I'm seeing how fucked GPU prices are so now is probably not a good time to buy a card anyways.

>>61450891
Actually you can sell your 1070 for an inflated price (depending on where you live and what price you bought it for) and buy a 1080 for a nice upgrade at a minimal cost.

Is there any 144hz monitor brand or model that is clearly superior to other ones in the 23-27 inch range? Or are they all mostly the same nowadays in terms of color quality.

>>61450933
Acer and Asus "gaming" brands are the high end ones.

I have GTX 1080 Ti en route.
Currently have i5-4460 on ASUS B85M-G - this is the next step in upgrade.

The immediate questions is: Is 550W PSU enough for now?

Any recommendations for CPU + MB upgrade? I'm pretty much only using desktop for games so I only need CPU good enough to get everything out of GPU.

>>61446554
Looks solid

How can I avoid static shocking my parts?

>>61450933
Color quality is a meme.
You are not going to notice the 1-2% difference between mediocre panels & ULTRA-ACCURATE-COLORS bullshit monitors.
That's why they sell colorimeters.

The 'better colors' on most gaming monitors these days comes from the much-improved viewing angles for IPS panels.

If you want an image that's -noticeably- better that isn't just an angle improvement, you have to go VA, which comes with ghosting issues for the deep blacks.


>are they all mostly the same nowadays
yes. they all use the same (bad-qa) IPS panel or its sister.
you'll have to dig into the specs to find one that's different. Or change size/shape.

If it helps, asus has the best on-board ui atm, but the others are starting to copy them so eh.

>>61451017
What about TN vs IPS? Is it noticeable if you stand in the front?

>>61451055
View angles and true color representation mostly.

Will a gtx 1060 6gb handle 2 1080p 60Hz monitors?

>>61451010
grounded buttplug

>>61451127
Yes. A secondary monitor is next to nothing in terms of resources for a GPU. Running things on both monitors is another issue.

>>61451055
It really depends on the two monitors.
If they're both good, you'll be hard-pressed to see a difference.

>>61451148
What about having browser on one with different stuff like videos/streams/discord and a game on the other?

>>61451171
That is on your CPU and RAM rather than your GPU. Unless you are playing a game and then playing another game since both will use GPU resources. Rendering 2D images isn't resource heavy. Go use 1 screen and watch videos/streams/discord on it and monitor your GPU usage.

I can get a used AOC G2260vwq6 for 80€, is it a good deal? I can make use of freesync.

>>61451185
16GB (2x8) 2666MHz DDR4 Ram + i5 7600K (Not OC for now) will be fine?

>>61451275
More then enough although I used to have an i5 and have ran into dropped FPS when streaming twitch source quality + playing intensive games.

>>61451289
Ah fair enough, thank you.

>>61451234
Eh google says that'd be a little below retail in the US.
Somewhere between ~10-35% off (92$ vs 102-150$)
A deal, but nothing to write home about

Looking to build my first PC after some ps4 fuckery making it impossible to play online. I've ordered a case and CPU.

I'm going to wait until prices drop then get an RX 470, but should I just by some cheap as shit GPU for now? I reckon it'll be months until prices drop.

So since my GPU is out of stock like everything else and is preordered to be sent when its in stock again, can build my PC for now without a GPU and use it? (Not Gaming)
And lets say I use the integrated graphics from the CPU, is there a chance to damage the CPU if the game is too heavy?

>>61451393
No. The program will crash or it will simply run at a fucking poor rate.

>>61451405
No for the building the PC without a GPU or for damaging the integrated graphics?

>>61451345
Are you in europe? German amazon has the 470 for cheap on preorder, they don't know when it will be in stock, but you can cancel the order if you can find something better in the meantime.


>>61451393
Ryzen has no gpu so you need to go Intel to do that.

>>61451422
Yes I will be using Intel

>>61451421
The latter

>>61451435
So its fine to use a system without a GPU, right?

