/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>61253291
nice touch on the "Used xeon" part

>>61253349
What do you mean?

I just wanted to thank whoever wrote up the OP. it's really helpful and informative.
One thing I noticed was that it claims ryzen CPUs benefit greatly from higher ram speeds. Is that in regards to gaming, or other more work oriented applications?
Thanks

Any word on the upcomming Coffee Lake processor? z170 compatible? It's like a month away, right?

>>61253291
>7700k
no one buys that shit, dont even bother

>>61253532
DOA, if its a 6 core then its Turbo DOA and will have weaker single core than babby lake

screencap this

>>61253560
wow you have shit taste in vidya

>>61253578
thanks

>>61253532
>z170 compatible?
nope. COmpletely new socket. You'll have to get an all new motherboard for Coffeelake. LGA1151 is pretty much dead at this point. Kaby Lake is the most powerful you'll get on LGA1151.

>>61253464
>Is that in regards to gaming, or other more work oriented applications?
In regard to everything that can get faster with a faster CPU. Higher memory speed means higher core-to-core communication so it's as if you increased the CPU frequency but only when two cores are talking together, or to be more accurate it lowers the latency between the cores so they can communicate faster. It translates to noticeably higher framerate in gaming and noticeably better performance in multi-threaded software too

>>61253560
>https://nz.pcpartpicker.com
that's not a build link anon

>>61253553
144hz builds do use a 7700k

>>61253627
reee!!!!! I have to build it myself?

k 5 mins

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i need your help /pcbg/

im looking to buy an LGA1366 board for cheap.

since they are all fairly old now, they are expensive. ive checked newegg and ebay (and amazon and buy and tiger direct).

are there any sites that sell this kind of stuff for cheap (like a chinese site that sells old overstock)? or does anyone know of a dirt cheap LGA1366 board that is easy to pick up on ebay?

>>61253657
Well yes, the first two lines of the OP states that if you want help you need to assemble the build yourself .

>>61253684
i should add that i already grabbed a dell T3500 motherboard (then subsequently shelled out for an empty case because it is a proprietary size and has a proprietary front panel board and pinout).

thats as cheap as i could find. but i still dont know how it is gonna go as far as rebuilding.

i have a xeon x5677 to use in it as well. i was hoping to get a consumer board as i have a case, ram, psu and gpu ready to go. and making sure that all works and fits inside the dell case is still a question mark.

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Where can I find a reliable list for GPU's which work perfectly fine with FOSS drivers on GNU/Linux? How good are free drivers these days for more recent cards?

>>61253645
Mine doesnt stop shilling

Doing a used build around a 3470 I got and having trouble picking a MB. I'm looking at the AsRock B75M, Asus P8H61-M and the AsRock H61M-S. I like the B75M since it supports higher ram speeds and doesn't need a bios update to work(?). Really I'm looking for a second opinion and any suggestions on other boards.

>>61253815
>waah shill!
Fuck off shill.

>>61253354
he changed this
>R7/Xeon/Threadripper - Compute/Multitask/VM/mixed use; Not for just gaming

to this

>R7/Used Xeon/Threadripper - Compute/Multitask/VM/mixed use; Not for just gaming

It's a nice touch to emphasize on the "used" part, because it implies that you should only get a xeon if you can get it for cheap

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Not a shill. This is what I am considering now. I realize it is not a "build," but the 27" retina screen alone is almost worth it. This is $1800. I will add RAM and external storage later. Worth it?


Processor

3.3GHz quad‑core Intel Core i5 (Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz)
Memory

8GB (two 4GB) of 1867MHz DDR3 memory; four SO-DIMM slots, user accessible
Storage

2TB Fusion Drive1
Graphics

AMD Radeon R9 M395 graphics processor with 2GB of GDDR5 memory
Video Support and Camera

FaceTime HD camera

Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to two 4096-by-2160 external displays or one 5120-by-2880 dual-cable external display

Support for extended desktop and video mirroring modes
Input/Output

Headphone port

SDXC card slot

Four USB 3 ports (up to 5 Gbps, compatible with USB 2)

Two Thunderbolt 2 ports (up to 20 Gbps)

Mini DisplayPort output with support for HDMI, DVI, VGA, and dual-link DVI (adapters sold separately)

10/100/1000BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet (RJ-45 connector)

Kensington lock slot
Audio

Stereo speakers

Dual microphones

Headphone port

Headphone/optical digital audio output (minijack)

Support for Apple iPhone headset with microphone
Wireless

802.11ac Wi-Fi wireless networking; IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n compatible; Bluetooth 4.0 wireless technology
Size and weight

Height: 20.3 inches (51.6 cm)

Width: 25.6 inches (65.0 cm)

Depth: 8 inches (20.3 cm) with stand

Weight: 21 pounds (9.54 kg)4

refurb.

>>61253291
>tfw you killed an fx-55 this way
Its memory controller was broken already since it only worked in single channel set, but still I was mad as fuck.

>>61254009
what is the resolution of the meme screen?

>>61254031
5120‑by‑2880 resolution

>>61254009
Any reason why you wouldn't just buy one new with slightly better specs for the same price?
https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/imac?product=MNE92LL/A&step=config#
>3.4GHz i5
>8GB 2400MHz DDR4
>1TB HDD
>4GB Radeon Pro 570

>>61254067
are you sure? there were a lot of imacs

>>61254071
The fusion drive? I'm not sure it is all it is cracked up to be, but it sounds good.

>>61254083
I'm not sure, that's why I'm asking. I like the retina, and I don't know if I could get a monitor with that resolution anywhere else. It's almost like the rest of the computer is "thrown in." And I am a Unix guy, so MacOS is something I can use. Sed/Awk/shellcode. I know this shit.

>>61254128
well, most of the newer ones come with retina displays, but not that much comes with 5k screens

>Current build
https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/CpsZyf

>Budget
$1680
>Country
New Zealand
>Games I want to play
Arma 3, Rust, Elderscrolls Cat people, 4chan browsing
>Monitor
1080p

hopefully it is GPU passthrough compatible, I'll probably use my current amd graphics card for linux and the gtx for the pass through

>>61254179
how many Hz is the monitor?

>>61254198
85hz I think

>>61254204
That's not very good it is ?

>>61254263
I don't care desu

it's worked fine for 10 years

http://www.viewsonic.com.au/products/archive/VX2433wm.php


I will replace it later when I have money spare.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/szTB3F
$0 parts are placeholders for wattage calculator

>>61254312
Is this a joke?

>>61254336
no, just seeing what a x10sra build might look like

Wait is this some kind of a joke I'm not getting? Why the fuck does 570 cost more than 1060 6gb? Is this some miners bullshit?

>>61254336
I'll probably do it anyway. Then come back and tell everyone to kiss me ass.

>>61254009
>>61254071
>>61254088
Fusion drives are just SSHD drives and are just as hopeless as normal drives.

