/wt/ watch thread

>>61124785
first for 00/57

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First for rich guys wearing sensible watches.

First for people who have 5%+ of their net worth tied up in a watch being foolish

>>61124785
>using watches on 2017
l o l

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I don't care what you guys think, I've fallen in love with this watch.

>>61124858
very classy with the gold clasp leather band

>>61124858
i hope you are over 45

>>61124658
>What's odd is a $100,000 solid gold tribulon (however you spell it) is literally a worse watch in every way than a digital
1) not talking about 100k watches
2) define worse, because according to this logic any quartz is "better" than any mechanical watch.

>it's like you thinking they are weird for not riding horses
No, it's like me thinking they are weird for driving a 1999 Honda accords as their only car despite being rich af.

>>61124684
>the watch he wears does not look fancy, it looks like a casio quartz lcd
Then it's not so much a shitter as it is a cheap digital watch.
Shitters tend to want to look fancy without actually being fancy.

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>>61124824
>Submariner over Seamaster
>choosing to be inferior

>>61124785
a solid gold speedy is tacky as hell op

no need to guild the lily

>>61124892
>2) define worse, because according to this logic any quartz is "better" than any mechanical watch.
makes it pretty easy to define then does it not?
>>61124892
>Then it's not so much a shitter as it is a cheap digital watch.
It's a $150 LCD watch, it looks perfectly fine.

he does drive an all wheel drive Porsche Turbo 911 though

>>61124897
In the Ian Flemming books it says bond wore a rolex

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>>61124890
lol I'm 21

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First for best solar with yellow windy knob stripe

>>61124970
yeah well Ian Flemming is dead faggot get with the times

What's the niggest watch I can get? All my friends got diamond rolexes and AP's and hublows, I'd get a PP but they all look really plain.

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>>61124890
why is that?

is there fact in your statement or matter of oipinion?

>>61124993
>yeah well Ian Flemming is dead faggot get with the times
logic

the omega is a less robust watch that is more expensive to service and more finicky

if bond were up with the times he would wear some kind of quartz with a back up phone in it, let's be real. Professionals don't wear mechanicals anymore

>>61124945
>makes it pretty easy to define then does it not?
If timekeeping performance is all that matters, then a 2$ egg timer is "better" than a Dufour Simplicité.

>It's a $150 LCD watch, it looks perfectly fine.
ok?

>he does drive an all wheel drive Porsche Turbo 911 though
Makes sense if you're rich.
Same reason wearing a nice watch makes more sense if you're rich than wearing a shitter.

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>>61124909
>tacky as hell

how do you come to that conclusion?

Anyone who doesn't live on the coasts of United States needs to be banned from posting, they have convoluted sense of socioeconomic values and principles.

>>61125018
>>61124972

Solid gold watches or gold plated watches are kind of tacky on a young man anon

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>komanderskie is out for delivery with the postman

>>61125040
I would disagree with that statement, I know many people who work out in the bush for months at a time. Literally hundreds of clicks from any sort of infrastructure. I know for a fact that they value automatic watches very highly.

>>61125048
>If timekeeping performance is all that matters, then a 2$ egg timer is "better" than a Dufour Simplicité.

no it's not, you can't easily wear it, it does not have a light for the night and it does not display the date or otherwise function well as a watch

a casio is fine though

if you want a rolly then by all means go buy one, I am just saying it is not unusual in the least to see millionaires walking around with sub 200$ watches that's all

you said it was odd, it's not

>>61125085
what is your reasoning for that statement? honestly curious as to why people believe this.

>>61125118
>no it's not, you can't easily wear it, it does not have a light for the night and it does not display the date or otherwise function well as a watch
How are wearability, nighttime visibility, and date function related to timekeeping?

>you said it was odd, it's not
Yes it is.

>>61125048
>Same reason wearing a nice watch makes more sense if you're rich than wearing a shitter.

If you don't like keeping your watch wound and setting it if you don't wear it for a day and a half and you don't give a fuck what anyone thinks, some quartz watch literally makes more sense. A rolex is basically 1940-50s tech anon

>>61125136
>what is your reasoning for that statement? honestly curious as to why people believe this.
Why does it look tacky to wear a diamond studded watch with ruby markers?

it just does

>>61125146
>>you said it was odd, it's not
>Yes it is.

It might be odd in your mind as in "i think that is odd" but it's not odd in the sense that lots of rich guys literally don't wear expensive watches and it's not unusual to see them wearing cheap sensible watches (sub $5000 shitters)

I know a bunch of millionaires brah, im not wrong

>>61125150
>>61125188
I'm talking about rich people wearing shitters; i.e. cheap shit watches that try to look like nice watches.

In general, it makes little sense to choose the cheaper option if money is not an object for you.

>>61125161
i'd dare say that >>61124858 is equivalent to the hyperbolic watch you described.

While I would agree that what you described is quite tacky, I would very much disagree with the broad statement that all gold watches on people younger than 45 years of age is tacky, unless you give me a reason to think otherwise that is.

>>61125217
>I'm talking about rich people wearing shitters; i.e. cheap shit watches that try to look like nice watches.
rich people don't do that, they buy sensible good looking watches
>>61125217
>In general, it makes little sense to choose the cheaper option if money is not an object for you.

If money were no object, a $15,000 mechanical is simply more of a hassle than a solar casio

the watches are not equal, the 15k watch might get you mugged or at least annoyed when you have to keep setting it, it's a worse tool in every way and provides no benefit to the non hobbyist.

>>61125229
>While I would agree that what you described is quite tacky, I would very much disagree with the broad statement that all gold watches on people younger than 45 years of age is tacky, unless you give me a reason to think otherwise that is.

A seiko meant to look like it is made of solid gold? I mean why. it does not look very good, we know it's not real gold, stainless was fine for neil armstrong and james bond

if you are going solid gold might as well throw some rubys on there too

>>61125260
>rich people don't do that
They do, but it's odd.

>If money were no object, a $15,000 mechanical is simply more of a hassle than a solar casio
Again, nothing wrong with wearing a cheap digital watch that looks like a cheap digital watch. Even if you're rich.

When rich people start wearing $ 300 automatic Tissot shitters, that's when it gets odd.

>>61125077
>how do you come to that conclusion?
>Anyone who doesn't live on the coasts of United States needs to be banned from posting, they have convoluted sense of socioeconomic values and principles.

Would you think a gold plated gull wing Mercedes looked good??

>>61125312
>When rich people start wearing $ 300 automatic Tissot shitters, that's when it gets odd.

i will agree with you there but i have never seen this happen

>>61125312
among the richfags I know the most popular thing are those fucking fitness trackers, and talking about how many steps they take in a day

>>61125319
of course not, how would that even be comparable to a gold watch?

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>>61125351
>of course not, how would that even be comparable to a gold watch?
because the speedy is a tool watch that was meant to be stainless and go to the mooooon

it's like gold plating an HK MP5, it's silly

>>61125363
fairly well made but too many INVICTA logos all over it

and a subby knockoff

i haven't worn my terrorist watch since the resin hook broke and i put my mums faggy leather womens watch strap on it. is there an alternative to nato straps for the f91-w? sounds like a pain in the arse looking for the bits to attach to the watch.
of course i could buy another f91w but i bet the same thing will break in the same place again

>>61125335
I've seen it once, it was a present from his wife

>>61125466
bitches man

>>61125335
I've seen it plenty.

