/wt/ watch thread

Oh, I see arabs too with this getup, and they universally dress and act like shit. They don't have to dress to impress, they dress for comfort.

I've mentioned once about a sight I'll never forget: a fat arab cald in a salmon pink velour tracksuit, hightop ricks, and a gold ROO you could see from the moon. Man gave no shits. But in his case IT WAS CONVINCING due to several factors.

When I see some weedy, nervous looking white kid (anywhere in the world) sporting some shit that's low in plausibility, then it probably sus. When I was at university I noticed a couple of guys like this. Most were honest enough to admit
>"uh,ah i-i-it's a fake haha"
when I approached them to talk watches, one didn't though, which was a joke considering patek never made a model like the one I saw. Whatever. Drop the conversation and move on.

I knew a kid in my residential college that was a richcunt or had a sugardaddy or something and was a real namebrand whore so when he started sporting the blue omega wavy dial bond semenmaster it wasn't questionable (they were still in production then) to me. He knew nothing of watches though and considered he Baume et Mercier chrono to be some kind of masterpiece.

That being said I was on an escalator with some old fart in shorts, t-shirt and baseball cap who was wearing a gold aquanaut. Dressed like shit, but he wandered into a vertu (lmao) store to what I assume was his family and they were buying something.

But this is Asia. Watches are important totems to signify status; wearing work out sweatpants and what looks like a freebie t-shirt whilst you rock a $50,000 psuedo sports watch is a common enough sight: rich people on holiday, wearing comfycore with a little king's ransom on their wrist.

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>>60842147
FIRST FOR BEST WATCH

>>60842189
Oh, are we going to trigger the resident troll/shitposter(s) this thread? I'm down with that:

>Omega
Don't. I know it's cheap, but don't.
Buy an honest ripoff (rolex) for your money and not this "swiss" piece of shit that has a bracelet, case, dial and hands and probably half the movement made in China and Thailand for all we know.

Many a time wandering through some airport, alone and far from home after another waste of time business trip I come across the inevitable Omega boutique in duty free, and in my weaker moments I've almost been tempted by these submariner wannabes. And they're so cheap in duty free, too!

Then I come to my senses and remember that it's a glorified, Chinese made swatch with a stupid movement.

Get a rolex. At least you can be assured that it's made where it says it is, and that it doesn't have a retarded movement with a gimmicky escapement that is there purely for marketing purposes (to try to compete with rolex, lol) rather than for any tangible benefit. It increases complexity, and thus ensures future service fuckery, and yet others that go with the tried and tested escapement types manage to go toe to toe or exceed the co-fagsual without the bullshit.

If you want to LARP James Bond get the pre coaxial plain jane ETA SM.
The 2254.50 is the last good looking semenmaster, but its price is climbing because of this. The blue wavy Brosnan sm can be had for cheap.

Still a chinese made swatch though, so be sure to buy cheap.

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Can anyone tell me what brand this is?

Also why dees everyone talk about Rolex like it's babby's first luxury watch?

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Green scubadude Amphibian

Should I buy?

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>>60842189
>>60842224
who the fuck posts like this

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>>60842241
>Also why dees everyone talk about Rolex like it's babby's first luxury watch?

because that's what it is, it's famous from a james bond movie and the only watch normies know of

>>60842290
to be fair, the technology and materials of the submariner have vastly improved over time.

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>>60842259
if you like cheap garbage you should buy 2

>>60842302
>to be fair, the technology and materials of the submariner have vastly improved over time.

Have the technology and materials used in a no date submariner increased in value by $4000 since 2008?

>>60842323
>talks shit on vostok while wearing a smart watch
amazing

>>60842323
>smartwatch

>be self-employed translator
>desk job 24/7

Think I can get away with buying a watch as a business expense?

I mean, my accountant is a scared little faggot and he recommended a fancy pen as a business expense.

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>>60842343
>>talks shit on vostok while wearing a smart watch
which is more accurate?

>>60842302
For the love of god do not engage this guy. He trolls every thread.

>>60842342
Didn't they move to a new building around that time?

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>>60842189
Why repost my shitty rant from the last thread?

