/pcbg/ - PC Building General

FIRST FOR YEAR OF THE AMD DESKTOP

WHAT MOUSE TO BUY /GEE/

I NEED A NEW ONE

My trusty mx310 is finally starting to shit the bed after 10 long years of abuse. What's a good mouse to get that has a great sensor and build quality? I don't want anything with those rubberized coatings.

If there's a recent infographic I'll use that for reference as well

So I haven't built a new PC in like almost 7 years at this point. Do I wait out the i9-7800X and VEGA to see how benchmarks are or should I go with a R7 1700 & 1080/ti now?

>>60890412
get your hand size, and refer to this list:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J14fyar5ns
http://www.rocketjumpninja.com/top-40/

>>60890383
Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.

>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter.
https://pcpartpicker.com/

THEN state the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA.
List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming.
Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs?
ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already

>How to assemble a PC, select components & more. (somewhat outdated)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

CPUs:
>G4560 - budget builds (<$500) unless G4600/G4620/i3-7100 is heavily discounted
>R5 1500x - generally all you need for 60fps with power to spare. No i5
>R5 1600 - best value for higher fps gaming & mixed usage; 1600x if you too lazy to OC
>i7-7700k - bad value but good for higher FPS; may have heat issues
>R7/Xeon/Threadripper/i9 - compute/Multitask/mixed use

Graphics:
>G4560 iGPU is fine for desktop stuff and very light game
>1050Ti for low budget. Drop settings if not Freesync/Gsync on newer games; RX560 if discounted <$90
>RX570 4GB - 1080p@60+hz, running most maxed; older games at 144+hz
>RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA & drop settings
>1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580 and GSync costs more; consider if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA/miners buying all RX400/500s)
>1070 - if on sale/can't afford 1080
>1080 - 1080p@100-144+hz maxed; 1440p at lower hz.
>1080Ti - 1440p@90-144+hz; 4k@60hz in SOME games, more at lower settings

General:
>READ PRODUCT REVIEWS to see if that cheap SSD/PSU or whatever is reliable
>Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed
>NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity/scratch disk/VMs
>Stop confusing any M.2 drive with NVMe. M.2 is a form factor
>mATX board + case is often cheaper
>1 SR DIMM is slower than 2 DIMMs

Hey guys I've never built a rig before but everyone is saying that is the way to go and to stay away from Amazon. I got a budget of about 1200 bucks could anyone provide the best list of parts within that budget? Looking just for gaming, I dont do much else with my desktop. Thanks bros.

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About to start purchasing parts friday. how am I looking? my budget is 1000. i'm trying to to get the most out of money naturally

Reminder that Nvidia GPUs are the new mining cards.
1070s aren't for gaming, sillies. Nvidia knew this all along.

>>60890474
Amazon generally doesn't have the best deals on computer components, and they charge tax.
Newegg, B&H Video, Microcent, and Ebay (new sellers through it, especially those 10-15% off coupons they do like 1 day every month) tend to be where you get the best deals.

>>60890417
Don't fall for the wait meme. There is always something better on the horizon. Get it if you need it now, if not just get it when you need it

>>60890482
Solid, though I'd generally avoid MSI.
ASRock has solid components and the best support for features (ECC memory, PCI bifurcation, actual working sensors in linux, etc)
ASUS has the best components and still usually decent BIOS and firmware. (yes their launch BIOS was garbage, but seems fine now)

Also why not spend $40 more for double the side SSD and just drop the HDD?
And a 550W PSU would be more than enough for your build. You won't draw over like 200-350watt.

>>60890484
Amazon does have pretty good deals on Black Friday. But that is about it.

>>60890504
Opinions on the "Military Class" spec that MSI boasts about?

>>60890518
Yeh, that's true.
And they have deals on other stuff.
Just not PC components.

>>60890504
okay i will drop the hdd. what about this for a motherboard? Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard

>>60890482
what are you going to be using this for anon? gaming?

>>60890566
I have never played video games on a computer. I have a macbook from college that I want to replace with the ability to game, watch movies, surf the web, day to day tasks. really a little of everything. not just gaming essentially.

>>60890589
You can find 580 in stock?

>>60890603
honestly havent even looked i just have fucked around on pcpp are like not in stock anywhere? lol

>>60890533
Bullshit. They are fighting with Gigabyte for most garbage components in most cases.
The exception is that Gigabyte super high end boards (like the Aorus 7) are actually good. And MSI low end might not be quite as bad as Gigabyte low end.

I think they must also pay off reviewers. The (very few) reviews I could find on this ITX single fan 1070 were glowing. They said the fan wasn't loud. The fan is loud as fuck and it even CLICKS sometimes.

ASRock does some insane boards sometimes too. Look at their Z270 Supercarrier. It has a 48 PCIe lane PLX chip on it to give the board 72 total PCIe lanes. It has 3 full 4x speed m.2 slots in addition to the x8/x8/x8/x8, IIRC.

>>60890550
Why not get the ASRock Pro4 or the Prime? (either mATX or ATX for either)

>>60890630
Ya probably aren't in stock. If it is for you and near MSRP, buy it immediately. You may want to call local PC part warehouses or check your local hardware swap.

>>60890498
Yeah I'm trying not to hold out for the next best thing but I'm looking to do 120hz solid in MP games and then as high as I can go on highest settings on SP games and since I typically only buy a new system every 5-7 years I just want to buy the best I can get for the time so I don't mind waiting a little bit.

I was planning to jump on Ryzen right away but the 7700k seems like the better choice from a pure gaming perspective but then I don't think buying a 4 core CPU is a great idea at this point. Plus there's the memory "issues" with Ryzen at the minute that I honestly don't feel like waiting for a complete resolution on. I know it's not a major issue but I'd just like to put everything together and not have to worry about it.

can i install drivers onto my usb that already has windows 10 installer?

3Gb or 6Gb 1060?

>>60890674
6GB

>>60890674
Under no circumstances should you get a 3GB 1060. It is a scam GPU just like the 970.

>>60890645
So MSI GTX ITX should bei avoided due to shitty fan? Read the reviews, thought I'd pick a 1060 Aero OC for 260 - 15 Euro cashback in Germany

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okay is this better dudes?

My thread died so just for a few more opinions before I buy my budgetfag PC should I
A: buy a Dell optiplex with i5 2400 and 4 gigs of RAM for 90 bucks, slap a 1050 ti and 4 more gigs of RAM for a total of about 250
Or
B: Buy a Pentium 4560, 1050 ti and 8 gigs of RAM for 420-450ish with thoughts of upgrading once i5 or i7s and better graphics cards dip.

>>60890818
you dont need a HDD? 512gb is enough for you?

>>60890818
Looks good.

>>60890818
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-313-777

get this ram. running 32gb at 2933 on my ax370 gaming 5

>>60890818
yeah it will be good for the time being i just want to get it up and running and add storage later

>won x370 motherboard in giveaway
>lucky fuck
>have bills to pay
>have car to fix
>shit happens
>motherboard sits in box for months
>finally get some spending money
>just one more week

I can't wait.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RnZwvV r8

>>60890926
I'm just getting back into this shit so I can't really r8 but why spend all that money and then buy a 1080 60hz monitor?

