/pcbg/ - PC Building General

It's been announced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3pJ_--nf5E

>>61356654
16 cores CPU priced like the 10 cores 7900x
And yet the 7900x gets outperformed by the $200 cheaper 12 cores
Skylake-X dead within a month of it's release, nice

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Is my fan trying to communicate?
The fuck is going on?

Is it generally better to buy all your components at once, or buy them over a period of time and wait for sales?

>>61356688
Skylake-X was DOA without any help from Kikeripper. Literally slower than Broadwell-E for many things whilst being a mini nuclear reactor.

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>bought an R5 1600 to shitpost on image boards

>>61356782
The problem with buying them over time is that you're fucked if something proves to be faulty. It'll be too late to return it for a replacement and you'll have to RMA with the manufacturer.

Is this a good build that will get me 60+FPS on Ultra in most games? Also what case fans should I get?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/DNMWsJ

/g/uys, what can I expect for PC component prices by Q4 of 2017? I'm building my rig by December and my build currently costs $600. Should I buy RAM (or any other component) ASAP even before I build it due to price increase? Do I buy selected parts if they're on sale or is there always a sale around Christmas (not from USA so no black friday shit)?

>>61356805
Well I currently have a pc I built like 3 years ago. Was thinking about doing a new build in a few months to a year. I guess I could just test out everything on the old pc when I get it.

>>61356831
Some be quiet pure wings 2 or any other $10 140mm fan you can find, really
Does your case has a built-in fan controller?

>>61356831
Get 2 4gb memory sticks instead of 1 8gb.

>>61356839
Bump, also wanna know

>>61356839
>Should I buy RAM (or any other component) ASAP even before I build it due to price increase?
No, you wait for sales on ram kits
I got 16GB at 90€ instead of 120€, case at 90€ instead of 110€, just by checking for sales every day 2 months before i had planned to buy my stuff

>Read product reviews
>Product is praised by many
>Purchase product
>/g/ laughs and calls me retarded for buying product

Fuck this place

>>61356850
I wanna upgrade to 16gb in the future

>>61356847
Don't think so

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>>61356861
whatdya get?

>>61356847
Nvm, it does, I'm dumb

>>61356885
i5 7600k

>>61356945
well the product is good on its own (hence the good reviews) but comparing it to a Ryzen, it will kinda look bad. You know how /g/ is when it comes to "muh Ryzen". All they're saying is that you could've gotten something better for that price range.

>>61356945
you're retarded .

>>61356945
If you bought it before R5 launch it's a fine choice
If after then yeah it's completely retarded

>>61356945
ha

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Helping a friend build a computer to play games/do uni work on that isn't a potato office laptop.

Luckily at the condo I work at people throw out computer cases and components so I have a free Fractal Design R5 case that had 5 140mm fans (two are the stock Fractal Design fans, three are Be Quiet! Silent Wings 2).

The 1060 is just a placeholder to show price point and power draw, would rather go for a rx580, but as we all know, they are not really in stock and are overpriced ATM.
(prices are all in CAD)

>>61357090
>Luckily at the condo I work at people throw out computer cases and components
wtf I wanna work there

>>61356945
Literally nobody has recommended a 7600K since March. Your fault for trusting retarded Amazon reviews.

Somebody help me feel better about my decision to buy a GTX1080ti for a 1080p 144hz screen.

At least it was on sale. How much of a bottleneck am I looking at with a i7 4770 Non K

>>61357090
I suggest a different SSD because this is the first time I've seen a WD like that. A Samsung EVO 850 500gb should be fine. Correct me if I'm wrong.

>>61357122
haha, yea it can be pretty nice, especially around Christmas.
my current, humble build, is made out of parts people threw out.
But I don't get parts that often, and when I do its mostly cases, fans, occasional motherboard.
Did get a gt 8800 earlier this year however

>>61356945
retard

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rr2G4C
My buds budget is 700 and we in the US
any improvements while staying in the price range of 700? maybe even critique
wanna play that overwatch and fallout

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>>61356772
What the fuck

>>61357178
>GTX1080ti for a 1080p 144hz
overkill bro

>>61357212
what's wrong with the M.2? Also the Samsung is like 40 more bucks

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>>61356793
Good choice, anon

>>61357351
There are so many things wrong with this build

>>61357178
Now you have a GPU powerful enough to match your future Ryzen 7 and 1440p 144hz upgrade. Which model is it?

>>61357351
1) Read the OP. A Ryzen 5 1600 might be better for you unless you want to end up like that guy here who's being called a faggot for buying an i5 7600k. Pair it up with an AM4 mobo like a B350.
2) Ryzen works well with fast RAM so probably go for a 3000mhz stick (which can be used after updating your mobo bios since early bios versions had trouble with ram)
3) Try to go for an SSD first to act as your boot drive and probably buy a cheap HDD like a WD Blue (1TB) for storage. Helps a lot.

>>61357387
it's not the M.2, more of a brand thing. From all the lurking I've done, I've never heard someone suggest a WD M.2. But I haven't checked so I'll assume that it's good enough

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Build is for a friend who only wants to play overwatch and watch tv shows/browse web

Prices are in AUD, budget is 600-800

This build currently sits at $784

Does it matter what b250 mobo i get? as i could save an extra 20 from there.

>>61357351
For statistics:
>why did you decide on an Intel/i5?
>why did you decide on a short GPU?

>>61357090
Consider going for an NVME SSD if you are spending that much money. Even the cheapest models would be an improvement.

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I've been playing game when suddenly screen became black. After rebooting PC there were artifacts on screen (pic related). I've took out my GPU and after some time put it back. Now it works correctly. What could it be? Is my GPU dying?
GPU is XFX R9 290.

>>61357489
damn, we have almost the same build except mobo, case, and PSU. for the PSU I suggest the Seasonic S12ii 520w which is a standard choice for budget. (go with the M12ii if you want modular). EVGA is also good. The mobo doesn't matter that much unless you need some specifics. Also, B250's can run 7th gen processor RAM speeds up to 2400 so probably go for the small upgrade from 2133 to 2400 to make the most out of it :)

>>61357489
>Does it matter what b250 mobo i get?
If it has the I/O you want, you're probably good to go.
Go for 2400 RAM if possible.