>>60842241
>Also why dees everyone talk about Rolex like it's babby's first luxury watch?
Because they're the cutoff point for decent luxury watches. Below that and whogivesafuck, above that and you're getting into more sophisticated stuff than rolex's plain jane luxury.
Hence: babby's first luxury watch.

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>>60842433
Yeah it was called the "let's increase the price of a rolex no date submariner by $4000 while improving it in no way" building

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>>60842504
>you can't buy a good watch for under $8000

>>60842530
Neither myself nor the anon I replied to made any reference to good watches, just luxury ones. There's plenty of good watches for a tenth of that, or less.

>>60842599
>There are no decent luxury watches for less than $8000
There aren't, really. Just junk masquerading as luxury, with some rare exceptions. If "luxury" in this case is being used in context with the wider sense of "luxury goods" then though something may be luxurious to you or me the wider world would beg to differ; eg. "nobody" gives a shit about stuff like Grand Seiko.
Rolex is numero uno when "luxury" is mentioned in the context of watches. To the common man who have never heard of PP, AP, VC, ALS and all the rest, it ranks above all.

TAG, modern Omega, Breitling and the rest are shit.

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>>60842695
>>There are no decent luxury watches for less than $8000
>There aren't, really.

>>60842722
Name one that isn't a Seiko.

>>60842734
So you to think that Seikos are decent luxury watches?

>>60842757
Grand seiko is a brand that fits in my rare exceptions category.

>>60842734
In-house Tudor?

What does /wt/ thinkof Laco/1925? Kinda want to pick up one of their repro world war 2 pilot automatics for 300

>>60842323
>le flat tire

>>60842599
>tomboy
>long hair

Pick 1

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Finally put a proper strap on the lord marvel.

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What it shipped with for comparison. The strap was brand new when I got it and this is how it looked after a few weeks of daily use.

>>60842359
when your work is literally to write, a pen makes sense.

>>60843032
pretty good indeed

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>>60843010
>>tomboy

What is a nice weight for a mechanical watch?

>>60843421
300g

>>60843468
Also, is heavier than that better ?

>>60843279
you're cute

I am considering the hamilton khaki field auto with the h-10 movement. Is this a good watch?

>>60843815
yes. also that's an eta 2824 and not an hamilton movement.

>>60842204
Not getting pic related for an even cheaper price.

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>>60844183
Fuuuuu forgot pic,...

Sorryu drunk

>>60844207
Is that a modded sea urchin or something else?

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>>60842241
It's a Vostok Design Army Mechanical Watch (AMW), also know as the Ratnik ("Warrior") due to it being a piece of the Ratnik line of equipment and due to the civilian versions using that name. Vostok Design (BD) is a company separate from Vostok, using Vostok cases and movements, to provide watches to the military under contract. It's essentially the same as an automatic Komandirskie but with a lumed bezel and antimagnetic shield. A navy Amphibian-based version also exists.

We commissioned a set of custom models but I think the chosen design is shitty.

>>60843279
I could love you

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Best video I could get of the dampening system in the Seiko 5S21. In the bottom right, you can see the 4Hz gear that's advanced by the stepper motor, and a bit up and to the left of that, a gear that advances smoothly, which is accomplished through dampening by a viscous fluid reservoir (and, as another anon pointed out, a spring as well, which you may be able to see next to the 4Hz gear).

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>>60845272

>>60843279
wtf I love tomboy now

>>60845272
Do you have Parkinsons?

>>60844753
>we

>>60845282
ban flourescents

>>60844207
what is this lad

Lads, I think Archie's lost it completely now

Asking his audience for a 10K interest free load

I honestly think he's going to kill himself one day. Will get piss drunk and jump off a bridge or something I dont know.

Honestly a bit worried because there's nobody else quite like him. Who else is there? Faterico? TGVirgin? That other frail, nu-male 12 year old looking cunt? Phuckers is what they are!

>>60846139
Archie isn't real retard

>>60846157
Yes he is. His 'act' is a facade but his problems are real

>>60846139
>That other frail, nu-male 12 year old looking cunt
This T&H guy really grinds my gears.

how much do I have to payto get a decent looking but accurate automatic?

>>60846139

How can you trust the word of a man who thinks Tudor is shit?

>>60846281
What do you mean by decent looking and what do you mean by automatic?

