/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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I finally received my Noctua AM4 bracket, /g/!
I mounted my NH-D15S and now i'm doing overclock stability tests on Ryzen Master, to see what is stable and what isn't. Unfortunately my motherboard's heatsinkless VRMs or the PSU (i don't know which is causing it between the two but i am certain it is not the CPU) are giving me some troubles so i can't overclock my R7 1700 very far, but i'll be buying a new PSU and some thermal pads (that i will use along some small heatsinks that i already have) in a few days so i'll get to reach the limit of my CPu in a few days!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3GX82R

Hello I'm a faggot.

>>60987572
>that build
Yes you are.
Here. I fixed it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2qsTgL

>>60987600
Why the fuck do you need that psu? You are not running a i9.

>>60987600
I haven't seen any benchmarks that have convinced me to buy Ryzen CPU's. They're just way shittier at single core and wuad core performance. They're better at multicore(4+) applications but literally no one cares about that. How much of your computing is going to be directed towards that? It just seems like a poor reason to get a shittier CPU for a marginally cheaper price.

>>60987639
Benchmarks start @6.40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY_NXmEUvjA

I'm a 7700k owner and yet I can stay objective and tell you that Ryzen is the best buy at the moment. Only exception is if you're big on high end emulation or 144hz competitive play then the 7700k might be best for you. The video will show you Ryzen having better frametime overall.

>>60987639
They're at worst, 9% worse at single thread performance, and their multi-thread performance is on par with the fucking broadwell E chips

>>60987624
I didn't change his PSU. I'm not him dipshit.

>>60987702
>>60987694
Also do Ryzen motherboards have optane motherboards, just curious.

>>60987724
Not at the moment. That would require licensing and permission from Intel.Besides, doesn't optane ONLY work with Intel SSD's, which are nowhere near the best in class anyways?

>>60987639
>They're just way shittier at single core and wuad core performance.
I wish people would stop talking about things they know nothing about
Also,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

>>60987279
how much would a threadripper rig cost? threadripper - $849
vega - $1200
mobo - $599
32gb ram - $250
500gb ssd - $179
decent big case - $150
1200w psu - $309
cooling - $100

TOTAL - $3636
you can easily trim it down to less than $3000 but what's the point then?

sources for prices are from newegg and these links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nynBEGCtg90
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-vega-frontier-edition-air-liquid-cooled-pre-order-1800-usd/
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-16-core-cpu-849-us-price-x399-motherboards/

>>60987694
After watching that I'm still getting an i5.

>>60987825
I don't think there's really any actual Optane tech out yet. Its something that interests me though. I do meme shit. To me the performance in single core/threaded apps pretty much means I'm literally not getting a Ryzen CPU or a new Intel CPU. It would take some absurdly high drops in multithreaded apps (stuff not working very well) in order for me to purchase a Ryzen CPU.

Even then I'd just get two separate PC's.

>>60987870
You can easily drim that down to 1500

>>60987861
Show me a dwarf fortress test.

>>60987888
just get one yourself man

Motherboard doesn't support my specific M.2 drive. Will a PCIe adaptor get around this? Can see it in BIOS but not in OS (Mint and W10).

>>60987879
The single thread performance hit is way less than you're making it out to be.
TO illustrate, just look at gaming benchmarks, since most games relie on heavy single-thread performance. The Intel chips will often hit higher framerates, but it's nothing you'll notice. What you WILL notice is the increased amount of dropped frames and stuttering from the Intel chips since they're often running either at 100%, or close to it.
4 cores and 4 threads just aren't enough these days The single-thread performance gap is tiny. You'll never notice it. This isn't the bulldozer fiasco.

>>60987870
>vega - $1200
That's for the version for BUSINESSES dipshit. The consumer one hasn't been released yet.

>>60987886
threadripper+mobo alone are 1400$. i doubt there will be any threadripper mobo below 250$ so lowest you can go is 1100$.

>>60987921
So you're saying I'm not going to get fucked with a 20%+ performance drop in dwarf fortress compared to overclocking the i5? I'm moving my budget into ram then if I get the 1600, Can I run it at like 3.8/4 ghz with the cooler I have selected in the build or do I need to use liquid cooling?

>>60987951
air cooler is good enough
those big ass noctuas are fine
overclocks to 4GHz while staying below 1.35v is silicon lottery

>>60987951
>games are now running on cpus not gpus
What a time to be alive. Just get your precious i5. Then come back and report.

>>60987951
>So you're saying I'm not going to get fucked with a 20%+ performance drop in dwarf fortress compared to overclocking the i5?
correct. The single thread performance is at most, 9% worse, and at best the same. Anything under 10% you'll never notice.
Yes, the Cryorig H7 should support a 4.0 Ghz overclock. That said, the 1600's stock Wraith Spire cooler can handle a 3.7/3.8 Ghz overclock.

>>60987974
No, he should go with Ryzen. This isn't the bulldozer fiasco.

>>60987974
The specific game I'm talking about runs on the cpu and essentially completely ignores GPUs. That being said I also play normal games. Its just the trend of more/less powerful cores is kind of shitty for that one specific game. The info on benchmarks for it is also vary hard to organize and its spotty as performance can vary depending on how you play the game and how you set the game up. Ram also plays a huge role apparently.

Is there any limit to the amount of ram a single application can use if its 64 bit?

>>60987974
Don't encourage people to get shit hardware

any big increases in powerdraw for an OCed 1600?

>>60988007
seven

>>60988001
>Is there any limit to the amount of ram a single application can use if its 64 bit?
Depends entirely on Windows, check your version, Microsoft fucks around with gimping how much RAM you can have between Pro, Home, and Enterprise.
Technically you can use 16+ million TB but good luck getting that much RAM.

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since yesterday you were all nice and shit, I came here once again
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/DF8GgL
this might be my quasi final build, I will make the orders tomorrow or the day after
r8/h8 pls

epyc is launching today...

>>60988030
Get minimum 256GB SSD for OS since you're probably a windows ignoramus. Check reviews on that PSU and see tier rankings, you don't want a real housefire in your hands. And where the fuck are you going to get an rx 480 for that price, they're fucking sold out everywhere.

>>60988026
reading more about it, its sounds like cache size and ram latency are the biggest things (along with the cpu clock).

I have only vague understandings of what cache is from watching the handmade hero programming streams doing some low level C. Forgive me if this is retarded please. Is the cache split up between the physical cores of the CPU? or will one thread utilized the entire L3/L2/L4/L1 cache?

>>60988049
fugg :DD I didn't check amazon, you're right, the 480 is not available
at this point it's either 1050ti or 1060 3gb
any ideas?

>>60988076
>Is the cache split up between the physical cores of the CPU?
Depends on the Architecture of the chips.
Here's an example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfrBYKd_qAs

>>60988081
1060s are getting jacked in price thanks to miners. 1050ti? Not worth it, better off with two aftermarket rx 560s that can crossfire and save up money so you can splurge on either Volta or RX Vega. Stay away from Vega workstation cards, those are going to be pricey.

>rx 560 vs 1050 ti
pair with 1400
which should I go with?

>>60988163
whichever is in stock and cheaper

>>60988163
whichever is in stock and cheaper. Miners have ruined the GPU market at the moment due to ethereum mining.

>>60988163
1050 ti more powerful by a decent amount

>>60988187
Miner even use 560s? I thought they just used 570s and 580s

>>60988214
They're grabbing whatever they can so they can ride the market high at the moment. This bubble is huge.

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>wifi not working on new motherboard
>spend hours trying to figure it out
>board has no wifi card

>>60987879
>After watching that I'm still getting an i5.
You can't be serious? At least get an i7... goddammit.

What is a normal PCH temp?

