Why does everyone on this board like Linux so much? Windows does

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>>60977688
I know this is bait, but seriously, I can't take anymore of this.
>>>/v/, either actually LEARN informatics or fuck off.
I'm sick, physically and emotionally sick, of your incessant shitposting.
If you don't understand a topic, don't comment on it.
Linux is the furthest away from being obsolete compared to the proprietary and bricked shitfest that is Macintosh software and hardware, or the banal and bloated botware of Micropenis.
If you want play your shitty AAA games (in which they don't even bother anymore), rather than actually contribute to intelligent technology related discussion? That's great.
But newsflash!
We have a containment board for that rubbish:
>>>/v/
>Go home!
>Picture very much related, it is you trying to browse and understand TRUE /g/threads.

>>60977714
t. Gentoddler

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To expand on >>60977714, see this >>60977688 and >>60977800: >>60913095
That is why /g/ and actual superusers prefer Linux.

FOSS

>>60977688
Not only you're a fucking shitposter, you also posts fucking gay shit

come on, leave g and never come back

>>60977851
>superusers
>meme terms

>>60977895
traps aren't gay

>>60977688
>open source
>runs programs when I want to rather than reating from my hard drive 24/7
>base system needs very few processes to be kept running thanks to commercial linux development
no worries. if I need to game I can boot up a vm or dual boot, if I were ever too braindead retarded to properly utilize command lines there's a simple solution to that too

sagepost for shitpost, anon

>>60977688
You don't need to learn the command line on linux. My dad is using it just fine and he is ~60.

He actually loves it too.(ubuntu mate)

>>60977927
so you admit that you still have to use windows because linux doesn't do everything you want. why not just use a single OS that covers everything instead of halfway using two?

I haven't learned more than 10 commands and I use Linux just fine for browsing and basic media consumption.
Windows is just a gayming machine that i use from time to time.
Linux is much faster for me, and it looks comfy with only 30 minutes of tweaking and packages compared to Windows which doesn't look good even after 3 hours of UI tweaking and mods.

Frankly, if i ever stop playing video games, Windows will be gone from my computer.
Also the way thing are going with GoG and Steam porting games to MacOS and Linux, and developers actively having more and more Linux support, Windows will soon become obsolete even if i don't stop gayming.

>>60977714
anime website

>>60977800
>>60977851
>>60978076
Pasta was too fresh for you, it seems

>>60978095
anime website

>>60977911
true

>>60977896
No it isn't you LARPing moron:
>a user of a computer system with special privileges needed to administer and maintain the system; a system administrator.
Stop trying to win 'reputation points' by being a contrarian, when the contrarian point you raise isn't even valid.
Why is /g/ infested with you effete gamerboys who think just because they have a really high score on LoL, they're suddenly a computer expert?

>>60977953
>He thinks Windows can run everything because it has "muh gaymes"
If you think the only shit that computers can do is run gaymes and Adobe products you need to go back >>>/v/

Two things- you don't need to learn terminal commands to take advantage of Linux, but you can dig deeper if you do.
Secondly, you had to learn things on WIndows too- you just forgive it because it was probably your first OS that you've used.

tl;dr, I can't wait for summer school to start for you retards to have something to do during the day

>>60978128
name ONE thing you can do in Linux that you can't in Windows. you literally can't

>>60978146
And you unironically think that?
I don't know?
Edit the source code, you chode.

>>60978146
Customize the UI completely without anything breaking.
Having a safer browsing and downloading experience.

>>60978166
so ricing is the only thing you neets can come up with? lmao

>>60977688
I like linux simply because I don't feel like I'm trying to fight my OS all the time.
On windows, everyone recommends you turn off all these settings, and block all these ports on your router, and install so-and-so "debotnetifier" or whatever, and windows will still undo all those changes next time you reboot.
Plus, windows rot is real and your system really does get more slow after running it for over a year, gnu/linux doesn't do this, even if you install every non-conflicting package in your distro's repos.

>>60978146
Configuring the repeat key rate (no on Windows you can't, it's just a fucking joke).

>>60978174
And security.
And also intuitiveness since the settings in Linux are all in one place and not strewn about randomly like in Windows.

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>>60977714
You're just mad because your elitist dick-sucking self has no comeback. The only reason you use any Linux distribution is to show 1. How cool you are that you know terminal commands or 2. Your dumbass thinks the government is constantly fucking with you. In which case you can de-botnet windows 7/8/10.

>>60978174
Hahaha, you dishonest prick, literally ignoring me:
>>60978163
Also, use command line to an almost unlimited degree.
Something that Windows and Mac don't let you do.

>>60978191
windows has fill bash cli, the rest wasn't an argument

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>>60978146
Use the OS without ads popping up.

>>60978200
But it was.
And you ignored it again.

>>60978200
*full
also macOS has a full Unix terminal so you're just showing that you literally have no idea what you're even talking about

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>>60978146
Modify your operating system however you want
Make it look however you want
Control it only by command line
SSH
View its source code
Use a filesystem other than NTFS
Have a package manager
Update all programs and the operating system with a single command
Update everything without having to reboot and "Wait for updates" It just updates in the background and only rarely requires a reboot

That's literally only scratching the surface
If none of those things you would use or don't apply to you then you don't know how to use computers and are just a fucking normie that needs to go back to >>>/v/

>>60978216
Mac is still more locked down than Linux, not to the same degree as Windows though.

