OFFICIAL Debian 9 Stretch Release Party

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>>60952142
Umaru a shit just like your OS

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I've updates my sources.list. There are 3 security updates and 2561 upgradable packages.

Aptitude (ncurses) keeps calculating dependencies and does not stop. It was running for ~3 hours and used 8G of physical RAM and 6G swap.

I tried this:
>aptitude full-upgrade
And this shows a lot of broken packages. Then it "fails to find a solution in the allotted time" and asks me if I would like to resolve the dependencies manually.

Resolve these dependencies by hand? [N/+/-/_/:/?] :
The following ESSENTIAL packages will be BROKEN by this action:
 perl-base : Breaks: perl-modules (< 5.24.1~) but 5.20.2-3+deb8u7 is installed.
             Breaks: perl-modules:i386 (< 5.24.1~) which is a virtual package.
 findutils : Breaks: libpython3.4-minimal (< 3.4.4-2) but 3.4.2-1 is installed.

WARNING: Performing this action will probably cause your system to break!
         Do NOT continue unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing!
To continue, type the phrase "I am aware that this is a very bad idea":

Abort.

Using other options like apt-get upgrade, apt dist-upgrade does not give me thse conflicts.

Is there any way to resolve this?

>>60952191
upgrading from 8.8

>>60952191
I just dist-upgraded with apt-get and nothing broke, stop being a fucking baby.

Also, maybe you should read what packages are being "broken".
It's nothing critical to the operating system.

>>60952142
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
Wheezy is on LTS till May 2018...

>>60952263
if you're not on x86 or arm, it's already EOL

>>60952142

Who will post first fresh install? Did that happen already?

>>60952142
I want her to tug on my foreskin like that.

>>60952222
>Also, maybe you should read what packages are being "broken".
I did.
>It's nothing critical to the operating system.
see
>>60952191
it's definitely critical, how the fuck will it run if perl doesn't?

>>60952300
stretch has been in freeze since october of last year, you can install it right now if you want

>>60952314
I can guarantee it won't fuck your system.
Just try it.

>>60952335
Then why does it show that warning?

>>60952380
Why doesn't apt-get show the warning?
You can't explain that.

>>60952142
Why don't you niggers just use Ubuntu like the rest of civilization?

Behold: Sweet, sweet non-free firmware.

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.0.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/

>>60952394
I don't know, but that doesn't mean the conflict doesn't exist.

>>60952425
here's an idea, try uninstalling those packages and let debian install them manually during the upgrade.

>>60952444
I can't uninstall perl-base, it'd take half my system with it.

>the perlfag still hasn't used apt-get

>>60952763
Yes, I haven't yet. What if it fucks up my system?

>>60952191
Debian doesn't recommends aptitude for full upgrades anymore, use apt.

>>60952796
>Debian doesn't recommends aptitude for full upgrades anymore,
source?
>use apt.
Gives me the same result as apt-get.
https://hastebin.com/uluyobuway
Also, it recommends removing a ton of important packages.

>>60952423
Where do I get the sweeter free firmware?

>>60952788
Then you did something wrong and deserve it.

>>60952788
You do have chroot at your disposal.
Consider taking a backup with rsync.

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>it can't encrypt the partition on install like Fedora
>wifi drivers unsupported
They can't be serious.

>>60952963
What? How did I fuck up by not installing that?

>>60952991
Does that also backup /home ?

>>60952843
>it recommends removing a ton of important packages
Dude, it is only removing old packages that are getting a new version. Like ohh, it says it is removing python3.4, but also installing 3.5.

Just use apt and say yes. Stop trying to second guess people who give you advice here when you clearly don't know what you are doing.

If you are (still) worried that apt doesn't do dependancy checking, it does. Aptitude just uses a different algorithm that uses more ram and doesn't get appreciably different results.

cute

>>60952788
>Yes, I haven't yet. What if it fucks up my system?
Why aren't you worried about aptitude doing the same? Honestly I would be more worried about a process running on your system state files and repeatedly failing, even when you know it will.

im back after work and dinner if anyone needs any help with the transition

>>60952191
ctrl + t cancel all pending actions

go into options and turn off suggested apps and auto removal

update apt/dpk first and once that is clear then update everything else

do the kernel first or last and not all at once incase of a dependency issue

if you get any conflicts go through the options

>>60953593
suggested/recommended packages*

>60952314
perl-modules isnt a required dependency and is optional

perl itself is required
python also isnt critical

What happens if I uninstall apt?