One richfag never wore his watch when I first met him, but then he noticed my seiko and suddenly he started wearing some generic Quartz with shiny metal case and shiny bezel.
Probably cost even less than my SARB.

>>61125612
>One richfag never wore his watch when I first met him, but then he noticed my seiko and suddenly he started wearing some generic Quartz with shiny metal case and shiny bezel.
>Probably cost even less than my SARB.

that seiko really put him in his place

>>61125640
He probably thought he was one-upping me.

>>61125658
As someone who is not rich but is fairly well off I can tell you that I could not care less what any other man wears as a watch and it would never occur to me to see someone else wearing a watch and for me to then wear something other than what I wanted to.

I just don't think that way, and I don't think most of the people who are much more well off than me think that way either (at least the ones who worked for their money)

>>61125734
Gotta be honest, I know a few people who wear literal fashion watches, and to me it does tend to influence my view of them.

But then I met a guy wearing a speedmaster (my grail at the time) who was a gigantic fucking douche riding on the coattails of his wife's success, and now I don't know what to think anymore.

>>61125348
>among the richfags I know the most popular thing are those fucking fitness trackers, and talking about how many steps they take in a day

oh god this

>>61125800
You just have to learn to do what you want anon.

I personally want an Atmos air pressure clock because reasons.

I am sure some dbag out there wants one too but i can't let that bother me. I work out at Gold's gym, you should see how many dbags go there.

not my problem, they have the only proper squat racks in town

>>61125363
I ordered a few to check out first two were really good.. third one has misaligned bezel and cyclops. The new ones are also too difficult to mod as the bezel is harder to get off and the cyclops is fused very strongly to the main crystal. Not worth the effort to mod. If you keep buying the pro diver on amazon until you get a good one and don't mind the branding it should be a very good watch for your money.

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why do they even make other watches?

>>61126799
same filename same guy every single time. No one likes your quartz watch friend.

>>61125426
they are $9

how long did it last?

is +10 sec a day on a seiko sport 5 baby monster reasonable?

>>61126926
must have lasted about 6 months. not really keen on wasting money on another watch

>>61126881
it will grow on you :^)

>>61126940
>must have lasted about 6 months. not really keen on wasting money on another watch

Casio is good on their warranties, send it to them and they will no doubt send you a new one for free, should have a year warranty on it

just went to look up straps for you on ebay but casio straps are $7 and the watch is $9

kek of all keks

>>61126987
i bought it off ebay from some random seller but i'll try your advice anyway. british btw

>>61127016
>i bought it off ebay from some random seller but i'll try your advice anyway. british btw
good then you have a record of you purchasing it. That counts as a receipt, print out the paypal transaction and ebay auction number.

they have a 24 month warranty and are good about honoring them

http://www.casio.co.uk/support/servicing-and-repairs/

>>61126933
It's fine. If that's normal during the day for you see if there's a position you can set it at during the night that causes it to lose some time.

>>61127098
haha just remembered i binned the strap. should i try sending it to them anyway

>>61127158
I would send it anyway and just explain you were going to buy a new strap but they were to expensive. they will understand, hell man you might be able to just call them, i bet there is a 50/50 chance they will just send you a dang strap

Citizen once sent me 3 free watch links when I called and told them i bought a used one and the previous owner lost the extras, i had my wallet out and everything but they just wanted my addresss

>>61126933
that seems kinda pretty bad to me

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What does /wt/ think of the Timex Scout Chronograph? My girlfriend is looking to buy one as a gift for her uncle in China, doesn't want to spend too much money but does want to replace whatever cheap shit watch he has now with something better. I used to have a Weekender as my cheap shit quartz and I was pretty happy with it until I ruined it taking a swim (I thought it was resistant to 50 metres but it turns out it was only 30m)

If she had given me more notice I would have been able to order a Seiko quartz chronograph off the internet somewhere but she leaves in a week and a half, which pretty much limits me to shops.

I ordered Ray Raven II today, did I make a good choice?

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How long should I wait before tell a watchmaker to fuck off and send me my watch back because he's taking way to fucking long with an estimate?

>>61128266
what would you use the chronograph functions for?

>>61128414
>How long should I wait before tell a watchmaker to fuck off and send me my watch back because he's taking way to fucking long with an estimate?
I dunno man watchmakers are a notoriously surly bunch, the weirder the thing you want done and the better the guy is the longer he's going to sit on it just because he can.

how long has he had it and what are you having done?

>>61128461
It's not for me, as I said it is a gift for someone I never met, someone who thinks the chronograph looks cool.

>>61128630
Well how much are you seeing them for, like $60?

you ain't going to find a chrono worth having for less than that

seiko has a nice steelcase solar one that's about $160

>>61128266
>If she had given me more notice I would have been able to order a Seiko quartz chronograph off the internet somewhere but she leaves in a week and a half, which pretty much limits me to shops.
nah man a week and half is forever, you can get that shit in 3 days

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Who else here /smartwatch/

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>>61128291
Yes

>>61124824
even 1% is pushing it

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>>61126954
ily

>>61128832
Got a red pebble time.

>>61128461
>watchmakers are a notoriously surly bunch, the weirder the thing you want done and the better the guy is the longer he's going to sit on it just because he can
Oh, trust me I know.
>how long has he had it and what are you having done?
Just shy of a month, and an Accutron 214.
A tall order I know. So, I haven't bothered him, but it's an estimate, not the actual work. Just saying.

I'm not usually this impatient, but I've been trying to get this specific watch serviced for maybe a year. The last guy who had it kept throwing me for a loop for like 5-6 months. And before that I was just trying to find people that have actually worked on them before.

>>61128266
>uncle in china
>china

for the price of a speedmaster she could get him a fake rolex, fake iphone, and fake bmw.

>>61128986
Sucks pebble is dead, but it's great that they're still being sold open amazon/e-bay. Any other smart watches that are not shit tier?

>>61128414
Lmao is it the one from the anon in this thread?

>>61129015
Gotta be more specific.

>>61129015
You asked someone to tell their watch maker boss to look at it ?

>>61129015
>>61129048
Oh yeah that's me. Talked with anon's boss a few times on the phone, knows his shit and is pretty chatty kek. Seems like a good enough guy.
If either are you are said anon, you end up getting a finders referral?

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>>61125800
>>61125658
>>61125612
>living his life and making decisions based off other people, not himself
Are you sure you aren't a tranny? Sounds like you have the mentality of a woman.

In all serious, be your own man. Live your life on your own terms.

>tfw breaking a sweat thinking I'm the douche with the speedy

I have a question: do you people take your watch off when you sleep?

>>61129099
Depends on the watch.

>>61129099
Yes

>>61129109
When do you not ?

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>>61129099
Depends who is in bed with me

>>61125087
>TFW Waiting for it to leave russia.

>>61129139
that filename is 9/10

>>61129126
I take off anything vintage or anything with a leather or resin band.

>>61129139
Also, this. Getting hair in a metal band is very easy. And a mood killer. Unless she's into that.

>>61126799
because you're a bigger faggot than all of your gay dads, and your tranny aunt leonard "east german womens tennis clit" peters.

Whats the best cheap and good casual pilot style watch?