>>61357468
Nothing wrong with WD SSDs. In fact the WD Black usually competes with the 600p in price while being faster in writes.

>>61357544
Have you tried cyka blyat?

>>61357424
>
ASUS 1080ti Founders edition gayman, I already run DSR at 1440p so at least theres that

>>61357622
Do you actually notice a difference between standard 1080p and 1440p DSR on a 1080p screen? Genuinely curious.

>>61357575
>>61357537

so the extra 50$ would be worth it for the WD black?

this guy doesnt have a lot of money, also graphics card price isnt included with everything else

>>61357685
Are you in Canada?
Damn man just link to your build instead of screenshotting. It's easier for you and me. The feature is there for a reason.

>>61357708
>>61357526

>>61357715
yes I am as. as should of been apparent from my original post.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/BPpktJ

Is there any goddamn information on when Ryzen 3 is released? I need a new PC but I need at least a quad core since I do some photography and video editing

>>61357400
how come?

>>61357674
Yes. DSR is like anti aliasing but better, ofcourse 4k looks the best and there were some games I could run at 4k with my old 970.. the image is just so much more crisp.

>>61357503
Sata power splitters are ok to use right?

>>61357738
For $50 the choice is up to you. I would.
If you choose to buy the Blue (which isn't wrong, again), get it in a 2.5 inch form factor. The performance is identical, and it doesn't take up the precious m.2 slot, which can remain open for later. 2.5 inch slots are everywhere, m.2 isn't.

>>61357741
>What is R5 1600

>>61357832
Completely fine. The SATA power cable(s) included with power supplies have 3-4 power connections for a reason.

>>61357803
Neat. I may have to try that shit out.

>>61357878
why not R5 1400

>>61357741
July 27th

What's a good rgb motherboard?

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I'm about to swap my old gray+white 2005 case for this black thing (aerocool 300). The only thing that bothers me is supposed location of HDDs there. Won't it will be warm near PSU? And for warm i mean 40+ degrees C.
37$ there

>>61352342
The Kingpin won't offer anything useful to you if you're just air cooling so having copper fins is literally pointless. But in cryo-territory you can push absurd power into it which is the main benefit of the Kingpin cards. In fact pretty much all the high end 1080 Ti's that are air-cooled have very similar performance and it's mostly down to the silicon lottery and how GPU boost works. You're better off just getting the ROG Strix or EVGA SC2 or something similar. The Strix probably has the best air cooling but it's massive and over 2 slots whereas the SC2/FTW3 are 2-slot and still cool very well. I don't have much info on the Lightning but it seems a bit overpriced and three power connectors is silly for this GPU on air or water.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2890-evga-gtx-1080-ti-sc2-review-benchmark/page-4

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>>61357441
wow thank you

>>61357893
Really? My EVGA G2 just came with 3 1-1 sata power cables. Good to know I won't fry anything though.

>>61357878
Wow, why didn't I think of that, how stupid of me to ask about budget CPUs when I can just pull money out of my ass and buy more expensive CPUs!

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>$115

not motherboards too!

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>>61356610
r8 my new motherboard

>>61358021
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7vKThq

Apparently the board comes with a free gaming mouse so you can just use that. Get a G403 or something like that if you want a better one later. I also went ahead and chose a non-shit case and SSD. Use the CPU cooler that comes with the 1600.

What is the best (for the money) used CPU I can buy to max a 1060 6GB?
No sense in going around $160 since I can buy a R5 1400 for that price and it will run well.

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Hello, newb here. Can you please comment my setup?

Location: Czech rep.
Purpose: Developing in Java & Python, gayming (Witcher 3, GTA V, Minecraft)
Monitor: 1920x1080, 60Hz, 27"
Budget: I don't want to go much higher than it is, maybe even couple hundred of $ lower, if something from the list is overkill for what I need.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MhqfBP
I couldn't find this cpu fan there so:
>CPU Cooler: Silentium PC Fera 3 HE1224 v2


Total cost ~ 1750$

What do you think? I'm new at this.

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Guys, in the other thread, in my 2500€ build, they were saying that 7700k is not good anymore. What's the best gaming CPU that's around the same price of the 7700k (ok, I give 50€ more if it's really good)?

>>61358333
The GPU price is really high, but I don't know the market there.
Also, go for a Ryzen 5 1600, you can find a $300 combo for R5 1600 + MSI Motherboard.

>>61358364
There's nothing that best a 7700k, but even a $120 cheaper CPU will produce exactly the same performances in your 1080p60hz games

>>61358364
Ryzen 7 1700X is the same price as the 7700K

>>61358364
Ryzen 7 1700 for $269. Take that 30 bucks and buy a aftermarket cooler to OC it.

>>61358410
A 1700 OC'd is in the same level as the X, plus it costs less.

>>61358433
1700X is better binned and you don't need the Wraith cooler anyway

>>61358386
i5 7500 cost 237$ and Ryzen 5 1600 cost 260$.

Sorry for dumb question, but are more cores worth the slightly higher price and slightly lower frequency?

>>61358460
>but are more cores worth the slightly higher price and slightly lower frequency?
It depends on how much more cores you'll get and how much you'll have in total if you don't get these extra ones
In any of the i5 case, yes any recent 6+ cores CPU > i5

>>61358460
Yes, the i5 can't hyperthread but the 1600 can (called SMT) so you're looking at 4c/4t vs 6c/12t.

>>61358118
cummies/10

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WGqfBP

Monitor is what i currenlty have. Looking o upgrade from my FX-8350 to Ryzen. Going to keep my current GPU(290x) until the gaming Vegas coming out and make a gpu decision then.

Any input is welcom

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6zYZyf

ready to buy, any problems? And yes I'm sticking with the 7700.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/PjGFkT
Rate ?
Should i wait for AMD threadripper ?
Will be buying this at the end of august, probably.

Anyone got experiencie with a ES CPU?
Thinking of buying a QHQG from $135 on aliexpress and also got the boards and custom bios from the korean site.

I wanna know if any board will boot with stock bios because I don't have any other Skylake CPU to change bios before using the ES.

