/mkg/ - mechanical keyboards general

>>61234744
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/mechanical-keyboard-thick-PBT-keycap-cherry-mx-OEM-height-side-print-grey-white-similar-granite-classic/32711894266.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_10065_10151_10208_10068_10130_10136_10137_10060_10155_10062_437_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_303_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10178_10110_519_10111_10112_10113_10114_10182_10078_10079_10073_10123_10189_142,searchweb201603_50,ppcSwitch_7&btsid=7274d509-f5fa-4eeb-94dd-fb7f6d1b263b&algo_expid=9907f6c4-2ecb-414a-a63b-0ebe2f878d22-1&algo_pvid=9907f6c4-2ecb-414a-a63b-0ebe2f878d22 was more thinking these specifically

>>61234781
Membrane one that I've had for 6 years died today after I spilt a full mug of coffee on my desk so I might as well replace it with a mech since I've wanted one for a little while
>Budget
£150 but I'd rather get something cheaper if possible
>Location
UK
>Preferred switch type
Blue (clicky)
>Layout
ISO prefered
>Form factor
60% looks nice so I'd consider one, but probably 80% since I barely use the numpad
>Backlight
No thanks
>Previous/current keyboards
Razer Arctosa (I know, gaymer keyboard, did the job for a while though)

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Can't wait for my black caps to arrive so I can deck out my hhkb like this

>>61234884
Filco Majestouch 2 TKL

>>61234884
Just get another membrane keyboard if they have lasted you like 6 years. I'm typing on a btc full size keyboard right now and I think it is on a similar level to topre. Don't see me replacing it any time soon despite the fact the key caps have yellowed quite significantly.

>>61234996
I considered that but I've typed on mech keyboards before and i love how they feel compared to membrane keyboards, only thing that stopped me from upgrading before was that I don't like spending money when the one I have works. Since it doesn't work anymore it gives me an excuse to upgrade

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fight over your switch colors, plebs, while my finger muscles grow pounding away at these buckling springs

>>61234959
Thanks, had a look at this one before, considering it

>>61235043
Well I hope you get a board that is perfect for you. I personally have spend a few thousand on different keyboards yet i keep going back to rubber domes. both in the form of topre or btc with slider. I absolutely love the feel of them boards. Even the standard BTC rubber dome keyboards without silders are pretty great. They are vastly superior to cherry mx brown anyway.

>>61235045
Woah that's fucking awesome, think I'll order a blue key set from unicomp. How is the trackball?

>>61235131
it's pretty bad, honestly

>>61235045
But you don't have muscles in your fingers anon, its all in the wrist.

>>61234781
Why aren't more of you guys shilling high quality keycaps (SA in particular)? I had no idea the difference was THIS HUGE. Wtf, this typing experience is just insane, way bigger than the transition from rubber dome to mechanical, and I haven't really heard that reiterated much in the community in general.

>>61235045
>integrated trackball
that's fuckin ace

>>61235045
Would you recommend a Unicomp buckling spring over MX Blues? I am considering buckling spring as well

>>61235167
So is the trackpoint on the unicomp and ibm model m13's. Buckling springs are fucking flawless though.

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>>61234928
But without legends how will you know which key you're pressing?

>>61235420
muscle memory. Nice p99

>>61234786
if you want the white/grey/red set, that one is not 1976, 1976 is the one with the brown and rainbowish colors like in OP's pic.

>>61235335
buckling springs are in a league of its own. So yes. Try the grandaddy of keyboards.

>>61234786
>>61235534
also i would prefer cherry profile like these

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/thick-pbt-keycaps-cherry-profile-blank-printed-keycaps-gh60-poker-87-104keycaps-108keys/32791492533.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DOLCH-thick-pbt-keycaps-cherry-profile-side-printed-keycaps-gh60-poker-87-104keycaps-108keys/32791274444.html

if you're ok with OEM profile, this one looks pretty good imo, and it's cheaper

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NPKC-Customized-61-87-104-ANSI-Keyset-OEM-Profile-Thick-PBT-Keycap-set-For-Cherry-MX/32813657693.html

>>61234884
Das keyboard

>>61235618
>>61234884

>https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NPKC-Customized-61-87-104-ANSI-Keyset-OEM-Profile-Thick-PBT-Keycap-set-For-Cherry-MX/32813657693.html
>>>
> Isley !2ySisYPHus 07/05/17(Wed)16:26:30 No.61235618 ▶
>>>61234884
>Das keyboard
no seriously don't get this. Their build quality has gone down over the years. They are now considered flimsy garbage with pad printed keycaps.

Get a Ducky for that price. A cheaper option would be a Corsair Strafe. Cherry mx blues are superior to gateron blues. Remember.

>>61235645
lol wtf happened there. That is weird.

>>61235645
Thanks, DAS was one of the ones I was considering so I'll avoid that now
Looked at Ducky's before, definitely going to go for Cherry MX blues if I get a mech. I'm keeping an eye out for IMB Model Ms because I'd really like an original one of them, but that's not as easy to find obviously

Same anon that was asking earlier on, found an old Kenesis Advantage Pro for around £80
Looks like a good deal to me, would anyone advise me against such a keyboard or should I consider going for it?

I've heard Tai-Hao keycaps have a weird coating, is this true and how are they to use?

I want the sunshine ones.

>>61236153
I see that the newest Miami ones don't have the coating

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before I meme myself again, is there anything better for under 50 burgers?

is it like a filco thing to also have firearms or is it all one guy posting here

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post comfy

Does anyone know a TKL or smaller keyboard that has an aluminum case, backlit(at least white LED) and has a F key row?
Also preferrably white

>>61236394
tada68 has it all except for the f keys, would still recommend.

>>61236424
I actually have a Pok3r atm and not having a f row is driving me insane.
Gonna sell if/once I find a nice replacement

>>61236452
look at varmilo then, they have some nice kbs with aluminum case and f keys for the tkl variants.