My cpu and mobo are a constant 30-32 while the PCH is fucking 45 degrees 24/7...

Hey lads, my trusty old gtx770 has died(and it seems in a very unfortunate moment with all these cryptojews running around and sweeping GPUs off the shelves), now I have to replace it fast.
Is 1050ti a good replacement?

>>60988256
No, but it's better than Intel iGPU.

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>pcpartpicker show a gpu as in stock from amazon
>go to amazon, it sends in 5-6 weeks

>>60988256
Watch 1050ti benchmarks on Youtube and judge whether it's good or not for you?

It performs very well in some games but in others it doesn't, so it's up to you. Safe bets @1080 are 1060 6GB and RX cards but those are either overpriced or out of stock.

>>60988274
They just use it for mining for a few weeks, just buy it man.

>>60987903
Anyone mind giving an option please?

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fucking miners I swear

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>>60988218
I still don't get "mining". So you just calculate a magic number that is released every period of time and people get the right answer awarded some coins. What's all of this based on? There is no products or services in real life whatsoever except the equipments bought and power consumed. Isn't this look like nothing but a fraud and bubble could poop anytime? Or am I just retarded and don't get it?

>>60988335
There's value in refining the algorithms that calculate those numbers. Gives insights that can help in other functions.

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what's a good cpu that goes well with an rx460?
is the rx460 a good choice?
thanks

>>60988268
>>60988282
Sorry I'm sort of idiot when it comes to hardware guys, I don't know what to choose and just want to replace fried piece of equipment with something similar, maybe only slightly better.
770 was more than enough for all my needs, which mainly was some games and /3/ activities.

>>60988375
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=770+vs+1050+ti

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>>60988348
>insights
wew lad then I should thank all those motherfucker miners who bought all rx cards for discovering cure for cancerin the near future

10-12-12-28 @ 2400 2x8gb
or
14-14-14-34 @ 3200 2x8gb

Which will be faster at processing lots of small shit?

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How is this build?
Yes I need almost everything because I'm a laptop fag.

Budget is around 700€ including monitor etc.

I have an i7 4790 and a z97 pro gamer Mobo, how longer do you guys think these will last me before I need to upgrade?

>>60988551
Jettison that old trash and upgrade to an Intel® Core™ i9-7900X right now goy.

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>>60988551
For a long time. But why did you combine a locked un-overclockable CPU with an unlocked motherboard?

>>60988534
siamo nella stessa barca anon, il mio budget è il solito, potresti linkare la lista in pic pls?
ma quanto fa incazzare vedere le differenze di prezzo tra usa e europa? vai su pcpartpicker e la stessa build costa 300 euro in più, cazzo
per non parlare della disponibilità delle schede grafiche, 2-4 settimane?
volevo prendere la solita ma mi sa che mi dovrò accontentare della rx460

>>60988534
That Pentium G4560 is only recommended for basic bare bones $500 builds paired with an RX560 or 1050Ti.
If you're spending that much on an RX 580 graphics card, you can afford to step up to an AMD Ryzen 5 CPU with a B350 motherboard.

>>60988569
This is my first PC I built around 2 years ago, I wasn't entirely sure what went with what then
Granted i'm still not that well versed in PC components now
Was mainly wondering now since I recently updated my GPU

>>60988595
Keep in mind the build includes monitor, keyboard, case, wireless card. 500$ builds refer only to the internals parts right?
Also this stuff is more expensive in europe.

>>60988582
http://amzn.eu/ffEH7jJ

>>60988335
The number maintains the transactions themselves, that's the service they provide. The value is agreed upon by users of cryptocurrency (largely depending on artificial scarcity set by difficulty), and it appears there's a lot of interest in anonymous transactions. That specifically applies to the likes of Bitcoin and Litecoin, Eth is a little bit different in that directly it isn't a currency, it's a data structure maintained across decentralized virtual machines and its incentivized by tokens which are the actual cryptocurrency.

>>60988634
grazie

>>60988634
>500$ builds refer only to the internals parts right?
right. I wasn't including the peripherals. Either downgrade the graphics card or upgrade the processor/motherboard.

>>60987279
>>RX570 - 1080p@60hz at high, running most maxed older games at 144+hz.

They're all sold out. Why even bother listing it?
Also
>lumping 1050 Ti with the 560

>>60988703
>They're all sold out. Why even bother listing it?
See the note about GPUs on the bottom. The problem isn't limited to AMD cards anymore.

>>60988654
Ok, after looking it up I still think it's a good combo.

Upgrading to the Ryzen 5 would cost 140€ more
Downgrading the gpu is not worth it because the 560 would give me 20-25 less fps on demanding games, see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnkzujSsEnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGqpSFuxFMs

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/W6p6bj

gaming, i know i have to special order the mobo

>>60988753
Shit I didn't notice the gpu is OC in the first video, so it's not that dramatic.
Still I prefer the 580 because I can always upgrade the processor in a few years when gen 7 intel will be cheaper.

>>60987336
Take some fan and point it at the VRM
Essential for serious overclocking

I bought an i5 7600k & MSI Krait Z270 for about $350, should I sell it and buy Ryzen instead? I have only the CPU & motherboard at this stage, but am also thinking about selling my current computer and laptop to just go all out with Ryzen.
I was considering the 1600 as I have video editing/creating, emulating, animating, and a small server VM (until I can be bothered getting a dedicated system), so I might consider SLI/Crossfire eventually.
Anyone mind giving some ideas?

>>60988789
You'll need to upgrade you motheboard and maybe ram too. It's easier and cheaper to replace your gpu later man.

Budget
$400
I want to build a mini-PC that's sorta strictly for browsing/controlling things remotely/watching movies in 4k on it
What's a good case I should start with?

>>60988030
This PSU would be much better
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/nB3RsY/seasonic-power-supply-s12ii620bronze
And might as well get a 2TB HDD, only like 20€ more
1TB gets full really quickly
16GB RAM would also be nice if it fits the budget
And this would be a better board for about 10€ more
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/yBtWGX/asrock-ab350-pro4-atx-am4-motherboard-ab350-pro4

Just some suggestions to improve it for just a little more money
But overall you got a nice build

>>60988817
>upgrade you motheboard
Is there something wrong with kaby lake?

>>60988840
Inwin 909. Great case.

>>60988753
You're thinking short term buddy.
When you want to upgrade to the processor to eliminate that bottleneck, you're going to go straight from the G4560 to an i7. The i5 isn't enough of a step forward.
THAT is why we suggest ryzen with a shit GPU. You're more likely to upgrade the GPU later since it's more cost-effective to do so, and the Ryzen chips have a better upgrade path than the G4560 does. The LGA 1151 platform is about to be killed off. Meanwhile, the AM4 platform Ryzen uses is good through 2020.
Downgrade the GPU and switch to a Ryzen 5 setup. It'll be cheaper in the longrun

>>60988753
Listen to that man >>60988926, I just did the exact same thing yesterday, went 1600 with a shit GPU rather than a Pentium build.

>>60988855
Yes. Only the Z270 boards support overclocking. and if you plan to upgrade the CPU, chances are you'll want an overclockable model like the i7 7700k.
And this is before mentioning the LGA1151 platform the Kaby lake and Skylake chips use is going to be killed off soon when Coffee Lake arrives in a few months.

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what is exactly "bottleneck", and how do I avoid it?
thanks for the spoonfed

Anyone has an intel worth looking at none poorfag builds?

>>60988847
thanks anon

I'm glad to see /g/ warming up to AMD. Last time I posted here suggesting someone get the rx480 a team of Nvidia fags started having autism rants about the gtx1060 being the best card ever even when it was losing almost every modern benchmark.