And the retina screens... Enjoy your 8-bit 72% sRGB rubbish

>>61254358
Yes.

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I got a 1700 and a Gigabyte AB350-Gaming 3 and Flare X RAM and that shit won't work, breadboarded it and fans spin but red CPU LED on the mobo

Had a friend test the CPU and RAM in his setup and they're fine so it's either the mobo or the PSU (RM650x), I did an RMA request on the mobo just to get the process started and the vendor wrote back saying that they can flash the BIOS for 15e and it will work

What is this bullshit, 1700 was literally the first Ryzen CPU released and the mobo claims Ryzen support so how is it possible that it needs BIOS update, for R5 I understand because those came out later but for R7? What the fuck guys help me

HELP

>>61254352
>>61254372
sure, if you like to throw money in the trash, go for it

how do I get started on upgrading

>>61254384
what are motherboard revisions for 500 jimmy?

>>61254384
Neither R5 nor R7 need a bios update to work on AM4 motherboards, no idea why it doesn't work though.

>>61254388
what would a better x10sra build look like?

>>61254376
What do I do now? I figured myself a nice r5 1600 rx570 build and cash for it is laying nearly in my pocket, but it seems unwise to buy now.
What do? Wait? Pick another gpu?

>>61254410
oh, forget it, didn't realize you wanted that specific motherboard

go for it then

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How much RAM do I actually need for an 80 TiB RAIDZ3 box? Everyone knows the 1TB-1GiB guideline, but apparently that is outdated and that much RAM isn't truly necessary. Also, registered or no?

>>61254416
No one has any idea when will this end so you're better off buying another GPU like a 1060 6GB if you can find it at decent price

>>61254417
did you have a different motherboard in mind?

>>61254384
Were you a silly boy and activate the XMP profile without checking the QVL? Reset the bios so the ram runs at 2133 then manually input your ram timings and voltage.

>>61254417
Thank you. I think I will. Need that resolution and I can buy better gpu later. At least the screen will isuppot it. np?

>>61254404
How can a product that says "Ryzen supported" on it not support the very first Ryzen CPU tho
Explain for 500 pls
>>61254405
Forums and Plebbit do claim that that mobo needs at least BIOS F5 for R5

>>61254476
>How can a product that says "Ryzen supported" on it not support the very first Ryzen CPU tho
Easy. The RAM module is incompatible with the mobo. Did you check the QVL friendo?

>>61254473
Wish I was silly enough to be able to get it to POST even, it hangs at red CPU LED and that's it

Have tried CMOS battery clear and shit, RAM in all slot combinations, reseating CPU and checking pins

>>61254470
well, if you/he was willing/able to wait and switch, threadripper will give a lot better performance than that xeon

>>61254474
what resolution? if i'm not mistaken you didn't put the screen you'd be using with that

>>61254493
You're right, I bought RAM off the QVL but maybe that was a newer QVL compared to what I was shipped
I bought that overpriced Flare X shit because it was supposed to be binned to "just work" FML

>>61254536
Try flashing the bios. It takes what? 5 minutes max and if it still doesn't work just RMA the board.

>>61254547
gigabyte has had dual bios for some time now tho

>>61254518
Im assuming atm you just have the board bare assed to the world. There is no chance of anything that might cause a short somewhere? Also apart from the required cpu ram and power connectors have you plugged anything else in? If you have anything else plugged in remove it.

>>61254557
What has that got to do with flashing the bios?

>>61254583
because if you fuck one of them you have another one

>>61254529
funny you mention threadripper, i've also been considering seeing how epyc pans out. i'm a bit hesitant going that route though. e5-2600 v3/v4 have been out for a while, which i see as a plus. waiting a bit to see how the newer hardware turns out is also an option.

also fwiw, there's another anon who's pretending to be me? not that you have any reason to believe me on an engrish picture board.

>>61254616
Most bios now come with a way to unbrick a mobo if you fuck it up. For ASUS, it is naming your bios a certain name, putting it into a certain USB slot and then hitting a button on the motherboard to unbrick it and flash said bios. It is very hard to brick a mobo nowadays.

>>61254627
was the second post I quoted you too? the one talking about gpu and resolution?

>>61254547
No POST so I think I would need Q Flash Plus to update BIOS from USB and that's only on Asus B350s as far as I know, definitely not my Gigabyte

Maybe best bet is to go to a local PC shop and have them flash for me so I don't wait 2 weeks for RMA shipping

>>61254579
Yeah bare ass breadboarded on some cardboard, CPU RAM and mobo only, nothing to short
I tried with GPU also but still got stuck at red CPU LED so have since stripped that out too
Do I need to set up direct VGA out? It wasn't doing shit with the GPU attached but maybe that's worth a try?
Also this piece of shit didn't come with mobo speaker
Also new captchas suck

>>61254646
no

these are me
>>61254352
>>61254410
>>61254470
>>61254627

these are mystery anon
>>61254372
>>61254474

>>61254684
>Also new captchas suck
Install 4chanx and use legacy captcha

>>61254684
>>61254697
you can also enable legacy captcha in vanilla 4chan settings

>>61254693
glad we cleared that up

going back to the discussion, what are you planning to do with that workstation?

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Got a temp probe thing and stuck it on the VRM on my motherboard, it says it's at 74C while running Prime95. Is that fine?

>>61254734
I don't think so, but just in case post mobo, cpu and clockspeeds

>>61254780
Assrock Extreme 4 Z77, 3570K, 4.7GHz.

>>61254807
>AssCock
Lmao.

>>61254714
my main concerns are reliability/longevity/stability. a little aside on the longevity: my current pc is 10+ years old. i've replaced a few caps on the mobo that were bulging. it's still running ok, but i'd like my next to do as well (or better) with fewer such hiccups. i have it in my head that "server" hardware will help in this regard, hence the xeon/epyc focus. this is also why i picked the wx 5100's. my thinking is higher voltage + lower power draw -> longer life...

plan is to run linux for most things, then various vm's with qemu/kvm. fbsd for nfs/smb/cifs with zfs, windows for games with one of the gpu's on passthrough. more as desired (i have a few ideas floating around, but those two are the ones i'm pretty set on).

i don't need great performance in games. honestly, the only newish game i see myself playing is doom4 sp... and that's a maybe. mostly, i have a bunch of old, but newer than my pc, games i'd like to play.

basically, performance isn't a primary factor for me. pretty much anything will be a massive upgrade at this point. otoh, it'd be nice to have something that'll do ok for the next 10 years (either as is, or with upgraded components). since i can't predict the future, i'm just compensating by going a little overkill.

sorry, that ended up being a bit long...

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Is the price difference between the R5 1600 and 1600x worth it (i am not using the stock cooler)

>>61254839
wait for threadripper then, it will have more cores that are each stronger than those xeon ones

>>61254900
If you will oc it - then yes, if not - no.

What's a better monitor for everything and not just for gaming, 1080p 144hz or 1440p 60hz?