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>>61235335
Absolutly. Compared to MX blues on my Ducky its a night and day difference. You can get them on amazon, or if you want a custom keyboard order from Unicomp

>>61236394
drevo excalibur

>>61236487
>>61236505
Thanks. I'll check em out

Has anyone used this or a similar service?
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/custom-art-cherry-mx-keycaps.html
I don't want to pay for expensive shipping to the UK and wait a while for them.
Are there any UK based websites that have custom printing ?

>>61236542
also YMD75, KBD75

I ordered from mechkeyboards and specifically ordered a ducky one tkl (NORGB) for 89$ but they sent me the RGB version instead

Is this normal for them?

>>61236736
No, give it back.

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I've always used a $25 keyboard. Which one of these do i get, lads?

>>61236736
no it sounds like they made a mistake and if you got abs keycaps instead of pbt you should exchange it

>>61236823
Neither, get the tada68.

>>61236829
yeah they are abs which kind of makes me annoyed they even sent me an email asking if I wanted a different pbt ducky because the one I originally wanted was out of stock.

>>61236843
What website would i even buy that off of?

>>61237083
Aliexpress, kbdist, ebay.

>>61237083
china

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I have 110 burgers and I'm looking for a keyboard.
Should I just peek for now and wait till Prime day, or should I not even bother with that.
I've always heard Prime day was kind of lack luster.

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>>61236503
>>61235335
buckling spring > *

I've got a ducky at work just because it's polite in that it's quiet. Otherwise buckling spring is the best switch ever made.

anybody who prefers MX to buckling spring has dainty chink hands with carpel tunnel. Just look at the build of the buckling spring. that is american fucking manufacturing. heavy on material, resilient to failure, easily replaceable, fabricated to be sturdy as fuck for big meaty american hands

>>61237083
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Tada68-Mechanical-keyboard-gateron-swtich-65-layout-Dye-sub-keycaps-cherry-profils-enjoypbt-keycap-cherry-profile/32807055607.html
https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/tada68-mechanical-keyboard-gateron-swtich-65-layout-dye-sub-keycaps-cherry-profils

Replacing switches. How difficult is it, and what should I be aware of?

>>61237140
wait but not specifically for prime day, do research on chinkboards, keyboard layouts, switches, keycaps and such, or fill out the buyer's template if you want personalized advice

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>xd60 pdb, plate, and keyswitches finally arrived
>keycaps and case soon™

>mention muh Gat in public
>immediate nervous and/or frightened looks
>had completely forgotten that term already meant something

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>omron switches are mushy like membrane
>uses topre switch

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What set is this? It's super nice.

>>61238583
granite

>>61237792
get a sucker to make it super quick to remove solder, and just make sure the solder has stuck to both the pin and socket

If I wanna try out topre, what can I do? In east London

Also Matias Quiet or Topre?

>>61239017
Buy it on ebay

Topre.

>CTRL+F "GMK"
>0 results

Can anyone comment on the quality of these? I really like the look of the Nautilus set on Massdrop right now.

>>61239038
That's basically the worst possible option because returns are a bitch

>>61239080
Why would you return a topre?

>>61239050
>paying over $100 for ABS keycaps
go ahead and waste your money, retard.

>>61239250
That's not a legitimate complaint.

I have a set of doubleshot ABS keycaps in SA profile (pulse) and they are extremely nice.

There are cheap PBT keycaps and cheap ABS keycaps. ABS has slightly cheaper manufacturing costs so when a brand is cutting costs, of course they will use ABS over PBT.

When you're actually getting a quality keycap, it could go either way.

I also have a set of IMSTO gray PBT dyesub keycaps which are considered the best by many. I don't prefer them.

>>61239017
get a BTC 5100

>>61239096
Because I have no idea if I'll like it? I specifically mentioned "trying out", not making a final purchase.

>>61239528
Its okay you already said you're retarded. No need to mention it again.

>>61239736
at least abs isnt a warped mess on any key over 2u

>>61239777
Tell that to SP who some how managed to fuck up SA double shot ABS. They're switching to PBT cause its easier for them to mold. But SP is run by people even more retarded then you.

>>61239828
Fucked up how? I have a set of pulse and they are all perfect.

>>61238607
Well... They seem to have been a limited run. Cuz I can't find an available place to order them from.

>>61240063
You weren't around for the shit show that was SA 1976. It was possible to get four sets for like 50 bucks cause they were all warped to shit. It also delayed all their other SA projects for a whole year. All the other sets had problems, but none were as bad as 1976. They then sold their old tooling to maxkey about a year ago. I believe godspeed is the first set to be made with the new tooling, and its also why SA keysets have become so much cheaper, becuase they no longer throw away half the sets the make.

>>61240165
these have similar colors

OEM profile:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NPKC-Customized-61-87-104-ANSI-Keyset-OEM-Profile-Thick-PBT-Keycap-set-For-Cherry-MX/32813657693.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/mechanical-keyboard-thick-PBT-keycap-cherry-mx-OEM-height-side-print-grey-white-similar-granite-classic/32745591886.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/mechanical-keyboard-thick-PBT-keycap-cherry-mx-OEM-height-side-print-grey-white-similar-granite-classic/32711894266.html

DSA profile:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/109-Keys-DSA-PBT-Perfect-Arc-Spherical-Keycap-Dye-Sublimated-Keycaps-For-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard/32812902216.html

What kind of useful layers do people do with a programmable keyboard?

>>61240283
On my TKL I made a numpad that can input alt codes, as well as media keys and a few trading macros for some MMOs I play,

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>>61234781
anyone know of any brown and white keysets like coffee that arent $100 and sold out..?

>>61240481
use dye

>>61240481
If you don't care about quality wasd keyboards has this
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/keycap-mod-packs/45-key-cherry-mx-keycap-set.html

What's the lightest clicky switch I can get ?
Going back to my poker with blues after a month using my 35g topre clone feels fucking terrible, but can't quite give up on clicky goodness.
Please help.