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I am keeping the SSD, 1080 and power supply from my old PC, just listing them so nothing is missing. Any thoughts regarding the RAM/Mobo?
Case is a bit difficult as I can have a max. height of 40cm. I am open for suggestions though. Country is Germany; what is relevant is in red.

>>61358924
With your budget I'd get a bigger ssd and fully modular psu. I'd probably opt for a big dual heatsink cooler like a Noctua D15, but that's a personal call.

>>61359042
Which PSU do you recommend ? I was considering the Noctua D15 actually.
Not sure if i need a bigger SSD, do you think its worth it ?

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>>61356654
Intel is finished. FINISHED!

>>61358775
change mobo to anything that isn't biostar, like asrock.

>>61358795
i'd go for 3200mhz ram if it doesn't cost much more. the rest is fine, though i would never pay for windows, but you seem to like getting ripped of so i guess it's ok.

>>61358924
threadripper releases 2 weeks from now. you'd be stupid to not wait. the psu is a huge overkill. supernova g3 would be more than enough. get one 3tb hdd unless you're doing raid or some shit. that case is expensive as fuck. also just personal note: g502 mouse is heavy as fuck. if you don't need extra buttons get g403 instead - it's much lighter.

>>61359022
i would go for better mobo like msi tomahawk. other than that it's ok.

Recommend me some budget cases please.

>>61359238
>i would go for better mobo like msi tomahawk. other than that it's ok.
Not him but it's the best one according to
https://youtu.be/ZGrxhf_xZWI?t=25m49s
so what do you exactly mean by "better"? The Gaming Pro Carbon is already an improve Tomahawk mobo.

>>61359238
Yeah, i have a G502 and i loved the weight of it. guess its down to personal preference.

>>61359251
As far as I understand the one I picked (Gaming Pro Carbon) is a better version of the Tomahawk? Or am I misunderstanding something?

>>61359238
thanks, i'll forgive the snarky comment

>>61358416
>>61358410
>>61358433
But that ryzen under performs in gaming benchmark, probably because of lower single thread benchmark.

>>61356610
did you know, if you just solder the board back together, it will still work.

don't believe me? my friends dad who works at Nintendo told me so, he's done it a billion times

>>61359356
>muh 10% FPS that is already over 120
>muh single threaded performance at 5ghz
>muh Intel space heater

Got my RAM under Ryzen from 2133 to 2933 with X-AMP

What was it all for?

What would you recommend for an air cooler?
I'm using a nzxt s340 elite case so I don't want to get one that's too big. Would a Noctua be solid?

>>61359356
>10% more fps with 200% more stutter
>70% less multithreaded performance

kys

>>61359080
EVGA G2 or G3 gold. I think a larger ssd is definitely worth it. I have a 500gb, so I have room for every program and a handful of games.

>>61359421
You should see significant boosts in memory performance and game FPS. I don't notice much if any improvement in render tasks

>>61359387
>>61359433
Are you saying that a ryzen won't bottleneck a 1080 ti?

>>61359454
Both the G2 and G3 are inferior to the fully modular Seasonic he has already chosen.

>>61359504
Depends on: the game, the resolution, the graphics settings, the maximum refresh rate of the monitor.

Asking if X bottlenecks Y with no other details is dumb.

Sorry for letting you down guys, but I need motherboard with WiFi card and for AM4 there were only 3 and all were shit, so I switched from Ryzen 5 back to i5-7600. I also switched from SeaGate to Western Digital, because two separate people told me SG is shit. This is my "final" list for now, so let me know what you think:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XdvG4C

>>61359576
>need motherboard with WiFi card
did you really though

What's the most simplistic enclosed PC case there is?

I hate all these cases that look like transformers and I hate the cases that try to cram as many features inside as possible

http://www.ldcooling.com/shop/ld-pc-v7/200-ld-pc-v7-black-240-360.html

Something like this, but not $500?

>>61359576
ASUS Crosshair VI has a wifi model and it's basically the top AM4 board at the moment so you can fuck off with that bullshit. Besides which you can just get literally any PCIe wifi card and stick it on any board with a free slot.

>>61359530
Oops, I was looking at another build when I recommended that. Your build is fine anon, expensive as hell. I'd still consider a big dual heatsink Noctua though.

>>61359576
Your MB can't support RAM at 3000. Purchase something cheaper.
The 580 is grossly overpriced. It should be at 200, not 500. GPU prices are inflated. Pick a 1050ti and wait, or pick up a 1070/80.
Your PSU is meh, but functional.

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I'm looking for a monitor to play with a 1080 ti.

Is it a waste of money to buy a 1080 ti and only be able to play in 1080p monitor?

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Got my freeNAS box up and running, these transfer speeds are ok by me. Running a b250 mobo with intel nic with a Pentium G4440

>>61359683
Somewhat. At least you'll be able to turn up the 16x AA on the biggest releases of the year. That's kinda something, I guess.

>>61359701
I think 1080p with Ultra settings is actually fine to me.

I'm not very sensitive to very high resolutions, I don't know if it will make a big difference.

>>61359683
Absolutely a waste at 60Hz, mostly a waste above that. You're generally going to hit a CPU limit at that resolution with a 1080 Ti.

>>61359663
>Your MB can't support RAM at 3000. Purchase something cheaper.
I didn't notice that. Switched to ASUS ROG STRIX Z270E GAMING.
>The 580 is grossly overpriced. It should be at 200, not 500. GPU prices are inflated. Pick a 1050ti and wait, or pick up a 1070/80.
Sorry I didn't clarify, I used pcpartpicker just as reference, I'm actually ordering from Czech eshop and 580 cost less than 300$ there.
>Your PSU is meh, but functional.
Can it have any negative impact? What do you reccomend?

How much difference does ddr4 make relative to ddr3 for gaming?
I've got some 1600 ddr3 from my old build, is it super important that i get some ddr4 2400/3000 or can i still use the old kit?

>>61357537
What. Don't nvme's have very limited specific applications?

Best way to get ms office for free and what is the best version?

>>61359740
Consider also getting either G-Sync or 144hz to realize the frames you are capable of pushing.

