/pcbg/ PC Building General

>>61084167
no 7700k on CPUs lmao, good one

I'll post this again in the new thread:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RTyWsJ

Any ways to improve my performance?

Anyone have a motherboard recommendation or just changes to make? I want to keep this below $1300 CAD, and don't need a case, keyboard, mouse, fans, or monitor. It's my first desktop build after using laptops for a decade

>>61084462
Shit, forgot link
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/LfnpvV

>>61084167

OP deleted 7700k from the original post.

Make a new post. Do it over again. And right this time.

If/when the mining bubble bursts, would there be any reason to buy one of those poor cards that toiled in the mines?

Wouldn't mind a super cheap rx580 as backup to my 1060.

>>61084509
My miners falls to like 40c at night. I bet that's cooler than your idle temps.

Need new graphics card for occasional gaming with a 2560x1080 60Hz monitor. I want to get at least 3 years of life out of it. 1060-6Gb the best option?

>>61084696
Wait for Vega :^)

If I would by parts by interval, should I buy case first and gpu/cpu/mobos last?

>>61084721
How long? Don't want to wait matter of months.

>>61084476
>1070
>Blower style
>$539
Wouldnt it be cheaper to import this one https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Graphics-Cards/Palit-GeForce-JetStream-Express-Graphics/B01GVN4LFO/ref=sr_1_6?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1498446906&sr=1-6&keywords=1070 ?
Also for a mobo I would recommend the Asus PRIME B350-PLUS if you go ATX or the ASRock AB350M Pro4 for mATX. All the B350 ATX mobos are good (except for maybe the Gigabyte ones) so choose whichever you like the most.

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>>61084324
cry about it shill

Do network cards need to have supporting OS to function? I'm looking at getting a cheap card like https://www.pccasegear.com/products/18067/asus-pce-n15-wireless-n-pcie-adaptor would this work on Windows 10 on a B350M mobo?

>>61084509
>>61084553
You might need to replace the fans but there should be no issue with the chip itself since they run it at temperatures lower than normal people.

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I'm planning on buying an ASRock X370 Taichi motherboard and Samsung 960 Evo M.2 SSD (item no. MZ-V6E500BW). On ASRock's website where it shows a list of the motherboard's supported storage modules, it shows that MZ-V6E250 is supported. Does this mean it can support the 500GB version as well?

>>61084324
>>61084501
But why, the R5-1600X and R7-1700X both beat the i7-7700k now in game performance thanks to the latest updates + pairing with good RAM.

No reason for it to be up there anymore.

Remember to buy used, got a 980ti hybrid for $330.

>>61084914
Source?

>>61084915
is it better than the 1070 at this point?

>>61084817
Currency conversion alone puts the price higher. I'm Canadian, so that $539 isn't as bad as $539 US

Thanks for the motherboard info though

>>61084934
Slightly

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s9PfLD
I'm not buying AMD shit. I'm gonna be gayming and video editing. Yes, I have a delid kit.

>>61084854
Seems like you should just be able to install the driver and everything should be fine.

I personally have no experience with them though.

>>61084892
Yes. The supported hardware list is just a marketing gimmic and manufacturers have to pay to get their products on it. Samsung didnt bother to get all versions of their SSDs approved.

>>61084854
The ASUS webpage has a win10 driver in their downloads section even though it doesnt officially support that OS.

>>61084934
Slightly better, yes. But Nvidia no longer officially supports 980 so 1070 might overtake it in future due to better drivers.

>>61085002
What a shitty build. You have more money than sense. Enjoy your new furnace.

>>61084949
Great build, It will keep you warm during winter, you can cook and do some blacksmithing in the summer.

>>61085082
EBYC comment pro xD

>>61084949
>i7 instead of i9
Trash.

i'm not paying 500 dollars+ for a gpu, do an R5 1600 and 1050Ti have any issues with each other?

>>61085082
>>61085094
Shitposting is not allowed.

>>61085087
Many thank my fellow poster.
I strive to bring the highest quality comments to this imageboard. You can also do your part to cultivate this healthy environment by familiarizing yourself with the countless memes at your disposal.

>>61085095
Bottleneck, get a R5 1400

I hope all the miners who jacked up the prices of all the GPUs die of cancer, and their girlfriends raped.

>>61085095
1600 is overkill for such a puny GPU.

>>61085194
Not him, but isn't it probably a good idea to have a powerful CPU so it allows for a better GPU later, so that the CPU itself doesn't become the bottleneck?

>>61085224
Yes it is

>>61085117
>>61085194
1600 isn't that much more than the 1400 though, only ~$50

maybe i'll go with the 1050Ti and pick up a mid-range gpu in a couple of years

>>61085224
that's what i was thinking

>>61085232
Well, that seems like a sound plan in my opinion.
A powerful CPU is a wise investment.

>>61085232
Pretty much my plan. Picked up a 760 for $50 while I wait for Vega.

What should I look out for when buying used GPUs? I found two craiglist ads of the GT 980 Ti EVGA Classified for $300 and $360.

>>61084914
false

60fps is shit
get out console user

I need a video card pci express x16 for under 500 dollars. i wanna run pretty modern games at decent settings. any suggestions?

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redpill me on x370 boards
is ASUS prime the best value here or is there some other sweetspot I'm not seeing?

best cheap 144hz monitor? ASUS VG248QE?

Upgrading my old cpu with motherboard, want to buy Ryzen 1600, but will it bottleneck my gtx660?

>>61085752
Don't fall for 144hz meme, if you want to get 144hz monitor then your going to need a 1080ti.

>>61085848
>but will it bottleneck my gtx660?
A 1600 bottleneck a GTX 660? No, the other way around. I'd recommend you keep it until gpu prices come down unless you're impatient and/or money isn't an issue

>>61084884
Found the miner that abosulutely wrecked his cards at 80c+ all day every day fucking the vrms and everything else in the process

>>61085874
Oops, my bad. So will they be fine together?

>>61085862
>dont fall for the smooth motion meme

gtfo console shill, 120hz+ or get the fuck out.