>>60952992
it can encrypt by default
you have to load the modules from the installer

wifi issue is with the hardware manufacturers not respecting open standards

you can still choose to install these binary blobs but they arent offically supported by debian and they are legally your responsibility with no liability from debian (contrib non-free repos)

>>60953593
trying this.

>>60953460
>>60953447
I started

apt dist-upgrade

but I'm trying this >>60953593 first.

>>60953664
i wouldnt suggest it

tell me what u are trying to do and i can try and help you

>>60952992
>usa has killed 8 million at least people

>>60953691
sounds good.

ill be lurking around if u need help just making some coffee

>>60953691
also do a ctrl U to update the aptitude repo sources to make sure you are grabbing the newest packages (not sure if u did earlier)

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>>60953751
>>60953727
uppdating it right now

>>60953777
glad to hear

>>60952142
I'm honestly not sure where to go with my desktop. I've had issues staying on stable lately because I kept needing newer stuff (cmake wasn't even new enough in backports for the purposes I needed it, irssi had critical feature updates, namely SASL support, in the meantime, some things with kvm/qemu, etc.).

I'm considering abandoning Debian and moving to Ubuntu for a faster release cycle, though I'd prefer yearly.

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>>60952423
Heratic

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>>60952142
>anime image
gb2 /a/

>>60953813
I noticed you're posting this on every thread I started.
Stop that.

>>60953802
try out testing

ive been using it daily for 3 years

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>>60953809

>>60953829
I'm not a big fan of rolling releases because then breakage may come at random, rather than at pre-defined intervals of six months/whenever the next release is.

>>60953777
hows it going anon?

did you clear pending actions?
start from the core packages like dpkg and apt and once those are updated you can get a little more wild and update 100 packages at once

save the kernel seperately for last

>>60953849
understandable

with a small package base its very unlikely though but i wont assume your toolset

sometimes its nice wander and check out new things so dont let me hold you back

>>60953874
I upgraded dpkg and apt.

now upgrading the kernel, It's trrying to remove linux-image-amd64.

>>60953664
You can't.

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>>60953899

>>60953899
you either need to update other packages first most likely

its probably trying to remove a package you need like init for a newer one but you still have all the older programs that rely on that so its in a conflict

does it have options under the resolver?
maybe you should set it aside for a sec

>>60953918
that might just be a meta package to pull in the amd 64 kernel correct?

i dont think its required but if you go into the newest kernel package and go to packages that depend on it theres probably a newer amd64 kernel meta package

https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade
>aptitude to update
>not apt-get

>>60953936
No, no options under the resolver.

SHould i just remove it and then try installing it after installing the other packages

>>60953957
yeah, it shows the new version (4.9+80) on the right but I don't know why it's removing it first. Maybe it's because I was using jessie-backports before.

https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-linux-nonfree

>>60953973
is there any packages that conflict with it?

ill take a look hold up

>>60953973
so is it a meta-package?
(itll say in the title)
if so its safe to remove

id have to go on my amd system because i dont have multi arch on this laptop (intel)

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>>60953964
>not yum

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>>60953992
I went ahead and installed everything and it removed linux-image-amd64.

xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse is conflicting.

It shows that there is no version for it for this kernel.

>>60954027
see above

Be safe tonight, anons

>>60953973
go to the newest kernels package and make sure to check in every sub category of all teh required packages and make sure you have every one

maybe one of those required packages doesnt have all the requirements

ive had that issue before where a package had all its required preqreq packages but those packages were missing libraries of the correct version

or one of those sub packages could be in conflict with another package

>apt-get install iceweasel
>iceweasel
>welcome to firefox esr
iceweasel dead?

>>60954060
nah, this is weird.

This has no stretch version.

https://packages.debian.org/jessie/xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse

>>60954046
xorg-input-evdev doesnt work in vms?

>>60954061
iceweasel is a backport so its slower than rolling obviously

>>60954061
The rebranding was no longer necessary. In 8 iceweasel was just a link to firefox and it's not even in the repos for 9. They did however remove seamonkey which is lame.

>>60954084
I'm trying to manually update xserver-xorg-input-evdev and it recommends removing these packages:

      Remove the following packages:                                                                          
1)      libavahi-client3:i386                                                                                 
2)      libcups2:i386                                                                                         
3)      libdbus-1-3:i386                                                                                      
4)      xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse                                                                            
5)      xserver-xorg-video-modesetting                                                                        
6)      xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion

>>60954061
my audio isn't worknig either.. about to fuck this shit.. back to shit that works..

