/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>60862446 and everyone else
STOP LINKING TO THAT FUCKING BACKBLAZE STUDY.

retards see a single good-looking chart and think "oh this ""study"" done by a single COMPANY is absolutely 100% right and i should absolutely reject drives by seagate and wd!" and then they buy fucking REFURBISHED hitachi hdds because obviously they're just THE BEST.
educate yourself:
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6028/dispelling-backblaze-s-hdd-reliability-myth-the-real-story-covered/index.html

Country: Belgium
Purpose: 1080p gaming & coding
Used often: PyCharm, Webstorm, Photoshop
Games: Arma 3, Metro, Rainbow Siege, Battlefield 3&4, Battlegrounds, FO4 modded, Skyrim modded
Budget: €750 excluding peripherals

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cmWbHN

Also looking for a cheap 1080p 24" monitor, was thinking of this:

Liyama ProLite E2480HS-B2
https://azerty.nl/product/iiyama/903957/prolite-e2480hs-b2-led-monitor-24-

Thoughts, suggestions, compatibility issues?

Would I be stupid to buy a gt750ti today? For ~$60? It would go with a e8400 and 4gb of ram. Currently running a 4850, but I'm pretty sure it's broken since I get fucked up textures in some games(and it can't run metro last light(not the redux version either))

>>60869339
430w is pretty low, even for such power efficient parts.

>>60869339
I'd do this.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cxPnBP

>>60869382
For $60, yeah. Try to get that down by $10-$20.

>>60869448
>>60869482

Thanks for your advice.

What are the down/upsides of microATX over ATX?

I really like the BitFenix case aesthetically, unless it comes with considerable heat/compatibility issues I would prefer to stick to the nova.

What keyboards does /pcbg/ use?

>>60869636
a $10 Logitech K120 because i'm not a homo

>>60869636
Sharkoon skiller pro

It's not bad

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Here's my build that I'm planning on buying in the next few weeks; just double checking to make sure I'm not doing anything excessively stupid. I just want a cute, efficient, and reasonably powerful machine. I'll mostly be playing CPU intensive autism simulators like Paradox games, Civ 6, and Dwarf Fortress, maybe playing 5+ year old AAA games, along with a bit of video editing. I'll be doing some light to medium overclocking too, just for the fun of it.

Yes, a 1 TB NVMe drive is dumb, but I like huge amounts of storage and also like tiny components, so I'm splurging on that EVO.

Feels bad getting a 7700k but Ryzen ITX options are fucking terrible, and I'm tired of waiting for them to improve. The 1050 ti is also an iffy choice for a 1440p monitor, but I think it should be good enough for now, and I can then use the money I'm saving to buy a decent Vega GPU in a year or so.

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alri r8 my first build

will be doing it this week

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/5678321/saved/RNp6hM

should I buy i7-7700K now or will there be better cpu for bucks in near future?

>>60869898
Ryzen

>>60869898
No, nothing better for your bucks from intel in the near future. They're re-releasing it with the iGPU disabled & 100mhz higher base clock (boost identical) and yet making it cost $10 more on X299 (and those mobos will also be much more expensive)
Why do you need a 7700k?

I'm thinking of getting the 1080, but the internal graphics card power connector for my current 660 is a 6-pin PCI express power plug, while the 1080 requires a 8 pin. There's a plug among all the cables that's a sort of bisected 8-pin, with a 6-pin and a 2-pin that are meant to snap together. Is this guaranteed to work? Because the connector pattern is confusing too, the 1080 manual shows the pattern of round and square plugs that are required, but there's a different pattern in the little picture for the graphics card female slot and for the even littler picture that has a different pattern for the male pci connector, though given that the square holes are bigger than the round it could possibly fit. Anyone know anything about this shit?

>>60869927
good multi tasking but also single threaded score is very important

Man I was this close to pulling the trigger on the 1080 ti until I realised that I would need to shell out an extra $400AUD for a 1440p 144hz monitor with g-sync (as opposed to one with free sync). What a fucking joke. Anyway I'm struggling to find any info on AMDs upcoming GPUs, so my questions are as follows:

>will there be a new AMD card that will compete directly with the 1080 ti in performance at a similar price?
>are more 1440p 144hz monitors coming to the market? I can literally only find 2, one with g-sync and one with free sync.

I was ready to abandon the 'just wait a bit' meme, thinking that even if AMD released a cheaper competitor to the 1080 ti or just drove its price down, I was still happy to pay even an extra $200AUD to build my PC today. However now that I realise I will be paying minimum $400AUD extra for a monitor that can make use of the card it seems like the wait might be worth it.

Alternatively if a cheaper 1440p 144hz monitor (even without g-sync) is likely to come out later this year, I could stick with my 1080p monitor and still buy the 1080 ti today. I'd really appreciate any thoughts on this I'm starting to become overwhelmed with decision fatigue. Maybe I should get an iMac.

>>60869971
What for exactly?

>>60870004
They did a demo of the Vega card running Sniper Elite 4 in 4K and it was around 75~FPS average in the short 10 seconds they've shown. In comparison, the 1080 ti (not from the same demo so possibly different settings) was doing 1 - 2 FPS more during the same parts
So it does look like the Vega card(s) will compete with the 1080 ti. Most importantly, the card shown was not the gaming version (which means worse perormance than gaming Vega as it has higher clocks & such) so it does look pretty good

>>60869879
Strange build overall imo but you're severely bottlenecking your system with the 1500ti. Either change to a slower/cheaper CPU or get a 1060 or even a 1070 as long as they are cheap (they make those in short versions too)

in 4 weeks i should have saved enough scratch to build this (already saved £600)

nothing epic but I can't wait to designate the craptop to the bedside table

>>60870064

would help if i linked it https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/DjDxqk

>>60869883
Read the OP

>>60869934
6 and 2 pins work.
If not just look into your PSU modular cables. I am sure there is something that fits. Just don't force anything that doesn't fit in.

Planning on using my setup for video rendering and 1080p60 gaming (Jewcraft, Need for Speed, etc).

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nXJbHN

Any advice?

>>60870159
i don't think my psu is modular

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>tfw still no sleeper build features/used parts recommendations/quake machine builds

>>60870175
If i were you i'd drop the CPU cooler and up to a R7 1700
Also, $50 for two 120mm fans is absurd.

What the fuck can I use as an alternative to a RX 580? Staying within that price range.

>>60869879
>>60870052
Reading your post, for me personally I would downgrade to an i5 and go for a gtx1060 instead. I would even go a step further and not splurge so much on storage and go for a 1070, but I understand wanting to sacrifice extra budget for form factor.

>>60870182
Time to get a modular PSU. Search among the cables and look for what fits. Otherwise don't force it.

>>60870334
1060

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Looking to pair CPU's with video cards? Each paired component sits around the same price. This is configured best for 1080p gaming.

#1 Pentium G4560 - GT 1030 2GB - "The TDP King"

#2 R5 1500x - RX 570 4GB - "The Competitor"

#3 R5 1600 - RX 580 4GB - Best $/Performance

#4 R7 1700 - GTX 1070 8GB - "The Multi-tasker"


Get 8GB (4x2) of DDR4 2133/2400, whichever is on sale. Ryzen based machines do benefit from higher frequency RAM, however; the price does not justify the performance increase in gaming.