>>61254900
The question should be if you're overclocking or not.

X = Not overclocking or you want to push overclocks to the absolute limit. (Higher binned)

No X = Overclocking.

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Can the RX 580 8gb run games at 1080×5760 at decent frame rate? If not is there any graphics card that can run that at the same price or for little more?

Who here 1800X/1080Ti master race?

>>61254934
144hz is literally only for gaming. I can't think of other applications that use 144hz regularly. So 1440p60hz is my suggestion. The thing about 144hz is that the difference is so much from 60hz, that once you use the former, you can't go back to 60hz so don't start.

>>61254955
>Not waiting for Vega

>>61254935
If i overclock and fuck the CPU up does the warranty cover that?

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>>61254954
Probably would do just fine, since its 75% of 4K just look up some 4K benchmarks, add another 10-20% of FPS and decide for yourself.

1080Ti is a king at 4K though if you can stretch your budget, plus good luck actually finding a 580.

>>61254983
Technically no but in practice yes, they have no way of knowing you overclocked.

Kind of a pointless fear anyway as you aren't going to be getting anywhere near CPU-killing voltages or temps on consumer grade cooling.

>>61254983
If you just turn up the clock speed, it is hard to ruin a CPU because thermal limits just makes it shutdown. If you overvolt it to overclock, I am pretty sure that is not covered.

>>61254954
How about you specify which fucking games you run, and at what kind of settings ?
A 750 Ti can "run games" at that resolution at a decent framerate.

>>61254954
Multiply these framerates by 1.25 and you'll have a rough basis for 3x1080p gaming since that's a 25% lower resolution than 4K.

>>61255016
whoops missed link https://www.gamespot.com/articles/amd-radeon-rx-580-and-rx-570-review/1100-6449402/#4K_Benchmarks

>>61254994
I'm not buying pc now because I'm going to buy pc from my work savings (probably 2-5 months later) . is the 1080 worth waiting extra 2 months? (The cpu iam going to buy is r5 1600x)

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>>61254968

>>61255040
>probably 2-5 months later
Probably pointless even asking now, the landscape will have changed by then.

>>61255052
PLEASE DELET

>>61254925
my want-something-new bug is itching now, but this is probably the sensible choice. oh well... at least i get exposed to these new-fangled technologies while doing these imaginary builds.

amd's new stuff looks quite promising. i hope they deliver...

>>61253609
Nah, Coffee Lake will use LGA1151, it just won't be compatible with older chipsets. That's the Intel way.

>>61255073
I don't get that a lot because I can't really afford the stuff I'd like to get, but I imagine it's hard to hold yourself back when you can afford

>>61255191
Intel replaces sockets and introduces new platforms every 2 years. It won't use LGA1151

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>>61253291
is it worth the extra 20 dollars for a thermalright true spirit over a cryorig h7? I'm just trying to keep an overclocked 1700 cool in a case with excellent airflow

>>61255276
i'm usually pretty good at holding onto my wallet, but i'll go on binges now and then... doesn't help that i couldn't afford anything super nice until a few years ago.

>>61255334
just hold out a little longer, we're in for some great stuff on the next months

>>61255348
Like Vega :^)

>>61255334
>>61255363
I'm going to sleep right now, it's 5:30 in the morning where I am

good night

>>61255327
Good luck getting an AM4 Bracket for the H7. The H5 is also funky with AM4 even when it has the bracket. The only thing Cryorig has right now that fits AM4 properly are some low profile shits and their AIOs which require a bracket of course.

You're better off steering clear of Cryorig right now, at least until their coolers finally ship with AM4 brackets included.

>>61255398
in that case ill go with the thermalright. theirs are all shipping with am4 brackets at this point, thanks anon

Asrock and Gigabyte's AM4 ITX boards should be out by the end of July or start of August, both of which are more featured than Biostars, featuring WiFi, Bluetooth and more USB ports.

>>61255481
>Asrock
No

>>61255514
>saying no to the mad men that crammed x99 on itx
enjoy your shitty itx

>>61255528
More like
>saying no the the mad men who EoL a 4 month old board

>>61255348
i've got my fingers crossed. the stuff they presented at their epyc release thing looked quite nifty.

>>61255514
Go for the gigabyte then, people just seemed more hype for the Asrock board last time it was mentioned.

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>>61255555
>QUINTS
checked

>>61255648
dang, i didn't even notice..
>first dubs are quinty quints
i'll take it

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>Intel KRAPPY Lake-X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47a_iyZ9nmI

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if memory qvl shows:
PV48G320C6K (11D1)
but on the shop site there's only:
PV48G320C6K
does that mean it'll still work? at max speed i mean

>>61255832
Yes

>>61255842
i actually copied the wrong line it's actually V48G300C6K (14M1) and shops shows without (14M1) but i suppose it's still fine, right?

also is it a good idea to build a ryzen pc now without gpu and just wait until prices are reasonable again? i could borrow a shitty gpu from a friend, no gayming though.

>>61255873
Yeah why would it not be a good idea? You just simply can't game

What Win10 should i install to the normie kid i'm building pc for, Win10 STD or KMS? I guess KMS as Win Toolkit is doing kms activation?

Any of you guys buy a refurbished monitor before? Did you have any problems with it?

>>61255832
>>61255873
Yes, it's mostly likely some SKU naming difference as with G.Skill Ripjaws V that is F4-3200C16D-16GVKB with B for black, R for red, etc.

>>61255909
Bought three, no problems. Monitors are probably the safest hardware to buy used.

>>61255909
Nope. Just check their policy with dead pixel and shit before buying it.

What are my options for CPU's?
GTX1080, 144hz 1440p, gaming only.

Also would prefer not being forced to OC & excluding AMD ryzen for now.

>>61255950
7700k or bust. Literally the only Intel worth buying atm along with the G4xxx ones. Everything else just get Ryzen.

>>61255950
7700K, and OCing isn't really optional if you're chasing framerates higher than 100.

I just built my computer but it has an issue where it'll sometimes restart every 5 seconds on startup. I breadboarded the thing, checked my connections and everything and it still does this. The PSU is an EVGA 550w G2. Only using a 1700 and a 1060 so I know it isn't some power draw issue. I have to unplug the power cable and plug it back in to get to the desktop every time. Is it a problem with the power connection or am I fucking something else up?

>>61255998
RMA PSU and Mobo if you can't test individually. Otherwise test the PSU and RMA appropriately.

>>61255955
>>61255972
thanks lads, where should I go for info on motherboards? I'm even more clueless on those (besides that they have to be compatible obviously).

>>61256007
Could it be a problem with the case power button? I doubt I got a bad EVGA PSU. The mobo is the AsRock B350.

>>61256012
Find the appropriate chipset which should be X270

>>61256020
If you think it is a case power button issue, then jump the connectors on the mobo itself to turn it on or if your mobo has one of those fancy buttons to turn it on on the PCB, use that.

