/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

Who's the guy next to Richard? Wozniak?

>>60925780
is amdgpu/amdgpu-pro not shit yet

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>>60925747
Blog post with details on my Debian -> Devuan migration, it might help someone.

Forgive this shameless self-plug, I forgot the previous thread was about to hit limit.

Anyone mind giving me some advice about using makepkg on ARCHISO? I want to build AUR packages on my live disk but makepkg bitches about being root and arches will bitch if everything isn't root.

>>60925780
post more feet

Hi guys!

In order to install xfce on arch do I just need to pacman -S xfce4 then startxfce4?

>>60925937
>>60925911
Arch is for advanced users only.

>>60926080
and this is an advanced concept you shitposter. There's no longer a root flag for makepkg it literally won't let you do it and ARCHISO breaks if you try to su nobody and fakeroot doesn't supported nested bullshit.

>>60926080
Ah, the classic "pretending to be retarded" shitpost. Ironic, because only retards resort to it for entertainment.

>>60926080
wow writing a couple of sentences on a terminal you can copy from the archwiki makes you an advanced user?

This is why linux won't ever get good. Enjoy your shitty pride on typing on a computer. It doesnt compensate for your fat, pimples and lack of gf. I'll clone the vm and try them anyways so that I can tell everybody how easy it is to run arch and they do it too.

Soon you won't even find comfort in Gentoo until you compile your own SO... which you can't because you're just an script kiddie who can only type things other thought and created before this "advanced user". Don't make me laugh retard :)

>>60926347
GNU/Linux*

>>60925886
Can I ask why you switched from debian to devuan? The only changed you mentioned was the UI, and not in the positive.

>>60926347
Replying to yourself because you are starved of (((you)))s is pretty desperate.

>you will never compile your own SO (significant other)
>you will forever rely on pre-compiled robowaifus
It hurts.

>>60926387
It seems that you are offended because you find those as real issues and can only think of it as a false flag attack?

LOL, the worst part is that it just happened for real.That retard isn't me. I wanted to install xfce and that's why I asked but it seems I'll just have to take some time and google it.

If you feel your accomplishments diminished by me making it more available to other people as soon as I get it working sorry, but fuck you as well elitist scum.

Stereotypes are real it seems, what a joke. Also what the fuck are you guys doing on a friendly linux thread if all you can tell people is that you are "leet" and an "advanced user" (lol the cringe) instead of helping?

tumbleweed or stretch?

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>>60926469
>using google

>>60926493
get a real distro

>>60926367
Not that guy, but I also recently made the switch. I primarily moved to Devuan because init related tasks and scripting is impossible with systemD, also my PC now boots up much faster which is always nice.

I also appreciate the professionalism of the Devuan developers. I hate the way Debian brings it's SJW politics into the distribution, which is partly why I moved away from it early last year.

>>60926367
I simply wanted to get off the systemd train. I'm also no longer happy with the way Debian seems to be heading.

That thing about the UI is a bit relative. If I've been using thunar instead of spacefm as my main file manager so far it's because of the xfce flavour - in terms of features and usability spacefm is generally superior. And I don't think installing just libsystemd0 in order to get thunar integration is a big deal, I'll probably do that in a different system.

The biggest change is probably replacing lightdm with slim. Slim is simpler and less user-friendly. For example, it lacks buttons for choosing session type and shutting down/rebooting (it lacks the buttons, not the functionality). But in fact I usually had problems with lightdm - I'm pretty sure the shutdon functionality was broken more often than not - whereas slim works just fine and looks arguably better. You guys would love slim, it's the kind of thing /g/ would cream its pants over if /g/ ever used the GUI and used a display manager rather than startx.

Bottom line, I was willing to make some compromises in order to switch to a system that I would ethically agree with more and feel more comfortable using, yet in the end I've had to compromise very, very little. There have been some net practical bonuses, too.

>>60926493
Stretch is frozen and will release as 9.0 within months. Tumbleweed has more breakage and fewer packages than Arch.

>>60925886
I just installed this myself from the net install image, it's great.

>>60926646
Googling itself while having access to a dynamic ip isn't bad, doing it while using an account could be, but in the end their privacy practises are even better than other companies such as facebook, or even your employer who doesn't care about security and stores your curriculum and other sensible data in an insecure way.

Unless you go the hippie way in a country which doesn't enforce basic laws such as the need to have an ID, your information is going to leak anyways.

>>60926722
Slim > LightDM by far.

>>60926740
>everything is botnet anyway, lets just give in

>>60926740
>googling
You could, you know, just use a different search engine that at least isn't known to be part of PRISM. Try searx for example.

>>60926781
that woun't help you much, google is huge, google analytics is everywhere
then there are facebook like buttons tracking you and other stuff like that
it sadly isn't that simple to break out of the botnet

What do you guys use for making automatic vps backups?

>>60926816
The other guy here but you can actually block those with some filters on ublock.

Still impossible not to get your data leaked but I don't care that much.

How do I change the amount of lines the scrollwheel travels in X?

>>60926816
>using facebook

>>60926662
such as?
>inb4 archk

>>60926725
it will still be called stretch when its released, its what i meant and it will be released as debian 9 "stretch" tomorrow same way debian 8 is "jessie"

im normally a debian user but i guess im getting memed into using kde and thats best used on suse as far as i know
does it really break that much?

>>60926972
You don't need to have a Facebook account to be tracked, son. Every time you visit a page with a like button, you load stuff from facebook servers and after a while, they have a neat browser history connected to your IP.

uBlock master race prevents this

>>60926722
what's wrong with gvfs?

>>60926993
anon, as a openPepe user I tell you to stay away from this bloated distro. There is simply to good reason to use it, even the KDE integration is just a meme. From my experience, arch based distros do an even better job with KDE. Right now I'm waiting for Devuan Ascii to get a bit more mature before finally moving.