Get 16GB (8x2) of RAM if you plan on streaming, or for mass productivity. Otherwise, it's completely unnecessary and will offer no performance benefits. Nor will it future-proof you.

Get an SSD. Sort Best $/gigabyte on pcpartpicker and pick the one that fits your budget. If you can't afford an SSD, go with any sized Hitachi 7200rpm HDD.

If you're a streamer, and you plan on recording your streams; get a large cache 7200rpm HDD to store your streams and an SSD for your main usage.

Don't get a modular PSU unless you have a windowed case or have poor airflow.

>>60870451
I really hope I won't have to get a new PSU, last time I installed hardware my computer wouldn't POST because my motherboard was fucked, though I don't know if that was my fault or the manufacturers. I just want to quickly pop out the old card and pop in the new to minimize the risk of damaging anything.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k7x6bj

How'd I do? Looking to upgrade from a shitty old PC. Mostly going for gaming.

Among other things, I typically play WoW. Looking to get into Witcher 3, and afew upcoming releases.

I have a 1080 monitor, only 60 hz as it stands. Will be upgrading the monitor at a later time. Still, to 1080.

Friends suggested the i7 7700k for "future proofing". I may dabble with occasional streaming uploading videos for it.

>>60870613
If you want real future-proofing, get ryzen 1600 or 1700, unless you are planning on getting 144hz monitor, but then you will need at least gtx 1080.

>>60870613
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2WgJQV
If you want to stream, do this >>60870675

>>60870613
The 7700k's strength is it's strong single core performance, but on 4 core that's still not enough to call it futureproof.
If you wanna futureproof, you get a 6 cores CPU. Even 6 cores i7 3xxx are still very, very good to this day. Can't say the same about i5 3xxx.

I'm planning on building a gaming pc, I want a ryzen 1500x as CPU and ideally I want to pair it with a rx570, however, they're all gone and I don't want to wait around for too long.

How will gaming performance in 1080p be affected if I opt for a gtx1060 6gb instead?

Where can I buy a 1070 for 350

>>60870712
GTX 1060 6GB offers about 8 - 9% better performance than the RX 570

R8 this build pls (Eastern Yurop, price is $1387.25 total from what I'm getting)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xfq3Gf

I do
>normie stuff
>gaym (planning to buy 2k, 60Hz IPS, from dell most likely) - most demanding gayms would be Fallout 4 and Prey I guess
>use Visual Studio with SQL Server for work

Want this build to last for a while (like 3-4 years).

>and yes you can actually buy rx580 here for like $290 cause I heards ching chong miners bought them out in the west)

>>60870778
Drop the sound card and get a cheaper power supply.

>>60870075
don't fell for the i5 meme, anon.

>>60870468
disregard this retarded post. he's either baiting or has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

>buy computer
>want to upgrade RAM
>buy 2x4gb RAM
>computer came with 1x4gb RAM

should I toss the lone 4GB RAM of same speed, or put it in a third slot all to itself, while matching the two I just bought together.

>>60870885
if it's the same speed just put it in.

>>60870856

This power supply costs literally $10 more than some shit not rated 500w here, so no point really.

Also, I got some proper headphones, would go to waste with integrated sc.

>>60870075
>7600k
:/

Which would be better: buying an SSD for booting and keeping all of my files on an HDD or buying an SSD to keep the majority of my files on like a terabyte or 500 gb and having an HDD to store whatever if I run low?

>Intel shilling at e3

>>60871105
ssd for boot + any programs you use + games you play frequently.
hdd for storage only i.e movies, music, torrents, porn etc.
remember that you can always easily move programs/games between ssd and hdd.

>>60871139
Thanks. So what would be a good size?

I'm leaning towards a 250 GB SSD mostly because of the price

>>60871159
yeah 250gb is more than enough for os, programs and some games.

>>60871200
Thanks!

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I'm eyeing a midi tempered glass case with multiple built-in RGB fans + control to go along with it for my planned build right now. It seems to be pretty high quality for that price range and isn't too heavy either (slightly smaller than my current case according to the data sheet) which is good

Anyone have one of these tempered glass cases? Are they just a meme or does this actually look decent and perform well cooling-wise?

is an external SSD just as good as an internal?

how to connect new pc to internet?
do I need to buy a new modem or something? I really don't want to run a wire all the way from upstairs to connect to my existing modem.

>>60871590
get a wifi card, or do you not have space in your rig?

>>60871590
Running ethernet cable to the pc is not harder than running electrical wire to a socket, it's well worth the decrease in latency. Alternatively you could opt for powerlines, which route ethernet traffic through an existing power outlet with decent performance, no installation needed.

>>60871590
Wifi or another modem

my brother's custom-built gaming computer's PSU shat out because we got it from the basement and it was probably underspecced

What company makes reliable PSUs and isn't Extra Hebrew

>>60871590
Ethernet cable is very very best if you can find a way
I have done a small amount of rennovation to run a very long cable to my router on a different story

otherwise buy a Wi-Fi adapter
USB, PCIe, whatever

>>60871780

SuperFlower and their rebrands make (moreo r less) the best consumer psus money can buy.

Also: http://www.jonnyguru.com/

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Fellow /g friends, i need your help.

I want to build a good pc which is more convenient than a laptop and its main perk should be SPEED

I just have a 600 $ budget, i don't want fancy cases and i don't need a graphic card, i won't play games on it so i can do good even with an integrated one.

What would you suggest? I'm not so good with pc configurations so i thought someone could help me with this

>>60870075
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/328JQV
freed you from the i5 meme. You don't wanna end up with an overpriced corelet.

>>60871886
Look into a G4560 cpu build, it's integrated graphics are more than sufficient for desktop stuff. Considering you want speed above all you might look into investing some of your budget in a decent SSD.

Does your budget include peripherals like a monitor, keyboard etc.? I can look into brewing a build for you if you give me some more information.

>>60871886
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wBvfZ8 this is more than enough for general tasks like movies, browsing internet etc.

>>60871999
No, monitor, graphic card etc is something i can add later

>>60871590
Look into powerline ethernet, it's what I use. Indistinguishable from ethernet in my experience for everyday use and far superior to my experiences with wifi while gaming.

Not sure how you are just thinking of this now though, kek.

>>60871405
>is an external SSD just as good as an internal?
No. It has to deal with USB or some other method of connection to your motherboard which will be slower than SATA. Could be fine as an extra storage drive but usually if you're getting an SSD in the first place it's because you want speed, not just cheap storage. That's what external HDDs are for.

>>60871401
>tempered glass cases
Right up there with Kaby Lake X as the top meme of 2017.

>>60872099
Where are you based? Do you need a lot of storage? What kind of programs will you be running? How important is power efficiency?

>>60871401
Post the build man. TG is a meme, but if you got enough shekels and more, go for it

>>60871999
>>60872085
So if i wanted a ryzen cpu i could not have an integrated graphic card?