>>60890818
Get a G2, G3, GS, or GQ psu if you're going EVGA

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/F8qbHN

Would appreciate any suggestions. I'm especially unsure about the case right now but I need good airflow since the room I'm in is tiny and due to the building I'm in, air circulation is pretty shit.

>>60890960
>4k

>>60891077
That monitor is trash.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4RE4A21385&cm_re=DEEPCOOL_GAMMAXX_400-_-35-856-005-_-Product

This fan good for 1600x?

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Hot a 1070 coming in but im on a cheapo depot 8320e. Whats the cheapest cpu/mobo i could get that wont bottleneck it

>>60891094
fug 4k

>>60891077
Wasn't expecting him to get a 4k monitor but that monitor with that rig only makes sense if it's a stop gap to save up for a good monitor.

>>60891129
1400 with a 320 chipset mb.

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What's a good fan I can use to replace the one that came with my Hyper 212 Evo?

Checking in here before pulling the trigger on ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1050 Ti OC for 150€from Amazon.de. Any thoughts on it?
I wanted a RX 580 but trying to get one right now seems like a bad idea, so the current plan is to get something usable now and upgrade to a lower end RX Vega and 1440p later.

Current build:

CPU: 4690k
Mobo: asus h97m-plus
RAM: 8GB
HDD: 1TB
GPU: r9 280X 3GB VRAM
Case: cooler master n200 (mATX)
Power: Antec 850W

I built my rig for gaming and am looking to go 4K. My desk is located next to my TV which is the only current 4K screen in my house, and my GPU can no longer cut it for my gaming standards.

>>60891157
What's wrong with the one that came with your Evo?

Cooler Master silencio 120mm fans are good.

>>60891158
I don't know about your country but here in shitty eastern eu there are some 470 and 480 cards showing up for a normal price. I'd say you could wait for those instead of buying crap.

>>60890818
Gigabyte motherboards are trash, get ASRock Pro4
MSI Armor is meh
Get G2, G3, GS, or GQ psu if you're going EVGA as the other anon said
Also is 512GB enough for you? I would recommend 1TB + 240GB SSD

What's a good GTX1080Ti? Should I wait for Vega since I have Ryzen? Not sure if there will be a performance boost since they are both by the same company but I can get the 1080ti right now.

>>60891160
Well then save minimum $700 for a 1080ti as that's the only single card solution that could drive 4k half way decently. Unless you're looking to play on low settings with no AA at 4k. Then why fucking bother.

>>60891178
I've been using it for a few years now and it's getting a little noisy.

>>60891142
what type?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NGFXzM

Will be an entertainment center and playing vidya, watching shows/movies, and maybe streaming.

Should be able to buy it by the middle of July or early august if things go well.

>>60891150
I live by microcenter so im thinking if i get a good enough deal with a mobo combo id get a 1600

>>60891241
That works. The 1600 is the best bang for the buck processor out there at the moment

>>60891214
$700?? That's quite pricey, I was hoping for closer to 500 or 600. What models are recommended? I've never owned nvidia

>>60891241
I replied that because you said the cheapest. You shouldn't but it. Get the one you mentioned with a board that allows OC.

>>60891219
I don't know, but I would personally get something a bit bigger with a better refresh rate and can do at least 1440. But like I said I've been out of the loop for awhile but getting that monitor seems like buying a Porsche but getting tires with it that can only go 65 mph.

>>60891216
Noctua fans have a reputation for being very quiet. Idk why they don't have more color choices though.

I recently built a PC with a Ryzen 1600 processor, 16 gb of RAM and a gtx 1060 6gb.

it's literally the max the average person will ever need. I was playing Witcher 3 in ultra quality while watching a 1080p livestream on the 2nd monitor while occasionally alt-tabbing to browse 4chan while downloading a torrent, while having the LoL client minimized and I didn't even get one bit of lag.

coming from a shitty laptop this is absolutely amazing. I don't get why anyone needs more than these specs though.

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These any good?

>>60891335
I recently built a PC with a i7 extreme processor, 32 gb of RAM and dual gtx 1080 ti's

it's literally the max the average person will ever need. I was playing crysis 3 in ultra quality while watching two 4k livestreams on the 2nd and 3rd monitor while occasionally alt-tabbing to browse 4chan while downloading 8 torrents, while having the LoL client minimized and I didn't even get one bit of lag.

coming from a shitty tablet this is absolutely amazing. I don't get why anyone needs more than these specs though.

>>60891335
What's your average framerate in Witcher 3?

Ryzen seems to be close enough in most games to the 7700k but when it loses it tends to typically lose hard and it seems like on a lot of the benchmarks that Ryzen vs 7700k for games can mean the difference between hitting or missing the 120hz mark.

>>60891183
Finnish prices aren't good to begin with and the shortage definitely doesn't help. Not a lot of used cards going around either as far as I can tell. If I knew the situation was going back to normal in X weeks I could probably wait but I have no idea. Doesn't help that my GPU's dead so I'm not just upgrading from an old card that isn't quite cutting it anymore.

>OP is still shilling Intel
How much do they pay you? Seriously.

>>60891140
1440p or 1080 144 hz exists. 23" 1080p 60hz? Pretty much like a laptop screen at this point.

>>60891158
Is that the cheapest one you can find? They should be starting at ~130€ depending on country. All 1050 Tis are basically the same, so if you're just buying to have something for now I'd just get the cheapest.
I think some of the more expensive ones take a 6 pin power connector and can potentially be overclocked further, but I doubt it's worth it.

You could also try to get a used gtx 970 on ebay for ~120. It's not great, but still quite a bit better than a 1050 Ti.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qZbkr7

Hello everyone after a week lurking on /pcbg/ threads I ended up with this build, any last thoughts/recommendations before I buy it? Thanks

>>60891557
Monitor has QC issues if you are fine with playing RMA lottery go ahead.

>>60891557
I don't know if you would know but why does ryzen seem to be the go to choice right now for new builds? And why did you personally pick it? It has more cores but a much lower clock speed than the i series at a similar price. I'm just curious as to why I'm seeing so many ryzen builds.

Hey, /g/
I found a local place near me with some great looking open box values on Mobo's. Is that reliable? If so, is it worth going from a b350 to a x370? Price would be about the same.

>>60891618
>much lower
Remember to not OC K series Intel chips!

Which Ryzen is the best for gaming?

>>60891653
I thought that was the who point of the k chips? Is there currently a problem with OCing them?

>>60891517
A big advantage of Amazon.de is the free shipping to Finland. ebay isn't used here, I imagine the shipping costs would end up making it too expensive to be worth it. I might also have to pay VAT when importing compared to Amazon where it's paid up front. I'll take a look though, I hadn't considered it and the 970 definitely looks better.
Locally, cheapest used 970 I could find is 170€ and for 1050 ti 160€. The cheapest one on Amazon is 10€ cheaper and 90 MHz slower so I figure it's worth it.

>>60891667
Straight up gaming? Probably the 1600. Go with the X if you don't feel like overclocking. Bigger is better, of course, but higher series focus more on multitasking/productivity, so it might not be worth the cost

>>60891618
Is more reliable well around and future proof cpu, even if it has slower clocks it performs almost the same with the i7 7700 on most games from the benchmarks that I've seen, and that's the reason I'm going with the ryzen build

>>60891692
Alright, thanks for the straight-forward reply. I don't plan to do anything like video editing or streaming, just general use and gaming. So yeah.

