/pcbg/ PC Building General

>>61161007
>outdated CPU-Z benchmark
>no i7-7700K at all
>still recommending the $500+ RX 580
It's getting SHILLy in here

>>61161106
You know where to go.
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>>61161106
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>>61161111
fuck off with your threadwars you homosexual

>>61161106
>Coin miners have driven price up and stock down, waiting to buy a GPU might be wiser
its like you didn't even read the op, brian

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>>61161188
The guy's literally shilling his favourite brand and shitposting wojak picture whenever anyone attempt to discuss with him. If that's what you like then kindly fuck off to reddit or something.
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>>61161213
calm down sweetie

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>>61161213
>everyone who disagrees with me is one person
>muh 7700K housefire brand loyalty
>calls others shills
>>>/out/

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>>61161213
that's not even me, its just that no one likes your autistic bullshit with the 7700k, it was decided weeks ago to drop it from the fucking op but you keep on adding it and starting flamewars in threads that don't have it. enjoy the ban for that duplicate thread btw

Can anyone tell me how good my build is?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z8NHFd

>>61161007
lets see the retest on the new cpuz?

>>61161428
Not very well balanced. CPU is on the weak side. If you can you should go for the R5 1600. SSD is overpriced, get a PNY CS1311.
Rest looks reasonable, just be aware of the 1050Ti bottlenecking your system.

>>61161106
>Waaahhhhhhhhhh, stop disagreeing with me!

>>61161578
how is he going to get anything else the 1050ti is just about the only reasonable card that those faggot miners haven't bought by the truckload

>>61161713
True, just pointing out the weak spot. Now isn't the best time to buy gaymen PCs.

To those who are able to run their RAM at 3200mhz on an AM4 motherboard with the 1700x. What are your PC specs?

Every AM4 motherboard I've checked out there's issues with the BIOS unable to set the RAM at 3200mhz. Speaking of BIOs, did AMD fix this shit with any latest updates? If converting to Ryzen involes putting up with this shit then I may as well stick to Intel and the Z270 mothetboards.

Currently looking at the Asrock Taichi X370 and Trident Z 16GB 3200mhz RAM CL 14

>>61161777
Pretty much all ryzen systems can now with the new microcode update

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>>61161777
The tiachi should be able to support that ram just be sure to have the latest bios.

>>61161578
>SSD is overpriced, get a PNY CS1311
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#t=0&sort=ppgb&page=1&X=5084,12745
It's almost like you're unaware of the current outrageous SSD prices.

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Man, British prices are awful compared to US ones, basically dollars to pounds.

Just want something simple I can play newer games in 1080p at decent framerates on, and a bit of messing about with FL Studio.

The 1050ti is the only GPU worth buying right now unless you can't wait and are willing to overpay.

Prove me wrong.

>>61162396

Bollocks, forgot the link

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/t8QvGf

>>61162458
looks good

now get a job poorfag

>>61161305
wut font is that?

>>61162472

I'm an accountant kek, I just can't bring myself to spend too much when I don't think I'll ever have the need.

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>>61162511
>I'm an accountant
oy vey

Reminder that there is an ongoing thread that isn't as worthless as this one, with 80 more posts and twice the poster count.
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>>61161093
>>61161093

>>61162580
>go to thread
>read the first 30 or so posts
>endless shitposts
>close thread
yea ill stay here thanks

>>61162580
>with 80 more posts
Wow i wonder why, could it be nothing but useless shitposts and autism?

>>61162580
reminder both threads are equally worthless.
Quit arguing over which one is worse.

>>61162644
this one has 80 less shitposts though

>>61162396

Yeah maybe because your money isn't worth shit outside of the EU.

>>61161007
My work wants me to build up a PC for rendering instructional vidoes.

Was thinking of:
ryzen 1700
32bg ddr4
No idea what Motherboard is good
A Few 2tb hdds

Already have a case and 800w PS

>>61161273
>sweetie
In to the oven with you.