>>61129226
SNK80X

>>61128989
my nephew had some great customer service with citizen from his watch he won at a raffle before christmas. the pin broke in it when I took him out , and the watch just fell off his wrist. the pin came out at the case, and the hole was fuckhuge.

he was in tears since it fell and smashed. poor kid had a shit day, but he couldnt hold it together after that. we get to his house, find the box and call them, the lady was really nice to him, and sent him a replacement overnight. it got there before we were ready to bring the old one to the shipping store, with a free ups label.

lil nigga loves that brand now.

>>61128978
manly as fuck.

Nomos Orion (blue hands), Tudor Black Bay, tudor classic or nomos tetra?

>>61129443
Well do you want a completely insipid meme, a diver, an ugly dress watch, or a square insipid meme? I don't even see how any of those watches are related or what you want in a watch, so I'm not sure how to recommend anything else. I guess I would pick the Black Bay if it had to be one of those four.

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>>61129170
thank you, i'm glad at least one person noticed and appreciates

>>61129686
Yea, I like James Bond a lot

Is there any kind of a list out there on which watch manufacturers actually hand-craft a watch? Obviously the "Rolex takes 1 year to build" is total PR nonsense.

But what watches are actually created by hand? I want to aim for one once I have the money.

>>61129903
Roger Smith, Kari Voutilainen, Dufour, etc.

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What's the model name of this Tissot?

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Planning on getting a Nixon Sentry in the matte black/gold colour scheme. Is this a nice watch or are there any better watches that will not go over the £150 mark?

>>61130470
get a seiko diver and save 50 moonrune money

>>61130470
>Fri 13
edgy

>>61125923
>I personally want an Atmos air pressure clock
What the fuck

it's practically a perpetual motion machine! Why don't more companies use this technology?

It could be used to power small electrical devices off the grid forever!

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>>61129201
>because you're a bigger faggot than all of your gay dads
no im not

>>61131020
>>61131092
so what would be the best watch for money if i wanted to spend £150

>>61131215
orient ray

>>61128966
>even 1% is pushing it
>>61124824
>First for rich guys wearing sensible watches.
>First for people who have 5%+ of their net worth tied up in a watch being foolish

I bet there are a fuck load of guys on this board who have several thousand dollars in watches and a net worth under $50,000

like probably half of everyone posting rolexes tudors grand seikos and even more people who have several $500 watches but don't save and live paycheck to paycheck

>>61129099
>I have a question: do you people take your watch off when you sleep?

I have a samsung S3 so when it's not monitoring my sleep cycle it is charging 2 nights a week

^_^

>>61129443
>Nomos Orion (blue hands), Tudor Black Bay, tudor classic or nomos tetra?

dunno, should I buy a pickup truck, a Porsche 911, a limo or a dirtbike?

>>61131242
you think this one would be the best one then?

>>61129903
>Is there any kind of a list out there on which watch manufacturers actually hand-craft a watch? Obviously the "Rolex takes 1 year to build" is total PR nonsense.
It probably does take a year to build but that does not mean it's hand made just that they are slow

There are hand made and even one off watches, the don't tend to be cheap like a rolex though

>>61131215
>so what would be the best watch for money if i wanted to spend £150
Citizen eco drive, seiko skx007 with the rubber strap, Casio waveceptor (fuck everyone), dressy simple seiko solar...shit like that

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>>61124972
>>61125085

Don't listen to these children. They hear some youtuber make a claim like this and since they have no innate sense of style they just parrot it over and over again. If it matches you and your wardrobe then there isn't a problem.

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>mfw my watch finally came in the mail

>>61131244
>I bet there are a fuck load of guys on this board who have several thousand dollars in watches and a net worth under $50,000
reporting in

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>>61131453
This is pretty damn snazzy as far as packaging goes.

>>61131466
Nice 114270. Try and get a close up on the radial brushing of the lugs if you can.

>>61131453
12%+ of your net worth in a watch anon

why

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>>61131466
It's absolutely beautiful, I don't know if I can wear a cheap shitter again.

>>61131466
well the packaging/marketing is what they are selling you. That's the product

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>>61131475
I love it.

>>61131471
I was joking. Also it was a graduation gift, so at this point I have pretty good income but not much net worth. I'm not going to demand my parents give me cash instead of a nice memorable gift if that's what they want to give me, no matter what my 4chan financial advisor recommends me.

>>61131470
Thanks anon

>>61131505
>t my 4chan financial advisor recommends me.
you could pawn it and get cash and invest the cash in cryptocurrencies

>>61131505
>I was joking. Also it was a graduation gift, so at this point I have pretty good income but not much net worth. I'm not going to demand my parents give me cash instead of a nice memorable gift if that's what they want to give me, no matter what my 4chan financial advisor recommends me.

They could have offered to put up that much on a down-payment for a house or for your retirement

but yes this is posted on 4chan so it's bad advice, you should have gotten the gold one

>>61131524
or sell it on ebay, buy a fake to wear around the parents and put it in an IRA and have like $400,000 when you retire

>>61131534
Honestly, anything that's an actual investment is money better spent than on a Rolex.

>>61131568
>Honestly, anything that's an actual investment is money better spent than on a Rolex.
There's a book called "the millionaire next door"

it's a quality read

"i graduated college" is no reason to buy a $5000 trinket you have no real need for when you could invest, save for a home, create an emergency fund or save for your kids college etc...5k can go a long way if you spend it wisely

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>>61131368
Before anyone gets mad i don't only have memewatches. But as sad as it is I hardly wear any of these anymore because of the meme watch functionality.

>>61131663
r u a girl?

>>61131568
I'm not seriously advocating anything as retarded as calling a luxury purchase an "investment" but I will say that, based on this watch's MSRP when it was new in 2001 and what it cost today, it's at least giving a better return than my fucking savings account, not that that's hard to do.

>>61131534
>>61131637
I have a real job with a Roth 401k and everything. Maybe I should also mention that this was paid for out of my college fund since I didn't actually have to pay anything for school.

>>61131637
Yes, I know this book.
>reddit tl:dr
>“We buy things we don't need with money we don't have to impress people we don't like.”

>>61131681
Nah that's my wife's deodorant kek

>>61131697
>I have a real job with a Roth 401k and everything.

that's the minimum you should have anon

>Implying I don't contribute the max to my S&P 500 index fund Roth every year as the bare minimum of what is acceptable

A Rolex explorer (Brand new MSRP) was $3000 in 2001

If you had invested $3000 in the S&P in 2001 it would be worth $9500 now and growing.

you watch is now used and becomes more used every day, it is worth less than MSRP and always will be

Good condition 2001 Rolex Explorers are going for $3500-3750. Taking inflation of 16 years into account that's a loss, not much of an investment

be smart anon

>>61131873
401ks are absolute scams. If you work for someone doing a 401k, you're a fucking cuck wageslave. You're actually better off spending money on watches than on a 401k.

>>61131844
>>“We buy things we don't need with money we don't have to impress people we don't like.”
better to impress some asshole than retire 5 years early that's what i always say

honestly and this is just me, when I see a 22yo with a $5000 watch on, I am not impressed. I just roll my eyes

>>61131901
>401ks are absolute scams. If you work for someone doing a 401k, you're a fucking cuck wageslave.

I wonder why my Roth 401k has hundreds of thousands of dollars in it when I only put in a fraction of that amount

weird

>>61131873
especially when you consider the rolex needed 2 $300 services in that time period

>>61131663
Dat mickey

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I'm liking this watch a lot

>>61131918
Now try taking that money out. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Will you be alive in thirty years? Hopefully. Taxes? I hope you won't be earning less than you are now than when you are 59.5. Price match? Enjoy a .99c decrease in salary for every dollar you put in.