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>>60891667
>buying AMD rubbish
>ever

what would be a fair price to sell a barely used r9 390x on craigslist or ebay?

>>60891679
Yes. Shitty thermal paste. That's why Intel is a laughing stock since weeks.

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>>60891706
End yourself.

thoughts on the msi b350 mortar arctic motherboard?

>>60891700
I see, any worries about when it's time to upgrade though as AMD processors seem to not hold their value very well?

>>60891684
If you get free shipping that's ok I guess. I was going to suggest mindfactory for generally lower prices but I just checked and shipping to finland is 20€.
Also yeah, 170 for a used 970 sounds like a bad idea.

>>60891747
Should be one of the better mATX board and looks nice. Pretty expensive though.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/mJsTTH

Thoughts?

>>60891862
If the ONLY thing you ever do is gaming, perfectly fine.
If you do anything else though, switch to AMD Ryzen

>>60891862
You could save a lot on the cpu and mb by switching to amd.

>>60891862
>7700k
You will regret this purchase within a year's time unless you absolutely require high end 144Hz gaming right the fuck now.

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>>60890765
It looks like the same exact fan and shit.
If it is, maybe it'll cool better on the lower power 1060. But I'd really try and get a decent model.

Fuck MSI. Fuck Gigabyte.
I got these Gigabyte 1070 with three fucking fans. The G1 model. Yeah it's mostly quiet, but it still has this chopping noise that makes it sound louder than it really is.
That's the thing with dB measurements, they don't account for pitch or the smoothness to the sound. Like these Cryorig fans are a bit louder than I'd like, but the noise is like a gentle breeze so it's not annoying like these MSI and Gigabyte fans.

And fuck MSI for their stupid ass board that doesn't have labels. The manual doesn't list which connector is for the CPU fan either. I had to guess, but I hate guessing with that shit when it should be clearly labeled.

I've been getting so much different hardware and I'm so pissed off at how shitty everything is. Maybe I should do youtube reviews at some point. Almost no one would send me anything because I'll shit on 90% of this low quality overpriced junk, but whatever I can buy it myself.

At least one good thing I got is this Seagate Barracuda 2TB laptop size (2"?) HDD. When it does make noise, it's not nearly as bad as some other HDDs. But most of the time, even during installs and stuff, it's completely quiet.

>>60890818
$280 for a 1060 is way too much. Is there no decent model ~$230 or less?
Try and call locally to find an RX570 or RX580 imo.
You could really get a cheaper PSU too like the 550RM. The newer Seasonic mainstream models are all good.

Could also consider a mATX board even if your case is ATX. You're not going to use all those expansion slots and you might want to change to a smaller case at some point.

>>60891129
1400 OC'd but 1500X or 1600 OC'd would be better.

>>60891160
Not even 2 1080Ti consistently keeps above 60fps in 4K due to SLI sometimes not scaling well and because Nvidia's architecture just doesn't scale to higher resolutions as well as GCN.
Vega MIGHT, at least in newer games. You might want to upgrade to a 4790k, too.

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i need help to choose a cooler for my ryzen 1700. i plan to oc it to 3.9/3.8ghz. i got 2 choices, Hyper 212 LED Turbo (2 fans) or CM Liquid Lite 120. Price differences in my country is 12usd.

Current build - i5 3570k 16GB ram GTX1070

What processor should I upgrade to? 1600 or 7700k?

>>60892238
Tough choice because they're both shit
Go for the one that's cheaper. They'll cool roughly the same at below 1.35V

>>60892293
1600. The 7700k is only good if you only game and was a stable 144 fp in games. The 1600 does perform worse in games but it isn't a huge trade off. It's 20 FPS at absolute most.

>>60892238
>cooling lines ribbed for her pleasure

>>60892317
It's such a shame that AMD hasn't released a server-version of Ryzen yet. I'm stuck buying a E3-1240 v6 because there's nothing AMD has yet that can compare to its higher clock speeds and full ECC support.

>>60892317
What do you mean only game?

I like to be able to stream or watch a stream/video/music while I play but with something like PUBG with even a single Chrome tab opened my CPU gets tapped out. I kinda care about 144fps+ also because I do have a 144hz monitor and play a fair amount of CSGO and other shooters.

Still sounds like the 1600 is the way to go though.

>>60892341
>It's such a shame that AMD hasn't released a server-version of Ryzen yet.
It's called Epyc

>>60892317
Why everyone brings this up when you literally can't bottleneck the cpu on 1080p and even if you did it's around 200 fps. You can get a cpu from a previous generation from gaming.

The graphics card market is absolutely fucking insane right now. There are no good deals right now on anything. It's almost fucked up enough that I don't recommend buying anything at this point in time.

I am literally going to sell my used 1 year old 380x (which itself is almost a 2 year old GPU) for maybe $30 more than I bought it for.

>>60892350
I meant on the AM4 platform
EPYC's not even out yet.

>>60892315
but i had no choice, there are still many coolers out there that are not AM4 compatible.

>>60892332
huh?

>>60892351
I play on a 1080p 144hz monitor and have no plans to go to an ultrawide or 4k so ur def sellin me on this 1600 desu.

>>60892346
>I like to be able to stream or watch a stream/video/music while I play but with something like PUBG with even a single Chrome tab opened my CPU gets tapped out.
Even an i7 7700k will hit 100% CPU usage in games since most games are designed for 8 thread CPUs. The 1600 has almost identical performance, especially when overclocked, but can do so much more with 2 extra cores and 4 extra threads. It's the better bang for the buck.

>>60892358
>huh?
Do the coolant lines on that AIO not remind you of condoms "ribbed for her pleasure"?

>>60892357
The AM4 socket is already the maximum size of a full Ryzen 7 dual module chip. Threadripper is coming soon(tm) but the socket is fuckhuge.

>>6089048
580 is too expensive for its gaming perf

>>60892378
I mean I would much rather prefer to pay $400 for an EPYC 6-core CPU on the AM4 socket over the $500+ 10-core CPU that's launching on the TR4. I have little need for 4 memory channels and 64 PCIe lanes, just more faster cores with unbuffered ECC DIMMs.

>>60892421
Can't you just preorder graphics cards? How can the dwarfs buy up all? They run scripts for internet buying?

>>60892424
Well, not sure what to tell you other than you aren't in any of AMD's target demos for Zen since they're clearly targeting datacenter-tier computing with these massive server chips.

Sounds like you should be looking forward to some sweet deals on off lease 2011v3 CPUs though. Prices on them have to start tanking soon with X299/X399 right around the corner.

>tfw waiting for ryzen mitx

>>60892510
>off lease 2011v3 CPUs
They use too much power and give off too much heat to be easily managed in a 2U chassis. 65W is perfect for my needs.

>>60892514
http://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?ID=3625

Should I get,
>Corsair Vengeance LPX
or
>G.Skill Ripjaws V
For a Gigabyte Pro Gaming 3 with an R5 1600? I plan on getting them at 2666mhz. Finding RAM for Ryzen is such a fucking pain, I don't want to find myself not being able to boot my PC or some shit.