>>60978230
it isn't locked down at all, you've obviously never even used it

>>60978237
So deluded.

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>>60978146
I can ignore OS updates and confirm their effects on the Internet, without caring about updates fucking shit up and disrupting work.

>>60978216
>ancient 2002-era versions of gcc and other GNU tools
>no native package manager
>only brew
>you better hope that some faggot is maintaining brew packages for your obscure library or software tool

software development on mac is a joke

>>60978189
>Wikileaks
>Snowden
>WannaCry (using NSA tools)
Mhm... gosh yeah, that government isn't doing anything.
Fuck off, you brainwashed denialist.

>>60978237
Just trying to upgrade the hardware yourself isn't allowed. :^)

a whole lot of not an argument from Linux kids today...

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>>60978146
I can stop caring about file corruption because both Linux and UNIX have better file system managers than Windpoop.

>>60978313
>windpoop
literally arguing with 12 year olds...
*sigh* why do I even come to this website anymore...

>>60978310
You do know, just because you watch (and think that you are) Molymeme doesn't mean you get to disregard valid points as:
>not an argument
Just because you dislike them, right?

>>60978337
You're such a shit troll this isn't even amusing, just pathetic.
You get shot down and then think simply going:
>Ugh kids...
Or
>Ugh not an argument...
Is worth anything.
Sad fucko. :^)

>>60978337
Poop is corrupt matter that's supposed to be excreted.
I'd say it describes Windows well.

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>>60978163
>>60978166
>>60978183
>>60978206
>>60978226
>>60978257
>>60978313
WINFAGS
FOREVER
ETERNALLY
B T F O
T
F
O

Nobody exists on purpose, nobody belongs anywhere, everybody's going to die, install gentoo.

>>60978146
Packet injection

>>60978355
I'll refute your argument when you actually make one

Reminder that GNU != Linux

GNU is the crap made by unemployable turboautists with no concept of accessibility and common sense.

>>60978426
>Gets BTFO on every single reply to >>60978146
>Ignores every single reply
Are winniggers truly this retarded?

Hey guys. Be happy that not everyone wants to linux.
We windows guys protekt you from the virus. From a slow operating system. From AAA games (i must admit it 90% of new games are pure shit).
Except i never gotten viruses, neither slow operating system. Even with my six year old machine can run Win10.
Btw let's accept that everyone likes other things :V

>>60978444
and Linux is the shitty kernel that powers it, what's your point?

>>60977688
Most of us like linux, because it sort of goes hand in hand with GNU, and this is the Richard Stallman board.

>>60978426
Wewlad
>Denialism is a valid form of argumentation
Since when?
Didn't Molymeme school you properly in rhetoric or logic?
Nah, didn't think so.
Go home >>>/v/, go home.

>55 replies

Too easy.

>>60977688
sauce me my dude

>>60978458
>shitty
It really isn't. My point is one is developed by smart people and big companies while the other is developed by bored autists with no real skills other than doing things for free.

>>60978265
If the government was watching my computer I would be under a felony arrest of piracy of over 1000 dollars

>>60978536
>Linux literally has some of the most renowned computer scientists in the world programming it
>Large corporations also use it A LOT and develop it to fit their needs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Market_share_by_category
>People are paid a lot of money to develop it also
So no, you 'tard.

>>60978536
which is why you should use macOS. it's basically Linux with software support and made by professionals instead of autistic teens in their mom's basement

>>60978262
You realize macOS ships with Clang, not gcc, right? And you can use brew to install up-to-date gcc if you wanted to?

How does a lack of a native package manager hinder your development? Brew installs literally any dev package or library you need. The App Store will keep system components up to date.

>>60978571
>What is a drag net?
Convert to Islam, then have fun.

>>60978586 see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Market_share_by_category and shut your retarded mouth (also chop those useless fingers off).

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>>60978146
I'm going on a limb here, but can you run a daemon in Windows?

>>60978615
quality over quantity
>m-more people use it, that means it's better!
no, it's free, retard. people put up with it because they aren't paying for it

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>>60978146
* Compile code without using awkward hacks like Linux on Windows.
* Have a decent root directory structure.
* Use a proper package manager.

>>60978581
>>60978615
>LINUX RUNS ALL THE EMDEEDEDBED stuff so that means ITS GREAT FOR PROGRAMMING

Cross platform compiling exists, you mouth breathing retard. Which means that people who are writing embedded applications for Linux are probably not writing them in Linux. Especially for embedded situations.

Linux is way better for running a server than other OSes. Still doesn't make it a better environment to write software in or use it as your daily, leisure operating system.

>>60977688
trap on trap is a god's gift

>>60978635
>Used on 99.79% of supercomputers.
Get fucking REKT you dumbshit.
You can't even argue like a human, let alone an adult.

>>60978677
because Apple doesn't make supercomputers you f*cking moron
think for 2 seconds before you spew nonsense to defend your shitty OS

>>60978616
Yes. They're called Services.