>>60872160
Correct

>>60872143
I m in europe, and i need more speed than storage, also i won't run heavy programs but i don't want the pc to fall apart if i run something like a video converter software

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>>60871661
>>60871692
>>60871696
>>60871800
>>60872111
thanks boys

I ended up using one of these because it was convenient to use w/ a ethernet cord. I'm finally connected to the internet, but my computer runs so unbearably slow. My estimate for downloading google chrome is 2 hours...

Is this because of my internet connection? fugg it can't be my computer, it's a ryzen 1600 + 1060 w/ an ssd. send help.

>>60872174
Is a G4560 shitty compared to a ryzen?

>>60872099
>>60872085

While this build is perfect for a fast media computer (although it lacks storage, which could be resolved by adding a 50-150$ 1-4TB HDD) it lacks upgradeability.

I mention this because you said 'I can add a gpu later'. If you're considering upgrading this to a gaming pc eventually, you might want to pick an overclockable motherboard with ample space, a better PSU (500-600 watts should be enough so you won't have to bother about power). A better CPU would be nice although the G4560 is currently enough for midrange gaming (Though if you're only planning to upgrade in a year of two this might become an issue).

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>about to buy new rig soon-ish
>find out by chance that there is something called 'rank', ie single, dual or quad 'rank' for RAM
>rank is nowhere listed in specs on product pages

WHY

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Just got a 1080Ti, I know Nvidia can't really mine very well but I was just in a thread any people were saying it can mine semi-well. Is it worth it to mine shitcoins with it?

>>60872217
A G4560 is more than ample for desktop stuff and midrange gaming. A ryzen is just very good while a G4560 is good.

>>60872256
Do you pay for electricity? Do you seek a profit or want to try it for learning/shit and giggles?

>>60872229
>>60872262
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wBvfZ8

So is this the fastest thing i could build out of 600 $?
Can i possibly turn it into an even faster rig?

Like with, better RAM? Idk

>>60872311
If you're just going for everyday desktop stuff then this is pretty much all you need. Considerable upgrades might include a larger SSD or a better PSU if you're planning on upgrading this eventually.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m7LJQV

Would you guys make any changes to this? Can't go over $950

I'm thinking of adding another graphics card for sli to do 4k gaming but my current rig already trips the breaker every now and then. Is there anything I can do or should I just stick to the 2560x1440 I enjoy now? Is 4k even worth it?

>>60872275
I guess it isn't economical electricity/returns wise then? Yeah I pay for electricity.

What external hard drives does pcbg use?
Was looking to keep one hooked up all the time to regularly backup my files since I goofed and bought a WD Blue.

>>60870013

For almost everything other than games. Infact if you are doing any video editing or streaming the 7700k is actually a terrible buy when compared to something like the 1600X or 1700.

Also important to mention that if you buy an i5 with only 4c/4t you are a fucking cuckold.

Old games run better than on an i5, but Ryzen is 100% more future-proof. 12 threads vs 4 and IPC difference of only 5-10%. The choice is so clear that anyone buying an i5 is either retarded or ignorant. i7 is better for pure gaming but if you do literally anything else the Ryzen is the better CPU.

>>60872450
Why stop at 4 threads when you can step down from just barely usable to fucking unbearable and tell him to get a pentium?

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rate my pc guys

>>60872417
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m7LJQV


honestly it doesn't look bad at all, but I'd increase the SSD to 240/256 GB. You should have the budget for it

>>60872445
It might or might not be. I know this rx480/570/580 craze is because of Ethereum, a "new" cryptocurrency which mines especially well on those AMD cards, as for NVIDIA, I would google hash rates on both bitcoin and ethereum and any other cryptocurrencies you might be interested in, stick those hash rates into a profit calculator (which usually prompt you for power usage and electricity cost) (you can google your power usage) and take that profit with a nasty grain of salt since the profit will be diminishing over time as mining becomes more and more difficult. If you're interested in this kind of stuff there's tons and tons of info and how-to's to find online.

>>60872372
What psu would you suggest?

>>60872417
single 8GB stick of ram as you dont need 16GB of ram, and yo definitly dont need it when the prices of DDR4 are record high

put that money in to larger SSD, you have no idea how limiting is 120GB just 3 months after fresh install
samsung 960 evo m.2 would be my go-to

why buying reference design graphic card?
take at least gigabyte windforce or msi armor

>>60872450
please stop shitposting

>>60872417
>>60872450

stick with the ryzen, it's way better cost/performance wise than any intel counterpart. If you really want to invest some more money consider a larger SSD or better peripherals like a nice monitor or a better keyboard/mouse.

>>60872531
also performs better than i5s in pretty much everything

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>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Zmmkr7

I'm trying to put together a build that can handle newer game titles, while also doing a little streaming on the side. I'm using intel right now, but I've always been curious about trying out AMD, so I'm open to suggestions. Trying to keep it under $1500 if I can.

>>60872550
Give one argument for getting an i5 over a ryzen 1600

>>60872372
Also, i can just find Team Dark ddr4 memorie with 3000 MHz, is it the same?

>>60872557
AMD is at a really good position these days because of their Ryzen and RX lineup. A Ryzen 1500x/1600 alongside a RX480/570/580 will get you very far on a decent budget these days. Only problem is the availability of these RX cards atm, they have been hoarded by cryptominers.

>>60872550
Please buy my 6500 along the mobo.

>>60872557
ryzen 1700
ASUS PRIME B350M Plus
samsung 960 m.2 ssd
gtx 1070
seasonic or higher evga psu
cryorig H7 heatsink
some HDD
put it together and show us the price

>>60872563
muh 5% better single core performance

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>>60872557
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XTF82R
still got some money left for things like new keyboard or a better cooler should you want to OC

What's the best 1440p 144hz monitor for gaming/normal use with a GTX 1080?

Any recommendations lads?
I don't care for Goysync nor Freesync (which I cannot use) I just want a new 1440p 144hz monitor that looks good.

>>60872610

>reliability
>not knowing of X99's problems

>>60869005
What are the best fans for a computer case?

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>>60872610
>/g/ will hop to X299.
>6800k is better than 1600
sure, anon. sure...

>>60872648
Oh noe, a few mobos do not have the agesa 1.0.0.6 yet ;_;

>>60872668

I don't think you actually know what RAM speeds the 6800k supports and yes, XMP is technically overclocking.

>>60872610
[citation needed]

do not respond to trolls
report & ignore

>>60872707


also new AGESA updates get 4000Mhz RAM easy on Ryzen

My R5 1600 is running at 3.8ghz with 1.38v. Could I probably get it to 3.9-4.0 at this voltage?

wat graphics card is gud to power three 2560x1440 displays (60Hz)?

The monitors are Dual-link DVI.

I don't really care about achieving constant 60 FPS on top tier graphics settings

>>60872668
12% and 4% performance difference across 1600x and 1600 is not even remotely close to "margin of error"
And not only is the 6800k less power efficient than both the 1600 and the X version, but it also cost more both in CPU and motherboard.
And you're willing to get that just because you're not able to pick a motherboard that has the agesa 1.0.0.6 in it's bios updates, when the majority have it and all of them will regardless? ok anon

>>60872728
I have 3.9 @ 1.35.