Also, aside from the obvious differences, are the Gigabyte Pro Gaming 3 ATX and mATX the same? Do they both have the dual bios setup, etc?

>>60890383
Anybody have any recent benchmarks and sources for Intel vs AMD?

I'm trying to convince others that AMD isn't shit, but they think that Intel is a superior choice.

Also, is Intel's shit really housefire-tier? Any proofs?

And what's this about delliding?

>>60892671
Intel is the superior choice, but it's way overpriced compared to AMD's solutions
You get 10% better performance AT BEST thanks to higher clock speeds, but you pay double for that advantage.

Intel is stronger overall, but you're paying a hefty premium (aka Jew tax) for the privilege of owning one. It's like comparing a Ford Mustang to a C-Class AMG Black.

>>60891899
>>60891890
>>60891879

It's not purely for gaming. Also going to be for Entertainment/general work purposes; but I want a setup that I can game on and that will last me several years.

Any additional comments on why the 7700k would be regrettable?

>>60892848
>Any additional comments on why the 7700k would be regrettable?
4 core, 8 thread CPUs are on their deathbed. They will run at 100% CPU usage in many games, if briefly. What they can do has pretty much been maximized and future games will need more processing power.
The i7 7700k is also on an outdated LGA1151 socket that's going to be killed off soon, and has no upgrade path.
The Ryzen 5 1600 had 6 cores and 12 threads, so it's much more futureproof since upcoming games will be able to take advantage of its architecture. On top of that, the AM4 socket is a recent platform that AMD isn't replacing until 2020. Not only that, but there's very little, performance-wise, between the 1600 and the 7700k. But the 1600 can still be upgraded. A new came come out that maximizes the 6 cores and 12 threads? You can upgrade to an 8 core, 16 thread Ryzen 7 1700, 1700X or 1800X processor. And there's better versions coming.

>>60892929
>And there's better versions coming.
A 12 core/24 thread with higher clock speeds (jumps from ~3.5GHz base clock on a 6-core to a solid 4.0GHz or higher), better IPC (probably not any more than 7% for most workloads), and still AM4 compatible.

>>60892967
Source?

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>>60892980
How else is AMD going to meet their promise of a 48-core EPYC CPU if they don't have 12 cores per die? They can't cram another die inside the package.

And this https://www.globalfoundries.com/sites/default/files/product-briefs/7lp-product-brief.pdf
(from GloFo's 7nm product brief)

are there any cases similar to silverstone's FT03B-MINI that aren't $100+? kinda digging the skinny tower look

alternatives to samsung 960pro/evo (sata)?

>>60893014
>60% power reduction
Does this mean we will get desktop performance laptop and tablet processors? Pretty exciting stuff.

>>60893103
That's "up to 60%", which means depending on what's being made using that process, we can see power consumption go down by that much. A quad-core ARM processor that has the power of a last gen eight-core? That's at least half of the juice needed to accomplish the same task. I highly doubt we'll see such gains on any desktop or laptop-bound processor, but even a 20% reduction is a huge welcome where Intel seems to be struggling to get more than 10% reductions even with a smaller process node.

>>60892929
Bullshit. i5 will be useable for gaming in the foreseeable future. It is only a bottleneck at low resolution which also happens to Ryzen at the moment.
Hey I like Ryzen and AMD but I notice the absolute fearmongering in these threads recently about how the current i7 has been maximized and future games will need more "processing power". Bull fucking shit. 99% of the games out there are still GPU bottlenecked. Even on the 1080ti, games are bottlenecked by the GPU first. Only in certain situations in 1080p and 144hz does the CPU get bottlenecked first. Please stop this senseless nonsense.

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Pls someone recommend me a fan controller.

I've run out of motherboard headers and all I need to be able to do is control two (of the same make/model) fans. I just need to be able to use a thermal probe thing, set the temperature they'll come on at, the speed at which they'll spin when they do come on, and thats it.

What do I buy?

>/v/ and /g/ claims building a gaming pc is cheaper than getting a console
>cheapest 1080 is nearly $500
Really gets my noggin jogging

>>60893251
1080 outperforms a console by a mile

>>60892317
Keyw ord is IF

It's not like the 7700k does 144fps in every game, either. The ones it does, the 1600 overclocked generally does the same

>>60892351
The 1080Ti overclocked a bit bottlenecks the 7700k in plenty of newer games.
Assassins Creed Syndicate, for example.
Battlefield 1.
And it doesn't reach 144fps minimum in either of them while it's the bottleneck.

>>60892424
Epyc stock clocks are lower for efficiency.
You mean you're waiting for IBM 7nm process which is reported to be 4Ghz+ stock and should be here in a year or two.

>>60892635
The feature list tells you if it supports it. Yes, they are the same besides the PCI slots.

>>60893014
With smaller dies they could fit 6... but yes I think they'll be moving to 6 cores per CCX.
I don't see a 6 core APU on their roadmap, though, which hints against this.

>>60893251
GTX 1080 is ~7-12 times more powerful than the Xbone. Still at least 2x more powerful than the Xbonex.

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Just had to file a RMA for my dead Zotac 1070 Mini.

What am I in for?

>>60893251
A GTX 1060 6GB or RX 580(good luck finding one) outperforms the Xbox One X gpu, pair that with the Intel Pentium G4560 cpu which destroys that pocket calculator cpu the new consoles have.

>>60893351
And yet MS claims it can do TRUE 4k. I wonder how they are going to live up to that lie.

>>60893360
console optimization

>>60893363
You mean downgrading all the graphic options?

>>60893360
>>60893363
The 1060 6GB and RX 580 8GB can do 4k at low to medium settings.

>>60893397
4k@60fps?

>>60893420
low to medium settings without anti-aliasing(don't needed at 4k that much)

>>60892238
Are you sure you don't have other choices?
Cryorig H7/C1?
Thermaltake Le Grande Macho?
Does Scythe make one?
Because those are fucking garbage options. Either will work fine, but it may be loud.

>>60892293
If you were considering 7700k money, why not get the 1600X?
Yeah it might only OC about the same compared to someone that got a lucky 1600 bin, or 50MHz more, but you don't even have to OC it and you were probably going to buy a different cooler anyway.

>>60893360
I'm a graphics programmer. I can get my phone to output 3d games in 4K. It's all relative.
The performance of the RX570 is enough for 4K if you specifically target that hardware. But even targetting one set of hardware, it won't look as good as Metro Exodus max settings and run at 60fps at 4K.

>>60893420
I've seen a number of games where the RX570 4GB does 4K with AA turned off at least 30fps. Dunno about 60 besides like CSGO obviously.

>>60893455
>Cryorig H7/C1?
need to ask cryorig themselves for the bracket AFTER purchasing the cooler which is idk when will arrive

>Thermaltake Le Grande Macho?
distributor only bring the high end rgb watercooler

>Scythe
dead market here

that said, even the Noctua am4 version didn't arrive yet in here. sad.

Are SSDs really that important? How does it help shitposting/gaming? I have the money, but I'd rather get another HDD

>>60893772
SSD is a huge improvement on loading speeding

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>How many levels of cancer are you on kiddo.