>>60978668 see >>60978677 and kys.

>>60978589
You do realize only extremely mentally ill people (ie homosexuals) use apple products, right?

>>60978692
Literally same point.

Linux runs on Supercomputers. How the fuck does that make it a good OS?

Are fish objectively the better species because they can breath underwater and we can't? Are you fucking stupid?

>>60978685
Thank you kind anon, have you ever had an experience with this?

>>60978682
Oh gosh, yeah, they'd turn down big bucks...
What a shitty argument.
People haven't asked them to, for a reason.

>>60978714
Because it has: >>60977851
>TL;DR: Offers a greater level of control.

Thank you.
Come again.

>>60978598
Speak English little dick rick

>>60978737
Control that is only useful for servers and supercomputers, not the average desktop user. Thats why it sucks dicks.

>>60978714
I don't know, maybe that running on a computer that draws the electric consumption of a nuclear power plant means you're stable, reliable, lightweight, powerful, and scalable?

>>60978762
How wasn't that English?

>>60978766
Well, I enjoy having control over my everyday computing.
So I guess this is an entirely subjective opinion and more of a:
>Horses for courses

>>60978146
you can use Linux without forcing telemetry up your ass (yeah you can reduce it, but it's still there even if you're on Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB N/Education with all those effort to "remove" it. once you actually removed telemetry on windows 10, windows 10 just won't work anyway since it apparently a permanent fixture to it)

>>60978733
They're pretty shitty. They're very limited in what they can do, I think they run under a very underprivileged user. Not sure; but the only experience I've had with them is trying to get Plex to start before user login and it was full of issues and pitfalls.

Linux is easier to use and has better user experience becauz you can set it how you like.

>>60978523
Himitsu no Renketsu Sharyou.

IF LINUX WAS SUCH A GOOD OS THEN IT'D BE #1 IN THE CONSUMER MARKET, BUT IT AIN'T

SO SUCK MY DICK WITH ALL THIS SUPERCOMPUTER TALK. YA JUST MADE YOU CAN'T PLAY THE LATEST GAEMS OR USE MICROSOFT OFFICE. GOTTA SETTLE WITH TUXRACER AND LIBREKEKFRICE.

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>>60978523

>>60978789
I'm actually confused when you say dragnet. If you want to convert me to your Linux cult, can you explain what it is to me?

>>60978737
>>60978782
lmao every time
every single time people try to have a discussion about why loonix is shit on desktop you spergs try to bring up
>muh supercomputers
as if it's at all relevant

>>60978060
I hope so I'm using Windows just for gaming.
Also same as you said, I'm no Linux expert but o run vms and servers on Linux without issues. It's not like quantum physics it's just basic knowledge required and any minimally tech capable person can run it even without a GUI.

>>60978814 see >>60977714.
You're also overestimating the technological literacy of the general public.
So, once again, what a shitty argument.
It seems you need to watch more Molymeme.

>>60978836
The method by which Wester nation states have been and continue to collect vast amounts of data from the backbone.

>>60978847
I brung it into the discussion because people were cherrypicking their own and trying to falsely use this as argumentation also:
>>60978635
>>60978668
So no, fuck off.

>>60978859
>brung
argument invalid

>>60978868
>brung
>brung. [bruhng] 1. a past participle and simple past tense of bring.
Sorry for your American English.
>*pat*

>>60978857
I know you can run Skyrim just fine on Archlinux with wine.

>>60978859
I have reason to believe under many laws in which a cops have no reason to search me without probable cause that I am okay. If they try to arrest me without previous probable cause or a warrant I can sue the police department for misconduct. I do agree that the government should fuck off with their data mining

>>60978859
your retarded, just stop posting

>>60978885
>dialect past and past participle of bring.
>dialect
Fuck off you dumb yuropoor, we took your shit language and made it better

>>60978940
In the United Kingdom:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Powers_Act_2016#Authorities_allowed_to_access_Internet_connection_records
Also, I'm sure under the Patriot Act, they could do something similar.
Even without, read about Snowden, you'll see just how unscrupulous Western nation states are.
If you're still in doubt, look into Fourteen Eyes.

>>60978947
>What is descriptivist grammar?
No, numbskull, dialect doesn't make an argument invalid.

>>60978989
You can't even speak English correctly and you expect anyone to take you seriously?

>>60977688
who draws shit like this

>>60979007
it's cute

>>60979007
Artists

>>60979006
Well, I seem to understand the English language more than you do.
So if I don't know the English language, then you must REALLY not know the English language.
Nice try, but I am more intelligent than you.
Sadly.

>>60979027
lol no, I'm much intelligenter then you

>>60979147
>I bring grammar into an argument which isn't about literacy.
>I am intelligent.
Pick one.

Also, when're you going to address my assertion?

>>60979209
I'll address you're argument when you make one

>>60979262 see >>60978859:
>I brung it into the discussion because people were cherrypicking their own and trying to falsely use this as argumentation also:
The cause of your:
>MUH GRAMMAR

>>60979007
Pedos

>>60979280
grammer is very important if you want anyone to take your """argument""" seriously

>>60979327
Then you don't understand argumentation.

>>60978453
yes.

winfags are literally more retarded than mac users. You cannot refute this.

