/hpg/ - Headphone General

>>61068514
wauw

>>61068514
Nice penguin.

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Give me a headphone that will stop me from using my speakers all the time.

>>61068551
Sennheiser HD 600.

>>61068556
Already have it and it doesn't even compare.

>>61068551
HD600

>>61068551
None.

Good monitors in a well-treated room will almost always BTFO of a vast majority of headphones.

>>61068561
Then nothing will compare to your speakers because the HD 600 is the peak of headphone performance.

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>>61068551
It's funny how people like to say that headphones are more cost effective than speakers but ~$300 (5" woofers) worth of studio monitors absolutely blow most headphones out. Add in a 10" studio sub for another $300 (or don't need it if monitors have 8" drivers) and you get perfect sound for the entire range. Here's FR for some cheap 8" studio monitors.

>>61068625
>that terribly misleading y-axis scale

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>>61068514
Stop trying to exploit my virginity to sell your product.

>>61068625
The thing is headphones will be good regardless of where you are but that's nowhere near the same for speakers. Great speakers in a shitty room will likely be worse than (or comparable to) low-tier headphones.

I do agree with some of what you are saying though. I never understood why people spent more than $1k on headphones when they could just get some godtier speakers like the Adam A7.

Hey, all. Could use a hand.
I'm crawling out from a rock and building myself a PC for the first time in 16 years. I'm looking for a good set of headphones for gaming, but nothing overly fancy.
>Budget: ~100USD (flexible)
>Purpose: Gaming, mostly
>Reqs: Over-the-ear, wired, surround sound

>What do I need for surround sound headphones?
>Do I need a DAC/Soundcard?
>Are built in mics good, or should that be separate?

I know it's silly, but this is important to me, so I would appreciate any advice.

>>61068668
Most people don't live alone, and a lot of people who do live alone have neighbors in the same building.

>>61068674
HD558
For mic, mod it to accept a V-Moda BoomPro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_fd3PzoTeY

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>>61068653
Because that's actually raw data unlike what you get with shitty headphone measurements. Here's more along the lines of what you're used to seeing. Same speakers.

>>61068680
How loud do you expect to crank up your speakers? Unless you live in an apartment complex with paper thin walls, I really don't see why people bring this up so much. I live in an apartment and I have speakers and I've never had any complaints for noise. Obviously I don't turn it up to obscene levels but comfortable listening levels isn't going to have your neighbors want to murder you.

>>61068747
Though if you don't live alone then yeah I understand. That's tough.

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>>61068724
Funny, I don't see 15 to 27 dB deviations between 70 Hz and ~150 Hz on this graph, but I do on >>61068625

>>61068747
I think most people like to crank music up really loud, at the very least for short periods of time, at the very least every now and then, whether it be with headphones or speakers.

>>61068747
It gets a lot harder with a sub or if you want to listen to music later at night.

>>61068674
>What do I need for surround sound headphones?
Razer Surround. It's free.
>but I read it's spyware
Block Synapse in your firewall after creating an account and logging in once. Problem solved.
Do not buy surround headphones. They are all shit. Buy good headphones and use a software solution for surround.

>>61068584
Literally laffin!

>>61068674
>>61068686
Also, HD558 will not need a DAC/Soundcard.

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>tfw the K240DFs I've been using for some seven years started failing last night
Now I need a new pair of headphones and I'm broke.

>>61068686
>>61068901
>>61068970
This looks great, thank you all so much :)

>>61068514
Are speakers allowed here?

>>61068926
Feel free to refute his post.

>>61069617
The burden of proof is on you to prove it's the supposed "peak of headphone performance"

>>61068582
How do I turn my room into a well-treated one?

>>61069591
yes

got my m560, pretty nice, amazing build quality!

>>61069822
Just search google for "acoustic treatment". There's a lot of DIY guide. If you have a lot of money, I'm sure you can even get some pros to do it for you.

>>61068686
>HD558
isnt this discontinued?

>>61070026
Yes, but a lot of resellers still have plenty of stock left. They're much cheaper than they were before they were discontinued, so get 'em while they're hot.

>>61069639
huh, realistically, all it takes is a counterexample to prove false. Can you?

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This is the ideal full-sized headphone. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

>>61070663
Beautiful!

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Idol trash is going to sleep.
What's your setup like, Anon?

>>61068625
I kinda agree with this guy.

I ripped apart the Passive crossover on a pair Tannoy Mx2 a decade ago and drive them with hardware 24 96 behringer digital crossovers and eq and programed my own curves and time correction with a measure mic - nothing comes close - literally a hologram and i resample higher birate rips in real time with j river media centre.

For me - bang for buck open headphones are a meme. Give me proper hifi at home and and 24 bit DAP and Kz iems on the move. Can't ride a bike with cans.

>>61070776
>24 bit meme
>muh monitors

>>61070741
>listens to weeb shit with hd600
what a waste of good headphones.

>>61070876

>24 bit
>meme

Stay mad and hold onto your butt

I just listened to 32bit/768khz in the park thisafternoon...

https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5407471

>>61071010
>not 64 bit
get a load of this pleb

>>61071053
Wow it must be summer time

>one upping an engineer fag

64 bit is for internal processing - flac can't even do 32 bit - .wv wave pack can't do 64bit you fucking nimrod

>>61071010
>32bit
>vinyl which has a theoretical maximum dynamic range of 80dB (more likely closer to 60dB)

:^)

>>61071131
you need a 64 bit cpu to decode 64 bit audio

>>61071199

24bit and higher Vinyl rips sound great because they are often from a pure analogue signal chain with very conservitive mastering - the dynamics aren't hammered to shit like pretty much every modern remaster

This isn't a technical signal noise argument. It's a human factors argument first and second one of pure source availability.

Out side of the big acts you won't find 24 hi def releases of most old material outside of the vinyl rip torrent community. It simply does not exist in an official capacity.

I am approaching 3tb of hi def rips - flac wv ape DSD - it's great - the availability of proper source material makes owning a proper hifi and dap worthwhile

Some people don't get it - like my friend with a megabuck full Naim system. His Naim CD2 power supply was worth more than my car - but it's 16 bit !