Time value of money.

>>61131466
>114270

nice, I've been considering getting one of those and just wearing it every day for the rest of the decade

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Personal finances aside, why is this so perfect? Why does nobody make 36mm watches anymore, anyway?

>>61132169
That's my plan too. I almost feel bad wearing it every day because whoever had it last must not have worn it much to keep it this pristine for like 16 years. Also, I know that polishing and refinishing watches is generally considered absolutely haram, but I'm impressed with how well they've done it with this watch. I remember back when we had watchmakeranon he posted some pictures of the cases Rolex sent to their school for polishing practice.

>>61127129
Fuck off ninefag

>>61132247
Which model is that? It looks very nice

>>61132388
Read the thread nigga, it's been mentioned multiple times.

>>61132388
Reference is 114270, there's also the older and externally identical 14270. It's the last 36mm Explorer and was produced from 2001 to 2010, mine is a 2001 so it seems to have the older dim Luminova rather than the Superluminova on later ones. It also doesn't have the ugly ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX engraving which was added later.

>>61132647
biggest difference between 14270 and 114270 is SEL for 114270. there may or may not be others.

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>>61132247
Does this babe also in the sport dress category like the datejust?

>>61132748
14270 has the 3000 movement and 114270 has the 3130. Also I think the 14270 has lug holes and some of them may have tritium lume. The 114270 supposedly has an improved bracelet and clasp beyond just the solid endlinks too. It's kind of harder to find the super autistic detailed lists of minor production changes for explorers like you can for subs.

>>61132893
It sort of straddles the line, the dial is glossy with the bright shiny gold indices and hands and it shares the size and silhouette of the 36mm DJs. But then it's also a black dial with arabic numbers and the same hands as the sub instead of the stick hands on the DJ. The case and bracelet are simple and mostly brushed, no shiny polished surfaces like on the dressier models.

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In case anyone cares, preorders for this are up.

>>61133069
The Delfin was nicer looking. Are they seriously shipping a diver with 200m WR on a fucking leather strap without even the option of a bracelet or at least rubber or something?

>>61133130
Rubber was originally planned, but their supplier was being unresponsive or gave them some super long lead time, I forget which. A bracelet would've been nice, but oh well. I'd just slap it on a sailcloth strap instead.

The delfin was also bigger. 43.5mm dia/15mm thick vs 41mm dia/12mm thick.

>>61133130
The Delfin is the best looking dive watch. Their loss.

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thoughts? its like 14 bucks on amazon and i like the design. if anyone has it can you recommend it or not?

>>61133069
Aw shit, that looks really good. Haven't really bought a watch for myself in over a year and earlier today I ordered myself a vostok on fleabay that will arrive in 28-988 business days and now I'm tempted to order this Halios.

>>61132109
>Now try taking that money out. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Will you be alive in thirty years? Hopefully. Taxes
>taxes on profits in a Roth
so you don't know what a Roth IRA is at all do you?

>>61127344
>>61127129


I got it for a gift and im super happy with it, that honestly doesnt seem like a big deal to me just wondered what was the norm for a cheapish mechanical watch.

Think i have the watch bug now though, looking at getting a seiko sea urchin black now and some kind of dress watch in the next six months.

whats a watch that will probably last me a lifetime without servicing? i.e automatics

the more durable the better
budget £200

>>61133767
>whats a watch that will probably last me a lifetime without servicing? i.e automatics
no such thing

will grind to halt

>>61133780
ok lemme rephrase whats a watch that will last as long as possible without servicing and is durable

>>61129099

I take everything off, except my socks. EVERYTHING.

>>61133786
gshock.

>>61133786
>ok lemme rephrase whats a watch that will last as long as possible without servicing and is durable

An analog quartz watch can last 20 years with a few simple $3 battery changes and no service to the movement.

If you get a mechanical watch and run it as long as you can you will destroy the movement. So you should get a cheap one.No point in fucking up a $500 movement. A seiko 5 will probably keep good time for up to 7-10 years without a service.

>>61129093
Everyone bases their decisions on other people.
Even people who decide to become hermits do so specifically to avoid other people.

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is this a good deal?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seiko-Mens-Skx009K2-Divers-Analog-Japanees-Quartz-Automatic-Stainless-New/112294142053

>>61134221
Not a chance. It's $189 on jomashop.

>>61134234
The ones on jomashop are not quartz

this is a very rare watch anon

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>>61133069
First thing that came to mind is the shutter ring of my old Agfa Isolette camera.

How much is it anyway?
Without evn googling it, it seems like te usual "deal", a "microbrand" putting bottom barrel 2824's in chinese cases with a wafer thin saphire and charging 500$.

>>61131244
>I bet there are a fuck load of guys on this board who have several thousand dollars in watches and a net worth under $50,000

(everything in Euros)

- cash: 20k
- house capital paid off: 35k
- car resale value paid off: 10k
- retirement savings: 12k

So 77k net. But then I'm in mainland Europe, and we get RRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAPED on taxes.

I'd buy a 4k watch in a heartbeat if I was sure I could write it off as a business expense.

>>61134412
Why would anyone let you write of a luxury mechanical wristwatch as a business expense

There is a lot of stupid shit i would buy if I could write it off as a business expense. I think I stand a better chance of writing off my 8gb video card battlestation than a watch and that would be a hell of a stretch, and I'm a programmer

>>61134345
It's 675 with a rotating bezel, 650 with a fixed bezel. Has a miyota 90S5 in it. It's a bit overpriced, but that describes most watches.

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>>61134441
If you own a lifestyle business.

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Honestly you should only buy a multi thousand dollar wrist watch to celebrate paying off your house or because you have met your retirement goals and know you won't have to worry about money when you are old.

or if you are filthy rich (which covers the other things anyway i guess)

if you are remotely a middle class guy in your 20s or 30s there is no way to justify that purchase

>>61134470
>If you own a lifestyle business.
don't know the laws in your country but i would make sure with an accountant or lawyer first

>>61134441

Its europe. Our taxation is retarded. Atleast in sweden you can write off anything but if they investigate you, you have to show what it is you are writing off and proove its for your business

>>61134553
>Its europe. Our taxation is retarded. Atleast in sweden you can write off anything but if they investigate you, you have to show what it is you are writing off and proove its for your business
That's the way it is in the USA too, but if you get really outrageous about it they call it "tax fraud"

my dad got a good job in the 80s but he had to wear a suit to work every day, the IRS audited him over that and made an issue over it.

my dad won in arbitration but it cost him more than it was worth by the time he got representation

so yeah i could write off a rolex, unless they caught me

I write off half my internet bill, half my cell phone bill, the mileage to and from work at so many cents per mile and my laptop that i only use for work, I work from home so I also write off 200sq ft of my rent payment for a home office

never had a problem

>>61134441
>Why would anyone let you write of a luxury mechanical wristwatch as a business expense
Like I said, "if".
There are possible ways though. In my particular business, a nice fountain pen is 100% a business expense.
So if you find a luxury store that's willing, they could enter the amount for the watch as a fountain pen on the invoice.
That's one way.

>>61134613
Can you point me to the law that requires me to pay income tax?

