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>>61344650
Who is his semen demon?

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>>61344650
Why do girls always put heatsinks on their RAM?

>>61344686
It's me. Hi.

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>>61344715
hi femanon :3
I run arch linux.... buying gf, pls respond

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I want to have finished building a pc by August 14, when I move to a different city to go to grad school. I want an nvidia gpu for machine learning projects.

How long should I wait to buy? Will prices drop? Should I go ahead and get everything but the gpu asap in case something is broken or something?

>>61344956
Supposedly more 1060s will be in stock late next week on major sites. Check then and set some notifcations if you can, assuming a 1060 is enough for what you need. I dont know shit about machines learning

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Whats a non shit mATX AM4 board? I wanna build a qt Ryzen build.

>>61344980
You wouldn't happen to know if that extends to 1070s, would you? Basically a bunch of ML stuff is restricted to CUDA, which is an nvidia thing. There are workarounds, but having a powerful nvidia card is pretty much the best right now.

>>61345065
No idea but hopefully so. Sometimes amazon allows preorders.

>>61344980
I sold a 1060 2 weeks ago online and I got several messages from people asking if I have 10 more to sell

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>built my PC $1100 7 years ago
>never turned it off
>moved to the other side of the country and had my dad just mail the whole thing to me without even taking out the parts first
>can probably count on one hand how many times I've cleaned it since then, not even a proper cleanup just a quick vacuuming
>haven't replaced anything except the GPU, not even the thermal paste, CPU goes up to 80c-90c whenever I run games on it
>still never turn it off
>it runs like a charm and I never had problems with it

Am I just a lucky guy or are computers not nearly as fickle as people have led me to believe? I'm looking into replacing it now because the thing just feels old, and it is a bit noisier than I'd like I guess but it still runs everything well, so I don't even really need to do it, I just want something new.

are there any differences between the X370 and B350 MSI Gaming Pro Carbon except the SLI support?

>>61345210
That's normal.
The typical things like cleaning and replacing thermal paste etc are best practices but not necessary. Just recommended to prevent any problems.

>>61344650
Which case is the best between Entoo Pro M, Eclipse P400 or NZXT S340? Is it comes down to personal preference?

when will pcie gen4 enabled cpu roll out?

is there a tangible benefit from going for alc1220 over alc892

So I've finally put everything together, turned it all on, and reached

Reboot and select proper Boot device
or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key.

This is "insert win10 disc" right?

>>61345416
Don't count on on-board audio chip...
Buy a usb dac instead

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>>61344956
Here's my build btw, probably 1060 instead though. Anyone see anything wrong? Can it fit in a smaller form and still be quiet?

>>61345210
I work in a maintenance shop with two computers, a Core 2 Duo and a first gen i5. The computers have never been cleaned by the looks of it, there's a massive amount of dust and I seriously doubt they get any airflow really. They're still chugging along. You should clean dust and replace thermal paste about once a year or two for maximum performance, but PC's can take a lot of abuse before dying. (Dust in the power supply is probably the most likely thing to kill a PC)

>finally built a new desktop
>Win7 can't install because m-muh USB keyboard

Is openSUSE any good with Ryzen? I plan on doing web development with a bunch of node and npm crap, ML with Python, and RTS gaming with Wine.

I've got a budget of £200, stretching to £250 if needed. What's the best monitor for video editing. Total colour accuracy isn't required since it's amateur work, but it is a somewhat desired property.

>>61345445
I've come upon multiple evidence that contemporary onboard audio is very capable if you're not a audiophile with a $1000 9000ohm headphones

http://www.asrock.com/mb/compare.asp?Models=Fatal1ty%20AB350%20Gaming-ITX/ac,AB350M%20Pro4

Hey guys why is this allowed? ITX users get a powerful board with wi-fi, good audio, intel network controller, whilst we mATX users have to eat subpar shit.

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>>61345416
The board I have has an ALC889 chip and it sounds absolutely fine through a pair of MDR-7506s. Unless you're an audiophile autist, you're unlikely to notice any difference.

fuck ryzen and fuck antisemitism

>>61345582
delid this sentiment

>>61345514
but the motherboard have so many components, electrical signal could have some interference, for example the power supplied to audio chip can be a issue, can its DC voltage level keep a constant level?

What's a good mobo for R5 1600 and GTX 1080ti?

>hesitate because I don't know what GPU i want and want to have a somewhat balanced mATX 1080 rig

>come back 24 hours later

>every part is now 10$ more expensive or "will ship within 1-4 weeks"

Guess I'm waiting for vega. Fucking hell.

>>61345632
Almost all modern boards have electrically isolated audio sections.

>>61345426
You need some storage device loaded with an operating system. Be it a cd or usb. If you instert it and it doesn't do anything open the UEFI and check that it's recognized

>>61345789
Might as well wait for volta if this mining shit keeps going

>>61345776
Don't get ab350 gaming 3
Shitty vrm, poor oc

Can someone recommend me a banging AM4 cooler? It's for a 1700X and it is running a little hot I think.

>>61345893
Noctua

>>61345893
Thermalright grand macho

>>61345893
The NH-D15 remains the best air cooler on the market, should you want to pay that much.

>>61345933
>>61345956
>>61345973
Thanks y'all I think I will be doing noctua my deepcool aint cutting it shouldn't have skimped on a cooler :(

>>61345802
even on a single chip design, we have to check the power pin's position to make sure it can supply other function pin close to it, so if all the function pin signal transition at the same time (higher electric current required), still guarantee no fault will occur. And that is a chip level design, we now talk about board-level design, I don't think it is that easy...