>>60893794
more like how many levels of stale pasta are you on right now onii-sama

>>60893772
Photoshop loads under 1 second.
Firefox loads under 1 second.
Fucking everything loads under 1 second except for videogames.
What takes 30 seconds in a videogame to load takes 2 seconds if not less.
PC cold boots in 5 seconds.

zcash mining profitability about to surpass ethereum

Buy your 1080Tis while you still can poorkiddos xd

Decent WiFi adapters? (can't use cable right nkw)

Are the Corsair PSU that bad? They're cheap over Amazon.

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how does /g/ feel about the sentry? are there any cases like it...? i want to build my pc for the first time but i can't have anything big or with the ugly ~gamer~ look.

>>60894132
That is an even bigger bubble

>>60894242
DiabloTek PSU are the best

>>60894242
Yes. Cheap corsairs are fucking garbage. Don't look at any Corsair models under $100.

Under $100 you should primarily be looking at Seasonic. But EVGA and Rosewill can be good (and can be bad).

>>60894451
Who cares. I just convert the shit to BTC immediately for stability. Fucking dumbasses.
It's this sort of thinking that keeps you guys poor.

>>60893794
>the anonymous user of redditt
I was so fucking enraged.

>>60894455
"blo" being the operative verb.

PSU's should be chosen on a case-by-case basis, not per brand (excepting blowupTek as the exception).

Only retards brandwhore.

Been trying to do a budget build, for long term use, I will slowly upgrade different parts over time but for now I think this is a good start? I won't be ordering it for a few weeks and should I be able to pick up a cheap 1060 or RX570 I'll upgrade the GPU. I'm happy that playing Overwatch or CSGO this will do the job.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZtGxqk

Any opinions would be great

>>60895073
>1 dimm of RAM

>>60895073
>>60895180

8 gigs of ram is just fine. Though you might want to spend some more on youjr CPU, try to get a ryzen since you'll be keeping those for a long amount of time

My Pc's a shit fx6300 + 960, in need of an upgrade.

Is now a good time for building a new PC or are their major graphics card and CPU refreshes imminent? Not looking at building more than a budget mid ranger, £550 or so.

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>>60895198
>1x8gb
>not 2x4gb
>'fine'

Did you just get off the bus from dumbtown, kid? Don't ever post in my thread again.

>>60895233
Why is this bad?

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>>60895279
Because it doesn't save you any money, makes you look like a fool in /pcbg/ threads, and is slower.

Google dual-channel memory.

>>60895338
Cheers

How many case fans can I connect to one 4/3-pin header on motherboard? I'd like to connect 4/5 fans to it (3 intake front, 1 intake side and 1 exhaust back). However my motherboard has only 1x 4-pin and 1x 3-pin. I'd like to connect all of them to 4-pin because of PWM.

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>>60892355
True, true. I'm running on integrated because the prices just aren't right now. I don't know what it is - miners? Shortages because manufacturers are busy with Vega? Fucking 1050ti are getting more expensive. What the fuck?

>>60895231
I'd wait a bit for the low end Ryzen CPUs.

>>60895438
Usually two is plenty safe unless you're running 5400rpm delta fans or some shit.

You can run three at a push if you check the amps the fan is said to pull on the box, so long as three doesn't exceed one amp (i.e. 3x 0.32A fans) you're probably fine.

If it were me I'd just run one of your three intakes (probably the lowest one down) off a molex/sata connector and undervolt it so it doesn't make much noise. That or just don't bother with a side intake. Unless you're running SLI or some shit 5 fans isn't going to help much over 4.

>>60895469

Aren't they kinda crappy for gaming compared to low-mid intels?

>>60895544
We don't know, they're not out yet. I hope that AMD can deliver something at least slightly better than g4560 for a similar $$.

>>60895073
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZtGxqk
This is better for your use case: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jVMwvV
PSU is more than enough for a G4560 based build, case is better suited for mATX, stock cooler is enough for a Pentium but if you want a better one get the Cryorig M9 for $19.99.
It's overall cheaper but with a 240GB SSD. You could skip the SSD for a 1060 3G, your decision. For the keyboard, ask /csg/ about chink mechanical keyboards, some are really nice and cost only $30.

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Alright!
Back to the PC /g/ was building!
What are your suggestions for upgrades?
I was thinking CPU or Case.
Antec DF-35 DarkFleet Case is the case. BTW both side panels are missing.

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>>60895947

why are there so little good B350 boards?
by good i mean the vrms and stuff like alc1220 audio and intel nic
there are literally two good ones:
msi b350 gaming pro carbon and the b350-f strix gaming from asus
I'd go with asrock but they have nothing to compete

which z270 board under 150 has the best audio?

>>60896056
Read reviews. Generally the audio should be fairly equal on all since all use ALC1150 or ALC1220 or at least i think so. Both are excellent onboard solutions but neither is as good as a dedicated AMP/DAC combo.

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Building a new PC, I want to be able to play the new Doom and Dishonored 2 at 120-144fps 1080p. Is this a good monitor for it?

2GB cards are worthless for miners, right? Need I worry about the RX 560 2GB going out of stock?

>>60896296
It is a rubbish display with poor image quality and pixel transition times. It is second only to the VG248QE for the worst possible HFR display you could buy in 2017.

For 1080p 24" 144hz displays, the only current worthwhile options are the Viewsonic XG2401 (TN, decent image quality, good pixel transition metrics, Freesync, no backlight strobing) and the Samsung C24FG70 (VA, good image quality, good pixel transition metrics albeit slightly worse than the XG2401's TN panel, Freesync and backlight strobing).

>>60896515
I should also add that the C24FG70 is currently a silly buy as the cheaper successor, the C24FG73, is about to replace it.

If you were to sell a GTX 660, how much would you charge for it?

>>60896529
>curved

>>60896556
That's the unfortunate downside of the display, but it's still the best in its class in every other way. If you hate curved get the XG2401.

I feel like I rarely see case fans discussed here.
I'm looking to upgrade from the stock fans that came in my Corsair 200r.
Thinking 2 Noctua NF-P12 or Corsair ML120's for the intake and 2 AF120 for exhaust. Solid options or should I look into anything else?

>>60896543
$20

>>60896577
Noctua AF if you feel like spending money or Be Quiet Pure Wings 2 if you prefer value.

>>60896577
Corsair fans are fucking garbage. Get the Noctuas obviously.

Only fan brands off the top of my head worth considering are Noctua, Noiseblocker, Scythe and Bequiet. Everything else is cheap rattly junk.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/LCbCWX
Some questions:
1)Will I need more fans than stock HAF X has? I can add additional 1 x 200mm, 1 x 120mm and 1x80mm, but is it worth it? What if I add a 3rd RX 580 for a 3-way Crossfire?

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Okay I have all the parts ready to buy in my amazon basket

Any improvements?

I'm building it for gaming and browsing, film etc, don't really do any editing or shit

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/5678321/saved/RNp6hM

>>60896662
>7700k
You do understand that you will not benefit from it, right?

>>60896672
suggest me a better one

>inb4 ryzen

>>60896691
Nevermind then, if you're willing to waste money on things that you don't benefit from then sure do so because you clearly seem to know better than me

>>60896638
I think you're late to the mining party.