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>>60979425
>more retarded than mac users

>>60979453
yes, that is correct. macfags at least tend to be college students and such. winfags are just greasy autistic fat children living at home with mom and accidentally installing hidden bitcoin miners every time they pirate a game.

>>60979487
I wonder what the Mac to Windows IQ ratio is? I would imagine that Windows users would score pretty low.

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>>60978163
>Edit the source code
Can't.

>>60978166
>Customize the UI completely without anything breaking
Window decorations and native gui controls can be customized just fine and people have been doing that since forever although it's not officially supported.
And that's using the same method that's used internally between Windows versions, all you need to do is disable the signature check.

>Having a safer browsing and downloading experience
Sort of security through obscurity because nobody cares about writing browser exploits for Linux.
Either way it shouldn't affect you if you know what you're doing.

>Configuring the repeat key rate (no on Windows you can't, it's just a fucking joke).
Pic related. [1]

>>60978206
>Use the OS without ads popping up.
You can opt-out. [2]

>>60978226
>Modify your operating system however you want
>Make it look however you want
Somewhat limited due to lack of source code but options are still quite diverse.

>Control it only by command line
Absolutely possible. Some things can even only be done via powershell.

>SSH
Both ssh servers and clients exist for Windows.

>View its source code
Can't.

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>>60978226
>Use a filesystem other than NTFS
Possible with third-party drivers.
There's also this https://github.com/dokan-dev/dokany/

>Have a package manager
Chocolatey.

>Update all programs and the operating system with a single command
I guess you need two, one for Windows and one for Chocolatey.

>Update everything without having to reboot and "Wait for updates" It just updates in the background and only rarely requires a reboot
Updates that require reboots are actually quite rare. They definitely happen more often than Linux gets a kernel update but still quite rare.

>I can ignore OS updates and confirm their effects on the Internet, without caring about updates fucking shit up and disrupting work.
You can postpone, ignore and disable updates on Windows. It's not straightforward but it's possible using built-in management tools without any crazy registry tweaks or whatever other bullshit you'd expect.
Changelogs exist.

>>60978616
>I'm going on a limb here, but can you run a daemon in Windows?
Services.

>>60978791
>you can use Linux without forcing telemetry up your ass (yeah you can reduce it, but it's still there...
It's possible, there's an entire page on Microsoft's website dedicated to disabling telemetry.
After you do that Windows will work just fine but you won't have access to features like the store, microsoft accounts etc. which you probably don't want anyway.

>>60978654
>Compile code without using awkward hacks like Linux on Windows.
Depends on what you're compiling. The biggest hurdle for most people is installing msvc after which everything should work fine assuming that Windows is actually a supported target.
Glad you mentioned that Windows can also run Linux applications just fine. It's everything but awkward.

>Have a decent root directory structure
I agree, X:\ is quite shit.

>Use a proper package manager
Not quite proper but Chocolatey exists.

>>60979487
>>60979501
Windows is the operating system equivalent of American education.

>>60978859
>installs closed-source OS with 60M LOC
>launches some amateur BS "de-botnet" program that changes 5 registry keys
>thinks he's safe from microsoft

something something state of /g/

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>>60977688
because linux is bugged garbage written by basement fedoralords. employed people dont have time to fiddle with obscure distros, they want something that just works. linux as a home system is simply bad.
you probably wont understand seeing you post chinkporn with faggots.

>>60979525
I was simply reiterating that you can't do that on Windows. But you didn't even try reading the post.

>>60979534
Well, that was meant for >>60978189

>>60979534
>Tagging the a pro-Linux argumenter
>Calling him a Windows user
What?

>>60979534
>state of /g/
/g/ is secretly full of tech illiterates that barely even know what a computer is.
>I try to get a GUI but the black box mess me ahhhh

>>60979568
>>60979558

>>60979572
>secretly
/g/ is blatantly gaymer and consumerist trash nowadays. I come here sometimes for fun bait threads, but /sci/ has better quality posting.

>>60979543 see >>60977851.
The very fact that corporations use it proves that it isn't basement dwellers.
Not to mention, large and significant parts of it are programmed by some of the most renowned computer scientists.

>>60979507
>Window decorations and native gui controls can be customized just fine and people have been doing that since forever although it's not officially supported.
Then show me a STABLE riced Windows desktop
God mode - No rainmeter bulshit

>Absolutely possible. Some things can even only be done via powershell.
Then show me a CLI only Windows

>>60979515

>Possible with third-party drivers.
Still not possible to install on them though

>Chocolatey
Didn't know this existed, but still doesn't even touch something like apt or pacman

>It's possible, there's an entire page on Microsoft's website dedicated to disabling telemetry.
You can't even block the telemetry IPs in the hostfile, and blocking them with a external firewall breaks Windows

>Glad you mentioned that Windows can also run Linux applications just fine
What program? Because Cygwin does not run native Linux programs

>>60979630
>Then show me a STABLE riced Windows desktop
I can't vouch for "stable" but there were definitely a couple in desktop threads and someone posts one every now and then.

>Then show me a CLI only Windows
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184075.aspx

>Still not possible to install on them though
Probably not without creating a custom installation tool but it would be interesting to see it you can boot an existing installation from it.