>>61256012
Pick the one that isn't made by AssCock, doesn't look too gay in your opinion and has the relevant I/O/fan headers you want. All motherboards are mostly fine unless you're falling for the X299 meme which you aren't.

>>61256038
>>61256021
Thanks again, that's all

>>61253645
Only at 1080 and only for cpu bound games, that's a pretty small group of people to be honest. Even then the gain is not that significant and you have to run it near 5 ghz

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>>61255648
What a LOSER

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So I wanna upgrade my pc

Budget is ~450€, this is what I found

GPU:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01KLM1GKE/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3JDNWHZFHXRFG&coliid=I2G41474I2J5KL&psc=1

(or this one? https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01KHWOAR4/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3JDNWHZFHXRFG&coliid=I2JUYX1YQQB54A)

CPU:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00K5J22GG/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3JDNWHZFHXRFG&coliid=I2U73GXT5OKPBP

Any advice

>>61256155
Forgot to mention I know the CPU isn't the best but my motherboard is outdated and doesn't support newer ones

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>>61256140

>>61256140
>implying the real loser isn't the country who elected the businessman whose been bankrupt more times than he can count and has never had a successful business venture

Only half my ram is showing as usable, how do i fix this? I have tried the max memory option in msconfig but that didnt fix it

>>61253789
Radeon 5000-9000 work great, even with QubesOS

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>>61256189
I love seeing salty fucks squirm like this. Trump isn't great but he is still magnitudes better than the alternative and that's the crux of nearly every election ever.

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https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Warranty-Power-Supply-100-N1-0650-L1/dp/B01LYRXRDI

Is this PSU okay for a Ryzen 5 GTX 1070 build if I intend to mildly overclock?

>>61256218
30A is a bit low on the 12V line. I would step up to the G3 Supernova

>>61256189
>never had a successful business venture
>worth billions of dollars

u wot?

>>61254435
>80TB
>RAID3 which is literally worse than all forms of RAID
>ONE parity drive
Or you could have 72TB and ZFS2 for built-in readback for guaranteeing write success and two parity. Seriously why would you even risk 80TB that easily?

>>61256216
I'm not defending Hilary either. Fuck her too. She's what's wrong with modern US politics and everyone knows it. Trump was just a mentally retarded moron who played on everyones fears and got lucky. The only way the Dems will ever win again is if they follow the Justice Democrat model illustrated by Bernie Sanders. Whether you agree with him or not, he's still the most popular politician in the country with approval ratings double either Hillary's or Trumps.

>>61256249
He made ALL his money on land bought by his Daddy in very profitable areas, and was at least intelligent enough not to sell them. Trump would be worth billions more today if he had NEVER touched his inheritance. The mans own father despised him and claimed he was a failure at every turn.

Is the xf240h good even if you don't have an AMD gpu for freesync?

>>61256264
Nevermind bro didn't see the Z

Good on you

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>>61256189
>implying you aren't a sore loser
Enjoy 8 looooong years of Mr. President Trump.

>>61256218
Do as >>61256232 said. The G3 is excellent, offers almost platinum efficiency has is affordable. 650W i more than enough.

>>61256305
He won't last 8 years. He'll be impeached or resign before the first term is over.

>>61255481
Finally

>>61255052
Is that bad? Faster than a 1080 isn't amazing, sure but if they price it right it's still good performance.

>>61256155
either get only gpu or cpu+mobo+ram. it's not worth spending 200+€ on outdated i5 on a dead socket and it won't give you much more performance over your i3 anyway.
personally i would get ryzen 5 1600 + b350 mobo + 8gb ddr4 3000mhz and upgrade gpu later when the prices are reasonable again.

>>61256286
yes freesync just won't work but it's not a big deal.
that monitor is shit though. in the same price range there's better AOC G2460PF, but i would save up for Viewsonic XG2401 which has MUCH better colors.

>>61256277
>land bought by his daddy in profitable areas

What areas are you referring to? Manhattan made him most of his money, and his father refused to invest in Manhattan. It was actually the reason they went their separate ways.

Perhaps you're confusing two talking points. I've heard the talking point that "he would be worth more if he had just put all his father's money in stocks." But this ignores the fact that his father didn't die until 1998, well after Trump had made his billions. When his father died, he left an estate worth 250m to Trump and his two other siblings. It's not a pittance, but it's certainly not billions.

>>61256314
This. DRUMPF is finished. He'll never get the nomination.

>>61256348
Figured it wouldn't make much of a difference, thanks for advice

I could either get a 1060 3 gb with hdd only or get 1050ti with an ssd, planing to pair with ryzen 1600 need it for 60fps1080p

stupid question, should I get a dedicated girraphics card for a budget build if i'm not using it for video games

Is this /pcbg/ or politics? Get back on topic or go to /pol/.

>>61256425
no, intergrated gpu in cpu like g4560 is enough for basic shit like internet browsing or office work. and if anything there are always budget gpus like gt 1030.
remember than ryzen cpus do not have igpu.

>>61256430
Go back to /v/. This whole general is muh gaymen.

>>61256443
thanks anon

>>61256445
>/v/
>whole general is muh gayman
wut?

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>>61256430

Do i need an ssd for anything other than loading times?

>>61256348
>>61256412
I think I'll just buy the 1060 but just in case, which B350 would you recommend? Or doesn't matter which one?

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>>61256462
This entire general is just /v/ asking for advice about muh gaymen. Go back.

Which coolers are recommended for i7 7700K? It being silent plays a HUGE part for me.(1440p 144hz gtx1080 16gb ramincase this would matter)

>>61256469
Not like /pcbg/ ever made a difference, there's still 'help me build a pc' threads daily.

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>>61256314

>>61256481
disk transfer rates are much better with an SSD as well as boot time. recommended to at least get a small one that you have your OS installed on.

would like to hear your opinions
about this build

country germany

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/wyK4WX

It's probably far from perfect ( good) but that's why i'm here i guess

this build will be mainly for streaming and playing games maybe some render stuff once in a while but mostly gaming

games like starcraft 2 doom and skyrim

planning to use this setup in combination with a wqhd 144 hz screen

>>61256531
That's pretty expensive.

Do you really need all that?

>>61256497
I wish theses generals would have advice on linux benchmarks or anything instead of games.

Should I spend $1800 on a new computer even though I don't need 2

>>61256545
It's even worse since it's summer. You have idiots like this >>61256551 shitting up the board.

>>61256541

probably not but i'm aiming for high psu efficiency to keep the electricity bill down while keeping each parts life time high
so that i could also get some of my invested money back in the future if i decide to sell some of those parts

main motivation is to have something that will last me for a longer time but i have to admit that i'm pretty much a noob

>>61256531
>that spacing

>>61256541

also aiming for amazon prime day so maybe i can reduce the cost by up to 400 euros or more if i get lucky

>>61256518
How big should it be? It's $80 for 250gb which could go towards other things like a ryzen 1600 instead of the 1400

>>61254179
>4chan browsing
Silly question but are there even any pc builds you can't browse 4chin with?

