/pcbg/ PC Building General

Why dont they make nice big monitors? A 40in is perfect size. Can they just not keep input lag down? Why does everyone want to play on a 24in monitor?

I think my GPU just died, a Vapor-X HD 7970 6G. When it's connected my pc won't start, and the mother board gives me error b2, Legacy Option ROM Initialization.any way too fix this, or do I have to buy a new one?

>>61042653
buy a tv then

which cpu, mb, ram and gpu combo should i get for 300-350eur?

>>61042669
just get a 560 or 1050ti and wait for vega/volta

>>61042670
tv dont post response time/input lag.

>>61042698
No way to fix it, I guess?

When it comes to case fans, do you all use a fixed speed or pwm for exhaust? What about intake?

>>61042688
what country?

what's an average life expectancy of hdd?

>>61042704
stuff the pcb in an oven and turn it on google solder reflowing, if your gpu is 100% broken it wouldent hurt to try

>>61042774
>google solder reflowing
Yeah, because clearly you didn't
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/1980/what-s-the-proper-soldering-iron-temperature-for-standard-031-60-40-solder
Find me an oven that can shit 600-700 degrees and I'll give you a free Jew to throw in that oven

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Any cases better and cheaper than this one?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00UNJRDEE/ref=twister_dp_update?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

It comes with a PSU dust filter as well ass a mesh filter on the front, going to fill it with fans, but wouldn't mind something cheaper if you lads could recommend. My old fractal 1000 case cost me £18 6 years ago, why is everything so expensive..

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Risks of using a cheap rgb strip connected to my mobo?

>>61042834
mine can

>>61042834
self cleaning ovens can, they run at like 600 to burn grease out

>>61042940
the risk of being a faggot

>poorfag
>overclocking is terrifying since breaking anything means I wouldn't be able to afford a replacement
>make a locked i5 build in early 2016
>not worth upgrading this thing, may as well replace it
>also sacrificed on the CPU/GPU budget to make sure I could afford lots of storage
>feel like a retard who wasted a lot of money
How difficult is overclocking, really? Thinking about going for a 1600/580 build once 580s are available at a decent price again. In the meantime I'm going to try overclocking my 970. Is there any tips you can give me for CPU/GPU overclocking that may seem obvious to you but a total retard may miss? Software-wise I'm fine but I know absolutely nothing about hardware.

>>61042743
Fixed speed tied to an external fan controller (I've got one built into my case). PWM doesn't do much for case fans other than bug out or ramp up to 100% for no reason.

>>61042760
3-5 years depending on the usage, what temperatures they face on the daily, and how often you turn on your computer.
Faulty drives usually die within a month of regular use, so it's best to load the drive with writes and reads before doing a complete format. If it's faulty, the drive usually dies during this test.
If you're using the drive for archiving purposes and rarely write anything onto the disk, then the drive should last a lot longer than a drive used for 24/7 torrent downloading or being part of an iSCSI array for running virtual desktops off of.
If the drive is in a vibration heavy environment (heavy enough to make even the rubber dampers ineffective), then the drive will continue to suffer from faults that will lead to a premature end.
Keep temperature below the officially-rated temperature limits (usually 60 degrees) and the drive will last longer.
And if your drive has some shitty eco-mode that parks the head constantly if you haven't used the drive in more than 15 seconds, or if you constantly boot your computer, that wears out the actuator and platter motors.

>1080p@60hz
what's this hz thing?fps?
what gpu and cpu should I buy for 1080p and 60+ fps on every game

Was looking to upgrade from my Phenom x6 1055t + Sapphire Radeon 5850 xtreme as my PC more often than not refuses to boot and gets random freezes / bluescreens while not even doing anything other than browsing

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/4M8Tf8

Located in Germany, I´d prefer not to pay premium to get a 1060 for over 310€, so I´ve added a 1050 ti which costs half. Any chance the mining hype will die down in the future so I will regret buying the cheaper card now?

>>61043005
Oh, I also forgot: if your GPU is pre-overclocked is it still safe to overclock yourself, or should you only overclock stock reference cards?

>>61043034
>bluescreens
Read the error message before doing anything. This can be anything from a faulty motherboard, RAM, or dying CPU

>>61042757
slolvenia

>>61043022
1400+580 could probably get there with a 1400+1050

>>61043063
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/KpgX7h
here close enough

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Whats the difference between the r5 1600 and the r5 1600x I don't now how to overclock and don't think im going to. Is the r5 1600x at stock really that much better then the r5 1600 at stock
also does ram speed matter because I have no fucking idea
This is what im going for https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/bTZ4VY

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nzf3Gf

Trying to convince my turd of an IT manager to let me build my department decent desktops instead of her throwing money at shit laptops.

Use is going to be lots of various office files, spreadsheets, etc all open at the same time. Occasional video or photo editing.
This overkill or just right?

>>61043167
If you're jot over clocking and want 1080 60fps gaming just get the 1400

>>61043167
>Whats the difference between the r5 1600 and the r5 1600x
r5 1600x has a higher clockspeed then the r5 1600 and had XFR (meme tech)

the r5 1600x doesnt have a stock cooler, the 1600 does

basically the r5 1600x is for people not willing to overclock

>>61043186
of course 7700k is overkill

>>61043186
You're a dumb nigger and your IT manager should have fired you for being a dumb nigger

>>61043186
Super overkill, if I was your boss I'd fire you.

how much should a cpu cost? i've seen so many varying prices and i have no idea what is considered a good deal or not.

>>61043186
Yeah that's very overkill
If you still want to spend a lot of money but get great performances you can go R5 1600 without cooler, a320 motherboard, get a cheapo GPU and 400 - 450w PSU with lower clocked 8 GB (or 2GB)

>>61043227
200

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What do you guys prefer at idle?

>fans totally disabled
>fans at less than 500rpm and thus totally inaudible

I just to go totally passive just because I could, but it's kind of distracting seeing fans start up and shut down over and over, now I just set them to run at the lowest percent they'll run at.

>>61043230
It's office work a g4560 would be overkill and is 60buckeroos, don't fuckin reccomend 1600 you crazy fuck, I'd fire you too.

Holy fuck /g/ is helpless

>>61043186
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JrD4TH\

here is a better build

if you do build this, you will be buying a lot of these right?

>>61043230
And I'd fire you too if I were your IT manager.
Has it come to anyone's attention of why they'd prefer having laptops over desktops? Are we dealing with more mobile employees? Are these employees allowed to take their machines out of their offices? Are there enough ethernet ports and switches to service all of the employees? How much capacity can their wi-fi handle?
And do all employees do video/photo editing, or is it just one particular office?

>>61043252
You are very stupid and cannot read
The second line starts with:
>If you still want to spend a lot of money
I'd fire you too for being so stupid

>>61043280
Why would he want to spend a lot of money? Why would his manager allow him? Do you not understand how businesses work, get the fuck outta here, youre super quadrupled fired no take backies.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DpH9HN

is this a good build for a light work pc? My dad will use it for emails and business stuff
I already have those 2 sticks of ram

>>61043301
>If you still want to spend a lot of money
>If
Also, he was considering a $800+ build with a god damn 7700k beforehand
I'd fire you twice, and i wouldn't even let you say goodbye to your coworkers!!

>>61043318
its good

>>61043319
>and i wouldn't even let you say goodbye to your coworkers!!