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Any streamers want to help a guy out with a decent build for streaming both PC and console games?

>>61346068
Post your twitch

>>61346087
I stream on Hitbox

I just put together a Ryzen 1600X and MSI X370 Krait Gaming board. I have a stable overclock at 3.9 with multiplier at 39. All is good with CPU-Z and HW monitor showing all cores sitting at 3.9. I decided to try for 4.0 and bump Vcore up and multiplier to 40, but when I booted into Windows, HW monitor and CPU-Z shows all cores are locked to 2.2. This only happens at 40 multiplier and 39 multiplier works perfectly. Is there a fix for this in the meantime or do I just have to wait for MSI to push out a new BIOS later.

>>61346100
Post it

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yay or nay?
Mostly for recording and video/audio/picture editing. Maybe want to experiment with coding once I learn it.

>>61346068
>streaming
>guy
waste of time tbqhwy

just built my PC. have a msi z270 sli mobo. I-5 7600k. when I hit the power button the EZ debug led for cpu flashes for half a second then nothing happens. is it a bad mobo?

Finished my first build ever, yadda yadda.
Ryzen 5 1600, 3000MHz ish RAM, went into bios enabled X-AMP auto, reboot, no boot.

My debug LEDs are coming on indicating CPU and DRAM, but what do?
Mobo is MSI B350 Gaming Plus

>>61346128
>>61346219
now kiss

>>61346219
>>61346128

pull cmos and try again

>>61345471
What the fucking fuck, none of these Linux distros work with Ryzen either because unknown chipset!

How big is the difference in temperatures and noise between a Single fan and a dual Fan GTX 1050Ti?

>>61346219
Is the RAM compatible?
If no. Reset the bios and leave it.

>>61346347
It got into UEFI before fine, listed the full capacity and ran at ~2100

Enabled xamp, no post.

>>61346297
I've pulled the CMOS battery, booted, replaced, booted, nothing.

Would moving a stick help?

>>61346365
You didn't answer my first question.

>I've pulled the CMOS battery, booted, replaced, booted, nothing.
You are supposed to leave it for 5-10 minutes then replace it.

>>61346398
Depends on what you mean by compatible. I didn't have an OS installed yet but it certainly wasn't complaining about it before.

Will see in 10 minutes.

>>61346428
>Depends on what you mean by compatible
There is no depends. Is it on the QvL list or not?

It's booting and the OS is installing.

Thank you for the help, /g/.

>>61346447
No, but it posted fine before I enabled A-XMP

>>61346428
Ryzen is picky about ram right now. I have corsair 3200 ram on my taichi and I can't go above 2933.

>>61346467
It will take any ram fine but xmp is another story

>>61346467
>No, but it posted fine before I enabled A-XMP
Well that is the problem with RAM not on the QVL, they don't clock at the speed they are advertised to and when you try to, it gives you issues like not posting. If you manage to get your PC to boot, don't mess with XMP or RAM speed again and get RAM on the QVL next time.

>>61345468
If you aren't overclocking you should get the 1600x instead

What's the reason Ryzen CPUs are delivering better frame times than Intel CPUs? Well Skylake and Kaby at least. This is something pretty interesting I wish would be tested more often other than "who can push higher FPS".

>>61346499
>>61346490
Thanks, 10 minutes without the battery did it.

Any tips I should keep in mind going forward about messing with options around the BIOS?
I assume as long as I like flash a bad update or something I can recover from most anything?

>>61346760
*as long as I don't
I don't plan to intentionally go around flashing bad updates, or any I guess.

>>61346760
There is plenty of stuff you can fuck up in the bios. Like overvolting your CPU. If you know what you are doing then you should be fine. The Ryzen XMP issue is a pretty known thing.

>>61346782
I don't know what I'm doing.

But based on my mild understanding, overvolting the CPU will lead to instability right? At that point I'd definitely roll it back.

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How does this look?

>>61346832
Jesus

>>61346832
Shitty SSD, get a 850 EVO.
Shitty HDD, get a WD Blue or a HGST HDD.
Shitty GPU brand.
You dont need a 1Kw PSU.

>>61346867
I already own all of these so i don't know what you expect me to do?

>>61346867
>Shitty GPU brand

Yeah, PNY is such a shitty brand that they manufacture Quadros for Nvidia.

Why do people buy 1TB drives? Don't the 3/4TB HDDs have a lot better value?

>>61346807
Overvolting will fry your CPU.

>>61346895
What you said is like comparing HP G and DV series to Elitebook series.

>>61346860
>>61346867
No body likes to read what i put in the text box do they?

>>61346832
Why do you have a 1600X, a chip that requires you to buy an aftermarket cooler, when you can just use the regular 1600? You can always buy aftermarket later.
I'd go for 2x 8GB stick RAMwise.

>>61346916
i already down a cpu cooler and i can get a free am4 bracket.

>>61346884
buy a 2 TB HDD for like $66 and conglomerate all that data on the 1 HDD
Also, that PSU is WAY overkill.

>>61346932
It's still dumb to purchase the 1600X, since you pay more for a chip that OC's to the same clock speed as a 1600.
Unless you don't plan to OC. In which case, it's still dumb, since the gains in a 1600X aren't commensurate with the extra money you put down. You might as well spring for a 1700 at that point.

>>61346937
I already own the psu. I could get rid of the seagate i have had it for over 5 years.

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Added 2 tb got rid of the seagate and r7 1700

Is it worth getting RAM at 3200 when the X370 supports 2133-2666?