>>61256584
I have a 64gb and that holds my OS fine. However I get the occasional annoying thing where it runs out of space because Windows saves so much shit on the OS drive by default, so I'd recommend getting that one.

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>>61256566
>since it's summer
lmao, you really think that three other seasons stop idiots from visiting 4chinz?

>>61254179
Why are you getting an i5? did you even read OP's thingy?
Also whats up with the hardrives?

>>61256619
who is moot?

The traffic may decrease, but there's no question that we're inundated with juvenile posters on summer break.

>>61256486
asrock pro4 or msi mobos

>>61256640
Moot aka god was the previous owner of this place. Also what are winter break, spring break or generally not giving crap about school, I refuse to believe in summerfags.

>>61254384
Did you...
Attach a gpu?

>>61256674
Then stick around, newfriend. You'll learn all about summerfags.

>>61256620
i7 cost $150 more

R5 1600 is worse

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Is a 550W PSU going to be able to handle an RX Vega?

(non-OC'd R1700 on an m-ATX board with 2 sticks of RAM)

>>61256790
Yea but only just. You won't have much headroom for efficiency

>>61256788
>R5 1600 is worse
how so? It's only $200 and matches the i7 6800k in performance.

Installed ram 16 GB (7.95 GB usable), why?

>>61256842
One stick is defective or there's a BIOS setting turned off sir.

Reset UEFI to default, swap sticks into open slots on the motherboard and try again. If that doesn't work, run memtest86 to see which is the culprit.

>>61256842
If only one stick is recognized see if the RAM is seated properly and reseat it. Those plastic clips can sometimes lock without the RAM being properly seated which leads you to believe it is installed properly.

>>61256823
according to benchmarks

and single core and single threaded performance

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>>61253291

>mfw RX480 disappeared from the domestic markets

>>61256918
>and single core and single threaded performance
At absolute worst, it's 9% worse than Kaby Lake. You'll never notice it.

I currently have a ryzen 1400 and gtx 1050ti, which one should I upgrade?

>>61256879
>>61256868
Thanks lads, one stick had clicked in but wasn't fully inserted

http://www.gigabyte.us/Motherboard/GA-AB350-Gaming-3-rev-10#kf
I bought this MOBO because it was cheap, supports overclocking, and PCPartpicker didn't say anything was wrong, but I'm just now realizing that it doesn't support my 3200mhz RAM. Should I exchange it?

>>61257007
The one that's bottle-necking your performance.

>>61257031
No AM4 mobo officially supports 3200 RAM. You have to go to the BIOS and set it yourself. If you're lucky the latest BIOS update will have fixed everything and XMP will work, otherwise you have to set timings manually.

>>61257069
So I'll be able to run it at 3200?

>>61257077
Maybe.

If it's not on the support list, it may or may not work. You'll just have to try it and see.

>>61257077
Depends on your RAM, mobo, BIOS and set timings. Ryzen and RAM are difficult..

>>61257066
1050 ti?

What the fug happened to g4560/4600 prices?? All you damn hipsters driving up demand, can't find stock for under $75.

>>61257089
My RAM advertises 3200, and I can change the set timings, right?

>>61256918
>according to benchmarks
>and single core and single threaded performance
Throwing Your Money Away(On Outdated Things): The Post

>>61257194
I noticed this too, the meme got too popular and demand is driving Pentium prices up.

>>61257208
Yes, what's your RAM anyways?
I suggest you go and look up some YT vids about RAM and Ryzen. This is still an issue, althought i think latest BIOS has fixed most of it but can't confirm. Sold my RX to miners and use my chinkbook now.
What worked in most cases is to set the RAM to 2667 or 2993 and maybe losen the timings from CL16 to 18 etc.

>>61257309
https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16820232091

I'm trying to scrape together a side build for fun by getting shit cheap off eBay etc. I already have a 7850 2gb, what CPUs should I be looking for?

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I have a problem with CPU temperatures. I have a ryzen 1600x and a Be Quiet! Pure Rock cooler. On HWMonitor, I've got two different temp readings. One CPU temp according to the mobo and another one called "package". Each are 42 and 55 degrees celcius respectively, idling. The first seems a bit too hot, but the second one is really over the top for just idling.

On Coretemp, however, I dont get and average value, but the min-max is between 29 and 49 degrees.

I've reapplied the thermal paste with mx-4 and not really much difference. Does anybody know if i should be worried, and if so what should i do?

Thanks for any help

my 1080 has a 6-slot and a 8-slot power connector, I should plug both in right? The manual pictures imply it but don't state it outright

>>61257350
Ripjaws V should run just fine but idk about 32GB kits, i read that bigger kits don't achieve speeds as high, but can't confirm.

>>61257400
Why not?

>>61257405
The top positive review says he got 2933 14-15-15-36 so I guess I'll be fine. I just wanted to make sure a monitor upgrade wouldn't help before putting this shit together, thanks for the help.

>>61257407
just checking to make sure, I don't want to fuck anything up like I did last time when installing my motherboard (apparently anti-ESD bags are pro-ESD bags on the outside)

$170 for a i5 6600k

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Intel-Core-i5-i5-6600K-Quad-core-4-Core-3-50-GHz-Processor-Socket-H4-LGA-1151Retail-Pack-BX80662I56600K/46483831?u1=8c530b9c631311e7bca99a5345c674ba0INT&oid=223073.1&wmlspartner=lw9MynSeamY&sourceid=12636470311087709100&affillinktype=10&veh=aff

Worth upgrading my i5 2320 to this? Or should I just wait for a better deal on an i7

>>61257077
What is your RAM? Samsung BDie based Single Rank RAM has the best luck. (Example being G.Skill TridentZ/FlareX)

>>61257471
>>61257350

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Hey techAnons, I want to buy a MSI GeForce GTX 1050 4GB. On the page of the seller is said that the recommended PSU is 300W,so my qeustion is,can my PSU run it? (pic related-my PSU). Also my motherboard has just PCIE 2.0,its a big problem? Thx for anwsers

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Hey techAnons, I want to buy a MSI GeForce GTX 1050 4GB. On the page of the seller is said that the recommended PSU is 300W,so my qeustion is,can my PSU run it? (pic related-my PSU,yes lowbudget). Also my motherboard has just PCIE 2.0,its a big problem? Thx for anwsers

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>>61257471
>Single Rank RAM
But single rank is worse. Also 16 GiB sticks are always dual rank.

This is going at £22 at the moment for some reason. I'd get it now.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0123ZC44Y/ref=pe_3187911_185740111_TE_item

>>61257521
Also sorry for doublepost :(

>>61257482
Those are Samsung D-Die chips. You're most likely going to cap around 2933.