You're a fucking monster!

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Can I get a hardware RAID card recommendation?

Need 4x SATA III ports, and RAID5 support.

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>>61043362
now get out of here!

>>61043367
what ever you do just dont buy a x299 platform if you need raid

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>>61043378

>>61043367
This fucking screen looks way over kill.

>>61043367
I want to see an hidamari sketch edit of this

Getting my parts today. Is there anything I should be aware of in switching out my lga1150 mobo and i5 for an am4 with a 1700? Will Windows 7 protest? I plan to just disconnect my non-OS drives from their SATA ports until I successfully boot windows 7 so they don't get fucked up somehow.

>>61043484
You can get it to work, but i found anytime i switch major parts out like that it's best to re-install an os. Too many factors affects the performance of that install.

>>61043207
A coworker who I asked to double check the list recommended it over the i5 I had selected. That's probably still overkill though.
>>61043214
>>61043218
Thanks
>>61043262
My department has laptops because we "do onsite work" been here three years, gone onsite twice. Nothing onsite that can't be handled by a shared department laptop, and our current laptops are 4-5 years old and were shit even then.
There are more than enough ports available, in fact our Wi-Fi is almost unusable when there is more than 5-6 people on it.
My department, 4 people, all do a little.

>>61043484
This why you get bus with w7/10 and Ubuntu/mint

>>61043506
So you thought you'd give all your little pals gaming rigs eh? You're one big piece of work mister.

>>61043506
For laptops just buy some old t420s.

What work do you do though?

>>61043506
>My department has laptops because we "do onsite work" been here three years, gone onsite twice
That doesn't mean that other employees aren't using their laptops offsite more often than you are. You need to look into their usage and needs before giving blanket orders based on your own needs (and wants)

If there is a particular department that needs mobility, then issue them laptops that can last them for the lifespan of the laptop (usually 3-5 years for business contracts). If no one else needs mobility and/or rarely needs mobility, then you can consider desktops as a replacement, but I'll tell you right now that physical desktops are old news. Virtualization is where it's at, since your employees can use their own devices to connect to a controlled virtualized environment for significantly better desktop management.

Replace all the devices in the office with thin client PCs, two powerful virtual desktop servers, a back-up/iSCSI server, and invest in a fucking better wifi network. If your wifi is choking with just 6 users, then something is clearly not right there.

EPYC is going to make virtualization more secure and cheaper. Buy a corporate license from Citrix, Oracle, or VMWare and move away from physical desktops. You can end up saving money in the long term from not having to support and replace multiple physical systems over the lifespan of the VD server.

I need some help /g/. I'm building a PC for gaming (BF1) and light video editing. GPU prices are fucking insane here in the Philippines so I need recommendations for my planned build (to make it cheaper or better) or even a new, cheaper build that could make games like Battlefield 1 run at 60 fps at 1080@60hz (Ultra if possible). I suck at choosing cases so can you recommend something with good ventilation or good stock fans?

Main Build ($850)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2vfr8K
Alternate Build ($710)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wPFfLD

ok guys, ive got absolutly no clue what to build or where to buy parts, the last time i did this was years ago.
the only thing i know is, that my pc is really old:
>mainboard from ~2007, asrock, unable to read the model number
>cpu: i3, 3 ghz dual core, from ~2009
>gpu: Nvidia GeForce Gtx 660 ~2012
>4 gigabyte ram
>500 gb hdd

how much should i expect to invest into a new good pc, which lasts the next 5 years?

>>61043696
about $1000. let's hope that the GPU prices drop soon

>>61043504
Thanks, that's not too much of a problem since it's just my OS on the SSD anyway. It does suck that I'll have to spend an hour customizing everything again afterwards, though.

>>61043568
I am fully admitting I have only built gaming rigs in the past and am unsure of how to build a good office desktop are. Which is why I came here to ask for input.
Doesn't help that the vast majority of guides are for gaming rigs or "my dad/mom needs an email or fb machine"
>>61043589
I work with LED signs
>>61043623
As mentioned, I am only looking into desktops for my department, who's usage I am very familiar with. We have talked as a department and would all prefer desktops with 1-2 shared department laptops(can keep the ones we currently have) for mobility purposes.
To make the situation more clear, we are a 15 person company, my 4 person department does support, maintenance and similar stuff.
The IT manager is incredibly cheap and would doesn't seem to understand that investing in quality is much better than having to replace shit every two years because she bought cheap shit.

>>61043731
are new gpus expensive too? i thought this was only a used markets thing?

>>61043751
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qYLr8K

This will do ya. The processor is brand new and people use it to game at 1080p 60fps, its the first pentium to use hyperthreading and its dead cheap, its equal to i3s. You can increase the ram if you want I just got lazy, but the rest will work well.

If you need one computer with a better CPU consider upgrading it with an i5, the upgrade path is pretty good from these CPUs.

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>please do the needful

>>61043751
>we are a 15 person company
Okay, I think an six-core VM server would be enough to support 11 of those users who don't do demanding activities. I've hosted up to 20 single vCPU virtual desktops on a single Xeon E5-2687W and only reached 50% CPU usage. Just add more RAM to match the total vRAM you'll need for all those users (probably no more than 4GB) and enough high IOPs drives to support enough virtual drive mediums.
The other workers who do video editing and what not could share a network of cheaper, less powerful desktops as part of a render farm.

So a single six-core VD server (~$3000) with 11 thin-clients (~$200 each) and 4 cheaper desktops (~$500 each) should be more cost-effective than buying 15 desktops at $500-700 each.

>>61043755
Wait till the new cheaper ryzens come out lad.

Whats the go to 27" monitor right now? I'm using a 980 and thinging about a 144hz and 1440p monitor.

Was looking at the Dell - S2716DG and Asus - MG279Q. Or should I go with a 1080 144hz monitor?

>>61043696
>Motherboard H57D01-1.0-8EKS3H Gateway MBSD1010
>2x2gb 1333 ram
>Geforce 320t 1gb ddr3
>1tb blue wd
>530 i3
>dps 220ub1 240V chink grenade

Come at me bro.

RX 560 or gtx1050ti?

>>61043820
Thanks a ton! That should be much smoother to suggest than my initial list.
>>61043896
To be completely honest, I have no clue how to setup something like that, and I don't know if the IT manager does either.
What you are saying makes sense, but I was really only looking for 4 for my department, not rigs for the whole office.

>>61044016
don't go the the 4GB models. Neither the 1050 nor the 460/560 are powerful enough to make use of the 4GB vram. Just grab the 2GB model.

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I made a thread, but I should probably just have posted here, sorry-

Hello, I'm a dumb retard.

I'm building a new PC and want to install WIN10 on it.

Should I download a clean install, use WinUSB Maker to put it on a bootable USB and then activate it with KMSpico

or

Pirate Win7/8/8.1 and use the free upgrade thing?

Clean WIN10:
https://proxytpb.win/torrent/12176822/Microsoft_Windows_10_Home_and_Pro_x64_Clean_ISO

KMSpico:
https://proxytpb.win/torrent/12667686/KMSpico_10.1.8_FINAL___Portable_(Office_and_Windows_10_Activator

WinUSB Maker:
http://joshcellsoftwares.com/Products/zotacwinusbmaker

Free upgrade for handicapped people:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(14c348e893a91089cb2980533c6ee123)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-0FBZfNm6YPFXNhiu3o52rA)()

>>61044038
But were are the proofs?!