I swear Nvidia could sell a rectangular concrete brick in a box for $600 and Nvidia faggots would buy 2 of then for SLI.

>>60988974
nope. Intel is pretty shit at the moment on the performance per dollar front. The ONLY good thing they have going is that Pentium G4560 you see so often in budget builds.
AMD has Intel over a barrel with performance per dollar. a $200 Ryzen 5 1600 processor grants you performance on par with an i7 7700k, so why bother with intel when you'll spend more money for the same performance?

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>>60989034
>I swear Nvidia could sell a rectangular concrete brick in a box for $600 and Nvidia faggots would buy 2 of then for SLI.

>>60989036
Thank you someone fucking said it. Literally no reason to go Intel at the moment, and AMD threadripper is going to solidify that.

>>60989034
The other night I was playing BF1 and people on the chat were all saying how AMD was the shittiest thing ever and how Intel and Nivida were the only companies that mattered.

Gaymers mentality sadly won't change overnight.

>>60988840
Cooltek/Jonsbo U1 or U1+

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>>60988392
Soooo... what should I replace it with? I don't have much money.

>>60989070
Meanwhile battlefield 1 has vulkan optimization that works best with AMD GPUs and the AMD offerings still do better with DX12 than Nvidia...

What a beautiful time to be alive.

>>60988899
Or the Chopin if mini is important

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for my new pc I'm considering going with smaller form factor, perhaps microATX. Is this a good idea? What should I read up beforehand?
cpu gpu: ryzen1600+rx470 (already pre-ordered)

>>60989096
That's a very nice case but it looks like they only sell it in UK or marked up for US is there anything for US bros?

>>60988935
>>60988926
>>60988939
I informed myself a little more and I agree with you, it's good advice.
But because of IRL reasons I think I will still go for my setup, here's why

I'm a student so I don't have a lot of money right now but I will in the future.
My setup is cheaper and better (for gaymes) on the short term, but in a few years I will probably have a good job (engineering) so the extra cost won't be a problem at all.

>>60989126
AMD is announcing Vega next month. It's expected to just be high end but there MAY be something low end for ya.
As a note for the future, I'd stick to AMD cards. Not because of mining or performance per dollar. But simply because they don't become outdated and unusable as quickly. A GTX 780 which is only like 4 years old has had massive performance drops in the past year, while its main competitor at the time, the AMD R9 290/390 is still usable and still offers great performance on par with AMD's current RX 580 cards... at least until Vega arrives.

>>60989218
just think of those years though. You'll have to scrap the entire build and start fresh. If you're sure the Pentium will do alright for the timeframe, and don't mind scrapping the entire build when you have the money for it, then do it.
I still recommend an Ryzen 5 1400 with a B350 motherboard though.

I've got an Hyper tx3 evo, in the hypothetical case in which I get a ryzen processor, is the 1600 cooler better or should I get the 1600x and keep my cooler?

>>60989236
Yeah fucking exactly. Before I got an rx480 I used a 7950 for 4 years. It worked great even until the day it was replaced. Meanwhile my friends with gtx 660s and 760s were crying because they had to buy another mid range card two years later because of how shitty Nvidia drivers are towards legacy models.

The only reason I replaced the 7950 was because I couldn't completely max out games I was playing (Titanfall 2 and battlefield 1) it still ran everything 40-50 fps on high settings and I ended up giving it to a cousin who started getting into PC gaming.

>>60989284
Actually, the coolers are on par with each other. I'd either get a better cooler or just use the stock one.

>>60989209
Lian Li Q21, Q11 or if you never want a real GPU for it the Q07 is nice. They aren't much cheaper tho. Thermaltake V1 I easy to build in and cheap but has no space for an optical drive. Also check out Silverstone.
Slap in a G4560, 110 chipset mainboard with WiFi, 8 gigs of ram and a nice 450w PSU and there you have your Internet browsing / nostalgia gaming machine.

>>60989294
thanks

>>60989236
But I need it now! Is there any way to repair my old card?

>>60989294
one other question, what kinds of clocks are possible to get on a 1600 with the stock cooler?

>>60988460
I'm pretty sure speed is more important than latency

>>60989327
It's likely not a problem with your card, but the drivers. nvidia gimps their drivers on legacy cards to force you to upgrade every 2 years as this guy said.
>>60989293

Just wait for vega or spend more money on a better AMD card

>>60989360
3.7/3.8 Ghz

>>60989379
Is it worth buying an H7 for those +.2/.3 Ghz?

>>60989424
That's on you. I wouldn't, but that's me and I'm not a big overclocker.

>>60989369
Well I dunno man, I tried reinstalling drivers several times and cleaned old ones, it behaves okay-ish when I surf interwebs or watch videos or read manuals\books, but the moment I open up heavy 3d app like zbrush I use to work in or any game, the exact moment temp rises to 60C windows gui screws up, spews graphic artifacts all around and finally driver stops responding.
I don't really have expertise to know exactly what is happening but I think it's a hardware problem.

>>60989441
Because the latest drivers gimp how the card works. You'd have to go back to 2 year old drivers and that's NOT a good idea.
Just file it under "lessons learned: nvidia drivers suck"

>>60989459
The irony is that Nvidia asslickers constantly berate amd drivers on unfounded contrived platitudes.

Meanwhile Nvidia drivers literally gimp legacy models.

>>60989459
But it worked perfectly fine until something happened and artifacts showed up and I didn't really upgrade drivers often.

>>60989495
IIRC, the driver should update automatically. Mine do. My laptop uses a 4GB 1050.

Why is my HDD and GPU so hot. The HDD is old, but the GPU is 14 days old. I cleaned out all dust etc before plugging it in.
This is while i run a game at ultra.

Guys, which monitor I buy?
Is it true that an IPS is way better than TN? What about the size, is 27" too big or the best one is 24"? Is 144Hz really worth it?

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>>60989516
Forgot picture... RIP

>>60989528
which 1080Ti is it? If it's a founders edition, they're known for being overheating housefires.

Let me run something by you all, and let me know if it's crazy.
I've essentially built my new PC over the past two weeks, except for the GPU because fuck the miners.
I'm a student working a summer job, so I've been buying parts 1 at a time, when I get money or when they're on sale.
I'm picking up extra jobs for this sole purpose, so money isn't a huge issue in the long run, especially if I'm waiting(tm).

What should I do about my lack of good GPU? My current thoughts are either save some more and buy a 1080, wait for the bubble to burst and go with my origional 580, or wait (for vega?) forever with a useless pc because no integrated graphics, and I won't buy anything that I'll just replace.

Here's my build for reference.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G8pkr7

My absolute wet dream of an idea is buying a pair of used sapphire ltd Nitro's for crossfire and swap out the fans (which I have read are usually the biggest problem, short of the GPU being wholy burned out).
Sorry for the long post. Thoughts?

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>>60989542

Where can I learn more about components?

>>60989493
Thre reason for the nvidia slit lickers arguing about AMD drives is because Radeon was originally ATI before AMD bought them, and ATI had some shitty drivers back in the late 90's/early 2000's.
Driver development has been big for them since AMD bought them.

>>60989518
>IPS is way better than TN
on colors and viewing angles, yes

>is 27" too big or the best one is 24"?
depends completely on resolution, I personally wouldn't go above 120 pixels per inch

>Is 144Hz really worth it?
I don't know, someone else will have to answer that

>>60989036
So the jew lose?

>>60989549
>What should I do about my lack of good GPU?
I would save up and wait for either Vega, or for the mining boom at the moment to crash so prices return to normal. not much else TO do. I wouldn't go nvidia specifically for the drivers issue mentioned here:
>>60989236
>>60989293

>>60989528
monitor fan usage using msi afterburner. try setting a custom fan curve.