List of known Samsung B/D/E/S-Die RAM here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

>inb4 "kekifuckikek reddit "u hev 2 gu bak kekkappa" because it was the first result

>>61257545
Side note, it seems Hynix Chips are doing well at 3200 in the newer BIOSes

>>61257504
>>61257521
>Chieftec
Chinkshit firehazard. Get rid of that trash and buy an EVGA 500B for 30-40 bucks or something.
>my motherboard has just PCIE 2.0
GPUs are down compatible.

>>61257545
>>61257557
Do you think upcoming Ryzen updates will improve performance on the D-Die chips? I'd rather not have to wait for new RAM.

>>61257482
>>61257545

Wait those are 16GB RAM Sticks.

That's a Hynix M-Die RAM which should post at 3200MHz with the newest BIOS, but since it's Dual it may still be 2933. God Speed Anon.

>>61257605
See
>>61257610

>>61257610
>>61257625
Sweet, thanks.

Anyone know why my RAM would be stuck at 16 CL when the XMP profile is set at 15 and the RAM is supposed to be 15 CL? Said RAM is also on the MOBO QVL list.

All the other numbers seem right. Speed, other timings, etc.

>>61257645
What is the board? Sometimes motherboards don't like odd numbered CLs and will switch them occasionally to 16CL when attempting boot training. (My board sometimes would switch to 16CL, but attempting to tighten timings would cause the CL to drop down back to 15).

You can either try setting CAS to 14, lowering timings, manually inputting the XMP Profile, or turn off boot training. (If lowering CAS causes BIOS not to boot, a simple CMOS clear is in order here if your BIOS doesn't have a threshold to revert to default after X boot fails)

>>61257577
Yeah,I know it. Its the next thing after GPU that I want to upgrade,but still,can it run that GTX 1050?

How's this look for a budget gamer? Any way to bring the price down even more.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/wGtpsJ

>>61257696
GTX1050 is like 75W i belive, calculate what the rest of your systems draws. On that chink 300W PSU i wouldn't put a load higher than 250W MAX, otherwise it will probably blow up in your face.

ThinkPads fucking spoiled me when it comes to PCs desu, I went from having nothing to having something that can do 95% of the things I want flawlessly for only $150. But if I want those final 5%, which are only things like smoother performance and better audio/video, I'd need to drop almost eight times that for a custom built PC and quality peripherals. Don't get me wrong, I've always wanted to build one, still do, it's just that the ThinkPad price:performance ratio ruined my expectations. Anyone else experienced anything similar?

>>61257756
Thx,will do it

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How does this look?
I'm buying a prebuilt from a neighbouring country (EU) as prices are way lower there.

I got the option between 2 slightly different builds, which one should I get? (I listed the differences)

my 550W power supply rated at 80 plus vanilla should be able to handle a 500W max graphics card, right? I'm not at risk of fucking anything up, right?

>>61257713
- drop the cooler, unless you really want less noise
- h110 doesn't support kabylake without updates bios. pick b250 unless you're sure it's shipped with a bios update (or if you have other cpu to do it yourself)
- h110 mobos support max 2133mhz ram frequency, so pick that (it's 2400mhz for b250 btw)
- you can get only 1tb hdd
- also you can change psu to evga 500b

>>61257827
>prebuilt
nice meme. you can get a better pc by building it yourself.
i'd pick the second one since it has aftermarket gpu, so it won't sound like a jet engine

>>61257905
>500W max graphics card
what do you mean? post gpu and psu models.

>>61257938
>what do you mean? post gpu and psu models.
gpu is a msi gtx 1080 armor 8g oc, psu is a corsair vx550w

>>61257971
yeah it's good

>>61257983
cool nice

>>61257938
look up "belgium tax"
When I buy all the components in Belgium it STILL costs /€500/ euros more than the prebuilt one from The Netherlands. It's not a shady site or anything, pretty reputable and has good reviews.

>>61258017
can't you order components from amazon.de / mindfactory.de or something? also it would be easier if linked the prebuilt.

>>61258049
I'm against shipping expensive parts online, way bigger chance that one of them is broken/something else goes wrong. Way less hassle this way.

>>61257938
Better? Also will upgrade to a cheap 970 I'll snag off of eBay at one point
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/9fjpsJ

>>61257443
Anyone?

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>>61257689
It's an ASRock B350M.

In the editable box where you type in the CL, it already shows 15, but in the non-editable box beside it, which I assume is to show what it's running at, says 16. Also CPU-Z shows it running at 16.

Also pretty sure I have boot training turned off.

>>61258145
you could get b250 mobo with 4 dimm slots and get 2x4gb ram to benefit from dual-channel memory but other than that it's fine

>>61257443
>>61258163
>i5
no. you will also need z270 mobo + cpu cooler + ddr4 ram.
ryzen is overall a better and cheaper alternative to i5.

>>61258093
amazon is pretty chill on returns/RMA and the chances of something being DOA are pretty slim. i know it's less hassle to get a prebuilt but it depends on how much money can you save by building yourself. if it's 200€+ i wouldn't think twice

>>61257760
I bought a thinkcentre m91p for $100. Stuck a few sticks of cheap DDR3 in to bring it up to 12gb, and put in an $80 SSD. It does everything I need.

Is ryzen a meme. Sure feels like it's being shilled here way harder than Intel ever was.

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Would someone kindly critique this build please. £900 is around the top end of my budget but I might be able to stretch to £1000 if given a compelling enough reason. I was looking to build something firmly in the mid range as I can't afford to go all out.

My staple games are things like Counter Strike, League of Legends, WoW, Civilization, XCOM etc but I'd also like to be able to play the odd AAA game with a smooth frame rate at1080p.

Should I get 1x8gb of ram over 2x4gb in case I decide to upgrade to 16gb at a later date?

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AUSU X99
THIS FUCKING SCREW WON'T COME OUT
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Wait a minute, Coffee Lake is supposed to still be using the 14nm process yet it won't use the 1151 socket? Unlike other architectures they won't be having a die shrink for 1151? How can anyone justify this shit

How about AMD's plans with the AM4 socket? I guess they're going to stick with it for a while, right? Even the next die shrink?

>>61258443
change mobo to asrock pro4 or msi.
go with faster ram, 3000mhz or more. pick from motherboard's QVL.
yes 2x4gb is better for dual channel memory. most of b350 mobos have 4 slots anyway, so you can always upgrade later.
the rest is good.

>>61258506
that's intel for you. they will find a way to jew.
am4 will be supported till 2020.

>>61258467
Have you tried turning your PC off and on, sir?

>>61258443
skip the HDD, get a 500gb SSD

Fuck boys. This is a deal!!! Sell rx 580 and you get a free 270 mobo

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?sdtid=10325628&SID=9142a95a632211e7b5999298aa0449350INT&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&ItemList=Combo.3564453&cm_sp=

>>61258506
It's still the same "socket," but older boards won't be compatible. It will be LGA 1151v2, Intel's done this before. Ice Lake will be the real new socket, meaning Z370 will only be relevant for like 1.5 years.