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>>61236391

>>61241293
The cheapest and easiest option would be to get a g80 with blues then do a 35g spring swap. The only tool required is a tweezer, and would cost you around 70-80 bucks

>>61241314
Good shit brother, how do DSA caps feel ? I'm about to buy a set
>>61241384
Will look at it, thanks for the recommendation.

>>61241520
My favorite profile so far. I'm not really a fan of tall keycaps.

>Budget
None
>Location (continent at least)
US
>Preferred switch type
Something good for typing as well as the occasional gaymen
>Layout
Don't know anything about layouts
>Form factor
10 key less
>Backlight
Preferably but not absolutely necessary
>Previous/current keyboards
Ducky Shine 5 Cherry mx browns

>Budget
120$ or less

>Location
US

>Switch Type
Blue

>Layout
ANSI

>Form Factor
65% or smallest I can go while still having arrow keys

>Backlight
No

>Current
Some dynex keyboard. Want something nicer

how easy is it to lube up plate mounted switches?
my board is starting to get squeaky and i think all the original lube is gone after the years and spilling soda and cleaning it out a few years ago

>>61241673
Wow ignore my shitty spacing

>>61241673
TADA68, though I would recommend getting it with browns, since gateron blues aren't that good.

>>61241681
Should probably take a full day since you'll be desoldering the switches, opening them up and lubing every single stem, then resoldering them.

>>61241720
oh shit really?
ive never soldered before, are there any good guides to start?

>>61241730
If you have no experience with soldering whatsoever, I wouldn't recommend messing with your kb if you care about it, since you can damage the pcb really easily if you don't know what you're doing.
Watch some videos of people swapping out switches/ building keyboards, there's a bunch of those on yt, should give some general knowledge about it, but practice does make perfect so don't expect it to go smoothly on first tries, practice on something else first.
And you will need a desoldering pump, mine was like $2 but you shouldn't get the really cheap ones since it does make the job more difficult.

>>61241656
>>61241673
tada68 and don't listen to the cherry shill, get blue if you want blue, gateron blue isn't bad just not identical to cherry

>>61241806
so i should practice on another board then?
i have a bricked tada68 and a v60 i could fuck around with
thanks for the help anon

>>61236596
>YMD75
What are the differences between this and the KBD75? It looks very similar, just without the diffusing thing the KBD75 gives you...

>>61241822
Yeah, practice on whichever you can live without.
What keyboard are you gonna lube up ? Make sure you're using the proper lube, most recommended is krytox.

>>61241877
i was going to lube up my kul es-87
enter key and a few others are squeaky and the pause break is sticky again

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>>61241825
as far as i can tell they are mostly equivalent, the case design is a tiny bit different as you can see in pic related, YMD75 comes with gateron or cherry switches, KBD75 comes with gateron or zealio switches, YMD75 has cheaper assembly service ($7 vs $17)

>>61241808
What is the best out off the different gateron switches?

>>61241895
it's generally agreed that gateron brown, black and red are better than the cherry equivalents. the opinion on gateron blue varies (better/same/worse).

>>61241895
>>61241916
but which switch you should pick depends on your preferences. blue is popular for typing. gateron brown is a great alternative if you want it to be quieter.

>>61241894
It also comes in less colors, but I'm assuming that means it's on aliexpress these are gonna be produced in more than small batches.

I have a KBD75 on the way, it's good to know that I'll be able ot get another 75 percent kit down the road without much trouble if I want though.

I have a
Filco majestouch tenkeyless red
Filco majestouch tenkeyless blue
Is there anything else I should get/try?

>>61241927
I just want the keyboard that is going to increase my speed and be the most comfortable. Also would like to know if you had any other reccomendations besides the tada68. Would like blank or very dark keycaps if possible.

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>>61241941
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9W13T36062

the keycap selection is limited (5.5u spacebar is uncommon) but you can use the stock keycaps or for example the spacebar from the spacebar kit:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Carbon-DSA-PBT-Perfect-Arc-Spherical-Keycap-White-Radium-vulture-Cherry-MX-switch-keycaps-for-Mechanical/32803021562.html
or this keycap set:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mechanical-keyboard-pbt-keyboarded-a-large-black-keyboard-keyboarded/32740037614.html

>>61241916
not necessarily true anymore now that Cherry has retooled their switches. Their new molds are much smoother while having less wobble than Gaterons.

>>61241941
or this if you want a standard tenkeyless layout

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Plum87-gateron-mx-brown-blue-mechanical-keyboard-RGB-backlit-TKL-gaming-keyboard-PBT-keycap-87-tenkeyless/32598358025.html

>buy a dick shine
>Lasts just over a year
>Buy a noppopo Spyder lasts 2 years
>My dell membrane shit is still going 10 years later after thousands of hours oh rhythm games and DFO
Mech keyboards might be a meme

>>61241886
>es-87
nice board
Also some general tips for messing with solder
wear safety glasses
don't breath in the solder smoke, it's cancer
use flux
always apply a little solder on top of the old one when desoldering, makes the job easier.

>>61242084
breathe*
and have a fan blowing it away from your face

>>61235335
Cherry Blues (and other Cherry MX switches in general) are basically modded linear switches. The tactility doesn't compare.

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>>61242084
>>61242104

alright thanks anon
i really appreciate the help

>>61241974
>>61241993
Could I get a brief redpill on keycaps?
Do they all fit on any type of keyboard regardless of switch?

>>61242080
>Have a mainframe keyboard that's been in continuous use since the 1970's and not only still works but feels and looks great

It's all about build quality and not whether a board is mechanical or not.

>>61242114
>redpill
yes pretty much all of them fit, cherry style caps are the most common
you just need to make sure that you get the right sized spacebars and shift keys, things like that

Which keyboard layout is the most /g/ approved?

Dvorak or Colemac?