>>61346911
No it isn't, you fucking retard. PNY cards are all reference PCBs. They're Nvidia's closest AIB partner, similar to Sapphire's relationship with AMD. If you think PNY are shit, you think Nvidia are shit.

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I've been considering building a PC for the first time and I'm trying to keep my budget down
Generally, are there any issues with using an old early 2000s case?
>pic looks similar, actual one's a bit bigger

>>61347050
Hi, I'm the guy who told you not to get the 1600X, because you end up paying more for what amounts to nothing.
Buying the R7 makes sense for mixed-workloads or workstation-esque tasks, not for purely gaming. Its value proposition disappears there.
If you are only gaming and don't care, and want to spend another $85 USD on another 3 minimum frames, that's your call. But that money would be better spent elsewhere, like on another 8GB of RAM or even a better MB. Assuming your funds are limited, it's poor budget allocation.

>>61346125
don't you need a hard drive?

>>61346110
gaylarry2001

>>61347163
unless they make x370 matx boards which i doubt they do why do i need more ram if im just going to be gaming? I will probably just go with the 1600x.

>>61347120
No cable management tools. PSU sizing might be wrong. USB port incompatible with case so you have to use an adapter or just not use the case ports.

>>61347203
Thanks anon, I might actually get it out and see what the measurements are now...

>>61347120
Might be limited space if you want huge tower coolers. And the front intake might be restrictive, but that can be solved with a Dremel or hole saw. There might be no exhaust, but if you read up on the ATX standard, the PSU was expected to act like exhaust for the case. Airflow and width is only really an issue if you're interested in overclocking and using overpowered graphics cards. The HDD/floppy cage might restrict your ability to mount long expansion cards.

There are cases from that era that can fit 120mm fans, if that's important to you. Making your own hole for a 120mm fan isn't that hard tho.

>>61347200
Games are beginning to use more than 8GB of RAM. It's not too common, but it's already begun creeping into AAA titles. You can see this reflected in requirement recommendations (BF1 for example, etc)

I'd still recommend against buying the 1600X, especially if you plan to OC anyway. The 1600X doesn't OC better than the 1600. But it's your money.

>>61347203
>No cable management tools.
Zip ties

>PSU sizing might be wrong.
ATX is ATX

>USB port incompatible with case so you have to use an adapter or just not use the case ports.
One can probably adapt something found cheaply on ebay, but might be too much effort.

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>>61347301

Is it more advised to buy every part of your PC at once or would it be ok to buy the GPU before the other parts if a good deal springs up for a 1070?

>>61347398
Depends on what you can use when. I usually buy the card when I want one, and entire cpu+motherboard+ram combos when i want those. I would probably only buy any one part if I could use it right now in my current system.

>>61347398
Don't sit on individual components month after month. You can end up with deprecated hardware that you never actually use while new releases flood in.

>>61347396
That looks fine I would say.
Agility 3 shoutout. Still using the 90GB model as my boot.

>>61347462
Only thing im uncertian of is are the mobos with Ryzen still unsure which is the best. Hopefully the one i pick can utilize the ram's max speed.

>>61347170
I have an ssd and a 2 tb hard drive, kek. should have mentioned that.

Anyone know where to get a legit free copy of Win7 without going through BS windows?
I have the disk and shit but for some reason it just wont read. And when i try the key code on windows it's missing like 5 characters....
Please help.

Quick question:
Is getting the H7 cooler a significant upgrade to the stock on a 1600? I'm trying to overclock to ~3.8
If so, what's a good thermal paste to go with it?

>>61348277
I would avoid cyrorig for AMD at the moment since their coolers don't ship with AM4 brackets. You have to buy them seperately and from what I have heard they aren't that good.

Is a USP a necesary component for my build? Is a surge protected power strip good enough?

>>61348376
If you deal with data that needs to be saved, the former. Otherwise the latter is good enough.

Just finished setting up my new pc, only to figure out there is something wrong with my audio. Whenever I plug my headphones in the audio jack, the sound icon on the taskbar displays them as being connected, but the audio wont work! Need some help, thanks

>>61348453
Switch your sound device to your mobo instead of hdmi audio

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Hey everyone, my friend wants to build his computer but has a 700 budget.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rr2G4C
This is what I've came up for him and was wondering if I can get some critique or improvements; spec wise. He plans on playing games like fallout 4, doom, and dark souls. We both live in the US and my boi plays with a tv like a normie

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>noctua nh-d14 primary fan making rattle-ish noise
>pretty annoying
so my options seem to be
>disconnect fan and hope the second fan is good enough for my 1.4v 2500k
>buy new fan (no idea where)
>buy cm hyper 212

help

>>61344650
tell me about the r9 390
how good is it ?
compared to a gtx 1070.

>>61348619
Pop the fan blades out and relube with machine/air tool oils. Mine came dry and it just stops the fuck after 3 months.

>>61346297
I'm the one with the z270 mobo you replied to.
didn't work. I'm just going to take it to Fry's and see if they can find the issue and assemble it. it's been like 6 hours and I can't figure out what's wrong.

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do i need expert installation?

>>61348666
buy it the installation and then refund it after. would amazon send a person over to uninstall it?

>>61344650
i would like to know what happened with gpus its bullshit. you used to be able to get the 2nd or 3rd best one in the lineups for around 300 now its 400-500.

>>61348682
Miners, dumbass, it's been all of /g/ lately.

>>61348619
how could you not know where to buy a fan you can buy them anywhere. any same size fan will work.