>>60927041
Nothing that I know of. I simply wanted a 100% systemd-free install for this machine and as a learning experience.

Is there any difference in speed if you boot from USB instead of DVD?

Hey guys!

I tried installing ubuntu 17.04 gnome from a usb stick but at the end it said it couldn't install the grub program on any partition. I turned my pc off and now it can't boot, leaving only a "Invalid partition" message, either with or without the usb inserted.

Should I just format the usb stick and configure it to install the distribution again? Should I be worried?

I have a dell latitude e7440 with an SSD.

how do I install a tar.gz on mint?

I want to manually install firefox 54 because it's not in the repos yet

>>60927530
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Install+Firefox+on+Linux

>>60925747
It is entirely possible to make thunar volume handling possible without sudo priviledges.

Are you starting your graphical session with startx/xinit or via display manager?

>>60927599
that's not very FRIENDLY

>>60927158
optical media has very shitty random access, it was always meant for sequential read and writes.

Yes, it will be slower

>>60927679
He literally did half the work for you, how's that not friendly?

>>60926756

Slim hasn't been updated in years. It doesn't work well with the latest features offered by logind. Enjoy living in the past.

>>60927679
Are you literally retarded? There are official instructions on the Mozilla's website, you don't even have to dig deep for those.

>>60925886
>>60926722
>>60927107
If it's a single user system I see no point in having to use a display manager, you're just wasting resources.
I'm using openbox via openbox session on devuan so details might change if you're not using the same thing.


My .xinitrc

# load .Xresources on X startup
xrdb -load $HOME/.Xresources

# start openbox-session with consolekit session
exec dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session openbox-session

My .bash_profile for automatically executing startx whenever I login on tty1

# startx on login tty1 (sysvinit)
if [ -z "$DISPLAY" ] && [ $(tty) == /dev/tty1 ]; then
    startx 
fi

I have no problem with mounting priviledges on thunar and on pcmanfm (which in my opinion is the superior choice) so everything is just as it was on debian the before I ditched it.

>>60927285

I'd say it's an EFI problem. I don't really know much about it since I don't have hardware that new.
You don't have to be worried, you just might have "problems" installing a distribution. Worst case, you go back to Windows.

>>60927802

He's retarded enough to fail at using an internet website (notice his tripcode and username). Why do you think he'd be smart enough to perform something as simple as installing Firefox?

Which BSD should i install?

I think PC-BSD is best yes?

>>60927829

>If it's a single user system I see no point in having to use a display manager, you're just wasting resources.
Some people prefer the looks.
I am pretty sure that display managers set up more things than just giving you a pretty box to log in. See https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/writing-display-managers/ and all the things it has to do in terms of session establishing.

>>60927900
>and all the things it has to do in terms of session establishing.
You're absolutely right but there's nothing a display manager does that you can't handle by a one liner in .xinitrc

>>60927672
>It is entirely possible to make thunar volume handling possible without sudo priviledges.
I know, I've been using thunar that way for years. Is it possible with no systemd dependencies, though?

I'm using the slim display manager.

>>60927919
Resources used up by a display manager are negligible on any hardware that isn't 20 years old
It's just extra work with no benefits, akin to disabling extra agetty instances

New to ubuntu and having an issue with virtualbox, it just doesn't want to fucking go away.

I have uninstalled it multiple fucking times but it keeps remaining inside of my apt, so when I try to update the little fuck gives an error with the release version for zesty.

>>60928092
>Resources used up by a display manager are negligible on any hardware that isn't 20 years old
Says who

>It's just extra work with no benefits, akin to disabling extra agetty instances
Work you do once do you won't have to keep a feature you don't need many years forward.

How different is debian to arch in terms of management?

I've always used arch on every device for homogenity, but I want to get into the orange pi meme and place a few mini-servers across my house.
But they don't officially support arch arm.
This doesn't matter that much to me, but I'm just so used to the arch wiki, and my install script is completely arch based, so it needs to be configured.
What also bothers me is that it focuses on stability, which makes it sometimes out of date to recent configurations.

So how is the configuration placement?
Is the arch wiki good enough for it, or is there like a debian wiki that should be used?

>>60925780
>>60925780

What are some distros that work well with a 4k tv?

I did a live demo of a few ubuntu flavors and all 3 of them had framerate issues, as well as poor scaling options. I tried kubuntu, ubuntu-budgie and manjaro-xfce. The resolution I can live with but the framerate seems to stick at 30hz.

>>60927068
Devuan Jessie 1.0 is pretty great, if you wanted to give it a try

>>60928186

>apparently used arch or any distribution for years
>apparently doesn't know that it's all the same software that runs on them and which means it behaves the same

>So how is the configuration placement?
If software expects configuration files to be in one place, it will expect that across distributions unless the distribution needlessly changes the software to use new directories which is ridiculous.

>>60928332
Yes Debian is ridiculous.

>>60928118
>Says who
sddm uses 10 megabytes of ram on my setup and it doesn't use any cpu when idle
In worst case scenario it'll get swapped out to never to use any actual ram
Plus/minus ten megabytes is both very small amount in comparison to any typical desktop application, hell, even X11 uses 10 times more ram, and very small amount in comparison to typical ram amount on even a budget or old hardware

Unless you're running on embedded or really ancient hardware, disabling display manager is literally pointless ricing

>>60928332
>unless the distribution needlessly changes the software to use new directories which is ridiculous.
That actually happens more often than you think
You can't copy /etc or /var from one distro to another and expect things to work

>>60928482

Give examples. What config files are even in /var? None as far as I know.

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>He still uses a gnu+linux distribution

>>60928299
If your TV has a 'game mode' it might help. Nothing you can do from the OS side. TVs and proper monitors are very different.

