/hpg/ - Headphone General

Rtings headphone measurement procedure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNEI3qLZEKo

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>>61024041
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7ERMu825m4&t=512

>1m cable is too short
>3m cable is too long
fug

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Idol trash reporting in.
What's your setup like, Anon?

>>61027284
Damn riffraff.

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Opinions on this?

how do the the AKG K7xx compares against the K712, is it worth the price difference?

>>61027692
I have a friend who owns both and he prefers the k712. It seems to have much better build quality but I haven't actually heard them.

>>61026931
What would be the difference between my bro's external sound card (Creative Sound Blaster Surround Pro 5.1), and a DAC?

What I'm asking is, is it worth having both, or will only one improve sound? Or does a DAC improve the sound on top of your sound card, which expectedly improves the sound from your laptop/PC/whatever?

>>61027692
K7XX is muddy as fuck compared to the 712. Both have fuckery in the upper mids.

Recently my PC and Laptop have been hizzing quite a lot when using my Headphones
I just want an amp/DAC with my HD600/AD1000x which get the job done without any noise/powering problems, so im looking for around ~100€
will E10K // Fulla 2 be good enough?

>>61027923
E10K doesn't have enough power for HD600. Fulla 2 will be adequate.

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>>61027353

>>61028035
>>61027923
Fulla 2 and E10k have the same amount of power into the load of HD600.

>>61028053
Nice waifu and headphones. Good taste, sir.
nfb-11 review requested.

>>61028140
E10k:
>Output Power: 200mW(32Ω)
Fulla 2:
>Maximum Power, 32 ohms: 360mW RMS per channel

>>61028205
HD600 isn't 32Ω, anon.
But Fulla2 still has higher output regardless. And less chinked bass.

>>61028205
Power output is nearly meaningless for headphones. Why don't manufacturers give voltage swing?

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>tfw the skullcandies broke again
I'm tired of buying the fucking garbage cheap in-ear headphones at Target and having them break within a week. No other brands do this to me, but the only close store is Target and it's all they have anymore.
I'm looking at the infographic from /csg/, but it doesn't state how long they should last with proper care. Would detachable cables just be my best bet?

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>>61028155
The NFB-11 is great. I highly recommend it. It's perfect for something like the HD600 and HD650, unless you want tubes, in which case you could always get a tube amp somewhere down the line and use the NFB-11 as your DAC. Very high quality overall for the price, and you certainly get what you pay for. I haven't had any issues with it other than the drivers installation back when I first got it, but that's been completely rectified with the new 2017 model.

>>61028246
>>61028325
If the Fulla 2 is 80% more powerful than E10k into a 32 ohm headphone, will it be 80% more powerful into a 300 ohm headphone as well? I can't seem to find a calculator tool for this.

>>61028623
I made an mistake. E10k voltage swing was lower than I thought.
In any case, power isn't very useful for headphones. Power is not controlled by the amplifier, either voltage or current is. We normally treat everything in terms of voltage.

Fulla 2 is obviously constrained by USB 5V rails.
>Fulla 2 ~3.5 Vrms.
>E10k ~2.6 Vrms
A difference of about 2.4 dB.

>>61028325
>Why don't manufacturers give voltage swing?
We've been trying to switch over to voltage rating with speakers, but saying you have a "1000W" amplifier is a nicer sell even if you could never actually output that with a 6 or 8 ohm nominal speaker.

Is there a decent cheap (~$150) dac/amp that doesn't have faulty drivers or janky connections to worry about?

>>61028838
>If the Fulla 2 is 80% more powerful than E10k into a 32 ohm headphone, will it be 80% more powerful into a 300 ohm headphone as well?
Can you please say yes or no, and explain why?

>>61027885
>>61027885
>>61027885
Bump

Also, what would happen if I for instance bought a DAC, and plugged like this
PC > external sound card mentioned above > DAC > headphones?

>>61028947
>>61028838
To be clear as to what I'm asking, if a Fulla 2 puts 360 mW into a 32 ohm headphone and 40 mW into a 300 ohm headphone, and the E10k puts 200 mW into a 32 ohm headphone, can one assume that means E10k will put 22.22 mW into a 300 ohm headphone?

>>61028370
Get Beats urBeats on eBay. Open box is only $30

>>61029233
I want to go back to actual headphones though.

>>61028590
Is it not usb audio class 2?

>>61029049
That would only hold if both devices were only constrained by maximum voltage swing. For high impedance devices this is no issue, but when considering lower impedance devices current limiting is an issue.

>>61029457
OK. With the specs that are publicly available for the E10k and Fulla 2, is it possible to calculate the maximum dB output into the HD600 of both amps?

Looking for something I can wear when going out. Essentials: on/over ear, closed, neutral, no amp, ~100€, portability is a bonus. I'm located in Europe.

>>61029345

>(176.4kHz, 192kHz, 352kHz,384kHz and DSD are only available in USB audio class 2.0 and 3.0 / High speed mode . USB audio class 1.0 / 1.1 support up to 96K /24bit )

>>61029517
HD600 is sufficiently high impedance that it is not seriously constrained by current. This will generally be the case for load devices with Z greater than 100 ohms.

Fulla 2 voltage can be figured using the 300 ohm load.
E10k lists voltage in terms of Vpp. Divide Vpp by sqrt(8) to get to Vrms.
After that. find a sensitivity chart and calculate based on the reference value.

For example, HD 600 can be defined as having a sensitivity of 83 dB SPL at 1 kHz to a 0.1 Vrms input, then the Fiio's 1kHz output would be
>20*log (2.5/0.1) + 83
>20*1.40 + 83
>105 dB
Of course, the actual output sensitivity of the HD600 is not a constant function of frequency. This is what the "frequency response" measurements are for.

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>>61030305
Did I do this right? Does this mean Fulla 2 will drive HD600 louder than E10k will?

Do I have to install drivers for DAC such as Fiio E10k myself or will Windows 10 install some generic?