>>61085912
Sure, the CPU will just not run at it's full potential

>>61085862
All you need is a game being able to run in 144fps, and people mostly pick 144hz for games like CSGO and Overwatch

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/padraigkayto/saved/yBYvK8
or
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/padraigkayto/saved/tHL8dC

I'll be using it for 1080p gaming, AutoCAD and Revit modelling.

>>61085942
144hz is nice for everything, even scrolling up and down on webpages.

>>61085862
i plan on playing on medium settings, fps >>> graphics desu

>>61085950
Go with amd and with the money you saved by going with amd, get a 2x8gb kit right away. Higher frequency ram will also help with performance. Also 650w is more then you need unless you plan on upgrading/sli.

>>61085933
I need upgrade for running new games and 3d modelling, but my budget is around 400$. I definitely have to swap my lga775 socket

>>61086001
>3d modeling

Well then, itll wreck even a 7700k, so go with that.

is it worth it to pay hundreds of dollars more for the upgrade from gtx1060 to 1070 or 1070 to 1080

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>>61084324

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Are Gigabyte GPUs decent? I mean for quietness, cooling, performance, longevity, etc. I know they look like shit.

>>61086064
>1060

>>61086064
Brother got a 1070 on special, seems to work fine and stay cool. Said he had a few graphical glitchs at first 4 months ago but it's been fine since

>>61086064
>gigabyte

>>61086064
>Nvidia

I have old PC with 700w psu, gtx 660 and old motherboard with lga775 socket. I definitely want buy new motherboard, with new cpu and new ddr4 ram. Goal is 3d modelling and running new games as good as possible with streaming. Budget around 400$. Wanted to go with ryzen 1600, but I'm afraid about bottlenecking

Any ideas what to do from here guys

>Build new PC
>It crashes when playing games and furmark
>Send it to a repair shop
>They update the motherboard bios and it no longer crashes under furmark
>Continues to crash under games after 60-90 minutes
>Switch out every piece of hardware except the case
>Problem persists
>Discover Darksiders will crash it within 30 seconds of the game starting

Where the fuck do I go from here? I feel like I'm cursed as absolutely nothing makes sense and I don't know who the fuck I can ask for help.

>>61085666
My ASUS board killed itself because they're shit at regulating voltage. I'm luck it didn't take the graphics card and cpu with it.

What case should I get for a £1k build?

>>61086218
you probably have shitty powerlines on your house

>>61086218
Sup Darksider dude. Still haven't figured out the issue? Did you call the exorcist like I told you too the last time?

If every piece of hardware has been changed and I assume wiped as well with a fresh install OS. It might be an issue with dirty power and your wall socket/surge protector.

I just bought a ryzen 1600.
now How do I install the anti NSA spyware?

>>61086240
How would I solve that? I tried a different extension cord.

I'm wondering if a 650 PSU is the problem. Is it enough to run a Ryzen build or would I need something stronger?

An exorcist would be nice right now. I swear someone has a voodoo doll fucking with me with how bad my luck is.

>>61086177
>>61086084
I'd prefer to go AMD, but there are quite literally 0 RX 570/580s in stock in my country, at least for anywhere near the price of a 1060.

>>61086269
Wait for Vega :^)

ETHEREUM CRASHING AHAHAHAH
GET FUCKED CRYPTOFAGGOTS

>>61086268
UPS would tell you, if it does not crash asap with that

650w is overkill for anything not SLi/Crossfire if its not a shit brand.

>>61086268
Try a different wall socket?
Do you have friends? Maybe bring your PC over to their house and try it. Or just try another PC at your house.

Yes a 650 PSU should be more than enough for any single GPU build although the recommended PSU for a 290x is 750.

>>61086220
>brand x is shit for x reason
Does anyone have sources around here or is it just constant shill v shill?

>>61086295
Oh shit, does this still mean some schmuck will buy my RX 470 for $100 more than I bought it for?

>>61086289
So 2018?

>>61086257
Welcome to the watchlist.
There's no getting off this ride.

>>61086305
SOP

>>61086299
UPS?

>>61086305
I've run 4 different PCs off this socket. It seems unlikely it would be the socket.

It's a ASUS prime 250B mother board.

>>61086326
Uninterruptable Power Supply

Basicly a big battery that has reliable, smooth power.

>>61086326
You have 4 different PCs and this is the only one with this issue?

>>61086257
What are you referring to?

>>61086335
I've run 4 different ones over the years. This is the only one with this issue yes.

>>61086268
When you said you've switched out every piece of hardware, I'm assuming you switched out the PSU as well? I had a similar issue happen to me, turned out to be the 750w cheapo corsair PSU I was using.

Is /biz/ literally just people panicking or trying to get other people to panic? Fucking cryptoniggers.

>>61086349
yes

>>61086346
I bought a new PSU for this machine that was 600w and recommended on parts picker. I switched it out for a 650w one from my old machine and still had the problem.

>>61086342
You did change the PSU out right?
I literally have no solutions that I didn't already offer the last time. Sorry bro.

>>61086372
Yea I changed it out. Only the case is original at this point and tomorrow I'm going to take everything out of the case and see if it does it then.

Thanks for trying to help. I've been at this for several months now. Starting to regret not buying a prebuilt machine

>>61086365
Can you run furmark and a CPU stress test at the same time?

>>61086529
I've not tried that, I can do so in a bit. I believe Heaven tests both CPU and GPU and I've run that a few times.

>>61086240
Do you have the number for that exorcist please? My loyal mp3 player's on/off button just died on me. Fucking curses man.

Trying to OC a Ryzen CPU to 4ghz is like trying to get a 4.0 GPA

>>61086614
just oc it to 3.95 instead itll probably take way less voltage

>>61086614
So, easy?

t. Harvard cuck

>>61086567
When I was having PSU issues, only certain games would cause a shutdown, and often only more than 40 minutes in to playing.
I hadn't tried Heaven, but my computer could run furmark or prime95 on their own indefinitely, but as soon as I ran them concurrently, the pc would just shut off.

Fixed when I got a highly rated seasonic PSU (not to shill seasonic or anything).