>>60928482
Exactly

>>60928499
The location of the config files for openvpn on arch and debian aren't the same for example.

I use some install script for it, and on arch they require manual moving for openvpn to detect them properly (arch needs them in the server subfolder)

>>60928548
>pls pls ask me about my flavour of the week distribution i just installed!!!!11
Okay, what is it?

>>60928617
Thanks. it's http://www.jide.com/remixos-for-pc

a really stupid question on ubuntu:
why can i open some applications (ie firefox) just typing 'firefox' on terminal and others i can't?

>>60928668

Because firefox is the name of the executable and the executable is within your PATH. Look up what PATH is.
Which program can't you open?

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If you're considering switching to Linux but need access to Exchange email+calendars, install this handy little program and use Mozilla Thunderbird with the Lightning addon. I'm actually using it myself for work now.

http://davmail.sourceforge.net/

>mfw GNU/Linux with a lightweight WM while everyone else is dealing with Win10

>>60928714

Every window manager is "lightweight". If your computer has trouble running a window manager, then you have bigger problems.

>>60928733
Compared to Win10 even Awesome is featherweight, and that's pretty chunky by WM standards.

>>60928733
If your window manager needs more than 0.01" to init it's bloated.

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>>60928626
>proprietary Android
ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING

>>60928832
Your time is over. Go away stupid GNU.

>>60927285
I had a similar thing happen to me installing ubuntu 16.04. I think you have to go into the Bios and disable the autoboot or something like that, so you can choose which system to boot up. Then you can choose to run Ubuntu from the usb (not install it, just run it) and once you're running it you can install grub.

Cant remember every detail, and it took me a while, but googling every single error led me in the right direction.

>>60928832
>Dr.
>Honorary doctorate
pick one.

>>60926347
whats a SO?

>>60928868
See
>>60926409

>>60928698
it was sublime text and some other stuff i can't remember

>>60928714
>actual-rms-quote
Nope.

>>60928499
/var/ doesn't contain config files, it contains "variable files", apart from ephemeral caches and logs it also contains various databases. If you host a jabber server, users configuration will be stored in /var, not in /etc

Most programs don't have hardcoded paths at all or they can be changed during build configuration. This exists to support multiple installations of the same software, support multiple platforms or just give more freedom to package maintainers.

The downside of it obviously, is lack of any agreement between distro maintainers on where and how files should be located, apart from usual fhs stuff (and even it is not always agreed on)

>>60928958

Sublime is proprietary shit and who knows how you installed it.

>>60928990
i'm a noobz, but yeah its easy and better than notepad++ imo
i've tried emacs and it was pretty hard

>>60929032

There are other Notepad++ like free text editors. Geany comes to mind.

>>60929032
Try gedit or nano, then learn vim (run vimtutor in the terminal), then learn emacs.

Or at least use atom.

>>60929124
>Or at least use atom
Atom is literally worse than notepad.exe in Windows

>>60929148
but it isn't proprietary, which makes it already better

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>>60925924
Sorry. The snack bar is currently closed

>>60929161
It can't open large files, which makes it literally unusable

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What are some cool terminal commands?

>>60928884
im pretty sure if I tried to recompile my GF it wouldnt work out well for me, heh ,and her

>>60929189
top kek

>>60929189

echo $((++i))

echo $((++i))

echo $((++i))

echo $((++i))

echo $((++i))

>>60929189

Iterate safely and super fast over things.

for i in $(ls);do echo $i; done

Quickly search a text document.

cat my_file | grep something

When something doesn't work add

sudo su command

and it might fix it.

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>>60929263

>>60929263
>When something doesn't work add
>sudo su command
>and it might fix it.


do you have to type your password twice?

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have you ever committed even a single line of code to the linux kernel? if not, you are nothing else than an egoist who doesn't deserve to use our linux.

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>>60929564
I'd just like to interject for a moment. The expression “the Linux kernel” can easily be misunderstood as meaning “the kernel of Linux” and implying that Linux must be more than a kernel. You can avoid the possibility of this misunderstanding by saying or writing “the kernel, Linux” or “Linux, the kernel”.

>>60929564
>fix a typo
>commit accepted
>be kernel developer

im getting less than great GPU performance with arch linux and AMD

i have a 6950 and for example with Netflix on one monitor and browsing on the second, everything seems sluggish and choppy

the general GPU performance / animations are not smooth. What can I do about this?

Its XFCE with default AMD drivers... ?

>>60929684
if he dosnt program anymore and hates most of the internet, whys he always have a laptop, what he using it for?

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>>60929189
"gocr" can be useful sometimes.

$ gocr reason.png 
muh dick

>>60929774
Fighting for our freedoms.

Hey I just Fedora recently and auto update and at 57% I actually hit escape and thought I fuck something up then I turn off my computer and now dash to dock doesn't work and gnome extension doesn't connected to the native connection and terminal, and other applications doesn't open up

Did I brick my computer? because opera and Firefox work and other 3rd party work expect for gnome applications like software store

>>60930159
Just re update, you probably interrupted something

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Wrote c-version of gentoofetch, becouse I don't have job and life.

>>60930502
*because.

>>60930502
how much faster (or slower) is it?

>>60930467
I try to re updating by restarting and clicking on "Install pending software updates" and when it's trying to update it stops at 17% and reboots

I can't even access terminal and any gnome appcaltions

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Alright, I'm going to actually give this fucking GTK3 filepicker the ol' college try, because we're stuck with it and the only thing I can do about it at this point is pray that Zeus strike the developers down before they can take this trainwreck any further with GTK4

So can someone PLEASE at the very least just tell me how I can make it sort directories to the top?

is there any pdf reader for linux that has the auto scroll function? I really enjoy it on adobe reader

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>>60930575
much faster.