>>61451010
Touch the grounding pins on the outlet once in a while and before installing the CPU

>>61451449
What outlet? The power outlet on the wall? That sounds dangerous

>>61451393
No, but games will run like absolute shit on intel iGPU

>>61451432
>intel chip with amd gpu
Blasphemer

>>61451463
Who said anything about AMD GPU

>>61451461
Ah I see, as long as I can build it for now without the GPU and install it later when I have it, its fine for me

>>61451474
>posting without reading the reply chain
>>61451345

doing a budget build for a friend

AMD Ryzen 5 1400 4x 3.20GHz So.AM4 BOX
MSI B350M PRO-VDH AMD B350 So.AM4 Dual
8GB Crucial CT8G4DFD824A DDR4-2400 DIMM
1000GB Seagate BarraCuda ST1000DM010
120GB SanDisk Plus 2.5" (6.4cm) SATA 6Gb/s
3GB ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1060 AMP! Edition
BitFenix Nova Midi Tower ohne Netzteil schwarz
430 Watt EVGA 100-W1-0430-K2 Non-Modular

thoughts?

>>61451502
Check where >>61451432 was replied friendo.

>>61451515
I must have gotten confused, sorry.

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>>61451460
One of those things if you're european

>>61451511
1060s are overpriced lately, how much will you pay for it?

>>61451538
Do French outlets have them?

>>61451502
what's so bad about using a intel pentium and an rx470

>>61451460
>touching ground wire sounds dangerous

>>61451010
I heard by touching radiators can help, but not sure if its true

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>>61451556

>>61451542
€ 238,90

>>61451574
If you have your PSU installed and plugged in, all your case is grounded, so any part that's metal and not painted will do.
This works even when your psu is switched OFF as long as it's plugged to the wall and screwed in the case.

>>61451449
You can also touch anything else thats grounded, like a plugged in electric device with a metal case
For example your PSU

>>61451626
The cheapest ones are 270€ where I live so that's acceptable given the current crazy prices.

>got a p400s for sub 100aud
Awwwwyis. This build is slowly seeing the light.

>>61446381
Fucking Aussie posters

>>61446796
No
>>61446829
Yes

>>61451571
I don't know shit about electricity

>>61446796
Etherium prices plummeted this weekend and made no difference. A few used GPUs went up on eBay, but they were still way over MSRP and you wouldn't want to buy a used GPU from a random miner anyway.

>>61451875
Etherium is slowly rising again

>>61451571
I don't know shit about electricity

>>61451616
Which part do I touch?

>>61451875
it won't be eth fluctuation that will get prices back down, coin mining is here to stay.

What will do it is new tech coming out specifically for miners such as we saw for bitcoins (or make gaming GPU's purposefully awful for mining somehow), or for the suppliers to hugely ramp up their production.

Former would be best case scenario, latter would not work too well as miners would take advantage of ower prices and just make more mining rigs.

>>61451910
The circled one

>>61451929
Somehow I didn't see it the first time I looked, thanks for helping me out.

>>61451886
Oh yeah, I forgot to add that ETH has already gone up by like a hundred bucks since then. This downward trend across all cryptocurrencies seems to stem this Bitcoin protocol change coming up at the end of July. Once August hits and people see the change didn't ruin the cryptoeconomy, it's fairly likely even more people will try to get in on it.

>>61451922
>What will do it is new tech coming out specifically for miners such as we saw for bitcoins (or make gaming GPU's purposefully awful for mining somehow)
GPUs are already ill-suited for Bitcoin mining, and we've already seen specialized mining hardware like Antminer. Etherium is just a new popular currency that GPUs happen to be well suited for over other components.

OEMs are talking about creating GPUs aimed at mining rather than gaming, since miners typically undervolt their cards anyway. This'll result in cards that are both more cost-effective for the miners as well as the manufacturers themselves, since less of both parties' money will be "wasted" on a GPU core that's overkill for the job the cards are being used for.

>>61449299
>>61450854
Well if you're going with LED MEME 9001 like it seems you are, Zotac 1080 Ti AMP! Extreme is a sexy beast and keeps itself cooler than any card out there that I've seen. Only downside is it won't sync with your ASUS board. If you want Syncing, go ahead and get an ASUS ROG 1080Ti.