>>60896606
They have pure wings 3 now fám, although I can't say I'm dissatisfied with the pw2 on my pure rock.

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>>60896704
SUGGEST

Assume I have a gun to my head and not making a choice now isn't an option. 4k60fps or 1440p100+fps monitor with a 1080ti? I know it can only just about manage 4k, but I may upgrade later and if volta or whatever can comfortably manage 4k I don't want to be stuck with a lower resolution monitor. I also don't play that many competitive games so I'm not pushed about higher refresh rates.

>>60896515
>>60896529
Those are made for AMD freesync, I'm getting an Nvidia card. Which monitor is best for the Gsync option?

>>60896722
i suggest you eat a dick

>>60896718
>pure wings 3
No they don't. Those are Silent Wings 3 which are more expensive to they point where i actually prefer to go Noctua. That is unless they have announced a new revision which isn't listed on their website.

>>60896691
>>60896722
7700K will give you roughly 5-10% higher max FPS, 1700 will give you better or more stable frame times (according to reviews) and will last you much longer since it has double the cores which aren't being used 100% unlike the 7700K that can reach 100% usage.
Your choices: 7700K if you're a good goy and muh 5 FPS higher max FPS is all that matters, otherwise 1700 or even 1600 is a better and more sensible choice.

>>60896606
The AF seem like overkill for what I'm gonna be doing, hoping to keep everything quiet. Are the PF not recommended or are the AF still pretty quiet?

>>60896604
20 dollars seems a little cheap, but thanks for the input, anon.

>>60896767
Problem is that he's getting a 100hz screen with a 7700k when any CPU can do 100hz fine so he's wasting his money on it

>>60896767
look at the benchmarks tho

7700k gets like 30fps more in most games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDvk9_iTq6Y

i hope that fucking etherium crashes so all the fags can start selling their rx580 for dirt cheap

>>60896715
I tend to disagree...

Does anyone know when this mining craze will stop?

Also, when do GPU manufactures ship new GPUs again?
I am sure there are certain dates, because almost all GPUs haven't been in stock for about 2 weeks now.

>>60896956
>Does anyone know when this mining craze will stop?
If ANYONE knew when it was going to stop, they'd put all their money into etherium and then pull out the exact moment it stops.

All I can tell you is that it will stop when the currencies crash again. It will happen, probably before 2018.

>>60896847
>7700k gets like 30fps more in most games
Yeah no. "30 fps most games" is simply wrong. It's usually less than 30 fps in most games, look at benchmarks such as from Hardware Unboxed, that guy usually benches a ton of games and not like only 5. Also, max FPS is not everything, frame times are important, too.
Your benchmark is from march, a lot has changed since then. Especially if we look at Rise of the Tomb Raider. See: https://youtu.be/wNmZTANvNyc
That game performed badly on Ryzen just a few month back while after the most recent update it performs much better. So the problem isn't Ryzen, it never was.
The problem is shit optimization by game devs. Now, since Ryzen is out and extremely successful game devs will optimize for Ryzen so that such issues are much less likely to occur. Good optimization and double the amount of cores makes Ryzen a much better choice than anything Intel offers right now.
Buying a 7700K now is a retarded waste of money, even if you only play games.

Why the hell each and every affordable GPU literally evaporating from shelves within an hour?
570/4 - gone
580/8 - nope
1060/3 - not today
1050ti - go fuck yourself with a cactus
What the fuck is going on?

>>60897047
Miners

Those fuckers buy up all the GPUs.
First the AMD GPUs, and now even Nvidia GPUs.

I cannot finish my build thus.

>>60897047
>What the fuck is going on?
minders

>>60897110
>>60897113
What is a miner? I'm not really that savvy with tech terms.

>>60897047
>580/570
Miners
>1060
People who want to buy the 580/570 but can't find one.
>1050 Ti
People who can't find any of the above and can't afford to go up to the 1070.

The 1070 is disappearing too.

>>60897129
Trump gave coal-mining jobs to everyone

And now they buy all the videocards they want

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>>60897129
But with graphic cards

why are people suggesting the 7700k over the superior thermals of the 6700k?

>>60897153
>>60897169
I have a feeling you are not being 100% serious in your replies.

>>60897184

Just watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhLVELIXjs0

REEEEE

Why don't GPU manufactures increase their production?

>>60897183
>superior thermals
Only because of the lower clocks, underclock a 7700k and you have the same thing

>amd shills pushing really hard their low tier 6 core cpu over the 7700k
>everyone is an amd fanboy now
>doesn't tell people about the issues with motherboards and ram overclocking.
>muh future proof

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>had to buy a fucking 1080 because of miners

>>60897223
Who are you quoting?

Bought a MSI 1060 6gb for around $240 earlier this summer. At this rate, would I be able to sell it for profit?

Niggers , if a 7700k fit your needs right now. You should get it, if you want higher fps. No such thing as future proof. It would take at least 3 years to see a new cpu line from amd and intel.

>>60897295
>It would take at least 3 years to see a new cpu line from amd and intel.
What?

>>60897129
basically, people use a specific computer setup to do complex calculations, known as mining. When a calculation is complete, they are rewarded with a crypto-currency, like bitcoin, which can be converted into actual cash or spent on certain places online.
Mining goes a lot faster with a GPU, and AMD GPU's are the best at it.
So when exchange rates make crypto-mining extremely profitable, ll the AMD cards disappear everywhere and those that ARE around are sold for inflated prices.
For example. Normally an AMD Radeon RX 580 4GB graphics card will be around $200.
Due to crypto miners, you'll see them for $360, and I've seen them going for ~$700.

I heard the Kepler cards have aged not so well.

But, what's the maximum price you would pay for a used 770?
i currently have a 270 and got an offer for 90€

>>60897298
Cpu lineup, my negro

>>60897319
Keep the 270.

>>60897319
I bought a 770 2 years ago for 150 shekels. Nowadays those cards are 50 shekels max

>>60897314
You can get them for 200ish Euro if you don't mind waiting and ordering before they are in stock. Also, this presents you with an opportunity of securing supplies for miners. In fact, the biggest fortunes during the gold rush were made by people selling mining equipment ;D

>>60897322
what do you mean by "new"?

>>60897372
7nm cpus

>>60897394
GloFo's seen some major advancements with 7nm though
>In fact, today (13/06), Globalfoundries is announcing that their 7LP (Leading-Performance) process and FX-7 ASIC platform are available today for partners to start planning to utilize with design kits.
I wouldn't be surprised if AMD managed to get something out with it before 2020.

>>60897223
>issues with motherboards and ram overclocking
Which is gone with AGESA update.
>muh future proof
Have fun with your quad core after games are fully optimized in 1-2 years.

>>60897511
i used to hear the same thing when the fx cpus were coming out like 6 years ago

>>60897532
too bad quad core quad threads are already shit

Are all Ryzen 3 gonna be 4c/4t?

>>60897592
so far, it seems that way

>>60897592
Most likely yes, you're not gonna see a 4c8t when the 1400 & 1500x already occupy that spot in the R5.
Doubt they can do 3c6t because of how symmetry is important in the CCX design, and 2c4t would get it's ass handed to it by the g4560 so it would need to be very very cheap and only for hard budget builds.