>>61134675
>Can you point me to the law that requires me to pay income tax?
oh god the sovereign citizens are here.

long story short, if you have a real job and make real money and don't pay taxes for a long enough time they can put you in prison and take your valuables to pay the debt.

the ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment on February 25, 1913, 26 U.S.C. § 1 imposes tax on taxable income, 26 U.S.C. § 63 defines taxable income as gross income minus allowed deductions, 26 U.S.C. § 61 defines gross income as all income from whatever source derived, and 26 U.S.C. § 6012 requires the filing of returns by every individual with gross income for the year (with some exceptions). Dozens of cases have upheld the federal government’s power to collect income taxes against just about every argument.

>>61134670
>So if you find a luxury store that's willing, they could enter the amount for the watch as a fountain pen on the invoice.
That's straight up premeditated tax fraud and conspiracy.

I could have someone say they are selling me a server when it's really a rolex but that does not make it legal

>>61134745
I live in a country with a long and proud tradition of such "fraud".
Our taxation system practically makes such dealings necessary.

>>61134762
oh well carry on then

our laws vary like crazy state to state, i have no idea how it is in euroville

>>61134412
I should probably add my godlike baritone to my net worth.
That alone is worth at least a few million.

>>61134853
But what is your net debt? How much do you owe on your house and how much do you have to save for retirement before you can stop working?

>>61134887
>How much do you owe on your house
630k

You don't just deduct the outstanding mortgage from your net worth though.

The house has been appraised twice at 745k (by a bank appraiser and by a real estate agent), so actually I should be adding the difference in my favor (115k) to my net worth.

I didn't do that, and only added the amount of capital I paid off to my net worth. Just to be safe.

>>61133481
I have an F-91W in black. It's a perfectly fine watch and has the features you can expect from a digital Casio. Only things I'd say are:
>might be a little small if you have thick wrists
>the bracelet is kinda flimsy but you can always replace it cheaply

>>61134943
>You don't just deduct the outstanding mortgage from your net worth though.
obviously

im just saying though, even if you sold the house and cashed out the equity you have to find someplace to live

>>61134988
>>the bracelet is kinda flimsy but you can always replace it cheaply
tfw your bracelet is worth 50% more than the watch

>>61135079
Sure.
And if I buy a smaller house, that equity becomes pocket money. Which I would then have to invest in, say, real estate.

>>61135089
Not sure what kind of house you are going to buy for significantly less than 35k (or even 115k depending on where you live) so you can pocket the difference

>>61135137
I was assuming I was going to take out a mortgage again, of course.
That's why the equity is added to your net worth, because it's a net plus. That's what I was expressing.

>>61135165
>I was assuming I was going to take out a mortgage again, of course.
well then just don't move and take out a second mortgage

The thing I am trying to say is let's say you have $200,000 but you know you will need 1,500,000 if you want to retire at 59

one way to look at it is that you are 1.3 million in the hole, I try to look at it this way so I don't make frivolous purchases because I have a checking account with a significant chunk of spendable cash in it

>>61135210
When I retire my house will be paid off.
So I'll sell the house and move into a convenient apartment.
The house is worth around 745k now, but there's a lot of land in a prime location so the appreciation will be significant.

The house is basically my retirement fund. On top of my other retirement fund which now has 12k in it. And on top of my other savings (20k atm).

What's your retirement plan atm? Always good to compare.

>I have a checking account with a significant chunk of spendable cash in it
What part of the world are you in, and what do you deem a "significant chunk of spendable cash"?

>>61135257
>What's your retirement plan atm? Always good to compare.
I have basically everything in an S&P 500 index fund. If bonds ever go back above 6% I will buy some gvt bonds. I am also part owner of a business that is doing well. I have some gold and silver but not much.

I rent a cheapish apartment because I live alone and property taxes are high here, i also don't want the upkeep on a house.

I would consider $10,000 in a checking account a tempting chunk of cash to piss away given I have no real obligations (no family or kids)

in the USA you are on your own for retirement, if you don't want to eat cat food you have to have money, social security literally leaves you in poverty

>>61135298
Real estate is a pretty sound investment for the future, and the advantage is you get to enjoy your money before your retirement.

>upkeep
This was a concern for me too, and my last house was horrible in this regard.
House I bought now is fancy af, and everything from interior to garden is in top shape, so "upkeep" has a whole new meaning.

Have to say, I wouldn't be this optimistic about real estate if I hadn't been doing great deals. I sold my old house for a solid profit and bought my new house at a massive discount, but the whole buying and selling process is still nerve wracking at times.

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Is tropical dial easy to patina? Also why everything that have the word tropical dial in it so fucking expensive?

>>61135457
>Real estate is a pretty sound investment for the future, and the advantage is you get to enjoy your money before your retirement.
I don't necessarily disagree but it's not all upside. However there is an old saying here "you can't live in a t-bond"

I don't know how old you are but you have a pretty expensive property with not much equity. What are your property taxes? If it's your retirement nest egg you have to think "well what if i have to replace the roof in 25 years"

If you are in a unique situation where you got a great deal then it could be a wise way to plan for retirement. But if you keep a log of every penny you spend on upkeep and taxes and the total interest you pay on the mortgage over the decades, then adjust the final selling price for inflation and add in all those items it's hard to say.

In my personal view the average person cannot really own property, you can only rent it. You are paying the bank some percentage of half a million dollars per year to live there, and you have to pay taxes to the goverment forever or they come and take your property. Can you really say you "own" something if you have to write the government a check every year to keep them from taking it from you?

however it could be worth 3mil by the time you retire and you could make out like a bandit, who knows

I plan to slowly move the money I have in stocks to less volatile and less risky things as i get older. Someday I want to have enough money to retire, in liquid low risk assets before i actually retire, that's my goal

certainly investing in a nice property is smarter than the american mentality of "buy shit you can't afford and pay for it forever"

>>61130272
Tissot Classic Dream Watch

>>61132089
Looks great, very clean

>>61135813
>you have a pretty expensive property with not much equity
About 14% equity on a house I literally just bought.

>What are your property taxes?
750 per year. Part of which is deductible.

>you have to pay taxes to the goverment forever or they come and take your property. Can you really say you "own" something if you have to write the government a check every year to keep them from taking it from you?
Oh I agree with you there. It's plain robbery to make people pay rent on something they bought.
Only reason this shit flies is because it's the government.

>keep a log of every penny you spend on upkeep and taxes and the total interest you pay on the mortgage over the decades
Did that with my previous house, and I pretty much earned back the capital I paid into it after accounting for interest and notary fees and such.

Big part of why I bought this house is because it's 50% deductible with office spaces, warehouse, storage rooms, ...
In my work, I have zero business expenses other than car, computer, house. So maximizing the housing expenses made the most sense to me.
My proportional overhead is now about the same as for a small independent store, but in my case it's all going to my house instead of stock and supplies.

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>>61131181
>>61125923


fucking magic in a box

could this be scaled down to wristwatch size?

>>61125923
>I personally want an Atmos air pressure clock because reasons.
You have splendid tastes, anon. The Atmos is truly elegant, a clever design, a mesmerising movement and a sure fire conversation piece. This from my own experience.