Hits a wall there.

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INTEL HAS HIGHER CLOCKS LOL

>>60872733
Extra monitors take up almost no computation power. The hardest part will be finding a GPU that has 3 DVI ports.

>>60872728
It wouldn't be worth it man.

There is barely much difference between 3,9 GHz and 3,7.
I would suggest you to dial it down to 3,7, and maybe dial down the voltage a bit.
You will save a lot of power, heat and noise.

>>60872727

To be fair that is still overclocking - officially at least ryzen supports faster memory (2666mhz depending on configuration) than any chip Intel sells.

Can anyone recommend me a 144hz monitor? 1080p would be nice.

Still rocking a 7850 but planning to upgrade.

Wait, according to that shitty pdf on ASUS' page the prime x370 pro doesn't even reach 3,2 ghz memory clock on like 95% of available RAM?
the fuck?

>>60872817
Check the bios update for the board.

>>60872837
he's talking about the QVL

>>60872498
>>60872531

changed it to this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YWj2wV

thank you

Whats the best wireless adapter for a desktop PC?

>>60872900
no evga gpus, they are shit tier from my experience
they cut costs wherever they can and then they burn their gtx1070 and gtx1080, they have loud 750ti because they were jews who cant spend extra on PWM fans...

msi armor or gigabyte windforce should be on the cheaper side while very capable.

>>60872917
best one would be any $20 router flashed with openwrt and acting as a bridge

>>60872940
>best one would be any $20 router flashed with openwrt and acting as a bridge
w-what? can you provide an example?
i'm pretty nooby

>>60872940
>>60872917
>acting as a bridge
fuck, I meant being in client mode

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>>60872951
its not for you if you noob
buy whatever I guess

just that theres alternative operating system for routers that gives a lot of freedom and good stability - openwrt or its fork lede

they allow for your typical router to be a bridge or be in client mode. where they dont propagate wifi signal but are just device that communicates with the main router and shit can be plugged in to its port to get internet from that..

>>60872728
Dependong on what you do, there is little to no point to OC above 3.6 on all cores for gaming and everyday tasks.

I have a 1700 at 3.6 and it's fast enough to render even. And the heat and power consuption are under control with the stock cooler.

>>60870613
7700k makes no sense for futureproofing 1080p 60hz. The only reason to buy a 7700k right now is for 144hz gaming and even that is iffy. So get a ryzen chip

>>60872992
Don'T TPLink sell these with a client mode built in? I have two of their routers and at least one of them does it (via lan or usb).

>>60873029
I think they should
but I only had their cheapest ones, like literally bought brand new for $10 and they had zero settings
I bet higher tier archers have client mode and bridge and all the good stuff

>>60873044
>>60873029
lol googled and I think even cheapest ones have it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWVPZSQqUZg

>>60872992
do you have a link to the router in your pic? is that the one that you use?

>>60872621
literally any 1440 144 minotor will do. just make sure it has IPS screen

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>>60873139
nah man I use this $10 shit
What brand router, you have at home now?

>>60873202
oh shit wait im dumb.
i already have a router, I just need some kind of wireless card for my PC then, right?

>>60873202
my router is the standard, newest one from my ISP (bell) btw. it's upstairs though and I don't want to run a wire all the way from up there.

>>60872802
AOC G2460PF 24 inch 144 Hz

>>60873253
yeap, but you asked for best, and best would not be shitty card
but another router that would be put in to a client mode, so it would be like other devices on your wifi network

>>60873280
are cards inherently shitty or something?
I don't understand, if I got the router >>60873202
don't I still need an internet card?

>>60873293
If you want something simple and cheap, just go to pcpartpicker and get one of the 2 highest rated wireless adapters.

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>>60873273
its renting or your home?
I always recommend little pampered fucks to use the opportunity, get some tools and too good cable job, with covers and all
it costs in material like $20 you cant really fuck it up as holes are shallow are easily covered with plaster or shit...

>>60873293
>are cards inherently shitty or something?
nah, they are not as good as having router there

>if I got the router don't I still need an internet card?
router would be sitting on top of your PC and cables could be running in to its back and every device connect to it would be getting internet, while through antena it would get internet from your main router

What setting causes Ryzen CPUs to automatically change clock speeds depending on the task?

>>60869005
What is the best and board for mining, thinking of using r3 ryzen for mining,or as a nas.

If i'm purchasing the Ryzen 5 1600 which includes the Wraith cooler will that be sufficient for cooling. Bearing in mind I don't plan on overclocking.

>>60873321
how does the second router get internet though? does it need to be plugged into the original touer?

>>60873354
>touer
router*

>>60873326
no need for settings if you dont OC ;)
no need for settings if you OC and you are in linux
no settings available for windows users who OC, its always in full clock
but interestingly its not power hungry because of it for some reason

i tested it all on my 1700
but probably with bios updates they will fix it for winfags

>>60873318
Are one of these ok? Would it be a mistake to go for the cheaper one?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Chh9TW/tp-link-wireless-network-card-tlwn881nd

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Z6JwrH/rosewill-wireless-network-card-rnxn150pce

>>60873354
Are you talking modem or switch?

They all need to be connected by Ethernet

>>60872438
>my current rig already trips the breaker every now and then
Avoid the fuck out of SLI then. It's so poorly supported these days anyway and the scaling with SLI isn't particularly great.

I think 144fps has a bigger wow factor than 4k. Something to consider if you aren't already at 120-144hz.

>>60873354
through air, using its antena, it gets it wirelessly

thats why I keep using the term client mode
regular router gets internet on to WAN port and the serves it to all devices wirelessly

in client mode, or bridge mode the internet comes through air and is served to all the ports

>>60873400
fugg im too dumb for this shit, I don't understand how a second wireless router would be any better than a network card. they're both wireless
should I just get one of these network cards? >>60873388

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rswosylus/saved/YxmvK8

What do I do, buy the parts now???

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>>60873421
here is pic
the second router would be better because the connection would be stronger, stable, it could serve internet to ~4 devices that would connect to it by ethernet cable, be it PC, console, settopbox NAS,...

but really, just get wifi card and be done with it I guess

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>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cct82R

How are we looking now?

>>60873354
Honestly, that guy you are replying to is so fucking in over your head mentioning ddwrt capable switches to a noob like you that I wouldn't be surprised if he's trolling you.

If your router from Bell has wireless functionality (most do these days) then you just need a wireless adapter. They are either PCI-E cards you stick in your PC (they work fine but you need a spare PCI-E slot obviously) or they are USB based (they work maybe a little less fine but reasonably ok) and they plug externally into any USB port.

>>60873458
While I generally agree with you and use a switch myself, I don't think this dude is capable of setting this up.

>>60873467
overkill psu just so you know

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>>60873445
PLS HELP ME FINALLY DECIDE ON A DAMN PC!!!! I JUST WANNA BUY A PC AND BE HAPPY WITH THE PARTS I PICKED

>>60873445
>>60873467
did you do some googling to be sure that that RAM will be accepted by ryzen? Or just first RAM that looked good?