>>60989601
for now, the jews have lost. And Intel just released the X99 HEDT replacement, X299.
Yea... here's how the market is taking it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3ssad0qZuU

>>60989556
Im thinking about buying 2 of these and then the new OGD r9 for 7k 60fps gaming for the vr

>>60989518
>>60989569
>IPS is way better than TN
it's NOT TRUE in some cases. good TN panels have colors (especially after calibration which takes ~3min) on par, if not better, than IPS panel do. viewing angles are still worse but if you're only gaming then this shouldn't be a problem.
Dell usually has good TN panels, though the only way to be sure is to check reviews done by professional sites.

>Is 144Hz really worth it?
144hz to 60hz is what 60fps is to 30fps. so gameplay feels WAY smoother and it DOES help in competitive gaming. don't expect to hit 144fps in AAA games on gtx1070 though.

>>60987279
Thanks OP for adding back the 7700k for 144hz gaming

I was thinking about building a PC for doing some study / work on machine learning.
I currently have a day job as a mechanical engineer, but I was wondering if it makes sense to drop 3k$ on a HEDT for ML (let's say something based on Threadripper + Vega/Pascal/Volta) or if it would be better to pay for a web-based service for a few months and then to decide what to do.

>>60989767
I would go for the HEDT if you can afford it. Threadripper + Vega is likely to be the best value per dollar like everything else AMD does.

>>60989804
not him, but aren't the bigger ML frameworks based on CUDA?

>>60989831
We don't know anything about Vega yet. Don't make assumptions anon.

>>60989606
Alright, thanks. Should I be worried about my current build (R5 1600) bottlenecking anything?

>>60989901
Not unless you get something extremely high end (read: expensive as fuck). The R5 1600 has performance on par with the Broadwell E 6800K.

Why are the 1700xes cheaper than the 1700s on Amazon right now? Am I being memed?

>>60990147
because people are buying 1700 a lot more than 1700x

Bought a 1060 6gb for $240 and frankly it seems like overkill for what I'm doing, mostly playing older rpgs and strategy games.
Could I sell it for a profit thanks to the mining boom and be happy with an RX560?

Only AAA title I'm interested in is Witcher 3 and I don't mind turning settings down.

>>60990147
>>60990163
Nevermind, I'm a retard. When you click "see all buying options" the lower price is due to it being used.

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I'm looking to buy a 1080ti before they go out of stock everywhere due to this mining craze, which version is generally regarded as being the best, no coil noise, etc?

Talk to me about future proofing.
Is it a meme? What can I buy today that will run mid-high games well for the next 5-6 years?

>>60990195
The 1060 is still in stock so no. When they run out maybe.

>>60990234
I think you're safe. The 1070 is the best nvidia card for mining. Those will go before 1080Ti's

>>60990234
Asus Strix or MSI Gaming

>>60990147
if they are from a good vendor go for it, probably becausethey're not selling, compared to the non-x versions.
They have a better cooler and you have better factory OC.

>>60989558
the generals about computer components? or the specifics of each brand and so? anyway, everything is online. tech youtubers are a good place to start, since everything is digested for a mainstream audience.

>>60988949
huh, I thought that the concept of bottleneck was pretty self explanatory, and it works on many environments, not just computer hardware.
the concept goes like this: "your machine will be as fast as your slowest component"

for examply, if you plan on gaming and you have a 6 year old CPU and pair it with the latest high end graphcs card, you will experience a bottleneck where you wont get the full advantage of the GPU simply because the CPU can't keep up with it, drastically reducing perfomrance.

Same goes with a great CPU and a insufficient amount of RAM and so on.

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Hey, y'all. Just put together my first PC but I'm having an issue actually getting it started. The fans are running, as is the video card, and the heat sink. However, it is not sending a signal to my monitor. Any advice would be appreciated.

>>60990260
Not him but in EU/germany most are gone already. Only "premium" 1070's are available. Miners need to die in a fire. Hope that shit crashes without survivors.

>>60990314
post build (on PCPP prefereably)
>check every connection
>make sure that your monitor is connected to the GPU and not the MoBo
>Sometimes new systems take a while to Post. so once the fanst start spinning let it run for a couple of minutes.

>>60990314
Make sure your monitor is plugged and set to the right input first, some don't auto recognize.

>>60990314
RAM channels should be mismatched. Read the manual, it's usually (left to right) A_1, B_1, A_2, B_2. Try A_1, A_2 OR B_1, B_2 i.e. one left slot between the RAM sticks.

>>60989267
In the end I think I will go for the Ryzen, the build costs 106€ more but seems to be worth it.
I won't buy it until end of August so I have time to decide and prices might drop.

Thanks to everybody for your input!

>>60990314
did you plug the monitor into the motherboard or the graphics card? Ryzen doesn't have integrated gaphics so the HDMI/DVI/VGA ports on the motherboard are useless. They're there for AMD's upcoming APU's. You have to plug it into the graphics card

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>>60990338 >>60990341 >>60990353
Groovy, I'll try it. Also, theres a non-zero probability that its the shitty hdmi cable i'm using.

>>60989518
>>60989681
Thanks guys.
Which one should I get?

http://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/curved-cfg70fqu/LC24FG70FQUXEN/
https://www.asus.com/uk/Monitors/VG248QE/

Please don't say "none", other options might not be available in my country.

>>60990195
Depending on how low you want to run the settings, the RX560 can be perfectly playable on Witcher3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrJ330NGjCU

>>60990367
Check your connection to your monitor.

>>60987870

Vega won't be $1200. That is for frontier edition, like Nvidia titan series. Vega will probably be $600-$800

>>60990476
>Vega will probably be $600-$800
Didn't they announce a total of three versions of which one will be a cut down entry version for like $400-500? If Vega really is that expensive i might as well buy a 1070 now.

>>60990419
>https://www.asus.com/uk/Monitors/VG248QE/
depends on your buils mostly. witha Ryzen CPU you might see a fps bottleneck since single core optimization for current games. so for 144fps you're better off with a 7700K and a 1070-1080

>>60990507
They didn't announce jack shit. That was why everyone was waiting for computex where they announced literally nothing.

Anyone got the new stock standard build lists?
i accidentally erased my history and i cant find the archive...

>>60990637
There is no stock. Every build is based on your budget

>>60990633
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-cards-reportedly-launching-june-5th-lineup-includes-3-skus-priced-at-599-499-399/
This is what i mean. Sure, at this point everything is speculation because of how shit AMDs marketing is, but if there won't be a $399 or $499 reference card there's no point in waiting for me.
Prices will be like 450€ and 550€ here in EU anyways and if the 450€ won't be available i might as well buy a 1070 now. Otherwise for 550€ i can get a good 1080.

Tell me about mice.

I'm planning to finally stop using shitty generic $5 mice.

What's DPI and does it matter? Is the higher DPI the better? I saw one that has 2000 dpi and another that has 3200 dpi

>>60990637
>>60990671
and based on what you're doing with it.
Even when gaming, builds change depending on the games you play, your budget and the targets(fps, resolution, streaming, CPU intensive games, etc)

>>60990671
and your use/programs. Can't forget that.

>>60990671
Well there were 3 builds that everyone was basing theirs off.
I would like to know if anyone has those links.
I am not here to argue semantics

>>60990690
>Rumors and speculation
Nothing is confirmed till AMD says it is confirmed. No one can tell you if the speculations are right or not unless they are AMD and AMD doesn't want to announce shit.

>>60990690
That Article is from before Computex and based on rumors. It's completely outdated and no one knows if it's true, likely not.
Wait for vega. It's just a month.

>>60990712
No there is no. The general guide is in OP. Pick what you need from there and fill in a PCpartspicker list. And then post here and tell us what you intend to do with such a build, budget, etc and we will advice.