This # 1 a human factors argument nuThere are even plenty of unofficial master tape rips out there if you know where to look

>>61071321
Then there's no reason to not use 16bit vinyl rips, especially when the noise floor is a ~maximum~ of 80dB below the signal.

>inb4 'muh dithering'

>>61071245
No. It's not like that. It's internal mathematics so you don't discard information when you digitally chans the volume.

It's great. The 90's was so shit back then If you lowered the volume 6db digitally in a 16 bit space you threw away 1 bit of information. Internal 64bit processing stops this. Best thing to happen to digital audio you probably never have heard about.

T. Signals guy

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>>61070663

I'm looking for a pair of wireless headphones to use with my PS3/4 and PC.
The set should be closed and feature a microphone. Budget is about 100-150€. For the record I have separate headphones for listening to music, so this will be used entirely for video games.

>>61071887
Either the PS4 Gold headset or the Corsair Void Wireless.

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>>61068514
I'm looking for speakers, at the moment I'm looking at Mackie CR3 vs Alesis Elevate 5 which are the same price for in my country (NZ $250). Not keen on going any higher in price. Vendors seem reluctant to post here.

Any suggestions?

Also the mackie's colours suck ass.

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>>61071887
you but dt 770 and a real microphone

I have 250€ to buy an amp/DAC combo. The choices i've already looked at are the O2+ODAC and Schiit stack (non-uber). Either will set me back about 230-260€.
Which one would you recommend or would you even recommend something else? Maybe FiiO, Audioengine or whatever else is there?
Also, do i really need a DAC? My PC probably won't be an issue due to ALC1220 sound chip but my chinkpad will very likely be an issue.
I get this annoying popping noise when (dis)connecting the 3.5 and some headphones like my Monks have retarded static on my laptop whereas on my PC they are dead silent.

anyone interested in DAC1541?

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I am looking for a replacement for the JVC HA-FX35 "Marshmallow" earphones. Anything good sounding in a similar price range would be appreciated. The cable coating has split after a couple years of abuse.

Happy to pay a little extra if braided cables are worth the money. Prefer something that lasts rather than having to replace frequently.

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>>61068514
For years I have been converting any music I acquire into .mp3, including FLAC files. Is it time to get over my autistic obsession with consistency or should I keep going MP3 only?

Suggest me something like Audio-Technica ATH-TAD300, but with external noise isolation. Max price $150. Wired (maybe wireless with little or no latency and an ability to go wired), not in-ear, rock/electronic/alternative music, built-in mic recommended.

>>61073751
give up mp3s, it's time for lossless, harddisk GB/price rises every year.

>>61068514
I want to lick her legs

>>61073751
320kbps is sufficient for everyone.

>>61068674
Dac does help but for 100 headphones not much. A cheap amp would help more but still not needed.

>>61073215
Look at kz for cheap good sound

what do we think about ath-m50x? i got a pair and i'm wondering if it was a good purchase

>>61074164
>ath-m50x
ath-R70x is better

>>61072335
I'd say go with an NFB-11, which is discounted at $299 + shipping for the next week because of the high volume of orders, but that's a bit above your budget. It's superior to even the Schiit stack uber. If you can't afford it, it's worth it to save up a bit more. If you need something right now, go with the standard Schiit stack, Fulla 2, or FiiO E10K. Don't get an O2.

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>>61074164
massive mistake buying the m50x

>>61074253
>NFB-11
That's almost 350€ with shipping, that's 100 more than i planned and i actually don't plan on buying right now, it's rather in 1-2 month after i've been to Berlin to some hifi shops and potentially bough the HD600 or whatever.
It's also my first amp/DAC so idk if it's really necessary to spend this amount of money.
>Don't get an O2.
Why? I only read good reviews about it, desu this is my favourite option because it's smaller size, price and availability (Head'n'HiFi Switzerland). What's wrong with it?

>>61074548
fulla 2, schitt stack or nfb 11 are pretty much endgame tier

anything more is pure placebo

>>61074588
>pretty much endgame tier
>audio-dg
Just read they offer 10 years of warranty. Since when do chinks offer warranty, are thse nips in disguise?
Anyways. I don't plan on getting anything higher than Schiit stack or O2+ODAC or maybe this NFB-11 thing although it's more than i'd like to spend.
Now, what's wrong with the O2?

>>61071010
>>61071053
>Not using a floating point master.
>muh fidelity

>>61074712
They're actually made from nip parts from what I know.

>>61074548
>>61074712
NFB-11 is basically the only solid state amp and DAC you'd ever need for just about any headphone on the market. Or for powered monitors or tube amp you might buy in the future, you can also use it as your dedicated DAC/pre-amp. The way I see it, it's like saving money in the long run. Anything past that price range would probably just be venturing into audiophoolery territory.

If you need something cheaper that you can just replace later on, pick up a Fulla 2 or something similar.

>Now, what's wrong with the O2?

It was okay back when it was designed in 2011, but the design hasn't gone anywhere in the past 6 years and is just a poor choice compared to what you can get around the same price range nowadays.

>>61068547
Those are some really nice...headphones....
I'd be glad to put those beautiful headphones around my head.

>>61072335
Schiit stack. Higher spec'd and much better in reviews.
Also, the options thing in O2 is outright enraging.

Will using this https://www.pccasegear.com/products/27568/d-link-dub-1341-4-port-usb-3-0-hub/ wich a fulla 2 and hd600 be bad?

>>61075440
No. It'll be just fine.
If it was usb2, a non-powered hub might introduce issues if other devices use power.
But usb3? Plenty of power.

>>61074899
Seems they use some Toshiba parts for power etc. but i haven't read or seen anything about nip caps. Should be ok though, after all it's not the PSU i'll OC on.

>>61075084
>The way I see it, it's like saving money in the long run
>past 6 years and is just a poor choice compared to what you can get around the same price range nowadays
Sound reasonable. This limits my choices to the Schiit Fulla 2, Schiit Modi+Magni 2 (still non-uber) and the audio-gd NFB-11 or whatever else is recommended AND available because availability can be an issue in EU compared to US.
IF I was to get the NFB-11 as import from China, are there any upgrades I should consider? They have 6 of them listed here: http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFN1128/NFB1128EN.htm

>>61075437
>the options thing in O2 is outright enraging
What do you mean, hi/lo gain switch?