>>61030551
It's plug and play.

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>>61030305
>>61030499
Did I do this right? If I did, E10k will drive HD600 to 110.57 dB and Fulla 2 will drive HD600 to 113.02 dB.

>>61030641
I made a typo before, but that is right. General formula is 20 log(Voltage ratio).

Does anybody know how long is USB cable which comes with Fiio E10k?

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>>61030641
Psst, audiobot9000.

>>61026931
Can I ask about speakers in here? What are some good low budget speakers? $10-$30.

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Rate my setup

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>>61031914

>>61026931
is the sennheiser hd 518 good/worth? I wanted a hd 598 but I can't buy it anymore in my country

>>61031914
Better than HD800 / 10.

>>61028370
Tennmak Pro
KZ ZS5/ZST
Etymotic MK5 or Kids3 if cheap babby
MEE M6 Pro
>>61031771
>good
>low budget
Pick one.
>>61032187
Try to get a 558 and foam mod it. Newer revision of the 598 is out to replace the regular/SE called the 598SR.

>>61027524
>>>>>>/csg/

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Hey guys, so what you thinking about the zero dac/amp and the es10 headphones?

>>61028053
Sauce on waifu?

I need new headset can you recommend me some good ones?

https://www.thomann.de/gb/superlux_hd662.htm

I heard these are good but is too much hassle to attach your own mic to the headphones?

What happened to the Philips X2, are they gone forever or are they coming back on stock?

>>61032187
Consider HD600, 579, 599, 598se/sr, 558
Avoid 518 and 598Cs.

>>61031771
Material costs wont give you a good cabinet for that money let alone a crossover and drivers. Ten fold the budget for good quality. Beyond that you'll get improved LF extension, DI and max SPL handling.

>>61031914
One of the best earbuds on a poor amp.

2/10.

>>61032560
https://pastebin.com/fYZLW7Ub

>>61032912
>https://pastebin.com/fYZLW7Ub

>budget 30-40€
>Country: Finland I can order from Eu or China
>What are you plugging these into? Computer
>Type of headphone: Full sized for headset use
>closed
>comfort leve: as good as possible
>Past headphones: headsets like tactic 3d alpha

>>61032560
Those headphones should accept a V-Moda BoomPro without modification.

>>61033093
>30€

Is there cheaper variant of similar mic?

>>61029814
Why drivers, then? Generic USB audio class should work.

>>61032036
Satania a cute. A cute!!

>>61033135
https://www.amazon.com/dreamGEAR-BoomChat-Detachable-Headphone-Convert-Headphones/dp/B01DBZJ77W/
https://www.amazon.com/adapter-Microphone-Universal-Android-headphone/dp/B01HB9H4LK/
The reviews suggest they're cheap pieces of shit that'll break quickly. The V-Moda BoomPro is a well-built product, as V-Moda's tend to be.

'm planning on buying the Sennheiser HD 598 SR. Because i live in Europe (Belgium) I choose to buy from the French, Italian, German, Spanish or UK Amazon to dodge the ridiculous import fees.

There is a sale on the German amazon site for €158 although there was a sale of €130 on the Italian one a month ago.

Should i wait on the small chance of a price drop or is there another webstore that has lower prices?

>>61028370
Budget? Location? What type of music do you listen to?

>>61032700
Discontinued. A refresh of the X2's should be coming out pretty soon.

>>61027284
Can't tell if he's talking about those magical several hundred dollar volume knobs, or the potentiometer itself. The former is 100% BS. You should still get a decent potentiometer though, since the audio signal goes through it. Doesn't mean you have to buy an alps RK50.

>>61033718
I wanna try headphones under $40. Living here in the burgerland.
I listen to garbage music in garbage format. Quality doesn't matter to me when I'm on the go, my home stuff still works fine for anything.

>>61034065
Koss PortaPros are the best sounding headphones under $40 and have a lifetime warranty.

>>61034127
KSC75 if you don't mind clip on's.
SportaPro is the same as the PortaPro minus being able to roll up (they can still fold up, just not as small as the PortaPro)

>>61033686
See camelcamelcamel.

I need headphones to listen trance and etc music like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlABK0K-i6Y

>Budget
50-60€
>Location
Can order from EU or China
>Source
Computer
>Type of headphone
full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfortable as possible
>Sound signature
Good for electronic music like trance
>Past headphones
just iem's and gaming headsets

>>61034187
Superlux 662 EVO/669 or SR950/660
Somic MM185

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Just found these on sale. Are they a good purchase if I don't want to wait on shipping?
I think I remember a gift pair like these working well for me years back.

>>61034245
>Superlux 662 EVO
https://www.thomann.de/fi/superlux_hd_662_bk_evo.htm

These?

It seems also that it have male connector at the start of headphones so I can attach even mic to them?

>>61033093
Er, I take that back. Those don't have a detachable cable; the EVOs do.

>>61034321
>>61034321
It doesn't look like a BoomPro style mic would work well with that. You'd need a female to female adapter and it'd sway back and forth with that design instead of staying in place in front of your mouth.

>>61034321
There's also the HMC 681 though they're a lot bassier and darker than the 662 EVO. You can probably get a cheap mic like a Zalman ZM1 or Sony ECMCS3.

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Why has nobody been able to come up with a better headphone since the HD600 was introduced in 1997?

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>>61034460
>>61034405
I have old mic from my headset can does it work if I just use cable adapter and plug it to computer?

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>>61034636
They're too afraid to create the perfect 666 model.

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>>61034636
>1991
>still reigns as king

>>61034636
>>61032036
Dumb last season memer.

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>>61035101
Kek. No

>>61034636
Satania a cute. A cute!!

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>>61032478
Coffee-kizoku

http://konachan.com/post?tags=coffee-kizoku

>>61033158
It's asynchronous USB, also with the 5V power disconnected. It does work without any drivers on Linux and Mac, but with Windows it needs drivers in order to work properly

>>61035206
Windows 10 creators has good support for usb audio class2.
Windows 8+ has good support for class1.
Windows 7 has support for class1, but shitty/unreliable.
On Linux and OpenBSD, schiit (fulla2 class1 and modi 2 uber class2, my tested hardware) does just work.