>>60930608
What makes you think we even know what that is? Please explain.

>>60930591

Took me 2 seconds to find out how using the dialog itself.
Took me 20 seconds to find out how with my web search engine.

>>60930591
Alright nevermind, I figured it out. It's in the right click menu. GTK3 still sucks though.

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>>60930591
Wayland + GTK4 + Vulkan + Gentoo nomultilib experimental is way to go.

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>>60930591
right click anywhere in the list of files

>>60930608
sorry, but there is no such thing for linux

>>60930608
evince for wayland, mupdf for deprecated x11, but I hope it will be rewritten for wayland, becouse it best reader ever, super fast.

>>60930648
>>60930663
>>60930665
HARDMODE: How do you disable the search feature so that when I press a key it just jumps down to the first file it finds?

>>60930626
because windows has it everywhere by default
>press the middle button of the mouse (mouse wheel)
>move your mouse up (or down), and the window will scroll automatically. the more you move your mouse away from the point where you pressed the middle button, the faster it scrolls

you can enable this function on firefox, and chrome has a plugin for it
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/autoscroll/occjjkgifpmdgodlplnacmkejpdionan

>>60930702
Yeah, I actually use that in Firefox too. The name is a little misleading though, but it's a nice feature.

>>60930702
But this is GNU/Linux, not Windows. Middleclick is for pasting selections.

>>60930717
thats stupid, how can I turn it off?

>>60930748
It grows on you, mostly because it's like you actually have 2 separate clipboards which comes in handy.

Also, there's nothing about that feature that prevents auto-scroll. The developers just haven't felt like adding auto-scroll to the PDF viewers I guess.

I'm reading MIT-Scheme manual.
What is meant by 1024-word block?
If I'm using 64-bit, this would be 1024 * 64 bits?

>>60930608
pdf.js

>>60929715
fixing a typo is still a contribution.

>>60930934
I agree.

>>60930811
I realized that regular firefox works pretty well. it probably is much heavier than a proper pdf reader though

Hello friendly linux general. I am phoneposting because I'm waiting for icecat to compile on my thinkpad.

What are you up to?

>>60925817
That is not Woz.

t. Woz

Probably stupid question here, but does anyone know how to forward blueman-manager over ssh?
I want to use it to more comfortably pair devices, other than bluetoothctl.
However, it says "extension "XInputExtension" missing on display "localhost:10.0"."
I assume it has got to do with the fact that I'm on a headless server forwarding X.
Everything else forwards fine though.

>>60931338
GNU/Linux*

how to escape the systemd?

>>60931742
openrc

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>>60931742

Is abusing cat to print text the standard since ever or is there an actual program made for this?

>>60932072

$ more file

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Why does this list keep getting bigger?

>>60932152
Uninstall old kernels. I like to keep two around just in case the very latest causes ome problems, but more than that seems pointless.

>>60932152
Fedora is a bleeding-edge-meme distro. They introduce new kernel versions fairly often. By default it keeps two previous kernel version so if by some mistake a broken version slips into the main repository you can still boot up to the "last working" configuration and unfuck your system.

>>60932152
botnet

>>60932192
>fedora
>(((bleeding edge)))
Nigga wat u sai

>>60932152
Am I the only one who doesn't dual boot?

>>60932333
>not triplebooting debian

>>60932358
I actually dual-booted Debian and Fedora for a while back when I finally ditched Windows. It's not such a terrible idea, usually the things that were broken in one distro worked in the other, and having a second GNU/Linux system is also handier for recovery than booting from some external medium.

I need a music player that work with a qt interface hold in screen

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Hey guise, I am thinking about going full freetard.
Which one is the best option?

I know that most of them have problems with wifi, but at first I'd just try it out on my desktop. So which one is best for that?

>>60933138
If you're going full freetard might as well go full stallman acolyte. He uses Trisquel.
But bear in mind that besides bragging rights you don't get anything from it.

For example, the only difference between gNewSense and Debian is that with debian you HAVE the option to add an OPTIONAL repository with non-free firmware.
It doesn't come loaded with it by default, so out of the box they're exactly the same.

>>60933227
Well okay, then I might just abbadon that thought and put my effort into building myself a custom distro from a minimal image. not sure yet if gentoo, arch or debian/ubuntu. Prolly one of the last two

>>60933138
All of those are meme DOWNSTREAM distros.Stick to the classics if you want something that will be there in a year

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>add icecat to fresh arch installation
>works fine, but my sound doesn't work
>install regular firefox to see if it's a browser issue (it isn't)
>get sound working
>uninstall firefox
>icecat won't launch
>manually reinstall all of icecat's dependancies
>icecat won't launch
>sudo pacman -S firefox
>icecat works again

What gives?

>>60933738
>sound dosent work
You dont have alsa installed or you dotn have a .asoundrc setup for dmix(follow the wiki)

> XYZ DOSENT WORK
LOGS
STDOUT

>>60933753

I got sound working by adding to
>/etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf

 options snd_hda_intel enable=0,1
options snd slots=snd_hda_intel, thinkpad_acpi
options snd_hda_intel index=0
options thinkpad_acpi index=1

What's confusing is why pacman -Rs firefox breaks icecat when I even reinstalled icecat and then the individual dependencies

what was the debian tool for compiling a package from source that packages it neatly into a .deb archive for package management?

Does anybody here use any gookshit elecom mice/trackballs?

Got mine today, and it's quite decent as expected, but it doesn't have onboard memory meaning the elecom software has to be running. It's working fine on windows, but there's only a windows or mac download, and it's not in the wine appdb.