>>61075521
No. Things like if you want the power to be in the back, you pay extra. Or if you want the thick kind of headphone jack, vs the tiny one.

>>61075521
I was drunk last night and looked into the amp briefly. I'm pretty sure the whole inside is japanese from what I remember. Seems like a great amp either way.

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>>61075521
>IF I was to get the NFB-11 as import from China, are there any upgrades I should consider? They have 6 of them listed

Those 6 "upgrades" you're looking at are actually the improvements over the previous model, which was this: http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFB112014/NFB112014EN.htm

That's also the one I own. Those upgraded parts don't cost extra. The only upgrade you can get for the NFB-11.28 is the one TCXO for the DAC, which you can see if you click "custom option". It's a clock upgrade to reduce jitter, which may or may not be placebo, but it's $20 and might make a slight difference. I got the two TCXOs with mine, I just figured I may as well so I don't have to worry about it later on, but it's up to you.

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>>61075593
True, that's kinda stupid. I'd have to pay 10€ just for the 6.3mm jack, that's retarded.

>>61075642
Don't recognize the caps but the amp and audio-gd seem trustworthy to me. I'm no expert but that's the impression i'm getting.
If no upgrades are required maybe i'll get the NFB-11 although at least 100€ more expensive. This should be the only amp/DAC i'll ever need and with the 10 year limited warranty it should not die on me and if it does i have the warranty.

>>61075861
>are actually the improvements over the previous model
Figured as much. The chink english and the 97USD for the 2nd one confused me quiet a bit.
Agree on the $20(18€) upgrade. If i'm going to spend this amount i can spend some 20 bucks more at that point. I'll still have to decide between this and the Schiit stack. It's over 100€ with shipping and 19% VAT. Fuck those EU kikes, import taxes are theft.
Just curious, what headphones do you have or are you using with your NFB (>inb4 HD600)?
Also, source on pic, please?

>>61070414
>Still no proof
Lmao. Now quit shilling, silly goy!

>>61075084
>It was okay back when it was designed in 2011, but the design hasn't gone anywhere in the past 6 years and is just a poor choice compared to what you can get around the same price range nowadays.
Unless the hearing ability of the human ear has changed, the O2/ODAC should still be transparent. Suggesting you can hear a difference between that and any other transparent DAC/amp is audiophoolery.

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Phillips SHP9500 is on sale for $50. I really don't need it I have a DT990 and HyperX cloud but its so tempting. Great deal for anyone that needs budget headphones though

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826138190&ignorebbr=1&cm_sp=HomePage_HOT-_-P1_26-138-190-_-06252017

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the pads on my k240 are starting to wear off, what replacements does /g/ recommend?

>>61076236
Those sound better than DT990. It actually has midrange. Also obviously better than your shitty retard gaming headset.

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>>61071446
beyersremorse

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>>61076825
takstar pro 80s are great headphones and dt990s($120) sound better than everything at $200 and under. You should try to not be so angry!

>>61076862
>takstar pro 80s are great headphones and dt990s($120) sound better than everything at $200 and under.
huehuehue

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>he bought ~$100 headphones
>they're not the ISK HD-99999999
laugh
everyone point and
laugh

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Can anyone tell me the huge listening difference between an audio interface and a DAC? I know the DAC might offer more headroom/volume, but if volume is not an issue for you already, would it even be worth getting a DAC if you already have a good audio interface? At their core they are similarly constructed right?

>>61074106
> If found quality problems please don't directly comment on the difference after the purchase, or it will not be any after sale service.
well i'm convinced.

>>61076953
If the interface is transparent, then you don't need a separate DAC. The headphone out on them is generally shit though so I'd still take the line outs to a headphone amp.

>>61077333
>transparent

What does that mean?

>>61077363
No audible coloration. As in "pure" sound.

>>61076831
Lmao. Your shilling isn't subtle, anon.

>>61076889
>niggerbass and giant treble dildo
>better than everything at $200 and under
KSC75 sound better than DT990.

>>61072279
>usb mic
>real microphone

Anyone knows anything about the Pioneer SE-MS5T? I ordered one for $50, still can cancel though. I tried one out at a store and sounded good for me but I am not an expert and I have no idea if is there anything better for the money.

https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-High-Resolution-Headphone-Brown-SE-MS5T-T/dp/B01MQJU04B

>>61077551
Is /hpg/ the designated shitposting general?

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>>61075997
>It's over 100€ with shipping and 19% VAT. Fuck those EU kikes

That sucks, but you'd at least still be getting your money's worth out of it at that point if you can afford it. Maybe you're better off getting something cheaper like a Fulla 2 and saving up a while for it so you don't go broke, that way you'd also have something more portable to take with you.

>Just curious, what headphones do you have or are you using with your NFB
HD650

>source on pic, please?
Coffee-Kizoku

>>61076229
I didn't quite like what I heard when I tried it out compared to a Schiit uber stack. Something sounded off about it. It's not bad, but I don't think it's good either. Somewhere in-between. Maybe I'm wrong about it, but I can't personally recommend it.

i have a pair of B&W DM601 S2's and they're pretty fucking mint (guy who sold them to me fell for the Biwiring meme). Anyway, I've had my sennheiser hd518s for over 2 years now, and the pads are sort of sticky and shiny (velour rubbed off or something, fucking shit material) and i feel like upgrading. So, should i get fidelio x2 or hd 650s for metalcore?

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>>61077702
You may subjectively prefer niggerbass and a giant treble dildo but the KSC75 objectively provide a more balanced sound than the DT990.

>>61077685
Plus:
I couldn't try out the ATH-M20x suggested in the general, but tried a 50x before and it was small for be, but the Pioneer was much bigger more comfortable.

I am only targeting closed over ear designs around $50, will drive without amp

>>61077821
Glad you understand sound as being subjective :)

>>61075997
>the amp and audio-gd seem trustworthy to me. I'm no expert but that's the impression i'm getting.
Just keep in mind audio companies are 99.9% marketing.
I'm resting on the paranoid side regarding audio-gd and nfb-11. They don't have much of a reputation yet, good or bad. Need more reviews, more third party confirmations.

