Official Debian 9 (Stretch) Release Countdown Party Thread

First for the Queen's speech!

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>>60942923

Release the ISO already! Don't keep us waiting.

What DE/WM will you use on Debian 9?

>>60943035

XFCE4 has everything i need.

>>60943035
Windows 10, Windows 10

Aptitude shows 2561 upgradable packages and 3 security upgrades.

My PC runs out of RAM when aptitude checks dependencies.


Help?

>>60943053
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>60943035
i3wm of course!

>>60943053
This.

>>60943074

why is that funny?

>>60943078
Why what the fuck

>>60943071
download more ram

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>>60942923
Debian is like not having sex for a long, long, long time, then all of a sudden, the best sex ever.

Sorry if you find this difficult to relate to, anons. Maybe you'd prefer Arch, which is like fapping every day.

>>60943085
Because Lxde is way superior on every aspect and doesn't have a FUCKING HAMSTER as a logo.
GOD i fucking hate Hamsters

>>60943085
>He doesn't know about KDE's comeback

>>60943132
IDK, anon. KDE has ostensibly better software. If you had to choose between Dolphin and Thunar, it should be an obvious choice.

>>60943132

XFCE is better.

>>60943127
What is the equivalent of never having had sex and then realizing that you never will have sex? That is all I know and I would like my computing experience to feel the same way.
Gentoo?

>>60943071
Use apt.

>>60943182
Gentoo

>>60943105
Why not?

>>60943071
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
apt-get check
apt-get autoclean

>>60943199
It's a fucke up sitation, using apt-get gives me no problems and it wants to download andinstall the packages it can.

aptitude doesn't stop resolving dependencies and keeps using RAM (I had it up for ~3 hours and it was using ~12G). Never completed that.

What should I do? Is there really any value to upgrading if I just shitpost, listen to music and watch movies?

>>60943321
I'm not a babby, please.

see>>60943322

>>60942923
>not running unstable

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>>60943322
>>60943335

Stop being a fag and just use apt-get for Christ's sakes.

>>60943354
.......WHAT IF IT FUCKS UP MY SYSTEM

>>60943161
KDE is the most technically superior DE in the world, but it doesn't have any good themes.

Now ask yourself, what's more important: Technical superiority, or themes?

I think you'll understand why we have to reject KDE.

>>60943343
>Being a tripfeg

>>60943361
Uhh, why did you think aptitude wouldn't where apt would? I'm pretty sure they would both be fine. Barring the usually problems doing a dist upgrade can lead to.

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>>60943361
Perhaps you should be more skilled at fixing problems, anon, because aptitude is gonna do the same shit if you built an incredibly convoluted system in the first place.

At this point, you should have installed Gentoo, but you ignored all the warnings. Now Hell is raining down on you, motherfucker, and the Heavens are shaking.

You could have listened, but you didn't, and now you're paying the price. Your existence is God's greatest failure. I can only hope that you learn you lesson and study this operating system more carefully, and crawl back up to purgatory once again, a redeemed man.

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installing now....why wait???

>>60943379
output when i run

aptitude full-upgrade

https://hastebin.com/efedoqixik

output when I run

apt-get upgrade

https://hastebin.com/ameqacalaf

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>>60943035
Cinnamon, because I'm a Windows user.

>>60943440
Forget apt-get. Try apt.

apt update
apt dist-upgrade

>>60943440
>https://hastebin.com/ameqacalaf
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
sudo reboot
sudo apt-get autoremove
sudo stop-being-a-faggot --user me

>>60943364
yeah I agree with you KDE is-

*the whole system crashes*

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>>60943430

Brother, let me tell you something. Many a day I have lumbered here by this fence and looked at this world. These fences which border this small plot of mud seem to be the edges of the Earth. But I have gazed many beyond the fence. I have watched the hills of green and the tall, slim, terrifying figures who lurk and haunt the strange barn on the far side of the hill, who appear as spectres as the sun rises at the break of day and refill the Oats, and float away without a word. Often I wonder why we are not like them, why we cannot give ourselves the oats, why we are limited and chained down by the girth of our bodies and the uselessness of our hooves. And indeed for many years this sad truth, that forever we would be trapped in this shallow frame , alone, and without purpose or direction, banished forever to wallow in our own filth, this depressed me. But yesterday I realized something. Who are we to be ungrateful for existence in the first place? Who are we to say that this life is not good enough? Instead of oblivion we have the warmth of the sun and the coolness of soil. We have fair conversations and a good night's sleep. Who am I to say that these simple comforts are no better than death? Should we not smile like the sun and bask in our happiness as the sunlight warms the soil without question or thank. So brother, let us share oats and smile and frolick as much as our girth might let us. Let us see this pen not as a prison or a hell but as a palace in which we might enjoy the best our existence has to offer. Give me some oats brother, and let us dine together. I love you.... my own flesh and blood, my brother.


>>60943467
https://hastebin.com/digobupape

Does this even check for dependencies?