>>61348530
Thanks man, tried it once but it was inside mobo microphone port.

>>61348693
but are the gpu companies fucking us on purpose just to make more money ?

>>61348654
yeah this is prob the cheapest option that actually fixes it. ive read that the bearings wearing out is common

>>61348696
because it's the special round noctua ones with the mounting bracket. i think theyre $30 on their own

>>61348718
>do jews exist
>what is gsync

>>61348718
Yes/no, they want to keep stocks low so they can price higher, but they also want to get more out so they can get money, however they risk the crypto meme dying off and being left with a shit ton of stock.

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I occasionally assemble builds for normie coworkers for a quick buck. Normally I do pentiums, dual channel ram, and 2TB HDD's but I've found that for normie purposes, a pentium over a celeron hardly matters when paired with an SSD and dual channel also makes <5% speed difference for every day tasks compared to single channel. Storage space is up to them and I know price/gb it's worth it to go 2 compared to 1 but I digress - is this an ok normie build? I've done probably about 5 of the previously mentioned "pentium versions" only now have I really considered downgrading some things to reduce price to the client even further.

>>61348747
It's already dying. Hard for me to flip cards now on eBay.

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>tfw sold my old r9 280x for $160 before they lost anymore value
Thanks cryptoniggers

>>61348837
Doesn't get more normie than that really. Is that a Kaby Lake Celeron? If yes you should watch out with that chipset.

>>61345802
Yeah and a lot of them still have audible noise especially with more power present. Sometimes it's worse when certain components are under load like PCIe.

>>61345471
Just slipstream your USB drivers into your win7 media you plebian

>>61348880
The 3900 is the skylake sku, 3930 is Kabylake. Most recent bios revision supports both anyway and I have a "throwaway" skylake CPU to use if I had to flash.

>>61347064
Depends if your motherboard says it can overclock past 2666 to 3200+

>>61348068
Look online, you can find legit ones if you search carefully e.g digitalife windows 7 (search that)

>>61345468
Don't get the supernova NEX

>>61345416
Mostly depends on the other components on the board

>>61346219
Unplug the PC and remove the BIOS battery for a while (abput 30 minutes)
Just run it at 2133Mhz for now, install the shit you need and mess with that stuff later

>>61346807
Just keep the core voltage under 1.4V and make sure it doesn't overheat under heavy loads if you're overclocking
If you're not you can likely lower the voltage quite a bit
An offset of -0.1V will be possible on most chips
I recommend starting at like -0.6V and decrease the voltage until it starts being unstable

>>61346832
Get 16GB RAM

Anon tells me that HGST or Hitachi hard drives are the most reliable, but the only ones I can find are refurbs.
Bad idea to buy refurbished hard drives?

Best mobo for a ryzen 1600?

Why do you hate the 7700k so much?

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>>61349567
shitty TIM, worse than the 4770k

>>61348619
i would recommend a ZALMAN CNPS10X i have 3 of them and they are great.

To anybody here residing in NZ: where do you buy hard drives? I need one for my NAS, doesn't have to be fast, just 1TB or bigger.

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I really just need some GPU that isn't shit and won't draw a niggagillion watts from my psu.

In New Zealand the R5 230 and GT 710 both have like 19 watts but I just wanna know what would be a good choice for this old PC

>>61350223
>>61349978
Poor NZ

Does freesync without vsync cause input lag?

Should I get a fast 1 tb HDD or a slow 2 tb?

>>61350296
Freesync is supposed to be Vsync without the input lag

>>61350324
No
Freesync doesn't halve the FPS when under the monitor refresh's rate like V-Sync does

>>61350223
Define "isn't shit" are you wanting to play games with it?

>>61350633
Like TF2 and CS:GO

>>61350693
GT 1030 or GTX 750 Ti maybe

Am I a cuck if I buy W10 for my new computer? I just don't feel safe being a piratefag anymore. I'm pretty sure microsoft tracks everything I do already, wouldn't surprise me if my ISP does too or a number of other programs on my computer / phone, and there's nothing that can be done about it apart from going full tinfoil hat mode but I don't want to live that life. Plus some of those upcoming xbone/w10 exclusives are of interest to me.

>>61350831
Buy a grey market OEM key to avoid being a cuck

>>61350831
Buy it off a grey site like >>61350842
said. Allkeysite has them for cheap. Ebay or Kinguin works too.

>>61350842
>>61350831
I literally bought W10 for 1€ at the local refurb shop. Sure my sysinfo now says my build is from them but who cares? W10 Pro would have cost me 29€ which is still a fair price but why spend the money?

>>61347120
maybe you have some heat issues. due to low airflow. and the psu on top.
Keep case open.
clean with a dry brush or coompres air.

>>61350831
If you don't care about the watermark and changing your title bar colors you can just never activate windows and use it normally.

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>>61350842
>>61350863
>>61350877
Thanks friendos.

>>61350899
Unfortunately I am autistic enough that small things like that will annoy me.

Is hitachi a good hard drive brand?

>>61350939
Yeah, pretty good. They're called HGST now.

>>61350800
1050 Ti* same price as a 750 Ti here

>>61351272
Well fuck that then, lol

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Lads, I just installed a Ryzen 1600, Asus B350-plus and 16GB 2666Hz Ram, I just put it into my old pc from 6 years ago running a SSD with Windows 7 on it.
It will post and I can get Windows to Run but neither my keyboard or mouse work and the BIOS would lag, freeze and stutter.

Any help would be appreciated.