>>60954122
im pretty sure those are all depreciated so its safe to remove

modesetting isnt required and the others are i386 which are being phased out

>>60954122

Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] y
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libinput-bin{a} libinput10{a} liblz4-1:i386{a} liblzma5:i386{a} libwacom-common{a} libwacom2{a} libxfont2{a} xserver-xorg-input-libinput{a} 
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  libavahi-client3:i386{a} libcups2:i386{a} libdbus-1-3:i386{a} xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse{a} xserver-xorg-video-modesetting{a} 
The following packages will be upgraded:
  dbus libdbus-1-3 libdbus-1-dev xserver-common xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-mouse 
  xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-wacom xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-cirrus xserver-xorg-video-fbdev xserver-xorg-video-intel 
  xserver-xorg-video-mach64 xserver-xorg-video-mga xserver-xorg-video-neomagic xserver-xorg-video-nouveau xserver-xorg-video-openchrome xserver-xorg-video-qxl 
  xserver-xorg-video-r128 xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-savage xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion xserver-xorg-video-sisusb xserver-xorg-video-tdfx 
  xserver-xorg-video-trident xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vmware 
The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
  libwacom-bin libwacom-bin:i386 xserver-xorg-legacy 
30 packages upgraded, 8 newly installed, 5 to remove and 2492 not upgraded.
Need to get 10.7 MB/11.5 MB of archives. After unpacking 137 kB will be used.

>>60952142
Let me guess:
>Everyone will try to upgrade
>Broken packages galore
>They'll have to reinstall
>They'll somehow defend Debian as "Stable"

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>>60954122
whats silicon motion?

i guess i assumed u were using a amd or something

you shouldnt remove that if thats for your gpu

>>60954137
why did you choose all the xorg-video- packages

just get nouveu for nvidia or the amd or intel

>>60954137
otherwise everything looks alright its just a little more bloated choosing the whole xorg-video-*

Guess I tried Debian and it's just Ubuntu but harder for no reason. Why use it?

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No more broken packages after it removed vmmouse. Trying to update kernel now.

>>60954150
No, using Skylake with integrated graphics.

>>60954168
>>60954178

I think debian installs everything, just in case.

>>60953826
You should stop posting uncalled for and off topic anime pictures outside of /a/.

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>not using a rolling release
fucking plebs

> want to upgrade perl to 5.26
> XORG WILL BE REMOVED
what to do

>>60954188
cool :)

should be smooth sailing now bro

pretty sure your issue was vmmouse i think its depreciated and libinput now has the features built in

let me know if u have any other issues

> This release includes numerous updated software packages, such as:
> Firefox 45.9 (in the firefox-esr package)
kek

>>60954209
be more specific and i can try and help you

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>>60954212
I will, thanks!

>>60954209
see
>>60953593

>>60954217
Wat, my Stretch install has 52esr.

ill be back in about 5mins if anyone needs more help with the transition

>>60954195
I'm not breaking any rules, you however...

>>60954220
everything go alright?

generally if theres any breakages itll happen in a major release (first number 7>8>9>10

so you should just be able to apt update apt upgrade without worry till the next major release

minor release transitions 9.1>9.2>9.3 are very reliable

>>60954361
it still shows me this:

Resolve these dependencies by hand? [N/+/-/_/:/?] 
The following ESSENTIAL packages will be BROKEN by this action:
 perl-base : Breaks: perl-modules (< 5.24.1~) but 5.20.2-3+deb8u7 is installed.
             Breaks: perl-modules:i386 (< 5.24.1~) which is a virtual package.
 findutils : Breaks: libpython3.4-minimal (< 3.4.4-2) but 3.4.2-1 is installed.

WARNING: Performing this action will probably cause your system to break!
         Do NOT continue unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing!
To continue, type the phrase "I am aware that this is a very bad idea":

I'm doing it anyway.

After I type "I am aware that this is a very bad idea" it just keeps looping, it shows me the list of programs to be installed and then shows me the warning again and asks me to verify again. Why is this happening?

>>60954361
>apt update apt upgrade
Yeah, you can even do that when a major realese drops! Of course if you insist on using aptitude when it just isn't up to it then you might have to waste you time jumping through a bunch of pointless hoops. LOL!

>>60954405
>installing beta software on a production machine

>>60954405
https://hastebin.com/umuwuxasam

>>60954405
perl-base is required but perl-modules isnt

i actually consider perl-modules to be a viable attack surface which is troubling

>>60954427
it's all here
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/perl-base

>>60954468
I'm tyring to remove it annnnnyway but it keeps looping and asking me to type "I am aware that this is a very bad idea"

>>60954405
both of these arent base dependancies?
perl-modules (< 5.24.1~) but 5.20.2-3+deb8u7 is installed.
Breaks: perl-modules:i386 (< 5.24.1~) which is a virtual package.
findutils : Breaks: libpython3.4-minimal

what do you have that depends on python and why didnt u remove that first?

you have to use dpkg in the console now and dpkg -i the older package

>>60954433
Is that because you turned off auto removal? It isn't marking packages that would be removed for removal and so they are confliciting with the ones that would replace them.