Is Monoprice Desktop Amplifier any good? I need headphone amp+dac with preout for my active monitors. I was looking at Fulla 2 at first but there are many bad reviews of it's quality on head-fi.

>>61035158
What's that? I couldn't hear you because I fell into their 4k notch.

>>61035267
>10 ohm output impedance
Unacceptable.

>>61026931
I've got Beats EP, sale for 50$.
Did I get jewed?

They sound pretty good, but I've never actually had a good pair of headphones before these, so I have nothing to compare to.
It's obviously a 2000% improvement over dollar store earbuds.

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>>61035300

>>61035313
I hate you. Not him btw.

>>61035288
But why?

>>61035366
Won't work well with a large class of headphones, those with impedance <100Ω.
headphone:output ratio should be at least 10:1, else FR will typically suffer from it.

>>61035300
>beats ep for 50$
No clue if that's a good price in the market for that product.
>did I get jewed
Yes, because you probably wanted headphones that sound good, not a fashion accessory.
Pretty much any <$50 standard recommendation here will sound awesome compared to any beats.

>>61035418
But I want to buy headphone amplifier because >100Ω headphones. I have a 300Ω headphones and another with 250Ω.

>>61035238
I think it's for support of WASAPI, ASIO, DSD, etc. It wasn't too much of a hassle to set it up.

>50-150
>EU
>phone, maybe a dap in the future
>iem
>really comfy
>mostly listen to shoegaze, dream pop, slowcore, sometimes synthwave and hip hop
I would really appreciate any help, thanks

>>61035498
Those don't suffer from impedance mismatch, but sources that aren't specialized headphone amps do provide basically no power when the load has such high impedance (all sources have builtin amps, but they're biased to feed 50Ω at most and even then they cannot provide much current), so you get low volume and distortion when trying to raise volume.

>>61035158
Get that meme garbage outta here.

been using a logitech G230 for 3 years now. it has served well but its time to get something better. I just bought a Kingston HyperX Cloud from amazon for $80 - how'd I do?

>>61035878
But etymotics fucking suck.

>>61036274
Etymotic makes the best IEMs by a long shot.

This is a fact.

>>61036313
>Non detachable cable
>Ear rape triple inserts
>Ridiculous price tag
>"Best"

Yeah no. That's just weebs up talking them.

>>61036374
>>Ear rape triple inserts
>he doesn't like deep penetration

What are you, gay? :^)

>>61036374
>Non detachable cable
It has a detachable cable, retard.
>Ear rape triple inserts
Comfort is subjective, and many tips are provided and there's the option to use aftermarket tips. Kill yourself.
>Ridiculous price tag
Are you poor?
>"Best"
It's objectively the best because of its superior fidelity. Piss off.

What would be a good upgrade from the ath-m50x for around $200?

>>61036374
Etys are shit, truNEETs agree. Fake MAL retards are the ones doing the shilling.

>>61036418
Custom Studio

>>61036387
>using the smiley with a carat nose

>>61036934
(^:

>>61036950
>using the backward smiley with a carat nose

>>61035277
>4K Notch
Holy shit, that's a deep dip.

>>61033806
really? Using them as I type, listening to Uriah Heep. Should I feel special?

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Please help. I'm trying to get two pairs of headphones working on one computer, and while the testing sounds from the control panel and realtek audio manager come through, only the first pair of headphones to be plugged in can hear sound from programs. What do?

>>61037515
Are either of the headphones USB headphones, which are considered their own separate audio device by Windows? Are the two pairs of headphones plugged into two different audio devices? Most programs will only be able to output audio through one audio device at a time.

Anime was a mistake

I currently own the hd650 but looking for something brighter or even a bit v-shaped under $300
I'm using a O2/odac as source

>>61026931
I'm not much of an audiophile, but I bough the monoprice 9927 on recommendation from a friend. For all the praise it gets, it sounds just like the Sony ear buds that came with my phone. What kind of music would show the difference? What am I supposed to be looking out for? These much priased ear-buds seem pretty mundane to me. My phone had some earlier version of this : http://www.sony.ca/en/electronics/in-ear-headphones/mdr-ex15lp-15ap

>>61038238
DT880

Can anyone recommend a good set of earbuds? I'm looking for something that will be nice and portable for listening to music, light gaming etc. While living on my college campus.

>>61038311
Thanks!, should I get the 250 or 600ohm version?

I got some speakers positioned just out of comfy range where I need to move my entire upper body to adjust the volume on. Can I buy an amp and a long cable to connect it to the speakers to fix this

>>61038354
If they're the same (or close) price, then 600ohm.

How does the sound differs between the status audio cb-1 vs ob-1?
Is is worth getting both of them?

>>61038374
Compare them yourself.

https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/StatusSMCB1.pdf

https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/StatusSMOB1.pdf

What are some earplug that can actually last long?

>>61038956
ety ER-20.

I'd like a comfy headphone to work, something open and lightweight. Something cheap under 40 or 50€.
What is my best option? I'm sure there are okay plastic Sennheiser for that price range. Bonus for changeable cable.

Currently have a great but not comfy AKG K451

>>61039064
662 EVO

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help me /g/uys. I have the Sennheiser HD 558. It has a TRS connector. I have no audio interface, so I bought a TRS to 3.5 mm jack. My sound card is really good, so do I really need an audio interface? Pic related.

>>61039078
i have been notified that both are TRS connectors, so I am confirmed retarded. What the fuck is the connector that goes into the small boy that makes it able to connect to my pc?

>>61039116
its called a mini TRS connector and no you don't need an interface, it would just complicate things.

>>61036418
HD600, HD579, HD599, k702, HD598se/sr, DT880.