>>60990696
It's personal preference. I personally have mine set to 6000dpi.
I used an old ball mouse the other day...
Boy oh boy didnt i feel like the special kid.
But mostly gaming mice allow you to adjust your dpi, but i had to work up in 50dpi lots to get to 6000, from 1500.

Is there a difference in getting a full size PCI wifi card or a half size one?

Is this one good enough?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01K4EAN58/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

>>60990761
None. Look at the specs and reviews.

>>60990720
>>60990724
AMD should really fire the whole marketing department..
Anyways, i can / have to wait one month regardless. If AMD disappoints, when is will Volta come? Shouldn't come before 2018 unless Nvidia feels threatened by Vega, right?

>>60990779
>Shouldn't come before 2018 unless Nvidia feels threatened by Vega, right?
correct.
As to firing AMD's marketing, they marketed the shit out of Ryzen so I'd say they're just being coy

>>60990779
>Anyways, i can / have to wait one month regardless
That is the announcement only btw. Reference cards in August and aftermarket in September and god help us all if Vega is good for mining. Volta is probably Q1 2018. Nvidia releasing Volta 2 quarters after they released 1080ti will piss the high end users off especially since the high end users is their stranglehold.

>>60990811
>correct.
I honestly don't think so since Volta only improvement will be a smaller die. Memory prices are still skyhigh and I think Nvidia can afford to ride out 2017 and get HBM in 2018 since they are still far away the lead at the moment. There is to need to be threaten (in the gaming market at least) so long as AMD GPU remain good for mining.

>>60990811
Tbh Ryzen was completely overhyped. Ryzen is great and i bought a 1600 but the hype was unreal. I hope AMD will learn and improve their marketing in the future. This whole muh supa sekrit hardware will bite them in the ass in the long run.

>>60990815
>Reference cards in August and aftermarket in September
This is exactly what i'm hoping for. I hope that by mid/end of september or beginning of october in worst case i'll have my Vega for 350-500€. Finally getting 1440p then, too.
>god help us all if Vega is good for mining
If Vega will be good for mining we will at least know god is real and fucking hates us to death and this is how he wants to punish us.

>>60990909
>If Vega will be good for mining we will at least know god is real and fucking hates us to death and this is how he wants to punish us.
you fucker. People are staring at me weird now because I was laughing so hard.

>>60990696
DPI is a measure of how many "dots per inch" the mouse sensor can read. Higher DPI means that the sensor is reading more dots per inch. This is like scanning a photo at higher resolution which results in more pixels on screen.

In practice what this really means is that at higher DPI, the mouse cursor will move further on the screen for the same amount of physical movement. More pixels per inch.

DPI generally doesn't matter, since almost all mice have more than enough DPI to be able to move (too) quickly. Most FPS players use around 400-800DPI. RTS/MOBA players might use DPI up to around 1600. Research shows that people are actually more consistent and accurate with slower speeds, so boosting further up to 3000+ actually results in worse mechanical performance. For some mouse sensors, very high DPI (3000+) also creates problems with sensor accuracy.

Sensor accuracy is generally more important than DPI and is not marketed easily. An accurate sensor will faithfully move the cursor according to the mouse movement, an inaccurate sensor will do things like shake in a Z shape despite the mouse moving smoothly, or will jump or skip.

Historically the main value in gaming mice was the ability to support high speeds - the ability of the mouse to track accurately when moved very quickly. Even today, all "office" mice and still many gaming mice will not track properly when moved very quickly. This is almost exclusively a problem for FPS players who use large mousepads and therefore swipe the mouse quickly to make large but accurate movements.

All current gaming mice from Logitech, Zowie and Razer are 'perfectly' accurate and can handle high speeds. There are many other mice from other companies that also have good sensors, but those are a little more hit/miss by the particular mouse. Without getting into further specifics like shape/weight/cost, I would generally just recommend something from one of those three companies.

>>60990909
>I hope that by mid/end of september or beginning of october in worst case i'll have my Vega for 350-500€. Finally getting 1440p then, too.
If Vega is not good for mining. If Vega is good for mining, I don't think we will see stock till at least November.

>>60990950
>till at least November.
You forgot about black friday. Think more towards January.

Anyone have idea, how much we must wait till prices of GPUs will back to normal?
Week?Month?

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>>60990944
You're welcome. :^)

>>60990950
>I don't think we will see stock till at least November.
November 2018 that is.

>>60990994
When it becomes unprofitable to mine with GPUs. Then you will see second hand GPUs flood the market, get ready for "rarely used" 580/70 that break after a few months.

>>60990421
Oof, I was hoping for medium at least.
Probably just hold onto the 1060 for a couple years and sell it for an upgrade later.

>>60990314
>Hey, y'all. Just put together my first PC
>looks this nice
I wish my first pc looked this clean.

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/led-monitor-a350-series
Am I blind or do they just not specify the refresh rate/maximum fps?

I've been told that if I'm investing in a hefty computer upgrade I should shell out for a new monitor too, as it really helps. Can't tell if SyncMaster SA350 is good enough that that doesn't apply, or...?

EPYC 7351P or Threadripper 1998X? Is ECC support coming to X399?

>>60991128
People are told to shell out for a monitor because monitors are easily the longest lasting piece of hardware for your PC. Long after your current build is dead and gone, your monitor will still be reusable and have resale value. Which is why people encourage you to get good monitors and don't skimp out on it.

Is it normal for the CPU temp to spike to like 45 degrees at start up and then immediately go back down to 30?

And I watched a YouTube video at 1080p and the cpu went to 50 degrees??

>>60991219
What CPU and cooler do you have and how old is it? On laptops it can be normal on desktops not unless you have a potato toaster.

>>60991219
That's fine.

If you're worried about temperatures, you should do a stress test and check the actual maximum temperature it reaches. As long as your maximum temperature is reasonably within the temperature limit, you don't need to worry about working temperatures after that.

>>60991244
>>60991248
7700k with DH15

>>60991259
>7700k
That explains it.

>>60989236
That aging thing is a dumb meme. Only raw stats matter

>>60987279
nope
only CPU to get for gaming is the i7-7700k
Ryzen is a catchall but is shit at gaming

>>60991279
>That aging thing is a dumb meme.
>it's a meme!
No it isn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eNVv2yhDVE

>>60991128
The SA350 is a 60hz TN monitor from 2011.

There are lots of options if you want more pixels, a larger screen, more HZ, or more accurate colors, but like with everything it depends on usage, needs and personal preference.

>>60991259
This >>60991275
You fell for the Kelvin Lake meme. Enjoy ridiculous temps or pay only $59.99 for a delid service to get your temps down to normal.

>>60991304
>Ryzen is a catchall but is shit at gaming
Come on Ryzen is not THAT shit at gaming.

>>60991128
Just chatted with their live chat service for you. 60Hz.

>>60991304
>only CPU to get for gaming is the i7-7700k
Wrong. the 7700K is only for retards who want muh 5 max fps more but don't care about the rest.

>>60991318
>>60991325


I don't know where you found 60hz, but thanks.

I've never done a multi-monitor setup; is it feasible to have a high-refresh monitor for muh gamez at 144fps and then a more mundane one for everything non-game? Do different-refresh monitors cause issues?

Alternately, is that a big enough obligation on the system that I shouldn't expect to do that?

Hey, its this >>60990314 anon again. Computer is opened up and i'm ready to install windows 7. I have the install formatted properly on my flash drive, but the computer keeps saying that "no device drivers were found." Does anyone know why this might be? Again, I appreciate everyone's help on this.