>>61044071
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSURL-eC-SY

>>61044025
Someone should fire you and your IT manager if neither of you know how to install ESXi or Hyper-V and set up RDS to connect on multiple physical ports

>>61044061
Win7 is a bit of a hassle to install on Kaby Lake or Ryzen, but not too bad. I'd say Win7 to Win10 with accessibility upgrade

>>61044038
Agreed

>>61044016
1050 2GB. Better than 560, and way cheaper. Check hardware unboxed on YouTube for latest benchmarks comparing 560 and 1050

>>61044140
Ay mate nothing against aussies, i admire that they fought for humankind against the evil emu and their sacrifies in the great emu war but i kant fukking understand that 360 up side down accent.

>>61044238
As an American, I find the mention of the Emu war hysterical.
>they lost to a bunch of fucking flightless birds

>>61044229
Oh, I have a 7700K. Will that be a problem?

>>61044194
I am not part of the IT department, it's literally just her. I am just someone who has built a couple of rigs and am frustrated with a laptop that crashes and BSODs regularly and she can't seem to fix it.

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Going for a g4560 build. Which mobo should I choose?

>>61044293
The laptop doesn't crash because it's old or weak.
It's either a software problem or it needs repair.

>>61044229
How much of a problem is windows 7 with ryzen r5?

>>61044293
Okay then, fuck off. You clearly have no qualification to make any purchase or deployment decisions.

>>61044329
are you filipino? i'm just guessing by the prices and the need to pm computer shops for prices.

if yes, where are you buying?

>>61044238
I watched the video for thou lad he's talking g out his ass cause everyting in ausland is super expensive, in his own video it shows that the 4gb model gets 10fps more than the standard, and is only 20£ more than the normal 2gb.

>>61043663
self bump. also, the gtx 970 has the same price as a gtx 1050 at about $180, so is that better for a cheaper build with a Ryzen 5 1400?

>>61044329
One that supports higher than 2133 ram speeds, b250s support 2400 which is comfy

>>61044467
Yeah but in the first 5 minutes of the vidya i barley understood a word.

>>61044486
>One that supports higher than 2133 ram speeds, b250s support 2400 which is comfy

Do any of the h110 support 2400? Or am I stuck with b250s? Strapped on cash here.

>>61044418
Davao futurebright enterprises, famalam.

would ryzen bottleneck a gtx 1080(not ti)?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KYhPkT

What GPU should I get? 1080p, no VR, 60 Hertz. I generally turn off shit like anti-aliasing, sometimes texture resolution and stuff. I tend to find that a lot of performance is spent on literally fucking nothing. I just want a good cost effective GPU that you would want to buy.

>>61044618
>a good cost effective GPU that you would want to buy.
My personal choice would be the RX 570 then because it's real good value (the best) and still is powerful enough to run the vast majority of 1080p games maxed, though you're gonna have a hard time finding it in stocks
Alternative would be a 1060 3GB but it's not as cheap and has less VRAM. Lower than that and none of the GPU are really good value;

>>61044642
Are the GPU prices/availability just fucked forever? Do you think they'll be somewhat fixed by Cyber Monday?

>>61044693
Nah, it'll die down by the end of the year at worst, it will die down sooner but no one really knows when.
Availability should come back pretty soon and a bunch of websites have a limit of 1 / 2 cards per household so that should leave you some times to grab a 570.

>>61042974
This is actually true, they're called "pyrolytic ovens" because of the coating. I just moved into a place with one and it's fucking terrifying.

>>61044773
>it's fucking terrifying.
why?

Hey guys, I've been working on a gaming pc for some time now. Just wondering if any of you could have a look at my set up and tell me if i'm missing anything.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NrYksJ

>>61044811
The g4560 will bottleneck that GPU

>>61044823
damn, alright. any recommendations for what i should change?

>>61043984
Acer is good. All 1080p144 monitors are TN and I hate TN monitors.

Do you guys think it would be possible to get the RX 580 for £220 in about two weeks?

>>61044905
Not unless ethereum prices crash between now and then

>>61044905
Well, either downgrade the GPU to an RX 570, or upgrade the CPU to an R5 1500x or higher

>>61044844
you should go with a ryzen, at least the ryzen 5 1400 if you are in a tight budget but the best performance for the price is the ryzen 5 1600

>>61044905
you could probably find some at local shops or used ones online but I doubt that they currently have stocks anywhere in the world at that price thanks to the miners and scalpers

>>61044951
>570
> £220
Nope

>>61044951
Did you mean to respond to >>61044844 ?
Either way, I have already bought R5 1600.

>>61044921
God, how I wish that would happen (no offence to miners, I'm just bitter about not getting it as soon as it came out)

>>61044965
good idea! There's 3 shops near me, all of them will be/are closed already, but I'm stupidly optimistic/hopeful that I'll be able to find one on Monday.


What a horrible time to build anything

Planning a new build, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tV9Tf8

I'm going for 1080p/60+fps gaming, nothing else really.

I'd like an RX 580, but they're sold out everywhere.
GTX 1060's are about €300/$330 here (nl), should I wait for new 580's or go for the 1060?

Also, I don't really know what to look for in a case, what should I look for?

>>61045221
330 dollars for 1060 is really fucking overpriced as fuck. Jesus christ. Can you put off upgrading for a few months? This really isn't a good climate to buy GPUs.

Also for casing what are you looking for?
Form. Window. Build quality. Cable management. etc.

$360CA is too much for a literally who branded 4GB 580, right? Unless PowerColor is alright and I'm just out of the loop.

>>61045291
580 are all crazily overpriced at the moment.

>>61045278
I can't upgrade what I have right now, first time building a PC.

For a case, I'd like a window, so cable management is also important.

>>61045221
SSD and PSU are shit and have fun finding a RX580.
>GTX 1060's are about €300/$330
Fuck no. That's theft. Neither the RX580 nor the 1060 6G are worth more than 300€ maximum and that's for those """"premium"""" cards with extra bling bling and muh 5% factory OC.
If you really have to upgrade now try to find a 1070 or drop down to 1050Ti. The GPU market is currently completely fucked up by those autistic miners. I really hope that crypto trash is going to crash and burn soon.
Hopefully those autistic retards will then flood the market with GPUs, hence make new ones available again and then commit suicide.

>>61045334
Fractal Design Refine

>>61045307
Guess I'll just Keep Waiting™ then. Thank you.

>>61045354
>Fractal Design Refine
No. Not him, but fuck you and your relentless pushing of ugly boxes with brushed plastic. If you want a brushed look, buy a DeLorean. Otherwise fuck off.

>>61045334
Corsair Carbide series.

>>61045349
>SSD and PSU are shit
What would be better at around the same price?

I can't upgrade >>61045334, is there any consensus on how long this mining shit will last?


>>61045354
>>61045420
Thanks, Ill look at those.

>>61045449
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/pc-computer-cases/carbide-series

One thing I will say is some have more colors available than what's on Corsair's website. The Spec Alpha, for instance, has 2 additional color combos not listed because they're retailer specific.
White and Blue is specific to Newegg
White and Teal is specific to Frys

Can anyone recomend me a build for a Spainfag around 1000-1400€ ? i have no fucking clue, i want it mostly for shooters and race sims

>>61045349
>Fuck no. That's theft.
That's pretty much the normal price here (Netherlands), 1050's cost around €150/$170

>>61045615
do you need a monitor, keyboard and mouse as well, or no needed peripherals?