>>61359754
No point in buying Z270 chipset unless you plan on slotting in a 7700K later (in which case, just buy it now).
>Can it have any negative impact? What do you reccomend?
Anything on this list tier 1-2.
>https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/
I'm partial to Seasonic, but there are lots of options and they're all good.

>>61357929
The one with the rgb you like

>>61359657
Thanks anon, i will get the Dual heatsink noctua and wait for threadripper.

>>61359809
What does that even mean?
It's just an SSD that's not cockblocked by SATA and AHCI.

>>61359830
Are there any decent monitor around 300/400€ that can fit that?

>>61359887
I'm not the best person to ask about monitors, sorry.

1600x or 1700 (or going all in for an 1800/1800x) coupled with 1080ti

Good for 2 years of 4k gaming? Is a 1600x enough? Might do video renders but iunno. Mostly just paranoid that games will start utilizing more cores when I buy a 1600x

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Is this a good deal? I don't really plan on OCing. And even if I did, I couldn't do it with a 7700k anyways

http://www.frys.com/product/9171668?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

>>61356610
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hGNVzM

Any criticism or tips would be great.

>>61359949
Current differences in gaming between 1600 and 1700 are a handful of minimum frames in a few titles. If the money is really irrelevant, you could go for it.
Remember however that the AM4 socket is going to be relevant until 2020. I would go for a 1600 now, and upgrade in a few years once AMD's newer CPUs take the stage, given the minimal FPS differences today.

>>61359830
>No point in buying Z270 chipset
I wanted to add another MSI with Z170, however it says that bios upgrade would be needed and I don't want to mess with that.

>>61359633
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qCDzK8/fractal-design-define-c-with-window-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-def-c-bk-w
Comes without a sidewindow too.

>>61359978
Would have gotten i7 for the CPU but since Ryzen has more cores it's better.

>>61360013
If you are dead set on buying Z270, you are wasting your money on a non-k SKU.
Would recommend either 7600K or ideally a 7700K.
I have a hard time believing there's really no H270 or B250 boards with wifi modules integrated.

>>61360041
>I have a hard time believing there's really no H270 or B250 boards with wifi modules integrated.
There are, but none of them support 3000hz RAM

Should I go for it? Or just buy a 1050ti for now and hope the price drops

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487336

>>61360009
Thank you for the wonderful advice

>>61359978
>4x4gb sticks
Just get 2x8gb sticks it's usually a bit cheaper at this point

That's a shit cooler but it's also really cheap so I guess that's fine. You probably can't OC too much with it.

>>61360093
The difference in performance 3000mhz RAM will give you is minimal, and not worth buying a notably more expensive chipset and RAM for. Better to just use 2400 RAM in cheaper chipset, or get 7700K in a Z270.

Moreover, you are now buying an ITX board for a ATX case. Expensive and needless. Take a mATX or ITX chassis instead.

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>>61359663
Not him, but would my PRIME Z270-K support 3000 ram? It says

DDR4 memory support: Overclock to 3866MHz

On their product page. I have a 6700 now, but will get a 7700k this month as well as a new card, either a 1080ti or see if prices go down on the 1060 (I sold my 1050 2GB) so just running on iGPU for now.

Also what RAM can you recommend? Need a new CPU cooler too.

Would a RX 470 be a good GPU to pair with a G4560?

>>61359964
What do you mean you can't do it with a 7700k? The AR board says it can overclock.

>>61360252
Good luck

>>61360262
Meaning?

>>61360213
According to their website it does.
>Also what RAM can you recommend? Need a new CPU cooler too.
I don't know enough about either of those subjects to answer.

>>61360252
If you could find one for under $150, yes.
You'll have more luck with the 1050ti.

Whats the deal with RAM prices? Looking at the price history, costs have doubled over the past year. Is this a permanent trend, or just a very long lasting spike?
I've got 2x4, and I was looking to get another pair eventually. Will prices ever go back down?

>>61360137
Not trying to overclock. Most of the coolers I found are too big for the motherboard. Do you think the Be Quiet Dark Rock 3 will fit?

>>61360291
What about a 460? Found one for $110.

>>61360318
The combined result of smartphones increasing demand, and new investments in 3D NAND fabrications.
The prices won't normalize until Q2 2018

>>61360339
Also good.

I have this 8GB module I pulled out of a prebuilt from Best Buy,

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hynix-HMA41GU6AFR8N-TF-8GB-DDR4-2133-2Rx8-Non-ECC-UDIMM-Server-Memory-/361402277539

Hynix 8GB, apparently its server memory? It costs more than others it seems.

>>61359964

You can get that combo for $25 less at micro center.

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>>61360322
Looks like it just barely fits in there

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Which reading in HW Monitor is the correct reading for CPU temperature? Is it CPUTIN or package temperature? In the BIOS it says my CPU is at 38 degrees so I would assume I have to read CPUTIN for actual CPU temperature?

>>61360358
You forgot the part where the gooks outright said that they're not going to compete with each other on price. It's another price fixing scam just like the one they ran 15 years ago.

>>61360453
>You forgot the part where the gooks outright said that they're not going to compete with each other on price.
Source?

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https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/gVBxM8

What do you think? (I don't play games by the way)

Also why is it giving me compatibility issues when I add a physical DVD drive?

I'm currently feeling split. I've always used Intel in all builds throughout my life, but AMD really seems like a better option at the moment. Never been so unsure what to buy. Had the idea of replacing the 7800X later on with an 18 core CPU once they've become cheap.

>>61360447
CPUTIN not the package temp that's a different sensor. You can double check using the Ryzen Master software from AMD if you want. It will use the correct sensor automatically.

>>61360472
Oh yeah, and maybe recommend me a mobo.

Haven't build a PC in a good while and I was surprised how pretty much every part nowadays has flashing LEDs everywhere, like you have no choice but to build a carnival attraction.

Best games to break in new XB271HK 4k monitor? Already playing Witcher 3 and trying my hand at a Ultra-Nightmare run of Doom 2016

>>61360472
Undo the Intel brainwashing, anon. I was the same way but once you get over it everything is fine. That said you could wait for Threadripper in August or get a cheap Xeon workstation if you just want a lot of cores.