>>61242132
And I assume that was what you meant when you said 5.5u spacebar

Wireless.

>>61242112
The guy is a pussy. The smoke is burning resin, which is not good for you but it's not gloom and doom either. He's probably got a shit ton of smoke from using extra resin flux though which is why he needs a fan.

The glasses thing is important, just because boiling resin or metal in your eye is not a good thing.

The most important thing he forgot to tell you is to buy a desoldering pen though. An iron won't suck out the solder from the holes with magic.

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>>61242114
If the caps are for cherry mx kbs they'll fit kbs with cherry mx switches in all of its variants and all of the cherry clones as long as the keyboard has standard sizes.
There are several keycap profiles, pic related is most of them.
Keycap material is up for discussion but most people prefer PBT, since it's more durable and provides a better feeling when typing.
Double-shot and dye-sub keycaps are more expensive and highly regarded cause the printing will never/take a very long time to fade away.

>>61242183
Wow this picture is extremely helpful thank you. And what keycap brands are /mkg/ favorites or most highly praised?

>>61242173
>The most important thing he forgot to tell you is to buy a desoldering pen though
I did though, scroll up.
And call me a pussy but breathing in solder fumes does fuck with you, I personally get headaches.

>>61242156
im not that anon, but yes

>>61242214
mkg loves pbt
doubleshot abs are good too

>>61242216
I get headaches when I walk through the perfume department of a department store. That doesn't make it deadly.

>>61242214
KBDFans has some good sets and decent diversity
https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/collections/keycaps
also search on aliexpress as "pbt/abs keycap [your preferred profile]"
that's what I do, can't go wrong.

>>61242281
Thanks I was looking for a reliably brand

>>61234928
>Overpriced Unix layout with overpriced rubber domes

When the chinks will start to sell capacitive buckling springs?

>>61243280
Once they see how profitable it is. Not like it's that complicated a system either.

>>61243280
When they steal the blueprints and machinery like they always do.

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>Still no update

Why do you guys shill tada68 so much?
Looks like a piece of shit

>>61242154
Programmer's Dvorak on a split and tented ortholinear keyboard

>>61243893

The tada is one of the best keyboards in its category. 65%, great keycaps, programmable, great price tag. The problem is we have faggots like >>61241808 that spam it for everyone, including when it's not the type of keyboard people are looking for.

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anyone knows where can I get this beauty?

>>61244145
http://www.keyclack.com/groupbuy/rgb65
http://www.keyclack.com/groupbuy/pbt9009

>>61244158
Thank you very much

Whats the catch on the MasterKeys S PBT TKL? It's only $80 which sounds too good to be true.

>>61244211
Not programemeable
No idea if it has a standard bottom row.

Just shows how absurdly overpriced those little pieces of plastic are.
Sadly the >mech keeb xD autists think $200 for 100 pieces of plastic is actually not a ripoff

>>61240283
I made my tada68 into a 40%

I pretty much only use the number row when I need to hit a couple of numbers by themselves, when not otherwise typing - it's easier to peck at the top row with one hand than bring both hands to a typing position, or do one-handed acrobatics to hit the layer modifier+letter. When the hands are already positioned for typing, though, the number row sits pretty much unused.

Looking for a living room keyboard. I love the design of the tada68, especially, the minimalistic design, it's small size and white and grey caps.

I'm looking for similar boards for comparison. Wireless would be a huge plus, but I'm not expecting much. I'm fine with running a wire from my TV to my couch.

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62g feels nice lads

>>61239828
>>61240063
dont know if im just being nitpicky but when i got my custom dsa, a bunch of keys had like small leftover runners or flash. it's a small thing i know but i guess it's not something i would expect from SP let alone a 100$+ key set

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Fucking keylets and xboxhueg spacewasters, when will they learn?

>>61245285
Anne pro has bt

>>61245412
Thanks, it's on the list.

>>61234928
just dye your keycaps

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Has anyone ever seen split spacebars for sale? I just got my Mistel Barocco in the mail, but if I ever want to get custom keycaps, I have no clue where I can buy spacebars that are split.

>>61242154
Either Colemak or Workman.

Workman makes some great assumptions and on paper looks like the best currently existing layout, but it's very unclear whether it actually ends up being better than Colemak in practice. All "benchmarks" for layouts also have to make some assumptions as to what should count for the score so it's really hard to decide which scores to trust and what really ends up "best". Workman is also such obscure hipster shit that it's really hard to find opinions of other people using it.
I personally am learning it right now despite all that. Unfortunately I don't know colemak so I won't be able to compare them.

Dvorak is outdated shit. It improves vastly over qwerty, but is completely outclassed by other modern layouts, so if you're going to be re-learning to type there's no reason to choose the inferior option.

>>61245482
3u spacebars are possible to get. your pic looks like it has two 3u spacebars instead of 3u+3.25u. check if the connectors have the same spacing between them, and if so, you just need two 3u spacebars. if the connectors are the same as on the 2.75u right shift key, you need just one 3u spacebar/"spacekey" and one 2.75u shift/"spacekey".

two 3u spacebars for $23.87:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Carbon-DSA-PBT-Perfect-Arc-Spherical-Keycap-White-Radium-vulture-Cherry-MX-switch-keycaps-for-Mechanical/32803021562.html

$4.5 each:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/White-Thick-PBT-Blank-Additional-Keycap-Supplement-Keycap-Special-Keycap-Set-Key-Cap-Set-7u-3u/32645867417.html

then for example this "spacekeys" kit where the keys are concave unlike normal spacebars:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/carbon?mode=guest_open

i found another set with a 5.5u spacebar, this time in XDA profile

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/XDA-141-Key-Full-Set-Keyset-Blank-Similar-to-DSA-For-MX-Mechanical-Keyboard-Steelseries-Ergo/429151_32797415493.html

this further improves the viability of noppoo choc mini and plum 84, which at $60-$70 with gateron switches i think are great value

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>Not rocking the Datamancer Sojourner
Poorfags

https://www.amazon.com/Datamancer-Sojourner-Keyboard-length-braided/dp/B00MJ3M91E

>>61245814
that thing is just overpriced, i don't care if it's """"""""""""""""art"""""""""""""""", you could relatively easily clone that thing for a fraction of the cost

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>>61245814
>$1000
>Cherry shit switches
I wouldn't mind the high price tag, but it has some of the worst switches ever made.
>>61245934
Whats the point. It can be free, but with those cherry switches you'd have to pay me to use it.