>>61135981
>>keep a log of every penny you spend on upkeep and taxes and the total interest you pay on the mortgage over the decades
>Did that with my previous house, and I pretty much earned back the capital I paid into it after accounting for interest and notary fees and such.

but how long did you own it? 600k over 30 years at even low 3.something percent interest is like a million bucks just in interest. So if you sell it for 1.75 mil in 30 years you will have lost a lot of money due to inflation and spending the million bucks on interest. Then there's property insurance over 30 years....

sounds like you have it figured out though, but some famous financial guy once said "homes are the main investment of most people because it forces them to save (spend money on the house) when they otherwise would not"

If i came across the opportunity I might do the same thing. Maxing out my Roth and paying off my student loans and investing in the company I am partners in is taking up all my loose cash now.

I almost bought a duplex 2 years ago and rented half of it out, I had it figured that I would basically be living for free (and mowing the lawn)

should have done that

>>61136081
running on air pressure fluctuation is cheating and fucked up in general.

also why are they so expensive i want one now, maybe someone could make a version powers a quartz movement for cost reduction

>>61136099
>but how long did you own it?
5 years.

>600k over 30 years at even low 3.something percent interest is like a million bucks just in interest
I think you miscalculated something there.
At my rate of 2.1%, after 25 years my total interest paid will be around 180k on a 630k loan.

>>61136187
wow 2.1 is insane, i have never heard of a rate like that on a 30 year in the USA

i would jump all over that, inflation is 2.5% on average, the bank is losing money on that deal

Average 30 year fixed rate today in the USA is over 4.5%

fml

>>61136209
>>61136249
It's 25 years in my case, but yes I got a pretty damn good deal indeed
In the end I had two major banks battling it out to reel in the account.
But I did hear that mortgage interest rates in the US and places like Australia are insane, and fixed rates uncommon or unavailable.

How did you end up with over a million in interest though, even at 3% over 30 years?

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>so many things to do
>wont be able to work on anything for 2 months
:^(

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>>61136452
>Poljot
There're a fuck ton of those here in my country, people really like them for some reason, not really my style

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Final dial and case from Maison Celadon's new diver.

>>61136317
I was looking at a site that had US rates at default and it said 1.2 mil but that was total, so 600k in interest an 600k in principal my mistake, but rates were at one time 8% or more so I am used to seeing high numbers in total overall interest payments

>>61136124
Ther are pretty cheap ones from the 70s on eBay

>>61136907
>Ther are pretty cheap ones from the 70s on eBay

gotta watch out for a cheap atmos, there is a lot to go wrong there and repairs are expensive

>>61136640
Pretty neat. I have a soft spot for hard angular cases.

>>61136942
Me too, but I wish they'd done more with the bezel.

>>61135910
>>61130272

Thanks. At first I thought you're kidding me, but hell, this silly sequence of words actually is its name. What I was looking for though was the whateveryoucallit, which is T033.410.16.013.01 for this white dial, black roman numerals version.

Could you guys share me your thoughts on Tissot's brand image?
In what does it, and Tissot's clientele, differ from other swiss made watches in the 200 - 300 EUR range, if it does at all?

Any significant reason not to get a silicone watchstrap?

>>61136647
That explains it.

At any rate, real estate can be risky and daunting stuff, and I wouldn't have tried to do what I did if I wasn't in desperate need of a sensible business expense.

Another benefit to buying this house at this time is that there is inheritance bullshit coming in the near future from multiple fronts, and now nobody can say I bought this place thanks to any inheritance.

>>61137075
Tissot's brand image is "cheap bland watches for more than what they should cost for people who just want something mostly inoffensive that says Swiss on the dial". They're mostly not bad but most of them aren't good either and I've never seen a Tissot that didn't have a better alternative from another brand for around the same price.

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FARTIE BALD PANTY SHIELD THE TURD

>>61137130
Gotta be honest, used to loathe this guy but I find him irresistible now, and I binge on his videos.

It's a very interesting combination of depression, mania, squalor, repulsiveness, helplessness, idiocy, life experience, loudness, knowledgeability, repetitiveness, inebriation, ...

He's a walking talking meme.

>>61131475
>61131475
FUARRRKKK BEST ROLEX

>>61132247
36mm is perfection. God damn it congratulations man.

>>61137103
Bonetto Cinturini doesn't make silicone straps

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Done. Now I own both a Daini and a Suwa 5Actus, both from 1975. Dial is interesting, it's a tiny bit pinkish under certain light.

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This is the Suwa.

>>61137120
>something mostly inoffensive that says Swiss on the dial
Oh, that's a positive trait.
In what sense are they "not good" in your opinion, and what would be the "better" alternatives for things like the Classic Dream, Everytime Nato, no-digits Everytime or the most minimalist Tradition (T0636101603700, T0636101605200) ?

And another stupid question - what do I look for to tell a fake Panerai apart from a real one? There's a used Radiomir Black Seal sitting in a pawn shop in my town for 300 EUR, which seems laughable for a real one and waaay overpriced for a fake. Are fakes obvious in their finish to the naked eye, or are there some that only an expert can tell the difference visually?

>>61137367
>T0636101603700, T0636101605200
No way all these digits are necessary for a watches reference number.

>>61137397
I'm sure some brands have even more

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What do you think about the new Steinhart? Personally I would buy the shit out of it if it came in a smaller size

>>61137559
A fake Rolex with non-existent QC?
It's a nope from me.

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Good morning /wt/.

>>61125085
This is like 2008 Esquire teir advice

>>61137559
>unidirectional rotating diving bezel

>>61137954
Apparently "homages" are nothing new, do you have any idea around which year this ad was released?

>>61128832
People think my G757 is an apple watch with a skin, does that count?

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Fuck me dead i think i just found my dress watch grail.
>$6k+
Fuck you

>>61138361
I saw it in the paper this morning.

>>61138365
1. Ehh.
2. Just save up nigga. Might take a few years, but so what?

>>61138361
That ad looks so old but I just did a quick Google and saw them for sale online.

>>61138365
Ask your /wt/ financial advisors if they authorize such an expensive purchase.

>>61138349
I bet it doesn't even have a proper GMT hand either, then.

>>61138365
buy it anon, you deserve it!

>that thing is ugly

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>>61137367
>what do I look for to tell a fake Panerai apart from a real one?
aaanyone?

>>61139306
the price

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Can /wt/ ID this watch?

>>61139338
Literally .5 seconds of googling and i even spelled the name wrong

http://www.timex.com/browse/collections/waterbury/

>>61139338
That's the redwing Timex crossover watch.

>>61139306
You can't. That sounds like a joke but it's actually true. They make everything with machines, which the Chinks can do too.

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>>61139444
So the fakes are the exact same (aside from QC issues I expect)?

Kek.

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>>61139486
The fakes will have plain unfinished movements with non-Incabloc shock springs.

No, wait...

>>61139338
°_°

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>>61139332
Not funny.
See it's eastern europe, i.e. a place where there is demand for shiny, gaudy fake things, and at the same time virtually no market for legit used high end stuff. I see pawnshops here selling Rados for a few hundred euros on regular basis, not sure if all but I guess some of those could be genuine. Another pawnshop has pic related for 35 euros, which is like one tenth of its retail price, ok it has some scratches, but anyway. Another one sells the Tissot Classic Dream I posted above, new and boxed, for about half its retail price. I guess deals like this don't happen in the real first world.
Hence, I'm completely confused about the Radiomir in question.
It could seem a little more likely to be fake if it was new, but it's not, its strap has some wear.

>>61139486
Yeah if you send them a watch apparently they won't confirm whether it's real or not because they can't tell.

>>61139554
That was no regular dogshit Panerai, it was special edition exclusive dogshit.