>>61086703
I'll give it a try in a moment then. Thanks for the help, really appreciate it.

>>61085666
The Prime Pro is the best mid-range X370 board. It uses the same NexFETs found on the Crosshair VI and Taichi, making it the only other board to do so.

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I heard the AMD wraith spire (the cooler on the R7 1700) has already thermal paste on it, is it true? I don't have to use my own on the CPU then?

>>61086833
yes it's true

Will Nvidia gimp the 1070 or am i safe with it?

Yo guys whats the cheapest PSU that will not burn down my R7 1700x+16GB+ 1070 setup?

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I ran out of space for hard drives. How do I know which hard drive mounts will fit my case?

>Thermaltake Versa H15 SPCC Micro ATX Mini Tower

>>61087039
get a quality psu you fucking retard

I'm looking for a recommendation on a mini itx case that I can travel without worrying about shit breaking on an flight or something.

I'm building a computer mostly out of older parts but I also need a psu and motherboard I'm trying to reuse an old 4650k I have floating around.

>>61086900
They won't gimp the 1070, the drivers will merely be "depreciated" once Volta comes out.

Anyone know the best place/manufacturer to buy a 1080 to from RN?

>>61087288
why would you buy a 1080 from the Royal Navy?

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Im gonna buy this. any reason I shouldnt? did I miss something? is 750W enough?

>>61087382
750 is way overkill, but the G3 is a good psu regardless.

>>61087382
Did you just go through picking the most expensive parts possible for an AMD build?

Why do you need a $580 SSD?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L3Y82R
will my ram be compatible with the motherboard ?

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Guys i have a chance to buy a 1080 used for like 3 months for a decent price.

The thing its a PNY card. First time i hear about it.

Thoughts?

So why would i get a Ryzen 1600 or 1600X over the 1500X?

The 1500x seems more then capable of running most games on high settings.

>>61087382
You might want a better SSD, but it's fine besides that.

>>61087522
define better? isnt the 960pro pretty good?

>>61087422
I need the space and I want it to hold a while

>>61086703
I've ran both together now for almost 90 minutes. I don't think this is going to cause a crash.

>>61087342
TO BUY A 1080 TI FROM RIGHT NOW*

>>61087612
But what about the 1080 then?

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https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/B6Dzr7

How's this for programming / 1080p gaming ?

Should I wait for VEGA? I'm planning to make the purchase late August

>>61087642

Also, is there a downside for only having one 500 GB partition instead of two? Currently my laptop has a 500 gb SSD and I partitioned it like 100 on C:\ for Windows and 400 for D:\ but turns out shit like Visual Studio or NVidia and other shit NEED to put some of their stuff in C:\ so now I constantly have to run CCleaner every week because its constantly under 10 GB free on the C:\ Drive. I should make it take the whole 500 GB, no ?

>>61087609
Running both for 90 minutes had the CPU temp up to 99. I don't think I want to leave it on any longer for obvious reasons but I think it's fair to say it's not a PSU problem if running GPU and CPU to the extreme didn't do shit to the PC.

>>61087500
>The 1500x seems more then capable of running most games on high settings.
It is, but the 1600 offers much more headroom for only $20~ more

Thinking of getting a R5 1600X and GTX 1080 (was planning on getting a 1070 but with these prices I may as well get a 1080 instead). I don't plan on overclocking anything because I'm paranoid about that stuff. I'm planning to use the PC mainly for gaming.

Will the middle-class CPU bottleneck the high-class GPU or is R5 1600X + GTX1080 fine?

>>61087742
Yeah, I've got nothing then man, sorry. Did you use standoffs when you put your motherboard in?

>>61087996
The only bottleneck will be the 1080 provided you are gaming at a resolution befitting of your specs aka not 1080p and at least at 144hz.

Is shilling for AMD the morally correct thing to do at this point?

>>61088023
>Artificially create shortage to drive GPU prices up
>Refuse to announce Vega news so prices continue to climb
"Morally correct"

I just won $3,000 from a coca cola giveaway so that'll be my budget, is this a good build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wx98cc

>>61088086
Purpose? Only games?

>>61088145
games, video editing, video upscaling with waifu2x, and a plex media center.

>>61088152
3000 right? Spend the extra to get the 1700x since you are already getting a good air cooler.

>>61088158
i was planning on OC'ing the 1700 to 4.0GHz, hence the good cooler

>>61088178
Why not get the 1700x and OC it harder? Since those are supposed to be binned better.

>>61088194
i guess i can do that. thanks for your input.

>>61088204
Make sure your RAM is on the QVL. Aside from that it is all good.

>>61087745
So you suggest ill get the 1600 over the 1500X

>>61087069
get SSDs & stack them wherever.

How does this look?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/yGhjM8

Is my PSU good, someone recommended getting an EVGA one

$400 shit tier build for my little brother, I have a 6700k to flash the bios
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d88HFd

>>61088391
Those RAM aren't compatible. I think. Double check.

>>61088402
2x4 is better than 1x8

>>61088391
>6-core
isn't that a meme?

>>61088152
>video upscaling with waifu2x
Is this actually viable?

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Just finished my first build and I'm pretty happy with it - a little noisy at times but otherwise no complaints. Thanks to yall for all the advice. But what would you choose to upgrade or change first? Rate me pls

>>61088566
What is your ram speed?

>>61088576
ddr4 3200

Can I get some help of on a few questions?

Can you overclock a R5 1600 to the performance level of the R5 1600X?
Is higher speed ram worth it?
Is the X370 chipset worth it if I don't plan on running Crossfire/SLI?

>>61088596
No. I know it is 3200. What is the speed in practice. Check speecy. Is it 3200?

>>61088604
Oh sorry, idk I'm on the lappy right now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

tfw bought a ryzen 7 4chan machine

>>61088626
Cause if I remember correctly that RAM isn't on the QVL of the mobo so I wonder what speed it is running at. Might be 2133mhz.

>>61088646
Pardon my ignorance, are you saying the mobo is bottlenecking the RAM?