>>61245515
I've been told by Mistel owners that the spacebar stabiliser spacing isn't normal 3u so those may not work.

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Fuck anons why is it so hard to pick a keycap set? I've spent like a week on ali
Also why is the magicforce price through the fucking roof? You can't even find a black one. I bought mine for $40 last spring. Same for the black drevo excalibur. It got one good review and now it's price has doubled.

Does unicomp make black keycaps?

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I'm beeeeeeeck

>>61246812
yes

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>>61246812
Yes. They make them in like 14 colors and offer custom printing services.

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>>61246812
>>61246935
wrong pic, but you get the idea

>>61246024
What switches do you prefer?

>>61246935
>>61246932
Cool. I only need to ask them to put black keycaps in my order only?
Do they offer a more sexy sticker for the leds?

Are gateron browns better that cherry MX browns?

>>61247197
The meme says yes. Cherry browns are scratchy as fuck.
Also they are way cheaper.

>>61247169
Yes and Yes, or if you already bought one you can replace it
http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/LED

>>61245515
Thanks. Taking the space keys off makes it seem that the sizes are slightly different, but those links still help

>>61248025
The worst part about the light saver is that ugly case, and it looks even worse on the V3. If only someone would make a plain case with a 96 key layout like the old RS96

Where can I get an ergonomic spacebar? Flipping is less than optimal and looks disgusting.

>>61248802
Pimpmykeyboard sells DSA spacebars individually I guess if that's what you're looking for

>>61248802
get a DSA spacebar

>>61248824
>>61248827
these

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are 40%/50% keyboards a meme? people say you can type faster and be more productive with them but they seem far too small and having to press a function key just to use even basic characters makes the whole thing seem a little clunky and awkward to use

thoughts?

>>61249332
60%/65%/75% is small enough

>>61249332
65% is the perfect size

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Is ErgoDox a ripoff? It looks so fucking nice but the price tag is quite high, especially as a Canadian.

whats the best build your own keyboard set anons?

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what kind of connector is this?
I wanted to replace the broken cable on my WASD V1 and the guy from WASD said that V1's use Filco cables, but the replacement Filco cable I bought didn't fit.

>>61249970
I think people here will call it reddit-tier, but Planck is nice.

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thinking about getting the proton white case for my kul es-87 and get the extended black mouse pad from glorious. looks good imo, feels better.

>>61249970
depends on the layout. KBD75 and YMD75 are nice for 75%. YMD96 is nice for 90%

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thoughts on the IBM SK-8820?

Is it mechanical?

>>61250418
At least twice a day a retard like you shows up. Ise google ya dumb shit.

>>61249712
The one pictured is, thankfully there's cheaper variants. Especially if you're willing to do at least the switch assembly, and moreso full component assembly.

>>61250418
not mechanical

>>61249712
On the Ez you're paying like $100 for assembly

Worth it if you have the money and are deathly afraid of handling electronics and a soldering iron yourself. Otherwise make your own - if you do that, then it actually becomes a pretty nice deal.

>>61234781
How much of a meme is pic related? It looks really sexy as a portable keyboard with pseudo-split non-staggered layout a matias quiets, but $150 seems quite a lot when you can get a full-sized ergodox for about that much.

>>61250769
it's completely unusable, it's mainly just for wow-factor when you show people.

60% is the smallest usable keyboard you can get.

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>>61250769
not as much as this

>>61250769
It was designed as a travel companion board to the ergodox, which makes it a niche of a niche

Are there any topre keyboards with cherry compatible stems so I can use keycaps I have with them? something small and not in the $250+ range?

>>61250982
novatouch but it has been discontinued
plum 84/87 topre clone

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http://web.archive.org/web/20161020010737/http://www.daskeyboard.com:80/blog/6-reasons-you-shouldnt-buy-into-the-ergonomic-keyboard-hype/

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>>61251028
>novatouch but it has been discontinued
FUCK!

>plum 84/87 topre clone
I don't want chinkshit. I want the real thing.

I see that Realforce is making gayming keyboard with cherry stems but it's huge, has gay-ass RGB shit and it's expensive as fuck.

learning to touch type is triggering my indecisiveness and low confidence. im constantly second guessing myself if i should move this or that finger. this is horrible

>>61250418
No.
No mech keyboard by IBM has Windows key to begin

>>61251147
it'll be worth it

>>61251083
>True ergonomics require products that fit the user
No shit
>Unlearning muscle memory is hard
No shit
>There's multiple ergonomic keybaord designs and that's bad!
But you just said that everyone's needs are different, so shouldn't multiple models with different shapes and such be good?
>If you use an ergonomic keyboard badly you'll still injure yourself!
No shit, same with normal keyboards
>Unlearning muscle memory is hard
No shit
>Ergo is expensive!
This is the closest they come to making an actual point, and that's pretty rich coming from a company known for making keyboards that are more expensive than they deserve to be.

>>61250982
yes there are, but why not get a topre clone made by the factory that used to make topres for leopold. They are still expensive, but they have cherry compatible stems

>>61251153
how long do you suggest I practice? what do i do in between practice sessions? just not look at the kb? also how the fuck do i reach Y. i have baby hands

>>61251199
I don't want Topre clones. they're crap. I'm willing to spend money on the real thing but having cherry-mx compatibility is a deal-breaker to me because I have 3-4 sets of extra caps that I really like and use and I'm 100% certain it doesn't exist in a topre variety.