>>60991349
it's for people who only care about gaming, ryzen is for people who can only afford 1 computer and want to do video editing or other cpu-intensive stuff

the misinformation being spread by autistic neckbeards who assume everyone uses the computer the as them is really disgusting

ryzen shits the bed in competitive video games, unless you're a streamer or video editor, 7700k is the only way to go for video game performance

>>60991352
>I've never done a multi-monitor setup; is it feasible to have a high-refresh monitor for muh gamez at 144fps and then a more mundane one for everything non-game?
from what I've seen, that's actually a popular thing for people to do.
BTW, I told you how I got the info.

>>60991352
yes, i'm not even sure you can run dual 144hz but if you can, then that IS the ideal.

the absolute ideal:
240hz + 240hz
240hz + 144hz
144hz + 144hz
144hz + 75hz

refresh rate is visible even on the desktop

>>60991353
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpqkiaO7q4

This should help.

>>60991352
Yes.
Nope.
None.

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>>60991321
>>60991275
>>60991248
I did a stress test and It goes to about 60 degrees but no higher

is that bad?

>>60991382
and here's a follow up he did to correct mistakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xURz-SSQUVY

>>60991393
No.

>>60991304
Ryzen gets better min frames because 8-cores. Max frames mean jack shit when you stutter to unplayable at times. Average is on par with intel.

>>60991365
>ryzen shits the bed in competitive video games
Prove it. No, day zero benchmarks don't count.

>>60991404
Why is the temp so high at idle then? (33 degrees)

Should I put my fans at 100%

>>60989513
I actually went and found slightly older driver, reinstalled it with clean install and display driver uninstaller, installed MSI afterburner to monitor it better and guess what happened next.
IT SOMEHOW WORKS NOW.
Like, what the hell I'm really shocked. Furmark burn-in test shows no artifacts so far. Also I can hear fans actually working now.
What's happening I have no idea
also for some reason my pc turned on and immediately off for quite some time, maybe maybe maybe I hope so if there is a problem it isn't with a card

>>60991422
Cause 7700k has a very high clock speed. There shouldn't be an issue. My 2900k used to idle at 49 degrees for years.

>>60991405
min frames. lol. cause im as retarded as you and try to play games on all ultra for muh 80 fps experience

some of us adjust video settings to always be at 144+ fps, ryzen is a joke for gaming

>why ryzen for gaming
>cause its fps isn't as good but it's better at other cpu-intensive stuff
>but i'm just gaming
>yeah but it's better at other cpu-intensive stuff
>yeah but im just gaming
>yeah but it's better at other cpu-intensive stuff

>>60991381
What about 144hz + 60hz? Any problems with doing that?

>>60991431
Told ya. newer nvidia drivers gimped it. I live for "I told you so" moments like this

>>60991464
nope No problems with that.

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>>60991464
Absolutely not.

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>>60991462
>>>/v/

>>60991464
no, absolutely no issues but if you have the money, shell out for two 144hz or a 144hz + 85/75

if you've never used a 144hz before, get that first and run it with ur old monitor then make a decision on whether or not you ever want to use anything lower than 120/144

>>60991382
>>60991400
Thanks a bunch!

>>60991462
>Being this much of an Intel salad tosser to completely ignore benches and the price differences between ryzen and Intel offerings.
>Not realizing ryzen offers better value per dollar for gaming and that comparing $350 processors to $250 ones is fucking retarded.
>Cheaper motherboards too
Cringy

>>60991491
>"hey which cpu should I get for gaming?"
>"the ryzen, cause it's good at workstation applications"
>"but i'm just gaming"
>"yeah but the ryzen is better for cpu-intensive non-gaming apps"
>"yeah but... i'm just gaming.."
>"the ryzen's a really great deal for a workstation pc that's not intended for gaming
>"okay..."

>>60991495
You don't need a 85/75 on your secondary. Why would you? What programs are you going to run on your secondary monitor that is going to require more than 60hz?

is ram compatibility a huge issue these days

can i possibly be one letter off in the ram's model name from having totally incompatible ram.

I just need some cheap as fuck DDR4-2133

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/gWWkr7

Hey /g/, I would just like to know if this is a good build and also if you can help me choose a gpu from the ones I have listed, links provided.

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487290&nm_mc=AFC-C8JunctionCA&cm_mmc=AFC-C8JunctionCA-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10592396&PID=3938566&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-%zn

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150788&nm_mc=AFC-C8JunctionCA&cm_mmc=AFC-C8JunctionCA-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10592396&PID=3938566&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-%zn

>>60991516
just having chrome on my second monitor at 60hz triggers me

if you've never used a 144hz before, use one and if you can't tell the diff. on your desktop, then just get a 60hz

but if you're like me or every other gamer and can notice 144hz on your desktop, every app which is non-game looks better on it

>>60991521
You asked this question the last thread I think. The answer is still if it is not on the manual, the answer is we don't know.

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>>60991511
You aren't fooling anyone, Intel
shill.

>>60991511
7700K will only give you a small percentage in max fps, literally everything else including frametimes which is relevant for you MLG pro gaymer is better on Ryzen.
No amount of shilling will change that. Go look up the reviews, everyone will tell you this. Even better, recent updates massively improved performance on Ryzen, see Tomb Raider.
Your 7700K is shit and a fire hazard.

Anything wrong with microATX? For a gaming machine?

>>60991522
Oh and I live in Canada so the price is $1000

>>60991539
I am >>60991481
I play in 144hz all the time. I have never come across a situation where I do something that requires more than 60 FPS on my secondary monitor. Like even for Chrome, what in Chrome is going to go above 60 hz?

>>60991511
>Get ryzen it's good for gaming and CPU tasks the overall value per dollar is better
>"B-BUT Intel got 9% better performance single threaded!"
>That's negligible for gaming, especially at anything 1080p and above. Also most new games are multi-threaded.
>"I WANNA PLAY MINECRAFT AT HIGHEST FPS"

you're fucking hopeless.

>>60991574
i'm literally coding a java app right now that runs at the monitor's refresh rate. just dragging a window around in a 60hz environment isn't as smooth as a 144hz

this is the same difference as using ultra soft toilet paper vs. scotts

in the end, your ass gets clean just depends which route you want to take there. luxury vs necessity

>>60991522
EVGA > XFX imo

>>60991592
yes cause games definitely take advantage of ryzen's thread count lmfao and cause when people talk about single core performance, they only talk about games without multi-threading lol.

man the amount of retards on here

>>60991550
tomb raider is an esport haHAA

look up i7-7700k vs ryzen for any esport:
csgo, overwatch, dota

the i7 always wins, yet /g/ constantly has to suck AMD cock and reccomend ryzen to gamers... cause... muh autism

>>60991593
Yeah I am all about luxury for your primary monitor. But secondary monitor getting above 60 HZ is stupid. Realistically you are never going to do anything in the secondary window that requires more than 60 HZ. That is just a window for you to do stupid shit in like discord, or browse youtube/net etc. I have never come across a situation where I think I might need more hz in my secondary monitor. I don't even drag it around, I just throw it and auto maximize it.

>>60991624
1v1 me irl nub

>>60991522
1050 Ti beats the 460

>>60991624
>Gets proven wrong repeatedly and benchmarks confirm it
>"You're just autistic!"

Whew lad watch the edge. Did you take your risperadol this morning?

>>60991655
that logic is all about the bare minimum you need. why do you need 144hz on your main monitor? for an advantage in video games? yeah but you don't really NEED 144hz on your main monitor. you can play the same games at 60hz.

same thing with a secondary monitor, just dragging a window around on that screen is a joke. also the low blue light features on benq are nice on the second monitor as well

>>60991574
Everything goes over 60hz. Moving the mouse, moving windows, scrolling within windows. It's all faster and smoother.