>>60846301
He doesn't, Mr. r*dditspacer
He's actually said he thinks they are quite cool, even the ETA ones, but lately dismisses them ONLY because the 'hipsters' wear them and they're too 'trendy' (this is all according to ol' Archie)

He def doesnt think theyre shit lets be real

>>60846332
by nice I mean something you could dress up with, and by automatic I mean automatic

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Is this a men or women's watch?
I've tried to comunicate with the seller for a better photo and description but he hasn't responded yet.

>>60846369
Sorry, I meant accurate. Anyways, SARB033

>>60846433
thanks, I'll keep an eye on that one. Got any that aren't Japanese by any chance?

Also I guess by accurate I mean more accurate than my vostoks, but that's easy

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>>60846474
Tissot Le Locle, I suppose

>>60846474
>Got any that aren't Japanese by any chance?
You could try Swatch group but i don't know how you feel about Chinese

>>60846590
that's beautiful
>>60846679
>swatch
huh?

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>>60846694

>>60846694
>beautiful
I guess

The Swatch Group owns a number of watch brands, including most cheap "Swiss" brands (such as Tissot, Hamilton, Longines, Omega, etc.).

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r8 my wishlist

>>60846857
The orient monarch is really cool

>>60846857
> Price dropped by $0.05
better hop on it

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>>60846857

For the money you would spend on all those shitters you could get yourself a Rolex.

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Where is that Daini fag at?

I want to rep my recent purchase at him.

>>60847029
true, or a breitling or whatever

I would really like some zeppelins, junkers, and a proper laco tho

>>60847116
Dat dial, pretty nice LM there m8.

>>60842259
No

>>60846679
Kys

>>60847497

T. Hanks.

It took me a long ass time to find one with that dial. I was sweating as I waited for the auction to end, and then it went into overtime. I am certain I going up against a couple of people who were trying to buy it just to resell. I got it pretty much on a lark too. Previous owner had just overhauled it, and replaced the crystal. The other watch I was looking at would have required me to do both, and it wasn't the dial I was looking for, but it was close. Shame I can't wear the original band, it's so fucking small.

God damn Japs and their tiny bodies.

I don't know what this part of the watch is called, but is there a tool for making adjustements for it?I can move it plenty, but I can't make small enough adjustments with tweezers or anything, it's just too sensitive andends up messing the time up too much

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>>60847871
oops

>>60847887
Important question anon: which one of the two levers did you try pushing? The one eith the two gold dots, or the thick one with the single dot?

>>60847871
steady hand, and leverage. Recommend using something plastic (like a toothpick) that makes it slightly less likely you'll damage something if you slip.

>>60847920
the slim one on the right

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Are super early vintage Rolexes reliable as daily beaters?

>>60847944
I've got a 1960's Datejust and it's my most accurate watch. No matter what I do during the day or the weather (hot/cold) it only loses a few seconds a day.

>>60847941
Ah, good. Don't touch the other one, it'll fuck up the beat error.

Anyway, I don't know of any tool, just try to nudge a tiny bit. I use the springbar tool.

>>60847979
I'm at the point where I cut a tiny paintbrushes bristles almost all the way off, and using that.I can move it easy but the problem is that im at the point where almost imperceptible movements are required to bring it to within what I consider accurate enough,even just -/+5 seconds a day. Is that even possible withb a vostok?

>>60848000
QC on vostoks is hit and miss it might simply be not possible.

>>60847978
I'm thinking earlier than that. Like 20's and 30's

>>60848000
> -/+5 seconds a day. Is that even possible with a vostok?

Probably not unless you get very lucky. That's the rating of a high-end swiss movement.

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How many colorways of Vostok Neptune were produced?

>>60848097
>>60848080
I assumed it was possible but they simply didn't bother trying to make them that accurate out of the box
>>60848109
That's beautiful, I've got an emerald one on my wishlist on meranom

>>60848081
I've no experience of Rolex's that early. The only ones I've ever seen have all been far too small for my wrist. It's a shame as some of the ones from that period are damn nice.

>>60848191
I'm extremely skinny and I broke both my wrists as a child so my wrists are even skinnier than they would be, so they fit me just fine.

I want them because they're already beat to fuck, designs are good, and are relatively cheap in some instances.