>Didn't know this existed, but still doesn't even touch something like apt or pacman
What's the difference aside from chocolatey being relatively unknown?

>You can't even block the telemetry IPs in the hostfile, and blocking them with a external firewall breaks Windows
You can't block IPs in the HOSTfile. That's correct. You can however block hosts and you can block ips using whichever method you desire.
There's no need to do that though when you can simply disable telemetry through documented means.
Show me broken Windows.

>What program? Because Cygwin does not run native Linux programs
Welcome to 2016. Windows implemented Linux syscalls and can run pretty much any elf binary you throw at it.

>>60979515
>It's possible, there's an entire page on Microsoft's website dedicated to disabling telemetry.
>After you do that Windows will work just fine but you won't have access to features like the store, microsoft accounts etc. which you probably don't want anyway.
I know about that site, but even then it's actually not really telemetry disabled. windows 10 will still have the "bare basic" telemetry and still send data back to microsoft. of course it's still much better than not bothering but telemetry is still there no matter how hard you try (or the other way is that you downgrade to windows7/8.1 and not install the telemetry updates to not bother with it)
https://twitter.com/m8urnett/status/866353982217699328?lang=en

>>60978146
Feel in control of my computer.

To me that's the single worst thing about windows. Windows 10 forces you to do things you don't want and tries to push its own shitty programs and its own shitty standards down your throat.
I just want to build my own system with the programs/technologies/standards that I like, use it the way I like and feel that I am in control of my computer and not the other way around.

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>>60979769
>https://twitter.com/m8urnett/status/866353982217699328?lang=en
I'm sorry but he's retarded and all of his tests are void.

>>60978189
You could literally have a CIA agent look over your shoulder at all times and still believe that the government isn't watching you.
But i guess nothing to hide, amirite ?
Also
>debotnet Windows
>Hey guys, i installed this easy little app that diables all the spyware funtions, which where build into the integral parts of the software i am using by literal government servants.

>2k17
>/r/eddit influx still falls for the bait

>>60977688
thanks for the hentai senpai
https://nhentai.net/g/191515/

>>60980024
>yaoi
>crossdressing
>draw a girl, add a penis

Fuck you all fucking degenerates

>>60980094
Are you gay or something?

>>60980094
it's ok, they're girls when they're wearing a skirt

>>60979507
>Window decorations and native gui controls can be customized just fine
They can't. Half the fonts are broken and can't be changed.
The properties menu is fucked.
The system UI projects poorly onto external sources after modification.
It takes many hours to do this shit compared to Linux.
It requires background processes which are shit and resource hogs compared to Linux.
You don't have the freedom to further tweak the themes themselves with ease without fucking through code, which is relatively not a problem on Linux/

>>60979507
>Sort of security through obscurity because nobody cares about writing browser exploits for Linux.
Security through obscurity is still security.
Also existing torrent/fileshare malware can't do shit on Linux. Linux can even be regarded as a testing ground for Windows if used correctly.

>>60980806
>It requires background processes which are shit and resource hogs compared to Linux.
I was talking about editing .msstyles files. No background processes required.

Can't really address any of the other things you mentioned because we might not be talking about the same thing.
I also don't have much experience with it because I think it's a waste of time and ever since rounded corners and glass was dropped Windows looks fine as is.

>>60980911
Windows looks shit to me. Shit Frankenstein monster of jumbled UI because Microsoft substituted old UI designers with less competent ones through each new iteration who didn't know shit about what the predecessors did and just used ducktape to add their own putrid piss.

The end result is a company wasting millions of bucks on a UI that's less aesthetic, less customizable, more broken, than fucking Linux of all things.

>>60980967
I guess you're referring to the new interface.
I don't mind the style but I'd like it better with 80% less padding and 25% smaller text.

>>60981024
Well the good thing is that padding, text color, text size, desktop icon text, transparency of window outline, window inline elements, transitions, everything is easy to customize on Linux through settings. Not even fucking code is needed, and if it is, the solutions are already handed on the platter in forum threads.
Hour and dates getting in the way of having a thin sidebar? No sweat, we can change the clock/date appearance format to fit it, or just use a popup icon.
Every fucking pixel is customizable.

Don't like aero? Well you may not like that aero version, but how about any of the following 100 aero theme variations and i don't mean in terms of color? Rounded or sharp corners, you choose.

Don't like touchscreen elements creeping up on your desktop that have somehow made half your UI elements wider so the fat fingers of touchscreen troglodytes can select things?
Well remove the touchscreen package then, at least you'll save up some space even if negligible. That would be the Linux way.

>>60981126
That's great but I don't really care because the window decorations look fine and all of the programs I do actual work in have sane interfaces.

>>60977688
>without having to learn a thousand different command line commands
you need to learn hardcore powershell for serious windows stuff

>>60981293
no you don't

O

MY

Windows is deader than dead. It's only a matter of time.
The entertainment industry is supporting other platforms.
MacOS is already easy to use while Linux is getting easier than ever with specific distros.
Businesses have had enough of Windows making their lives hell, and i'm seeing various businesses switching to either MacOS or Ubuntu with nothing by praise compared to Windows 10 which gets shitfaced.
The future is pretty much set for the old to be replaced, just as natures wills it.