>>60897532
>like 6 years ago
This is 2017 and games are already being optimized. Guess what's gonna happen in 2020.

>>60897652
It would be nice to see a 2c4t at $50>.

My PC is about 5 years old, it has an i7 3770k, Intel DZ77 Motherboard and a GTX 680. I'm pretty sure the graphics card is dying. What should I upgrade it with? Budget doesn't matter, I just want the cheapest card that will run Witcher 3 on highish settings at 1080p. Should I bother upgrading the CPU as well for bottlenecking issues or anything like that? I don't care about VR or anything like that. No preference between AMD and Nvidia.

>>60897675
Get RX 570 or 580. The 580 would allow you to run witcher 3 at ultra with +60fps most of the time, but 570 is not far behind it either. Overclock that 3770k and it should be good enough for a year or two.

Recently built a new pc with a 1600 and MSI b350 pc mate. I should update to the newest bios right?

Never done a bios update before.

>>60897675
3770k is still a respectable processor, there's better stuff out there but for 1080p it should be fine for now.

The problem is that the midrange video cards are absolutely fucked right now. Look up a few posts and see why everything from the GTX 1050 Ti to the GTX 1070s are being bought up by people who can't find an AMD card or have sold their AMD card to miners.

Look for an RX 580/570 if you can, but absolutely do not pay more than $20 above MSRP. Look for a GTX 1060 6GB. After that unless you want to get a GTX 1070, I would recommend you start looking at the used market. Go Nvidia, as AMD's older 290/x, 390/x, and even their HD 7990s are being bought up by miners.

Look for used GTX 980 and 980 Tis. Recommend avoiding anything with less than 4GB of VRAM. This includes the 700 Series and the GTX 970. Recommend that you stay away from any of the Titan cards as they've kept their value due to their higher than normal VRAM.

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>>60897511
>Phenom 6 cores gets released
>Just wait until they optimize their games
>more cores more futureproof
>Just wait you will see
>Bulldozer gets released
>Just wait until they optimize their games
>Just wait few more years
>Just wait guys, you'll see my 8 cores will be optimized.
>Ryzen gets released
>Just wait a few more years I promise

R8 my build. I'll mostly be playing csgo and osu on it. But i would like to play newer games occasionally as well. there anything I should change? I would like to spend less if possible.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Ayz/saved/XXzHxr

>>60897833
>GTX 980
Man at those prices I'd rather just buy an Xbox One. I prefer PC gaming obvio but it fits my needs better since I'll be able to take it to and from my dorm/house. Only thing that'll suck is having to rebuy games.

On a related note, how can I tell if my card is actually dying? I keep getting screen corruption in all my games where uneven black lines/shapes flash on the screen, even at lowest settings on things like League of Legends. Light games like LoL run at max settings at high fps, but I get that screen corruption which is hard to describe (It isn't like even coloured shapes like artifacting or screen tearing) Heavier games like Bioshock, GTA, Witcher either refuse to start, or run for a few minutes until I get the "Driver crashed and recovered error," or I get a black screen (but audio works) and it crashes to desktop.

I've tried updating drivers, removing old drivers and reverting to an older version of the drivers, cleaning my PC in case its dusty, reseating the graphics card in PCI slot, editing registry for TDR. Usually when it crashes in the Witcher etc. its at around 84C, with fan at 64%. Is that normal? But I get screen corruption even at lowest settings at League of Legends. Is it worth getting a new power supply in case that's the issue?

>>60897934
Saved about $200 by buying r5 1600 instead of i5 with similar performance. How is that bad?

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>>60897934
>Phenom 6 cores gets released
This is 2017, retard. Your argument is invalid.
>Just wait until they optimize their games
Games are already being optimized, your argument is invalid.
>more cores more futureproof
Yes it is. This also counts for Intel, just compare 2500K and 2600K. Your argument is invalid.
>Just wait you will see
Compare day zero benchmarks and current ones and you will see this is true. Your argument is invalid.
>Just wait a few more years I promise
Again. You can already see improvement. Your argument is invalid.

Go back to shilling your shit Kelvin Lake and shitposting on >>>/v/ you autistic retard.

There is a motherboard that has AM4 socket and supports ddr3 RAM?

>>60898127
No? Even excavator AM4 CPUs aren't DDR3.

>>60897957
Please? I don't want to waste money on something that isn't good.

>>60897957
Get 8gb's of ram that's faster, Ryzen benefits from it, and 16 is probably overkill.
An ssd would make everything run faster.

Good luck finding a 580. Either wait or get a 1060 6gb or 1050ti

>>60898019
>GTX 980
Well it's only a recommendation. A GTX 780/780Ti/970 is still a respectable card. Or you could drop down a few tiers and get a GTX 770/960. Those will do 1080p, but not optimally.

Unless you can get an Xbox1+games+online (if you use that) for less than $200 I would tell you to stick with the PC.

Your situation does make things a bit different though. This is where I'd tell you to get a laptop, but those are even more expensive. If you can find one hell of a deal then go with the Xbox. Sometimes people sell lots with the console and games for cheap.

Just in case, reinstall windows on a fresh drive. I've had weird stuff happen when my hard drive got a bad sector and corrupted some stuff.

But yeah, if the PC itself doesn't restart but you still get weird errors when you're taxing the graphics card then it's probably that.

84c does sound a bit toasty, but nvidia's thermal limits are set to 105c so you're well within those limits.

>>60898182
>https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Ayz/saved/XXzHxr
Maybe get 8GB RAM, cut the Optical drive and bump up the graphics card?

>>60898241
>playing CS GO and osu! on it
Do you understand that he'll get 300+ FPS on that regardless and that spending $50 more or even $10 more on memory is a complete, total waste of money?
No, he wouldn't benefit from it when he'll constantly be over his screen's refresh rate, stop recommending people to waste money on benefits they do not see

>>60898087
>no getting a 7700k for better performance and about the same price as 1600x

>>60898091
>Just wait ©

>>60898285
In what world is the 7700k "about the same price" than a 1600x?

>>60898285
You mean $500 more, sorry but I can't afford it. If I could sure I would go with 7700k

Which good external HDD at 3TB does /g/ recommend?

>>60898244
I don't think it's the hardware though, or at least I don't think it's the graphics card. I tried running furmark and the card is pushing 87-88C and above with no crashing (though it gets the same type of screen corruption)

>>60898303
>gets btfo
>answers with a meme
Nice autism, shill. Intel must be really worried with that amount of shilling and the rushed X299 release which gets shit on from all reviewers.

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>>60898364
They rushed it and yet still aren't able to get the 12+ cores parts out before threadripper

>>60898327
>2.5" small portable?
none particularly
>external as 3.5" that will sit in a corner in a room?
hitachi or wd red, in to NAS box

>>60898364
>>60898401
>x299
>implying anyone is going to buy that failed meme

>>60898409
You'd be surprised how many stupid people there are

>>60898409
That's just how Intel rolls. They price the absolute high end insanely high so that they make money off of the few people that do buy it. Then they send free "samples" to all of the tech youtubers and streamers and whatnot so that the tard masses confuse "Intel=absolute best at high end" with "Intel=absolute best."

Then they make money off of the tards buying overpriced consumer chips.