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>>61077685
plus2: The linked reviewer claims the it has the same drivers as the Pioneer HRM-5 which is around $100

pic: HRM-5 's freq response

https://medium.com/@Xander51/pioneer-se-ms5t-headphone-review-hrm-5-drivers-jammed-into-a-cheaper-body-4c49b03fec5d

Budget:150
Location:USA
Type of headphone:full size
Source:motherboard
Open or closed:closed
Sound signature:neutral
Comfort level:7 or 8/10
Thank you!

>>61077734
It's not like the NFB-11 will break my bank, it's just that i have roughly 1.7k to spend on amp/DAC, headphones, Vega/Volta GPU and 1440p monitor so that i need to manage my budget.
Maybe VAT is already included, i'd have to ask chinks. DHL usually charges VAT but if it's some kind of priority line maybe they can bypass the jewtax.

>Coffee-Kizoku
Lovely artwork. Thought it's maybe from some anime? I'd really like an anime with her as main character.

>>61077925
Looks like audio-dg was established in 2004, that's not really that long but i've seen some reviews etc. on their stuff and seems to be fine.
The internals of the NFB-11 look impressive, too. In fact if you compare it to O2 internals the O2 seems like a $10 DIY training kit off aliexpress.

Anyone ever try the HD800/S? or even the hd700? are they even worth the price.

>>61078034
No, they're overpriced crap.

>>61078000
>1.7k€ budget
I suggest you focus most of it on getting a good 1440p screen (the few new freesync2 screens is where I'd start looking) and good headphones (automatic HD600 with your budget).
amp/dac aren't as important, but I'd go with the schiit uber stack or the jotunheim, with nfb-11 (assuming you're willing to take a bit of a risk, as it's still somewhat unknown) as an alternative.
The O2/ODAC are cool on paper, particularly the open hardware fact, but most reviews I've seen place it below the cheap schiit or otherwise say there's something off about it.

>>61078034
>HD800/S
nonS is flawed with some horrible resonance issue that's unfixable with EQ.
S has a very different FR.
Both are well loved. Supposedly very comfortable and EQ friendly in general, but as-is they're less neutral and worse than the HD600. They are very expensive, so value is going to be shit compared to the good HD600.
>HD700
Near universally hated, but people who like it swear by it. Not neutral. I suggest to simply avoid.
>HD650
Colored HD600 for the riffraff. Similar price, more similar than different FR. Most reviewers prefer the more neutral HD600.

>>61078077
>but most reviews I've seen place it below the cheap schiit or otherwise say there's something off about it.
Don't listen to reviewers, only measurements matter.
>>61078140
The 'resonance' can be fixed with EQ.

>>61078077
Oh, and when vega appears, look at the variants, particularly there's going to be some vega that has higher performance/cost and some vega that has higher performance/watt. They might even both be the same card. That's the one to get.
Don't be a fool like most gamers that simply go for the most powerful card ignoring everything else. That extra performance would make little difference now, even less if at all in the future. The spent money, however, could have best been saved or spent on getting a better screen.

Are there any devices that can't handle or play FLAC still?

>>61078077
I've planned 1.0-1.1k for Vega + 1440p Freesync2 monitor, 299€ onHD600 or equivalent and maximum of 300€ on amp/DAC. From what i know there will be multiple SKUs and i'll be getting the medium one, that's usually the price/perf sweet spot i'm aiming for.
All of this will make me a poorfag for some time, but since i'll have nothing left of what i want afterwards that's fine. I can only hope buyers remorse won't hit me but it's now or never.
I'm not getting younger and the fucking kike government plans on raising VAT from 19% to 25% and IWF/IMF wants to synthetically induce inflation to Germany so fuck that. Gotta buy shit while my money is still worth more than the paper it's printed on.

>>61078187
>Don't listen to reviewers, only measurements matter.
To the contrary, as long as the measurements are good enough to confirm it meets specification and doesn't suck (i.e.: some major flaw), then the actual specs and feature set, and the subjective experience, do matter.
Else, don't waste your money on nfb-11/jotunheim nonsense, just grab something cheap like a fulla2 or a dac-x6 that measures well enough.
>measurements, facts!
Balanced is superior in paper. It doesn't mean it's a must, or that it even makes any sense in a headphone setting with a couple meters of cable.

>>61078187
>The 'resonance' can be fixed with EQ.
As I understand it, it's not instantaneous shit, but rather, a certain frequency makes something inside the headphones resonate. You could EQ a dip there, but you'd get a dip in the FR (which is bad) and it would STILL ring afterwards, just less loudly.

>>61078315
High-Q dips are typically inaudible when listening to anything but a sine wave generator.

>>61069835
Any experience you guys have with the amazonbasics speakers?

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>>61068514
I know people like to shit on wireless headphones, but these + EAPO bass boost are fucking amazing for the price ($80). Battery life is really good so far, they're comfortable, insanely light, and the sound quality is really good.

Listening to Broccoli with these on is great.

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I don't know if this thread will be receptive to such a question but I really didn't want to make my own thread.

What kind of microphones do you guys use? I was looking at the audio technica at2020 but when I research this people say to go with the blue yeti instead.

Well /g/ what mic to go with?

>>61078246
>Vega

hahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Are there any headphones comparable to AKG702s with very little sound leak?

>>61078971
Apple's earbuds.

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>get m100s, good for tha bass you know

>they are really durable, built like a tank

i got memed

>>61068514
>Budget:150
>Location:USA
>Type of headphone:full size
>Source:motherboard
>Open or closed:closed
>Sound signature:neutral
>Comfort level:7 or 8/10
>Thank you!

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>>61078937
I'm waiting for Vega, too.
:^)

>>61078937
Intlel BTFO'd. Nvidayy is next ;)

Idol trash here. How are we doing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0slpDhXGOpg
Damn I love my HD600.

>>61079276
intlel got EPYC rekt and threadripped. Zen much. Ayy.

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>>61078937
>>61079222

>>61079358
Going to be worth it, goy! Ryzen delivered ;)

>>61079358
>the wait never ends
Is said of everything AMD announces. Yet:
>polaris happened
>ryzen happened
>epyc happened
Next is Vega and Threadripper. After that the APUs.
As someone who put five digits into NASDAQ:AMD at $4, I can't help but lol at the naysayers.