>>60846370
Looks like the latter to me.

>>60846370
pretty sure if you have to ask it's unisex

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Did I fuck up bros?

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>>60849345

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>>60849345
not as bad as me

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>purchase a fine watch from Chrono24
>hear nothing from seller for like 5 days
>assume the watch had been shipped
>contact them to see about the status
>they had apparently forgotten to process my order. They even asked what my name and address were.

Should I report them?

This is my second bad experience on Chrono 24. The first being an Italian seller who sent me a watch that was broken out of the box.

Are Junkers/Zeppelin nice brands?

Looking for a nice German automatic watch somewhere in the 3-500$ range

>>60849406
I admire your acknowledgement of your fuckup. Its not that bad, good taste in style at least.

>>60849593
They're fine

>>60849653
it's just that quartz man, if it were automatic I'd love it but something about it being quartz bums me out

>>60849422
Report them, its the only way the community gets better.

>>60849683
You can't return it? Where did you buy it?

>>60849707
Amazon
Idk if I can return it, I've had it a little while and the strap has some wear.

theres nothing wrong with it I just bought it before I found out how cheap and not fun quartz movements are

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>>60848109
Which generation?

1st: Innumerable
2nd (pictured): Three
3rd: Idk, like six.
4th (SE): Six.

>>60849743
If you care enough if it was amazon prime (sold and fulfilled by amazon at the least) i bet theyd take it back

>>60850055
It isn't fulfilled by but I have a return inquiry email out

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Gold plated omega vintage or should i jizz out 1000$ more to get a soild 14k?

>>60850156
solid are you dumb

Total watch noob here, how "good" of a watch is this?
https://www.seiyajapan.com/collections/seiko/products/seiko-automatic-presage-sarx033

>>60849779
I didn't even know there was that many generations. It thought there was like 2.

where to find pics of all 4 gens pls

>>60848081
>I'm thinking earlier than that. Like 20's and 30's
>>60848322
You'll want to be wary of early rolexes from the 20's and early 30's - wall wrist watches in general really, as shock protection didn't come around till the mid 30s and probably wasn't in wide use until the 40's a the earliest.

Getting something like this fixed because you gesticulated like the flailing, autistic spaz faggot you are, too hard and too wildly one time is going to get costly, or if the thing slips off your bedridden, polio wrists 1ft to the floor or something.

If you're an american, do yourself a service and pick up a nice 40s/50s hamilton, or a gruen for that matter. Rolex, from any era, no matter how warranted it may be, collects automatically a premium over it's competitors from the same era because of people chasing the name.

>>60850248
Pretty good/10. Has the sort of 5 link bracelet with dia-shield coating (basically scratch resistance) which you wouldn't get on a SARB. Blue hands are nice too.

>>60850275
How casually could I wear this?

>>60850248
Also considering this since the dial is incredible.

Thoughts on this one?

https://www.seiyajapan.com/collections/seiko/products/seiko-automatic-presage-sarx041

>>60850287
It's pretty casual as is.

>>60850299
Sarx models are all good

>>60844528
>>60846093

SKX031

Not that guy but I found it oddly disapointing to wear for some reason and I flipped it for an 013 with a strapcode bracelet and made some $

>>60850446
Yeah... It looks a lot like my sea urchin with a better face, which I also find disappointing. The bezel and flat crystal just feel and look cheap. I've thought about upgrading it but think I'm going to sell it and get a 007

Lads, if I enjoy the size of watches like an skx013 or sarb033 would a speedy reduced suit me well? Also wondering if there is a guide to all of the references produced of the reduced and professional.

Best combination of accuracy and affordability in a European automatic watch?

>>60850509

Tudor

>>60850509
Clarify "european".

>>60850522
>thousands of dollars
Kill me

>>60850566
Idk German Swiss or British
Actually those countries though, not Japanese or Chinese movements

>>60850579
If you don't want to pay thousands and want a European watch, you can probably find a mido cosc for sub 1k. Whether that's Chinese is up to you.

>>60850647
What about Junkers or Vostok Europe?

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Kind tempted to get this cute little thing, 50$ automatic with good reviews

>>60850704
>Junkers

Junkers INDEED.