>>60954479
no dont remove perl-base thats required

only the perl modules

>>60954491
>libpython3.4-minimal
This isn't in stretch, so I'm removing it.

>>60954505
yes, going to try that.

>>60954504
trying this first.

>>60954504
on right thanks for pointing this out

i forgot to mention that!

you have to manually remove the older package so u can enable the newer one or it will conflict

sorry i wasnt clear i just assumed you knew

>>60954515
you replied to the wrong post.

>>60954512
ok good ur on the right track

i thought by "looping" you meant u deleted pearl-base and aptitude was acting strange

ignore what i said about dpkg here>>60954491

>>60954521
i meant to say that to both of you actually just got lazy to link both posts
but thank you for mentioning if you turn off auto remove you have to remove packages manually

>>60954534
No, aptitude is looping because it keeps asking me to type "I am aware that this is a very bad idea" and doesn't actually do anything.

>>60952142
GNOME or XFCE?

>>60954552
exit aptitude and re-enter it and it will re-calculate any conflicts between package conversion

have u checked what is dependant on it that you have installed?

>>60952142
Where do I download jessie now that it's been removed from the official site?

>>60954552
actually before u do anything else cancel all pending actions and exit and re-enter it

does it try and force remove or install any packages?

>>60954588
go to the downloads section and at the bottom they have a hyperlink to questions related to special downloads

theres also a ftp archive of every version back to v3 if you search it

a mirror will help with speed but make sure to check the 256sum in case of mitm (not using https)

>>60954552
if it doesnt try and add any after
>>60954593
reboot the system in the new kernel and finish updating the rest of your packages

if you use legacy bios (grub) save that for last

Arch user here, which one do I download for BLEEDIN EDGE?

>>60954593
it's trying to remove a lot of i386 packages.

>>60954573
Right now, I'm hoping it's only libpython3.4-minimal and perl-modules.

>>60954561
I'm just downloading the xfce torrent

>>60954626
remove all pending actions and if its still trying to remove all of those by itself then you have to satisfy the dependencies before you reboot

understand?

>>60953562

I'm going to install Debian 9 on a Lenovo 110 15ibr. Do you foresee any problems? I think the gpu and the wireless might cause trouble.
What do you guys think.

>>60954645
yep, that's what i'm doing right now.

>>60954626
to clerify i mean what dependencies does
libpython3.4-minimal and perl-modules have and remove their dependencies before you remove them

dont delete pearl-base "perl" itself can be deleted because its a meta package

>>60954682
Yeah, that's what I'm doing.

>>60954658
ok and after you clear the pending you have to re-enter aptitude so if it does have a conflict it will present it

if theres nothing then you should reboot into the new kernel

but dont reboot if its trying to remove or install stuff because it will fail if its a core package in transition

This is the shit freetards get excited over? Incredible.

>>60954623
i use testing which is pretty stable

theres also unstable and experimental but ive never tried them

>>60954649
lenovos have good kernel support
if its nvidia there could be issues but you just need to install the binary driver then instead of nouveu (blame nvidia not debian)

the wifi could be a issue but the installer will ask if you wish to use the non-free repo and there is wifi drivers that work on broadcom and other chipsets

>>60954607
Thanks, I found it. Do I have to check the sum if I'm downloading it from the official site?

>>60954742
if its https and you certs are updated no

hover over the button and itll say if they are using a mirror

256sum is only required if you grab it out of the ftp repos (non encrypted tunnel)

>>60954623
Don't listen to that other idiot. Experimental is the bleedingist. Even more so than sid who is psychotic!

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>>60954791

When will the netinst be available?

>>60954694
I hope you saved your selections before embarking on this ill advised adventure.

>>60954715
>if its nvidia there could be issues

It's Intel hd graphics.

>the wifi could be a issue but the installer will ask if you wish to use the non-free repo and there is wifi drivers that work on broadcom and other chipsets

That's the thing, it doesn't specify the manufacturer. It just says wifi a/c. I wouldn't even know what blob to put.

>>60954808
id assume their servers should autospin it up within 24 hours

generally it takes a day for the optical images because the builders are testing multiple presets

>>60954815
intel should 'just werk' with the open driver

>>60954815
give it a shot

if you have ethernet it can even search the non-free repos for a driver

it will ask in the install

>>60954813
I did.