>>61038238
DT880, k702.

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Why do I always come back to HD-25?

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Anything you guys want to know about these? I've had them for about a week and they're honestly fantastic. I couldn't recommend them to anyone over the 600 though simply due to the price. While I do enjoy them more than the HD 600, if I was to give it a "% better" it would be in the ballpark of 20-30%.

>>61039530
Diminishing returns isn't surprising m8. What amp are you using for them?

>>61039486
Because they're fucking good.

>>61039544
Just a regular Modi 2 for now, I want to try high-end amps before I go buying anything else.

>>61039561
That's a DAC, silly.

>>61039596
You know I meant magni :(

>>61039757
>Magni
That's basically all you'll need unless you want a DAC+amp Combo later on that matches the stack or does better.

>>61039779
Yeah that's what I've heard, but as I said earlier I'm gonna try out something "better" if the opportunity arises

>>61039793
If I were in this situation, NFB-11 would be the next and last step in my opinion if you can find it reasonably cheap used.

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>>61026931
I love these things so much. They launch me off the planet when I listen to them.

>>61039820
Yeah I've heard good things about it, although I've also heard the drivers aren't exactly the greatest things in the world

M50's that I've had for 3 years just died, looking for new headphones, hoping somebody may be able to help me

Looking for a pair of closed back headphones, that have good clarity and bass response, mainly just listen to music and play games.
Budget is 100-250 AUD, although would prefer <200

Thanks /g/ents

>>61039892
When first installing them, their a cunt but is all smooth sailing after from what I've heard.

>>61039913
dt 770

>>61034636
Audeze LCD 2

Hey guys. I need a headphone amp with preouts. Cheaper = better. Can you recommend any?

>>61039757
>>61039793
>>61039820
>>61039892
>>61040073
Modi2 and Magni2 are transparent. Magni2 provides power for pretty much anything out there save crazy/special shit like electrostats that require specialized amps.
Better than schiit stack is audiophoolery territory.

>>61035628
Halp

>>61040489
Realtek 889 is transparent to.

>>61041034
>too
fix

>>61041034
Probably. Too bad throwing a good DAC in won't save your motherboard from sucking.

>>61041045
Explain.

Looks like Xiaomi are doing away with making 3.5mm jack earphones.

https://xiaomi-mi.com/news-and-actions/xiaomi-launched-noise-cancelling-usb-type-c-headphones/

With all of their phones seemingly ditching the jack recently, it doesn't look good.

>>61041065
Most if not all motherboards have good DAC chips in them.
Despite this, many do suck. High noise floors and other flaws aren't uncommon.
It's very possible to fuck up a design despite the good DAC chip, and the proof is on motherboards.

>>61041078
xiaomi joins the black list.

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>>61039892
The switch to Amanero over the USB-32 on the new NFB-11.28 they started selling just 3 weeks ago is supposed to be more user friendly. If you get one of those, you have nothing to worry about.

http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFN1128/NFB1128EN.htm

Even the one with USB-32, which is the one I own, isn't too complicated. If you're on Windows 10, you just follow these steps: https://pastebin.com/MdDZQ2Xk
Simple enough. And like I mentioned earlier in the thread, if you're on Linux or Mac, you don't need to install any drivers for it.

>>61040489
It only costs a bit more, and yes, it is superior to the Schiit stack. Arguably better than even the Jotunheim. It's also nice to have both a DAC and amp in a single device. In my opinion, you'll likely never need anything else (other than more headphones)

They're going for $299 + shipping right now because of the lead time. Another $20 for the TCXO upgrade, but that's optional.

>>61041181
>It only costs a bit more, and yes, it is superior to the Schiit stack.
Are you telling us it sounds better? Seriously?
>Arguably better than even the Jotunheim.
Besides balanced meme, does the jotunheim actually sound better than the stack?

>>61041078
It only makes it easier to buy a phone later. Takes less time trying to figure out what to buy. Now you just cross Xiaomi instantly

>>61032472
is that a micca origen? what the fuck happened to it?

>>61041771
Take it as a warning not to buy chink audiophool crap.

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>>61041210
>Are you telling us it sounds better? Seriously?

I don't exactly expect you to believe me, but yes, it does. However, I'm sure you could be completely satisfied with either the Schiit stack or an NFB-11. I by all means don't hate the stack, it's just outperformed (it is cheaper, though)

>Besides balanced meme, does the jotunheim actually sound better than the stack?

Balanced is definitely a meme. Completely unnecessary snake oil, as much as """audiophile cables""". Not worth it at all over the price of the Schiit stack, and I doubt there's any benefit worth mentioning to the Jotunheim over the stack.

>studying EE

Can I make easy money by scamming audiophiles?

>>61041804
is it copper shielding or something?

>>61041771
it actually fucking improves the sound quality in these

>>61041810
>I don't exactly expect you to believe me, but yes, it does.
Can you try to describe that? Like how they handle specific details in specific songs differently or such.
>jotunheim a meme
>any benefit worth mentioning to the Jotunheim over the stack.
Everything in one bigger box, some people do like that.
Bigger knob, see above.
Plenty of power, generally unnecessary but might help some corner case on some odd load.
Balanced. Peace of mind for some people. Harmless in any event.
Optional phono module. Some people do like their vynils. I obviously don't care but whatever.
5-year warranty (stack is 2-year).
Disclaimer: I own the uber stack, not the jotunheim. Not particularly interested on it as it is.

>>61041863
yes

>>61041863
>is it copper shielding or something?
>>61041868
>it actually fucking improves the sound quality in these
Go to >>61041804

>>61041939
It's a meme, not audiopoop crap

>>61041957
Why do people have such hard time admitting they got chinked?
Such beyers remorse.

>>61041969
How come it's a chink knock off? then where is the real thing?

>>61039486
>HD-25
are these fun for songs like neurofunk, dnb, dubstoop, and idm, ambient, dark ambient, artcore, chillout, lofi jazz?