>>61078971
MSR7
>>61079154
Stop sitting on your headphones

>>61079409
I really hope Vega completely BTFOs Nvidia but god help us if Vega is good for mining.. dark times ahead.

>>61079480
>Stop sitting on your headphones
I took them off my head

>>61079542

You're meant to use both hands anon otherwise the shearing force will ruin your day.

>>61079560
he can't do that while fapping

>>61079579

Then he needs either to 1) finish before taking headphones off or 2) get speakers.

>>61079613
headphones are shit anyway, you are always better off killing yourself

>Budget
100 euros
>Location
Finland, Helsinki
>Source
Bluetooth for phone
>Type of headphone
Comfy so I can use them in gym or outside.
>Open or closed
Dunno
>Comfort level
85/100
>Sound signature
I usually listen more heavy music, heavy rap and some cloud shit.
>Past headphones
AKG K518 RIP, after that chinese piece of shit from AliexPress for 15 bucks, comfy as fuck, but horrible sound.

>>61079639
Don't say that, anon. He'll get LSR305's and trip on the RCA's then be back here saying speakers are trash.

>>61079665
Found that chinese shit https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-New-OEM-Sports-Wireless-Stereo-Bluetooth-Headset-A2DP-Music-For-Mobile-phone-Motorola-T909S/360583787.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.QyFxol

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>>61079684
>LSR305
Why are they so god tier?

>>61079731
they are ugly

>>61079751
It's a small price to pay for the best sound below $1K/pair.

>>61068514 (OP)
>Budget:150
>Location:USA
>Type of headphone:full size
>Source:motherboard
>Open or closed:closed
>Sound signature:neutral
>Comfort level:7 or 8/10
>Thank you!

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These are way too bassy, may as well be closed

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I remember falling for the Headphone me me two years ago which ended up in me getting a 7506. gotta say I'm glad I did.

Thanks /g/. I love all of you motherfuckers.

>>61079731
>AT2020
>R5
>U2415M
Mah nigga.
>dat collection and setup
How did i end up on Pornhub again?

>>61079880
P2715Q, not U2415M, also I've since scrapped the Define S for my new build

>>61079903
>P2715Q
Oh well.. they look so similar.
>my new build
R7 1700 @3.9GHz i hope, don't you go Jewtel on me.

>>61079981
1800X @ 3.95GHz with stock voltage, the voltage increase I need to get it to 4GHz is just stupid.

>>61079854
If you physically remove the rear grill they'll probably sound exactly like HD598s, as they have the same driver. The extra bass on those comes from sound reflecting off the rear grill.

>>61079731
Where did you get your desk? I need a wider desk like that.

>>61079999
>those quads of approval
The mighty gods smile uppon thy face, mortal. Seriously, you autistic weeb fag made me really jelly. Really good motivation to learn for my exams, finish college and spend all my hard earned shekels on obsolete hardware, audiophoolery and waifu collection.

>>61080087
Some business was selling a few on an auction site so I picked it up for $20 and a few years later spent about $50 on some vinyl wrap for the top to get the wooden aesthetic.

>>61080004
probably, but in all honesty i should've have to, they're pretty muddy and they're meant to be the more "balance" version of the 500 series.

>>61080170
>and they're meant to be the more "balance" version of the 500 series
They're not meant to be more balanced than the HD558 or HD598. That's why they're cheaper.

>>61080226
definitely, but they're twice the price. I'm currently looking at the superluxes 668B, they sound interesting.

>>61079485
>god help us if Vega is good for mining...
If they sell like pancakes, that helps economies of scale, and AMD stock price value.

>>61068514
what's the best headphone out there that doesn't necessarily need an amp/dac?

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Best white speakers?

>>61080532
HD558/598

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>>61079731
>awesome setup.
I see a lot of good taste there. Labelless keyboard, takagaki kaede figurine, lsr305, HD800, mic (forgot name, but it's a decent one), computer case (is that a define mini like mine or some other fractal design?).
What country are you based on, Anon?

memes aside, how do the HiFiman HE-400I compares against the HD600?

>>61080674
>How do the (insert full-size open headphones here) compare against the HD600?
Inferior.

>>61080518
I have the 668B. Holy fuck do I miss my 681. 668B bass extension is ass and needs a big bass bump below 50Hz to come closer to neutral. Stock pads are ass. My baby head didn't feel like they clamped hard enough for a consistent seal so I bent the bars in on top a bit. New pads is always an improvement on these. Just get SHP9500's and call it a day.

>>61080674
Poorly. And that's ignoring even the hefty price.
If you are lucky and not get DoA, that is.

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>>61080568

>>61080640
>Labelless keyboard
Nah there are labels on the keys they're just black so they're subtle. Stock Realforce ones. Thankfully they're PBT.
>takagaki kaede figurine
Wifey
>HD800
Since replaced with the HD6XX
>mic (forgot name, but it's a decent one)
AT2020USB
>computer case (is that a define mini like mine or some other fractal design?)
It was a Define S, since replaced with the Evolv ATX from Phanteks
>What country are you based on, Anon?
New Zealand

My amplifier (SA50, I fell for the meme) has noticeable imbalance between left and right at low volumes. Is it dumb to lower the digital volume and turn up the amp so that the overall volume is the same?

>>61081195
Should have bought the SA60 for the digital attenuation

>>61080674
the only good hd600 alternative is dt880

it's bright but the fr is smooth and can be easily corrected with eq, other solutions are straight up shit

>>61081213
Yeah but too late now. My question is, am I causing a signal loss somehow?

>>61081238
Digital volume control lowers signal to noise ratio.

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>>61080816
Cool, thanks for bothering to answer :)

Give me one valid reason to buy the HD600.

Invalid reasons:
>"neutrality"/FR
EQ can make most headphones neutral.
>comfort
Death clamp Stockholm syndrome.
>build quality
*snap*

Give me just one valid reason. All I'm asking.

>>61079289
Oh god it's you again. Stop trying to convert me you absolute bastard.

>>61081342
Makes sense. At -32dB the balance is acceptable, and after rewatching Monty's explanation of audio, I'm not too concerned of the signal loss.

>>61081587
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rQ0peFJihE
You should be honest to yourself and just do what you like, Anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2k39g_0sWI

>tfw your headphones start to lose sound in one ear unless in a certain position
>rabbit also just bit through my microphone cable instantly this morning

>>61081793
DELET THIS.