Heads up though, both these cards are going to sag so I suggest a bracket or something. If you're going to water cool these later and fuck with voltages, the Zotac has the best power delivery system.

>Have preordered a new GPU on amazon since June 12nd
>Still not in stock
Please help

>>61452038
Should note, both these cards should light up on boot and be controllable inside of their LED control software. If their options are greyed out (Zotac's Spectra tab inside of Firestorm or the AURA option for the ASUS) and the LEDs aren't on, just instantly RMA the card. Something is dead on the card that controls LED. It happens, RGB LED meme is in its infancy.

>>61452038
Sag is pure aesthetic. If you don't have a windowed case, I won't care much about it.

Question, my GPU will arrive later than everything else, can I use the GPU of my prebuild PC that I got on it until the new one arrives or will it bottleneck?

>>61452761
Of course you can, bottlenecking is only a problem if you intend to heavily game with it. What's the GPU of your prebuild?

>>61452874
AMD Radeon 6450
The CPU is i7 7700K

>>61452917
It'll be the bottleneck but nothing wrong with building it still to see if everything works properly and then swap the GPU which is a very easy task to do

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r8 pls

>be quiet! Shadow Wings SW1 140mm mid-speed
>LDLC QS-650+ Quality Select 80PLUS Gold (manufactured by seasonic)
>Corsair Vengeance LPX Series Low Profile 32 Go (2x 16 Go) DDR4 2666 MHz CL16
>MSI GeForce GTX 1070 ARMOR 8G OC
>Corsair Carbide Quiet 400Q
>Seagate BarraCuda 4 To (ST4000DM005)
>Samsung SSD 960 EVO M.2 PCIe NVMe 250 Go
>AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Wraith Spire Edition (3.0 GHz)
>Noctua NH-U12S SE-AM4
>Gigabyte GA-AB350-GAMING 3

>1 866,48€

>>61452940
Yeah the thing is I don't know when the GPU will be delivered and I was wondering if I can use it until it comes, which might be like a month+

>>61452960
Well yeah but you won't do much intensive gaming on it, or if you do you'll have to play at very low settings if not lowest.

>>61452044
Nothing you can do about it, they'll continue to sell to faggot miners and people who have had their preorders in place for an eternity. Right now I'm pretty sure it's still profitable to buy GPU's from retailers and eBay them.

>>61452948
usage?
Would like price of each component too

>>61453003
What about games that use the CPU more than the GPU?

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>>61453026
Unless you're playing horifically optomised trash like GTA4, there's really no scenarios where a 7700K is a sane pairing with a GPU that shit.

Take a look at pic related, your GPU is 1/7th as fast as a mid-grade card from 2011 (the 560Ti), you're effectively pairing the best gaming CPU you can get at the moment with what people typically use when their motherboard doesn't have enough video output ports.

Stop being cheap and pick up a 2GB 7850 on eBay, they are like $50.

>>61453175
>my GPU will arrive later than everything else

Oh, I'm dumb.

Yeah, it'll work fine for the time being. Should make for some pretty fun benchmarking too, GPU utilization is unlikely to ever be below 100%.

>>61453019
UE4 + games + VMs + linux shit + prog + watching porn
Linux will be the main system and i don't don't want to upgrade anything for the next 6 years

>be quiet! Shadow Wings SW1 140mm mid-speed | 18,95*2 = 18,95€
>LDLC QS-650+ Quality Select 80PLUS Gold (manufactured by seasonic) | 99,95€
>Corsair Vengeance LPX Series Low Profile 32 Go (2x 16 Go) DDR4 2666 MHz CL16 | 299,95€ (fuck you ram)
>MSI GeForce GTX 1070 ARMOR 8G OC | 529,96€
>Corsair Carbide Quiet 400Q | 99,95€
>Seagate BarraCuda 4 To (ST4000DM005) | 133,96€
>Samsung SSD 960 EVO M.2 PCIe NVMe 250 Go | 124,96€
>AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Wraith Spire Edition (3.0 GHz) | 339,95€
>Noctua NH-U12S SE-AM4 | 69,95€
>Gigabyte GA-AB350-GAMING 3 | 129,95€

>1 866,48€

>>61453175
>Unless you're playing horifically optomised trash
Well thats why I wanted to know, considering I will play a CPU hungry game.
>>61453195
Okay but another thing is, would it be better to use the integrated graphics from the CPU rather than the old GPU? Or is is the same thing.