>>61045632
That is with tax mind you

>>61045698
none

>>61045615
>>61045698
fuck it. Tossed in peripherals too.
https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/CKj4TH

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>>61045449
>SSD
PNY CS1311, ADATA SU800, Samsung 850 EVO, SanDisk Ultra II
>PSU
Seasonic G / Prime, EVGA G2 / G3, Super Flower Golden Green HX / Leadex I / II
>is there any consensus on how long this mining shit will last?
Roll a dice. Currently there's a big bubble growing across crypto currencies and hopefully it will burst before September when Vega hits the shelves.
Otherwise we can only pray that Vega will be shit for mining, otherwise if mining continues and Vega is good for it don't expect GPUs being available before Volta in 2018.

>>61045632
Isn't any better here in Germany, prices are completely fucked up because of miners.

>>61045763
Too bad he won't find that gpu in stock for months.

>>61045763
if changing the 279€ spended on periphericals, what would you upgrade first ?

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>>61044359
Not a problem at all...

>>61045838
graphics card. Radeon cards are near impossible to get ahold of thanks to crypto miners.

>>61045838
>>61045817

Then with an extra 300€ to play with what gpu would you get that i can actually buy ?

>>61045765
>Isn't any better here in Germany
No it't the same, in Belgium as well, all out of stock.

Would it be a good idea to buy all the parts I want but with a 1050ti instead of a 580/1060, and later pick up one of those when they're back in stock?

Like I said I'm starting from nothing, can't upgrade now.

>>61045919
GTX 1070 if you can get one. The miners have been snapping up nvidia cards as well. It's a bad time right now if you want to build a PC.

>>61045765
It is more likely Vega will be good for mining than bad.

>>61045927
>Would it be a good idea to buy all the parts I want but with a 1050ti instead of a 580/1060, and later pick up one of those when they're back in stock?
yup

>>61045919
1060 6gb, even those are running low though and you'll pay the miners tax.

>>61045927
If you can find a 1060 for a reasonable I'd grab one. It'll run any game on high at 1080p. Good for a couple years instead of using a 1050 for a few months and trying to sell it.

>>61045971
>Running low
More like they are sold out.
Go check it out.

So is 1050 Ti the 1080p budget king again now that the 470/570 are dead?

>>61044951
meant for >>61044844

>>61045967
>>61046008
Well, would be be cheaper to buy a 1050ti now and sell in a few months time and then buy a 580/1060, or to buy an overpriced 1060 now?

Considering 1060's cost around €300/$330 here.

>>61045927
>Would it be a good idea to buy all the parts I want but with a 1050ti instead of a 580/1060, and later pick up one of those when they're back in stock?
No. When the bubble bursts and the cards will be available again the market will be flooded with used GPUs. All those factors should devaluate the 1050Ti for the used market.
You'll basically pay like 150€ for 1050Ti + 250€ for 1060/580 without any good resell value, you might as well try to get a 1070 for like 450€, which is expensive, too.
Imho if you really need to build now see if you can live with a 1050(Ti) or RX550/560 and upgrade to Vega or Volta. If you care about value this is probably the best option.
The only downside is that you'll have to deal with a low end GPU until the upgrade but since you want to play at 1080p 60Hz anyways it should be fine.

>>61045965
If this is true then we can basically close this thread until probably mid 2018 because the GPU market will be fucked up even more.

>>61046046
>would be be cheaper to buy a 1050ti now and sell in a few months time and then buy a 580/1060
That one most likely

>>61046029
>>61044965
thanks guys.

>>61046046
Apparently not since they're out of stock too.
>>61046011

>>61045944
>>61045971
https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/Wj6MHN
so this would be fine right ? anything worth upgradin within a 200€ range ? or no upgrade is worth that money in this range

>>61046087
Either way, buying a 1050 now seems like the best way to go. I'll get whatever is available in the future whether that be a 580 or vega/volta.

>>61046140
1060 6gb are out of stock.
Not the 1050ti

>GPU prices are drastically inflated in the US

Fucking kikes.

>>61046166
But i see no cooling fan on this config ? is that right, do i not need one ?

>>61046166
That all should be fine
>anything worth upgradin within a 200€ range ?
If you have the money, I'd change the AMD Ryzen 5 1600 for an AMD Ryzen 7 1700, but that's overkill.

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https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/QmXs7h

Am I good to go, can I order this?

This is probably more for /sat/ but whatever. What do you guys use to clean your mouse during summer? Its hot and my hands are heating sweaty and my mouse gets supergreasy.

>>61046303
can i change that power supply for this one ? https://www.pccomponentes.com/corsair-vs-650w-80-plus im trying to build only from pccomponents, so i need to change some things thanks for everything

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/CrdnVY
Would it all fit? I've only ever had full size cases but a mini-ATX build sounds so damn comfy. Also I'm not sure which CPU cooler to buy as I tend to just use stock ones. Can I get any old cheap and compatible one or should I not cheap out on those?

>>61046344
Dry lint cloth

>>61046326
>That 1060 price
Jesus fucking christ.

>>61046344
>>61046416
Also, toothpicks are good for getting at hard to reach gunk.

>>61046350
If You could, I'd spend more on the power supply. It is by far the part most likely to fail, and if it fails, it CAN take everything else with it.
https://www.pccomponentes.com/tacens-mars-gaming-zeus-750w-80-plus-silver-modular
I'd try this one. Reviews seem good on it, although I've never heard of the brand (though it could be that they don't sell in the US.)

RX Vega will be dripping in September right? Are there any prices yet?

>>61046497
>dripping
Dropping*

>>61046497
No, much sooner. Somewhere next month. The pro card is releasing in 4 days if i remember right, and the gaming card 2 - 3 weeks after that at worst.

>>61046497
>>61046533
Announcement is in Vegas on the 30th of July. Reference Available in August. Aftermarket available in September. God help us all if it is good for mining.

>>61046442
can you find me a cheaper one ?

>>61046564
In this current climate? No.
Your build is fine but the price is all sorts of fucked. You would have saved so much if you bought it 1~2 weeks earlier.

>>61046180
You're from NL, right? Maybe the KFA 1050(Ti) for 109(135)€ is what you want. They ship to NL and maybe you can use their midnight shopping aka free shipping, too if it counts for international.

>>61046326
Do you really want to pay 300€ for this GPU? It's about 50€ more than it's worth.
Imo the mobo is overpriced, it's basically the base ATX B350 mobo from MSI with meme features and LEDs... ASRock Pro4, MSI PC MATE (?), Asus Prime B350 are better options but most B350 are similar anyways.
Case is overrated and overpriced, maybe look for alternatives from Nanoxia, Be Quiet!, Fractal Design and Thermaltake. Deepcool isn't available in Germany, i think..
The PSU is good but a Seasonic Prime or EVGA G3 should cost +/- 5€ and is even better than the G2.

>>61046497
>>61046533
From what i've read the consumer cards will release about 30.07-01.08 for $400-800 depending on version but that's all just speculation and rumor since AMD didn't tell anyone jackshit.
Anyways, if the date is true expect custom cards either at release or in September.