>>60850753
Are they [spoiler]junk[/spoiler]

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Got this Hadley-Roma for 15$, busted after a few days, to be expected I guess. Anyone have any recommendable leather strap brands? I usually go for thicker stuff and without visible stiching, if I can avoid it,and no texture like croc skin or something

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$1000 for a fucking time-telling device is fucking retarded. A lot of these things have utilitarian finishing too. How people bother with anything beyond Seiko 5s and similarly priced/quality watches I just don't know.

>>60850853

>remove seiko 5 branding
>could easily be a GS

kek

>>60850984
How much more different is a GS from a normal Seiko or even a Seiko 5 anyway?

>>60850853
any amount for a time telling device in our modern era is retarded when you think about it

let people be stupid all they want. It's a hobby

>>60850832
what the fuck do you do with your straps

>>60851259
wear em

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>>60850264
pic related is a neptune SE (4th gen)

>>60851406
What's Neptune? A fancy line of dive watches?

>>60845272
this is really cool thank you anon

>>60851433
they're fancy vostoks

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>>60847137
My Zeppelin GMT is pretty cool, it wears really big though as it's around 42mm with almost no bezel.

The strap was very still and uncomfortable so I swapped it for a Watch Gecko strap, bear that in mind.

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>>60850832
Watch Gecko straps are pretty good. I have a couple.

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>>60842147
Opinion on this watch?
My father got it from his godfather in 70's, still works like charm

Opinions on the Bagelsport?

Just a meme or actually a decent price/quality watch?

>>60851959
The former. You'd be lucky to get one that kept decent time.

>>60851936
34mm?

I like bauhaus generally but that looks a tad small.

>>60851959
I hear Rolex makes a pretty decent clone.

>>60850736
I wouldn't get the green one. But other than that they're great watches. Probably the best value in mechanical watches.

>>60851979
That doesn't fall under bauhaus design at all

>>60851959
Yes

>>60851979
Yes, it is 34mm
It is quite small, but so is my penor, still works like charm

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I just bought this one for 35€ because it looks good (kinda retro) and it is lightweight

>>60852295
These are like $12usd anon..

>>60842734

>JLC Reverso
>Cartier Tank

>>60852366
My grandmother bought it for me so idc

can you send me a link of that watch or a similar with a price of 12usd?

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>>60852295
>I just bought this one
>>60852407
>my grandmother bought it for me

Which one is it?

>>60852553
>which one is it?
lel my granny bought it

>>60851936
one of the very few actually good watches from germany at its time senpai

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leik?

>>60853621
No, that's awful

>>60853621
Not really but leave it up in like 40 minutes you'll have 3 seiko guys sucking your dick telling you how iconic it is.

>>60853621
I will never understand why people replace rotating bezels with these gigantic traffic cones.

>>60853803
I don't love the watch but the bezel is nicer than the rotating one.

>>60853858
That bezel is huge.

>>60853858
No.

>>60853621
nice chapter ring alignment

>>60853621
What matters is if you like it

>>60854213
>the nigger is the only one that's not gold
looks like you have ti backwards friendo

>>60854258
The nigger is the one that is absolut shit, from every posible angle

Its seems right to me.

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Is the Sinn an acceptable navitimer?

I mean, the Breitling company identity disappeared when the company went bust decades ago, and in many ways the Sinn is much closer to the original design and purpose than the modern-day """Breitlings""".

>>60854307
My friend has a navitimer but i really don't like it. It is pretty big. I love the idea of a navittimer and i would get one just to look at but i would never personally wear one. I highly suggest you go to a boutique and try both the sinn and Breitling on before deciding on anything.

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>>60854307
Pic is the Sinn.

Sinn bought the rights to the navitimer layout in the 70s when Breitling went bust.

>>60854323
The modern Breitlings are oversized; the smallest one is 43 mm I think.

That's part of why I said the Sinn is closer to the original design.

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>>60854307
>>60854331
Nice Rotary homages.

>>60854213
I don't understand how Seiko can justify putting the same fucking name and logo on both shitty near-knockoffs and high-end watches.

>>60854331
41mm yeah that is a nice size for a computer watch.