>>61360472
>€342.94 for a motherboard

lmaooo bruh

>>61360472
What kind of work do you do?
Would recommend that you look at benchmarks for your particular tasks and see if it's sensible to invest in X299 over Ryzen.

>>61360513
AOTS

>>61360536
No X299 is a waste of time and money, you'd be better off with used Xeon chips or waiting for TR.

>>61360574
I have no idea what this person's use case is or intention for the future. I have no idea what they are doing beyond "not gaming". I assume something CPU-intensive? I can't judge really.

>>61360261
Temp problems I mean.

>>61360398
Thank you.

>>61360524
>wait for Threadripper
>>61360574
>waiting for TR
The problem is they're only offering the 12 and 16 core versions, and honestly 800 for a CPU is out of my range. The 7800X is okay for now and I can always upgrade later on, if need be.

>>61360629
>The 7800X is okay for now
Okay for what?
What will you use this machine for?

>>61360524
God you AMD fags are more obnoxious than the intel jews.

>>61360661
>recommends a Xeon
>AMD fag

Literal retard

>>61360460
>“At the same time, changes have occurred in the relationship among the top three suppliers – Micron, SK Hynix and Samsung,” Wu added. “Based on the oligopolistic market situation, the trio have opted for co-existence as the best way to maximize their own profitability. They therefore are turning away from aggressively competing for market share through price reduction and capacity expansion.”

http://press.trendforce.com/press/20161102-2677.html

The RAM industry has a loooooooong history of this shit. They're just getting better at covering their tracks as time passes.

>>61360671
>Undo the Intel brainwashing
There's literally nothing good about Ryzen or the threadripper. sorry :^)

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>>61360473
I put Prime95 full blast and compared readings from Ryzen Master and HWMonitor. It just doesn't match up... Should I trust Ryzen Master over HWMonitor?

>>61360725
Being reticent to buy a product due to loyalty to another brand is brainwashing, retard.

>>61360731
Weird, on my board one of the sensors is dead on with the temps in Ryzen Master. Do you have the latest BIOS on your board? I think Ryzen Master is generally accepted as correct in these situations.

>>61360731
Yes, because master is AMD. HWmonitor adds 20C offset by default on Ryzen temps, you have to turn it off.

>>61360691
Interesting. Thanks.
Also notable is the China angle.

>>61357489
get H110M R3.0. R3.0 100s can run kaby lake chips

>>61360774
My board is using the most up to date BIOS version.

>>61359433
Ryzen CPUs have less stutter? Stutter in games on my 3570K is whats driving me to buy a new CPU.

>>61357544
>After rebooting PC there were artifacts on screen (pic related). I've took out my GPU and after some time put it back. Now it works correctly. What could it be? Is my GPU dying?
Overheating. Set a better fan curve or play in Russian winter.

>>61360837
Lower frametimes and higher minimum FPS so yes they have less stutter, sometimes significantly so.

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My friend told me if I put ubuntu on a USB stick I'll be able to switch my files from my SSD to HDD so I can do a clean win10 install because I tried to install Ryzen on win7.
Would this work?
This is turning out to be harder than I thought.

>>61360837
It's more an issue with i5s generally.
i7s and R5/R7 tend to be better in that regard.

>>61360747
Not when said product is marginally better

Anyone know where to get somewhat cheap 1155 motherboards? My asrock shit out on me.

>>61360837
You need more ram. I nearly fell for the "just buy a new cpu" meme when my games suddenly became stutterfests. Turned out I was actually running out of ram even though all my hardware monitors were saying I wasn't. I went from 8 to 16 and it's like I've breathed new life into my 4690k. There isn't any game I can't run at 1080p60 locked with that cpu and my gtx 1070 oc.

Apparently the issue is with the paging file. If streaming data from there it causes massive latency and stutters.

>>61360899
I suppose it's a good thing it's significantly better in that case. And it's still brainwashing, retard, please don't try changing the goalposts every time you're wrong it's going to get tiring for you.

Are the failure rates on modern Seagate drives acceptable? My WD 1TB external is making some very disconcerting noises so I thought I'd get one of these ASAP, but should I get a western digital instead?

>>61360809
Now let's see Intel try to rip it off.

>>61361002
http://cplonline.com.au/seagate-st1000dm010-barracuda-1tb-desktop-hdd.html

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>>61360837
>stutter
It's a problem with i5s and some i7s. Just 4 and 8 thread chips are getting maxed out by some games now and you will get stutter. The 6 core Ryzen is a massive help in that regards and it's cheap too. Picture for comparison and you can see the 4 threads getting maxed out while the Ryzen 6 core is just chilling.

>>61360864
It'll work. No pain no gain anon.

>>61361002
WD is #1. Trying running Crystaldiskinfo diagnostic on it

>>61361018
I'm loving the multithreaded nature of modern games, it's giving my 6C/12T Westmere Xeon a second wind.

>>61361018
Isn't this a consequence of AMD being on consoles?

>>61361028
I did and it says drive is in good health, but the drive is making some nasty noises and it also locks my file explorer up when I connect it.

I'm tempted to run chkdsk on the drive, but I have some important files on it so I think I should leave it unplugged until I get a new drive, and just hope that it lasts long enough to copy all the stuff off.

>>61359683
4K@60 or 1440p@144hz is best for that GPU, keep in mind the latter requires more resources than the former.

>>61361043
No.

>>61360926
While I do only have 8GB of RAM in this system, im not so sure its RAM related. For example in PUBG or BF1 my CPU is maxed at 100% constantly. I noticed in games where my CPU is at 100% I start stuttering around. When I set the process as high priority, suddenly the game runs smoother. To me that smells CPU related, but who knows.

>>61361136
So if you used an R3 which is 4c/4t and compared it to latest i5 4c/4t would you end up with the same 90 to 100 CPU usage?

>>61361159
no. i have pubg and i know exactly what you're talking about. after the ram upgrade my cpu is still in the high 90% utilization but with absolutely no stuttering and i can run multiple apps like discord and chrome on the side too with still no stuttering. it's definitely ram related.

>>61361189
is this bait?

I have a FX-8350 at stock, is it worth upgrading to something like a R5 1600x or a i5 7700k for gaming mostly, maybe light VM stuff.