>>61162834

Not macroeconomically as much in recent years, but I had a few holidays in the States cheap as hell when £1 got you nearly $2 around 2008 or so. It's only like £1 to $1.40 now.

>>61162860
Asrock X370 Taichi
Asus x370 Prime is suppose to be good too.

Install latest updates for BIOs tho

>>61162926
The Crosshair is more in line with the Taichi. The Prime has the best VRM setup of any mid-range board though. It actually uses the same NexFETs as the Crosshair, making it the only other board to do so aside from the Taichi.

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>>61162905
no need to get nasty sweetie

>>61162659
A shitpost is still a shitpost anon.

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>>61162955
Crosshair is pretty expensive, but another good AM4 motherboard. I may consider getting it instead of the Taichi, already $2500 on my PC parts list

>>61163210
>>>/pol/

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>>61163210
/g/ is a PC, lgbtqp+ friendly multicultural progressive pro Islam board anon.
Please behave or (pic related)

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>>61163272
This is not your street.

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>>61163347
you aren't subtle faggot, go back to your containment thread

>>61163364
Find different street to desi/g/nate poojeet.

At least type different shit in the fucking thread today.

Dejavu the thread.

>>61163347
That's a muslim girl, we're hindu men

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>>61161007
Can we please make up our fucking mind about the 7700k.
I already bought it for my 144hz gaming build. This is the only situation where it makes sense. That was explained in the last thread. Why does every thread have a different stance on this?

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>>61161007
Is the ASUS KGPE-D16 with 2 AMD Opteron's (from the 6200 series) + 16GB of ram still good for a highend fully free workstation in the current year? Side note what GPU's will work with only 100% free software?

>>61165949
>bulldozer
no, its shit stop being a autistic freetard

>>61161007
Is there a way yet to monitor ryzen CPU temperatures?

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How can I check if my ram is fucked? I have shit power source. Computer froze and keeps going into boot loop. Last time this happened it was the ram. I'm pretty sure its the same now. Poopie

>>61168742
Step 1: Don't post sheeboons, this board isn't about bestiality.

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>>61168919
She's not black

>>61169084
>this
>not black
You must be american, right Mr. <60%?

>>61168742
http://www.memtest86.com/download.htm

Reminder the non-shitpost thread is over there, ignore shitposters and tards that keep posting jewish pictures or such
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>>61169121
Someone already recommended that. But my things in a boot loop. How do I even reach bios?

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>>61169112
Must be a shrimp dick white boi who knows he just can't compete

>>61169157
This is a shitskin free board, go away.

>>61169141
How many sticks of RAM do you have? Try removing all but one, then try that one in every socket. If that doesn't work, try a different single stick. Maybe try clearing the CMOS too. If none of that works, either your RAM's totally fucked or your motherboard/CPU is.

>>61169173
I only have one stick of ram.......

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>>61169229
Try it in every slot and clear the CMOS.

If it doesn't work, then you know what time it is, anon.

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So I'm looking to build a new PC. Can somebody please explain to my why do you shill Ryzen so much when it falls behind 7600k in single-thread performance, which is seemingly what's important for most games?

Is it just that "moar cores is the future"? Also, is the lag behind in single core performance just not too important for older games since the GPU is the bigger bottleneck?

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>>61169257
>i5

Enjoy your stutter, fagboi.

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>>61169250
W-What time is it?

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>>61169270
So Ryzen has higher lows and lower highs? Interesting. I feel like I'm buying into a meme, but I'm curious.

One thing though - I'm going to build a PC without a VGA now because crypto stuff. Intel has pretty decent on-board VGA cards that allow you to do some light gaming. What about AMD?

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>>61169157
>negro superiority
TOPKEK

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>>61169311
>Intel has pretty decent on-board VGA

Haha, good one! Intel's best desktop iGPU barely matches a $60 APU, despite having a far more powerful CPU to work with. Now consider that the 7600K/7700K's iGPU is much less powerful (only a tiny bump over the HD 530 shown there).