>>61351509
>neither my keyboard or mouse work
Same thing happened here in basically the same circumstance. You'll have to re-install, or be cheeky and start the free W10 accessibility upgrade, and then put the drive into the new system when it asks to reboot to finish. Though I suppose you can't do that if you're recycling most of your old system (you need to use the old mobo and cpu).

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I've always wanted to build a small pc so I went and bought an mATX mobo and all that.
Unfortunately, stores around here don't carry any mATX case except for some flimsy, lower quality ones (<30 bucks).
Should I just cave in and go ATX? What are the disadvantages of having mATX mobo in an ATX case?

>>61351509
>It will post and I can get Windows to Run but neither my keyboard or mouse work
That's normal, W7 usually lacks proper drivers for recent hardware
Try using Asus EZ's installer
https://www.asus.com/support/Download/3/480/0/60/30/

>>61351603
Will I have to rebuild my old computer to run the EZ installer?

>>61345470
This. Look after your psu and your pc will look after you. If an individual part dies you can just replace it anyway, but a psu can potentially fuck up every part (unlikely, but potentially).

>>61349978
Try TradeMe?

>>61351617
Oh, right. Yeah, the EZ installer is just a way of putting an iso of W7 onto an USB so that would mean fresh install. Regardless i wouldn't recommend sticking to an old windows install at all because of how vastly different the drivers for it (chipset, audio, etc etc) are. It will most likely be an unstable mess and you might get quite frequent BSOD unless you somehow manage to find every driver that is installed and uninstall it.

You can always remove the hard drive, set your other mobo + cpu up on some table and plug the PSU in it, and then search for the drivers on internet and install them. It's wonky as fuck but it can always work.

>>61351509
You had to sysprep beforehand.

>>61351509
I don't know, stop using OS that has no drivers for your 8 years newer hardware?

What is the linpack of GPU stress tests?

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>>61351675
>>61351696
Rate my setup

>>61351743
Furmark but don't leave it running for long cause it fucks with your GPU unnecessarily.

>bidding on used RX570 on eBay
>hold majority bid at $112 with a max bid of $250
>check check phone
>you have been out bidded
>no biggie, I'm willing to go up to $320
>check listing
>$530 with 26hrs remaining
>exact same card new (which are in stock in shops) selling for $440

People are fucking stupid. I want miners to die.

>>61351823

10/10 cable management skills

>>61351990
Most modern cards throttle automatically in Furmark anyway. Nvidia have been throttling it since the Thermi days, and AMD finally did the same with Polaris.

>>61351823
it's gonna short the cables are long enough to place the motherboard on a nearby table so do that

>>61352012
Forgot about that, sorry. Nowadays I just run Unigine Heaven or Firestrike.

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Can I plug a 3pin fan in a 4pin header,
Or can I get a double adapter?

>>61352139
Yes, you can, just no PWM.

>>61352139
Yes, it'll only run at full speed with no adjustments though.

Do you guys think the 1080Ti will go on sale during Christmas? I almost have all the money I need for it but I'm in no rush.
First time building so not sure when stuff goes on sale.

>>61348666
Shit like that reminds of shit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFlBPyQbJZw

why.jpg

How much longer do you think a 980ti will be relevant? How about DX12 becoming the norm? As in, when will DX11 games stop being mainstream? My 980ti is still a performer (although I do have to turn down AA for 60fps 1440p).

Would a 1080ti for 60hz 1440p ultra be a worthy upgrade? I mean raw performance is much higher and the better DX12 performance/11GB vram is always a plus.

I was considering the EVGA GTX 1080ti kingpin to replace my 980ti classified. Should I wait another generation? Is Vega worth bothering to look at?

>>61352147
>>61352153
How about a double adapter? Do they exist, would they just run at the same speed?
Trying to push pull on my cpu heatsink.

>>61352208
The kingpin edition is geared for LN2 overclocking, it's a waste of money if you are not going to do that.

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>>61352222
You mean a Y-splitter? Yes, of course they exist.

If your fans are 3 pin, just buy a 3 pin Y-splitter. They'll run at the same speed, and they probably won't have any speed adjustment either, full speed only.

Also, generally speaking, you don't want to exceed 1 amp per mobo fan header, so make sure each fan draws <.50 amps if you're using a Y-splitter.

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>>61352229
Are there comparable models available for both cooling and OC ability? What about that new MSI lightning edition? I'm looking for a 1080 ti model that will do 2ghz clock and not run at 85C+

And honestly the full copper heatsink of the kingpin would make it worth it for me. I bought my 980ti classy because of it's overkill VRMs and much larger than stock cooler/fans. I don't mind paying for overkill if it means it'll do what I want. LN2 BIOS or no.

>>61345210
Performance plateau started around 2008-10. Quad cores is enough for most things and single core performance stagnated. Also industry got burned by then fixed the dud caps thing around then, those boards are robust and going to last a long time.

>>61344650
My PSU (Tacens Valeo V 800W) died and the CPU Heatsink I purchased doesn't fit on my pc case (it doesn't fit horizontally because it would touch the RAM, there is no hatch on the upper part of the pc case).

I'm looking into some replacements for the parts, my specs are the following:
CPU: AMD FX-8350
Motherboard: MSI 760GMA-P34(FX)
Graphics: ASUS R9 280 Series
PSU: Tacens Valeo V 800W

Any recommendation?

>>61345210
I've never had a desktop die on me, always retired because they're slow. Not including HDDs failing.
Laptops I'm convinced are designed to fail.

Never understood esd bracelets either, just don't wear wool and touch something grounded before you start.