Seriously though, the others from that game are more appealing to me, both visually and audibly for some reason. Probably the frame rate and audio quality. God knows.

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>>61081483
>death clamp
2.5N is death clamp? You're retarded.
>snap
Doesn't prove anything.

>>61081970
>he can't give even a single valid reason
kek

>>61081483
You're correct that the HD600 is not a smart purchase for those who know how to properly EQ headphones, but most don't and aren't willing to spend the considerable time to learn how. It's a great purchase for this majority. If you know how to and are willing to properly EQ headphones I cannot give you a valid reason to buy it. It's a neutral headphone for those without the know-how and/or willingness to EQ properly.
The clamp and snapping headbands can both be remedied by, upon first purchase, extending the earcups all the way and bending the now exposed metal parts in a way which moves the earcups away from each other. This will relieve clamping pressure and relieve the amount of stress placed on the headband when putting the headphones on and wearing them, preventing headband stress fractures.
It's also worth noting that, unlike most headphones, the HD600 is completely modular and every single replacement part of it can be obtained from Sennheiser.

>>61081483
I mean if magic EQ is so good, just buy some $5 crap from your nearest store and EQ them, no need to bother with any more expensive, better headphone at all.

>>61081483
Your EQ won't make your headphone sound the same as the hd600. That's why, you fucking pleb.

>>61082010
>You're correct that the HD600 is not a smart purchase for those who know how to properly EQ headphones, but most don't and aren't willing to spend the considerable time to learn how. It's a great purchase for this majority. If you know how to and are willing to properly EQ headphones I cannot give you a valid reason to buy it. It's a neutral headphone for those without the know-how and/or willingness to EQ properly.
So, you could say... the HD600 is for riff-raff? Kek.

>>61082010
Jesus, you sound like a literal paid shill for Sennheiser.

>>61082029
>>61082035
HD600 shills are the ones who constantly parrot the EQ meme. I'm merely using their own logic against them.

>>61082035
I can EQ almost any headphone with an available credible frequency response measurement to sound better than an HD600. The process is rather time-consuming, though.
>>61082029
Comfort, soundstage and build quality are good reasons to pay more than $5 for a headphone to apply EQ to. The SHP9500 seem to me to be an ideal poorfag EQ candidate with their comfortable earpads and good build quality, complete with non-proprietary detachable cable.

>>61080568
Yamaha HS5

>>61082072
>I can EQ almost any headphone with an available credible frequency response measurement to sound better than an HD600. The process is rather time-consuming, though.

LMAO

>HD600 shills are the ones who constantly parrot the EQ meme. I'm merely using their own logic against them.

I don't come here most days but I've never seen that? if the 600 needed an eq in the first place it wouldn't be so popular.

>>61081874
Yeah, well, anime's 24-30fps and typically doesn't even use the full motion range, by not moving everything every frame. Whereas the games are 60fps, cel-shaded.
But, there's also this. WARNING: Possible "point of no return" stuff. Continue at your own risk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NV06VXCkkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sywUxZEqKlc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZVj1_xBxdU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAZdCvcyQ2Y

>>61082145
Whenever anyone brings up the poor sub-bass response, you'll always get a couple of faggots going "b-b-but you can just EQ it!" or even better "it doesn't matter to me so it shouldn't matter to anyone!!!1!one"

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>>61080568
q acoustics 3020

>>61082162
First of all, you sound incredibly mad about the 600 and it's owners. Second of all, you can add sub bass to the 600 to 'improve' it in that way. It doesn't need any kind of eq, but even with a sub bass eq done properly it still sounds better than any other headphone that costs under $500.

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>>61081970
Is that stretching supposed to be impressive

>>61082239
>in b4 he claims inaudible and euphonic second order harmonic bass distortion is audible and non-euphonic

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>>61082261
>this kills the chink plastic HD 600/650

>>61082239
>i say HD600 shills always come by and say some dumb shit
>HD600 shill comes by and says some dumb shit
Like clockwork.

>>61082281
Get new pads

>>61082315
shit taste all round

>>61081998
My intention was never to give you a reason, just debunking your 'clamp' and 'snap' shitposting.

The snapheiser thing is just propaganda at this point, shitposters can take some pictures of broken headphones and make them seem like they have some major build quality flaw. The same thing is done for Beyers here >>61076831.

The popular trio (K702, DT880, HD600) are all built well, it's just a matter of what listeners prefer.

>>61082146
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NV06VXCkkk [Embed]
Boring as fuck.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sywUxZEqKlc [Embed]
Actually not bad and not fake.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZVj1_xBxdU [Embed]
Boring as fuck.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAZdCvcyQ2Y [Embed]
Sounds fake as fuck.

>>61081970
Lmao. Everytime someone mentions HD 600s snapping, some autist posts this image. Find another image, or at least do it to your own and post it here.

>>61082514
>fake
No "playback" nonsense here, Anon. Japan has some standards. This is not fucking eurovision.
Lots of makeup, however.

>>61082542
https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-Open-Back-Professional-Headphone/dp/B00004SY4H

Look at all these reviewers complaining about their HD600s snapping. Literally sudden headphone snap syndrome (SHSS). One guy even looked at his HD600 and it literally snapped right before his eyes. What fucking garbage headphones.

>caring about idols with seiyuus who can't sing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLQ58JdIAAs

>>61082568
4th really sound like playback though and will all that synthetic icon shit going on to milk those desperate otaku betas i don't even blame them, it's good business.

>>61082576
>Drops HD 600s
>Snaps from air resistance

>>61078928
>amazonbasics speakers?
I already had an audio interface and went with the 2020 with an XLR cable, it's good, no problems. Friend has a Yeti and it's also good. As for the 2020USB vs Yeti, i'm not sure.

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>tfw i've owned the 650s for almost 6 years now and I still love them
Does it really get much better?
>inb4 HD 600s
I listen to a lot of techno

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>>61082514
>Actually not bad and not fake.
asami imai, aka mingosu, acting as chihaya here.
She's among the best seiyuu-idols.
>>61082610
>seiyuu can't sing
Sometimes real, sometimes intentional (acting), seiyuu-idols do get considerably better over time.
Onegai cinderella was one of the very first im@s cinderella girls songs released.