>>61046559
>God help us all if it is good for mining.
God doesn't want to be part any of what will happen if Vega is good for mining.

>>61046598
>God doesn't want to be part any of what will happen if Vega is good for mining.
Thankfully there is no big release between now till early 2018.

>>61046592
is it because all the miners?
>>61046598
I can hold off for a few months until something better comes along I guess.

Thanks for the suggestions, will keep an eye of price changes

>>61046642
>is it because all the miners?
Yes.

>>61046515
>Dropping
Flopping*

>>61046642
>I can hold off for a few months until something better comes along I guess.
Vega is our only hope. Volta won't release until early/mid 2018 unless Vega will stomp Nvidias current lineup. I suggest you buy a 1050(Ti) or RX550/560 if you see a good sale.
Vega is too much of a lottery to count on it and skip on good sales and because Vega fails or will be bought out by miners again you're stuck until 2018.

I need a good 23'' IPS Monitor . Not Asus please.

>>61042544
It saddens me a little that reality is catching up with the "joke" RAM price of 150 USD in that image.

>>61046715
Dell or Acer

>>61046702
Alright man I'll see when I come back from vacation mid-august

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>>61046715
I have this

>>61046598
>You're from NL, right? Maybe the KFA 1050(Ti) for 109(135)€ is what you want. They ship to NL and maybe you can use their midnight shopping aka free shipping, too if it counts for international.

Can I buy directly from them? Their 1050ti goes for €150 on other sites.


>>61046702
Seeing as I can't hold off for a few months I think this is what I'll do.

how's this?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QdTwbj

>>61046805
Get Ryzen

what are the risks of overclocking? is it worth it?

Am I gonna have to fucking preorder some Vega card to guarantee I get one, even though I'm not even gonna be building my new rig for another ~4-6 months? Wish these miners would fuck off already.

>>61046840
No risk provided you don't overvolt like a fucking moron.
Yes.

What do you guys think I would achieve with a 7th gen intel pentium and a gt 1030?
>poorfag

>>61046850
Yes. Because you bet miners/scalpers already pre-ordered it gambling it will be good.

>>61046766
This sucks. Just checked it. They ship to NL but it will cost you 19.99€ shipping and you're excluded from free shipping offers. 130€ is still cheaper than 150€ but it's a ripoff regardless.

>>61046805
Get Ryzen 5 1600 unless you absolutely want an ITX build.

>>61046840
>what are the risks of overclocking?
Thermonuclear explosion.
>is it worth it?
Yes, just disregard the collateral damage.

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>>61046871
Goddamnit. This is the worst time for my computer to start falling apart.

what is a good quality 1tb hard drive?

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what motherboards are people getting fro ryzen builds?ones im looking at:
MSI tomahawk
MSI gaming pro

>>61046922
Toshiba

>>61046404
Anyone?

>>61047017
You don't need extra thermal paste unless you are buying for the future. If you are getting Ryzen, get higher speed RAM. The rest looks fine.

>>61047041
Awesome, thank you.

>>61046990
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C4zv6h/toshiba-internal-hard-drive-dt01aca100
like this one?

>>61047087
Also you are using a mini-ITX build. You might want to consider getting a fully modular over a semi one.

>>61047108
That is fine. If you have money to burn WD black is good as well.

>>61043063
Sorry this isnt going to be helpful. What part of slovenia are you from? I live in the states and couple years ago visited family from there. I love it there

>>61047140
thanks so much, man

>>61046404
If you care enough to have put arctic silver on the list in the first place, get an aftermarket cooler

>>61047175
im from ljubljana

If I'm watercooling my 1070, does it matter if I get a Founder's Edition or a custom design? FE cards are going for $400~

I've got my sights on the PG27VQ (1440p/165hz) which should be launching this Fall. I'm trying to decide if I should stick with a 1080 and wait for the next generation of high end cards or if a 1080ti is a good investment.
I currently have a FX8350/GTX 680 and I've been overdue for an upgrade. My 680 is showing signs of age.

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Let's say my i5 750 build from years ago just kicked the bucket. How awful of a buy is this? Theoretically could I not sell the RX 580 for at least $400, replace it with a 1050ti I got cheap and still have a better experience than my i5 750/5850 build? And all for around $200-250 after I sell the 580 (320-370 then when considering the price of the 1050ti I had already bought)

And I could replace my shit today, another plus.

>>61047424
Doesn't matter but custom design come OC'd out of the box at higher CS. But since you are watercooling it, you are going to push it harder anyway.

>>61047108
Get a HGST Ultrastar 3TB for like $60
>>61047493
You actually could.

Just look out for the probablw shit components in that build

r8 my budget build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9nQ7bj

>>61047211
Do you think this would do the trick? It's pretty small too.
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Lbhj4D/cryorig-cpu-cooler-c7

Does it make sense to make a build with ryzen 1500x and rx580 and then buy a second rx580 to crossfire in a few years?
Will the cpu be bottlenecked?
Also what mATX motherboard (with two gpu slots) should I get?

>>61047585
H7

when are those dedicated mining GPUs going to release? Really hope they work and people use them instead of the 400/500 series cards

>>61047567
Purpose / budget?
SSD is shit and get a 80+ Bronze PSU, the rest looks fine.

>>61047700
>Does it make sense to make a build with ryzen 1500x and rx580
Yes
>and then buy a second rx580 to crossfire in a few years?
No
>Will the cpu be bottlenecked?
No
>Also what mATX motherboard (with two gpu slots) should I get?
There's only 2 mATX boards that support Crossfire at the moment. eeny meany miny mo between them because they're both good.
Gigabyte GA-AB350M Gaming 3
MSI B350M Mortar Arctic

If you want to crossfire, I won't stop you. 2 crossfired RX580s is similar in performance to a single nvidia GTX 1080.

>>61047896
What is a good AM4 mATX in general then?

>>61047984
well, the 2 listed, as well as the Asrock AB350M Pro 4, MSI B350M Gaming Pro, and MSI B350M Bazooka

>>61048011

Thank you.

>>61048043
By the way. Why the 1500X and not the 1600? 2 more cores, 4 more threads, and much better performance.

Getting 4.0 ghz at 1.400 volts with my 1600, how'd I do in the silcon lottery? Haven't tried going further or lowering the voltage at 4.0.

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So i need to make some upgrades on my pc. I have a GTX 1080 and want to game at 1440p 144hz. I need to get a new CPU/MOBO/RAM. IM leaning towards getting a ryzen 1700 but im unsure on a good mobo/ram to match. Im not opposed to spending a lil extra on a good mobo. Which mobos should i be looking at?


Also im leaning to 1700 cuz i keep seeing that it's the recommend route right now as opposed to just the 7700k.

>>61048120
I didn't notice it's only 20 more sheckels, the most intensive stuff I will do is playing games and 1600 is overkill for a rx580, so I didn't enven check.
I should probably get the 1600 and be more future proof right?

So basically my PC died yesterday and instead of investing in a new motherboard and CPU I decided to buy a completly new one. But the problem is that i have little to no knowledge what components i should buy to get the most out of my budget.