>>61251369
that's funny cause topres went from being made in korea to china.

>>61251407
It really doesn't matter where they're made whose hands touch the machinery. It matters who sets the standards, what the quality control is, what the design is, how much time was put into engineering and design of molds and so on.

I work for a company that manufactures stuff in china and it's as good or better than the stuff made in the US. it all comes down to cost.

Topre doesn't make products that target a specific price. They make the best product they can and charge a lot for it too. Chinese clones penny-pinch and cut corners and try to minimize the cost as much as possible.

Saying that something's crap just because it's made in china is ignorant and retarded. Don't be that guy.

>>61251123
The real thing is now chink.

>>61251474
Thats rich coming from the guy who wouldn't by topre clones from ex topre employees. Just kys ya prick.

>>61251484
I remember the Korean topre being pretty decent, the new ones are mushy.

>>61251484
see >>61251474

>>61251502
I have no idea what that illiterate gibberish even means. take some english lessons or something.

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>>61251123
You can still find used novatouches for sale. You can also get stems to make your topre keyboard compatible with cherry keycaps. The most common ones are the novatouch stems which I think you can still buy. There are a few others out there.

>2017
>still using overpriced rubber domes
Fucking toprefags, when they learn?

>>61251474
>Topre doesn't make products that target a specific price. They make the best product they can and charge a lot for it too.
>he seriously believes that topre doesn't cut corners everywhere to to maximize their profit
>he doesn't take account the placebo effect of their overpriced crap.

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Thoughts on this case? I like it but it only exists as a render.

>>61243546
You should bought that meme keyboard from their site.

>>61251665
>believing a "mechanical" switch makes typing
a better experience and wastes too much money on them

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The apostrophe key on my Pok3r with clears stopped registering presses a few weeks ago, and even though I can just remap the key on another layer, the problem is still driving me insane.

Because of this, and even though I loved this board, I am going to replace it and get a new keyboard. My question is, are there any 60% or tenkeyless keyboards that stand out to you over this one, besides the HHKB which I am not interested in? Also, do you think brown switches would work well for me, seeing as the only issue I had with these clears was that they were a little too heavy?

>>61251709
Whats even funnier is the guy is a poorfag that can't even afford a normal topre keyboard. The cheapest one is the type heaven for 150 bucks, and that one is pure shit.

>>61251713
I find it nice. I would love it if that case was eventually made of CNC aluminum.

>>61251724

HHKB all of the day bro

>>61251723
Topre aren't nearly tactile as a proper buckling spring keyboard for example.
I like my keyboards clicky.
The only thing positive about them is that you don't need to bottom out to activate it since they are capacitive. But they still are rubber domes.
Go to meme some overpriced weeb shit outside.

>>61251724
Dude, just test and change the switch. No need to repleace the entire keyboard.

>>61251774
How would I do that, as someone with little experience repairing electronics, and almost no equipment with which I would do such a thing?

>>61251785
Watch some tutorials and buy some rosin solder, a solder iron and solder wick. Its a bit more difficult than change a electrical socket, but isn't a seventh heaven skill.

>>61251763
Topres were never designed to be a consumer product. They're used in industrial applications cause they're much more durable then cherry switches, but the average consumer isn't doing any heavy work with their keyboard that warrants the better build quality.

>Want dream keyboard
>Caps are a limited release from several years ago being flipped for 5 times the price
>Case is selling sometime next year, shipping the year after that, aluminum version is extremely limited
>Switches are obscure and hard to find
how do diehard keyboard dorks survive?

>>61251763

What is wrong with the switches using rubber? It's not something objectively bad and it's hardly the same as a cheap membrane board, sounds like you're the one spouting memes

>>61251763
the razer ornata has objectively the most tactile response in a keyboard and it uses a membrane base..

>>61251809

>spend the same amount of money as buying a new keyboard to test one switch

>>61251854
that's just an overpriced mitsumi keyboard for 4x the cost. Besides the unicomp keyboards are much more tactile, and are even cheaper too

>>61251626
Thanks anon! Actually, I found a site that sells BNIB NovaTouch TKLs for under $200. I just ordered it! Yay!

>>61251865
In what third hole shithole you live?
These things aren't nearly expensive as a fucking Pok3r.

>>61251841
There aren't as many as you think, and it isn't that expensive if you budget $1k per year and it is your only hobby.

>>61236823
get the corsair one. however i really dont like how the new keycaps for the k70 look, it has a textured space bar too. if you can find the version from about 2 years ago, buy that one. if you cant, buy a rosewill rk9000v2. i did have a corsair k95 in the past though and the keys started fucking up really soon (too late to return it though).

>>61251851
Rubber stiffens over time.

>>61251926
link plz

>>61251936

Why would living in a third world country cause soldering irons to become more expensive than a pok3r?

Spoken like a true burger.

>>61251709
They reduce costs. Moving to China from Korea cuts costs. Quality hasn't suffered because they still test the shit out of everything.

After going to China and visiting Chinese factories, I can tell you from first-hand experience that chinese works are excellent and probably best in the world. Why? Because they aren't spoiled, they don't have unions and they do what they're told. Yes, that view might feel inhumane but that's what makes them good. They're capable to producing the highest quality product possible IF THEY"RE TOLD to do that.

If you tell them that they won't be penalized based on how much time they spend per task and if you instruct them to produce something based on tolerances instead, they will produce good stuff. There's so many workers to choose from that you can pick detailed oriented people to work on something like that.

Anyway, that's way out of the scope of this thread so I'll leave it at that. I got what I wanted. Thanks to the anons above for pointing me at NovaTouch.

>>61251940
It's more the waiting that would drive me crazy.

>>61251959
>>61251988
Well I'm not those anons. I'm a leech who wants a novatouch. I was gonna buy a used one for 160 bucks, but I'll spend the extra money and get a new one. Now post a link please.