>>61361189
Probably yes

>>61361189
We don't know since R3 isn't out yet.
But assuming the issue was purely due to thread count, that might happen.

>>61361354
Only if you have a GPU that is worth driving.
ie 1070 and up. 8350 can drive a 1060/580 without issue.

I'm actually excited about Threadripper now. I can finally put my ancient Dell Precision behemoth to rest.

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Recently I replaced a DC jack in my samsung laptop.
The problem was, it was connected to a large ground plane (obviously) which made it mad hard to desolder it. To make things worse, it's case was all metal (grounded) with 2 leads on each side holding it to the PCB and 2-3 leads pins at the back for power (pic related). So not only was it sinking heat like crazy but also had multiple leads.
I tried desoldering it with a desoldering iron (iron with a desoldering pump in it), standalone desoldering pump, wick, mixing in some of my own solder and a lot of patience. I was too pussy with temps over 400C because it was already heating everything around it and I was too afraid to overheat other things. I didn't want to jerk it off too much to not lift the pads.
I don't own own a heat gun, however I have a propane torch but didn't want to use it because even though it works well when desoldering elements with multiple leads, I had experienced overheating other components with it before.

So my question is - how does one desolder things like that?

In my case, I got frustrated and just cut it out with a needle file. Even though I covered everything with tape to protect it from accidental cuts, I managed to cut the ground plane in half, exposing a trace underneath it. Not a big deal I think, since the current still goes through the jack, and I covered the exposed trace with an epoxy.

>>61361233
I'm serious as a heart attack.
>>61361358
>>61361376
So I guess it's until July 27 when we'll find out if R3 is any better than an i5 for games

if i clone my current harddrive onto a spare, i should be able to access my files and shit via usb on my new pc right?

>>61362140
At what point to you expect there to be problems?

>>61361923
it has a massive clock difference which isn't in it's favor. just look at the 1500x which is 4c/8t but get steamrolled by the 7700k (also 4c/8t) because of clocks

>>61359760
You can't use DDR3 RAM with a mobo that supports DDR4

>>61359826
If you're a student, you might be able to get it through your university

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Hey /g/ I too some of that advice I got a few days ago and decided what I was going to replace my Mobo, CPU and ram with. This is what I'm getting and keeping. I'd also like to get a new tower case so any advice on that would be appreciateded. I'm also keeping my cooler master g550m because it doesnt look like I'd need to get more w even when I eventualy upgrade my gpu when those prices become less shit. I'm just about ready to buy when I figure which case I should get so advice for that would be nice, mostly worried about something with good airflow. Does airflow even matter?

Anyone see anything wrong with this or have any advice? should I just get the 7 1700 over the 5 1600?

I have a budget of up to £1000, I currently have a fx8320 hd7950 650W psu 16gb ddr3. I have three monitors (1 144hz TN 2 dell 60hz ips) I use the 144 for csgo mostly and my primary monitor. I want to upgrade because of my new job. I want more FPS in csgo and pubg so I can utilize 144 in pubg and maintain 300+ in csgo. I'm working as a software developer and need a good PC since my new job doesn't provide a work pc like my previous one did. I have a case, psu so I don't need to get new ones.

What do you guys recommend, I was thinking R7 1700X 1070 16gb of 2333? Any thoughts.

>>61362140
Does your hard drive have windows on it? It might be locked if you try to make it external and connect to different pc

>>61362695
Would you guys think that this is a good case for me to go with?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SilverStone-SST-PS13B-Precision-Tower-Case/dp/B00T2FFZ40/ref=sr_1_19?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1499988679&sr=1-19&keywords=atx%2Btower%2Bcase&th=1

>>61362744
Does that even come up to 1000? The 1070 in the current climate is easily 1/2 your budget.

>>61362847
Ram is too fast your shit doesn't support it.

>>61362897
Yeah it does reach I think it's like £1024 or something I don't mind going slightly over.

>>61362930
>>61362744
Here's the list I got so far.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Yd9zcc

>>61362930
I don't think the 1070 can do 144 in an unoptimized game like PUBG tho. You might want to go check the benchmarks.

>>61362982
Do you really need a AIO? Why not get a air cooler and then get more expensive RAM? I doubt it gets really hot in the UK.

>>61363000
I have a 212 evo, would that be fine? I just wanted a aio I guess. If I don't need it I don't mind just using the cooler I I've already got.

>>61362906
lol thats funny because its running at 3220mhz rn. So tell me how it doesn't support it?

>>61362983
At this point I don't think anything gets 144 consistently in that game, but in the future I'd hope a 1070 would.

Currently have https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MG3IX4F ordered (when it was $142), can cancel

Looking at https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487297

Can I get some pros/cons? I'm getting into PC gaming so I have no previous knowledge myself.

>>61363039
144 on 1080 or 1440?
If it is the latter, i doubt that will happen.

>>61363019
Hey if you have the budget and the money why not? But if you use the 212 evo (you gonna need to buy a AM4 bracket for that) then you can buy better clocked RAM

>>61363048
The 1050ti is fine and probably the best card you can buy which isn't price gouged at the moment.

>>61363038
Ignore him he's shit posting.
>>61363069
144 on 1080, I'm just asking if it is worth it. Its unlikely I'll overclock it and I'll probably end up putting it on XFR. Wouldn't a 212 evo suffice? Also sound difference perhaps.

>>61363079
Yeah but the Amazon link (first) I already have ordered for $142, waiting for it to ship.

Would it be worth it to down/sidegrade to the Newegg link for $95 (after rebate)?

>>61362983
>>61363039
>>61363069

I have 1080ti and pubg barely gets to 144 in 1080p. at 2k is barely steady at 90.

>>61363104
What cpu you got? Any overclock on CPU or GPU? RAM, amount, speed?

>>61363151
7700k running at 4.88

>>61363103
What games do you play?
Go look at the benchmarks for 1050ti vs 1050 and compare them to the games you play.

>>61362982
>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Yd9zcc

get a 1600 instead.

>>61363224
What's the reasoning behind that? I also run a Plex server for my friends and family to use. Also wouldn't a a 1600 struggle in compiling, and multitasking?

>>61363174
Didn't notice the EVGA wasn't Ti. The averages do really stand out.