>>60954860
were you able to settle dependencies and reboot into the new kernel?

>>60954815
if all else fails flip your laptop over and look for a door with a screw and search up the wifi chipset number if there isnt a brand

>>60954823
>>60954808
It's out now, nice

>>60954874
that was quick lol

>>60954867
still uninstalling perl-modules.

>>60954882
whats trying to remove it?

what isnt compatible and what depends on it?

you might have to revert backwards before you try and reboot

>>60954901
it's all a fucking mess right now desu

>>60954934
what did u last install that is trying to force the removal of perl-modules?

>>60954934
fill me in on what youre doing

How to upgrade from 8?

>>60954848
>intel should 'just werk' with the open driver

That's good news. Any benchmarks done to know if it is on par with windows drivers?

>>60954872

I think that might void the warranty. I just bought this laptop a week ago and got 2 years of extra warranty on it for a total of 4.

cat /etc/apt/sources

are you on "stable" or "jessie"

if you are on "stable" just 'apt update' then 'apt upgrade'

if it says "jessie" you need to edit all instances of jessie to "stable" and apt update apt upgrade

>>60954993
Thanks anon, was on jessie

I just grew some balls and restarted my system and everything works fine. So it didn't break anything important.

Also, this messed with my mouse and it just isn't as sensitive as it used to be.

>>60954977
it just shows me broken packages and I think I'm going to have to update them all manually.

>>60954954
No clue.

>W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
>EF0F382A1A7B6500

>>60954980
>benchmarks
id check phoronix out
he does exactly what youre asking

i havent used windows in years personally

>warrenty
if there isnt a sticker then it wont void the warrenty
ram doors and wifi doors are meant to be opened for diagnostics or upgrade

if it doesnt have a door than dont open the case because that will void it


id still try the autoinstaller out
>alternitives
buy a atheros wifi chip or buy a <$10-20 wifi AC 2.4/5ghz usb

>>60954561
Openbox, dwm, mwm, gnustep, StumpWM or something similar

>>60955000
np!

>>60955003
glad to hear!
i was pretty confident that none of those were core packages

now you know why you update core packages first
(conflicts mainly arise from package devs and not dev project devs)

im not sure how you go into the conflict originally i dont think it was backport related

>mouse settings
if you dont have a DPI button on your mouse you can either checkout evdev mouse presets (copy and paste archwiki) or it could just be acceleration is on/off?

there is also gui programs that change the mouse so you dont have to do .cfg files

>manual update
this is the best option and its why i told u to turn off the recommends and auto removes

actually that was probably the issue
it autoinstalled stuff that is dragging in a lot of dependencies that are having versioning issues

once you get it settled you can turn auto remove back on and itll clean your system

>>60955015
Fixed by upgrading the keyring package.

>>60955037
good recommends
>>60954561
id suggest openbox too if youre coming from gnome/xfce

>>60955091
good
did everything else go smooth?

>>60955071
I have a DPI button on my mouse, and it isn't changing much. My settings are also at maximum sensitivity (xfce).

Maybe this is because I removed the vmmouse package.

And yeah, not I'm going to manually install them. Will take me a lot of time.

thanks!

>>60955125
checkout archwiki about mouse sensitivity
you can probably do a kernel setting or theres a GUI frontend fron libinput or evdev

sorry i couldnt really help you out

goodluck!

>>60953802
install gentoo

heading out for now.
ill be around later tomorrow if this is still up

>>60955026
>buy a atheros wifi chip or buy a <$10-20 wifi AC 2.4/5ghz usb

I'm pretty sure the chip is soldered. As for USB wifi I hear they suck.

>still releasing DVD and even fucking CD images in LE CURRENT YEAR
>still versions behind for the most important packages for development

Fucks sake, stop shilling this stupid crap.

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can i update to debian 9 from 8.6, i've only been using debian for a couple months now so i dont really know how the releases work

>>60955433
Debian stable is for servers that you don't want to have fancy new untested software on. The iso9660 images are for clean installs and can flash to usb drives just fine. They also off support for pxeboot and minimal netinstalls. How do you bring up fresh servers? Existing installs upgrade without using the images, unless they want to use a local mirror to avoid taxing the network from having dozens of servers upgrading at once.

>>60955476
Yes. See >>60954993 for instruction.

If I tell the Debian installer to use encryption in the partitioner, does it use LUKS or plain-mode dm-crypt?

>>60955536
A quick googly says LUKS: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.installation-steps.html

>>60955433
debian stable is for legacy devices
are you a idiot?