RAM is issue with ryzen, gskill usually use samsung made RAM so they are usually the choice.

also RAM is incredibly overpriced, we are probably at the peek of its price now, if you are not running 2 VMs like I am now, get single stick 8GB and in 6-12 months if you feel the need, buy the second stick

>AMD releases 1700 first
>too expensive for me
>buy 7600k
>two months later 1600 outperforms 7600k at the same cost
AMD's marketing is shit

>>60873491
Yeah, I do it because I plug so much shit into my computer, so better to be safe than sorry.

>>60873467
Looks good but maybe get another case fan and aftermarket CPU cooler for OC. Wraith Sphire is good, but not really made for OC.
Also what >>60873491 said. 1700 + 1070 will never come even close to 750W. Imo get 650W for headroom, but even 550W is fine.

>>60873516

>It and fault I am a retarded,and didn't wait when everyone was saying ryzen has launch issues

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>>60873482
yeah. I have no idea what I'm doing..

would this be adequate?
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Z6JwrH/rosewill-wireless-network-card-rnxn150pce

this is also me >>60872199 and using this adapter gave me like, 100 kb/s internet speeds. I'm worried that a wireless adapter would be just as shitty now.. what do you think?

>>60873516
Dumb intelposter.

>>60873495
get ASUS PRIME B350M Plus, better mobo IMO
if you unsure about OC, I would go for 1600X
as without OC you will have low frequency, and with OC windows cant downclock, will be probably fixed but it costs like extra $40

seriously overdoing it on the PSU
450W would be more than enough

would get m.2 samsung 960

>>60873516
>can afford $240 + $20 cooler and more expensive h170 mobo
>can't afford $315 + less expensive b350 mobo

>>60873526
Yeah, something like that will work and generally shouldn't bottleneck your internet connection.

That sucks about powerline. It can be really fast but it is dependent on how your home electrical wiring is set up. If it's a really old house or a really new one I've heard it won't be as effective. I don't think there is a surefire way of knowing that it won't be good until you try it.

>>60873562
okay doing everything you said. i feel very overwhelmed with all these pc parts its driving me nuts

So I am looking at MSI b350 motherboards and i have seen reviews for tomahawk and mortar but wtf is a provdh? Can't seem to find any good reviews for it.

Also I plan to OC a bit and I have heard of some motherboards not accepting 3200mhz. So are these mobos good for that?

Buying 1700 if that's needed.

>>60873695
>ASUS PRIME B350M Plus
the mobo I meant is actually ASUS PRIME B350-PLUS

btw, you dont need to do everything if budget is really stretched...
for example the SSD...

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Updated build, with new RAM, power supply, and a Corsair case that seems to have better fan support. Also, I don't know what extra CPU cooler to go with, so suggestions for that would be awesome.

>>60873720
My budget is $1,500. I just want to have a solid mid-tier gaming PC that doesn't limit me. I mainly want to play Dark Souls series, TES, Fallout..
Terraria

Pls spoonfeed me a build anon

>>60873689
FUCKING THANK YOU

your comment about it depending on the electrical wiring made me realize I had the powerline connected to a power strip instead of the outlet. I moved things around and connected the powerline directly to the outlet and everything is so much faster. holy shit thank you so much anon.

>>60873516
lmao if you're not trolling you deserve it
>m-muh overclockable quad core will certainly outperform this 8 core/16 thread CPU, even after they optimize for it!

>>60873784
well, in that case as I see it
go down to 8GB of ddr4 ram, whatever brand
that seems to put you to around $250 to spend

>switch cpu to i7-7700k
+$140 ($340 - $200 from ryzen)
>mobo switch to GIGABYTE Z270X-UD3
+$30 ($140 - $110 from tomahawk)
>you need heatsink since intel is jew
+$35 for cryrig H7
-------------
$205

>>60873326
P-state overclocking if your board supports it.

Ok guys any suggestion for my build before I pull the trigger?

https://pcpartpicker.co/list/qNbhwV

>>60873905
why cant i click link?

>>60873784
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bhHzLD

>>60873905
>$800
>for a monitor

>>60873705
Anyone can help? Will buy it this week.

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>>60873859
ANON, can you please build me a PC that is something you'd use for $1,500

>>60873169
Is the same true for 1080p monitors? What is IPS anyway?

>>60873930
Yes why not? All the monitors with the specs I want are on the same price give or take

>>60873905
You're not gonna reach 165hz (or even 144hz) constantly with a stock (3.2 - 3.7GHz) R7 1700. Remember that the best 144hz+ CPU is clocked at 4.2 to 4.5 GHz. Get a cooler and overclock the CPU.

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>>60873951
Why are you so lazy?

>>60873951
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bhHzLD

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>>60873951
nah, but you have to just change 3 components in your build from here>>60873445
change it, see if it really fits the budget, then let us see it there if some other shit comes to mind

but, lets try this

THIS ANON WANTS INTEL BUILD 7700K, in $1500 RANGE with 144hz monitor for around ~$250

but dont count on some anon helping
change the build, post it, preferably with also screenshot, not just link

>>60873966
I call bullshit.. I'm not gonna throw this much money for such high end parts and not hitting 144hz

>>60873996
the 7700K is for cucks

>>60873997
Different CPU have different strength, high framerate isn't among the R7 1700's strength. Though you can indeed reach high 144hz framerate with high frequency ram and by overclocking.
Just because it's expensive doesn't mean it's automatically the best at everything.

>>60873773
First, link to the build next time, makes things easier.
Now, the RAM is worse. With Ryzen you want fast RAM. 3000 CL15 or 3200 CL16 is fast and not ridiculously overpriced, go with that. Either Ripjaws or LPX is fine.
>Cooler Master Hyper T2
That shit might actually be worse than the Wraith Sphire, what is wrong with you?
Good value coolers are: Cryorig H7 (check compatibility), Scythe Fuma (RAM issues), Mugen 5 (compatible with free kit), Thermalright Macho Rev. B and True Spirit Dircet / Power.
>Corsair case
Imho overpriced and overrated. I think you can get a Fractal Design R5 or S for less or the same, add 1-2 Be Quiet Pure Wings 2 and you're good and also silent.
PSU is good but overpriced, look at Seasonic G Series and EVGA G3.

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>>60873996
Okay anon I'm trying. How is this looking so far?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rswosylus/saved/YxmvK8

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Doing a build for my crazy and rich landlord, very old but knows what he wants,
NVMe M.2 ssd, latest and greatest i7 cpu, small form factor, best sound card I can find, 5.25" external bays (at least 2), no gpu but the motherboard should be able to handle 2 monitors @1080.
He wants all this just for his business, but it has to be the best because it's "his last computer" aka he will die before he needs to buy another onw

>>60873957
Good color display. You can also get a PLS which is better for gaming

>>60874053
>https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rswosylus/saved/YxmvK8
get a cheaper b350 mobo and get a CPU cooler with the saved money, then overclock

>>60874104
Also I made this before he told me his latest requests so now I am looking for suggestions

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>>60874053
it looks like you did not read whats recommended here>>60873859
but its not a bad going
instead of CPU upping the gpu and going gtx1070
while finding interesting promo and mail in rebate for mobo
but I would still not bother with X370 motherboard, other than more sata ports its not much that they offer

also would not let myself be lied by mail in rebate from evga on PSU
just get seasonic

>>60874133
what is he gonna use it for?