>>61082656
HD650 are better than the 600, don't listen to shitposters

>>61082700
>Sometimes real
insert Maaya Uchida http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm29205055?access_from=video_error&from=75

I guess it isn't fair to do a duo with the final boss of Cinderella Girls

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>>61082576
>he reads amazon reviews
Lmaoing at ur lyfe, faggit.

>>61082315
>Kumiko
10/10
>HD598
10/10
>SE215, M40x
5/10

>>61082706
>HD650 are better than the 600
For Tyrone.

>>61082755
For anyone who wants some form of bass to exist in their headphones

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>>61082737
>M40x
>5/10
???

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>>61082755
>hurr durr bass = rap
kys

>>61082706
>don't listen to shitposters
Read: Don't listen to anybody else, don't research! You might discover that I'm wrong!
>HD650 are better than the 600
While HD650 are also good, stating HD650 is better is:
Objectively wrong: HD600 are the more neutral of the two.
Subjectively (excluding your own experience) wrong: A little investigation will reveal most reviewers who tried both prefer HD600.

>>61082806
>HD600 are the more neutral of the two.
Missing a significant portion of the frequency response does not make them 'more neutral'

Also HD650 have a smoother midrange without a bump in the vocal frequency range which is an incredibly inaccuracy and the reason why most sound engineers use the 650 and not the 600.

>>61082755
Come one, anon. Some of us want at least have bass exist in our lives.

>>61082656
They're too similar. HD600 is more neutral, HD650 is warmer. They are so similar that people who say one is shit and the other is good are shitposters that have never tried both.
>>61082806
Can you fuck off with the 'muh reviewers'. It's personal preference. Now kill yourself.

>>61082817
>sound engineers
No respectable sound engineer uses open headphones. I work in this industry. The only headphones that are used are closed back headphones for live monitoring, some popular examples: MDR-7506, HD280, M50x, etc.

>>61082817
>Missing a significant portion of the frequency response does not make them 'more neutral'
Wtf are you talking about, anon?
The HD600 has well balanced bass, midrange and treble.
The HD650 has more bass (muh bass), slightly more midrange (which makes it more forward but worse), less treble (which is why they're considered dark headphones).

>>61082859
HD600 has no bass, what the fuck are you talking about

>>61082859
>Well balanced bass
Kek. Do people like you actually believe this?

>>61082806
You can EQ 650s to 600s very easily. 650s aren't ugly ass. Therefore 650s are better.

>>61082859
>slightly more midrange (which makes it more forward but worse)
Now you're embarrassing yourself with how objectively wrong you are.
>less treble (which is why they're considered dark headphones).
This is 2017 not 2007.

>>61082859
Not him, but no.

The HD650 has a slight shelf from 2kHz onwards. Bass rolloff is the same, but how we perceive sound makes it appear to have more bass.
>>61082877
>>61082889
HD600 has good bass response. Does more than most bookshelf speakers. Most of the bass you hear in music is at the upper bass anyway.

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"HD600 are more neutral than HD650"
When will shills stop lying to justify having the worse model because they couldn't afford the upgraded version?

FR doesn't even take into account the lower distortion of the 650 due to better drivers.

>>61082902
>Bass
>HD 600s
Holy shit, anon! This can't be reeeeeeaaaal!

>>61082893
I can EQ my $5 panasonics to sound better than HD600/HD650... your point being?
>>61082908
>rtings compensation curve
tyrone pls

>>61082877
>literally no bass!
http://graphs.headphone.com/index.php?graphID%5B0%5D=573&graphID%5B1%5D=853&graphID%5B2%5D=&graphID%5B3%5D=&scale=30&graphType=0&buttonSelection=Update+Graph
2-4dB difference. 2dB in muh sub-bass.
Like, wtf anon. No bass? Shut up.

>>61082913
Exactly my point. FR doesn't matter according to you so headphones should be judged on looks/comfort alone.

>>61082913
>DF curve
I don't know how you can live listening to sine sweeps all day and no actual music

I guess it's because real music is unlistenable with the 600 due to their inaccuracies

>>61082908
>because they couldn't afford the upgraded version?
HD600 and HD650 cost virtually the same, Anon.
Cut on the drugs, they are bad for you.

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>>61082915
Literally no bass!!

>>61082934
>HD600 and HD650 cost virtually the same
Yes the difference is so minor it's a wonder how people can buy with such a lack of research and knowledge that they'd pick up the HD600.

This is what happens when you let r/headphones tell you what to buy

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>HD600 have no bass
"No."

>>61082965
HD600 has too much bass in fact.

t. ER-4S owner who appreciates true neutrality.

>>61082965
>cherrypicked graphs with shit compensation curves

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Where can i get a replacement cable for the Beyerdynamic T5P? Beyerdynamic wants to charge $120 for it, which is a fucking ripoff.

http://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/shop/audiophile-connection-cable-3-0-m-textile.html

Lmao. Why do HD 600 shills go on full damage control whenever bass is mentioned? Do they not understand the limitations of their headphones?

>>61082975
If by "true neutrality" you mean "true garbage".

>>61082976
the same can be said about:
>>61082949
>>61082908

>>61082955
>HD600
More neutral, sound good plugged into anything, no need for EQ (this is the main reason for me, vs every other headphone @ market)
>HD650
Better cable, different visual appearance (I prefer HD600's but most people like 650's for some reason), less neutral (so unlike HD600 they need EQ). Respond worse to EQ.

>>61082975
This. ER4S is THE standard for a balanced sound signature and HD600s sound significantly bassier than ER4S (yet are still the most balanced sounding open dynamics). "No bass" is a lie.

>>61082991
No it can't, literally every other graph on the internet shows the bass lacking on the HD600. Posting an outlier doesn't make it valid.

>>61082994
But the HD600 need EQ, they are not neutral

>>61083002
>retarded ear dildos
>good
When will this meme die

>>61082989
Bass is not a problem in the HD600.
>>61083002
That is correct.
>>61083021
They are neutral for full-sized headphones, other examples include SRH-1440, MDR-V6, etc.

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>>61082965
ER4S for comparison. This bass response is clearly measured properly so one can assume the bass response of >>61082965 is also measured properly. Seal variations and different compensation curves are responsible for varying measurements of HD600 bass.