>>60943503
WHAT IF IT FUCKS UP MY SYSTEM

WHY THE FUCK DOES APTITUDE CHECK FOR DEPENDENCIES FIRST AND APT-GET DOES NOT

>>60942970
>not upgrading via apt

>>60943533
>The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
>Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
I said use apt, not apt-get.

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>>60943533
>WHAT IF IT FUCKS UP MY SYSTEM

>WHY THE FUCK DOES APTITUDE CHECK FOR DEPENDENCIES FIRST AND APT-GET DOES NOT

>>60943533
>WHY THE FUCK DOES APTITUDE CHECK FOR DEPENDENCIES FIRST AND APT-GET DOES NOT
Apt-get is the package manager for those who live on the edge

>>60943587
https://hastebin.com/gikukatexo

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>>60943630
Hence why I called him a pansy faggot. DEBIAN IS NO SAFE HAVEN. YOU SHALL ALL EXPERIENCE THE STRESS OF DEPENDENCY HELL.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHEN

>>60943644
I said apt dist-upgrade, not apt upgrade.

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>>60943627
>caring for your system is somehow autism

>>60943630
Then wat's the safest? Synaptic?

>>60943663
What if I refuse to use my system?

>>60943679
https://hastebin.com/hagogirisu

>>60943147

what does xfce have to do with kde?

>>60943709
they both have an 'e' at the end

>>60943071
Let me guess: no swap?

Create a swap file and proceed.

>>60943701
>Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
Yes.

If it all goes to shit, you can just download Debian 9 and get a fresh start.

>>60943720
So does GNOME, but I wouldn't touch that with a ten-foot pole.

>>60943724
I have a 16G swap, 8G physical.

>>60943727
>If it all goes to shit, you can just download Debian 9 and get a fresh start.
how about no? My system is just comfy right now and it's the weekend.

>>60943747

This, MATE.

Stretch is going to be my first foray into Linux -- how hard would it be to transfer a VM made in VirtualBox on one computer (my desktop) to the physical drive on another computer (my laptop)?

Does it make any difference if you run upgrade, reboot and then dist-upgrade to get the held back packages?

>>60943753
Since you're not going to do anything then you might as well leave.

This was the wrong thread for you anyway, since your posts have nothing to do with counting down until Stretch's release.

>>60943771
Just make a fresh installation and copy your configs over.

>>60943753
How the fuck are you exhausting 24GB memory with aptitude? Maybe you need to close all the gay porn tabs you have open in chrome before proceeding with upgrade.

How unstable is Debian Sid? Was thinking of upgrading from testing to unstable, but it has a really ominous name.

>>60943794
I have tried to do a lot, but I'm not going to do something that's gonig to take too much time.

>>60943803
I had it open for three (3) hours and it just happened.

I closed all the trap threads and BBC tabs, and then started. it was like ~300 Mb.

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>>60943802
I was planning on deleting a bunch of shit and maybe installing some extra shit -- I suppose I will just keep track of that stuff in a txt file.
Thank you.

>>60943782
>reboot
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

the fucking purple octopus is shit tier, jessie is fucking hotter
I want to fuck the red haired bitch so bad

>>60943846
Very

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>>60943782
>reboot

>>60943053
How did you fix the screen tearing?

>>60943465
why would you use a 4.4 LTS kernel on a desktop?

>>60942923
WHERE IS THE FUCKING ISO

also is the nonfree edtion going to be out today as well?

>>60944344
>nonfree edition
just use microsoft® windows®

>>60944377
stop baiting people, man. You can use windows if you like, but shilling all over doesn't help gain users.

why the fuck isn't this stickied

mods wtf are you doing

>>60943035
Gnome.

Who here /not installing/

>>60944377
Yeah fuck people with Intel wifi drivers amirite.

>>60944140
try installing a compositor

>>60944277
because he downloaded it from the windows store

>>60944441
Me, since apt / apt-get does not find new updates.

Do I need to modify the

/etc/apt/sources.list

somehow?

>>60945073
depends, what does it look like right now?

And are you using the sources.list.d folder for anything

>>60944344

It won't be ready till about midnight UTC or thereabouts.

So if you're in the US, you should get it this evening at some point, depending on where you are.

https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/6hshyw/debian_9_stretch_release_day_is_today/

>2017
>using Debian
are you suicidal, by chance?

>>60945090
I think I just need to replace any "jessie" with "stable" at this point.

deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free

deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free

deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free

Every time someone mentions Debian, I do remember Deb and Ian and it makes me sad

>>60945152
"stretch" will also work just fine.

After that, it's apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade, in that order, and hope youi don't have too many custom shit installed that can make a mess for the update scripts.

sup bros

anyone else boot their debian into a compressed ramdisk?

>those gains
*flex*

>>60945155
The name sounds really good. I really wish I didn't know the meaning. Most distros have ridiculous sounding names and debian is boss if you disregard the meaning.