>>61088661
I am saying Asrock never tested your RAM kit on their mobo so they cannot guarantee anything about that RAM like speed, stability etc when you use it on their mobo.

>>61088672
Ahh yeah I think I remember reading something like that actually. Well stability has never been a problem so far: admittedly I'm mostly running older games but never had an issue. If anything it's just the noise that's a problem, and I'm not sure if it's the GPU, or PSU, or what

>>61088661
If you haven't even looked in the BIOS at the RAM, then it's most likely 2133 because you have to change it yourself to get faster speeds.

You basically spent extra money for nothing if you don't change it.

>>61088325
Yes. Having more than you need is something really good in the PC world, because it means the moment you need anything heavier than you usually would, your computer will take it. PSU, GPU, CPU, RAM capacity, storage capacity, etc etc. More headroom is always better, and the 1500x doesn't have that much left while gaming, although still much more than it's competitor.

>>61088706
Your speed might be the lowest possible DDR4 speed as well. You should get that checked.

>>61088709
>>61088725
Oh good point. I haven't even thought about BIOS... will definitely look into that. Cheers.

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i just glued heatsinks together then into thermal pads i previously had placed together because it didn't want to stick in there even with thermal paste and kept falling onto my GPU after some minutes
i guess it serves me right for buying cheapo $5 thermal pads but now i literally do not give a shit
also fuck, it's incredible to see how much VRM heats during overclock (stress test), i wonder how hot it was in there without the heatsinks

I need help
Im from Swiss and I am going to build my first gaming pc
Budget is around 1500 €
I often play Shadow of Mordor/Arma 3/ M&B warband
I also need to buy a new monitor

>>61088826
You used to be able to get a good PC at that price but I have no idea how bad the GPU market is in Europe now. What resolution and refresh rate are you looking for your monitor.

How does this look, do I need the CPU cooler?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bhdF6X

>>61088957
You could get a 1600 without cooler insteand and your games would perform pretty much the same for $80 less
Also that motherboard isn't really ideal for overclocking either because of the lack of VRM heatsinks, better motherboards like the prime b350 plus aren't that much more expensive

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Hello,
I got a 280x from friend, what cpu should I pair it with not to bottleneck it?

My budget is : extremely poorfag tier

>>61088826
>I often play Shadow of Mordor/Arma 3/ M&B warband
Good for you. I suggest you do your research on what hardware those games require and in general read some reviews before so that you have a general idea before you come here.
This is not your personal tech support for lazy children who ask to what they should spend their parents money on.
If you're too busy playing CoD i suggest you make a purchase there: https://gear2game.ch/gaming-systeme/gamer-pc.html

>>61089024
g4560 -> r5 1400 -> r5 1500x -> r5 1600

Assembling a new PC, need everything since the old one's a hunk of junk. Any kind of help is appreciated!

Budget ~1300 euros, living in Finland.
Will mostly be used for MMOs, some AAA titles but rarely. Main monitor will be 1080p, 60Hz refresh rate. Second monitor might be smaller, not sure yet.

>>61088987
Thanks friend, swapped out the parts you mentioned.

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>>61089039
ty fren
I saw GN's review of the g4560 just yesterday though and being a dual core it seems to fuck up in the kinda games I like though:
-Massive Strategy
-Open world

Is the 1400 worth it? Or should I save moar moneis towards a 6 core

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>>61089179
Speaking of the g4560, what mobo would u pair it with?
The absolute cheapest 45$ ones?

In that case it might make sense bc u bring a capable setup home for 110-120$

Pairing it with a z270 board makes it barely less expensive than a ryzen tho?

Why is ram so much many right now? Whats up with the price hike?

>>61089179
if you can afford it then r5 1600 has currently the best value (6 cores 12 threads for ~200 is crazy).

>>61089194
for pentium - cheapest b250 motherboard with 4 ram slots. ram 2x4gb 2400mhz. no reason to go for z270.

>>61086614
My 1600 hits 4 easily. You just lost the lottery anon.

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>>61089217
Ok so I'm looking at a 170-180$ g4560 build (cpu-mobo-ram) vs a 350$ r5 1600 equivalent.

I also thought about buying a used 2500k setup (which costs around the same moneis as a g4560 new) bc I saw in the GN review that it beats it when OC'ed by a relatively large margin, plus could save some money and reuse by 8gb ddr3 1600 ram and try to oc it

>>61088600
Yes
Yes
No

I'm upgrading my CPU (from X58 RIP) and I'll be using GPU passthrough under Linux for some of those sweet sweet video games. I'm set on the r7 1700, any recommended changes for the rest? I'm buying in the UK and I wouldn't like to go much above £600 for the CPU, RAM, and motherboard.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/CcstsJ

What should I be looking at when picking a motherboard? I see no difference between most of them besides the price.

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>>61089291
g4560 is on par with stock 2500k.
by buying used 2500k you're locking yourself to a dead platform from 2011. the only upgrade would be 2600k which isn't a lot better. also for overclocking you'd need a good ~30$+ cpu cooler.

i wouldn't go for sandy bridge. just sell your old ram and either get g4560 or save some money for ryzen r5 1400/1500x/1600. AM4 platform is going to be supported till 2020, so you'll have a better upgrade path.

>>61089391
1. if it supports overclocking
2. format (mATX, ATX)
3. ports
4. VRM phases (cooling, only if you OC)
6. looks
7. misc shit like UEFI

>>61086064
i saw a 1080 test running witcher 3 i think
was something like
>Asus 69 celsius
>msi 72 celsius
>gigabite 75 celsius
just go to youtube and compare

For a pure gaming PC - would the R5-1600X still make more sense than the i5-7600K?

While the R5 wins out in pretty much all other situations, the higher clock speed per core seems to give the i5-7600K an edge when it comes to gaming, since most games don't make good use of the higher amount of threads on the R5.
However, if game devs finally get their shit together in the next few years then the 1600X might actually be better for games too because it outperforms the 7600K in applications that make use of the additional threads.

I'm trying to build a PC that can run pretty much all current titles at 1440p max settings and upcoming titles at least at 1080p, will the R5 1600X be enough for that?