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How do I rma a keyboard with a switch that stopped working from mechanicalkeyboards.com?

I've never sent anything back before in my life, so I am unfamiliar with the process.

>>61251854
A Model M is superior and is cheaper.

>>61252081
i grew on model m's and similar buckling spring kb's. i disagree. sorry.

>>61252088
Five cents where deposited into your account, goy. Thanks for shilling for razer!

What are the best guides for learning to custom build keyboards? I want to fall for the meme.

Thinking of getting into this hobby

What do you guys think of WASD keyboards?

>>61252202
get the barebones keyboards as their keycaps are mediocre. then buy a set of cherry profile PBT keycaps for 40-50 bucks depending on what you want.

What's the most niche thing you want?
I want Mkhedruli keycaps.

>>61252293
A Plank keyboard for learning Steno.

>>61252293
That's not very niche at all since you can get those for like 60 bucks.

>>61252312
Ones that aren't garbage.

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>>61234781
Hey /mkg/, so, coming from /csg/ myself, I just got myself a James Donkey 619 and it's pretty nice desu. Given that It's a chinaboard, I don't care about warranties and such and want to mod this thing.
Are there any keyboard enclosures that'd fit the PCB and such of this board? Though floating key designs are neat, I much prefer the bezeled look of older keyboards.
I've seen the layout before, function key row being spaced fairly close to the number row, but I don't remember which keyboards those were and where to get the enclosures.
Anyone help a dude out?

Dear /mkg/
I'm going this saturday to a thrift fair, hoping to score some nice vintage mech keyboard.
What keyboards do you recomend to get? What ones should avoid?

>>61252902
With that keyboard you can't due to the position of the screws, but I'm sure you can figure something out
http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/housings-and-related-parts/82-acrylic-housing-for-nerd-tkl.html

>>61252932
anything alps is good, aek/ii, bs

>>61252932
IBM model M/Fs are great to good. Dell bigfoot keyboards are also pretty common. Maybe you'll find old apple keyboards, but beware those need an adapter that isn't made anymore, and they stopped being mechanical after 95. If you're really luck get any old honeywell microswitch keyboard that you can find

>>61234928
holy fuck sauce anon

>>61251290
Y is right pointer reaching. Don't practice, just force yourself to not look at the keyboard at all and your survival instinct will make you learn faster

>Budget
None
>Location (continent at least)
USA
>Preferred switch type
Green
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
65%
>Backlight
No
>Previous/current keyboards
IBM Model M

Thanks in advance, friends.

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I need a new keyboard and I feel like treating myself to a mechanical one. I intend to use it for gaming, too.

I like the clicking feel of mechanical keyboards but not the loud clicking of blue switches - I assume the Brown switches would be the ideal for me, then? I don't really understand the difference between red and black switches, but I know brown switches seem to be the middle ground between them and blue ones.

>>61253928
Depends on the type of gaming you do.
If you're into more "esports" type of games (games that are competitive, quick paced, and mechanical) then get reds or blacks. Black just requires a bit more force to push down, not much more, but a bit. If that type of gaming is not your thing, then get browns.

>>61253928
It sounds like you want tactility. You could get custom switches that are really tactile like MOD-Ms and make your own keyboard, but that tends to be more money and obviously takes some work.

You should just get a keyboard that has Cherry Clear switches. In the meantime, you should really get a switch tester to make sure you really want Cherry Brown.

>>61253990
>>61254138
I do play some FPS games like Overwatch and Battlefield, so yeah, mostly quick-paced games over strategy ones. I've used a rubber dome the past few years, the last one being a Logitech 120, so I'm very inexperienced at this. Linear/not tactile switches would be better, then?

The keyboard I'm looking at right now has Gateron brown switches, which I hear are lighter/smoother than Cherry ones. I don't know if they're comparable to reds.

>>61254203
Those are clones of MX browns. They're completely fine and compatible with MX Key Caps so that's good.

Since you play FPS games, then I think tactile keys (Browns) would be better for you. Reds/Blacks are good for MOBAs and RTS games that have a lot of repetitive high speed key pressing.

>>61254203
Subtle bump of Cherry MX browns might better. But the tactile very subtle you should try the real switches before buy.

But if you like the tactile of MX blues, go for Gateron browns.

>>61254241
>>61254281
Thanks for the advice. Browns are looking to be the best pick after all. I do like the tactile feel of blue switches, but not how loud they are. Reds seem to be much lighter from what I've heard but also I'll definitely try them out a little more before making my final decision, though, since most people seem to prefer reds for gaming and I don't want buyer's remorse.

>>61252962
I mean, it's nothing a dremel, some good standoffs, and a bit of epoxy can't fix.
Anything cheaper though? I don't know if I'd feel comfortable about paying nearly double the price of the keyboard on an acrylic housing like that. Especially something that's just through-hole like that, I like the whole covered smooth face plated kinda like on the Quickfires, HHKBs, and old keyboards of back in the day.

>>61253879
CM Storm quickfire or Ducky One TKL.
Both have cherry green switches and aren't too bad. Quickfire's hard to find, ducky can be found here or just generally around
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1691

Post "real" typing games like typing of the dead and shit like that
I wish to learn proper touch typing and sitting on 10fastfingers and similar sites for more than 10minutes just seem like a waste of fucking time
What's the best, or several good games that are for typing ? Played shark typer a long time ago and I know there was some new typer of the dead or some shit, anything else ?

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Are there any keyboards that are like pic related, but with function keys.
A board with 6 rows, but no arrow keys or print screen, scroll lock, etc keys.

>>61253756
Google 'HHKB Stormtrooper'

>>61254938
Noppoo nano75, plum 75

what cherry key is generally the best one for gaymen
everywhere I look it seems to be red but I'm not entirely sure

>>61255083
MX Silvers are supposed to be the dedicated gaming switch, but if you're buying a keyboard for gaming instead of typing comfort you're going to have a bad time.