>>60945179
Thank you anon, I'll try this. I just changed to "stable" but it doesn't change anything, I'm guessing the repos aren't updated yet, since the official site reports the current stable release to be Jessie, still.

>>60945179

Apparently it is not advisable to change it to stretch since you'll get a frozen 1 week old testing repo not the actual stable. Stable is better.

>>60945155
Stop it anon, just stop! T_T

>These feels..
@3@

>>60945203

won't be updated for a few hours.

>>60945203
change to stable and type "apt update"
this updates apt/itudes sources

>>60943035
openbox

I like a minimal DE which I build up

>>60943846
SID stands for Suicider In Denial

>>60942923
nonfree iso when?

>>60945297
Probably next few days, could be sooner. They don't announce the release of the non free ISO so you'll have to keep checking.

Is there any release parties in the midwest?

I want to Lan party and share GPG keys.

Maybe even hack together a program or fix a bug.

>>60945297
REEEEE
DELETE DISSS!!!

GNU GPL LIBRE PURE!!!

DEBIAN HAS STANDARDS
REEE!

Shame it's kernel 4.9. Was hoping I'd be able to switch all my machines to Debian.

>>60945297
The nonfree iso isn't a standard part of the release and can be released at any time, if at all. It very likely won'd be released when Stretch goes stable.

You can of course download the nonfree testing iso, which is currently the same thing, and then just switch your sources to point to stable after the release.

You could also do a normal install and enable the nonfree repos afterwards.

>>60943568
Is there a way to upgrade from Kali to Debian using apt? I made a horrible, horrible mistake.

>>60945377
What does kernel 4.9 lack that you need?

>>60945406
Ryzen support

>>60945404
Change your sources.list to the Debian Stretch sources and then update and dist-upgrade, shouldn't have any problems.

>>60943035
KDE on PC, LXQt on laptop

>>60942923
Woo!

Debian "Obsolete from day 1"

>>60945406
Support for my Wacom Intuos Pro. 4.10 was good enough, 4.11 is perfect.

I don't have as much time to tinker with my bleeding edge distros as I used to.

>>60945458
backports/sid/arch/gentoo

>>60945492
This is true, which is depressing. I hope Devuan gain momentum and put an end to this.

>>60945513
Backports aren't officially maintained, and this is a Debian 9 topic so why recommend Arch/Gentoo/Sid?

>>60945377
>>60945512
Stretch becoming stable means that Testing will get a newer kernel.

Wait a week or two and then try Testing.

>>60942923
woohoo can wait for shit font rendering and outdated packages

>>60945458
>>60945512
>I need support for the newest hardware
>I should definitely use Debian Stable for that
You people are actually retarded. Use Debian Testing or a distro based on it like Ubuntu

>>60945406
I thought I read something that they backported ryzen support to the debian 4.9.x-y kernel. I could be wrong.

>>60943764
maybe gnome2

>>60945577
Your reading comprehension is mediocre.

Debian's original plan was to release with 4.10. They changed their mind a few months ago.

>>60945558
This is a thread for professional users.
>>>/v/

>>60945703
Are you lost? Where's your parent?

>>60945836
>>>/v/

>>60945855
*wave*

Probably belongs in /sqt/ but...

apt vs apt-get, which is better, and why?

>>60945534
>babbi who cant compile

>>60945558
>dont like what i dont like
>im incapable of using testing or backports or compiling on my own

HOLD MY HAND UBUNTU!!!!

>>60945558
>le ebin font rendering maymay

literally kill yourself

>>60944140
>How did you fix the screen tearing?

Multiple computers, at least fifty XFCE installs over the years, 0 cases when I saw this dumb reddit meme happening.

>>60945590
I3/openbox/lxde/xfce

anything else is bloat

>>60945873
apt-get is better for scripts since it doesn't change that often and has easy to parse output.
apt has more features though so use that when it's not part of a script

>>60945937
You're not making a very good case for Debian.

Freetype patents have long since expired. There is no excuse for font rendering to suck as bad as it does in Linux these days..

>>60945873
Apt.
>newer
>has more features
>doesn't generate controversy

I include that third greentext so that people won't imply SystemD or Wayland at me.

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>>60945297
>nonfree iso

>>60945873
apt/aptget/aptitude all can work together just fine

>>60945458
>2017
>not using backports

>>60945699
It doesn't matter. Your use case is not what Debian Stable is intended for. Use Debian Testing if you really want Debian or use a distro that better fits your use case

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>>60945965
When will they learn anon?

>>60945959
>he doesnt understand you can change anything you dont like

poor little babbi<3

>>60945994
When every laptop will be shipped with a wifi card that works with libre drivers without needing nonfree firmware I guess.

Sadly with the ralink/intel/broadcom shite being in everything that's now happening anytime soon.

>>60946013
>offers up no defense
>name calling

baka

>>60946016
buy atheros or a usb adapter
or get a laptop with a chipset that supports the linux kernel upstream

thats the H/W manufact fault

>>60946056
If free software is so important to you, then you can buy me a laptop which conforms to your standards.