>>61089654
Yes, it's more than enough for that. Unless you're trying to drive 144Hz, the Intel chips have zero advantages. Your GPU is going to be the limiting factor in 99.9% of modern gaymes at 1440p.

>>61089592
>by buying used 2500k you're locking yourself to a dead platform from 2011.
Yea but the z270 mobos are twice as pricey.
And what upgrade path anyway if last gen is anything to go buy a 7700k is gonna cost 200-240$ on the used market still in 3years time because of retarded intelfags
>Literally saw a 4790k sold used for 290$ today

>>61089654
Don't get any i5, any clock speed difference is marginal. If you go intel, just get a 7700k.

I cannot close my case because the PSU cables to my GPU are too stiff, I cannot bend them thus they're in the way. What should I do?

I might be able to bend them but I'm pretty scared of messing them up. Are there things out there I could use to do the intermediary? Surely this is something that happens a lot, especially to people with a tiny case, right?

>>61089654
>However, if game devs finally get their shit together in the next few years
Not until PS5 or Xbone 2, console CPU limitation means that games will by large still be single threaded. Unless we are talking PC exclusives.

>>61088331
>get SSDs & stack them wherever.
SSDs are too expensive for my data consumption.

>>61089708
>Yea but the z270 mobos are twice as pricey

Z170 ones are dirt cheap used. Buy one of those instead. Grab a Celeron G1820 from Amazon to update the BIOS for Kaby Lake support if necessary and then return it.

>>61089724
Bend them. It is the insulation that is stiff not the wiring, don't be afraid to bend it till it fits. Unless there is a break in the insulation, it shouldn't be an issue.

>>61089727
This is a complete lie though. Almost all games released in the past couple of years make good use of at least four threads, often more. You're apparently living in 2012, playing Unreal Engine 3 ports.

>>61089727
games already use more than 4 cores. and with intel releasing 6 and 8 core cpus they will keep coming

>>61089744
Yeah. Make good use of 4 thread but their performance is still largely dictated by single thread speed.

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>>61089654
Listen to this gorgeous christlike figure son:
https://youtu.be/VBTccbalcbM?t=12m28s

1600 OC already beats 7600k OC anyway what u on about?

>>61089708
you don't need z270. for g4560 just get b250. i meant upgrade path is better with ryzen since it's going to be supported for another 3-4 years therefore new cpu will keep coming out on AM4.

>>61089733
can u oc a i7 7700k effectively on them

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>>61089771
>b250
I don't get it fren,
If upgrade path is out of the question then the i5 2500k is much better choice at a similar if not inferior price

>>61089749
Well yeah, of course performance is going to be better on 7600K than a fucking Core 2 Quad. That doesn't change the fact that most modern games love extra threads to work with, which is why i5s are dropping off a cliff compared to i7s in most newer titles, especially in terms of 0.1% and 1% lows.

>>61089781
Of course.

>>61089795
you can still upgrade to i5 7600/i7 7700 on b250 mobo

>>61089816
What games? You can literally count those games with hands. Every game loves extra power regardless of CPU or GPU but how many games has a substantial increase in performance from an i7/1700 over i5/1600 if they are not pushing 144hz at a low resolution.

>>61089830
Yea no I'm not gonna "upgrade" to a i5/i7 non k in 2-3 years that's retarded

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RTyWsJ
How can I improve this?

>>61089882
>How can I improve this?
>Anno Domini 2017
>falling for the Semitic Lake (TM) meme
By not being an autist. Budget, location and purpose?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/w6bkZ8

Just finished my GF's light gaming pc. Picked up parts as they went on sale for the past year while I transitioned her from my old FX8150 Radeon 5770 pc. I'm pretty happy with it. Small, light, and when you take into account the prices I paid at the time the grand total was around $350. She's still on the old psu so the one in the list is just a stand in. It's only two years old so I'm not going to replace it anytime soon.

GF is mostly just happy it doesn't sound like a jet engine taking off anymore when she feels like playing Dragon Age inquisition and is happy with the pretty new case after having to look at my old cheap full ATX monstrosity. Playing with the idea of getting a heat sink quieter than the stock one. Anyone have any recommendations?

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>>61089914
shut up breh,
if he's gonna spend 2800$ on its setup and is for pure gaymen then the i7 7700k is the right choice

Even though if I had that sorta budget I would invest it 100% in a kickass 4k tv and speakers, not some sad pos 27" 144memehertz monitor

pcgaymen is sad at times

>>61089855
getting a 2011 cpu is also retarded just buy ryzen and fuck off

>>61089969
Dumb frogposter

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>tfw you can make a watercooled pc for under 100 dollars on ebay

>>61089925
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p9zZm8

>>61089882
>motherboard more expensive than 7700k
>1000w platinum psu
>full tower case
waste of money

>>61089969
>4k tv
trash, high refresh rate beats your 4k meme any day.

>>61089925
Cryorig M9i and Be Quiet Pure Rock (slim) are good and cheap options to reduce noise.

>>61089969
Yes, the 7700K beats the Ryzen @1080p by a few FPS... holy fuck, wow. At higher resolutions Ryzen is BY FAR the better choice.
Ryzen is also better for streaming etc, the 7700K will turn your PC into a lagging oven.
>frog posting with such a cringe pic
>>>/b/
>>>/v/

>>61090021
>holy fuck, wow. At higher resolutions Ryzen is BY FAR the better choice.
Fuck off AMD shill

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>>61090037
intel fanboys on suicide watch

>>61090062
>Photoshopped benchmarks
AMD shills DESPERATE

>>61090062
>AMD better in 3 games
>Intel better in 6 games
>Both tie at one game
How does this help an AMD fan's case?

what's a good 1440p 144hz monitor? My ancient Asus 144hz one needs an upgrade

>>61090099
Not him but there is more to being better than framerate, you idiot.

>>61089882
>delid the 7700K
>Drop that fucking MoBo to the ground. They should never surpass $200
>opt for a mid ATX tower case or you'll be stuck with a fucking wardrobe that is 80% empty
>Stick to a 600-650W gold-titanium PSU, unless you'll SLI in the future.