>>60874141
Just productivity stuff, he uses chrome and the Microsoft suite all the time but other than that I'm assuming he watches a shit load of porn on it.

>>60874158
then yeah it'll do good

>>60874053
looks good

>>60874104
>>60874133
>intel
>no overclocking edition
wow you are a cuck if you buy this shit

>>60874173
If you read you'll see it's for my old landlord. He specifically said he doesn't want to overclock and has no need to but just wants the best cpu he can get

>>60874185
>just wants the best cpu he can get
1800x is the best cpu he can get

>>60873816
Oh wow, glad that helped, I forgot to even mention that.

I actually use powerline myself and I had forgotten about that aspect of it, but yeah, it's pretty fucking amazing. I'd take it over wireless any day and I used wireless for years.

Glad you're online anon, now you can shitpost at highspeed with the rest of us.

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>>60874104
switch heatsing for noctua or cryorig H7
wtf is that ram without heatsink while taking that mobo?
the fuck is that ssd? samsung 960 evo or even pro, he is crazy rich right?

in win chopin for small form factor case without GPU?
I love how it looks

also might want to educate him on DAC, and instead of sound card get him some SMSL little box

>>60873482
>While I generally agree with you and use a switch myself, I don't think this dude is capable of setting this up.
Maybe he cant but I'm interested if you could provide a link to a tutorial. Right now I run ethernet cable to a splitter for multiple devices but I'll be moving to a situation where I'll have to rely on wireless.

>>60869005
Kind of sad/disappointed in your accurate GTX 1080 score

ECVA SuperNOVA G2 vs P2 750W, housefire memes or actually decent? Weirdly, P2 is the same price as G2.

>>60874185
just get 7700k and overclock/undervolt it before handing it to him, and you should include at least 3000mhz rams

What are the go to case fan recommendation?
The 2 included in my Corsair 200r are workin fine and surprisingly quiet, but I wanted to step up and overclock.

Is the stock 1600 cooler good for ocing up to 3.7 or 3.8?

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>>60873877
>P-state
That's the inefficient windows control mechanism.

Ryzen has its own hardware to manage all that.
It's called different things, because they do different things.
>Precision Boost
>XFR
>Pure Power

>>60874380
EVGA* Bump.

>>60874388
>get intel
wew lad just fuck off shill

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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rswosylus/saved/YxmvK8

I might just give up on building a PC. This shit is just too difficult and I always feel as if I'm choosing bad parts.
Is it even worth it to go with a 144hz monitor anyway if I dont play many online games, especially shooters?

>>60874566
if you are not that big of an action player then I would definitly recommend going rather for good IPS monitor like dell U2515H

>>60874549
he's building for micro case and however you might love the AMD, Ryzen has no internal GPU

>>60874566
1070 could be overkill for what you want, but will last longer.
I'd get a 1060 6gb and up the ssd to 500gb.

>>60874104
Does he not need a dedicated GPU? If he does that makes the choice for a case a bit harder with the optical drive. EVGA Hadron comes to mind or maybe LianLi Q11.

I'm currently using an fx6300 cpu and an gtx1080ti. although performance is really quite good, I think a bump in cpu performance would make a difference. Would I be better off saving money and upgrading to an fx9590? With that option I could keep all my other components, only cpu upgrades. Other option is to go all in on a new cpu and mobo, and probably a psu too.
currently have only 8gb ram, is that still enough for games? my gpu has more that that

>>60874637
micro atx is good enough for anyone, fuck off shill

>>60874872
>fx6300 cpu and an gtx1080ti
This is just retarded. Your FX 6300 is bottlenecking the 1080ti sooo fucking hard.
Upgrade to R5 1600 for gaymen, great CPU, upgraded from Nehalem to it and no ragrets so far. You will need DDR4 and new mobo, but it's worth.

>>60874566
You can still notice a lot of difference going from 60 to 100 on pretty much anything, I'd suggest 100hz (+gsync/freesync, hard to go back once you get used to it), but offer of IPS above 60 hz is truly non existent

>>60874566
don't give up
I just finished my build and I didn't know anything about computer hardware. It's really easy if you follow a youtube tutorial.

Your parts are good, but pricy af for what you need it for. If that's okay with you, just upgrade to an IPS monitor and you're set.

>>60869005
How long will this processor last before I will need to upgrade?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N849S1592

>>60874947
>>60874918
>>60874692
I think I may be spending too much money on a pc. I really don't know if I need 144hz monitor. I just wanna play comfy skyrim and terraria.
Dark souls, older fallout games like NV...
Idk beyond that. I've been depressed and havent play vidya in awhile. Was hoping a PC would help, also I want a pc for my room instead of using my phone.

>>60874914
it does bottle neck but my monitors are only 60hz and it keeps up with that. It plays witcher 3 at 2560x1080 at 60+ fps.
lol first time I opened the game it immediately suggest I change my windows theme for performance

shit just the 16gb of ddr4 would cost as much as the 9590. is ddr4 necessary for ryzen or something? I currently have 8gb of ddr3 so I'm guessing I couldn't just add ddr4 sticks to that

>>60875030
It's about to get wrecked by Threadripper.
A 16 core with better core scaling.
Lower TDP.
At 850 bucks.

>>60875045
yeah u can't put ddr3 DIMMS into ddr4 slots

How long do you think this build will last?
Is there anything you'd recommend or change to make it cheaper?

>>60875030
fuck off

>>60875087
Would help if I actually posted the build whoops

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NhqpkT

>>60875045
>FX 6300
>GTX 1080ti
>1080p
>60Hz
Why the fuck did you even buy a 1080ti, it's absolutely wasted on your setup.
Anyways, you need DDR4 because AM4 requires it. DDR3 will probably fit but it will blow the RAM controller.
If you ask me, sell your old PC and build a new one around Ryzen. If that's too expensive keep the current and save up, there's no point in getting the 9590 now.
Neither 6300 nor 9590 will have good resell value and if you're capped by 60Hz but reach 6ß+ fps anyways, why bother?

>>60875039
Your build looks fine desu. If you want to downgrade to a 1060, that would be fine for your needs and save you a lot of cash

>>60873321
> get some tools
>it costs in material like $20
You mean over $40 with tool, cable (25m or more), connectors (buying just 2 or 4 is dumb), cable cover, plaster...
Anyway, whatever the price, it's the thing to do, even if renting.

>>60875112
thanks, but what about monitor? I have a barely used Benq 24" monitor TN 60hz right now. Should I just stick with it?

>>60874635
>25"
>good

>>60875099
looks good

>>60875133
honestly thats fine. no reason to kill your wallet for no reason. unless you can really spare the money.

>>60875148
So take off monitor and go with a 1060, got it. I mean, I can spare that money but I might regret putting that much dough into a PC, especially if I end up hardly using it for vidya.

>>60875148
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rswosylus/saved/YxmvK8

>>60873773
Asus boards ate ANUS for ryzen, get msi or gigabyte or asrock.

>>60869005
Vega when?

Naples when?