>>60946045
if you dont like debian leave the thread?

you can contribute to debian or suggest things you dont like to the team

dont go to forums and be passive aggresive because they dont cater to you specifically

contact them and tell them what you dont like or stfu and go on a diff distro

debian is 100% foss and you can change every single aspect for your own custom distro if you so choose

you are just whining like a baby because you cant install freefonts which is already in the repos

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>>60946086
Please fill this out and someone will be with you shortly.

>>60946086
>debian is 100% foss

http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/

hmmmmm

>>60942923
Is there a way to download a c++17 compatible compiler in stretch such as clang 4.0 without compiling from source?

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>>60946124
>https://github.com/debian
hmmm

>>60946114
thanks ill forward that to him for you

>>60946134
Yes. Pin clang-4.0 from sid

>>60946124
debian actually makes the effort to remove non-free binary blobs from the stock linux kernel, they're located in non-free branch if you want them back.

>>60946134
https://packages.debian.org/sid/clang-4.0

you can install the packages straight from sid or wait for backports.

>>60946162
>some of it is foss therefore "100%" of it is foss
You're retarded

>>60946168
And a valiant effort it is, but there is still a part of debian that is non-free. They nicely segregate it, but it's in their repos and part of the debian project, which makes them not 100% free and open source.

>>60946168
B-B-BUT I WANT THEM TO BE LIKE UBUNTU AND MINT AND INCLUDE THEM BY DEFAULT

REEEEEEEEEEEE

FUCK GNU!!!!
FUCK THE GPL
FUCK FOSS
FUCK FSF
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>60945482
Is LXQt stable yet?

>>60946188
feel free to ignore the context of the conversation idiot

i was saying that its foss in the sense that debian isnt owned by anyone and you can change anything you dont agree with idiot

but feel free to try and take it out of context with semantics just so you dont have to counter argue any of my points

>>60946134
C++17 isn't finished yet.

>>60946188
Richard Stallman's definition of a "truly free" operating system is one that prevents the user from installing or executing non-free binaries.

Stop being a fucking zealot.

>>60945975
It was going to, you nitwit, but 4.9 got selected as LTS. Jesus christ you're dense.

>>60946214
>i was saying that its foss in the sense that debian isnt owned by anyone
Well that's not remotely what foss means so consider that you might be retarded

>>60946224
>when I say free, I mean the freedom to be enslaved
literal cuck

>>60946224
>limiting my freedoms to encroach my freedoms
what a liar

>>60946204
Is any DE stable?

>>60943035
i3wm

>>60946249
>It was going to
Going to what? Use Debian Testing? Good news for you then, you'll still be able to do that regardless of what Stable uses as a kernel. Testing will continue upgrading the kernel past 4.9 shortly after the freeze is over (today)

>>60946253
>debian is 100% foss and you can change every single aspect for your own custom distro if you so choose

that is what foss means
free and open source software

meaning its open to be modified and redistributed and required to have a source

maybe you need to look at the definition friend

>Debian Experiment
Arch and Gentoo fags think they have a monopoly on keeping up to date upstream packages.

Any of you /g/entoomen member of the debian project?

>>60946292
>meaning its open to be modified and redistributed and required to have a source
So where's the source for the nonfree blobs included in the Debian repositories? How do I modify those?

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>Countdown Party
>mfw on Debian Sid

>>60943846
Unstable is fine, don't listen to people who've never used it before.

Stable should be called very stable,
testing should be called stable,
and unstable should be called testing in all honesty

Just make sure you'll have some kind of idea on how to fix things in the off chance that they break

t. A guy running Unstable on my daily driver

>>60946314
debian doesnt force you to use any binaries and when you install them with the installer it says that debian isnt liable for anything

you are choosing as a owner of said software to run those binaries

that is your freedom

its not intended for the base install or base system

this is way more effort than the majority of linux distros

the base debian is Foss and you need to lookup the foss acronyms definition

>>60946302
I have code in youtube-dl which is in debian.

>>60943919
same

>>60946348
What about experimental?

>>60946368
stretch is a cute!
delete this pls.

>>60945534
>>60945492
Just use testing ya dopes

>>60946358
>debian doesnt force you to use any binaries
Doesn't matter. Debian, as an operating system, contains nonfree software. Whether you are required to use them or not is irrelevant to debian's status as "100% foss"

You can mark whatever arbitrary choices you want as "freedom" but it doesn't change the fact that components that are officially part of Debian, whether they claim liability for them or not, are not free, and are not open source software.

The base debian install is indeed foss. But the base debian install is not all of debian.

>>60946416
Debian's non-free repo branch is not part of the debian operating system, they're provided as a convenience for those who need them and you need to explicitly add this to your package manager sources.list before you can touch it.

>arguing with Stallmanites
when will you learn

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>>60946358
>lookup the definition

>>60946204
not yet

>>60946348
Agreed.
I expect unstability from testing but it's been about 2 years, and I didn't experience issues transitioning inits while in testing.