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>>60978146
this

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>>60978146
also this

>>60982495
most useless fucking stupid wasteful shit ever

>>60978146
be lightweight, free and open source and customizable
you can't use it without a graphical interface
you can't watch videos with mpv in the framebuffer
you can't install a window manager you want from a minimal system
you can't edit settings via config files that you can upload to github and just clone every time you need them
etc.

>>60982528
>everything needs to have a purpose
>what is fun

>>60982528
t. jealous wintard

>>60982528
>anything that can't run on windows
useless am i rite??
>linux
muh games xD

>>60982495
>>60982511
>>60982606
https://youtu.be/ROXQNz26nGk?t=38
Get rekt lincucks. I'll keep using Windows and hang out on my desktop space station so I can be closer to the space alien.

GNU/Linux:
>make, gcc, general binutils in the terminal accessible without any hoops to jump through

Windows:
>either use Visual Studio (11GB bloat? why the fuck) or install a few utilities such as MinGW to create a flaky workaround in order to use said GNU/Linux tools on Windows through CMD (and it rarely works properly, even with MSYS32)

or just be a retard and use Unity on Windows because games are all programming is good for right???? lol :))))

>>60983750
Why would I run mingw, msys2 or whatever when Windows can natively run Linux applications?
It's been over a year already, how do people still not know that?

>>60983775
Windows 10, and it doesn't work as a proper environment
Anyone with a bit of self respect will adapt to legacy Win7 at the very least
I use W7 regularly: two drives on my PC. NVME with Arch, SSD with W7.

W7 is for the weekends when I'm taking a break from work.
GNU/Arch Linux is for productivity... I could probably be using Gentoo, but fuck it, I prefer binaries.

Anyways, back to your question.
Why use a shoddy implementation of bash when you could just use the real thing? Laziness?
Laziness does not propagate productivity.
You have more issues than operating system wars to worry about.

>>60983802
>doesn't work as a proper environment
What's missing? It fixed every issue I had with cygwin.

>Why use a shoddy implementation of bash when you could just use the real thing?
Because unlike Wine, the shoddy implementation on Linux on Windows actually works and I need both at the same time.

>>60983830
Bash is not the kernel. Bash is the shell.

>>60981621
>>60981651
GAWD

>>60983848
That's why I said Linux. Windows implemented the kernel, not just Bash.
You have access to the entire Ubuntu repository via apt (people have also succeeded in installing other distributions including Arch) and whatever runs on Ubuntu runs fine on Windows too.

>>60983882
Working xorg? Framebuffer? /dev(ices) working? /dev/random and urandom? Can you answer me: is it a perfect replica, or did they have to change things?

I don't care if I'm wrong because I'm anonymous, it's so pleasant to not have my wrongdoings tracked down and pinned to my identity. But still, go on

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>>60979604
>responding to bait

>>60977688
yo! that's gay

>>60983904
You need a Windows native X server if you want graphics but it does work.
Most devices work.
No support for gpu acceleration and usb devices yet but those are the top two requests on uservoice.

>is it a perfect replica, or did they have to change things
The Ubuntu image is not modified afaik. Why not just google "wsl windows"?

>>60983970
Cause I'm laying on my bed, using a laptop with Win8.1 and an A10 processor that can barely open up a new tab, but can most definitely open up the QR field without waiting 10 minutes.

Plus I'm tired.
I'd rather get fed information for free than work for it.

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>>60983946
well they sure as hell aren't straight

>>60977688
Convenient doesn't necessarily mean better.

>>60977932
Really? Not even needing to know DOS-like basic commands?

>>60984071
liking traps is no different than liking girls

>thousand commands
you only really need a dozen or so

>>60979543
No, Linux is funded and developed by large corporations. Linux advocates are another story.

>>60982495
Can't name it rn, but win has similar 3rd party app too.
Well for me it was an useless program. But it was fun for a week or two

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>>60977688
Now this is shitposting.

>>60977714
Pretty much this

>>60978146
Put your network adapter into promiscuous mode.

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>>60977688
Lel, found the /v/irgin!
>computer is about playing
Get yourself a Playstation, kiddo.

>>60979604
>>60984155
show me one (1) corporation using arch linux as their DESKTOP system of choice.

i specified im talking about home systems as well.

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>>60978146
update the os without having to reboot
your turn to name ONE (1) thing that wangbloat can do that GNU/Linux cant

>>60978146
Run windows virtually for an app and still browse and get things done while it updates and restarts then shut the windows vm down and still browse and get things done. All the while the machine was under my control at all times and I was in charge of my workflow and I didn't have to shell out extra bucks to microsoft for the ability to do so. Some days I don't run windows at all and that's fine.

I don't have a problem with proprietary software but who the hell are all these half-wits that have to make a pissing match out of everything.

Go watch some fucking sport and get all proud or butthurt over the authority sanctioned accomplishment of others.

>>60984133
Yes. also dos and unix commands are mostly different.

Also most distros come with a store and even if you need to add another repository for more applications the sites have direct instructions on what to do.you dont even need to know what you are doing(that's how it started for me).