Also I hope to god that your monitor has Gsync.

>>61090099
>more cores/threads
>AM4 will be supported for far longer
>comes with a good stock cooler
>is soldered instead of using TIM
>isn't a fucking massive housefire
>practically same performance in games, even though it's clocked way lower
>better lower framerates
>MASSIVELY better in other usage
>motherboards are cheaper
should i go on?

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>>61090037
>>61090077
>>61090099
Enjoy your 10fps more @1080p on your 100°C Intel(R) Delid Lake(TM) while i enjoy playing games fluently without ss-s-s-s-ss-ttttutttttter lake @1440p while watching movies and transcoding music at the same time.
I also paid less for my PC and monitor than you good goys. Remember, always throw all your shekels at your best ally!

>>61090099
>average framerates are the only metric that matters

Please go /v/ and stay go.

>>61090165
There it is. Like clockwork. The falseflagging AMD shill cries the moment someone ask for source.

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Friend told me he would be selling me his 1 year old PC at a discount. He said $650 for it

Is This a good deal?

>OS: Windows 10 Home (64-bit)
>Case: Corsair C90 Black (Military-Grade with carrying handles)
>CPU: Intel Core i7-2600 Quad Core w/ Hyperthreading (Turbo Boosts to 3.8Ghz)
>Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H (with USB 3.0 and room for up to 32GB of RAM)
>CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Gemini II M4 with Red LED Thermaltake Riing Fan
>GPU: NVIDIA GTX Titan (custom white LED & 6GB GDDR5)
>RAM: 16GB Team Elite Plus 1600MHz DDR3
>HDD: 1TB WD Blue (7200rpm)
>PSU: EVGA Gold 750
>Case Cooling: 2x Cooler Master SickleFlow 120 & 1x Cooler Master Silent Fan S12

>>61090207
No one asked for source

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>>61090135
>telling people to delid the cpu to make it a viable option
intel buyers will defend this

>>61090209
>Friend told me he would be selling me his 1 year old PC at a discount.
>one year old
>Sandy Vagina
kek

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>>61090016
>trash, high refresh rate beats your 4k meme any day.

Beats how? By what standards?
Sitting 30" from your tiny screen so you can see a modicum of details?

Have you even gaymed on a big screen?
It's a totally different level of immersion

>>61090105
Asus PG279Q

>>61090209
first gen titan?

>>61090231
Does it ever get boring? Shilling for AMD I mean. Sperging out whenever someones puts 7700k in the OP. Reposting the same few pictures. And then throwing a tantrum whenever someone ask for sources of the benchmarks.

>>61090209
Yea but for 500$

>>61090209
>1 year pc
>cpu is from 2011
no

>>61090209
No. A locked Sandy Bridge chip is pretty shit, the motherboard couldn't overclock even if you bought an unlocked one, the RAM is bare minimum in speed terms, Kepler is cucked beyond belief in newer games and it doesn't even have an SSD.

No way it's a year old based on those components either.

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>>61090207
>ask for source.
1. Go to YouTube.
2. Type in Ryzen 7 i7 7700K
3. Filter past 3 months
4. Watch benchmarks
5. Realise that you're the shill.

>sources
Speaking of which. Show me current benchmarks at 1080p, 1440p and 4k where your 7700K has a considerable lead.
>inb4 zero day benchmarks from 6 months ago

>>61090237
>It's a totally different level of immersion

can confirm, I've bought a 4k 28 inch monitor recently and while it's not big, it still gets me immersed far more than my 23 inch 1080p monitor

>>61090264
>6 months
>zero day
ryzen came out in march, anon

>>61090209
Those are old as fuck components, everything but one year old. Finding those brand new one year ago would've been very hard.
I7 2600 is fucking meh, titan is also meh, and a lot of stuff would need to be replaced in there if you want to upgrade (because what's the point of a new GPU if your CPU can't handle it? what's the point of a new CPU if you don't buy the motherboard and RAM that comes with it which will cost a fuckton total? etc etc)
Because of all these inconveniences, i personally wouldn't buy this for any more than $450

>>61090264
>It is better because I say it is better
>Find your own source
I have seen this story so many times in this thread. It is always you shitting up this thread. Fuck off moron. You collectively make this thread worse than everyone who recommends intel.

>>61090241
It's the only 6GB titan, kepler I believe

>>61090258
He's rarely uses it as he travels for work alot. Aren't the parts worth at least $1400 for this?

>>61090007
I didn't post to get it reviewed, but if we're playing this game this is how I'd set it up if I had to do it today.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cNbkZ8

I have access to a Skylake cpu so somehow getting a H110 with an outdated bios doesn't scare me.

>>61090293
He's right though. You're not going to slide this thread, no matter how many times you try, Shlomo. Every post from some assblasted 7700K owner makes me want to shill Ryzen all the harder. :^)

>>61090283
I just plan on mining crypto with it. I can get 40M/H with the titan which is about $160 a month, and don't pay for electricity.
Still a bad idea?

>>61090293
>i need spoon feeding
>i can't provide sources for my clames but i blame everyone else for it
Pure autism.

>>61090298
good, although ssd is way too small 128 is the bare minimum. also m.2 is a meme.

>>61090311
>He's right though.
>It is the I am pretending to be someone else ruse
Fuck off moron. Every single thread it is you shitting it up all the time.

>>61090108
>>61090162
>>61090165
>>61090192
>Ignoring the plain fact that your AMD bro posted a chart measuring FPS and deluding yourself into believing a standard measurement is unimportant and should be disregarded.

>>61090317
Kill yourself and stop posting the same doctored benchmark every thread and same few pictures every thread.

>>61090324
some epic argumentation right there
>it has 3 more fps in some games therefore is better
is a very shit conclusion to do which is what that guy did after looking at the benchmark

>>61090336
>being this mad over hardware

>>61090350
>Being this mad you resort to posting faked benchmarks
Sad

>>61090296
>Aren't the parts worth at least $1400 for this?