(I went back to sysv now)

>>60946411
>Testing + Lack of security updates

yeah, OK. Let me just get right on that.

>>60946432
>Debian's non-free repo branch is not part of the debian operating system
Yes, it is. It's in the official debian repositories and managed by the debian maintainers under the debian banner. It's an optional part of the operating system, but it's still a part of it.

Its existence as part of the operating system is the reason why the Free Software Foundation continues to refuse to endorse the use of debian.

>>60946086
>>>/r/debian
Your reddit spacing gives you away

>>60946416
i was talking about the base debian and its source

you are the one talking in esoteric circles

they clearly are seperate repos and cant be considered the same repo

binaries by nature dont have source and thats clearly stated by the project

the non-free repos are a seperate project to the debian repos

they free repos are in fact FOSS

sorry to break it to you bud

>>60946461
>the official repos

no its a side repo

the official repo installed by default is foss

stop trying to weasel around

>>60946461
Why do you care?
Your ideology is beginning to sound more and more like that of an SJW, who loses their shit when an arbitrary percentage of people participating in a project are not white.

>>60946462
>your attempt at detracting gives you away

>>60946465
You are an example of why people don't take Debian serious anymore.

>>60946381
Oh yeah,
Experimental = actually unstable
I wouldn't use it on the reg for packages and stuff, even if you know what you're doing
It'll break often

Those of us using testing have been on 9 for a while...

>>60946515
>guy who is whining about a OS he doesnt like in a topic specific thread he "doesn't take serious anymore"

awwe who hurt you??

>>60946516
I've never seen it with a firefox newer than release though.

>>60946453
There are security updates for testing, just not as many as stable

>>60946465
>i was talking about the base debian and its source
Then you should use to learn words than mean what you intend, because stating that "debian is 100% foss" does not mean that only the base install is foss.
>you are the one talking in esoteric circles
No I'm not. You don't seem to have a particularly good grasp of the definitions of the terms you're using.
>they clearly are seperate repos and cant be considered the same repo
Yes, obviously. Nobody has contested that.
>binaries by nature dont have source
Exactly.
>and thats clearly stated by the project
Them acknowledging that some of the software in their repos is nonfree does not suddenly make it less nonfree.
>the non-free repos are a seperate project to the debian repos
No, they aren't. They are different from the main repo, but the main, contrib, and nonfree repos are all official parts of the debian project.
>they free repos are in fact FOSS
Again, obviously. And the nonfree repos, which are also a part of debian, are nonfree.

>>60946493
>no its a side repo
It's not used by default in the free installation, but it's still an official repository and is part of the debian project.

>>60946505
>Why do you care?
I don't. I use Debian with the nonfree repos enabled for drivers. I'm just showing that the claim "debian is 100% foss" is not a true statement.

>>60946565
>REEEEE

tldr

debian is foss kid feel free to fork it if you dont agree

cry some more now

>>60946555
With a mandatory two day waiting period, if lucky. https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing

>>60946581
see
>>60946515

>>60946547
?
If you're looking for a newer version of firefox, it would be easier to just compile it from source I would think

>that one anon looking for a fight

I hate arch users

>>60946591
>>60946538

>>60946602
>I don't like the OS I use on all of my machines therefore I am wrong
Sure thing bud.

>>60946416
debian as an operating system does not contain nonfree software

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I don't like the all flat black color scheme in black mate.

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>>60946416
>Defining a distribution as its optional repositories rather than its base programs that comprise a functional operating system

HOLY SHIT /G/UYS, the LINUX KERNEL IS NOT FOSS because it doesn't instablock proprietary software on sight.

You have to realize: once you make free software intentionally not work because the users want to use non-free components to it, your software itself becomes non-free and dysfunctional by design.

>>60946723
>if I just keep saying it over and over again it'll be true
Debian has nonfree software in one of their official repos, aptly named the nonfree repo. That repo is segregated and not enabled by default in the default installer, but it is still an official component of the operating system

>>60946916
Blocking nonfree software is different than not including nonfree software software in your distribution. It is not necessary to block nonfree software in order to be a free distribution, but it is necessary to not have any nonfree software in your distribution. Your intentioned twisting of this argument into a similar but incorrect red herring betrays your lack of real argument.
Debian has official nonfree repositories, has a primary installer that often recommends the use of those nonfree repositories, and has another installer made available that installs the nonfree repos by default.

Most of debian is free software. The base installation in most cases is comprised of free software, but the debian project itself, as an operating system, is not fully free software.

>>60944140
Enable the compositor.
Or install compton and run that.
I don't know why is this meme so widespread when there is such an easy fix for it.

>>60946981
>Debian has nonfree software in one of their official repos, aptly named the nonfree repo. That repo is segregated and not enabled by default in the default installer, but it is still an official component of the operating system

Lmao WRONG

https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html
> The main archive area forms the Debian distribution.
>Packages in the other archive areas (contrib, non-free) are not considered to be part of the Debian distribution, although we support their use and provide infrastructure for them (such as our bug-tracking system and mailing lists).