I don't currently have wine installed, so before I go banging my head on it, what are the chances that something like that would work? It seems like a simple enough thing, but it's absolute gookshit, and even on windows just saving the profile makes it freeze for like 5 seconds.
And if anybody has wine set up and 5 minutes to test it out, here's the download: http://www.elecom.co.jp/global/download/utility/mouse_assistant/ I'd much appreciate it. If not, I'm gonna have to get around to installing it myself.

Is it normal for "traceroute" to take 2-3 seconds to even start at all?

I mean the very first line that prints "traceroute to ____" doesn't show up for a few seconds, just nothing happens and then suddenly text starts printing.

I'm asking because recently it seems like my (wired) connection is taking forever to initialize connections to websites. Once it connects though then everything starts going fast.
Could the traceroute thing indicate that there's just a problem with my machine/router?

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>>60934421
can't be. did traceroute google.com and it printed the response immediately

>>60933138
Trisquel, Parabola, GuixSD are the best. Also look into Devuan.

>>60933227
>my knowledge consists of /g/ posts

>>60934493
I just tried another site and it took a full 5 seconds before anything printed to my screen at all.

>>60933819
checkinstall

>>60934505
Will Devuan get on the list?

Here's a dumb question for y'all: what are the broad steps I need to set up full disk encryption while installing gentoo? Do I need LVM or not really?

>>60934639
No, for the same reason Debian isn't on that list.

>>60934666
Which reason?

>>60934669
https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.en.html#Debian

>>60934678
How is this relevant to Devuan?

>>60934666
I think debian has had mailing list discussions about getting on the list. But they haven't changed anything yet, probably because it would inconvenience people who want nonfree drivers and firmware.

Any extension/flag guide to make chromium more secure?

>>60934749
inox

>>60934756
jolly good friend, thanks

>>60934749
you can only uninstall it
chromium has the google botnet

>>60934773
Chromium is open source.

>>60934788
doesn't change the fact that it's spying like chrome and when convenient, downloads nonfree blobs (that may even listen on your microphone: http://news.softpedia.com/news/google-s-chromium-on-debian-is-listening-in-on-your-conversations-484914.shtml)

>>60934773
Hey buddy, I asked for ways to make it more secure, not for a lecture about your opinions :)

>>60934788
>falling for "open source" marketing

What's a good guide to gpu passthrough on gentoo? I found a bunch of shit for like arch and shit but I'm too illiterate to adapt that

>>60934845
you're a gentoo user. You're the ones who writes the guides. Get your shit together and square up.

>>60934845
Install Arch, it teaches you about Linux.

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>>60933738
>install regular firefox to see if it's a browser issue
>>60933753
>you don't have alsa installed

>>60934860
Why did you feel the need to attach a chinese cartoon to your post?

>>60934855
I'm not actually, at least not yet.

>>60934870
chinese cartoon website

>>60934870
isn't anime from japan?

>>60934903
It's a meme you dip.

>>60934967
nice meme

>>60934982
mpv --no-ytdl http://niceme.me/nicememe.mp3

Is there any way to encrypt a file in an automated manner with just a passphrase without revealing the passphrase to the script that does encryption?

I know you can do that with a key pair but I need something I can write down on paper

>>60935260
kek

Wine or PlayOnLinux? I only have two programs that aren't avaiable on Linux (Lego EV3 Mindstorms Software and osu!) and I don't know which one to use. Arigato!

>>60935464
PlayOnLinux is a front-end for configuring Wine

>>60935464
playonlinux is just a wrapper for having multiple wine instances.
just use wine unless you need multuple differing versions

>>60935464
>Lego EV3 Mindstorms Software
Hello fellow autistic faggot I have one too though with each day of it sitting in the drawer I'm more convinced it was a waste of money. Though the initial few days were fun as hell.

There are other ways of programming your ev3 unit.

Consider http://www.ev3dev.org/

>>60935567
>tfw own nxt 1 and 2
Is the ev stuff a good improvement?

>>60935611
definitely.
Having SSH access is a massive upgrade

Someone help me with this script.

I need a function to list a directory and find a file which matches "LLLL_NNN.NN" where L is a letter and N is a number and return the file name.

>>60935625
It has SSH? Holy crap that's nice. I should look into it

This also makes me want to get an RCX for a full line collection

>>60935639

ls | egrep "[a-zA-Z]{4}_[0-9]{3}\.[0-9]{2}"

>>60935761
Thanks a bunch

>>60935744
>It has SSH?
It has everything a regular debian installation has.
The only thing that limits you is the amount of memory

https://youtu.be/f8I2AMFNUoY

>>60935779
No problem buddy, though I really advice you to get the gist of regexp, it makes stuff a lot easier.

>>60925937
Depending on your display manager, installing xfce4 should add it to the list of DE/WMs on ur DM

>>60935781
I just looked into it and wow it's definitely an upgrade. Plus full backwards compatibility with my shitload of nxt sensors and stuff is great.
>64MB or ram
>"limited" by memory
You could run a full gentoo installation with X and a WM in that.

Anyone using NixOS and able to get video thumbnails to show up in Thunar? I have image thumbs working, but not videos.
I've installed all the gstreamer packages and ffmpegthumbnailer and ffmpegthumbs

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How do you know a host is getting money to being a cuck? He hosts a Linux podcast and has a BSD sticker right at your face.

>>60934421
Try doing it to an ip like 8.8.8.8 and disabling reverse dns lookups. If it goes faster then try switching dns servers

>>60936379
Yeah that goes really fast. You really think it could be DNS issues?
I thought it was really weird that I don't even see the first line print for so long. I know if it freezes on actual addresses then that's DNS, but before I even see the 1st "traceroute to ___" message?