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Is it ok if I'll do this kind of split?

>>61042383
Yeah, that's fine. What headphone amp and speakers?

>>61042410
SMSL sApVI and LSR305s.
My onboard audio codec works fine so I don't see any point in buying DAC.

>>61042451
Oh no RCA pass through. It'll work tho.

>>61039861
what music?

Will this work?

PC > Ext. sound card (X-Fi Surround Pro 5.1) > Dragonfly DAC > headphones?

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>>61042477
It's going to look like this.

>>61041927
The better DAC helps, and the amp as well. The 4490 Schiit uses is kinda mediocre compared to Audio-GD's implementation of the 9018/9028/9038 Sabre. The Schiit stack/Jotunheim each have a bit of a glare/harshness compared to the NFB-11, but you may not even notice it if you haven't tried much else

It's around the same size as the Jotunheim, and the volume knob feels really nice. Plus it has a 10 year warranty for free repairs.

>Jotunheim optional phono module

I suppose that'd be kinda cool to have. You'd need to buy a DAC to go along with the Jotunheim for other uses, though

>>61042540
How is the sound card going to connect to the dragonfly?

>>61042578
Use a switch box and not a splitter. You'll get a ground loop otherwise.

>>61041181
What exactly is the TXCO upgrade anyway. Is it worth it?

>>61041810
It's actually not more expensive either, as long as you're living outside the US.
Schiit's shipping is expensive

>>61042603
Oh. Somehow I thought there was a USB slot on the soundcard. Nevermind that.

Another question instead, is the X-Fi a DAC, is it a DAC + AI, or is it "just a soundcard"?
In other words, is it a good idea to get a real DAC + an AI, or does the X-Fi do both already?

I got the X-Fi from my brother recently so I have no idea what it can do other than that it improves listening to music on my PC. But if I can improve the sound even better/more efficiently, I want to do that now.

>>61042662
Clock upgrade to reduce jitter. I don't really know how significant of a difference it makes, but I got the two TCXOs with my NFB-11, one for the USB and the other for the DAC. You can get a TCXO upgrade for the DAC on the NFB-11.28, and I'd say you may as well go for it. Otherwise you'd always be left wondering how it is. Maybe even become a bit remorseful, heh.

>>61042736
True in some cases, I bet.

Unless you wanted to order from a reseller such as from here: http://www.magnahifi.com/webshop/product/AGD-NFB11.28

I recommend ordering directly from Audio-GD, and be patient as they build it for you.

Anyone knows where other than from US stores i could order original black pads for the DT880 that delivers overseas? Importing is kind of a pain where i live and US products have a higher chance of taxation. I tried aliexpress but only found cheap "alternate pads" that honestly look like they will both shit all over the sound and shit on themselves after a few months.

>>61042600
>The Schiit stack/Jotunheim each have a bit of a glare/harshness compared to the NFB-11
But maybe that's accurate? And that sable is softening the edges. Just saying. It's not like I've sat down and ABX'd DACs. The 4490 is reputable in any event.
Psychology is treacherous when it comes to audio.
>It's around the same size as the Jotunheim, and the volume knob feels really nice. Plus it has a 10 year warranty for free repairs.
So very jotunheim-like.
>(Jotunheim optional phono module) I suppose that'd be kinda cool to have. You'd need to buy a DAC to go along with the Jotunheim for other uses, though.
Yeah, I'm guessing line-in is always possible, and that sort of person will just buy a separate DAC like the bitfrost or the modi multibit (for extra meme power).

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Are these as good as they say they are?
Im planing on buying this pair and I dont want to get memed

>>61042578
if you have the money buy the micca origen +, it'll make things easier

>>61043145
Lol, audio technica.
WTF, white.

I'd suggest to avoid ATH-M50x. It used to be very good value for the price. Then the price went up, and it's not anymore. There's far more competitive options at the current price.

Also, the m40x and m50x are quite colored, despite the marketing as "monitors". M50x is even worse than m40x.

What is it that you're looking for, Anon? Fill the template, like >>61034187 did.

>>61042578
Look into the Schiit fulla2.

It will get you 2 aux outputs. One with volume control + automute, and another that's always on and unaffected by knob.

>>61043145
No. Do you actually need a portable headphone? If it's for use at home, there are much better choices. Even the M40x is better than the M50x

>>61043176
I'm thinking of buying O2+ODAC. It will cost me 245 euro.
Fulla2 and Origen+ will be about 135. And Fulla2 have some quality issues as far as I know.
But the SMSL costs 45 euro and it would fulfill my needs. Only if I knew how to make it work in my system.
Maybe Magni 2 Uber?

>>61043256
Oh and then there is Monoprice Desktop Amplifier but I can't find any info on how good it is.

I need headphones to listen trance and etc music like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlABK0K-i6Y [Embed]

>Budget
50-60€
>Location
Can order from EU or China
>Source
Computer
>Type of headphone
full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfortable as possible
>Sound signature
Good for electronic music like trance
>Past headphones
just iem's and gaming headsets

Are Superlux hd 330 or 660 or 662 good? Which one should I get?

>>61043256
Fulla 2, seriously.
>QC issues
Not anymore than the SMSL (really bad reputation) and the Origen+ (see photo above of a sad attempt at getting it to suck less).
Me and a three of my friends (one in same city, two in different countries) got fulla2 and no problems whatsoever.
Worst that can happen? You're super unlucky and end up with a faulty unit, despite the fact they test each of them before shipping. In such case, you just return it, and done.

>>61043256
O2/ODAC have credible measurements. Fulla 2 does not. Go with the O2/ODAC, they have been proven to be transparent as opposed to the audiophool poop that schiit produces.

>>61043181
I really like white

>Budget
150-160 (With Shipping) USD
>Location
Can Order From US & Canada
>Source
Computer
>Type of headphone
full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfortable as possible
>Sound signature
neutral
>Past headphones
Xiaomi Mi IV Hybrid

>>61043392
Yeah I really don't like that Schiit shills everywhere and their marketing.