>>61453257
>would it be better to use the integrated graphics from the CPU rather than the old GPU
Try it yourself, I would think the iGPU on the CPU might be a bit faster, but it'll still be total shit.

>>61453287
Well by using the iGPU it will wont be bottlenecking the CPU, right?
So its better to use that instead of the old GPU.

>>61453317
Bottlenecking isn't a problem in itself, it just refers to the problems of lobsided builds. It's not like you check your CPU usage, see it's 100% and be like 'oh no I'm bottlenecking!'. I don't think Intel HD graphics applies any extra load to the CPU than a dedicated GPU would, but I'm not sure.

Stop worrying about stuff and just suffer out your crappy performance for the week or however long you've got to wait for your proper GPU.

>>61453362
>for the week
More like a month.
However thanks for telling me, I will check both and see which one works best.

>>61453400
>More like a month.
You haven't gone and done something stupid like preorder a RX card, or a 1060, have you?

They'll never come, ever, you'll be waiting till the end of the year.

>>61453408
I am not going lower than those and if one of the the higher ones get cheaper I will just cancel the preorder and order that instead.

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I need a microphone for gaming, but I don't own nor do I want to own a headset. I listen to everything on little IEMs and don't plan on changing. That means I can't buy some kind of velcro mic to stick onto them. What kind of desktop microphones are good for gaming? It needs to be able to pick up my voice at a reasonable distance, ~2-3 feet away, while also not transmitting my super loud
cherry blue mechanical keyboard.

The only thing I know about microphones is that the Yeti Blue has high ratings on Amazon.

>>61453421
You're wasting your time waiting, it'll get to the due date and they will extend it. You're better off buying used or just buying whatever different one is actually in stock. e.g. if you preordered an MSI 1060 just get the EVGA 1060 if it's in stock.

>>61453440
>gaming
>>>/v/

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>>61453452

Oh fuck off don't even try to pretend 99.9% of posters here aren't building PC's explicitly for the purpose of gaming. Nobody would be obsessing over CPU and GPU benchmarks otherwise.

>>61453448
>if it's in stock.
If it is then its at the price of a 1070 which I can't afford, I have no other choice except to downgrading, there isn't much I can do.

>>61453510
What's your budget, and what country are you in?

>>61453530
UK and I already have everything except the GPU which was 250 pounds.

>>61453562
There's a 1060 in stock on Overclockers?

It looks like a pretty shit cooler, but a 1060 uses no power at all, so even a crap cooler should be near silent under load.

>>61453619
Need a 6GB dual fan one.

>>61453635
Oh yeah, it's only a 3GB one which would be shit.

Well it's a pretty shit situation I guess. If it were me I'd just buy a 980Ti from eBay. If you have to buy new, 290 quid is still peanuts for the amount of power a card like that has, seems kind of pointless to me to wait a month to save like 50 quid, but it's your money.

Don't be surprised if you don't get it when the preorder says it will come though.

>>61453674
I mean I already accepted the fact that I have no other choice, thanks for trying tho.

Hello,

I should build a budget gaming pc for a friend. He wants to play games like GTA 5 on high or mid. I just found an used pc online. It has a Xeon X5660 @4.2GHz with a Corsair H80, 12 GB DDR3, GTX 1050TI and a 2TB HDD in a Fractal Design R4 or R5 for 470€. Is this good? I am concerned about the Xeon as it is a old Westmere but it seems pretty solid.

>>61453784
>xeon
>games
Usually nah, but at that price it's pretty solid.