>>60874104
>getting the i7 7700 cucked edition

im feeling panic come on. i cant make a decision on parts and if i should go 144hz or stay 60 with my 60hz Benq 24" inch TN monitor


im going coocoo!

>>60875595
buy everything man, that's what I did

>>60874566
144hz is a meme don't fall for it.

this is purely theoretical speculation

If I wanted the highest possible (stable) single threaded performance out of a processor and was willing to turn off SMT and additional cores (leaving 2 cores on) while also using phase change cooling and other kinds of hardware mods, what processor should one get for that, and what clock figures would I be looking at?

>>60875615
this is what im working with
wtf buy everything!?
>>60875621
should i just buy a 1080p IPS so I can have dual monitors or not even bother

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rswosylus/saved/#view=YxmvK8

>>60875633
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/6gvzd9/am_i_making_a_mistake_by_going_with_a_60_fps_build/

here is someone elses suggestions on reddit

What's the best price/performance 1070 card? I mainly game on 1080p, but I don't want to upgrade for the next two years or so.

It'll be paired with a ryzen 1600.

>>60875633
Of you can afford it get a 1440p 60hz ips monitor

>>60873278
thanks man!

>>60875099
Perfect build, I would say get an ATX motherboard for more features if you have the extra cash, best are Asus PRIME B350-PLUS, MSI Mortar, basically all B350 motherboards are good except for the Gigabyte ones.

>>60876245
Thanks for the recommendation I appreciate it!

>>60876332
I got that same motherboard you listed since the selection here was shit (all Gigabyte for ATX), I would have gotten the Asus one if I could have found it.

>>60876245
>except for the Gigabyte ones.
The Gigabyte GA-AB350 Gaming 3 is good. DOn't lump them all in together because of your own opinions about a company.

>>60876372
It's not because of the company, they have objectively worst VRM solution of all the B350s

>>60876411
Still a good board.

>>60875551
Anybody?

>>60876653
Naples has been renamed Epyc.
Vega is being announced next month in Las Vegas

>just added a 1080 ti with the intent of paying it back with mining revenue
Think the boom will last that long? At 7-8 bucks a day it should pay for itself in about 3 months.

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>>60870052
>>60870369
>>60875653
>cheap 1070
LUL
They're almost all out of stock. Ones that aren't are $400-$500+.

Anyone who buys a 1070 for gaming instead of mining is r e t a r d e d.

Here's my current build:
Thermaltake V3 Black Edition
Thermaltake 430W
8GB DDR3 1600Mhz HyperX Ram
AMD FX 6350
MSI Radeon 7770 Ghz edition
Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. GA-78LMT-S2P (Socket M2)


I've had this baby for 2 years, and I'm thinking of upgrading some parts

I'll probably want to keep the case, cpu, and motherboard. I don't know about PSU, I really don't want to upgrade it, but would be willing to.

I want to buy a new cpu fan sometime sooner, and later I want to buy a new graphics card. I think the ram amount is good enough

What's a good CPU fan around $30? What's a good graphics card that uses the same power consumption as my current one but is vastly superior? I was thinking of the 970, but it's already kinda outdated.

Thanks

>>60876820
anon, thats 7-8 bucks of mining 24/7

ur not gonna make that much using ur pc senpai

Purpose: 1080p gaming,coding, 3D modeling, vidya development
Used often: Unity, 3ds max 2017
Games: GTA V, Cities Skylines, Oculus Rift games usually requiring three sensor and touch setup, Subnautica
Budget: $1300

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RwtXtJ

>>60876893

Get a Hyper 212 Evo

>>60876945
Is it quiet? Like really, really quiet

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>>60876961

I can't say, to be honest it was what was recommended to me for my first and current build, pic related

>>60876897
Eh, I figure game time is acceptable losses. I'm usually working or doing other stuff anyway, plus I've got my old GPU running right alongside it for about $12-$13 total.

>>60876961
Its only as quiet as the fan you use, and the stock one is garbage

Every time I boot my computer it goes straight to bios, how do I stop this?
It's an msi b350 pc mate, not overclocking anything

>>60877235
Check the options?
Try disconnect your kb when turning on your computer

What's the Nvidia alternative to the GTX 480 8gb?

>>60877244
Tried that, and reset everything to default in the bios.

Will disabling Core C6 do anything for performance when overclocking?

>>60877288
1060 6GB

>>60877299
Open up your case and take a look at your mobo. Make sure the pins are properly set. Some mobo have connectors that you can set that resets the bios or shit like that.

are evga 1070s still the best?

if I have my rx 580 running at 100% 24/7
how long before it runs out

>>60877388
Which pins? The pc works fine once I exit the bios, it just goes to the bios first and then I have to exit to get to the os.

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>>60877444
meant burn out

>>60877445
Look at your mobo manual. It is different for each one.

>>60877454
The fan ball bearings will fail first

>>60877469
if i'm running the fans at 30% how long

Am I correct in assuming all graphics cards are overpriced now due to mining (even Nvidia)? Surely the neweggs of the world are taking advantage of the GPU "shortages."

>>60877475
Till it does a thermal shutdown and then you are forced to reboot.

>>60876939
I'd do something more like this, but what's the storage plan

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PCjZ7h

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>>60877496
i meant an estimated time.
saphhire nitro+ 580 8gb

>>60877544
Don't be a fucking moron. How can we tell you? What is your setup like? How is your cooling like? All that affects your uptime.

>>60877556
you could just give an avg runout time for the 480 and i'll assume it about the same

>>60877524
Or even this if you haven't changed the budget but want to get a whole computer

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mL6rQV

>>60877575
Not him but how the fuck would anyone know that? Graphics card life isn't measured in estimated hours before failure, like fucking hard drives are. Their usage varies wildly depending on how you're pushing them. You sound like a stupid faggot, kid. Get out of here before I reply to you again.

I'm seeking to upgrade my GPU from a GTX 650TI boost because it's super old and causing me some issues. My friend recommended me a 1060, but I'm thinking I'd rather go with a 1050ti because there's a pretty significant price drop (goes down to half price or so). Is this a bad decision?
This is my case if that changes anything https://www.mwave.com.au/product/bitfenix-shinobi-window-midtower-case-aa12450?gclid=CMPQk8jtudQCFcoIKgodcKsAkA

>>60877620
Which 1060 were you recommended? VRAM isn't the only thing different about the 3GB and the 6GB model.

Basically, get the 1060 if you want to spend the money. If you can get the 6GB model then do so. If you don't want to spend the extra money get the 1050 Ti.

There are very few cases that will have a problem fitting the 1050 Ti.

Newfag here. How do I measure the performance power of CPUs?

Want to upgrade my i5-3450 to something for more CPU intensive games like Battlefield but not sure what I should be looking for. GPU is a 1060.

>>60877809
>that CPU/GPU combo
I bet you bought the 1060 thinking it would increase your Battlefield performance and then when it didn't improve you realized you were CPU bottlenecked in the first place. Newfags always do this. Anyway, B350 mobo and Ryzen 5 1600 if you're smart.