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>>60943132

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>>60946886
those ads

>>60944140
You only have to check to checkboxes to stop screen tearing.
This is a non-problem.

>>60946886
>wasting so much screen space with the menu and bookmark bars

>>60947388
it's pretty much the same desktop as lenny
I got used to it

>>60947350
hiro should be lynched

When I tried installing jessie + nonfree on my new laptop with intel graphics, the display drivers borked and was stuck on max brightness. 8 and nonfree works great on my main computer, though.

Will debian 9 nonfree have this shit sorted out? I'm on mint with no nonfree right now and it uses 4.9 kernel, shit works fine, so I hope debian will play just as nicely.

>>60947731
HA-HA-HA. Just keep yourself out of Debian, it's complicated. Install macOS.

>>60947314
delete this please?

my ass is already wrecked beyond a prolapse

desu the name is a bit of a stretch

>>60947869
zing

:^D

>>60944140

Here you go freind!!!

http://duncanlock.net/blog/2013/06/07/how-to-switch-to-compton-for-beautiful-tear-free-compositing-in-xfce/

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WHEN?

>>60948079
Devs say in 8 hours

>>60943035
Window Maker is the only one I've ever liked.

>>60948094
in 8 hours it'll be 1:00am june 18th

shit's going to be a day late? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>60947989
thx bud

>>60945404
Don't do it. Just reinstall.
>>60943035
i3
>>60943322
>using apt-get gives me
he said use apt. apt-get is already an addition of apt.

apt update 

try it

>>60943059
Enjoy your botnet.

>>60943132
what the fuck isn't it a mouse

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>>60943132
it's a mouse you fucking blind subhuman

on top of that, who hates hamsters? they do literally nothing.

>>60946453
The reason they don't put emphasis on security updates is because they don't have a separate channel. Security updates are just normal updates, if you keep your system up to date you will get /any/ updates the maintainer makes by they security, feature, packaging or translation related.

>>60943035
>beware non-tiling
Xorg: I3
Wayland: Sway

>>60948171
B-but my rice, Anon. I don't want to go through all that again.

Is it possible to install it in a VM, get everything to work and THEN transfer it onto my laptop SSD? That I might do, because then I wouldn't have to lose all the work while I fuck around with installing all the programs.

>>60943161
>Thunar
>Dolphin

Yeah, we all can agree ranger is the superior choice.

>>60943071
>for now
cpulimit or use the kernels cpu gov
>long term
get some more ram lad

>>60948597
Ranger/MidnightCommander are tied :]

>>60943630
Just in case you check back, buddy. apt does check for dependencies. Why else would "apt install Firefox" install stuff other than Firefox. Your problem is that aptitude uses a different, more ram intensive, dependency resolution implementation. aptitude is also more thorough imo but that only helps in very rare cases where you have managed to get your selections into ridiculous states.

>>60948582
ricing is a mental illness. I use the defaults with minimal change to the i3config. I don't even change the wallpapers.
If you have time for such shit, you are a kid and should grow up. I do work on this computer, not anime watching.

>>60947731
Lenny was a good release. I first dist upgraded to it from Etch.

>>60948653
Yeah, sorry for not being clear. By rice I mean turning my whole workflow into keypresses, like mod+Shift+J opens WPS and Okular, showing me my work.

It's not so much rice as it is "I don't wanna install all these FUCKING programs again because I don't know exactly which ones I need.

Is there a way to install Debian on a VM, fill it up with stuff and then just move it to the SSD?

>>60948582
If you want to over write everything sure.

Or you can use dpkg --get-selections to export the system state from the vm and then set the selections on the other machine and update (I forgot how, Google knows). But then you will need to update any config files which you manually edited in the vm.

>>60948582
make partition

debian chroot
mv bash.rc .rc init files .bash_profile /etc/apt/sources /home/

change any permissions on files
grub install /dev/sdx
change /etc/fstab

reboot into deb
delete kali partitions

>profit

How is the Japanese support with Debian? I want to be sure I will be able to shit post in my baby-tier knowledge of 日本語.

>i'll just leave this here..

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso

>>60948740
And cron? I'm very much dependent on the bullshit I had to do with owncloud to get it to work...

>>60948746
Depends on what you install. Debian-main is like 200GB.

>>60948703
I would probably transfer the config files from the Kali box first (yes, I'm running kali on the laptop now).

>>60948703
this is also a good advice

you can dpkg --get-selections >/backup/programs.txt

dpkg -i < to install

>>60948782
>200GB
I was hoping I could get by on 8GB.

>>60948766
cron works on debian by default just copy it over

im not sure where kali stores the config but you should be just copy the plaintext to debian

>>60948826
hes joking.

get the netinstall image if you want to build your own gui or make a server

its under 2GiB
theres also dvd option which is under 4.5GiB

>not wanting a full clean install

best way to erase your silly mistakes

>>60948854
Yeah, that should work, but that's the problem. I will be haunted forever whether or not I left some important file somewhere and I don't want to store 100GB of bullshit on the off chance I did.