>>61043409
>I really like white
>neutral
No niggerbass, got it.
>Computer
>closed
Is closed really a requirement...
Are you in a super noisy environment?
Do you have people within three meters of you?
If you answered yes to either, then you need closed. Else, you don't, and you should go open.

>>61043392
>>61043428
>audiophool poop
Unwarranted, baseless attack on schiit. So much hate.

>>61043145
Why the fuck samefag keep posting this shitty headpone?

>>61043256
the Magni 2 Uber would work, whathever you end up buying just make sure it has pre-outs otherwise you won't be able to control the speakers volume with the amp/dac volume knob
also the LSR 305 have only 1/4in and XLR inputs so remember to get the right adapters or buy something like the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 that have all the needed outputs already

>>61043464
Charging $2000 for a DAC isn't audiophool garbage?

>>61043392
O2/ODAC only have line-outs so it's not ideal for powered speakers

>>61043509
Get a pre amp.

>>61043490
>Charging $2000 for a DAC isn't audiophool garbage?
They sell you an excellent, transparent DAC for $99.
Can't blame them for not refusing the FREE MONEY from that other market, can you? Particularly since they based their whole strategy on somehow appealing to both audiophools and sane people.

>>61043448
Yeah, my family really noisy.
Id like at least some noise isolation

>>61043519
I haven't seen any measurements suggesting its transparent. Better to go with a known transparent source like the O2/ODAC.

>>61043525
Are they even in the same room? You're giving up a lot for isolation, seriously.

>>61043518
would be cheaper to get an amp/dac with preouts

>>61043531
>known transparent O2/ODAC
How fucked up would it have to be to not be transparent?
>haven't seen any measurements
Have you actually looked? Schiit hardware is reviewed to death, particularly the cheap products.

>>61043509
Walter from head'n'hifi builds them with preamp outputs.

>>61043542
No measurements. You're taking a risk. Just acknowledge that.
>>61043551
>How fucked up would it have to be to not be transparent?
I don't know. You don't either. No measurements.
>Have you actually looked? Schiit hardware is reviewed to death, particularly the cheap products.
The reviews are all worthless sighted listening tests. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though, cause I own a fulla2 myself. It looks nice.

>>61043540
At the moment i cant do much about it.
I'd still like your recomendations on the open ear headphones

>>61039379
>K702
i was actually considering the K712, it's slightly over my budget but if it's enough of an improvement i might just go for it, so how does it compare to the dt880

>>61043570
>head'n'hifi
nice, i wasn't aware of that seller

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-MEMT-X5-In-Ear-Earphone-3-5MM-Stereo-In-Ear-Headset-Dynamic-Earbuds-Hifi-Bass/32791508652.html
is this good?

>>61043576
>closed
Sennheiser HD380, Status Audio CB-1
>open (neutral-ish)
HD579, HD598se/sr (not Cs), akg k702
>open (somewhat v-shaped, still pretty neutral)
DT880 250Ω

Suggestion: Go read/watch reviews of these until you're sick of it. Buy confidently.

>>61043579
>k712 vs dt880
The akg has bigger soundstage and is more bass-heavy.
Here's a plot. HD600 included as a more neutral reference, as the graph tool is not compensated and doesn't have a harman target to compare against.
http://graphs.headphone.com/index.php?graphID%5B0%5D=573&graphID%5B1%5D=4163&graphID%5B2%5D=963&graphID%5B3%5D=&scale=30&graphType=0&buttonSelection=Update+Graph

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>>61043703
Thanks a lot anon

>>61043575
haha wat a fag

ignoring the price difference wich one is a better neutral headphone:
HD600 or Beyerdynamic DT1990

>>61043949
HD600, DT990 is intentionally V-shaped.

I would buy both, since DT990 is pretty cheap and HD600 is the GOAT.

>>61044228
>DT990
the DT1990 is a different model

>>61044274
>DT1990
Fuck, I misread your post.

Don't buy any Beyers past the DT770/DT880/DT990. They're shit.

https://www.0db.co.kr/xe/REVIEW_0DB/1919

>Budget
$150
>Location
USA
>Source
PC, on board sound
>Type of headphone
on-ear
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
wearing glasses so anything with soft as fuck pads or at least ones I can change out for velour would be great
>Sound signature
neutral/bassy either is fine (though I'm not looking for bass cannons that completely shit on the rest of the sound and muddy it)
>Past headphones
carbo tenores, I really like the overall sound signature of these for reference

Just looking for a nice pair of on-ears with comparable sound signature to the tenores at around $150~

>>61044572
Status CB-1
not sure if they're on or over ear

>>61039078
>didn't get a right angle adapter
Enjoy your broken headphone jack in the future.

>>61043791
You're welcome.

Cute... albedo?

>>61043949
>HD600
Best and most neutral full-sized headphone you can get. There's more neutral out there, but flawed (resonance, distortion, etc).

>>61044354
Translation for the rest of us?
Why are they shit?

I currently have a K7XX as desktop headphones.
I'm thinking of getting either a DT990 or a DT880 to change things up a bit.

Are they different enough to be worth the ~100€ second-hand or not ?

>>61045562
>spending hundreds of dollars on headphones without acquiring the superior HD600

>>61045357
i'm thinking on waiting until after the IFA 2017 as beyerdynamic will probably release the DT1880 there and it should be most neutral of the new line-up

>>61027353
Same as yours but hd 650 instead. Also got a pair of yamaha hs5 too. Oh and minus the idol garbage too.

>>61045721
>waiting
>for some company
>to POSSIBLY release some headphone
>to buy immediately or almost
>assuming it'll be any good and durable.
I suggest doing the sane thing. Just grab HD600. It's good. It's been around for a long time (1997). It is reputable. It is not expensive, particularly when considering value for money against other headphones in that price bracket.