>>61352573
I sit naked on my concrete floor while doing a build and I've never had a problem with shorting out a build, and I've made 100+

>>61345210
>never turned it off
I can understand keeping it on for weeks but months or even years? Damn.

>>61352599
I worked with a guy at the pizza place I used to manage that never turned his PC off in over 7 months...Like, the only reason he even bothered to was because his basement flooded and he was forced to move upstairs into his brother's room while they repaired it

>>61348583
You'll get more advice quicker if you post a screenshot

What would be the drawback of using link related as my OS SSD?
http://www.umart.com.au/newsite/goods.php?id=27399

so I upgraded to a 4K freesync display and to my surprise, my Strix 480 is actually sort of capable of driving it. most of my games get 40+ FPS and the worst case scenarios (TW3 and FO4) get around 20 but I could probably get playable framerates by lowering settings. adaptive sync makes sub-60 fps more palatable too although it's still an annoyance.

also this line in the OP probably needs correcting
>RX580 and GTX1060 6GB - 1080p@80hz maxed, 1440p@60hz at lower settings; RX580 better in newer games

both these cards can comfortably max modern games at 1440p. the only games where mine wouldn't were Nvidia sponsored shit like the two aforementioned games.

>>61352914
>TW3
Lower tesselation through drivers
>FO4
Disable godrays

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>>61352744
The SSDNOW line has a piss poor reputation but IIRC that may be due to the controller bait-and-switch from a few years ago. Could be different now. Do a bit of research on the subject. I personally wouldn't buy any Kingston SSD out of principle.

It's also pretty fucking tiny. If you plan to run Windows on that you'll be hating life soon enough. Pic related.

>>61352923
will try, thanks anon

Finally got a freesync GPU to drive my freesync monitor. I'm disappointed. Many people said freesync makes FPS drops much less noticeable, but FPS fluctuations from 75 to 50 look the same with or without freesync enabled.

Did I get memed on?

>>61352987
Did you turn off Vsync?
Did you enable Freesync?
Is it in exclusive Fullscreen?

>>61353016
Exclusive fullscreen yes, freesync enabled yes, but I kept vsync enabled. Are you supposed to use freesync without vsync?

>>61353062
No

Free sync and g sync are memes for autists

>>61352939
Thanks man, I figure I'll spring for the WD 120G Green M.2 SSD which is only $20 more. Know anything on that? I kinda wanna use a M.2 for my OS system

>>61353062
>Are you supposed to use freesync without vsync?

Yes, of course.

>>61352914
Honestly the only reason I'd ever consider upgrading is just to experience TW3 with Hairworks and everything max'd.

>>61345210

My first gen i5 died late last year, may it rip.

Should I just pull the gun on this 1080?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1259026-REG/asus_strix_gtx1080_8g_gaming_geforce_gtx_1080_8gb.html

Or wait it out?

>>61345893

My dark rock 3 is doing a good job of keeping my 1700 cool, though it only mounts with the fan down or up which kinda sucks. And it blocks the ram slots. I love the coolerand the mounting it self is great, but the orientation sucks.

>>61353342
Or go for the Ti?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487357&ignorebbr=1

>>61346499

I made this mistake thanks to the fucktards at Canada computers. I knew it was a mistake but wanted my computer right away.

Fucking idiots shouldn't be telling people a 1700 will clock to 4.1 easy. It will if you're extremely lucky. And the ram I picked "should work fine" I was 90% certain it wouldn't, and what a shock, it didn't work. Not at xmp anyway.

>>61353265
Goyworks is pretty shit to be honest. Geralt looks like he's balding when it rains.

Would it be dumb to upgrade a lga 1155 socket CPU with a better 1155?
My mainboard has that socket type, so if I wanted to go for a newer one I would have to change the mainboard too.

And with the change of mainboard comes the change of RAM, mine is DDR3 or 4, can't remember - but the new mainboard have one number higher.
Meaning I would also have to upgrade my RAM.

But seeing how old 1155 CPUs are and how they are barely sold anymore I probably don't have an option?

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>INTEL CORE I7 7700K (4.2GHZ) SOCKET 1151
349,90 €

>MOTHERBOARD MSI Z270 GAMING M5
214,90 €

>MSI GEFORCE® GTX 1080 TI SEA HAWK X 11GB GD5X
909,91 €

>G.SKILL KIT 16GB (2 X 8GB) DDR4 3200MHZ TRIDENT Z RED
159,90 €

>SSD KINGSTON HYPERX SAVAGE 480GB SATA III
189,90 €

>ATX FRACTAL DESIGN DEFINE S with WINDOW
99,90 €

>COOLER CPU WATER FRACTAL DESIGN KELVIN S36
169,90 €

>MONITOR ASUS 27" VS278H 1MS
217,00 €

>PSU SEMI MODULAR SEASONIC G-SERIES 750W 80+ GOLD
134,89 €

Around 2500€.
Any component I should exchange?

I really want a top-tier gaming PC. Money is not really a problem but I want to spend the money in the best way possible.

>>61353553
>900 on GPU
>200 on monitor

Sorry but that seems retarded.

>>61353553
What res & framerate?

After swapping out my motherboard, cpu, and ram for new parts, will I have to reinstall my os?
I'm currently dual booting windows 10 and arch

>>61354123
No need to reinstall W10, might need a new license. Do reinstall Arch.

>>61353655
Not him, but its a 27'' 1080p 60hz
Shit monitor for a 2,5k setup imho

>>61354152
>Might need a new license
That's something that can be fixed with ms toolkit right?
Thanks

W10 or W7?