>>61139444
Thanks. So even the movements are indistinguishable?
>>61139554
Is this pic a fake movement?

>>61139633
>Is this pic a fake movement?
No, those are usually higher quality Tongji clones.

>>61139486
It's, what, 70+ year old tech now?

They can make fake iphones, making exact copys of a 70yo watch should not be hard

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>>61139633
The movements can be distinguished but it's hard. Panerai watches aren't even that bad, it's just that they're horrifically overpriced and aren't much better than something like a Sinn (which also get faked easily).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ7YiopfGg8

Honestly I would save up and get a Rolex.

>>61139697
Actually faking a 70 year old watch should be harder since their designs weren't really optimized for mass-production.

>>61139581
>Another one sells the Tissot Classic Dream I posted above, new and boxed, for about half its retail price
You can get them online for half what macy's sells them for

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>>61139581
>Hence, I'm completely confused about the Radiomir in question.
Only buy something like that from someone who has a 10+ year reputation of only selling legit items and has built a business around it

if you buy a watch that even the factory can't sort the fakes out in person from some random guy or a pawn shop you are asking to get taken

>>61139755
at the retarded prices they sell for today, fakes don't have to be mass produced to be an issue, they could be made by hand

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Good morning wt

>>61139306
>>what do I look for to tell a fake Panerai apart from a real one?
>aaanyone?
radiocarbon date the strap

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How are electric watches in term of servicing, like how often do they need servicing?

>>61139865
cant even see your chinkshit in the photo.

>>61140029
A lot of them are more fragile than traditional mechanicals, but the serviceable parts are basically the same as a mechanical - service them with the same frequency you would any vintage mechanical watch. Then hope the electronics don't fail, and if they do, replace them from a donor.

>>61129903
>I want to aim for one once I have the money.
when will u have $180,000+++?

>>61140293
Are they more accurate than a mechanical watch then?
Because if not there is not much of a point in getting one

>>61140552
Plain electric watches (like the Hamilton electric) don't suffer from a lack of isochronism but that's about it -timekeeping is still regulated by a balance spring. The benefit of electric watches was that they didn't have to be wound. Quartz electromechanicals like the luch 3055 have quartz-like accuracy, since time is regulated by a quartz crystal, not the balance spring.

>>61139700
Thanks for the vid. That guy is gold.

>Rolex
I hate them, their design, and their brand appeal with passion, partly because I just personally dislike that kind of design and partly because they're the epitome of new russians.

>>61139822
I'm way too poor to buy a 4K watch for 4K, 2K or 1K, but the chance to get one for a few hundreds is horribly tempting, and I do love Panerai's brutalist design (how could someone like >>61139700 even compare them to Rolexes? Alright, I can see some similarities in the status vibes it gives off, but it's an absolutely different look)
Didn't quite get your last sentence, it's missing some interpunction

>>61139755
>>61139840
There are the cheap fakes (look up panerai on gumtree) which are obviously mass produced on lousy machinery, but this one, as I said, doesn't look so.

>>61139866
>radiocarbon date the strap
Kek, that wouldn't help much, since the PAM 183 is apparently being produced only since 2004.


What would be a fair price for a "good", perfect, indistinguishable Panerai fake then? Would /wt/ pay 300 EUR for such?

>>61140973
Your tastes are your tastes i guess but I wouldn't pay 300 eur for a real panerai.

>>61140973
>Rolex is too flashy and new money and has a bad brand image
>But Panerai is ok
>Wants to wear a fake Panerai
I wish you the best finding your watch, but damn anon you have some shit taste. Those expensive fakes are usually very very similar looking externally, just do your homework first to make sure they don't take your money and disappear or send you a watch that grenades itself in a week or something. There's whole forums dedicated to fakes, I'm sure they'll have tips.

>>61140351
Lmao at the "+++", that one was a rare vintage sold at auction and originally retailed at $1,500.
A rolex can be had for $5k-$10k.
Absolute top end (new) rolex no more than $80k.

>>61140973
>Didn't quite get your last sentence, it's missing some interpunction

Who is selling you the watch? Does this person have a reputation for selling legitimate watches?

if not don't buy the watch from him, here is what we know

1: really good fakes exist
2: they cost thousands of dollars
3: you find one for 1/10th the fair price of a real one

HMMMMMMMMMMM I WONDER WHAT IS GOING ON HERE

hey guiez i know a guy who wants to sell me a 5 ounces of gold bars for $300

u think it's legit?

>>61141319
re read, he's talking about one off hand made swiss watches

>>61140293
What

>>61141493
he's not talking about a quartz watch, he's talking about a mechanical watch with a battery and motor in it that winds the watch

>>61141156
Where I am, panerai has no brand image whatsoever, I didn't even know of panerai before seeing that watch in pawn shop. I just realy like the design.
Tastes aside, I do not exactly WANT to have a fake panerai, I totally would want to get a real one one for that price, however I kinda might accept its fakeness if it works and looks flawlessly, so the question is - would this price be sane for ending up having a good quality fake?

It's a legit pawn shop, I can see the watch in person, I would get a receipt, the shop wouldn't disappear and I could probably return the watch within a week if it stops working (most pawn shops here have such policy, haven't asked these guys yet) but I couldn't if it turns out fake and I bring them some proof of that from some watch shop or whatever.

>>61141355
here's the thing, buying from somewhere with reputation would be the actual several thousands (yet I doubt whether there is any such place, cuz there's no market for such things).
It's pawn shop / second hand shop, such shops are not fine watches specialists, but they pawn/buy and sell watches ranging from some obvious, gaudy fakes to casios to gucci/armani kind of brands to seikos to tissots to rados to the occasional rolex. I guess they should be skilled enought to tell apart a fake from real when they pawn or buy a watch for a hundred or few hundred euros. So, I'd assume if someone had walked in with a real, somewhat worn panerai, bare watch with no papers, for whatever reason needing to sell it, and said "guys, how much will you give me for this?", the guys might be like "oh, we can't be sure if it's real, we can pay you 100" (or 200) and put on sale for 300.
So you're saying this is a very fair price even for a fake, if it's a good fake?


>>61141420
could be legit somewhere where someone is desperate to sell it and no one would buy it for what it's actually worth

>>61141782
to put the picture of pawn shops in even more perspective - I have bought a mint TI-89 Titanium for 15 euros and a decent shape Grado Labs SR80 for 37. Because no one here would buy such things (unlike mainstream electronics) for their ebay prices. Hence, even a panerai for 300 looks kinda plausible.

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>>61139700
>drinking whisky in ice
>taking advice from this person

hahaha

>>61141782
How do you know they have 100 bucks in it, maybe they have $15 in it

People get rid of good fakes when they start having issues, maybe it has problems that are not worth fixing

pawn shops don't sell $2000 items for $300, maybe they don't want to fuck with a calculator they could make an extra 50bucks on, but when it comes to thousands they don't dick around

>>61141514
>Mechanical watch with a battery and a motor that winds the watch
What
Do those even exist

>>61141782
so you have seen this pawn shop sell counterfeit watches before?

come on anon

>>61142761
>>Mechanical watch with a battery and a motor that winds the watch
>What
>Do those even exist

yes here is a photo

>>61140029

>>61142951
That's a watch where a battery powers an electromagnet that provides impulse to the balance wheel, where a hairspring is still what regulates timekeeping, correct? - I guess you could call that "winding a watch". That's the first kind of watch I was describing here >>61140694

>>61142728
>How do you know
I don't, yet I doubt anyone would sell a decent quality fake watch for 15 euros. Well, maybe a junkie who's stolen it would, but he couldn't sell/pawn it to a pawn shop cuz they ask for an id and get regularly checked by the police.
Most pawn shops here usually don't sell stuff for more than 150% of what is was pawned, to stay competitive in both pawning and selling. This particular one however isn't exactly a pawn shop in that they don't pawn things, they only buy and sell them, maybe they have different pricing policies but anyhow they have to stay competitive to the dozen other pawn shops in the same block (yes, there is a dozen of them in a 200m block), unless the guy with the watch had come at night when there's no competition - the law limits working hours of pawn shops to 8am to 8pm but shops like this can be and are 24/7.