>State the budget for your build (and country if not the USA). About 1000-1500€ (Germany)
>List games/software you use often, as well as your monitor resolution + refresh rate. Monitor: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jHGj4D/lg-29uc88-b-290-monitor-29uc88-b so an AMD GPU for Freesync would be best and it should be good enough to display around 60-75 fps in most games and some more ram would be good for emulating
>Clarify your goal for build improvements: lower price or improved specs?
I thought of something like this Build https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/DgH9TW/enthusiast-amd-ryzen-gaming-build but without the 1080ti and a B350 as a Motherboard because i dont plan on using two GPUs
Any help is appreciated

>>61048214
That's pretty good, people usually hit the voltage wall much sooner than that like at 3.8GHz

>>61048238
For memory, look at the QVL/Supported memory list on the Mobo manufacturer. Samsung B-Die ram chips are known to OC up to 3200Mhz without issue.

Motherboard wise, any B350 or AX-370 chipset with a good VRM and VRM heatsink will do. It's features like SLI/Crossfire, audio chip, ports, etc. that'll determine what you pick.

>>61048252
The 1600 is the best CPU from AMD for gaming currently. it's worth looking at.

>>61048329
B350 only supports crossfire, not SLI

need a build for games such as overcuck/gta/pubg at low settings with 4xAA (dont care about low settings) and autocad and other cad shit at 144hz.

im in the uk and budget is around £700-800

>>61048396
for gta at 144Hz that's not so simple, Overmeme is much simpler.

Just go with the 7700K and a 1070. but that already is overbudget.

maybe a 1060 will cut it if your settings are noticeable low as you comment.

>>61046805
Just go for a Ryzen if you're going that low for Intel, it really does beat out i5 for the price
Also GOOD FUCKING LUCK trying to find an 4xx AMD card nowadays

>>61042728
no

>>61048347
Alright, this is the current build.

http://amzn.eu/3xfl55k

How does it look? It's 916€ including monitor and everything, no hdds or ssds because I have some spare.

>>61043044
it all depends on your cooling solution and power delivery system, if you have cheapo psu and mobo overclocking can be risky for your hardware, if you have something halfway decent there is no risk as long as you don't touch voltages, for your gpu just increase powertarget and you will be able to keep your boostclock longer, you can increase the clock a bit and see how long it runs stable( use furmark or something else for quick testing.

>>61043186
step down to a 7600, since you wont overclock anything in an ofice environment mybe even 7500, ifd you really need the ht, then go with a 7700 non k, and buy a cheap graphicscard like a 560 or 1050ti

Pretty new to building, about to order so need some last minute assurance. Do i need an optical drive to install windows? theres nothing in the parts section for them https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YbrHFd

>>61043186
still overkill but bettermsuited for your workload, i upped the ssd size, since the 120gb ssd's just suck adn usually have a terrible value, you coudl even down the processor a bit if you want to but i think that is kinda futureproof and not too terrible.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VnK8cc

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cC99HN

i can get a case with 500W power supply for this build, will it be okay or should get bigger power supply?

>>61048878
cut the windows license, buy a key somewhere on the internet (google), no you need no drive

>>61049018
buy more ram, 16gb is the sweet spot atm

Do you guys use antistatic bracelets?

>>61049053
okay, but i was asking about the power supply

>>61049074
Hell no. I just touch my case or at least something metal before sticking my hands in there. So far nothing has fried.

>>61048845
Buy a key from Kinguin and install it with a usb drive. At your budget, you might as well step up to a Ryzen 1600.

>>61048654
change the ram. Ryzen adores fast ram because of how it's built. You want 3000 or 3200 Mhz ram.

Hey /g/

Can I get your thoughts pls?
I haven't built a new computer in 5 years or so and everything is new and scary.

Current plan:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/ajnslng/saved/7mZNGX

I'm aiming for a budget - mid tier build. I've moved countries (UK) and need a completely new desktop setup (speakers, screen etc.) so I've had to cut a few corners on the parts.

I want something that'll play smooth at 60fps on highish settings.
Happy to skimp on peripherals - don't need cutting edge 1ms response times or surround sound or anything. Not gonna be OCing.

A few concerns I have...
Which mobo should I get? I need wireless as the router is three floors down. Should I get built in or get a card?

Should I get another 8gb of RAM?

Thanks /g/

>>61049724
Honestly, I'd forgo the G4560 in favor of an AMD Ryzen 5 1400 with a good B350 motherboard. Leaves you with actual upgrade room in the future up to 8 cores and 16 threads without changing the motherboard.

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I need some advice on cooling fans for now and maybe a decent AM4 Air cooler when i do a ryzen build just installed the rest of my fans i wanted to get some white led 120mm fans for my cpu cooler any brands to stay away from? Hyper 612 from cooler master if it matters.

guys im having a hell of a time finding a good amd graphics card. what do I do where do i go? i am willing to pay premium price but will not overpay

>>61050095
Either go on ebay and pay the Scalpers who are reselling them or wait (tm) for the mining bubble to pop.

>>61050157
that's what I was afraid of.

The investments of these cryptoniggers had better tank.

What caused the GTX 1060 to go out of stock lately?

>>61050175
I'm in the same boat. Don't want to pay over MSRP, but gathering parts for my first build.

>>61050211
580s are sold out everywhere thanks to cryptofucks so people are buying the alternative.

>>61049724
This is probably the cheapest you can get: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/PVNGFd
I left most of the core build but changed the mobo to the cheaper but perfectly fine ASRock, Bazooka is a meme board anyways.
The GPU.. well.. idk about you but i can't get a 1060 6G for a reasonable price but if you can find one for no more than 250 GBP get one.
The 1050Ti is a cheaper alternative that's fine for most 1080p 60Hz gaming, you may need to tune down the settings but at least this card is available.
Case and PSU are cheaper without compromising quality, removed Win7, just pirate it. Buying wangblows on budget is just stupid, that's a large portion of your budget blown on NOTHING.
Also added an AC wifi card but imo if the router is three floors below you i seriously hope you have wifi repeaters somewhere in between because otherwise it's going to be shit either way.
Monitor idk, check if it has some ghosting issues or some other hickup for the low price. Mouse & KB should be fine but headset is poo in loo pajeet tech support tier. Do not buy that trash. Speakers area also awful.
Considering a budget of 1000 GBP you have about 250 GBP left to spend with this build. You can of course upgrade the build to Ryzen but that would probably leave you chink IEM audio options only, which is ok for temporary use.
If you want to invest into audio, for speakers everything with that budget will be shit, i wouldn't buy anything in that price range.
Headphones is a different story, for less than 100 GBP you can get a good entry gaming / general use setup with good headphones and a V-Moda boom mic or other mod mic.
I suggest you take this build as a basis, make up your mind on whether you want to invest that money into a better build or peripherals/audio. For audio is suggest you ask >>>/g/hpg
There is also the option to import chink mechanical keyboards and gaming mice which are suprisingly good if you know what to buy. Do some research on YT reviews and ask >>>/g/csg

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I'm trying to save some money and put my Dell Optiplex to use. It currently has an i3 in it, but I want to buy an i5 off ebay for $50. Also I will need a power supply. I know the ones that Dell uses are proprietary, so will that cause any issues if I use a different one?

Also if anyone has revamped a Dell for gaming let me know if it was a nightmare.

>>61050418
They used proprietary ones but not all of them do, check yours.

>>61050095
Go to Newegg and put auto notification on every single one.