>>61354188
Yes.

>>61354197
10 if you have an amd you (for dx12 benefits), otherwise 7.
If you decide to go with 10 then find an iso for Enterprise 2016 ltsb.

>>61354197
Do you play games? W10
W7 otherwise

how long did it take you to assemble your PC for the first time?

>>61354338
If you are not retarded, under 2 hours.

>>61354338
Took me a whole afternoon and most the evening, but I was stopping to look at the manual and consciously touch metal ever 10min.

>>61353553
Garbage CPU, garbage motherboard, garbage case, garbage cooler, garbage monitor.

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Why does /g/ still shill for the G4560 in budget builds when the Athlon X4 845 costs only half as much?

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2721&cmp[]=2925

>>61354436
>consciously touch metal ever 10min.
is static a serious issue or is just a meme

>>61354490
JayzTwoCents said in a recent video that all his builds were built on a carpet.

>>61354477
Because most people buying a CPU of that class want to play video games or build a HTPC, and the Pentium rapes the Athlon at both of those tasks.

>>61354490
I'm the anon you're replying too, it's a meme. I have built systems on lyno in underwear and on carpet wearing a hoodie and such. You're touching the case (which should be metal) enough that it's dissipating to it

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My CPU finally arrived.

>>61354577
Not to mention that the g4560 is actually available in most places

Hey guys, should I use the motherboard mounting screws that come with my case or the ones that come with my motherboard?

>>61354598
Sleek and sexy <3 Build?

>>61354661
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cwWtTH
Just ordered the cooler this morning

>>61354687
Not bad, did you buy a separate mounting bracket for the CPU cooler?

>>61354687
Your hdd one of the refurbs? How is it in terms of noise? Been thinking about getting a couple and putting one in my pc and one in an external enclosure.

>have almost all my parts
>still waiting on a GPU I ordered the 30th
>support has absolutely no idea when it'll ship
I should have known this would happen

>>61354710
Cryorig coolers don't ship with AM4 brackets

>>61354728
Buy local next time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3pJ_--nf5E

>>61354744
It was a $500 1080, hard to pass up when it was way more expensive everywhere else.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fp3G4C
Is using the stock Intel cooler that comes with the CPU that bad? I think it comes with pre-applied thermal paste on it... will my PC explode if I play Arma III?

>>61354769
>will my PC explode if I play Arma III?
no it won't
What's the usage?

>>61354769
Unless you have a 144 Hz refresh rate monitor, there's no reason to use an i7. read the OP.

>>61354785
Basically trying to get the best performance out of Arma III on a budget, hence the powerful CPU and weak everything else.(I know Arma III is very CPU demanding over anything else)

>>61353553
2.5k on a quadcore build? Why not join us in the current decade?

>>61354477
Outdated, no graphics and so on

>>61354837
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rQfZyf
here

>>61354797
techspot.com Arma III benchmarks are at 55 frames per second with an OC'd i7-4770k at 4.5 Ghz and a GTX Titan. I'm just trying to get at least in the 40s in that game with my build frames per second-wise.

I plan on overclocking. Will I get better results with the 1700x vs the 1700?

>>61354710
Yeah I bought one

How the fuck is there still no information on Ryzen yet?

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N0LE4BM
>$219.99
Why must it be so expensive...

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How often should i replace my CPU?

I've got an i5 4670K from 2013 and I'm planning to get AMD's RX Vega GPU when it comes out (I hear its performance is between a 1080 and 1080ti) am i bottlenecking it too much?

>>61355196
When you feel the performance is no longer what you want. An i5 can still produce good average framerates. It depends on how much you care about frametime spikes and stutter, which is where they really fall behind i7s and Ryzen.

You could potentially drop a 4770K or 4790K in there and improve things massively, but that's investing more money in a dead platform. You could just sell your current components to partly fund a Ryzen 1600 build.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06ZYX8DQ3/ref=mp_s_a_1_27?ie=UTF8&qid=1499812413&sr=1-27&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65

So my brother bought this for himself and it comes in tomorrow, besides adding an SSD drive is there anything else he should look for? I know its better to build yourself but he's not too tech savvy and i dont feel comfortable building with other people's money. For a pre-built, how good is this?

>>61355290
He should know how to build a damn PC so if anything goes wrong he can handle it.

>>61355290
honestly not that bad considering...

You should have still built it for him; you're a shitty brother

>>61355290
Absolutely terrible

>>61349179
Why not? It's gold

>16 GB of RAM isn't enough for RoTR unless you turn off all other programs
Jesus fucking christ

>>61355247
No. Unless you are playing at super low resolution

>>61355356
Told you to go 32GB.

>>61351999
sellers can drive their own prices up

miners are but a bogeyman

>>61355325
Im honestly not comfortable building a pc with someone else's money i havent even built one myself, so i didnt want to to use his money for my first attempt. I just gave him some guidelines on what to get and how much he should spend.

>>61355373
RoTR is the only game that does that and that doesn't warrant me getting more RAM especially in this climate.

>>61355356
Rise of the Reds? How the fuck does a shitty C&C mod add so much RAM usage?

>>61355348
Because?

>>61354598
Is that the wraith spire?

I almost folded my mobo in half yesterday trying to secure it.

>>61355398
Rise of the Tomb Raider

>>61355414
I had the same experience, had to apply a ridiculous amount of force to get it on.