But this kali bullshit has been taking too long. I'm moving tomorrow.

>>60948893
Not everyone is new enough that they pile up silly mistakes without fixing them

>>60948894
just make a partition or VM and get comfy with your setup on debian while you try and built it back to your standard

then delete kali

theres no need to rush and blow away your old install

plus you get a chance to build it even better since it feels pure

compare terminals compare window managers compare file managers compare shells compare login managers ect

make it worth the switch :)

>>60948923
silly meaning unimportant, but they're there

I personally like to try new stuff, and that's how I break things

also
>implying you need to be an expert to use debian

>>60948663
>>60948663
etch was when I discovered there was an alternative to windows
converted with lenny.
I bought xp too and had it on a dual boot for years but hardly ever used it.

>>60948940
>>60948940
>>>60948894 (You)
>just make a partition or VM and get comfy with your setup on debian while you try and built it back to your standard
I'm hoping to do that
>then delete kali
>theres no need to rush and blow away your old install
True
>plus you get a chance to build it even better since it feels pure
Oh hell yes, built up a deb8 system from a terminal up
>compare terminals
dunno which one to pick
>compare window managers
i3 is goat
>compare file managers
ranger, thank you very much
>compare shells
Muh .bashrc
compare login managers ect
I will look at that as well
>make it worth the switch :)
I will, don't worry! Thanks!

>>60948956
Fair enough.
Experimenting can lead to some breakage but thats the risk we take with going off the main path.

>>60948992
I like your style!
I suggest urxvt or rxvt or stterm (suckless) in that order

all very minimal.

also considering your other choices id suggest looking into console login /etc/inittab

you can setup autologin for a user and bypass a login manager which is far safer in my opinion (a daemon isnt running as root)

also checkout mingetty/fgetty/ngetty if you dont use serial out

>>60948826
That's the entire repository, including packages that conflict with each other. You can burn copies to bluray if you need an offline repo.

>>60949077
Yeah this is pretty cool.

You can even setup your own local repo by just entering the location in /etc/apt/sources

theres also by default a location for the default installer cd you used

>>60949073
>bypass login
Got that... for the root user on the kali laptop. Fuck me, roight?

BUUUUUUT I have the nice i3lockscreen program and I doubt anyone I know (with a single exception) could even find a folder in i3. University education for the fucking win.

>>60949106
i have tty1 setup for manual console login

tt2 is autologin of a normal user without root and they have a bash script that does "startx" when they first login

also remove sudo unless you manually setup the commands that should be used

ie dont let them have passwd or su login
ie sudo su

just manually login root on tty1 for upgrades ect and bypass Xorg

>>60949106
you could have the bash startx and then start screenlock right after

then you could have autologin via /etc/inittab

its not required though if the autologin is a user with no priv

>>60949160
That sounds really nice, I'll try and do that.

>>60949198
That's what I have, I go to the desktop for a split second and BOOM, screenlock.

>>60943035
jwm

>>60949230
Cool!
let me know if you have any troubles.

debian is very documented with debwiki and a lot of the archwiki is appliable to debian

obv the man pages too

>>60949334
Downloading the netinst image as well as the DVD image (although I suspect the netinst will be enough). I loved my work setup before I quit, because there was no XFCE or anything, just pure i3.

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>waiting for them to release the new ISOs

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>>60949449

Confirmed for tomorrow morning now on IRC. Do other stuff or go to bed.

>>60949522
Which IRC are you following?

>>60949522

#debian-release

Have they finally moved testing to stable and you can do dist-upgrade?

wheres the fucking iso?

>there are people ITT using debian on their desktops
I hope you're at least using unstable

>>60949633

A few more hours. Just do other stuff. Have a beer, play a game, listen to music, look at porn.

>>60942923
I am so ready for this. I am using so many backports and my packages are so broken I can't install something as simple as Java 8

>>60949721
Well you could have moved to testing earlier..

>>60949640
Debian 8 works on the desktop/laptop.
Debian 9 will work even better on the desktop/laptop.

isn't testing an unfair name for something as slow moving as debian?
Stable is pitifully old and is difficult to use for anything that requires newer packages for any reason

>>60949801
the whole point of Debian is to have a distro that is rock-solid and dependable

>>60949640
I'm using testing with pinning from experimental.

>>60949801
Stable isn't slow moving, it doesn't change. That's why it's called stable.

Testing is mostly for testing for interoperability, like the whole system at once, not for testing for bugs and such in the individual applications.

>>60949854
What do you mean testing for interoperability?

>>60949854
>ke the whole system at once, not for testing for bugs and such in the individual applications.
oh, I see. so testing keeps moving with package releases during its designated lifetime to make sure there is a stable overall system when running with typical dependency scenarios? while stable is only sec updates and point increases that have been deemed working in testing?