Will an i7 4770 bottleneck Rx Vega? I wanted to get a GPU for 1080p 144hz max settings but I'm waiting for Rx Vega. Upgrading the rest of the system is not an option since I can still get 160-200 FPS in games if I turn down the graphics quality, which Id rather not

>>60898540
>144hz
yes

>>60898540
unlikely in any meaningful way

but waiting for vega seems rather retarded
everything hints to it being rather underwhelming release

>>60898567
>nvidia shill on the run

>>60898636
wait, you think amd used two vegas in crossfire to show some gameplay on some recent event because vega will put gtx1080ti to shame?

also even if it was great, miners will eat it up.
so its retarded to wait.

Can anyone suggest some good, cheap 120mm case fans? I got a good deal on a case, but it doesn't have as many as I'd like.

>>60898670
how much does it have?
you usually don't want to have a lot of fans because it's very easy to mess up airflow

>>60898691
Just 1 in the front. I'd like to add an intake and exhaust fan to increase air flow, which was suggested by some of the reviews.

I'm still conflicted on what cpu cooler to get.
I was thinking about an aio but the what-if of it failing and getting water everywhere is in the back of my mind.
If I were to get one, which would be the safest and provide the best performance?
Saw a thermaltake one that allowed for three fans on it so I was thinking that one, but if there's any others I should look at I'm all ears.

>>60898711
I don't know your case and the fans on it but I always try to run it on a higher internal pressure compared to the outsire meaning more fans going in than out. If you only have rear and top fans sucking the air out the flow can be nice put you're pulling dust through all the tiny and not so tiny gaps of your case. The other ways round you can just have 1-2 fron/bottom fans with dust covers and never have to worry about dust.
just another thing to consider with cooling.

I have a question for those discerning amd individuals. I'm putting together a build and am looking at either the Gigabyte Gaming K7 or the Asrock Taichi. I can get the Taichi from NE for 194 + shipping, but I can get the Gigabyte K7 from Amazon for 184 + tax. Which would you choose at those 2 prices and is one much better for overclocking than the other and do the additional power phases on the taichi make a difference compared to the K7?

I can get the K7 at that price because I have a $25 giftcard.

>>60898670
depends on country
gelid are cheap here in europe while quiet and last long

>>60898808
I'm no expert, but I have heard very good things about the taichi.

>>60898737
Thanks for the input.

How's this look? It's a great deal, as long as the fans are good.
https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16835103052

I have an i5-4440. It still runs most games fine.

Should I upgrade to an R5 1600 or 1700 for the hell of it?

>>60898182
>>60898241
Ok thanks I'll change it a bit

>>60898856
yes

Can someone redpill me on Lightboosting? Does it conflict with DSR/G-Sync?

Should I get RM550x or RM650x for silence? The fan kicks in a bit later on the 650. Would it ever even turn on on gaming load (7600K + 1070)? Is it bad if it won't?

Jesus fuck, not even the RX 560s are available.

>>60898856
no
>for the hell of it
yes

>>60898924
I got RM550x (w/ i5 4460 and rx 480) and the fan never spins. Even if it spun I doubt I'd hear it underneath the graphics card fan.

What is the best MATX board for under 85 dollars

Have SSD prices increased over the past year? Looking for one for my desktop and prices seem up since I bought one over the winter.

>>60898936
Don't worry in a few months you can get used cards on Amazon and eBay for really cheep.

>>60898924
550W is so much enough it hurts

I have power consumption meter
one OCed i5 6600k and gtx1060
never reaches 200W, usually around 120W, maxing on some games at around 180W

and thats intake wattage... you at worst will be maxing at 250W

>>60898992
Memory module prices have gone up and that affects SSDs as well.

>>60898333
Please respond.

>>60898992
yes they did
notebook manufacturers ate lot of cappacity as more budget notebooks come with SSDs

>>60899004
not reading all that shit
>define succinct

>>60898998
>few months
fuuuuuuuuuck

>>60899024
Graphics card crashing in games but not in benchmarks. Tried driver update, driver rollback, registry fix. Is it dying?

>>60899043
try reinstall of windows, or switching to win10
clean latest drivers
if its still doing then its likely the card is dying despite benches holding up

>>60899043
The benchmark program you're using might not use the card/driver/API in same way as real games do.

there's still rx 480 in my country, but which rx 480 do I buy?
is rx 580 better?

I'll just leave this here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3ssad0qZuU

>>60899297
580 is better, but it's just a refresh so it's not too different.

Get the cheapest model they've got, unless you're looking for specific features. (RGB, size, etc.)

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>>60899373
>that Ryzen bowling
>illusion update
>money not included
This is sweet.

>>60899373
>no one jokes about the jizz on the tim

See me after class.

>>60899488
>>60899488
Creating early because that guy hijacking the OP with his own links is pretty annoying

>>60899373
BitWit bringing the heat.
Should probably post this in the new thread.

>>60898842
looks okay, probably not the highest quality fans but the price is unbeatable. They are 3-connector types only though.

>>60899642
What are some good 4 pin options?

>>60899671
Honestly for a case fan the 3-pin doesn't matter much. For that price I'd just buy them and if they aren't good enough or vibrate too much you can still replace them and have all four of them as backup and for playing around.
I can't say if they are the best but I usually go to Alpenföhn or Noctua because they are always available and cheap-ish here in Germany and really high quality. The Noctua ones also ahve 6 years of warranty. I use this one in my main build:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Z7mLrH/noctua-case-fan-nfp12pwm

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>>60899948
woops wrong link, it's this one:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BgvRsY/noctua-case-fan-nfs12apwm

>>60899948
Not the original anon but thanks. I'll probably get A12 for exhaust and a P12 for intake.

> Building my own gaming PC (I want to play current gen games like BF1 and R6 after years of 10 fps on Dota 2)
> I live in the Philippines, where buying pre-built towers are almost double the original prices
> Budget is somewhere near $650 below

Here's what I have my eyes set on:
> Intel i5 6500
> Sapphire RX 480
> Asus B150M Pro Gaming
> 1TB WD Blue HDD
> G. Skill Ripjaws IV 1x8gb
> Corsair CS550M PSU

Please:
> Suggest a case (I heard vertical towers prevent the gravity pull on the motherboard)
> Suggest what should I replace
> SUGGEST HOW I COULD MAKE THIS CHEAPER BECAUSE IT REACHED $910 DOLLARS
> Priority is to play current games at 60 fps on 1080p

>>60900212
>> Intel i5 6500
why? Just grab an AMD Ryzen 5 1500X with a B350 motherboard.
Also, grab a 2x4gb kit of ram unless you plan to add a second stick of the same ram in the future.

>>60900285
what can be an alternative to the b350? i can't seem to find it on the price list i'm checking

>>60900285
nvm, I found it. Is the B350 Mortar good enough or do I have to go with the Tomahawk?

>>60900437
The mortar should be good enough.

> RX 580 4gb is cheaper than RX 480 8gb
> is this normal?
> what do?

>>60900662
Yes, it's normal, the 580 is a slightly better 480 so it's not more expensive than the 480
>what do?
For starters you stop greentexting without knowing how and when it should be used, and stop putting a fucking space after the >, this isn't reddit