>>61355381
That's dumb but I see how it'd work. No wonder I keep seeing things relisted that were sold not just a week ago. Still, seems dumb as fuck to do to that price considering it's almost $100 of the price of new just down the road.
>>61355389
Well I'll at least say you're a good brother on knowing your limitations and sticking to your morals. Still, it could've been a fun brotherly bonding moment. Maybe bring him along for your build so you can teach him about his premade while you build yours.
>>61355417
Shit really? I actually wanted to play that

>>61354598
How loud is it? What psu?

>>61346594
They aren't

>>61355451
You can run it with 16 GB ram but you have to close all your other programs. Do note that I am playing it with all settings maxed out.

I've had an old AIO cooler leak onto my motherboard

RAM and the graphics card are still fine, the CPU and motherboard are dead

Can you guys recommend me something new that doesn't bottleneck an RX480 but still has support for DDR3 memory? I can't afford DDR4 at the prices they're at now

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Getting a bit tired of the looks of my old Arc Midi R2, is it worth it to search for a case with 3 x front intakes? Would run a positive setup of 3 intakes/2 exhausts in this case.

I7-4790
Gtx970 (considering upgrading to a 1080/ti
Everything air cooled

>>61355584
Why do you need that much air flow?

>>61355455
It's pretty quiet until you play a game like battlefield but even then it isn't that bad

I'm thinking of getting new ram, should I get a 16GB set and keep the 12GB in with it?

Also want a new PSU, have an Insignia 400W right now.

What GPU is good for now? I had a 1050 PNY but got rid of it.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FLHThq

whats the max i should pay for a 1060 gtx 6gb? should i just ride out the wave with my integrated gfx or call it a day and just get a gtx 1050ti

>>61344650
Sale going on for R7 1700 right now. I was gonna wait til the fall but should I buy one for $310(Canadian) +free shipping (regular $429)? I was originally going to get a 1600.

>>61355833
I had a 1050 2GB, sold it, but now same boat as you, see my post here >>61355814

MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB ARMOR OCV1 for $320 is what I'm leaning towards, I don't know if I can wait. Eventually I'll just spring towards the 1080ti.

WD black PCIe NVMe 512GB for $155 - worth it?

I just bought a tp-link PCI wireless adapter, but am wondering if it will fit onto my motherboard or if the GPU will be blocking it. I have an nvidia geforce 1050ti and a gigabyte B250M-DS3H mobo

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>>61355372
I'm playing at 1440p, how much FPS would i loose?

>>61356068
Why don't you take a look yourself?
You already have it in the case right?

>>61356104
Yeah, I just don't want to take the adapter out of its package to see if it'll fit in there because I might have to return it

>>61356126
>>61356104
Ok there's a slot open but it's called "PCIEX1_2" will this adapter fit?
http://www.tp-link.com.au/products/details/TL-WN851ND.html

QUESTION
How much impact will having DDR3 1600 RAM in current gen games? Is it going to be a 3fps difference over ddr4 2400/3000, or 30fps?

>>61356100
It isn't about the FPS you'd "lose", it's about minimums and 1%/0.1% lows. That's where the i5 will struggle.

>>61356256
so more FPS drops, ok i think i understand. thanks for replying.

>>61356296

GTA is also one of the few games that can take advantage of more than 4 cores.

>>61356452
>one of the few games that can take advantage of more than 4 cores.
Please stop parroting what you hear, the vast vast majority of games spread the load on 8 threads no less at a lot can do more.
GTA (V, and the Rage engine in general) spreads it's load to 16 threads very well, so well that every thread get an almost equal amount of work. I don't doubt that it could spread to more but i don't have a 20+threads CPU at hand so i can't tell.

>>61356452
>>61356489
GTA V really isn't that great an example of a game that benefits from more cores. It mainly benefits from strong single-threaded performance. Nothing will outperform a 7700K in it, no matter how many cores you bring into it. Here's a comparison between a 6700K, a 5820K and a 5960X featuring GTA V:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocwwaVGUFtk

Spoiler: The 6700K takes them to school.

>>61355451

Yeah i plan on building mine and i'll have him along just so he learns some, i know that with this purchase he's probably gonna get a lot more into tech than he is.

>>61354598
Is it oc
What temps with the stock cooler under load

>>61356033
Meh, it barely performs better than the Intel 612p, which is pretty slow for an NVMe drive. It's still faster than SATA.

Are wifi antennas always included with motherboards with the connectors on the IO?
Sometimes they are displayed on the product pictures but not always.

>>61356561
>GTA V really isn't that great an example of a game that benefits from more cores. It mainly benefits from strong single-threaded performance.
That's true, but it speading the load very well on 16 threads is remarkable.

>>61356580
Not that anon, but my 1600 never breaks 60 under normal loads and will hit lower 70's under stress tests. I've got it oced to 3.7 on the stock voltage.

>>61356610
>>61356610
>>61356610

>>61356608
Not very motherboard has Wifi, if the specs does say it has Wifi but there's no antenna it doesn't mean there's no Wifi though. Laptops have wifi but no antenna. It just means it'll be worse than with antenna in term of speed and how well the radeio waves are received

>>61356593
I mean it's cheaper than an evo and faster

I don't buy jewtel products though

It's been announced
Intel is finished.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3pJ_--nf5E

>>61355350
http://www.overclock.net/t/1476935/why-you-should-not-buy-an-evga-supernova-nex650g-750g-aka-g1

This may belong in stupid questions. I was hoping to set up Raid 0 in my pc, but my psu only has 3 spots for Sata power and I need at least 6.
Is it ok to use a sata power splitter and have 2 drives powered by one port?