Is that gap worth $47 though?

>>61363269
>Is that gap worth $47 though?
Depends on the games you play.

>>61363262
>1600 struggle in compiling, and multitasking
It's 6 cores, 12 threads of pure Ryzen power.
It can handle multitasking just fine, trust me.

>>61363262
>6 core
>12 threads

you'll be fine. you'll also save like 100 quid

>>61363277
>>61363285
Money really isn't a problem here, is the performance gain from 1700x from 1600 so minimal that I don't need it?

>>61362695
>>61362889
Any advice on these, boys? I'm m thinking of sticking with 5 1600 but what about the case and is the ram fine or could be better?

>>61363324
It doesn't matter if money isn't an issue, 100 pounds for like 10% max performance is just downright bad decision making.
Tbh anything higher than the 1600 is a scam (1700 is ok because you get the cooler).

>>61358394
Ryzen with higher clocks RAM?

>>61363273
I'm primarily interested in PS3 emulation (And 360 when it comes around) which prefers Vulkan.

Can't say anything from PC gaming since I've been on GT 630 for years. I'll stick with the Ti I have ordered then, just to have that headroom.

How big upgrade is i5 3570k -> 3770k? Should I do it?

Any improvements in modern games etc.?
My motherboard is Asus Maximus Formula V

>>61363324
unless you're doing some hardcore editing or production stuff then the 1700 isn't worth it at all. you also don't need the x370 mobo unless you plan to sli, as that's pretty much its only advantage. you can overclock with any b350 board.

>>61360472
>7800x
Y tho? You better off with Threadripper and wait for the 24 core variant

>>61363392
What about 1600X? Is the x worth it?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GyxMNN

combining these new parts with my old HDD, 550w PSU and GTX960. Think this is good or should something different be done?

Think I'd need to buy another fan for the back of the case too?

>>61360472
>I'm currently feeling split. I've always used Intel in all builds throughout my life, but AMD really seems like a better option at the moment.
You must not be very old if you don't remember the last period when AMD utterly pulverized Intel. Those days are upon us again.

>>61363506
only if you have more money than brains and don't know how to overclock. the 1600 is cheaper, comes with a good cooler and can overclock to at least 1600x speeds and also further. the 1600x is for people who don't want/can't overclock as it comes with higher clocks out of the box but it doesn't even come with a cooler. as far as i've seen literally every 1600/x can reach at least 3.9ghz so it's not more expensive due to higher binning.

>>61363557
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/TBzcKZ
Is this good? Im gonna stick to the 1700 tho.

>>61363712
looks fine. you'd need to get cooler masters "free" hyper 212 evo am4 kit which actually costs like 7 quid for delivery.

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/vgcag/ - Video Game Console Assembly General

>>61363775
Yeah I noticed, cheers.

>>61363712
The 1700 comes with a decent cooler though

>>61363780
no. We still recommend Intel for some things. Even console makes have abandoned Intel

>>61363785
Better or equal to the 212? The 212 is pretty loud and I would prefer something quieter.

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>>61363785
Not if he plans on overclocking

>>61363803
It can handle an OC to 3.8 Ghz. 3.9 will get toasty. If you want a better cooler, look at the Cryorig H7

>>61363811
>@3.9Ghz
opinion discarded

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>tfw went with a 7700k just prior Ryzen came out
I wish I could have a R7 right now instead, but selling my whole build for that would be stupid I think as I wouldn't even fully put that R7 to use. Hell I don't even feel like I'm even using my 7700k that much either, it's just psychological in the end, like a placebo effect.
The feeling of having supported literal jews is real though, wish I could've supported AMD. At least I can comfort myself in that I didn't buy an i5.

Things are getting quite interesting anyway I must say, and I've learned and am learning quite a lot, so surely I'll be able to make a more informed choice next time I upgrade.

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should i get the 1700x for -$100 or a 1600x
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=21989

>>61363824
the difference is the 212 can handle even heavy overclocks to 4ghz whereas the stock cooler shits itself. he already has a 212 evo so he should use that. it's objectively better.

>ASRock released a god damn Windows 7 USB patcher that lets you install it on AM4 motherboards with full USB support

Fucking amazing I'm legitimately floored at the level of support. Here I am with Windows 7 on an AM4 mobo, on an NVME SSD no less, and I didn't have to fuck around at all.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YVChpb

Thoughts?

If I use a Samsung 960 EVO NVMe M.2 SSD with Asus ROG Strix Z270E, how much faster will it be than if I was to just use a Samsung 850 EVO SSD?

>>61364082
Makes up for their 4 month EoL board then. Lmao.

>>61363829
i fell you. I would buy a Ryzen build but all I do is web browse. so im going pentium so I can go budget at least.

>Still no vega leaks
The vega is going to suck huh?

>>61364188
>process per tab
>webm
>Javascript everywhere

Honestly web browsing is pretty heavy on the CPU these days.

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>>61363341
no point for the R7 1700 if you only have a 960, and even if you upgrade it should bottleneck any GPU out on the market right now.

>>61364223
that's also true. well since i haven't built it yet, I'm propbably gonna wait for R3, see what's worth it and then build.

>>61363341
>>61364257
Oh, I just realized I didn't link the part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DvkzRG

Is there any felt improvement from i5 3450 going to ryzen 1600?
I don't game, just a regular web dev using photoshop from time to time. I have 3 1080p monitor using 1060.

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>tfw I can sell my $235 RX480 for $500

>>61364357
But you can't replace it with anything since even 1070's have been scooped up by miners

If I get a new case will I need to get an extra fan and some cables for it to not melt its insides?

>>61364438
Fans are a meme. Passive cooling is the future

>>61364357
>>61364389
Good time to grow out of video games
Invest the $500 in a low-cost S&P 500 index fund

>>61356839
>>61356854
bump, I need to know also

>>61364497
>Not putting 500 into ISP stocks and then making bank when they gut NN

>>61364497
If you have a Ryzen system, you NEED a GPU

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Should I really get this gpu?