Maybe brand new several years ago. The only value the original Titan has now is as a workstation card, which is why its price remains relatively high. For gaming it's fairly shit. A locked 2600 is worth maybe a hundred bucks. The motherboard is low end trash. The RAM is bare minimum. The PSU is decent. The case is mediocre. The rest has minimal value.

>>61090321
Stay paranoid, you seething retard. :^)

>>61090362
>Always use the same unsourced benchmarks and throws a shitfit the moment someone ask for source of the benchmark
>Every single thread
>It's someone else :^)

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>>61090277
28" is tiny m80
I was talking about 50"-60" ideally

40" is doable too at a very close distance.

Anything smaller than that and there's no way the picture occupies a sufficies FOV for you to be immersed (30-40°angle)

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>>61090324
>such projection
Nobody ignores it. At 1440p both are equal but on anything not gaming Ryzen shits on your precious 7700K. This means if you like to do anything at all while gaming, Ryzen is better.
>inb4 muh 5fps on my 100°C core reactor
Tchernobyl 2.0

>>61090336
>everything i don't like is propaganda
Nice autism. How's your buyers remorse going for you?

>Intel shills on full defense panic mode again
TOPKEK. Seems like Kelvin Lake(TM) and X299 are failures and your semitic friends over at Intel are on suicide watch.

>>61090386
>This much asshurt cause he can't source a single benchmark he uses
Imagine being this pathetic you post fake benchmarks on a taiwanese sock puppet forum about computers.

>>61090298 (You)
>good, although ssd is way too small 128 is the bare minimum. also m.2 is a meme.

In no way is 128 the bare minimum. 60 is more than enough just to host the OS, Steam, Origin, and a few school assignments. The board has an m.2 slot so why not use it with the cheapest ssd on partpicker? It's still sata, but it's still way better than using a mechanical.

>>61090371
Okay, buddy. :^)

>>61090407
Meant to quote this
>>61090320

>>61090402
This user paid $350 for a 7700K in January and hasn't been able to sleep since March. :(

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>>61090402
>fake benchmarks
>everything i don't like is fake
Prove me it is. Link me something that proves your point.

>>61090446
>Post benchmarks
>Prove this is fake
I think you might be retarded.

>>61090444
Nah. I actually own a 1600x. I just hate this moron that has repeatedly shit up this thread time and time again. This is the 5th time he has sperged out again.

>>61090465
You've shit up the thread and sperged out more than anybody, and are so paranoid that you've accused at least two other people of being the person you're raging about, solely based on the fact that we think you're retarded too. Because you're not retarded, right? You're the smart one, and the rest of the thread is on your side. They're just not voicing their support because you got this.

>:^)

>>61090517
Hey maybe if you don't like people calling out your bullshit, stop posting bullshit in this thread. It isn't hard faggot.

>>61090465
>I think you might be retarded.
You are. If you can post multiple benchmarks that directly contradict the given one you can prove it's fake.
Instead of doing so you have to call names. Doesn't change the fact that you're the laughing stock of this thread anyways.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VNtWsJ


Any critiques?

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I can't tell what you guyse are arguing about anyway.
This is the PCB thread, not the intelvsAmd flamewar thread.

Please can you keep on point?


GN has officially decreed:

<150$= g4560
150<x>250= r5 1600
>250$= i7 7700k

FOR PURE GAYMEN.

End of.

IF user>20% non gaymen then substitute r7 1700 instead of i7 7700k


Not hard to understand.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-Radeon-GAMING-Graphics-Card/dp/B071CKS8Q5/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1498486478&sr=1-5&keywords=RX580
Why is this one still in stock?

>>61090547
150<x<250* obviously

>>61090539
>Post bullshit benchmark
>Can't post where he gets them from
>Tells others to disprove his benchmark
Like I said, I don't give a fuck about 7700k cause I have a 1600x. But I love shitting on you every time you post your moronic no source benchmarks and then watch you perform mental gymnastics.

>>61090549
>Usually dispatched within 1 to 3 weeks.
That is the next restock preorder

>>61090535
Thinking that everybody who disagrees with you is one entity is a genuine sign of mental illness, anon. But I am going to post that benchmark in every one of these threads now if he... sorry, I... doesn't get there first. Just to make you mad. :^)

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>>61090566
>i j-just pretended to be a retard.. hahaha

>>61090547
>1500x
Change that to a 1400 or a 1600
>$300 1060 3GB
Dell's site is one of the few places you can buy a 1060 6GB at the moment by the looks of it, albiet at $280
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RJyxFT/pny-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-video-card-vcggtx10606pb
>350 Watt PSU
lolno. Change out to an EVGA 500b or EVGA 600 watt white

>>61090601
Don't worry, I will be sure to trigger you every single thread by saying 7700k is better.

r8 my already owned setup

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QLv6f8

been a wip for years now, started with an fx4100 + hd6670 or some shit from a prebuilt.

>>61090547
that is until games start to use more cores such as destiny 2 (well see what they mean by more core usage)
then $250+ = ryzen 7
for a money conscious rig anyways

>>61090621
I own a 2600K, so watching you guys fly into a rage about new CPUs while I carry on enjoying the best CPU ever made doesn't upset me too much. :^)

>>61090619
Fuck meant for >>61090546

>>61090627
>60 dollar webcam
I am curious. Why?

>>61090638
>2600k
>Not 2900k
Come on.

How long til Vega and/or new supply of GPUs hits market?

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>>61090629
I would agree with you if already existing top multithreaded gayms hadn't shown the i7 7700k to outperform the 1700 anyways.

So, it's on a scale so large as to make the argument irrelevant anyway, bc by the time that's common enough, you're looking at ANOTHER upgrade (3-4 years).

We're talking CPUs not retirement plans guys.

>>61089832
>DELET THIS

>>61090641
probably a camwhore

>>61090641
chaturbate side biz

>>61090684
No homo?

>>61090638
My sandyman. I just upgraded from a 2500K to 1700. Feels good man.

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>>61089832
>What games?

Literally every AAA release from the past two years for a starting point. And then you can start going back to the multitude of other titles from before that which run like shit on an i5 compared to an i7. Enjoy counting those on your hands, you inbred mutant.