And on ubuntu mate you can add repositories and their perspective applications with the click of a button on the store.

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>>60987322
Plus with snaps installing popular programs like steam is now even easier.

>>60977876
To be honest, I wouldn't use Windows as my main OS even if it was Free Software.

>>60978146
Use command-line software that actually matters.

>>60978798
i think they run as SYSTEM, at least by default
i don't know too much about them, but they aren't used nearly as much as daemons under *nix, and there's probably a reason for that (read: limitations)

>>60983775
>windows can run linux programs
Cool stuff, winfag, you can have the linux stuff to your windows. But why have the windows stuff to it when you could just install a fucking linux, dumbass. Except for gaming, windows couldn't replace linux in anything.

>>60988176
>Except for gaming, windows couldn't replace linux in anything.

>no good photo editing application
>no good video editing application
>no good daws
>shitty office suite compared to microsoft's
>no cad tools

>>60979806
He's not actually retarded, Microsoft is just extremely clever about hiding how that setting works behind ambiguous language. Unless you know how that works, you need to first of all spot the ambiguity and then re-read with concentration.

>>60990548
He's retarded because instead of double-checking the settings he decided to do a rant on twitter which earned him 3000 retweets.
I'm still seeing people post entire screenshots of that as an argument.

The policy should have been named "Configure Telemetry"

>>60990632
90% of people aren't gonna double check it because from the name it's pretty clear cut what that setting does. That's the whole point, that's why it's named like that.

>>60978586
you mean unix

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>>60979806
>mfw he actually thinks windows will stop spying on you if you ask it to

>>60990655
>90% of people
99% of people don't know what group policy is.
The remaining should be intelligent enough to read the description.
Anyone who has spent any amount of time in there knows that any policy that has something other than the three checkboxes is probably a convoluted mess.
Hanlon's razor.

>>60990732
>guilty until proven innocent

Once I tried to make a local symlink to a file stored on the the network and it wouldn't let me because "hurr target no local" or some shit. But hey, at least it plays games.

>>60979806
ignore that twitter post, goy. He's only being tracked by Microsoft because he could be an antisemite

>>60990755
Hahaha. No.
It doesn't take intelligence you muppet. This isn't an intelligence issue, it's a trust issue. You have to assume Microsoft is being dishonest in order to spot this.
Yes, it's not a good idea to trust Microsoft, but they haven't exactly been overtly lying over the past few years. They still have a degree of trust from users.

And from my experience most group policies have an obvious connection between the name and function, at least they were in Windows 7 and Server 2003.

>>60978146
Running GNUnet.

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>>60990818
>And from my experience most group policies have an obvious connection between the name and function
Because most are simple on/off switches. Those that have a range of options generally work like this.

The policy name could be better, calling it a trust issue is exaggerating in my opinion.

>>60977714
how old is this pasta? I've seen it 3 times this week

>>60990919
It couldn't be "better". It could be accurate. Because right now the name of the policy is outright deceptive.

Just read it. What does the policy name say?
"Allow telemetry"
Disabled = telemetry is enabled.
Enabled = telemetry can be disabled.

Look at that language. Do you really think the policy name "could be better", or is it more like the policy name has nothing to do with how the policy itself works?

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>>60990991
As I already said, after spending just a bit of time in gpedit you'll understand that that's not how multiple option policies work.
Multiple options generally means that "Disabled == Not Configured"

If you're bothered by it you should send them feedback.

Why can't people just accept that sometimes you need to use Windows and sometimes you need to use Linux.

>>60991311
This board can't even accept that AMD beating Intel is good.

In all my years of using windows I've never even scratched the surface or bothered to understand its inner workings. The most I would have had to do was run ping and ipconfig and mess around with the clusterfuck that was regedit and the group policy editor to fix something once in a blue moon.
With linux it was hard adjusting to the new ecosystem with a lot of things breaking left right and centre, found myself having to use the terminal on multiple occasions to get anything working.
In the short time I have used it (not even a full year), I feel like I understand what is going on far more than I did with windows. Despite all the hardship and frustration, it seems easier to get into and understand after a while because it exposes itself and isn't wrapped in as many layers of abstraction.

With windows though you don't seem to have to worry as much about dependencies breaking since you can install applications isolated with their own libraries/dependencies, so it is easier to run older versions of software next to one another. With linux as far as my limited understanding goes, all the applications installed share the same libraries to reduce overhead which can lead to conflicts if some programs require an older version of a specific library while other require a newer version of the same dependencies.
One downside is that it has been very easy to fuck up the system accidentally as a beginner, haven't rm -rf ed my system yet, but I have chowned it to the point of no return once by forgetting a period I've been extremely cautious with root ever since. The thing is even if I have multiple backups of my system stored on separate hard drives one grave error with a rouge admin command that works its way from the top of the chain down will fuck up everything in its path including all hard drives because they are a part of the hierarchy.

>>60991120
I'm not bothered by it, it's not my problem. It's a problem of the idiots who use Windows 10.

>>60991915
Idiots will have problems regardless of their operating system.

>>60977688
>Windows does all the same stuff

false

linux does far, far more

>>60991333
Yes it can and has, it's just astroturfing Pajeets who remain pro-Intel.