>>61045721
>DT1880
That's going to be batshit expensive, and the odds it'll come even close to the HD600, when considering what beyer and everything else already has in the market, are lower than winning the lottery.

>>61042875
It's a dac/amp, probably good enough for whatever you're using it for unless it doesn't get your headphones loud enough. The dragonfly measures horribly although the reviewer said it still sounded just fine.
https://archimago.blogspot.com/2017/06/measurements-audioquest-dragonfly-black.html

>>61045785
IFA 2015 released the DT1770
IFA 2016 released the DT1990
DT1880 is probably coming to complete the new line-up
currently own the HD650, i have tried the HD600 and the difference is to small to justify buying them also
>no soundstage

>>61045923
Oh well, if you have the HD650 (too bad it's not HD600, the reference), you're probably better off looking at k712 or the like, for something different.
>no soundstage
Particularly, AKG is the way to go if you want exaggerated soundstage.

>>61045923
>DT1770 / 1990
$600. As DT880 is the expensive one, I expect even worse. But, even assuming $600, that budget gets you in the same bracket as the likes of HD800 and k812.

>>61045970
>>61046022
i'm not american so import fees fuck the prices, importing the K712 totals around $470, a local seller has a deal with beyerdynamic so the prices are more reasonable in comparison

>>61045671
I mean, I could get literally both Beyer for the price of the Senn.

>>61046172
The HD600 is literally twice as good and sales exist.

>>61045562
880 is the only 'decent' one of the bunch. 990 has awful treble and your 7XX is mud city. A HD600/650 would be better than any. Hell, a fucking K612 would be better. Bassy open backs in that price range are all pretty shit.

>>61047381
990 is THE beyerdynamic

>>61047658
DT990 is THE Beyerynac.

I need headphones to listen trance and etc. electronic music example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlABK0K-i6Y

>Budget
40€-50€
>Location
EU or Chink
>Source
PC
>Type of headphone
full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfortable as possible
>Sound signature
Good for electronic music like trance
>Past headphones
just iem's

Are Superlux hd 330 or 660 or 662 good? Which one should I get?

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>>61026931
>cute anime girl wearing STAX

>>61028590
Mine is being shipped soon and I can't wait. Going to bring my Fulla 2 to work and use it at home with the M1060 that should be coming today.

My m50s were sitting in a wet towel overnight because life is unfair.

Should I do anything alongside leaving them to dry? I moved them to a dry place this morning but the pads are still soggy.

If giving context makes you help a newfag like me out more, when it rains water seeps in through a gap between the wall and the ground. I put a towel there, which I put my headphones on, and it rained overnight... won't do that again but I don't live in squalor though...

>>61048389
>Should I do anything alongside leaving them to dry?
Pray the rain fixed the negrobass.

>>61048447
Yeah, alright, I know this. I was actually surprised when I realized apparently they aren't even recommended anymore.

They're actually the M50Xs, which have the removable cable. But no pride here. They're my first cans and I'm not sure I'd buy them again, but they've lasted a few years now.

>>61048484
If those shit the bed, the direct upgrade from there would be Custom Studios if you want a V-Shape.

>>61048540
Cheers. But I was never really aware of soundstage and all that. I just observed here and there that like, the m50s, plus another foldable really portable headphones were recommended by /g/. I went with the m50s since they seemed the safest, and the other cans were only like 40 dollars.

>Budget- $150

>Location- US

>Source- Cellphone primarily as these would be for travel

>Type of headphone- on ear, over ear

>Open or closed- closed

>Comfort level- as comfy as possible

>Sound signature- neutral to warm

I'm looking for something portable for airline travel that is extremely comfortable. Most IMEs bother my ears after a short time. I'm willing to go a bit higher on the budget for something ideal.

>>61048648
Responding to myself here. The name of the ones I couldn't remember were the Koss Portapros.

>>61048698
I have PortaPros, kinda wish I had gotten KCS75's or SportaPros.

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>>61047730
>m, i and d missing

>>61048648
PortaPros/KSC75/SportaPros are unironically better than M50x.

>>61045671
>spending hundreds of dollars on a memephone
Lmao

>>61049197
This is a memepost.

>>61048662
Status cb-1

Best pair of cans I could pick up for under fifty dollars?

>>61049818
Koss PortaPro/KSC75/SportaPro

>>61049818
Anything Superlux excluding the 681 EVO

How bad is the sound leak?
https://www.amazon.com/Superlux-HD681EVO-B-HD-681-Black/dp/B00CAG1ZAQ/ref=pd_sbs_267_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00CAG1ZAQ&pd_rd_r=RJ7SH5P2FMZZ6BF7J95A&pd_rd_w=n9QSv&pd_rd_wg=QemU0&psc=1&refRID=RJ7SH5P2FMZZ6BF7J95A

>>61050201
It's an open headphone, it leaks and is already pretty shitty with a fuckload of bass and is pretty dark. Look into the 662 EVO.

>>61049197
>hd600 is a memephone

Not the fag you're arguing with, but what the fuck are you talking about lmao. Please die

>>61049495
These seem perfect since they collapse. Unless someone else says otherwise I'll probably get these. Thanks

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>buy a headphone
>wait for it to arrive
>arrived today
>it's broken

I hate life

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>>61050757
>DoA
Sucks to be you. Time to RMA, nothing else to do.
Just to satisfy our curiosity, Anon... what headphone was it?

>>61050747
The cable they come with is a bit too long/heavy for portable use but the same company sells a better one for $10

>>61050976
It was Oppo PM-3. All this time I hear about how great their build quality is and the first headphone I order from them ends up having the earpad broken. What a fucking joke.

>>61051059
There isn't a product out there that isn't completely immune to defects, or possible mishandling from the post.

>>61051059
Amazon? Might be you're dealing with a returns abuser.
Like... yay, free replacement pads!
Some poorfag riff-raff aren't above doing that.

>>61051073
>that is completely immune
Fix'd.

>>61051073
Sure, I don't deny that. It still sucks when you hear about how good a company's build quality is and you get one that's broken straight out of the box.