>>60955598
Well now I just feel stupid, since that exact link was in the search results I got, and I went off to other results and confusing myself by trying to read too much into things.

thanks anon

>>60955433
I think this is the best landing page for installing: https://www.debian.org/distrib/

>>60955646
agreed.

maybe OP can include it along with
>>60954993

Anybody having "Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device." on boot while using swap file (not partition)? Extending boot time by about 40 seconds is sad.

>>60955691
nope but i suggest disabling swap unless you have a seperate physical device

it will eat away at your root drives life and also reduce I/O

lastly swap isnt really required if you have over 4GiB+

>>60955706
It's a vm running with 512 mb of ram (which is plenty for it, until python start to eating shit up). I'm aware of pros/cons of swap, but still need it sometimes for some things. Pretty sure that even commenting out swap won't solve this, but will try.

If I add newer packages from the "bleeding edge" branches over Debian 9 stable, will I have any problems?
Basically, at the moment the difference between stable and "bleeding edge" is small because stable just released, but as time goes by that will change.

>>60955733
Yeah, commenting swap didn't make any difference, it still looking for something to resume from. Pretty sure it's kernel-related as per https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/64wonb/gave_up_waiting_for_suspendresume_device/dgbtfyg/
oh well, just will deal with it, will be nice if this get fixed in future.

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>>60952142

I downloaded both debian 9 amd and netinstall isos but they both give me an error when i try and boot them from laptop: error no video mode activated. I have never had this problem with earlier debians. Someone know how i can fix this? I have tried both rufus and universal usb installer with same result.

>>60955798
Assuming you are doing it via pinning: https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
Then, as long as they install properly, you shouldn't have any problems.
That will make it so experimental/sid/whatever has a lower priority than stable but you can still install manually (as long as the versioned dependancies check out, otherwise it will complain about conflicts).

>>60955977

Thanks for telling me about pinning, I'm new to Linux, didn't know about it.

I'm trying to install Debian 9 but when I boot into my live disk it flashes a black screen for like 10 seconds and then just boots into the installed OS like normal. Wtf is going on? Already checked the md5 and it's cool. Tried booting up in legacy mode and I get partition table invalid. Help please

>>60956129

I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

Since you're new to it, I was hoping you'd be receptive to accurate information about GNU/Linux and movement for free software.

>>60955870
>>60956261

Could be related bug perhaps?

>>60956261
Wrong bios options? If the boot is failing it should show a grub error.

Can any of you guys help with >>60956386? I'm trying to remove cruft from my system.

>>60956261
>>60956298
For some reason the xfce ISO I was using just wasn't working so I used the netist ISO and all is fine now.

Do we have isos yet?

My wifi requires non-free firmware.
If I install free debian iso and then connect to internet with a free wifi adapter and enable non-free in sources list, will it get the firmware for it?

>>60956502
Yes.

>>60956532
Yeah. Just install the package called eg firmware-realtec or whatever. Also check the /dist/ page linked above for some firmware stuff you can use with the installer.

Why is stretch still in testing at packages.debian.org?

https://packages.debian.org/testing/

>>60956908
Non homogenous infrastructure. Despite debian being fairly hip on servers right now their devops are a shambles. Mainly because if anyone tried to crack some whips and get stuff strictly organized they would chase a bunch of volunteers away.

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Has anyone more of these?

>>60956987
So is apt-get correctly syncing package lists or not?

What if I have a problem with a package and have to look it up?

>>60957006
If you have hundreds of upgradeable packages and it isn't complaining about the releases file checksum failing then it should be fine. I guess if you need to look at package details use apt show or showpkg? *shrug*

>>60957065
>use apt show or showpkg?
that's slow as fuck, though

What are the advantages of using debian 9 instead of ubuntu 16.04 lts? Anything extremely different?

>>60957556
Put simply: less memes, botnets and normies.

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>>60952142
it has systemd so its shit.

>>60957960
>using a ded distro

>>60957971
i have compiled new versions of some programs to it. its not dead as long as the source builds do not fail.

>>60958201
You seem to be new here. All the *chan websites are born out of anime culture.
We apologize that seems to intrinsically trigger your plebbit sensibilities.

>>60958264
>>60958201
More importantly, you seem to be here by mistake. Why would you be here if you hate anime?
Get back to your normie website, faggot

My installer just hanged on scanning mirror. I had to restart. I'm installing from a dvd1. Shouldn't the DEs be available from the DVD? Why couldn't I hit the cancel button? The installation froze.

>>60957971
debian 9 is already dead

>>60959587
Nice argument!

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WHY CAN'T I JUST HAVE ONE INSTALLATION OF DEBIAN FOR LIFE

>>60959932
You can

>>60953845
I hope this was produced with free music typography software.