I need a new CPU (motherboard too..) been using an i5 2500k OCd to 4.2ghz for 4 years now. Looking for a good CPU for some development work and a bit of gaming, been thinking about ryzen; but people say it's bad at compiling, is that true? Are there any good intel processors currently?

>>61453440
Yeti Blue is a condenser mic I'm pretty sure. It'll pick the fuck up like every ambient sound you do, especially your keyboard.

Look into getting a dynamic mic. The cheapest setup would be a Shure PGA48-XLR($35) and a XLR to USB for like $10.

A better set up would be something like:
Sennheiser E835
connected to a Presonus Audiobox interface
(Optionally a pre-amp)

You won't get that super warm radio sound you would with a condenser mic but you also won't pick up keyboard sounds, AC, every fucking sound that bounces off your wall.

>super warm radio sound
I'm kinda curious about this, you got any comparison?

Hope this is the right place to ask, I'm not a /g/ native.

I recently moved and the new place has lots of thunderstorms and unknown power outages and it's pretty tiring. So I'd like to pick up some UPS's for the house, I don't know what to pick up.

I have a business PC with a big printer in one room, and a pretty big gaming PC and the cable modem in the other. I'm just uncertain what a good brand is and what size I'd need.

Any help appreciated, thanks!

>>61446048
Are tempered glass cases a meme? They look pretty but what about their sturdiness for long term use?

>>61454000
this is assuming you have a good setup
mic > pre-amp > interface

but just look up any mic + test and you'll see. Also I really stress the above about setup since a large part of how good someone sounds is usually in the pre-amp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM_r7eJEQH8

>>61453833
Yes I know that. Except for the E3 123x i think.
How long will the CPU approximately last? I am on a i5 3570k, it sucks in every new game and I don't want that to happen to anyone I get a PC.

>>61454528
>it sucks in every new game
It really shouldn't, there isn't much of a gap between a 3570K OC'd and a 7700K OC'd, unless it's some outlier case like Watchdogs 2 or some shit.

It looks like that Xeon has single thread performance a little lower than an i7, it should be fine really if he isn't expecting out of this world performance.

>>61446048
What are those things called in OP's pic holding the mobo?

>>61454253
Sturdimess? They will last for an eternity, unless you hit them with a hammer.

>>61454047
Whatever PCPartpicker says your build wattage is should be enough.

>>61453839
>people say it's bad at comliling
Shitposting memes, they are great. Get the 1600 or 1700 with a B350MoBo, don't go MSI. The stock cooler is great, will let you OC to 3.8 no problem.

>>61452948
I see a lot of premium(except the mobo) components in this. If this is what you're into, go ahead. But you could tradeoff some of the fancyness and get a 1080

>>61454752
screws

What is the best GPU to pair with an i3 540?

>>61453440
Just get a cheap clip on mic.

>>61454752
standoff screws?

>>61446048
I just build a new PC with the Corsair Carbide 100R case.
m I doing something wrong or are the sata data/power cables supposed to be squeezed to the point that I have to press against them in order to actually close the backside of the case?

>>61454925
>>61454857
No, the metal stand holding everything together.

>>61454926
It's pretty normal that fitting your door is tight, I have to lay my case on its side and press with both arms to close mine.

>>61454936
test bench

>>61454943
Thanks my dude.

>>61454942
Okay, I'm just worried that it will damage the cables. On my last PC one of the power cabled had a loose contact, making the drive randomly restart and corrupting some data.

Does anyone have any ideas for a decent build for around 900 bucks (not including monitor), making note of today's fucked up prices? I'd like to wait but I need one on very short notice.

>>61454982
I personally wouldn't consider a 1050ti "decent", and no build with anything better is going to be around 900 bucks.

That's just how shit is right now.

what 1080ti should I get?
want it to last a long time and not have any stupid LED's

>>61455206
Aorus and Asus Strix are best, you can turn the gay LED's off.

If you don't care about noise just get whatever is cheapest, they all do 2000Mhz and no more.