I was thinking it might actually be something wrong with my machine. Like some weird driver problem or misconfiguration

> looking for a distro to install
> "don't use this distro b/c it has stupid apps bundled with it"
> "don't use this distro b/c it has a backdoor"
> "don't use this distro b/c i will personally call you a hipster and piss on your grave"

should i get linux or not

>>60937067
Use Devuan/Debian and live a happy life, never come back here if you want to find peace.

Has anyone used NixOS with sysvinit? Devuan has been fantastic but I want to experience that superior package management.

>>60937198
I don't think it's currently possible to not use systemd on NixOS. I think some people might be working on it though

>>60925924
this. big man feet are so fucking hot

>>60933738

Obviously one of the dependencies for Firefox fixed your Icecat, idiot.

I had to install ubuntu on a usb 2.0 dongle so a friend could have something to browse on. Runs pretty slow, would installing an alternate DE like LXDE make a difference? By the way I had to update and edit a driver (I think) to make wifi work following a guide. Installing a different DE has no effect on drivers and wifi right?

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>ch3ka@lolita
>root@lolita
US PEDOPHILES AND OUR REFERENCES IN THE i3 MANUAL, HUH?

https://i3wm.org/screenshots/#/screenshots/i3-8.jpg

Is mpv hardware decoding broken on wayland? I'm using va-api with intel graphics and it falls back to software decoding whenever I use it on wayland. I think mpv uses xwayland and doesn't have native wayland yet because xprop can detect the mpv window.
This is the error message:
[vaapi] libva: va_getDriverName() failed with unknown libva error,driver_name=(null)
VO does not support requested hardware decoder, or loading it failed.

It's been two weeks since I've switched from Windows to Ubuntu and I have been getting used to it. Prior to this, I had zero knowledge of languages and computers in general (I still have no idea of the basics of networking and what compiling exactly is). I know how to make my way through the terminal and use basic bash commands and install packages.

Where do I go from here? Should I keep tinkering with Ubuntu and see an end to what it can offer me or should I try out another relatively harder distro to work with to better my skills? My ultimate goal is to be able to install Arch Linux and be proficient in customizing a greatly efficient system. Will it be possible for me at this rate?

>>60938554
The only skill you'll learn from installing "harder" distros is to install said distros.
You're not going to climb up a ladder by installing "harder" distros.

And if you want to customize a greatly efficient system there is now way around compiling everything yourself, Arch won't help you with that.

>>60938591
Thanks. How much difference is there between just downloading and installing the binary versus getting the source and compiling it myself? Is it just a matter of customizing in terms of which directory it will be, or is there also benefits to storage size and whatnot? I have googled this but I just didn't get the technical terms they were using. Maybe I'm just a brainlet.

>>60938625
Lots of software can enable or disable features at compile-time.
Now, if you take precompiled binaries, you're bound to whatever the uploader chose - which often tends to include lots of things you probably won't don't want to use anyway, so you have unneeded dependencies.

Like, what good does support for kerberos do to you if you're neven gonna use it?

>>60938591
>>60938625
These are the words of someone who has never installed Gentoo I guess.

Maybe Arch doesn't teach you anything? I never installed it.
But that doesn't mean that's the case for all distros. Installing Gentoo will most certainly teach you a ton about the major components that go into a GNU/Linux system in general.
and you'll even learn about configuring/compiling your own kernel if you choose to go that route rather than using genkernel.

>>60934669
Basically, because non-free repos are hosted on the server and are not "separated enough" from the distro even though they are not loaded by default and are not a part of the distro.
It's stupid, but that's just how the FSF standards work.

>>60934788
Open source doesn't mean it's free.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html

>>60938692
That kind of knowledge is still limited to installing/maintaining your distro.

>>60938727
No it isn't.

You're probably just looking at it from the point of view of already knowing the information and seeing that the Gentoo Handbook doesn't really explain everything beyond what is needed for Gentoo.
But what you don't realize is that nobody is going to just enter commands mindlessly. There is more information there than you realize and enough stuff to trigger the user to ask lots of questions, or even read a man page or two.

I also got to see this second hand because I helped a friend of mine install Gentoo one day, and before I knew it I was explaining to him how the filesystem is generally structured and how mount points work. Things I never knew before doing it myself.

There are lots of little things that help a new user get a firm grasp on the big picture (not always the smaller details though) of how the system works that you're just not seeing.

>>60938768
>But what you don't realize is that nobody is going to just enter commands mindlessly.
What kind of world do you live in and can I move there, too? Seriously, that's exactly what people do. Mindlessly copying shit they read on the internet.

>There are lots of little things that help a new user get a firm grasp on the big picture
You don't have to try climbing the distro-ladder for that.

>>60938818
Alright then faggot, how do you think someone should learn more about GNU/Linux? Because clearly you don't think getting actual experience using it at a lower level does the trick.
Let's hear it.

>>60938833
By actually using the system instead of distro-hopping.

Why are linux users so autistic and control-hungry? They argue about the most pointless shit and how they have more control over their system? No thanks, I'm going to stick with my powerful Mac OS X.

>>60938896
>powerful

>>60938857
>partitioning your disks
>formatting your partitions
>learning the minimum requirements of Linux partitions (e.g. swap is unformatted, partition housing /boot must be bootable, different flags, etc..)
>mounting the disk to mount points within the liveCD
>chrooting into the new environment
>how to set up your network from the terminal because you need it for the install
>installing/configuring GRUB
>writing your own fstab
>configuring/compiling your own kernel

If you think any of that stuff is just Gentoo specific and only relevant to maintaining Gentoo then you're a fucking idiot.
Honestly it sounds like you don't know shit about Gentoo or the handbook and have never installed it yourself.

You'd have to literally have down syndrome to not learn a lot after going through it.

and there's so many more things that people figure out on trial and error that I didn't even mention, like if they didn't know they need fucking xorg-server before their window manager works well they're sure as hell going to figure it out.