OFFICIAL Debian 9 Obsolete From Day One Party

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I'm
>>60952191
and the guy who occipied half this thread for his problems.

I installed Stretch successfully and rebooted and everything works! A lot of packages didn't upgrade, but everything's working right now. I didn't upgrade anything manually and used apt to update everything. now I have ~300 packages that I have to sort manually but that'll take like ~20 minutes.


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Thanks!

anyone using stretch on a ryzen system? any issues?

>>60960035
it's shit.

ryzen, not debian.

>>60960099
elaborate

>>60960137
I'm saying ryzen a shit

>>60960163
so it works on ryzen

>>60960180
yes but ryzen a shit

>>60960221
but it works on ryzen

>>60960233
Ryzen needs 4.10 and stretch has 4.9.

You can check stretch-backports or install sid, or wait a couple of months.

>>60959932
You can. I've had mine for 9 years now, just kept upgrading.

>>60960399
>Ryzen needs 4.10
Why so? Older kernels certainly boot and run on it.

anyone know where the vlc-log.txt is?

currently upgrading

who here /buster/

>>60963220
Nobody yet. Testing is still Stretch.

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Install Devuan GNU/Linux.

>>60952142
Is Debian better than Manjaro? How?

I simply replaced "jessie" with "stretch" in my sources.list; now that I read the thread I should have replaced "jessie" with "stable" I presume.

>>60963470
>single purpose forks

Eww, no thanks.

>>60963605
yeah

>>60963587
Manjaro is basically a less easily customizeable, more user-friendly fork of Arch. Arch and Debian have different philosophies but both use systemd.

Well, that was underwhelming.
>xorg freezes when installing vim
>gnome is unusable shit
>KDE 4.8, just 1 version shy of a usable KDE

Shame. Any recommendations?

>>60963651
I hear system D is bad but that the arch repository is great. I aim to get these and run only free software anyway but what do you run and why mention system D?

Acquired a 1050 Ti two weeks ago and have been using Windows in the meantime. Now that Debian 9 is out I'll switch back, but how does NVIDIA run on it? Any problems with proprietary drivers? I know there's a muh freedumbs driver for NVIDIA but it's still ass.

I haven't used NVIDIA on Linux since 2012 so fill me in.

>>60963762
I run Debian. I only mentioned systemd because that's the only thing I know that is similar between the two distros, apart from similar package bases.

>>60952142
How is this thread OFFICIAL

I want to update my Raspbian Jessie to Stretch but how do I know if Stretch is also the current stable release for Raspbian?

>>60963783
Out of the box experience is absolute wank, probably due to nouveau not working properly with Pascal.

After adding non-free to my sources list, I could install the nvidia drivers just fine and everything works.

>>60953684
>it can encrypt by default
>you have to load the modules from the installer
No it can't.

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>Kernel: 4.9.0-3-amd64

LIVE KERNEL PATCHING WHEN??

>>60965633
that kernel will be used until next debian stable is released.

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>>60952142

well seems like stretch sorted out my RAM problem

everything else seems to go smoothly

>>60953708
i was going to post it but you already did

>>60960025
What's your font?

>>60963707
Devuan Xfce.

>>60960035
You'll have to wait 2 more years to use Debian on Ryzen CPU.

>>60963605
Why?

>>60968157
GohuFont

>>60952142
Best desktop environment for stretch?

Is it good?

>>60963605
What's the difference? I changed jessie with stretch and already upgraded, how fucked am I?

>>60968961
It means the exact same thing until Buster comes out in 2-3 years.

>>60969195
thanks!

>>60955819
Found a workaroung, if anybody wll have same issue - noresume option in cmdline of kernel will help (that is, if you don''t using hibernation that is).

>>60955691
What do you have in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume

>>60970113

# cat /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
RESUME=UUID=fa3429c9-9579-4b13-a047-8e85682e00c5

This UUID doesn't match with swap and/or any other partitions:

# blkid
/dev/sda1: UUID="c8ff30f6-5229-451a-b6ad-3f83c4659d03" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="e11ac50d-01"
/swap: UUID="c1666b17-6bdb-411b-a946-c366ca36446e" TYPE="swap"

I guess proper way would be write uuid of swap file i'm using there, right? It's really doesn't bother me, as I never use suspend on that vm.

>>60970196
why even have resume setup on a VM? you can just pause/savestate the VM itself

>>60970507
> why even have resume setup on a VM?
It was there by default I wasn't explicitly installing pm-tools or anything similar. And it wasn't bothering me until upgrade to stretch at which point I need to reboot to found out about it.
Anyway option with noresume in default cmdline works for me.