It's obviously not as significant as in first-person 3D gaming, but it's still there and noticeable.

>>60991624
>i7-7700k vs ryzen
>csgo, overwatch, dota
Nice trolling. No one gives a shit if CSGO runs at 300 or 330FPS.

>get satisfactory build going
>suddenly realize I have to buy things across seven different platforms to get the price total I was looking at
just fuck my shit up senpai

>>60991684
like i said, benchmarks on all the major esports games, aka the most popular games in the world, aka the games that someone who is building a PC for gaming will likely play all perform better on... the i7-7700k

yet we have a pc build general on /g/ that recommends... ryzen even for gaming...

"hey, which cpu is best for gaming?"
"the ryzen cause it's great at non-gaming"
"im just going to be gaming"
"yeah but if you ever want to 3d model or render videos then you'll want a ryzen"
"yeah but... im just gaming"
"yeah but for just less fps, you can get a CPU that's great at things that aren't just gaming"
"dude, im just gaming"
"haha yeah but ryzen's great for things that are non-gaming"

>>60991691
The thing is I make use of the 144hz on my main monitor a lot. Basically everytime I game. But no one realistically games on their secondary monitor. So aside from "dragging windows", you are never going to notice the increase in hz because nothing in your secondary window goes above 60hz aside from dragging windows.

bout to meet up with someone to get an 80$ i3-6300

I do good /g/?

>>60991732
java apps running on chrome can run at more than 60fps

you don't need a 144hz for your second monitor, just like you don't need a 144hz for your primary.

the amount of luxury you need is based off the amount of money you make. you dont need to stress your wallet for 2 144hz's in your case

>>60991702
>but it's still there and noticeable.
Oh I agree. But it is not worth the money unless you are constantly using the high hz on your secondary. Some luxury smoothness is not worth the extra dollars.

>>60991734
could get a brand new Pentium G4560 for like $66 though... I mean, that i3 is like half of the price it is new, but I'd still choose the Pentium.

>>60991734
As long as you have both kidneys afterward.

>>60991748
>just like you don't need a 144hz for your primary.
That is wrong and stupid. Gaming on 144hz is so much better than gaming on 60hz. You are not going to game on your secondary monitor are you?

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>>60991624
>look up i7-7700k vs ryzen for any esport
>csgo, overwatch, dota
Nice autism, retard. Here's some Overwatch for you.

>1080p
https://youtu.be/64AmlVIosAI?t=7m35s
It's literally ONE fps more on average... ONE. And that's from march before updates and optimizations.

>1440p
https://youtu.be/oVKPBAcDdR4?t=30m42s
Oh wow... Ryzen totally BTFO. Now we have TWO, i repeat T W O fps more on average.
Oh wait.. that's also from march before updates and optimizations. Oh.. it's also only clocked to 3.7GHz and running on 2400 RAM.

Now go back to >>>/v/ you autistic Intel shill. Your CPU is shit, you know it, we know it, everyone knows it.

>>60991787
exactly. it's so much better.

just like having a 144hz on desktop is so much better.

>>60991803
yeah cause gamers will run games to get less than 144fps consistently

>not surprised
>ryzen tardism at its finest

>>60991806
144hz to improve browsing on desktop is stupid money to burn. But whatever.

>>60991731
>>i7 7700k - Bad value but great at 144hz gaming

whats wrong with that? it's true

>>60991830
it's only a bad value for shared purpose pc's (gaming+rendering/workstation)
it's the best value for gaming considering it gets the highest fps

Any of you 120+hz fags used SmoothVideoProject? It sounds shit, but watching porn with it is incredible.

>>60991827
>gets btfo
>panic mode
Average for Overwatch at 1440p is 162fps for the 1700. That's well above your autistic 144fps, retard.
>>>/v/

Between RX560 and 1050, what should I?
Only playing counter strike and maybe looking to try overwatch since I'm going to have a Windows box now.

>>60991846
even for gaming it's overpriced. 7700k shouldn't be more than 300 and really around 270. really I doubt it leads in price per frame

>>60991878
Whichever is cheaper.

>>60991878
Both are fine

>>60991863
and the minimum is below 144, are you actually autistic in real life, i'll take it easy on you

>>60991882
holy shit price per frame oh my fuck, you people are actually retarded. how about price per consistent 144fps on esports games in competitive settings

>>60991878
whichever is in stock and cheaper. Both will be fine though

>>60991910
cs:go runs at above 200fps on my i5-2400 other than that you have dota, lol and maybe heartstone for esport games none of which require more than 10 year old cpu.

>>60991878
nvidia, amd drivers have had some shoddy performance on CSGO in the past. i'm the same guy pushing 7700k's for gaming. (ESPECIALLY IN CSGO)

>>60991955
200 fps lol. and what, 50 fps in smokes? there's a reason you want 400+ fps consistent, cause when a team executes a tactic with 5 smokes, you still get 300 fps whereas people with shittastic pc's only get 100+

>>60991910
Yeah excuse me, i misread it. On minimum fps Ryzen wins by a long shot.
At 1440p min fps for the 1700 is 102 whereas it's 97 for the 7700K. Enjoy your stutter, retard.
>buys 7700K for muh gaymen
>cant run Overwatch at 1440p on his 144Hz monitor without stutter

Alright guys. I have a challenge for you. My father wants to play Beachhead 2002, but his windows 10 Dell refuses to play it, so I suggested building a retro Windows XP or Windows 98 machine to play it.
Make me a list of reasonable parts for this retro gaming request.

>>60991981
yeah cause gamers play esports at a setting where they don't get 144fps

>>60991910
ur the retard, retard. intel sponsors comp gaming of course they all use intel.

>>60991981
Anyone running 1440p@144 is going to be using Kike/Freesync

Ryzen 1700x for under $300 is a good deal, right?

>>60991983
Enable Vpro (or whatever the virtual machine on Win 10 Pro is called) and install a virtual XP/98 on it, should run it just fine.

>>60991983
Have you tried sandboxing?
Or running in compatibility mode?

>>60991975
nah I get at worst 160-180fps, stop pretending you even play that game.

I'm thinking that instead of using a heater for winter, I'm going to mine instead for my room. I don't really care if I break even, just want to do this as a hobby with the added benefit of very slightly warming up my room.

I currently have an i3 3220 w lga1155 mobo, and a HD 7790. Thinking of upgrading to a rx480 or 580 if I can find one. Also maybe a i73770/3570k for fun.
What do you think /g/?

>>60992063
>i get above 200 fps
>i only dip to 160-180 in smokes

>>60992004
Yeah cause if you turn down the settings it's like the 7700K will magically get a higher min fps than Ryzen.
Ryzen has both better min and avg fps, that's what counts if you're going to turn down the settings anyways. Your muh TWO max fps is useless.

>>60992077
Get a 290 reference for maximum heat

>>60992080
>wah wah if you're not getting 144 stable fps it's not worth it
>what you get 160 that's not enough as well
kill yourself retard.

>skimming through motherboards on newegg
>realize I'm LITERALLY looking at the colors
Alright, what should I actually be paying attention to?

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>>60992080
>>60992063
>>60991975
>>60991955

>>60988030
Wait for vega. This is the worst moment to buy a GPU.

>>60992133
max 160 is min 160

>autism

>>60991846
>best value for gaming considering it gets the highest fps

That's not what value means.

>>60988335
It is a bubble that could pop any time. Just like the tech industry in general.

>There is no products or services in real life whatsoever except the equipments bought and power consumed

babby's first economy lesson

>>60992263
>Vega is good for mining
That is a wait till 2018 situation right there senpai

>>60992337
And what are you going to do? Buy a $250 1060 for $350? Yes, vega will be good for mining, but you have a 10 min window to cop it, unlike right now.