Based on this >>61255398 I was planning to get a Noctua U12s. Is there a better single tower cooler? U14 is too big for my case or I'd get that.
Is it worth jumping to a D15s for a 4.0 overclock on a 1600?

can anyone recommend a micro ATX case that I can fit a 1080ti in

and a mobo too I guess

>>61258669
forgot, ryzen

>>61258669
Most mATX can fit huge GPUs now. Take a look at the Fractal Design cases, the S/C and Focus are good.

Amazon just shipped my GPU support
Finally my build is complete

>>61258192
Yeah, It's because it's set to 15-17-17 which the board doesn't like. Try 15-16-16-35-51 or 15-15-15-35-50

Is it true that Nvidia has better performance in case the GPU is paired with lower-end CPUs compared to AMD?

How much "kick in the pants" would I feel by upgrading to a R7 over an antiquated FX-8350 which has been serving me pretty well for the past few years. I'm using my computer for neckbeard things like SETI and I have two video cards for this shit. I don't mind paying top dollar for new components, but I expect performance and stability - which ryzen doesn't seem to have (yet.) How about building a new computer around Christmas or so?

How recommended are the Newegg DIY bundles and what would you guess is the usual savings of skipping them and buying pieces on sale/individually?

>>61258638
Yeah I meant people who have a Kaby Lake/Skylake and wanted a noticeable upgrade won't be able to do it in their "old" 1151 boards.

I meant CL was supposed to be the shrink to 10nm and still use the same board, and KL was supposed to be a very minor improvement over SL, before they came with the best CPU for the 1151 chipset. Instead intell declared KL is as good as it gets and people with it get to eat shit I suppose.

What's the point of getting a 7700K if the socket is already dead. I mean with IPC improvements on Ryzen an AM4 board might just get something better while the socket isn't dead. I mean Intel was always into changing socket all the time but it feels like it's an extra layer of greed this time, since Kaby Lake wasn't supposed to be the 1151's swan song.

What they're essentially doing it seems is to force a socket change, given how you need to upgrade your mobo just to get CL. I guess it better be extremely good compared to KL to make people pass on Ryzen 2.

>>61258832
That was definitely true a few years back, to the point where AMD+Nvidia and Intel+AMD made the most sense. AMD has a bit less driver overhead nowadays but for DX11 titles I'd probably still recommend Nvidia.

>>61258977
Coffee Lake not being a die shrink like Cannonlake isn't exactly Intel's fault, 10nm yields are so low they essentially had to limit the CPU's to low power mobile. I really can't think of any technical reason that Z370 would use a 1151 revision instead of vanilla 1151, that's just Intel being greedy. I can sort of understand if they had problems with the 6 core, since it's possible they couldn't get the 91W TDP with a clockspeed that wasn't ass. Maybe the 6 core legitimately did need a new power delivery making it incompatible with Z270, and they thought that making some CPU's backwards compatible and some not within they same line was too confusing, so they just segmented the entire line onto a new board.

>>61259055
I guess the only way to justify Coffee Lake not using the old 1151 is that they have improved it to a point it's quite an upgrade compared to Kaby Lake and also blows the fuck out of Ryzen on multithreaded tasks, also low power draw compared to KL. If it's just another shitty 5% IPC improvement that loses to Ryzen on anything that uses multiple threads and yet another inefficient chip it'll be a hard sell.

Looking to replace my old Phenom/GT 630
The PSU is blown, nothing else except HDDs and GT 630 salvageable

>$750 budget
>Prefer Intel+Nvidia
>want to get into high-end PC gaming, hopeful for PS3/360 emulation eventually (as min specs decline), want upgrade options
>willing to skip SSD and salvage HDDs for the time being
>willing to put in a GPU later to get CPU-heavy now (instead of half assing both)
>live in sunny Florida so lower temps are better with minimal AC blasting
>quieter is also better but not a deal breaker

>>61258506
>How about AMD's plans with the AM4 socket?
They say that Zen2 will work on AM4 boards, but look what happened with Llano and the FM1 board, so...

>>61259160
Also we can't forget FM2 to FM2+ when there wasn't even a massive performance jump from Piledriver to Steamroller and Excavator. FM2+ doesn't support DDR4 or PCI-e 3.0, the only good thing about it was it was backwards compatible with FM2 APU's.

>>61259154
For starters you're supposed to make the build after reading the OP
And secondly don't be a fanboy, stop prefering brands

>>61259154
>future-proof cpu
>intel

pick one

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>>61254009
>>>>>>>>

>>61259243
Sifting through the part picker, and it says the mobo's BIOS would need an update, possibly from a previously functional CPU (which I lack).

7600K with Z170. Not asking for the actual things to pick, but which is a higher priority to swap out if at all?

Or perhaps
>Go AMD

>>61259426
last time I checked sandy bridge cpus were still relevant

>>61259514
Yeah, z170 motherboards need a bios update to work with 7xxx CPUs. But also yeah, the 7600k is a shit CPU and is not worth your time, go with an R5 1600 instead.

>>61257689
>>61258800
I'll probably just leave it as.

I regrettably bought a pretty $20 shitty case that I'd have to remove the HDD support in order to remove the graphics card, in order to get to the CMOS jumper. Already had to do it once when I got stuck in a boot loop during initial setup. Don't really feel like doing it again.

>>61259154
A 7600K is hard to justify over a Ryzen 1600, they basically trade blows in games overall, losing in the ones that don't aren't into multithreading, the 1600 may outperform it in games that use many cores/threads, if you look at benchmarks the Ryzen is not going to be the limit for 60FPS in games, it's rather whether you want to get like 120FPS with it or 130FPS with the i5, so it's hardly a factor for people who target 60FPS. The GPU is going to be the limiting factor for 60FPS.

Also the AM4 socket is still gonna get newer CPUs that might outdo the Kaby Lakes depending on how much IPC improvement happens, while the 1151 socket is already dead and if you plan to upgrade in the future you're going to need a new motherboard. So Ryzen is a smarter purchase, given we don't know how the newer CPUs are going to do.

Just got this price matched at best buy, it's an amazing deal if you're looking for a 1080p 144hz monitor. http://www.microcenter.com/product/409464/vg248qe_24_1080p_144hz_3d_gaming_led_monitor

>>61259652
>>61259801
Thanks. Going Ryzen I guess.

Also has a lower TDP so that means less heat generated to an extent, right?

>>61259909
Yeah, not only does the 1600 use as much / close amount of power (at full load) but it also dissipates the heat better and since it won't run anywhere near full load during gaming (as opposed to i5) then it will in the end use less power and generate less heat

>>61259909
I'm not going to lie though, for high end emulation the i5 does outpace the Ryzens because it is a very CPU intensive task and the single core performance of the 7600K is still ahead of any Ryzen. I guess it depends if you want overall. Watch videos of Cemu or Citra on Intel or AMD's CPUs and you'll notice that emulation is still Intel's playground, even if AMD got much better now with their single core performance improvements compared to older architectures. It's also worth noting that some games that use all the cores of an i5 will cause stutter, so the Ryzen will get smoother performance in some games due to having more cores and threads.