>>60938381
yes it does that for me too

>>60938554
arch is easy if you follow the wiki. Install it immediately

>>60934669
The GNU FDL with invariant texts doesn't meet DFSG so the manifesto Stallman put in the Emacs documentation isn't in Debian main. RMS is still butthurt.

>>60938954
That's fine if you do it once, what more do you want to gain from doing it every 2 weeks?
And besides, you're not going to use this stuff by climbing the distro-ladder until you reach those who don't come with a "just click next a lot" installer anyway.

>>60938975
Right, but I want to learn and understand what all of those lines mean, even if it's a vague understanding. I had a lot of fun learning the basics of bash and witing my first babby-tier script. I want to learn how to use other commands in a complicated way (with pipelines and such) and eventually learn about how to set up my own server/vpn, etc.

By the way, how do i use yum? It says there are no repositories but how do i know which repos to add? Is there a list of repos that specify what packages it has?

>>60938988
>That's fine if you do it once, what more do you want to gain from doing it every 2 weeks?
Who the fuck said to do it more than once?

Even if you are distro hopping that doesn't mean you keep hopping to the same distro.
Any distro that has a more "manual" style installation path is going to teach a new user some pretty useful stuff.

Hell, even if the only thing that anon learns after installing Arch is that Arch has a kick ass wiki then that's still something. But even though I've never used arch I'm willing to bet that Arch requires you to do a lot of configuring your own software. That's also pretty invaluable knowledge.

>>60939013
the arch wiki explains all that stuff

>Ctrl+Shift+V pastes the clipboard on gnome terminal
mind blown

how do i paste the middle mouse button clipboard though

>>60939032
The discussion started with someone asking if they should climb the distro-ladder.

has anybody made it to linux from scratch?

>>60938692

Other distributions have minimal installers.
You can compile kernels on other distributions.

>>60939068
It started with your advice
>The only skill you'll learn from installing "harder" distros is to install said distros.
>Arch won't help you with that.
But as I've been saying a new user can actually pick up quite a bit by doing that

It's like you said too, people learn by:
>actually using the system

Just saying use the system to most people is going to mean installing Ubuntu and then watching youtube videos. They aren't going to learn shit that way.
Maybe these installation guides don't actually teach, but they definitely get people to actually _use_ the system at a low level. Installing a distro without an automatic installer is a like a personal trainer that gets them up off the couch and actually throws them into a situation where they might learn.

I think most people do learn quite a bit too. Especially since some of the installation guides are flawed and following them to the T will just end you up with a broken system that you'll have to learn something to be able to fix.

How do I get to the point where I can make an OS like TempleOS that doesn't rely on the Linux kernel and source codes. How do I make my own kernel?

>>60939123
Yeah, that clearly started a discussion and was not a reply to some other Anon.

>>60939157
It started our discussion.

>>60939153
Well the creator of TempleOS is schizophrenic, so that's probably a good place to start.

Is there a way to find the exact memory a single program is using on Linux?
I've used htop for years, but it doesn't give a simple breakdown of all running programs/processes like the Windows task manager. Something like that would be perfect, just something that shows me exactly how much memory is being used by Libreoffice or Intellij etc.

>>60939163
If you want to jump on someone clearly replying to someone else you probably should read what he replied to first, then you're still free to jump on him. The person you jump on won't realize that in your head he started a whole new discussion and will expect you to join his still active discussion.

General friendly advice for your future.

>>60939191
Blow it out your ass

>>60939153
CIA niggers will fear your skills and come after you. Its not worth it

Finally got some free time and went about setting up my X201. Installed Mint 18.1 w/ Cinnamon, and when I log in I am greeted with a black screen, mouse pointer and constant disk activity 9/10 times when I boot. I can switch to the terninal but anything I try to do there takes forever or outright fails. Googled around but it doesn't seem like this particular problem has had any solutions. Ideas?

>>60939274
Forgot: Booting off USB was fine, booting first time was fine, and I managed to boot OK maybe once since then.

Installed a couple of *buntus and they worked fine, KDE Neon worked fine. ISO checksum is OK.

>>60939307
Why don't you just use a distro that works for you?

>>60939274
>>60939307
Have you tried running "top" to see what's using up resources?
Maybe "dmesg" might say something useful too.

>>60939338
Wanted to try it out and I'd like to make it work
.
>>60939350
Running top shows cinnamon at 140% CPU usage (lol) which dropped to about 20% in a couple of seconds, RAM slowly went from 40% to 80% on that process. Meanwhile, cinnamon-settings is at 60-75% CPU. Everything hangs after a minute or two.

>>60939350
More info: This only starts happening after I log in using the GUI, so definitely a problem with Cinnamon itself, or rather its startup.

Any cloud storage services that have an API for push-only sync apart from Amazon S3?

>>60925780
will I be bullied if I use funtoo over gentoo?
;_; i don't have the patience to install normal gentoo and want to try emerge.

are any of /g/'s ftp servers still up?
long time since i lost the credentials, was looking for a book i remember seeing on there

>>60925780
>liveboot Kali on my XPS 15 with 4k touchscreen
>It just werks
>Try Ubuntu in a virtual machine
>Everything looks tiny and fucked up
>install GNOME and try to use the hi dpi setting
>a lot of stuff is still tiny as shit
People say I shouldn't use kali as my daily driver but it seems to work a lot better. Would this have anything to do with live booting or the VM? Why does Kali look different from Ubuntu with GNOME even though it apparently uses GNOME as well? Any reason why I shouldn't just install Kali? Any other distros that will work well with my screen and graphics card?

>>60940201
Gentoo and Funtoo have the same installation process

>>60939055
SHIFT+INSERT
>>60940339
>People say I shouldn't use kali as my daily driver
People parrot what they read on the internet.
Kali as daily driver is unusual but fine.