>>61082290
You actually think that you can make a headphone sound like any other purely with an EQ. Please have some awareness the next time you call someone dumb.

>>61082989
Because they don't know what bass sounds like

>>61083029
ER-4S is literally the best non-speaker device that money can buy. Stay mad, cuck.

>>61083040
Nope, I'm only reiterating claims made by HD600 shills.

>>61082949
>literally no bass
Anons already shown you it has bass
>>61082915
>>61082949
If HD600 had no bass, then HD650 would objectively have no bass either. Just 2-4dB difference in response, Anon.

>>61082759
Yeah, throughout the whole range to muddy your shit up. The sub bass difference feels tiny. The 600's are warm enough as it is.

>>61083055
>cuck
>lets etyrone rape his ear holes every night
>calls others cucks

>>61083074
>can't handle some deep insert IEMs

You're a pussy.

>>61083021
>But the HD600 need EQ, they are not neutral
They're the most neutral non-fucked full sized headphones.
If you can get away without EQ on some headphones, the HD600 would be these headphones.

>>61083068
Literally lmaoing at your no-bass headphones

>actually engaging the Snapheiser guy

>>61083092
>If you can get away without EQ on some headphones
You can't

>>61083088
No, you're the pussy cause you're the one getting his holes filled.

>>61083104
>Actually getting visually irritated by snap posting
>Snap posting is one guy
Kek

>>61083068
It's 'just' a 2-4dB difference when it's convenient for you, but when it's the HD650 it makes them complete garbage

Face it, less bass is worse than less treble., especially when the lower treble on the 650 is even less than 2-4dB

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>>61082965
The HD650's reduced treble response compared to the HD600 is far more responsible for it sounding darker than the HD600 than its very slightly boosted bass.

>>61082949
>>61082965
>dat low end roll off
Doesn't that mean that the HD600 have virtually no sub-bass and are mid-bass centric that usually muddies the sound signature? How precise is the bass on them, possible to seperate each note or is it more like a clutter of bass?
t. someone who considers to buy the HD600

>>61083123
You're a pussy because you can't handle deep insert IEMs. I bet you've never done something that gives you discomfort in your life. You're probably a flat slob that has never exercised.

Even so, the Etymotics are not uncomfortable, many tip choices and aftermarket solutions. They are objectively the best non-speaker listening device.

>>61083145
Holy shit, I thought that was a comparison graph but it was actually just the two channels. You'd think they'd have learned from the HD600 but nope. Sennheiser is a fucking joke.

>>61083162
The HD 600s bass is more like texture than anything. Not much, but it's still there.

>>61083162
mid-bass is more of a boom if anything

lower midrange is what muddies the sound

hd600 isn't muddy

>>61083178
>youre a pussy because you value comfort in headphones
This is how retarded you have to be to buy etymotic meme garbage.

>>61083195
>meme garbage
You seem analy irritated. You fine, anon? What headphones do you own?

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>>61082965
>>61083162
>-2.5 dB difference between 20 Hz and 1,000 Hz after compensation
>30 Hz and 1,000 Hz are even
The sub-bass response is fine.
>and are mid-bass centric that usually muddies the sound signature?
A little. The only open dynamics I'm aware of without a midbass boost are the Audio Technicas, like the AD700 and AD900, and this comes at the cost of ACTUALLY having no sub-bass at all. With open dynamics you either have boosted midbass or absolutely zero subbass.
>How precise is the bass on them
As precise as you can get with an open dynamic while still preserving subbass response.

>>61083208
Nope, just calling it like it is. Oh, and HD600s.

>>61083179
A sample size of one sure says a lot about quality control.

>muh bass

when did /hpg/ get darker? is it the influx of /r/headphones?

>>61083211
For phoneposters this is an AD700 measurement; I should have specified. 4chan needs to show phoneposters filenames by default.

>>61083219
modern senns have GOD-LIKE channel matching

https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/MassdropHD6XX.pdf

>>61083217
>HD 600 owner getting mad over a pair of in-ear dildos
Kek!

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Is the Massdrop x Sennheiser HD6XX worth $250? Looking for something that's more neutral as well as more comfortable for long continuous use.

Pic related is my current gear.

>>61083128
>less bass is worse than less treble
Less neutral is worse than more neutral.
>literally no bass
HD600 would be more neutral (and better) if they had a little less bass than they do. Literally too much bass.
>but I like bass
EQ your bass up. HD600 will work better for you than other headphones even if what you want is niggerbass.

>>61083221
>t. HD 600 supporter

>>61083258
t. Tyrone

>>61083242
>le u mad bro
Subhuman ear fetishist continues to exhibit symptoms of low functioning autism.

>>61083240
Interesting; comparing the HD6XX and the HD650 IF measurements, the HD6XX has both less subbass and less treble. That's unexpected.

>>61083245
HD 600s can't even come close to niggerbass territory. In fact, it can't even come close to having bass at all!

>>61083263
>>61083263
>>61083263
>>61083263
>>61083263
>>61083263
New thread.

>>61083243
if you're willing to wait 6+ months to get them, yes

>>61083269
Lmao. Go back to you no bass snap cans

>>61083282
>literally no bass!
You've been shown wrong using facts (objective measurements) several times, in this thread and in several older threads.
Take a good and hard look into your life, Anon. It might not all be lost for you, but you won't get anywhere in life if all you do is shitpost in 4chan.

>>61083318
Kek. No bass shills please go!

>>61083309
Lol! At least I'm not diddling my ears you freak

>>61083338
At least you admitted, you no bass goon ;)

>>61083380
Er4s has less bass tardlord

>>61083395
No bass is no bass, no matter the phone, silly anon :)

>>61083413
You're the no bass here, silly goose ;)

>>61083423
Maybe not. I don't own HD 600s :/

What are some good earbuds under $100 that aren't chinkshit like kz

>>61083882
Go to the new thread
>>61083285

>>61068798
Is this bait? He literally said the first image is raw data, but the second image is what 'more along the lines of what you're used' to with 'shitty headphone measurements'.
The data you're used to seeing is smoothed out

whats the best headphones for listening to asmr

>>61084438
There's a new thread