What gave Intel the right to make the i9's?

>>61090711
>Pushing 144hz at low resolution
Okay. Thanks for helping me make my point.

Any quiet pump for silent cooling recommendations?

>>61090720
You being too retarded to read a graph only serves to confirm that you're the retard here, my friend. A 7600K literally can't even push a locked 30fps in a four year old game. What a joke CPU.

>>61090767
>0.1% low
>On VHH
>Probably with retarded shit like SMAA on
Hurrrrrrrr durrrrrrr. Let me buy an i7 so that my 0.1% low doesn't drop below 60.

>>61090790
Oh, so the argument's changed now, has it? It's not that games don't use more than four threads, it's that you don't care about stuttering or turning down settings, so it doesn't matter.

>retarded shit like SMAA on

SMAA is a post-process anti-aliasing solution, you fucking retard. Did you mean SSAA? Because that would have zero effect on CPU usage either, you tech-illiterate filth.

Can someone make a new thread this has gone to complete shit and is unreadable

>>61090828
>Argument changed
>Pushing 144hz at low resolution
>substantial increase
>Proceeds to provide me with a graph where 0.1% is the issue while pushing 144hz at a low resolution
Must be hard being fucking retarded huh anon?

>>61090844
>Pushing 144hz at low resolution

You cannot push a locked 30Hz at any resolution in a four year old game using an i5. This is a fact. Wildly flailing away, changing the subject and claiming it doesn't matter will not change that fact.

>>61090884
>Muh 0.1%
Kill yourself moron.

>>61090896
I have an i7, so I won't be driven to suicide by stuttering in my games any time soon, anon. I fear for you, however. Stay safe. :(

>>61090884
Oh look a R7 1700X OC can't even push a locked 60Hz at any resolution in a four year old game. And yet morons here in this thread constantly shill the 1600 and 1700.

>>61090913
I don't play at 1080p like a fucking idiot so I doubt my CPU will ever be the bottleneck.

>>61090917
what game

>>61090929
If you own a graphics card that can push more than 25.7fps in a four year old game, your i5 is officially the bottleneck.

>>61090931
>>61090917
Here.
>>61090711
Not saying 1700 is bad but I am making a point that this moron is taking information out of context like 0.1% of an i5-7600k being below 30 FPS so that means it can't push a locked 30 FPS. Which means 1700x can't push a locked 60 FPS as well.

>>61090941
Guess my 1600 is a bottleneck as well. What should I buy intel shill? An i7-7700k?

>>61086064
Just got my Gigabyte Gaming G1 1070 today. It works fine, fans aren't too loud, temps seem fine. There's a decent amount of coil whine when gaming with a 144 Hz monitor, however. Fortunately it's not audible from under the table.

Too lazy to mess with RMA, wouldn't necessarily buy this specific model again, depending on the price. Overall kind of satisfied. Use that info as you wish.

>>61090995
Coil whine is almost always lottery and almost all brands suffer from it. Just type your model + coil whine and you will see people complaining about every single brand.

>>61090952
You're not making any point, you're just making yourself look retarded. Anybody who wasn't a tech-illiterate piece of garbage would look at that graph and notice that the game has a problem with AMD's SMT implementation. The 1700 and 1800X with SMT disabled on there both have lows well above 60fps.

Any Ryzen user can go into their BIOS and turn off SMT to fix performance in that game. How does an i5 user fix their sub-30fps, stuttering mess, other than Amazon to replace their deprecated chip?

>>61090966
You seem to have missed the point of what the argument was about, my dear retard. The original point made was that games use four threads and often more, only for some i5-owning poorfag to become outraged at the thought. I'm the one arguing in favour of CPUs with more threads. My advice to you would be to turn off SMT if you plan Metro: Last Light.

>>61084433
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nRQRtJ

There you go. Run the m.2 ssds in a Raid 0.

>>61090952
Are you stupid? Or trolling?

It's obvious that one single result is due to something on the reviewer's end as the 1800X at stock and 1700@4ghz get 60+ 0.1% fps minimums

Hell the 1700 with SMT off gets 81fps

>>61091018
>you're just making yourself look retarded

Well he's defending the i5 as a viable future gaymen platform so it might be actually the case

>>61091043
>1700
>81 FPS
>In a 4 year old game
You know this isn't helping your argument one bit right?

>>61091017
True and it seems to be fairly common with Pascal series cards.

>>61091060
Please link the post where I said so. If not shut the fuck up. Thanks.

>>61091062
Wow your trolling is really subpar.
that's the 0.1% minimums, the average is 129

0/10 m8 go take a nice walk pls it's a beautiful day outside

>>61091118
>that's the 0.1% minimums
Yeah that is the point you fucktard. That person is also trolling with the 0.1% minimums. Oh so he can do it but when I reframe the argument suddenly I am trolling? Are AMD shills that stupid?

>>61088402
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MG7CQV

This will shave a little more off.

>>61091138
Yea you can't because it makes you look like an absolute retard m8

i5=25fps 0.1% min at best
r7=81fps 0.1% min at worst
i7=95fps 0,1% min at best

On a 4yo game or whatever.

You're making no sense, just give up it's pathetic

>>61091191
>r7=81fps 0.1% min at worst
Give source

>>61091220
>>61091220
>>61091220
New thread

>>61091209
filtered

Maybe youtube comments are more your level m80

>>61091233
>Trust me R7 runs at 81 fps 0.1%
>Trust me
No. R7 runs sub 60 FPS 0.1%. Shit tier CPU.

Is 1.380vcore for a Ryzen 5 1600 normal or is it too much? It's stock.

I haven't touched anything and it seems this is what the mobo is sending to my chip (not at all time though since it seems to be set on adaptive). I'm wondering because my 7700k on stock only asks for 1.164 vcore max.

>>61091736
Yes, that's too much. Undervolt or overlock. Is your board an Asus by any chance?

>>61091798
I answered in the new thread. >>61091899

>>61088009
Yes, there is one stand off I didn't put in but I don't think a single one missing is causing this although I will put it in when I install it back in the case post-caseless testing