>>61050487
I tried running the ID badge on their website, but their user manual really didn't give me enough info. Do you know how you can find out?

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How goes your day, /pcbg/?

Okay guys. I run a contracting company that builds houses. A customer who wants a house built about a year from now wants me to make him a personal home server that will run virtual machines to every room in his house (12).

I'm already aware of what screens i will use alongside peripherals, but what hardware should I be buying and what virtual machine software should I use?

>>61050668
Depends mostly on wat will the Virtual machines be doing.
And how many at a time and such. There are many guides for homeserver online, you're better off reading some of them and coming back to discuss the pure hardware, once you have everything down.

>>61050418
If it's a proprietary PSU, you may have to repin the 20 pin CPU header. Although the connector is the same, the wiring pinout is not.

I'm in a similar boat, looking at grabbing an old Dell Dimension desktop for a retro XP gaming rig. Trying to work out which GPU will work and, if necessary, which PSU to go with. I found one that LOOKS like it'll do (Dell Dimension with a Pentium 4 and 256 mb ram) with a new HDD and a new GPU, but still unsure about that PSU.

>>61050668
>I run a contracting company that builds houses.
>A customer who wants a house built about a year from now wants me to make him a personal home server
Tell him you're building houses and don't run IT, tell him to contract an IT specialist or do it yourself. It's better for all.
If he fucks up his own home server chances are he will blame it on you and you will have to deal with an unsatisfied customer and his IT problems as a contracting company that builds houses, that's not good.

>>61050767
>>61050668
I've done similar jobs and my way for shit like this is always to go for a subcontractor. Makes life so muhc easier and cheaper in the long run. Nothing worse than dealing with guys that are out of their depth and the customer recieves a subpar product. This doesn't exactly sound like an easy setup.

>>61050737
Well that is less of a nightmare than I thought it would be. It will be a $150 difference if I don't have to get a new MoBo and other various components.

Hope that PSU works out for ya! Sounds like you have got a cool project going on.

>>61050767
Now thinking about it I'll probably just do this. I'm handy with computers by my knowledge is limited to personal desktop stuff.

>>61050817
Sorry, I misspoke. It would NEED a new GPU and HDD since the HDD is removed and the stock GPU on those were shit.. Again, unsure about that proprietary PSU

>>61050894
No problem. I was planning on slapping in a GTX 1050 Ti. It should definitely be an improvement from the intel graphics. Also the stock hard drive was 250 GB and that is way too small for my needs. Thanks for your help anon!

>>61051200
>it seems that AMD cpu's aren't all that great for emulation, since emulators generally benefit more from single-core processing power.
The Ryzen series are only like 9% worse than a comparable Intel chip at single-thread processing... It should have no trouble considering it has better single thread performance than Intel Sandy Bridge CPUs, which was the last time intel introduced a new architecture.

Whats the best site in Australia to buy PC parts from? I usually use PCCG but dunno if they're the cheapest

So I have come in contact with an old sell from 2009,

It's ram is DDR400 or DDR333
It's maximum ram is 2gb
It's best video card is Radeon 3450 PCI 512mb

Is it worth the overhaul or is that still too slow?

I accidentally the link.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lw99HN

Have I done anything majorly retarded?
I considered a R5 1500x for a while, but after some brief look on the internet, it seems that AMD cpu's aren't all that great for emulation, since emulators generally benefit more from single-core processing power.
Getting an unlocked CPU would be a bad deal for me, since the 7600K and aftermarket cooler are way too expensive in my country.
I also plan on playing modern games from time to time, but on medium, 900p and 60hz, so I thought a 1050Ti would serve me well.

Any advice to lower the costs further? To something maybe around 650$ without a huge impact on performance?

>>61051256
Is that so? If so, the cost for a 1500X is pretty attractive, compared to an I5 7600. and changing processor and motherboard alone would make a huge difference in the cost.
I may end up considering it again.

why should I buy a monitor instead a tv?

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Thoughts?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jK8KTH

>>61051479
for the time that's decent. Upgrading the video card may be worth it depending on the CPU

>>61051591
Look's good

>>61051601

>intel Pentium 4

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4

When prices calm down, which 6GB 1060 should I get? I know fuck all about what's better in regards to manufacturers, sizes, etc.

Is it okay if I just get 8 gigs of RAM and put it on the backburner for a while? I hear it doesn't impact gaming performance much

>>61051694
nice, good for a retro gaming machine

>>61050588
You need a multimeter, a paperclip and wiki article on ATX pinout.

>>61052170
Damn, this is a bit more complicated than I thought. I was originally going to just go with an egpu, but my job this summer pays well enough for me to just buy the extra parts needed anyway.

Thanks for the knowledge anon.

>>61052268
You can also just check wire colors.
If they are color coded like ATX connector should, it's probably right one and you can replace the power supply.

>>61052362
Oh that is much easier. I will give that a shot. Thanks for the tip!

>>61043005
You don't need to overclock the Ryzen series, they perform extremely well already, and you're barely gonna notice the difference between OCed and non OCed in terms of real world performance

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Pic is old but I now have fans where the arrows are. See that area between the video card and the psu where there are three white slot plates? I'd love to put a small fan there blowing out the back of the case (blowing out the warm air produced by the fans from the video card). I'd imagine such a fan would come mounted on a slot plate. Does such a thing exist?

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http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-air-cooler/masterair-maker-8/

New shit from Cooler Master including MagLev fans, any good?

Trying to install the stock Ryzen 1600 cooler. The spring-loaded screws on all sides don't seem to reach down far enough to hit the motherboard, and I have to press REALLY hard to get them to go down; is there some trick or tool to installing this that I'm not getting?

>>61052816
Man, that looks like you're trying to vacuum up your floor. Wouldn't it be better to blow out and down?

>>61052816
Yep, that's a thing.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010110573%201372526581

>>61053263
dust filters. Bottom is for intake

>>61052567
>>61043005
Overclocking Ryzen is trivial, just about any Ryzen will run at least at boost clock 24/7 no trouble. But, anon is right, they're pretty well tuned already, it's not gonna be more than a few hundred MHz on the stock cooler

>>61050211
>>61050297
Not just that. People who need to buy GPU for their builds are forced to buy 1060 as well driving up the demand.

Harddrive stuck half into its bay. How import is it that they be properly mounted, really?

>>61053811
If they are not properly mounted, variations might kill the drive over a long period of time. Or it might not. But just mount it proper.

>>61053824
Figured. Got it in, just took more force than I was expecting.

>>61053824
You mean vibrations

>>61042544
>Go for the RX580 if you can
What's better about the 580?

>>61054172
Yeah. I just noticed it. Vibrations kills HDD not variations.

>>61054173
The fact that it is unavailable and if you manage to get one you (at the MSRP it was a month ago), you could sell it for +200 easy.

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>>61054173

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Do I trust the lines or the labels?

>>61054292
Labels represent what the pins does.
Lines are used to represent what that entire cluster of pin group is called

>>61054310
I think I got it figured out, but really; the labels are say, (1,1) and (2,1) whereas the line divisions of the block are drawn as (1,1) and (2,1).

Are ATXpower and ATX12v both used, or alternate options?

>>61054348
Ohhh I see what you mean, go with the labels

>>61054376
yeah, you will have a bigass 24 pin power connector(ATX) and then a second 8-pin similar to a PCI-E cord(keyed so you can't confuse them) that provides additional power.