Current Ryzen chips don't have an iGPU. You can pick up a used card on eBay for $30 that'll grind a HD 630 into the dust though. Considering that you can save $100 on the motherboard with Ryzen, you have wiggle room for that.

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>>61169396
Please that's my homeland... I live in constant fear. Please don't remind me of what's going on outside my walls

>>61169270
That's one game, do you have a source that shows Ryzen being better over multiple games, like 10-15? I really want to buy into the "8 cores" meme, but if most games just won't use those 8 cores and if Ryzen's worse single-core performance will fuck me over, getting Ryzen would be a stupid decision, right?

hey guys, can I do a dual monitor setup with one monitor connected with HDMI and the other one with DVI?

>>61169797
Yes

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>>61169769
Most sites don't even bother to record 1% and 0.1% lows, so i5 st-st-stutter goes unreported.

And Ryzen's single thread performance is absolutely fine. Unless you only plan to play ARMA 3 or Cemu, there's literally no reason to buy an i5 in current year. Even Intelfriends have given up shilling them and now huddle around a 5GHz 7700K for warmth.

>>61169840
thank you!

need some quiet 120mm case fans, not doing OC or anything so don't really care about perfomance

OK so explain to me one thing quickly about 144Hz monitors - does having one means games that are under 144 FPS will look worse than they would on a 60Hz monitor? Are drops from like 100 to 80 FPS noticeable on those, considering I don't usually have a good eye for that kind of stuff?

New build, first time in a long time. Light desktop duties for a couple years then hopefully upgrade into gaming rig.

G4600 (upgrade to coffee lake when pricing good)
Asus z270-A (should house future components, usb 3.1 gen two is a must)
Whatever 1x8 ddr4 2400 RAM (go up to 2x8 shortly after, 4x8 after that)
EVO 850 ssd 250 gb (will later add RAID 10 hdd for media files, go external for now)
Seasonic g 550 psu
Onboard gpu (get a GPU with upgraded CPU)
DIYPC silence window case

>>61169984
no, it will either look the same or better than a 60hz. I have a 144hZ but can't tell the difference past 60 most of the time, with the possible exception of twitch/reflexive competitive shooters, but it's on the margins of perception

>>61168742
I'm having the same issue

fuck my ups and my shit tier 3rd world country

>>61170091
Good. I mean, if I'm going to play a twitch FPS it's probably going to be CS:GO and that thing isn't too hard to get over a hundred FPS, well most of the time anyway.

It's nice to have a display with a long potential life.

wait so does r1700x come with a cooler or not, I know r1600 does and r1600x doesn't but I heard r1700x does

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>>61170175
South Africa? I'm purchasing a ups soon. Just to be sure my shits protected. How's that ups treating you? You got any advice for me? Good news though my I reset my bios cmo and relocated my ram and everything is up an running now

>>61170300
no, it doesn't come with a cooler

Is it worth upgrading from a 280x to a rx 580 if what I have is an i5 4460?

Friendly reminder that all miners should be hanged.

Atleast I hope the coins lose all its value.

>>61161106
CPU-Z removed a few digits of the score a few days after Ryzen came up and became less precise. I believe that they wanted to make the i5 not look so bad.

>>61170372
Yes.
If you're gaming, absolutely.

>>61170300
It does not. The only R7 with a cooler ATM is the 1700. Still, AMD announced that they'll roll out R7 1700X and 1800X with the Wraith Max cooler bundled in future SKUs. Hopefully soon.

>>61169920
Corsair makes some quiet ones for a decent price. Look for the "quiet edition" they have them in different colors and even LEDs if you're into that.

>>61169769
Future games will defenitely bw optimized for multiple cores/threads. So in the long run it will actually be better than low core count at slightly better single threaded performance.

>>61162913
Stop waging proxy wars and starting profiting on then makes good to your economy! Obama is a man of vision.