>>60854368
CAREFUL NOW SEIKO IS THE BEST BRAND ON EARTH THEIR MOVEMENTS ARE FINISHED BETTER THAN PATEK PHILLIPE. THE SARB 33 IS FINISHED NICER THAN A ROLEX. SWISS PEOPLE ARE ALL JEWS JAPANESE PEOPLE ARE NICE KIND PEOPLE AND SELL THE BEST WATCHES AT A REASONABLE PRICE. IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY SARB 17 YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT. What the fuck did you just fucking say about Seiko, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Academie Horologic Suisse, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret meetings at Rolex, and I have over 300 confirmed watches. I am trained in gorilla watchmaking and I’m the top horologist in the entire US watch forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit about seiko on the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can out watch you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed watch making, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Horological Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>60854368
yeah it's weird. at least they use credor for their best watches. but you'd think those shitters would be released as pulsars or something.

>>60854447
put in more effort next time, "gorilla watchmaking"? Could have put in something that made sense

>>60854567
no u

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>>60854368
I've said it before, It's an absolutely classic logo.

But just as Honda can sell an NSX all around the world, small minded Americans wont want it until it's branded as Acura.

These idiots can't imagine driving a nice car that has the same badge as a Civic because niggers can not fathom a brand not being catering to a single market segment.

>>60854665
It's either a classic logo placed on nice or high-end items, or a generic one that gets put on everything.

It cannot be both.

And in Seiko's case it's a generic logo that gets put on everything, dragging down the high end.

>>60854688
>small minded american

>>60854696
I'm a debonair European who speaks five languages.

>>60846857
Received a Reactor for Christmas... coolest watch on the list!

>>60854665
No. A brand makes a name for itself based on quality. Sherman Williams paint is used by professional painters because of its quality. If Sherman Williams sold 5 dollar paint 10 dollar paint and 45 dollar paint. It would not be Sherman Williams.. it would be every other shitter brand. When the can says Sherman Williams you know you have the best paint you can buy. You form a brand identity and build upon it. Japanese people make and buy econobox shitters and will pay 40k for a leather seated Toyota. Lexus exists in the American market to increase Toyota's profits by manufacturing a false "high end" brand Identity. You are using an example of shady business practices to call American consumers stupid. The fact of the matter is The Honda NSX is not in the same league as a civic. It is a higher value object and thus marketing it under a higher end brand umbrella is a very intelligent business move for honda. You pay 50 dollars for a Malaysian mass market shitter and 4 thousand dollars for a high beat luxury watch and they both have the same logo.. That throws people off.. It makes no sense. They are diluting their own name. You never fuck up your own name. They should have a shitter line for the sarbs and higher end divers and call it seiko. They should re-brand anything they make that doesn't at least have the 4r36 in it and call it something else. Then they need to change the Grand Seiko name as well. Brands need Identity. The name has to mean something.

>>60854787
>A brand makes a name for itself based on quality.
Nigger can not fathom a company putting their name of products of multiple qualities.

>You are using an example of shady business practices to call American consumers stupid. The fact of the matter is The Honda NSX is not in the same league as a civic. It is a higher value object and thus marketing it under a higher end brand umbrella is a very intelligent business move for honda.
So is my example bad or good? Because you've said both. Are you having trouble understanding what I'm saying?

>That throws people off
Idiots.

>>60854819
>Nigger can not fathom a company putting their name of products of multiple qualities.
There has to be consistency. That's the very essence of branding; the reason it exists at all.

The brand is supposed to represent what the company stands for, this includes quality.

That goes down the drain when the same exact brand and logo goes on cheap (near-)knockoffs as well as expensive high-end items.

>>60854877
>There has to be consistency.
Again, an idiot can not handle the idea that there are multiple facets to something. It must be one-dimensional for an underdeveloped brain to make sense of it.

>>60854368
Because reasonable people judge items by their actual quality instead of looking at a brand name. Personally I can't understand the thought process that leads to comments like yours.

>>60847116
Nice condition. What did you pay for it?

>>60854896
>reasonable people
Not found here.
/g/ - Consumerism

>>60847679
Do you have access to a timegrapher? I'd want to check how it runs before I trust it having been overhauled by the previous owner.

>>60854284
The F91 is a fine watch

>>60854958
Is that you, nigger?