No gpus in shoops
gtx 1060 for the price of 1070
1070 for price of 1080
1080 for the price of 1080ti

radeons are just distant memory

this is the current gpu situation in most countries in some it isnt that bad yet but soon it will be

if you want any thing more than rx 560 or gtx 1050/ti you are fucked


i literally cant buy gpu
used market also got hit hard

and all because artifical high demand by jews for mining

they literally pay 1070 prices for 1060 3gb cards

this is ridiculous and make me seriously butthurt i want to play games and i cant

>>61054470
It is not just that. The price of good 1000W PSUs have increased as well.

Power supply slotted. Motherboard affixed. CPU inserted. Heatsink, RAM affixed. SSD and HD placed. Case cables- lights and power and reset and audio- placed. Powersupply cables routed to SSD. eSATA routed from Ds to MB. Powersupply routed to ATXpower and ATX8v. GTX 1080 installed. On switch toggled, fans spool up, run for a little, then spool down. Powersupply routed to GTX 1080. On switch toggled. Fans spool on, run, spool down, spool up, run, spool down. Plug pulled. RAM flipped around. (Still doesn't seem to be sitting very tightly, but it's right orientation now). Power switch toggled.

It's willing to stay on no, but it's still not showing anything on the monitor.

Pretty sure RAM is properly seated now, but I'm not getting the usual beeps I'm familiar with from startup- one of which, I'm told, is "RAM found".

Case fans, CPU, and GPU fans come on. Case LED for power too. That's all I'm getting, no BIOS. Should I not have all 32GB slotted for first bootup?

>>61054744
Check and make sure that your RAM is compatible with your Mobo.

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>>61054969
Strangely, a loose-leaf page in the mobo box suggested that it wasn't and had me spooked, but looking up the model on the manufacturer's site says it should be, with a Ryzen. (5, 1600 is what I have).

Maybe I missed something.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/A320M%20Pro4/index.asp#Memory
http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-16gtzkw

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Budget build supposed to last for 4-5 years of programming / basic work / browsing 4chan on Linux as a second computer.

Thoughts on making it cheaper without losing performance?

>>61055136
why the cooler?
you should ditch the cooler and up to a 1500x, or stay on the 1400

>>61055136
By using the stock cooler. That's if you're not overclocking. Even then they're still fairly competent coolers.

>>61055153
>>61055149
I just remember my old Phenom II stock cooler and it was really really loud (having my computer next to my window, neighbor unironically asking me if I was using a saw all day). It's not the case anymore?

Note: This replaces my Phenom II

>>61055170
No, it's not the case anymore. Those things don't heat much and the fan is very low RPM so it's barely any noisy even at 100% speed.

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>>61055107
You sure bro?
I looked at the site as well and I don't see your model under the G.skill tab.

>>61055170
Not with Ryzen it's not the case

I want glass mid tower

Don't try to convince me otherwise, I just want one

Which one is the glass mid tower to be? Support for 280mm radiator.

>>61055170
What >>61055195 said
Plus, the 1500X comes with a bigger stock cooler.

>>61055222
P400

>>61055222
Clarify, a glass motherboard open mount. Or a glass side panel.

>>61055203
>>61055107
Whoever writes the new tab. Please include a note under RAM to ask people to check the QvL for their mobo before buying their build. This is the 3rd case of people not checking and potentially causing issue with their build. I think it is something most experienced builders know but beginners absolutely overlook. Especially for a immature platform like AM4.

>>61055240
Glass side panel in a traditional tower

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>>61055203
Shit, you're right.
I was looking at the header where it says "Supports DDR4 3200+ (OC) (Ryzen CPU) / 2400 (A-series APU)"


Alright, so new motherboard, it looks like, will be necessary. Great. Could be worse.

>>61055256
Provided you could post, I would tell you to update your bios because sometimes a bios update will include more compatible parts. But since you can't, you are shit out of luck. But hey, at least you figured it out.

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>>61055253
P400

>>61055278
Would borrowing RAM from my old build, booting, installing windows, updating BIOS, and then returning to GSkill RAM be potentially viable?

>>61055288
Only use RAM from the QvL. I doubt your old RAM is in this >>61055107 list. If it is, yes then you can try make it post and update the BIOS via the BIOS, you don't need to install windows to update the bios btw. And then try the Gskill RAM.

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>have 1080ti & a 180hz 1080p TN panel
>was originally going to get an asus pg279q (27" 1440p 165hz gsync IPS 800$) as well for a higher-quality sister screen
>stopped & considered the (curved) pg348q (34" 1440p 100hz gsync IPS 21:9 R4000mm 1200$)
>fell for the curved meme
>dug deeper
>now strongly considering asus mx34vq (34" 1440p 100hz a(free)-sync VA 21:9 R1800mm 750$) & aoc ag352ucg (35" 1440p 100hz gsync VA 21:9 R1800mm 900$)

Seems like the only major pitfall from IPS to VA is potentially slow deep-black recovery/ghosting, but with those two monitors it sounds like it's relatively minimal.
And damn is it cheaper compared to the 21:9 IPS for some reason, despite having 2x the contrast.

Am I fucking myself if I go for one of these? Leaning towards the AOG.

>>61055310
It seems unlikely to hurt, at any rate. I'm upset because the 3200 MHz RAM was expensive, but I can replace the motherboard if I have to...
The problem is finding a MicroATX with 4 slots for ram, an AMD4 socket, tolerance for a 355mm GPU, and a visible QvL list. Most of them don't seem to advertise the latter.

>>61055381
Which is why you should always check the QvL before buying. Intel platorms are more mature hence why even if the model is no on the list, it still works. But you can't say the same for a new socket like AM4.

>>61055418
Got it. Live and learn. Thank you for the help.

NEW THREAD
>>61055422
>>61055422
>>61055422

>>61055425
Yeah. It should really be in the OP. But it is not. This thread is past bump limit but not dead yet so whoever makes the new OP can you please make a note in there about checking Mobo QVL.

What is the best choice at the moment? Buy a 1080ti or wait for Vega?

can a 1080ti really support 4k @60fps on most games?

How long until games are too demanding for a 1080ti on 4k?

is 4k gaming a meme? even if the 4k can be used for other media too?

>>61055572
Yeah, but you might need to start turning down settings to get stable 60fps.

>>61043367
>RAID5 support
RAID5 is trash and will blow up on you when you try to rebuild. Mirrored or nothing.

I want to game in 1080p60fps,but in the near future maybe at the nextlevelp60fps.
At what price can achive this? Let's go with the current games.
Sometimes i play some emulator too.
According to one of my friend, $1500 gaming pc are idiotic overkill. And i would to upgrade constantly to keep it up. I more likely just want a computer which i could use for the next 5-6 year gaming primary, or even longer generally (compared to my current machine which is 6-7 year old)
Tl;dr is it worth getting a new "gamer" PC in an $1500 Price range or should i lower/higher it.

>>61047886
Future gaming PC with no set budget, just trying to get a cheap rig with good performance I don't need anything crazy powerful, I'm okay with lowering settings. I'm gonna pick up a good mid-range GPU in the next couple months.

I just ordered the parts last night and I ended up getting a 1TB Western Digital instead of the SSD.