>>60952992
>>it can't encrypt the partition on install like Fedora
Yes it can. Are you retarded? It has a bunch of advanced encryption options.
>>wifi drivers unsupported
Might help if you download the non-free firmware archive and extract it into the firmware directory of your install media, or put it on a different device and plug it in when prompted during installation. Otherwise you can find the corresponding drivers for your devices and install them manually using the CLI package manager and an Ethernet cable, dipshit.
>US killed 8 million communist, mudshit terrorists
K.

LOVE IT THANK YOU DEBIAN HIVE MIND

>>60952992
you can download an iso with nonfreee firmware

I want to switch to Debian, but I need a recent kernel for my hardware (4.9 and newer are usable but 4.11 works the best.) How hard is it to get a new kernel set up on Debian? Will I have to compile it myself?

>>60972597
You can probably grab the kernel package from experimental it ubuntu with no conflicts if the one in stable isn't good enough.

>>60972597
Debian Stretch comes with 4.9. You'll probably have to wait a bit for 4.11 which is currently in Experimental if you don't want to compile it yourself.

If you don't mind compiling the kernel yourself, you can do so by adding the experimental source repository to your apt sources and then running:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get build-dep linux=4.11.3-1~exp1
apt-get source linux=4.11.3-1~exp1 --compile

You'll then have a bunch of binary packages which you can install with dpkg.

>>60972790
Why not just at the experimental binary repo? This isn't gentoo.

>>60972850
Oh, you're right. I just got so used to compiling from source that I forgot it isn't necessary in this case.

>>60952142
Does debian have some kind of auto security update mechanism like ubuntu or do I have to run apt update && apt upgrade every day to stay safe?

>>60952175
Ebina is hot though

>>60973639
>stay safe?
from what?

>>60973639
https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades

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>invented debian
>invented docker
>got cucked
>murder by cop

>>60965976
Eh, usually they have revisions for bugs and things.

That's what the -3 is for.

GNU slash Linux Newfag here, how frowned upon is

dist-upgrade

?

>>60976153
enough to get permanent creases.

>>60959998
>dont like debian
>come to debian thread
??

>>60957556
debian 9 actually has newer kernel than ubuntu 16.04
my wifi card required nonfree drivers with ubuntu but now 4.9 kernel supports them out of the box so a lot less issues

>>60952992
what about Koreans? we killed lots of those too

>>60963220
when will buster be covered by dist-upgrade? i have my junk set as testing and not stretch.

I have to install 800 new packages, how fucked am I? Have a bad experience with dist upgrades

>>60972597
You can just use https://liquorix.net/ or use experimental like >>60972790 said.
liquorix are using zen sources and some other patches, current kernel there are 4.11.5.

>>60954043
Rata de dos pataAs!

>>60972790
Do I get any perceptible performance improvements if I compile the same kernel again, only with -march=native?

I'm trying to install Debian on a 2GB USB stick but the installation keeps failing at the partitioning stage (automatic-->"too small to be partitioned", guided-->"ext4 filesystem creation failed"). Is 2GB really too small, even though the Live USB iso is under that size?

>>60979016

I can help you with that, do it from net install instead.

>>60979133
I am. I first ran the Live USB off of the 2GB drive, then I put netinstall on a different drive, formatted the 2GB drive, and tried to install to it.

>>60979197

You booted into the live USB and then installed the netinsall on another USB drive using su -i, yes? Why format the other drive? Just run it off the netinstall drive.

I may have missed something but I don't understand why you want to put it on the 2GB drive again at all. As long as you have it on the net install USB you are good to go.

I may have missed something. Someone else can probably give better advice.

>>60952191
>>60952222
Why don't you guys just do a clean install? It's poor practice to upgrade like this. Better to have your home partition separate so you can do a clean install of the new version and keep all your files.

>>60979297
I don't feel like spending all day restoring my configuration files.

>>60979297

I cohere, dist-upgrade makes sense for servers, but not desktop. Always clean install.

>>60952142
ebina a cute
CUTE

>>60952273
What the fuck could you possibly be on that anyone gives a shit?

Debian became irrelevant when they went systemd.

about to do my first debian install

wish me luck

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New debian install.

>>60979672
Devuan will slowly phase out Debian, not because of the init freedom but because of the competent, professional Devuan developers and lack of SJW politics.

>>60952142
Upgrading my boxes now

So how's upgrading going for you goys?

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>>60952142
I was told there would be pizza.

>>60979297
Is this true? I've been upgrading since Squeeze and had no problems. Maybe you're thinking of Ubuntu?