>>60949908
Testing is constantly being updated, it has the latest version of packages and new packages. Every few years testing gets frozen, bugs get squashed, and new stable gets released only to be updated for security and bug fixes.

>>60949908
Exactly.

>>60949939
>and new stable gets released only to be updated for security and bug fixes.
but I though new stable still got point increases

What you're describing as new stable is what I thought old stable was

damn, I'm still on Wheezy for an internal network hypervisor I'm too lazy to touch

It's officially eol

>>60949962
I don't think the point releases get upstream updates releases though. Just cherry picked backports. So not really new features.

Is Debian dead? No Debian 9 still.

>>60950470
The release has literally never been on time

>>60950470

As has been said many times, it is still being worked on. No ISO till the morning.

>>60950508
ISOs aren't out, and 'stretch' hasn't been switched to stable yet.

>>60950522
Yes, that's what he just said

>>60950574
I can't read xDDDD

>>60950574

I think he meant to reply to >>60950470

I hope so, anyway.

>>60950069
I see. Thanks for clarifying

>>60944637
how does a compositor work and would it help me with xmonad/awesome/dwm?

>>60950522
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.0-amd64-CD-1.iso

>>60943035
I can't decide. What should I use /g/?

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>>60950822
install gentoo

>>60950822
What have you used before?

>>60950848
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gentoo

This?

>>60950848
>128x128
why not 125x125, you stupid fucking retard?

>>60942923
I am going to move to guix instead.

why doesn't /g/ talk much about nix?

>>60950928
Why not Guix?

>>60950928
>>60950931
too experimental to be used as a daily distro

>>60950944
False, there are many people who actually use it on production.

>>60950920
>>60950931
>>60950952
>freenode irc
no thanks

>>60950985
What is wrong with freenode? Literally every FOSS project uses it.

been using jessie with xfce on my laptop. now that 9 is coming out and I"m considering a fresh install, wonder if I should try out xubuntu.

>>60951007
Why would you want to try ubuntu when you're on the best distro available already?

>>60950931
>>60950991
>It's made more horrible by the fact that a lot of substandard programmers use it, to the point where it's much much easier to generate total and utter crap with it.

>>60951043
It's not php, it's not a programming language either.

>>60943132
You're literally retarded.

>>60943343
>Debian
>Unstable

>>60950931
>scheme package manager
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/packages/haskell.scm?id=v0.13.0-842-ge07bc1f#n268
I'm sold.

>>60949334
Found the best way to do this pretty much hassle-free (by hassle I mean the need to do it in one sitting or not being able to use anything while working on it)

>make a VM
>install Debian
>Rice
>Rice
>Rice until you have everything you need/want
>copy stuff from previous distro and import it into the VM
>make sure it runs
NOW
>dd if=/dev/sda of=/tmp/image.img
>get a flash drive/HDD
>mount it
>copy it
>move over to the laptop
>create partition
>dd it on there
>make it bootable
>??????
Profit!

While I am pretty sure it will work, I have an LVM encryption running on the VM and I have a separate partition for /home/. However, I feel it won't be a problem. Are there any problems with it?

>>60951109
It's quite elegant, don't you think? I really like it.

>>60951126
Yes, I agree.
Are there nonfree packages for Guix?

>>60951157
Not to my knowledge.

>>60951167
Then it's not good enough for desktop usage.

>>60951179
Seems good enough for me.

>>60951188
do you have 3d acceleration?

>>60950790
idk but it is like an extra layer between applications and the graphics driver and it can do fancy stuff. But what you want it for is basicall for double buffering so it can act like vsync in games and synchronise all the screen updates.

No it won't help you with your wm... Unless you mean will it work with them, then yes.

>>60951250
Yes

>>60951114
Sounds like it should work. If it doesn't and you fuck up sda you can boot the image in a VM in your like disk and just use tar.

>>60951114
>dd if=/dev/sda of=/tmp/image.img
Create image out of disk.
Don't forget that /tmp is probably mounted on /dev/sda.

>create partition
>dd it on there
ofing /dev/sda on a partition? you sure?

>>60951461
I could solve the first problem by dd'ing it to a different device (USB drive).

I don't know how to deal with the second problem. I presumed dd would overwrite the /dev/sda/ with its own stuff, including boot record and partitions and shit.

I am retarded, of course I wouldn't of a disk image into a partition, I have to of it to the whole disk, right?

>>60951510
https://askubuntu.com/questions/32499/migrate-from-a-virtual-machine-vm-to-a-physical-system

Easier than you think.

>>60951554
I found that as well, but I was worried about the partition and the MD5-CRYPT stuff I thought would make my life easier. Won't that F my S up, senpai?

>>60951582
I woudln't knwo

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to anyone wondering, the nonfree images come out at the same time as the normal ones, which is some point tomorrow morning.

I checked with the people on the debian-relase irc.

>>60947791
give this a spin (remember to verify the checksums)
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

hi new threadu

>>60952142
>>60952142

>>60943071

RAM-get MOAR