>People get rid of good fakes when they start having issues
quality advice, thanks

>when it comes to thousands they don't dick around
That's what it seemingly should be like, I think I've seen some rados closer to their real value, dunno perhaps those have papers and stuff, and they sell jewelry for what it's worth, but what on earth could they do with a watch of a kind that is known to be faked and has no proof of authenticity?

>>61142935
>so you have seen this pawn shop sell counterfeit watches before?
I haven't found a watch which poses as real yet is fake, but I'm no expert and haven't inspected lots of watches in pawnshops.
However, this shop right now has some cheapish (around 50 euros or so) new, boxed thing that says swiss military something and just screams fake. Some other pawn shops in town also have these exactly same watches, looks like someone has bought those on aliexpress and sold/pawned one to each shop, there must be people who do that, I've recently seen some identical cheap chink bluetooth speakers in every second pawn shop. But this is kinda different story I think.

>>61143284
you perceptions are warped and you are not making a lot of sense. In the secondary (used) market counterfeit watches are all but worthless, people want them new and to know where they are coming from

if you want to piss away 300bucks on a fake watch go ahead but it's a dumb thing to do

>>61143284
>That's what it seemingly should be like, I think I've seen some rados closer to their real value, dunno perhaps those have papers and stuff, and they sell jewelry for what it's worth, but what on earth could they do with a watch of a kind that is known to be faked and has no proof of authenticity?

sell it at a to a legit high end second hand watch dealer

>>61143380
>you perceptions are warped
not sure which ones you mean. I admit I know dogshit about fine watch market. Yet I think I have rather accurate perception of how the local pawn shops work and what stuff they can sell and what they can't.

>>61143415
>sell it at a to a legit high end second hand watch dealer
I'm afraid there's nearly none here. There are some that repair, buy and sell swiss and such mechanical watches, at least one such guy who advertises on a local classifieds site, namely he advertises that he buys and repairs, no idea where and how he sells his stuff, ebay maybe. Cuz as I said, this place is too poor and too small for a local fine watch second hand market to exist, unlike places like London.
There are people here who buy new seikos and orients and tissots and the like, and obviously enough people who happily buy those used, and there are the few rich who buy new high end watches (there's a shop that has some 20K baume & mercier and some 10K tag heuers and perrelets), but I'm rather sure there's almost no one who would be into buying a used several thousands worth watch locally. But maybe that's just my wishful thinking.

>>61143832
>I'm afraid there's nearly none here.
internet

stop trying to convince yourself it's not fake

Would it be pricier to service a Rolex/Omega or a Jaeger LeCoultre?

Thinking about a 7000 dollar JLC but I hope the repair costs isn't ridiculous

>>61143955
Jlc service would likely be more expensive.

>>61143955
>Jaeger LeCoultre
Jaeger-LeCoultre Reverso (hand-wound) 450 Euro
Jaeger-LeCoultre Double-sided Reverso with extra functions 610 Euro
Jaeger-LeCoultre Master Chronograph 750 Euro

>>61143955
New Rolex and JLC need to be serviced about every 5 - 7 years. A full service would usually cost around 600-700 depending on the model if you use the brand service centers. It'll be easier to find a 3rd party shop that could service rolex cheaper.

However if you buy from an AD or brand boutique they'll often throw in the first service for free as part of the package. You always need to remember that if you buy from the grey market as you never get that and suddenly that cheap prices doesn't look as good anymore.

What are my options for single handed watches that isn't Luch because it's shit or Meistersinger because of price

>>61144133
Is a rolex movement even worth $700

seems like you could get a brand new one every 5 years and be ahead

especially since some idiot will buy your old one on ebay

>>61144241
Same reason people buy and ride horses

it's a hobby

>>61144241
They're neat

>>61144224
There's overpriced quartz
Slo watch
Botta uno

>>61144234
> Is a rolex movement even worth $700
Depends on the model.

If you don't care about keeping the Rolex then sure, that's real easy to do. Especially as there are plenty of idiots who'll buy second hand without asking if it's been recently serviced.

>>61144241
Because it gets you girls obviously.

>>61144330
>If you don't care about keeping the Rolex then sure,
I mean you buy a subby, and in 5 years buy a new movement and put it in your watch and sell your old one.

you could do that yourself and it would be cheaper than a service and you would have a brand new movement

>>61144383
Tell me that after you've taken it in for service three times in six months. It's totally an experience.

>>61144383
>Riding a horse is an experience. Owning a mechanical watch is not.

It's the experience of owning a mechanical watch.

and you don't have to shovel poo

not everything everyone does is to maximize efficiency anon

>>61144241
No one buys a mechanical watch because of accuracy (though some would say +/- 1-3 seconds a day for the parts involved is pretty amazing)

> Aspiration
> Status symbol
> Showing off their wealth
> Fashion
> Investment
> Aesthetic
> Appreciation of the precision engineering.

Pick one or more

you didn't have to ban that guy, he can talk shit if he wants

i wasn't bothered and he raises a legit point.

still want a grand seiko tho

>>61144500
to me it's about a golden age when that really was the highest tech you could get in such a small package, you either spent good money on a mechanical or you went around asking people what time it was

it's such a convoluted and complicated way just to find out what freaking time it is, but that's all they had

>>61124785
Is that thing solid gold or gold plated

jesus

>>61144558
Good point. The history and tradition of watch making shouldn't be ignored.

>buy casio waveceptor
>looks ok but not cool or anything
>gets the time every night via radio from the Naval Observatory

I want to cram that movement into a submariner case, I want to hate that casio but atomic time keeping really activates my autism

>>61144599
Solid gold speedmaster moonwatch with gold bracelet. Probably talking at least $20k second hand.

>>61144679
I wish some classic watchmakers would keep up with the times a little more, not for all their watches but just make new tech available in a classic case for people who want it

>>61144718
>Solid gold speedmaster moonwatch with gold bracelet. Probably talking at least $20k second hand.
i bet it's heavy as fuck

>>61144755
I've actually tried it on and yes it's noticeably heavier than the usual steel but I honestly preferred the weight. It felt really good.

But there's no way I'd ever buy or wear that watch as I think it's ugly as fuck.

>>61144863

it's an abomination to make a gold moon watch

sacrilege

if you need a gold watch go get some faggy moonphase watch with a name you cant pronounce like you are supposed to

I feel like a 14k gold bracelet on a heavy tool watch would get scratched to fuck and back and look terrible really fast

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>>61128832
Please no

>>61144369
So where the fuck are you going to buy a brand new Rolex movement from? And for less than $700?

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