>>61051088
No, I made a mistake and ordered it off Audio Advisor. I guess that's the last time I trust a non-Amazon vendor. Maybe Amazon is bad too but out of the several electronics I bought off Amazon, none of them have been defective out of the box.

Oh well, now I have to waste time with the RMA process and ship this stupid shit back.

>>61050004
Why not the 681 evo?

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I know I'm gonna be thrashed here because
>wireless

But I was willing to trade some sound quality or convenience.

Is the Philips SHB3060 any good? I can purchase it on 60% discount.

>>61051181
>It still sucks when you hear about how good a company's build quality is and you get one that's broken straight out of the box.
The odds might be low, but schiit happens.

>>61051334
Nope, you're not really going to get good bluetooth headphones until you get into the $100+ range. Stuff below that is all bassy chink garbage.

>>61051186
/measurements/brand-superlux/hd681-evo/
Stupid amounts of bass, relatively dark and a huge dip at 4Khz.

>>61051642
https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/brand-superlux/hd681-evo/
I can't copy and paste well...

>>61051334
POWERFUL NIGGERBASS!!!

>>61032700
>>61033806

i bet they will be worse

I love phillips but they have this real annoying habbit of making god tier headphones and then discontinuing them and replacing them with shite

case in point phillips she3590 was my favourite iem of all time - could walk down to the corner store and get a pair for $10 then they changed the build and they sounded worse then they totally replaced with the she3700 which was listenable

i dont know if its corporate malice or building a production run of diaphrams is a black art

>>61039861

lucky bastard

got jewed on ebay, bought a Cayin C5 and it won't connect via USB

I just want that niggerbass, bought a pair of JVC HA-SZ2000s to go with them.

>>61042501
Any Genre really

Lately I've been listening to a bit of Jazz and blues with some ambient and live rock recordings here and there. I gotta say they handle basically any music extraordinarily well.

>>61051448
>good bluetooth
>good
>bluetooth

>>61051994
Many exist. AptX and even SBC is transparent. If you can prove that you can hear a difference, go right ahead.

>>61052006
>limiting yourself to only lossless audio if you want transparency
>good
"No."

>>61052035
>listening to lossy audio
My entire collection is in FLAC. Get good, faggot.

>>61052046
People do more things with headphones than just listen to music. Is Youtube lossless? Is most game audio lossless? Is most anime audio lossless?
FLAC is impractical for portable use as well.

Am I a faggot if I go to raves by myself at 28 years old while sober

>>61052086
>Is Youtube lossless?
Youtube fucks with the audio anyways, you're not getting good audio out of youtube regardless.
>Is most game audio lossless?
>>>/v/
>Is most anime audio lossless?
My blu-ray rips are. Again, get good.

>FLAC is impractical for portable use as well.
Only if you're poor.

>>61052102

>you're not getting good audio out of youtube regardless.
Lossy bluetooth codecs will make it much worse.

>>>>/v/
>stop liking things I don't like

>My blu-ray rips are.
That didn't answer my question at all.

>Only if you're poor.
FLAC is impractical for portable use for most people, period. Most people use their phones for on the go music. Most people store lots of pictures and videos on their phone.

They're fucking shit, m8. Deal with it.

>>61052165
>Lossy bluetooth codecs will make it much worse.
Prove you can hear a difference.
>That didn't answer my question at all.
Your question is stupid.
>FLAC is impractical for portable use for most people, period. Most people use their phones for on the go music. Most people store lots of pictures and videos on their phone.
So 384GB isn't enough for your "pictures" and "videos" and however much flac? Considering "most people" manage with 64GB or less...nah. You're poor and mad about it.

>>61052193
>Your question is stupid.
It's not. It's completely practical given the demographics of 4chan. Most people on 4chan download anime. Most anime downloads do not have FLAC audio.
>384 GB
That's a small FLAC collection.

>>61052226
>It's not. It's completely practical given the demographics of 4chan. Most people on 4chan download anime. Most anime downloads do not have FLAC audio.

Again, prove you can hear a difference.

>That's a small FLAC collection.
It's more than enough for mobile use.

>>61052086
>FLAC is impractical for portable use as well.

bullshit the highlight of my day is downloading obscure 80's 24bit vinyl rip flacs and having a good listening session with some wine in the park

my iphone 6 has literally 100+ gigabytes of 24bit/48khz flac. Its fucking awesome through my kz's

>>61052243
>24-bit
>vinyl
You're trying too hard.

>>61052094
You do you, dude. If you're happy having fun going to raves and shit, you're fine. Live how you wanna live and live life well.

>>61052226
>>384 GB
>That's a small FLAC collection.
Indeed. Like,
$ du -hs idolmaster/
160G idolmaster/

And that's just idolmaster.

>>61052258

not even close buddy-o

>DSD vinyl rips

https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5395542

>>61048026
I'm sure you're going to like it as much as I do, Anon. If for some reason you don't, there's a high demand for any that pop up on the used market. Which is a rare occurrence, since most people don't want to sell theirs

>using anything but Opus for portable use

>being poor

>>61052544
>falling for the DSD meme

Redpill or Bluepill me on R2R DACs like those from Metrum and Soekris.

New thread:
>>61053433

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Noob here with a question.
Recently bought HD 650s and fiio e10k from a buddy of mine, then bought myself magni2/modi2 stack. I'm using my PC as the source.

I noticed that while I used the e10k, windows playback devices recognized it as SPDIF. But now Modi 2 shows up as USB speakers. My understanding is that you want to bypass your mobo's DAC and send a digital signal to the external DAC. Is this happening with modi? I'm able to get audio out of magni 2 when the stack is hooked up, does that mean i have bypassed the mobo's DAC and everything is working as intended?

>>61053424
Old design whose precision depends exclusively on a fuckload of passive analogue components. I haven't read up how they handle modern hinder formats. I only remember seeing 16 bit r2r schematics