What GPU or CPU should I get for 3d rendering with blender and them sort of programmes? Can't find a decent website that can compare these so not sure what to look for. Under 400€ preferably

>>61455289
>Under 400€ preferably
For both?

>>61455230
I was looking at either the 1080 or 1080ti asus turbo card
is the ti worth it? I don't need 4k or vr performance, but I do need performance across all my monitors (lots of EVE Online clients)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mvhR3F
Amidoinitrite?

>>61455296
No just either a GPU or a CPU. Don't mind paying an extra bit for a new motherboard if it performs better

>>61455298
Head over to Techpowerup and compare their 'relative performance' charts and decide for yourself.

I don't really know what kind of load the scenario you're talking about puts on a card as I don't play EVE. If its just running the game on one monitor though it should just be the same as any other game at that resolution.

>>61455370
Also forgot to mention yhat i am adding a 256gb ssd and a RX 580 or GTX 1070 when they aren't overpriced and available

>>61455374
>Don't mind paying an extra bit for a new motherboard if it performs better
That would also most likely imply new RAM if it's a new generation CPU
What do you currently have?

>>61455399
my 480 can't handle 2 clients at medium-high settings (stutters sometimes, drops below 60fps quite a lot)

>>61455431
RX480 or GTX480?

If GTX it's probably running out of video memory I imagine, if RX, check CPU usage, a new GPU might not help much.

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>>61455450
rx 480

>>61455474
>xeon
Could be a CPU bottleneck, get MSI Afterburner installed if you haven't already and keep an eye on CPU and GPU usage.

>>61455499
He has 8 cores and 16 threads, granted it's two sockets but i doubt eve onling is pinning any of these threads at 100%

>>61455512
Games are optomised like piss, there's a reason the 7700K is dogshit in productivity but still on-top in most games.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mvhR3F
Pls reply

>>61455374
>>61455289

3d rendering programs (especially stuff like 3dmax) heavily favors intel because the programs are built around it. For example Ryzen 1800X performing pretty significantly worse than the 7700k in autocad/maya/3dmax/catia benchmarks.

Surpisingly Xeon doesn't do too well in a lot of 3d modeling/rendering programs. It blows the 7700k in certain aspect (mentalray, vray calculations).

As for graphics card it doesn't seem to really matter all that much. Any semi-modern graphics card performs about the same (GTX 1080 gains 3 fps in viewport over a 980).

tl;dr
Pick up a 7700k
A GTX 970 or other similar midrange card will be enough unless you are also interested in gaming or video editing.

>>61455537
>Games are optomised like piss
No they aren't.
>there's a reason the 7700K is dogshit in productivity but still on-top in most games.
And it's because it has enough cores and threads not to become a bottleneck and has these cores at very high frequency providing higher FPS than any other CPU
I have a feeling you're just repeating what you've read somewhere and if so please stop.

>>61455608
>No they aren't.
Yes they are.
>blah blah blah
Ok dude, if games cared about cores a 6950X would piss all over a 7700K but the simple fact of the matter is, it doesn't.

If a game can only use X amount of cores, the speed of those X amount of cores is pretty important.

>>61455589
>3d rendering programs (especially stuff like 3dmax) heavily favors intel because the programs are built around it. For example Ryzen 1800X performing pretty significantly worse than the 7700k in autocad/maya/3dmax/catia benchmarks.
I'm not exactly sure where you've seen that, care to provide sources?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11170/the-amd-zen-and-ryzen-7-review-a-deep-dive-on-1800x-1700x-and-1700/18
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/956-17/rendu-3d-mental-ray-v-ray.html
Because it really doesn't look like to be that way

>>61455634
You can't read and have 0 argumentation skills
I'm not sure why you bother to give your opinion even after that.
>If a game can only use X amount of cores
First off it's threads, you fucking retard, did you know SMT exists? X amount of core does not automatically means X amount of threads

>>61455656
Maybe go look up some benchmarks, after you've done that, consider suicide.