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Okay, I can't fucking take it anymore. I hate laptops. I need a real computer that doesn't get hot as fuck, with a small screen and keyboard. I need a desktop. They're so much more comfortable. I'm down to just mobile devices now. I got a few hundred dollars for my laptop.
I'm thinking I'm going to order this.
Let me explain myself.
The 1060-3gb is good at $200, because the 560(i wanted freesync) is $50 less but only half as fast. I wish I could get a 570 but whatever.
I know I'm spending a bit more than i have to on the case but I really like it.
I'm giving up dual channel ram because maybe next month I'll have a $100 to spend on a 120gb ssd and another 8gb stick.
The power supply looks good to me.
The monitor is 75hz(fuck yeah) and 1080p for only $100. I think it's good.
I'm also buying a mechanical keyboard for $30 and a deathadder off ebay for $28.
Am i good to go? I just need a real fucking computer.

Okay, so you shills convinced me to get Ryzen. However, there's a question of 1700 vs 1700x. They're the same CPU, but X is clocked a bit better out of the box, right? How easy is it to OC Ryzen, anyway? I never did any overclocking. Can I do some light OC with the stock 1700 cooler to make it match 1700X performance for lower price? I definitely don't wanna go into water cooling and shit like that, just wanna make it run like the X version, maybe a little better, how easy/safe is that? Or do I need a better cooler?

>>61170581
You can easily match a 1700X on the stock cooler. A 1700 will do 3.7-3.8GHz with it no problem. Overclocking is extremely easy. You literally just need to change two numbers in the BIOS, for the multiplier and core voltage. You can even just use Ryzen Master if you're uncomfortable messing around in the BIOS, though you're better off doing it that way.

>>61170644
Yeah, okay, seems like 1700 is best value then. I'm going to try building around it. The part about having to have at least some VGA is kind of annoying, though. Assuming I don't want to buy used, what's the cheapest thing I can get to plug my PCIe slot with until prices hopefully become less stupid? A thing that will work okay in low intensity tasks.

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>>61169920
Coolermaster have a cheap 4x120mm kit that runs at 1200rpm, it is a slow speed for the size so they are very quiet, nice for case airflow. They use Fan header connectors so if you're thinking in using molex you will need adapters.

>>61169984
They will not. What can happen is you feel microstutters or screen tearing when FPS drops, but it also happens on 60Hz monitors. Thing is, 144Hz is much more responsive and pleasant to the sight wich will make you a little dizzy if you go back to 60Hz.

>>61170684
The best thing to do is see what's available cheap on eBay. Mid-range GTX 400/500 and Radeon HD 7000 series cards tend to go pretty cheap and still offer competent performance. For reference, a GTX 570 or HD 7790 is pretty much identical to a 750 Ti in raw performance terms.

If you're buying something real cheap brand new, it's going to be a GT 710 or similar, which really can't do much except drive a monitor.

>>61170746
I have my eyes on AOC Gaming AG322QCX. 1440p, 144Hz, VA matrix, 4ms reaction time and a really nice price. The price makes me wonder though, is there some kind of a catch?

>>61170765
>eBay
I'm not American, so that's pretty limiting because I don't want to pay for shipping, obviously. I can look at local used market, I guess.

>>61170715
sounds perfect, thanks

>>61170787
VA's catch is ugly contrast shift when you're not sitting dead centre in front of them. All panel technologies have downsides though.

>>61171007
Well I plan to cit in front of it. And yeah, I'm aware that no panel is perfect. I'd buy cheaper TN but I want those shiny colors for immersive gayman.

>>61171024
Colour on newer TN panels is fine unless you're specifically doing colour work desu. I tested a 27" 4K TN panel a while back and though it looked great during gaming, even as somebody who uses an IPS panel usually. Still got those inherently garbage viewing angles though.

>>61171007
OLED and Plasma have none

>>61171068
Both have burn in problems.

>>61171068
Image retention and not existing are both flaws.

>>61170478
How badly will an i5 4400 bottleneck the rx580?