>>60940339
Oh, but first read http://docs.kali.org/introduction/should-i-use-kali-linux
It sums up the main differences to usual distros.

>>60940343
B-but anon, Funtoo means fun...

>>60939032
Arch installation teaches absolutely nothing other than the basics of using Nano/Vim

>Arch teaches you about Linux
this meme must die, 80% of stupid questions ITT are actually archers

What is the endgame expert distro everyone uses?

>>60940495
The circle goes like Ubuntu/Mint(beginner meme) -> Fedora/Suse(enterprise meme) -> Manjaro/Arch(reddit meme) -> Gentoo/Funtoo(/g/ meme), then you experiment with NixOS and GuixSD, Slackware, SourceMage and some other obscurities, then you realize how a distro should work and just use Debian

>>60940575
Then you realize that Debian has the systemd and use Devuan.

>>60940587
then you realize that devuan has the (((gnu))) and use alpine linux

>>60940650
t. nobody ever

So I decided to give Ubuntu a try by dualbooting with Windows. System installed flawlessly, except for one detail - I cant boot into it. The BIOS gives a bunch of Linux related EFIs to choose from, but none of those work. Every single one gives the "Selected image failed to load/authenticate" error. What do?

>>60940575
Gentoo is a /g/ meme but it's a pretty good distro on it's own

>>60940682
Disable secureboot

>>60940440
Well steam is what my windows partition is for but needing to mess around to get basic stuff like NodeJS doesn't sound fun. I guess I'll try some more distros until I find another one I like.

>>60936265
install tumbler too

>>60929771
seriously can someone reply this sucks

>>60940931
Arch Linux is for advanced users only. Just start over with Ubuntu.

>>60940931
There are no "default" AMD drivers, Arch ships 4 different drivers for AMD gpus, first you have to ensure that you're running the one that you actually need

>>60940484 was right, arch users are retarded

>>60940992
>>60940978
I've been using arch for like 2 years. Just wondering why the GPU performance is dog shit on daily activities.

Maybe its spoonfeeding but what fucking driver are you "Supposed" to use with a card ilke an AMD 6950?

>>60941010
>I've been using arch for like 2 years.
lol noob, I'm using Arch for like 4 years

>>60941027
ok? bet you still don't have the answer to my question cause you suck at linux still.. lol..

how about this one. its really easy.

What driver do you AMD guys use on arch?

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>>60940992
>>60940978
>>60941010
>>60941027
>>60941033

>>60941033
Did you read the Arch Wiki?

>>60941062
uhhh why the fuck is there 3 different pages for AMD

you want me to read all 3 of these pages top to bottom just to findout what driver my GPU should be using?

fuck this, im rebooting into windows. enjoy youre literal timesink shit useless OS, seriously.

amazing.

>>60941094
Just install oh-my-amd-git from the AUR.

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>>60941094
>>60941062
really sad

I open gparted and I get this error:

"The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes."

How do I fix this?

>>60941102
>>60941094
>>60941062
>>60941104


ok.

TeraScale 2&3 HD 5000 - HD 6000

Open Source driver: ATI
Propritary driver: Catalyst legacy

which one / which one do i already have installed?

>>60941104
Yeah, you should use searx instead.

>>60941118
> Catalyst packages are no longer offered in the official repositories. It is no longer updated by AMD and does not support the latest Xorg, so installing an old Xorg is required.

okay, so i really only have ONE driver option, and that is

> Open source driver: Ati

okay? isn't that what i'm using?

its total fucking shit?

>>60941118
>Open Source
>Proprietary

Redpill me on GuixSD

>>60941209


This is whats currently in use:


01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cayman PRO [Radeon HD 6950]
Subsystem: XFX Pine Group Inc. Device 3128
Kernel driver in use: radeon
Kernel modules: radeon


seems like the best option, however it runs like complete shit.

linux sux?

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When will this stigma die?

>>60941255
when people realize that linux is just a kernel

>>60941140
>>60941249
Ayymd has been known for doing terrible job supporting their GPUs on Linux

>>60941255
That's some pretty bad quality for png, or is it just a jpg converted to png? Also why is OP censored?

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>>60941255
do normies think that on windows binaries are growing on trees?

>>60941255
>f-ing
>living in a world where censorship is so normal that you unironically censor yourself

is there a chrome plugin that will launch videos from twitch/youtube in mpv

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>>60941402
>chrome
botnet, uninstall asap

>>60941289
>censored
Because you can get banned for posting social media account.

>>60925924
>>60937305
More feet thread: >>60941422

>>60941412
but im using chromium and i dont like furcucks

>>60941431
what makes you think that chromium spies less?

>>60941415
>Because you can get banned for posting social media account.
wat

>>60941441
dont really care as long as all other browsers suck dick

>>60941481
Spoken like a true cuck.

>>60941450
Global rules No.4.
New janitors have been excepted, and they treat these as dox.
I remember an anon was banned for posting RMS email address.

>>60941534
>global rule No.8
This is not a complain.
This is an explanation.

>>60941534
>>60941554
>life in fear

>>60940495
linux from scratch

>>60940575
My cycle is Void (meme with no documentation) -> Gentoo (currently in the process) -> possibly either GuixSD or LFS. Or just stick with Gentoo because it seems comfy.

>>60941940
>currently in the process
Still compiling?

>>60942080
Still reading the handbook actually

>>60942217
>not reading the handbook while compiling.

>>60942232
I want to know what I'll actually be compiling

Also I have 32GB of ram power so compiling should be really fast :^) Unironically though, is compiling well-parallelised?

>>60942261
>32GB of ram
Do you think you only need ram?

>>60942294
I'd keep running out of my 16GB when doing some things, so I decided to upgrade.