>>60877843
No, I actually don't even have Battlefield, I just want to expand the list of games I'm able to play at good settings. I upgraded my AMD 7850 to a GTX 1060 mainly for The Witcher 3 and it was 100% worth it.

>>60877843
He needs new ram as well.

>>60877809
See, it's not necessarily the ratings on a graph that decide how to pick a CPU, but rather the architecture of said CPUs.
The Intel Core i5 line up has been outdated for years but they haven't had a proper competitor to push them off the market... until now. 4 cores and 4 threads just aren't enough these days, especially for gaming.
The Golden standard of Intel chips for gaming is the Core i7, which has 4 cores and 8 threads, but you pay through the nose for it. And again, it didn't have a proper competitor until recently.
AMD had tried to tackle the Intel chips previously with their 4, 6, and 8 core FX processors, but the architecture couldn't utilize those cores to their advantage. An 8 core FX 8350 was similar in performance to a high end dual core Intel i3 or a low end 4 core Intel i5.
However, AMD learned from the mistake and designed a completely new architecture, called Zen, to underpin the next gen processors, released 3 months ago. The result?
AMD's new Ryzen processors have been kicking Intel's ass at almost everything. Intel is still the king of single thread performance, but it isn't a huge gap anymore.
The golden chip of the line up is the AMD Ryzen 5 1600, a 6 core, 12 thread processor. It's priced like an Intel Core i5 at $220, but delivers performance just shy of the $330 Core i7 7700k. And that's before any games were ever optimized for Ryzen's unique architecture.
So that's the chip to go for. To use it though, you need a new AM4 motherboard (available in A320, B350, and X370 chipset variations), and DDR4 ram, the faster, the better. Unlike with Intel, high frequency ram makes a HUGE difference in how Ryzen chips perform so it is definitely worth the extra dosh.

>>60877916
The 14 nm Intel chips are not outdated by architecture. AMD has the same but they can add more cores with actual scaling. Don't spread misinformation.

>>60877936
>The 14 nm Intel chips are not outdated by architecture.
It's just a refresh of a 10 year old architecture. The size of the chip has nothing to do with the architecture, which is older than dirt at this point.

Would a 1600x and 1070 perform well with a 144hz monitor, or should I go for a 7700k

>>60877916
Thanks.

>>60877972
I don't think the actual computing part is that outdated on the lakes and that revolutionary on the ryzen. Especially that they perform the same on single core.

>>60878011
Ryzen is revolutionary. You're just looking at it wrong. Intel has different architectures for the consumer products, the HEDT products, and the server products.
AMD has one for all. Ryzen is modular, and THAT is it's secret weapon.
Remember hearing about AMD's HEDT chips, named Threadripper? It's 2 Ryzen 8 core chips put on the same chip and a different socket.
Remember Epyc (previously known as Naples)? That's 2 Threadripper chips put on 1 chip, a different socket, and a server platform that can support 2 sockets per motherboard.
So Threadripper destroys Inte;'s HEDT platform.
And Epyc is 4 times as powerful as Intel's best Xeon setup.
Ryzen isn't revolutionary for the performance it got from the architecture it uses, but how adaptable it is. Intel can't do that. And to think, there's still the low end Athlon and A-series versions to expect.
Intel got their ass handed to them by a single architecture.

>>60878060
Dude i know that. Ryzen is genius because of the scaling which is caused by infinity fabric. The fucking 14nm transistors are probably not that revolutionary compared to skylake. How would they? That's why a single core performs on the same level.

>>60877459
Checked every boot setting that could apply and it's still booting to the bios first.

Anyone else have this problem with an msi board?
Tried unplugging my keyboard too.

Is there a single advantage micro-ATX has over ATX?

>>60869115
This is another example of "I'm so smart because I'm claiming something that is counter-intuitive!"

It's clear that a few drives caused the massive Seagate average failure rate: the 1.5TB and 3TB drives in particular. Those drives were faulty in design (I had FOUR 1.5TB drives fail on me, personally. The 2TB drives that they finally replaced the 1.5TB drives with lasted longer.)

I don't care to fully expose the fluff of the article, but it's basically arguing over a few percentage points, and has a lot of stupid, worthless commentary like
>Though they are likely within these ranges, the Backblaze drives cannot be directly compared to each other with varying temperature ranges, let alone other drives. Once again, the lack of pertinent information makes any real conclusions impossible, and the uneven nature of the test environment spoils the data.
A mere three degrees WITHIN THE ALLOWED TEMPERATE RATINGS and the author of the article claims that data is "spoiled." Yeah, in perfect test conditions the temperature would be identical in all cases, but the data blackblaze reports is obviously good enough for consumers looking for worthy drives.

In other words, fuck off Seagate shill. Anyone can look into the drive models on blackblaze and purchase a good Seagate drive or a good HGST drive. For those who don't care about PNs and just want a drive, there are some obvious manufacturers who release great drives, and some who release drives with 25% failure rates.

>>60878253
Generally cheaper. Smaller if that's important to you. Micro ATX is pretty reasonable if you want a basic PC.

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>>60878281
>The Intel shill is back
no thanks. Kindly fuck off

>running a HD 6950

thinking about getting a GTX 1050 Ti...

do it or wait 3 months for new cards?

>>60878321
>Intel shill
Fuck off, retard. There's no Intel shilling at all. Most builds have Ryzen

>>60878328
If you don't absolutely have to upgrade, I'd wait for Volta if you're buying Nvidia. No telling when a low end equivalent to the 1050Ti will be released, though.. likely long after the high end cards

Having said that, obviously you'll be happy with a 1050Ti. Be aware that the 570 is a better card, as long as you can find it for a reasonable price.

>>60877977
Either one is fine. Personally I'd go with Ryzen for the minimums and upgrade potential of the socket

>>60877843
Retard

>>60877809
Plenty of CPU benchmarks at gamegpu. Just take representative games like BF1/ME:A etc and check performance.

Basically your options are either the i7 3770 or a new mobo/ram/cpu combo

>>60877620
Either is fine. 1060 is the preferred 1080p card relative to the 1050Ti, but really it depends on the games you're playing and your CPU. If the CPU is weak (likely) you're never going to see the benefit from a stronger gfx card like the 1060

>>60878409
>Ryzen for the minimums
For the uninitiated, I was talking about the minimum framerates / framerate stability

>>60878409

Yeah it's just I would like to play some recent games - Doom, and Quake Champions but I can't due to my 6950.

What's a reasonable price for a 570/580?

Does it matter whether I pick the Gigabyte B350 Gaming 3 mobo in miniATX or ATX form when it comes to the board itself, how stable it is, etc?

I'm of course not talking about what the ATX board has more.

>>60878492
It should 200-250$ max.

>>60878551
what about a used 780/780 ti?

>>60878492
Honestly not sure exactly. You can compare to the 6GB 1060 for the 4GB 580. It should be the same price or cheaper, considering performance is almost identical (with a better outlook in future games) for slightly less VRAM and power efficiency. Miners may have fucked up the prices, so the GTX cards might be a better deal right now

>>60878569
Best used card is the GTX 970 in my opinion

thoughts on hybrid drives?

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>>60878687
Largely not worth it

>>60872477
lol thats what i have 10/10