>>60978216
You mean a GNU terminal.
macOS ships with bash, which is part of the GNU project.

>>60992377
macOS doesn't use any gnu garbage, it's bsd stuff
bash isn't gnu anyway

>>60992905
>bash isn't gnu anyway
yes it is
https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/

>>60992905
>the absolute state of nu-/g/

>>60993352
>>>/v/

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>>60993355
All you had to do was scroll down a little bit.
It is absolutely not necessary to create a hotlink everytime you want to go back where you belong

>>60993396
your dumb

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>>60992905
>macOS doesn't use any gnu garbage
wut, macOS includes a bunch of GNU stuff

>>60993406
At least I was perfectly aware that Bourne Again SHell was part of the GNU project since inception. It's creator, an african-american gentleman Brian Fox was a close associate with Stallman and one of the co-founders of the beloved Free Software Foundation.

>>60993482
didn't read this

>>60993486
I already figured out you struggle with reading senpai.

>>60977688
>like Linux so much?
Probably because I switched back in the days Windows 98 was popular. I know it in and out.

>>60977688
>Windows does all the same stuff
No, it doesn't, not even by a long-shot.

>>60993570
how would you even know if you switched back at 98

So why do you think that linux isn't part of the botnet?
>FREE
>more stable than win (probably)
>highly customizable (without app)
There must be a catch somewhere...

>>60977714
edgy

>>60979147
>intellegenter
This better be bait.

>>60995081
tfw to inteligent too fall for bait

>>60995081
>not noticing "then"

>>60981684
This. Gaming and office users are keeping it on life support for now, but it's a huge IT burden on organizations, most of which only tolerate it because of a combination of whining and dining by sales people, the cheap availability of H1B Pajeets, and users refusing to retrain.

The ribbon in Office fucked with so many office workers that it, more than anything, helped to jumpstart Open Office, and then MS had to go changing their UI a whole ton every release which just makes it even more confusing to somebody who was used to a UI that looked more or less like Windows 95.

The incentive to stay with MS because it's "what you know" is pretty much nullified when they change it all around each time now.

Trump's going to be cutting off the flow of pajeets too, so that'll help as well. Also a lot of stuff people used to do on their computer is now done in the cloud (Google Docs etc) and the person's device is more or less irrelevant to the whole scheme. BYOD is an outgrowth of this, and it isn't just a cost cutting measure.

Microsoft's fucked.

>>60997560
How did this happen? How did Windows get so fucking bad? Did they just get complacent?

>>60997582
It's a great question because Windows is clearly their core product.

Bill Gates, as much as we hate him around here, at least used Windows and would travel around in person to shout at the various people who fucked up. Windows was *HIS* product. Then they got Ballmer in there and he was obviously seduced by the pajeets, until eventually he gave his seat to one.

After Gates I feel that MS was trying to get a foothold in every industry they could, then giving up when it didn't look great immediately. They should have been focusing on making a Win32 compatible but newly-architected core system with a security focus. Then again that could fuck with the CIA and NSA's duties. It's tough to pin their failure on any one factor, it was just kind of a shitshow of failure on top of failure until it hit a critical mass.

Institutional investors are going to get fucked when the plummet happens, I feel we're about 1-2 more WannaCrys away.

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>>60977714
This

I'm getting pretty sick of all the idiot posters on this board, hell, on this site. I think it's time for me to retire from this shitty website like every other actual engineer with half a brain cell.

We lost.

>>60978814
If Ferrari such a good car why doesn't everyone own it, if exercise is good for you why doesn't everyone uses it,

>>60978146
Create a new user without wanting to inflict paper cuts to my dick.

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>>60978183
What?

>>60992905
Lmao look at the mactoddler who doesn't even know his OS.
Bash is GNU, and licensed under the GPL, NOT the BSD license.

>>60978706
Yes, and?

>>60985242
i remember trying it in windows xp days, it was janky as fuck

>>60979806
and how better are you?
>A value of 0 (Security) will send minimal data to Microsoft to keep Windows secure.

>>60978103
>anon why are you shitting the whole board
>"animu website "

>>61006001
You never can trust closed software to just (((((send minimal data)))))

>>60977688
source on this image?

I like linux but i still have to use my windows install for ableton, i get horrendous input delay with wine and bridging 32 bit vsts is not working when i tried it. I wonder how well it could run in a VM? idk, id need a second gpu to get the graphics working properly anyway wouldnt i?

>>61006231
>>60980024

>>61006253
nice, but why this website of all? pop up ads (graanted theyre blocked but still). just use panda

>>61006280
i didn't see any ads

>>61006149
What are you talking about? My point is that the guy I quoted is dumb as well. There's no option for "no data".

>>61007171
My're point is ur a fag

>>60980024
I'm so fucking hard right now.

>>60977688
At first I thought is was /dpt/. Seems like I'm wrong.

>>60977714
Just get over it. This board is full of college kids who talk like they worked in the industry for 5 years yet only have only writen a few hello worlds and taken an intro to programming. Really all this board is worth is bantz and staying on top of consumerist shit (/v/posting). You cannot hope to learn anything useful here or have any meaning discussion. RMS himself has verified my claim