>>61255083
The best one for gaming is the one with the lowest latency. Cherry MX Speed or the upcoming MX Speed Silver switches (http://www.pcgamer.com/the-new-cherry-mx-speed-silver-may-become-its-most-popular-gaming-switch/) are ideal for this.

Cherry also has some boards, like the Cherry MX 6.0 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00UBPKAF4) with some "RealKey" tech that replaces the digital matrix used to poll which key is presse with an analog relay, which reduces delay for inputs, as well.

Gay Linus also made a video on laser-based keyboards which also fit this quick reaction type of keyboard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSKXcbnIjmk

Bottoming out keys is also a factor. While you can train yourself to not bottom out keys, some games will require double/triple taps to perform some mechanic. If you use some o-rings, you can marginally reduce the overall travel depth of the key and give you a slight edge in multi-tapping keys quickly.

>>61235045
Nice X cloud 2s, had mine for a while now and love them.

>>61255173
>double/triple taps
>bottoming out
Only for linear. Tactile switches does the better job because the bump.

>>61255268
All of the quick response keyboards linked or listed in the video link are linear. MX Speed Silver, MX Speed, and the Cherry MX Board 6.0 uses MX Red; All linear. The three laser-type keyboards reviewed by Gay Linus are also linear travel.

In so far there is no keytype that promises both quick response and is non-linear.

So yes, o-rings (while subjective in design by themselves) may assist some users who habitually bottom out by reducing the travel distance.

>>61255153
>>61255173
I do quite a bit of typing as well so I'm hoping if I get one for vidya it's not going to be too troublesome when I type
Is it really that big of a problem when I type if I get a key made specifically for games

What's that stuff about brown switches "feels like red with dirt in them", in FAQ?
I need a soft, not laud switch, with good tactile feedback and preferably short throw, but not necessary . Browns sounded like something I need, but that dirt thing doesn't sound too great. Should I resign from tactile feedback and get something with MX SPEED SILVERs?
Or maybe something outside of MX switches?

>>61255515
Matias Quiet Pro or Topres.

>>61243546
tfw using my planck from the first drop

>>61255515
Because the bump in Cherry MX browns very subtle some might not feel in intensive typing. Gateron browns offer larger bump and with smooth stem make the bump more pronounce.

But for myself, I do like the subtle bump of browns. Reds with dirt in the middle is not far from that and that exactly why I prefer Cherry browns.

But again, try before buying if possible.

>>61255537
>>61255603
Topre look good on paper too, but you cleared my doubts on browns. So I'll need to look into it. Thanks.

>>61235618
will it improve my lifts?

>>61255827
If you move your keyboard like mouse then yes.

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>Tfw cant think of color scheme for new tkl

>>61256022
Black and grey

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what are your thoughts on the engraved keycaps on massdrop r/n?

I had a hard time tracking down a set in the wild, so i think i'm going to get two sets.

>>61251713
looks nice and sturdy. i would prefer if it was sloped a bit less.

>>61253879
TADA68 if you can go with gateron blue
YMD75 or KBD75 if you can go with 75% (65% + function row)

>>61257243
Yeah, don't they need to be sloped backwards for optimal ergonomics?

>>61257329
You say that like the enthusiast market isn't all about aesthetics over ergonomics.

>>61257383
I don't see how a forward sloped keyboard is more aesthetic than a backwards one.

>>61253928
>>61254203
>>61254380
If you live in US and have amazon prime, buy a switch tester then return it. >>61253990
don't buy into this bullcrap red switches. its not gonna make a difference. try switches out and get the one you feel the most comfortable on. this will have a bigger impact when playing. and >>61253990
fuck off with this.

>>61256595
they look ugly personally. are they abs? if they are, that abs shine is gonna look so bad

>>61255341
"gaming" keeys are really light. the only problem would be accidental key press which might seem trivial but, if it happens alot its gonna be annoying

>>61256022
i've always wanted to try orange/white but, can't find a good shade of orange.

>>61254380
try typing on display units in a retail store

>>61256595
Engraved laser feels like complete shit.

I got a tada68, came with browns which are shit, so i swapped them for blues. Now i want to build my own tkl with gat greens and enjoypbt keycaps. Any recommendations for house-pcb-plate? I want it to be fully programmable, preferably with qmk (i macrod the shit out of my tada with it).

I would design my own, but im not as autist as the dude with the 3d printer and lolis. Thanks anons

>>61258444
But gat browns are good anon

Whereas gat greens are inferior to cherry

>>61258483
stop memeing, gateron brown is no good if you prefer clicky switches, and there is nothing wrong with gateron blue/green

>>61258444
if your budget allows, check gon ns nerd tkl, or if you're open to alternative layouts, check ymd75/kbd75/ymd96

>>61258444
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4dwyzn/b87_clone_from_taobao/

>>61258483
>>61258530
Browns are shit imo, regardless of make. And yeah, this is a bad meme, gat blues are fine. Greens i will see.

>>61258572
Thanks, but i would prefer a normal tkl as i already have a 65% which is pretty close to these

Why are keyboards with the numpad but without the function row so uncommon?
Numpads are great and far better than the numrow for entering strings of numbers, while the function row is mostly irrelevant since it's far easier to hit FN+number than stretch your fingers all the way up to it. Especially if you use a split spacebar setup with an FN key in the middle, then you can easily access the FN layer with either hand and no stretching.

What stabilisers are less garbage for a handwired build, Costar or Cherry plate?

>>61250166
What is keyboard?

>>61259360
KUL 87.

>>61259501
Thanks!

>>61258530
>>61258636
Browns are pretty good if you like having a slight tactile response, but also like the light feeling of reds. I found blues too excessive and reds too light, so browns hit the sweet spot for me. Again, different strokes for different folks.

If I were to buy a mx board, would cherry be the best choice now? Since I heard they bought new tooling/molds.

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