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What do you think
https://www.bol.com/nl/p/lenovo-ideacentre-710-25ish-desktop/9200000071379378/#product_specifications ?

>>61455425
I5-4460. Of course any new gen CPU would do better in this case. I know ryzen is pretty decent at rendering but not sure how much better it would be than a GPU at 3d rendering

>>61455684
Can't read, can't have his own opinions, can't argue
This is a thread aimed at advicing people, don't try to "help" people here when all you can do is spout bullshit
I mean fuck, the moment you saw the word "xeon" in his speccy, you immediately started considering the CPU(s) being a bottleneck even though naming means fuckall and all of what matters are specs
And then you go on to speak about "cores" in a discussion related to games spreading their loads on threads
Please leave this thread and this board.

>>61455636
Ryzen performs great when multi-threaded is involved (any ray based calculation, the same as xeon).

I was mostly looking at techarp and tomshardware
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951-9.html

(mostly the autocad and maya section)
but your first link is more recent.

Finished my 2nd PC build a couple days ago. When I press the power button to turn it on, it power cycles on and off for a couple minutes. After that it starts up like normal and I can use it fine.

Would appreciate any help or suggestions.

>>61455754
Reset bios settings and update bios
Power cycling is most likely the motherboard trying to apply an overclock and failing at it, then trying again and starting in default settings after a while

>>61455727
Stop commenting, you're embarrassing yourself dude. Typing out a bunch of long bullshit just makes you look like a high and mighty redditor.

Show me one game benchmark where a Xeon/Extreme Edition chip outperforms a consumer grade post-Sandy Bridge i5/i7, you wont find it.

Now I'm going back to eating my garlic bread, I wont be responding as I don't want garlic on my keyboard. Shut up and get off my board.

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>>61455785
someone is angry

Is Ryzen any good? I've avoided anything AMD related for years.

Surely that many cores is a meme, single threaded performance is far more important. No?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y9nHM8

Is this okay?
What mobo do you recommend?

>>61455824
Might want to shop around for that monitor, or run through SuperBiiz's checkout.

I ordered my R5 1600 from them "for $200" and at the last second got the cheapest shipping, UPS Ground for $15.

>>61455811
Many cores is indeed a meme but Intel completely stalled on the core count so their only worthwhile enthusiast CPU is the 7700k (though older i7s still count), anything else reaches 100% usage in CPU intensives AAA games (either in spikes or constantly) resulting in digusting framerate, terrible framedrops, and being forced to close the software you run in the background to reduce both of those
So yeah, 8 cores in gaming will provide 0 benefits over 6, but 6 over 4 does provide benefits: more headroom for background stuff and better frametimes
A 7700k will still provide you the highest possible framerate thanks to it's high frequency + ringbus (so Skylake-X's high frequency is irrelevant), but that's only relevant for 144hz stuff as any other CPU will do 60fps (or any $180+ CPU will do 120fps) without any difficulty

>>61455555
>rx 550
for what fucking purpose?
>hyper 212
price to performance ratio is pretty lame. I'd look for a better same-price cooler, or just buy the regular hyper 212.
Also get your ram in 2 sticks to use dual channel, it makes a good difference.
I assume you already own that power supply so whatever.
The rest seems pretty good I guess.

So I have pic related as my motherboard and want to throw this in there: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125813&cm_re=gtx_750_ti-_-14-125-813-_-Product

Are they compatible? I can't find a listing for this motherboard online to check and I'm not great with hardware.

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>>61456013
Pic related, sorry I'm retarded

>>61456013
If you have a PCIe slot it should be good to go.
Don't buy a 750ti new.

>>61456029
>H61
I can't see why not, so long as it has a 16x PCIe lane.

GPU is like 3 generations old though, check you can't get something better for the money.

I fucked up. I wanted to replace my thermal paste and it turns out my syringe is empty. How safe is it to run my PC without thermal paste till it arrives?

>>61456159
Not safe at all my dude.

See if you can't use a thermal paste subsitute, e.g. toothpaste, semen or peanut butter

>>61456159
It is the very definition of unsafe.