Notice the price of a Ryzen + mobo is cheaper than the i5 and its mobo, so going with the former allows you to spend more on the GPU, which will make a difference when it comes to non-emulation gaming. Also yes it uses less power than the i5

My faithful MSI FM2+ motherboard finally died. The thing is, I'd rather stick with my X4 860K & 8GB DDR3. Was able to reliably overclock the 860K to 4.8GHz at just under 1.4v, never saw it go over 73C when stress testing it, so I'd ideally like a decent motherboard for it, as opposed to buying an entirely new system.
Would anyone mind sharing some decent international websites for buying motherboards? I know of Amazon, Ebay, and Newegg, but from my check, Newegg didn't have good ones, and Ebay seems like primarily dodgy used trash, and Amazon rarely ships to Australia.
Trying to spend under $200 on it, because the old MSI was $160 with shipping pushing it to just under $200

>>61260001
>emulation is still Intel's playground
Meh, cemu ran well for me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAnyFmU7bPI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T3oasEAWj0

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First PC i ever built. How did I do?

>>61260140
>Kaby lake CPU on a Skylake mobo
Yea, that won't work without a Skylake CPU to flash the bios
>using an i5 over Ryzen
It's like you didn't read the OP. i5 is noncompetitive anymore.

>>61260167
I'm new on PC building. This is actually the first time i've ever been on /g/. A few friends helped me build something kind of economic considering that everything in my country is double it's US price. Maybe I can update something in a few months.

>>61260110
yeah Ryzen isn't as bad as the older AMD entries but it's still behind Intel in emulation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av7afTxJLbo

>one 8gb ram stick is the 2nd most expensive component in my build after the graphics card

this has to stop

>>61260140
very bad boludo

Is there any problems with this build? I might get a gtx 1060 instead of the 1050 ti, if I do will i need a bigger power supply? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wnp8BP

>>61260328
Get faster memory, or overclock that.
Power supply should be fine.
If you can find a 1060 for anywhere near it's MSRP, then sure. Otherwise, go for a used card that's better than the 1050 Ti, or Just Wait™ for prices to go back to normal

has Nvidia fixed the issues with their GPUs getting lower FPS with Ryzen yet?

>>61260328
That thing will be fine on 450w considering i ran my R7 1700 + R9 280 (both overclocked) on a 500w PSU

>>61260376
Yeah. The fix is buying Intel

i5 6600k for $170 or i7 7700k for $300

Can't OC the 7700k without delid though. What's the best option. No ryzen please, already have my mobo

>>61260376
ROTR had a patch for it

>>61259426
Hey my 2320 is still kicking

>>61260393
Latter. You are already all in.

>>61260391
perhaps if they slashed their prices down to reflect the delidlake housefires and the stuttering shit I'd jump in, as they are now, they're overpriced

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>>61260391
>buy a 6 cores intel CPU
>it still happens

Can someone help me understand this Intel Optane memory. What exactly is it?

>>61260418
But is i7 overkill? What actually utilizes that thing? I just shitpost and play games from time to time.

>>61260439
M.2 form factor, low capacity, supposed to be used as middle ground between HDD & RAM, but realistically more worth it to get a decent NVMe SSD.
Pretty sure it's mainly aimed at those typical office computers or systems that don't already have SSD.
>>61260447
The i7 is better for the long run probably. Those 8 threads will last longer than the 4 threads of the i5. Unless you know you'll need more, the i5 is just fine.

>>61260438
QnQ pls no anime grill don't cry~

>>61260258
You can't just go from an Intel Core i5 to an AMD Ryzen 5 willy nilly. You need to make a commitment to one or the other. The actual socket is different so an AMD Ryzen chip will not fit on an intel motherboard or vice versa. The AMD Ryzen chips use an AM4 PGA socket while the 7th gen Core i5 uses an LGA 1151 socket.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzKcrwlmREE

Because the motherboard is different between them, you do have to commit.
The best value CPU currently is the AMD Ryzen 5 1600, a 6 core, 12 thread CPU with performance equal to a Core i7-6800K while costing as much as a mid-range Core i5. The Core i5 CPUs have 4 cores and 4 threads, and while they DO have a slightly higher IPC than the Ryzen chips, it's not all that noticeable, and many programs and games peg the CPU at 100% load, which leads to stuttering and dropped frames. Even the cheapest Ryzen 5 CPU has 4 cores and 8 threads, and the 6 core, 12 thread 1600 everyone loves has a hard time hitting anything over 50% CPU usage.

I'm looking for a good case for a custom loop in without it looking all gaymer like, with the exception of tempered glass. What's a good case for this? I really like the be quiet dark base 900 pro, but hate it's lack of a psu shroud.

>>61259154 here
If I eventually go for a full size video card and ATX case is a mATX mobo a bad choice?

If I skip the GPU now I'll be going on with my GT 630.

Current: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N2gwQV

>>61260439
Very small but very fast SSDs

>>61260625
go with faster (3000mhz or above) and dual channel (2x4gb) ram.
i'd recommend getting at least 240gb ssd. good brands are sandisk, adata, samsung, crucial.
if you're REALLY tight on budget you can get a cheaper psu.

>>61260583
I already bought the machine. Guess i'll update in a few months :/
It's not that bad tho.

>>61260661
While this seems fine, if I wanted to upgrade to 12/16GB in the future wouldn't it reduce the cost effectiveness of the sticks now?

Or is it more like "do you plan on actually upgrading?"

>>61260737
well if you've already committed, it isn't a bad build, but it isn't the best you could've gotten for the money either. :/

>>61260752
sorry i didn't notice your motherboard pick has only 2 memory slots. pick one with 4 slots (asrock pro4 or msi).
dual channel memory is faster

>>61260822
>>61260822

>>61260762
Let's say I want a Ryzen. What should I update so it works properly then? Another motherboard?

>>61260841
a motherboard that will work with your RAM sticks so you'd have to check the QVL of motherboard you're interested in

>>61258429
Is Ryzen a meme?*
Fixed that for you. You're welcome!

>>61260841
You would need an AM4 socket motherboard. There are 3 chipsets. A320, B350, and X370. B350 is the closest to the B150 you got for your computer, and the most popular chipset. You can get a good one for $90 USD.
Once you pick an AM4 motherboard, you have to go on the motherboard manufacturers website and find that specific motherboard. There'll be a list somewhere off that page that lists all the compatable memory kits. As great as Ryzen is, it's VERY picky about which ram it uses. The faster the better. Fast rame may not make a difference on Intel systems, but it makes a world of difference on Ryzen systems because of how the chip's architecture works.