>>61170478
Oh yeah I've also got a 1 8gb 1333mhz. Don't wanna buy a new one till I get a new mobo because DDR support>>61171132

>>61171074
>>61171076
IR is a meme and easily circumvent-able.
As far as non existing it's entirely due to normies being too dumb to appreciate the superior tech.

2013's Plasma PQ is unrivaled to this day with the partial exception of some OLEDs.

>>61171189
>IR is a meme and easily circumvent-able

It absolutely isn't for a PC monitor, where you're likely to have a lot of static elements on-screen for a long time during desktop usage. Sure, if you want to buy one as a dedicated gay men screen, go nuts. But there's a reason why plasma computer monitors were never a thing, and OLED ones still aren't (well, aside from cost).

>>61171218
t.PictureQualitylet

>>61171667
What are you even trying to argue? OLED and plasma PC monitors aren't a thing. You can't buy one. Are you saying that people should be buying a thing which doesn't exist? What is wrong with you?

>>61171687
PQlet, I was responding to this oregano:
>All panel technologies have downsides though.

No need to be this bitter.

>>61171165
If anyone could help out, thinking of upgrading to a 7700k or ryzen system.

Should I go for a Ryzen even if don't plan to do any gaming? I was thinking of going for an i5 and use its integrated graphics, I know Ryzen cpus are better for their price but I would have to buy a GPU which would make the build more expensive, so I don't know if it's going to be worth it, or if I'll regret not going for the Ryzen instead.

>>61172014
Even if you have to spend an extra $50 on a GPU, Ryzen still offers better price/performance in anything you'd need an i5 for. So if you need good multi-threaded performance, get Ryzen. If you don't, well, anything better than Pentium would be kind of a waste.

No.

Serious Question Which AMD Processor Is Best For These Games?
Arma 3/DayZ, Skyrim, Elite Dangerous, H1Z1, Rust, Ark, Cities:Skylines, and GTA 5?

>>61173248
>Arma 3/DayZ, Skyrim, Elite Dangerous, H1Z1, Rust, Ark, Cities:Skylines, and GTA 5?
i7 7700k

>>61172014
lol yeah, get a r3 if you won't do any gaming or r5 if you plan to do gaming-related tasks in the future

>>61173248
I would say none since they all relly on high IPC and don't scale well on multithreading (GTA V is the exception but still having higher IPC have a huge impact)

>>61173333
>they all relly on high IPC
they all rely on high Single Thread perf, not high IPC

Hey guys i nees advice

So i have two pre installed fans in my case and i can either attach them to the motherboard or PSU. I know the motherboard controls them so they arent loud but i guess since the psu uses them at 100% that means that my temps are lower right? Which one would you suggest? Which method do you use?

>>61173333
>I would say none
>they all rely on high Single Thread perf
AMD Are All Unlocked Processors, So What FPS Should I Expect At 4.0Ghz With These Games?

>>61173424
Meant To Ask This At You As Well.
>>61173397
>AMD Are All Unlocked Processors, So What FPS Should I Expect At 4.0Ghz With These Games?

>>61173424
Probably about 10% less average FPS versus Kaby Lakes at 4.5GHz, but more than 40% for minimum FPS (0.1% and 1%) for all Ryzen 5/7s versus a 7600K, 15% or less for Ryzen 5 1600/X versus a 7700K, and 20% or less for Ryzen 7 1700/1800X versus a 7700K.

tl;dr - All Ryzens at 4.0GHz will have lower FPS than moderately OC'd Kaby Lakes. 7600K will "stutter" more than both versions of Ryzen 5, and the 7700K will have less stable minimum FPS than the 1600/X and 1700/1800X.

>>61173799
Where To View Benchmarks For My Games With AMD R5 1600 Overclock?
I Like To Buy Before Monday.

>>61173851
Stop Typing Like This
You can fucking find comparison videos between the 1600X and the 7600K on Youtube

>>61174001
But They Are All Bad. Do You Know Professional Benchmarks With AMD CPUS