>>61456211
>>61456204
Why? The metal portion of the HS is still touching the CPU. Is that thin layer of paste going to be the difference between it running safely and not safely. It is going to be a week before the thermal paste arrives. Fucking hell.

>>61456229
>Is that thin layer of paste going to be the difference between it running safely and not safely
The answer that you don't want to hear?
It's that one.
Sorry bro. You can literally fry a chip without a way to transfer the heat to the heatsink.

>>61456229
It would probably be fine at idle but the second you apply load your shit is going to hit 100C and you'll come running back here asking why your PC smells of burning.

>>61456253
Fuck. I guess I will be without a computer for a week. Fuck. Where did it all go so wrong. Fuck my life.

>>61456288
If you've got old GPU's or shit sitting around you could rip one apart and use the thermal pads they have in them.

>>61454753
They're pretty but I'm afraid I might become careless and the TG break into million pieces.

>>61446048
R8 this build:

CPU: Ryzen 7 1700
GPU: Asus GTX 1070 8GB Turbo
RAM: DDR4 Corsair Vengeance 2400 Mhz 2x16GB
Motherboard: MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic
Case: NZXT S340 Black/red
PSU: Enermax Platimax 500W

I already have a HDD and SSD. Going for a mainly workstation oriented build. Any tips/suggestions?

Would it be worth building Intel/Nvidia after my first system was and still is an AMD? You know, for personal experience.

>>61456436
Wait for the next generation of GPU'S, they're only a month away and will be the same price as your 1070. Don't cuck yourself

>>61454864
RX 560/GTX 1050

So I'm a bit confused here

I have this one Gigabyte motherboard (a Z97-HD3) and right now I read something about dual bios in case that something fucked up happens.

Thing is, I read pretty much everywhere that in order to access that I need to press both the reset and power buttons at the same time for like 10 seconds or so. However, my case doesn't have a reset button at all, so no connector for that.

I suppose that means I should short the reset button pins with a screwdriver while pressing that power button? Or am I missing something?

>>61456436
Get faster memory t. Intel cuck

Why is ram so fucking expensive.

>>61456534
...nevermind, it does. Just that it's so small I have to use a tiny fucking screwdriver to push the thing.

When will part prices drop? I'm sick of seeing the 1080 card I want selling for 100+ MSRP.

>>61456436
Ryzen CPUs benefit from faster memory, 2400 is too low.

>>61455975
i am using it temporarily since mid range graphics cards are unavailable and ryzen doesn't have integrated graphics
What are good coolers with the same price?
I am adding another 8GB ram later

Is mining finally dead?

>>61455975
Also i Don't own that power supply. Is there anything wrong with it?

>>61456855
Actual retard

>>61456878
If only...

>>61457418
>>7400 - Cheapest quad core you can get
>7500 - Good but up to 7600k if you can
Yeah, nice thread, i'm creating a new one you fucktard

>>61457470
>>61457470
>>61457470

Here, real thread.

>>61457478
Remember yesterday when you said the same thing?
>>61422783
And no one ended up going into your dogshit thread?
Yeah, same will happen here

>>61455781
Thanks, that fixed it.

>>61449069
Go on the manufacturers website for the two motherboard. Compare specs. Go online and search for reviews

>>61455555

That build is so mismatched, what do you plan on using it for? You should just buy a laptop.

What gpu OR cpu can I get for under 400€ that would be decent enough at rendering 3d models and such via blender? Currently have a RX 460 and a i5-4460. They're just slow at doing stuff rn

What's stopping me from buying a pre-built gaming desktop if all I really need is a computer that supports at least 3 monitors?

>>61459098
A desire to save money

Looking to upgrade my PC lads, I only want a new GPU. Currently got:
>phenom ii 1055t
>4gb ram
>amd hd5770

I play at 720p and need somehting cheap (less thna 100€) and that will last me at lest 3 years

>>61459164
Originally I was going to put $3000 into a beefy gaming comp but recently I just haven't been into games as much and just want something that can support a few screens.