I have a passing interest in mining from a technical pov, I have a strong interest in VR, I currently pay for Google Cloud's gpu instances for my statistics & ml work. So really I want a GPU that does both seamless graphics and good GPP compute. I don't do any 3d modelling or video rendering. Perhaps I should wait for the gayming editions and get one of those if they're cheaper? But then I read that they'll likely be very difficult to actually get due to stock limitations for a few months.

Also, can someone explain to me the difference between a "gaming" gpu and a "workstation" gpu? I mean a technical explanation. Everyone I've asked has told me some variation of "different drivers". Since drivers (and chip microcode) is just software, I have a hard time believing they would actually sell the same hardware and differentiate price on the drivers & microcode.

t. consumer compute market newfag

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>>61364592
GeForce GT 1030

included bonus: it's 100% passive and silent

>>61356839
ram prices, though high at the moment AREN'T the thing you need to be worried about. It's GPU prices, which will HOPEFULLY calm down once the mining specific cards come out.
Ram prices should start to fall around September/October since supply should be able to meet demand by then. HOPEFULLY GPU prices will fall by then too, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Having hopes or expectations only leads to them being shattered later.

>>61364672
No you don't. Get another GPU and put that money into a better mobo. If you're rich go x370.

>>61364692
This is a terrible fucking card, just buy a used 750ti or 650ti. Both are faster and cost typically half a GT1030. All you're gonna need to do is reapply thermal paste on the pre-owned gpus, so they're running in tip top shape.

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>>61364771
I am rich. Can you explain to me the benefits of an x370? I don't quite understand the difference, since I am set on Mini ITX.

And since I can easily afford the card, why shouldn't I get it? I'm honestly just getting into the hardware market so some explanations would be solid.

Do CPUs come with paste when you buy them? Would they be on the stock fan or the cpu?

>>61364893
They would come with some thermal paste pre applied on the heatsink not the fan. HSF or Heatsink Fan is what you'd call the cooler on your cpu unless you have a custom solution.

>>61364880
Oh that was a miniITX. I see.
Well the VRM on the Gigabyte you linked isn't the best which means you won't be able to overclock as much as you want. If you don't care about overclocking it's fine though. I don't think there are x370 ITX boards.

For the card the performances are just disappointing it seems. What do you plan on doing with it?

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So I have an AMD apu A8-7650K, what's a good ram i can get to reach its full potential?

guys, the white/blue case I wanted (Corsair Spec Alpha, exclusive to newegg) has sold out with no foreseeable restock soon. What to replace it with? White/blue build, need usb 3.0 front ports, and a side window. will not touch feactal design. if I want something with a brushed look, I'll get a DeLorean.
Looking at NZXT S340 and Phanteks Eclipse P400 but no blue accents on the white versions. :/

>>61364880
More features, Compared to B350 X370 platform adds four more 5Gbps USB gen. 1 ports, twice as many SATA III connections, two more PCIe lanes, dual PCIe 3.0 slots to support CrossFire and SLI

If you dont give a fuck about SLI just get a B350

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>>61365067
Nani?

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What is the cheapest CPU that would be able to play 4K60fps video? 7100?

So the bastards that are fast enough to snag the 570s that appear in stock are still paying $250+?

>>61365085
the light isn't what I'd consider a blue accent, but I'm considering it.

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>>61365056
ASRock makes the only one at the moment, pic related.

* Plan to purchase VR gear soonish, intended use for some gaming but primarily simulations and hobbyist VR development work
* Statistics & ML work, I live with a SAS employee and we teach each other from our respective fields, I could definitely use the compute for this instead of paying for gcloud gpu instances
* Maybe some gaming? I don't currently play any games except Quake 3 but I can see VR bleeding over into my entertainment choices

Also if you could explain "gaming" vs "workstation" gpu's in any technical depth lower than "drivers optimized for rendering" I would appreciate much

I wonder when Ethereum mining will crash. I hope it's sometimes soon, because although my r9 280x keeps on chugging, I still need an upgrade in order to play games on my 4k monitor at native res. Before you reply saying that I shouldn't have bought a monitor, it was only $140.

>>61365148
Ethereum crashed a few weeks ago and now sits at half the value it was at previously.
other crypto currencies are going strong yet though

>>61365088
probably a Ryzen 5 1400

>>61365143
I'm afraid I can't help you much more than that with my limited knowledge on these subjects, I don't know much aside from gaming computers, so good luck in your researches.

If you're interested I would recommend you to look over the new Threadripper CPUs by AMD. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3pJ_--nf5E
If you aren't interested then the 1800X is an excellent choice anyway.

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>>61365256
I could certainly use the threads as I develop multithreaded software for fun and work, but to my understanding they'll not be on Mini ITX boards, right? Since x399 is not suited for Mini ITX?

>>61365258
So on the B350 and x370 boards in a Mini ITX form factor, they both have
* 1 PCIe slot
* 4 sata slots

The only differentiator is USB 3.0 ports. So there's virtually no difference between them in the Mini ITX world.

If I'm not missing anything, then it's really a question of whether 2 usb 3.0 ports are worth $30 to me?

Trying to help a friend build a pc, but the gpu prices have fucked it all up.
He's looking to play some modern titles, Witcher 3, Doom, at 1080p.
Should I recommend he opt for a 1050 or 560? Only cards available locally are a 780 ti, 660, r9 280, and r9 290x

>>61365396
>hen it's really a question of whether 2 usb 3.0 ports are worth $30 to me?

Yup, in your form factor its the only difference, other then maybe the frequency of bios updates at release, i imagine the high end boards were given preferential treatment.

>>61365396
>but to my understanding they'll not be on Mini ITX boards, right? Since x399 is not suited for Mini ITX?
Indeed, we're looking at the level of x99 or x299 boards here.

>build computer
>Ryzen 5 1600
>Gigabyte A320M motherboard
>8gb DDR4 3200 RAM
>Samsung SSD
>GTX 1050

Oh boy here we go...
>pop Linux Mint 18.2 usb into USB slot
>atempt to boot from usb
>crash

Can't install Linux. What do?

>>61365583
is your ram on the QVL ?

try pulling the CMOS and wait 10 mins and try again.

does it boot windows?

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>>61359692
>actually getting giga-cucked
lmao what's wrong? can't afford 10Gbit? are you poor?

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