Ryzen 1700 w/cooler - $300
Ryzen 1700x wout/cooler - $289
?

>>60992362
>10 min window to cop it
Nah. Your only chance of getting it is ordering it before all the reviews/benchmarks are out. Which would be insanely stupid to do.

My case has a rear exhaust fan, Do I put the fan for my heatsink as intake facing the front of the case?

>>60989528
Are your case fans pointing in the right direction?

>>60992422
Yes. Front intake. Rear exhaut. If your casing has a fan ontop, that should be exhaust as well.

What is CAS latency on RAM and how low do I want/need it?

How the fuck did mining become a thing again? I had to buy a 390x for $50 over retail because I already had everything else. Unrelated, but when will AMD APUs come out?

>>60992547
>How the fuck did mining become a thing again?
Ethereum prices are soaring.

>>60992495
Comprehensive information on DRAM and CAS: http://lmgtfy.com/?iie=1&q=What+is+CAS+latency+on+RAM+and+how+low+do+I+want%2Fneed+it%3F

>>60991624
This is true. Intel ous fine for older games since those don't use more threads. Newer games shit on intelcucks though. That's why you recommend a ryzen for a gaymer.

How does the Noctua NH-U12s compare to their much larger coolers or a cheaper single tower like the Cryorig H7?

Looking to upgrade from the Wraith Spire, and don't want something ridiculously large. The stock cooler handles overclocking better than expected, but I'd prefer something quieter.

>Win bid on part on ebay
>Notice small detail and don't want it anymore
>Request cancellation
>Has been a day now and still no response or shipment
>Charge is still pending

Can I have my bank cancel it at this point?

>>60992776
>NH-U12S
Overrated and overpriced. If you want a single tower from Noctua get the NH-U14S, but that thing is also expensive.
Best value options are: Thermalright True Spirit Direct/Power, Scythe Mugen 5 and Cryorig H7 is not compatible i think. None of these is ridiculously large.

>>60992776
Marginally worse than the larger coolers, marginally better than the H7/212.

Despite the cost difference I went for the U12S anyway for my 1600x - my main reasoning is that I expect to keep the system for a long time, and I expect the Noctua fan to last for a long time as well (and stay quiet while doing so). A fair bit of the increased cost of the Noctua over other CPU coolers can be explained by the cost of the fans which are much more expensive than cheaper varients, but are designed to last longer.

>>60992906
>If you want a single tower from Noctua get the NH-U14S, but that thing is also expensive.
Aren't they the same, but with the 14 having a 140mm fan?
My case only has 165mm of clearance which is how tall the U14 is, why I was thinking the U12s would be a better choice.

Best way to clean the dust in my PC?

Is there any reason to spend over $100 on a motherboard?

>>60992972
Drano.

>>60992972
compressed air cans

Building my first computer finally after sticking with a gaming laptop for 5 years.

Anyone want to help to make things cheaper?

Requirements:
NO MSI - fuck them fuck boys at that shit head henry at RMA department
Not going to use RGB so keep it simple and sleek(mostly black because that seems to be the way)
I couldn't be shilled enough for AMD cpu so I'm just going to de-lid 7700k

>>60993120
stupid url didnt paste.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Zvjd2R

>>60993120
With that budget, I'd get a 500gb ssd and a better psu.

>>60993120
Get a ryzen cpu if you want to get it any cheaper. And no i don't care what you said.

>>60992962
>Aren't they the same
No. The NH-U14S is bigger and performs significantly better. It needs 165mm clearance, so idk if it will fit that good.

>>60993187
I still have to buy a monitor/KBM/wifi+bluetooth card so that extra $70 for some more GB isn't worth it to me.

What would be a better PSU? 750w seems enough to me and I don't need full modular since I'll be using those cables anyway.

>>60993200
1800/1700 is nearly same price as 7700k from what I see.

>>60993266
That's why you get the 1600 or 1600x. You still get more cores/threads with the 1600 series. (6/12 vs 4/8).

>>60993306
For gaming though it isn't better. Need better core performance and I see the 7700k being more future proof than that 1600x in terms of gaming. I plan to keep this for at least 5 years.

>>60993381
>5 years
>future proofing gaming
lad you can still game on 6 year old i5s. 7700k should be fine at least for the next 20 years for gaming.

Using a ga 350 gaming 3 motherboard. None of the diagnostic signals indicate anything wrong. But it won't boot to bios. Fans spin up on CPU and GPU too. Any ideas? Using Corsair vengeance ddr4 2666 MHz and ryzen 1600. GTX 1060. Don't laugh at me for components, I'm troubleshooting a friend's PC he tried to build and I don't have any experience with ryzen

>>60993381
>7700k being more future proof than that 1600x in terms of gaming.
what did he mean by this

>>60993481
Is it not booting or are you just not getting any video output?

>>60993381
No it is better. Any modern title is going to be multi-threaded, and ryzen is the better future proof option. Unless your goal is to play games that are 5 or more years old with a 2-3 fps bonus ryzen is the much better option under almost every circumstance.

>>60993481
Has he messed with bios at all? Try resetting cmos.

>>60993481
Do you have a pc speaker? Motherboards like to beep them when things go wrong.
Any obvious place where motherboard can display error codes?
Is there a troubleshooting section in motherboard manual? What do they all you to use as a diagnosing device?

>>60993444
This. Go ryzen it's better for your money and much more future proof. Any modern game title coming up is going to be multi-threaded.

>>60993532
Either one is going to be good for like 60fps+ in the future. Unlike i5s which are stuttering messes in some newer games.

I'd recommend the 1600/1600X, but a 7700 or 1500X aren't going to be BAD.

>>60993562
Mobo didn't come w speaker and there's no post codes on his motherboard or even when. He insterts a speaker into the I O shield port

>>60993558
No bios messing, no flashing
>>60993524
No video output, but motherboards diagnostic tools say nothing is wrong with any of the components.

>>60991170
>EPYC 7351P or Threadripper 1998X
if you can make use of the additional lanes and memory channels, get EPYC, if you need higher single threaded performance and so so much lanes and channels, get Threadripper

>ECC support coming to X399?
extremely likely

>>60993576
He's asking to save money on the build. The i7 is just going to be a lot more expensive for both the motherboard and cpu while offering no performance gains and in some cases a worse value.

Is there anything wrong with MicroATX over ATX? Should I expect it to be less long-lived or upgradable?

What HDD manufacturers are particularly un/reliable?

Is there anywhere to gimmick a particularly good SSDcache/HDD bundle?

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>>60993667
>Should I expect it to be less long-lived or upgradable?
No.
99.999% of people don't use more than 1 or 2 PCIe slots so you don't need more than the 2-4 that mATX offers.

I'll soon receive my parts. Anything I need to know after I boot my Ryzen PC? I know how to get rid of all the shits in Windows 10 etc but I don't know much about Ryzen itself. I know I'll update the BIOS etc but that's it.

CPU will stay stock clocks - do I need to undervolt or something or is the mobo already taking care to do things it should?

>>60993667
it's smaller, why would you want smaller if you can get bigger? Kinda like with dicks technically nothing wrong with smaller, but cmon small dicks let's go big.

Wanna upgrade my entire PC, current can't decide which Ryzen CPU I want, I current sport the i5 4460, which Ryzen CPU should i get? I've heard i should get the R5 1600 even though i thought about getting the R5 1500.

>>60993827
If you're not overclocking then you don't really need to mess with bios at all.

>>60993120
>>60993266
>>60993381
oh look, another shitty intel troll doing exactly the same thing again

>>60993902
>oh look someone who wants to complain instead of input some of his advice

good luck in life buddy