>>60854896
That's why branding exists: so people can tell if it's quality without having to inspect it in-depth.

Branding has existed since forever, too.

Even in medieval times, good swordsmiths would add their name/brand to their work for instance.

>>60854895
Branding is supposed to be a mark of pride as well, not just a mark of the business entity.

Especially when we're talking about items that are functionally obsolete, and bought only for emotional reasons (interest in mechanics, history, workmanship, ...).

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What are the best Miyota movement's ?

>>60854971
The F91 just werks, unlike a nigger

>>60854976
>so people can tell if it's quality without having to inspect it in-depth.
People who are looking to be taken advantage of.

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>>60850248
The movement is decent but nothing special. The dial, case, and bracelet finishing are without exaggeration the best of any sub-$1,000 watch on the market. Might be the best finishing you'll find on any new watch below $2,000.

>>60855001
The citizen grand classic's is better still I would say but the design is pretty polarizing unlike the SARX.

>>60854989
Seconding

>>60854998
It's more about reducing the time and cost of choosing what to buy. Consistency within brands means you expect a finer movement from a JLC than from a Hamilton, regardless of the specific model.

If you don't trust any brand, I assume you do due diligence by having all watches disassembled and inspected before you buy them?

>>60854998
A brand consists largely of reputation.

Anyone who has a smidgen of an interest in watches knows the score when it comes to a lot of supposedly high-end Swiss brands.

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>>60850853
>>60851008
https://youtu.be/v0hR9jagpSM

That's how different.

Who are worse, Seiko fanboys or Vostok fanboys?

>>60854307
No, because the Breitling using an at least partially in house column wheel vertical clutch movement and the Sinn is just another 7750.

>>60855046
>If you don't trust any brand, I assume you do due diligence by having all watches disassembled and inspected before you buy them?

Yes. Because I am not a brand whore that means I'm somehow incapable of understanding that brands have lines or models. I don't need to inspect every NSX to know what an NSX is. But I don't need to know anything about the rest of Honda models either.

I buy a model when I buy a car or watch. I buy a brand when I buy a stock, and the brand I'm buying into in that case is their market and management, not their individual models and lines.

People who buy "brands" when they should be buying an individual model are idiots who can't see beyond the surface of things. Consider the idiots who want "an apple" but don't know which one. They've decided on an Apple when they're not even sure if they want a tablet or laptop.

>>60855052
>A brand consists largely of reputation.
And Seiko chose to have a reputation for delivering a watch for you in any price range. I don't see a problem with this approach at all.

>>60854896
LMAO most of nu/wt/ literally wouldn't even know HOW to assess the intrinsic quality of a watch without marketing and branding to tell them how valuable it is.

>>60855136
Seiko is also building a robust reputation as a manufacturer of cheap near-knockoffs.

Branding 101 dictates that you should dissociate any high-end efforts from the above.

The entities that produce high-end Seikos are already exceedingly distinct from the quartz shitter department, so it makes no sense.

High-end watches are products you buy out of emotional considerations; slapping a generic logo on there defeats the purpose.

>>60854368
It was good from keeping plebtastic brand whores away from some of the best made production watches on Earth.

I'm actually quite disappointed they dropped the Seiko logo from Grand Seiko to cater to morons like you.

>>60855165
>High-end watches are products you buy out of emotional considerations; slapping a generic logo on there defeats the purpose.
Emotionally unstable and inferior consumers. Aka small minded americans.

>>60854976
YOU are the target market for the modern marketing driven watch huckstering industry, FYI. It's because if assholes like you that 90% of modern watchmakers see manufacturing as a cost center and marketing as the only revenue driver.

>>60855166
Me too. Grand Seiko still has Seiko in in so it's not like it was even a big change, now they all look off balance for nothing.

>>60855022
Citizen's entire design department should be ritually crucified. I hadn't even considered the Grand Classic as it is IMHO hideous.

>>60855125
What if I told you that each product line, and even each individual model, can be seen as a sub-brand, and that you expect consistency within sub-brands.

>>60855166
>It was good from keeping plebtastic brand whores away from some of the best made production watches on Earth.
Niggers can not imagine having a nice thing and not wanting EVERYONE to know about it. Stealth wealth would be one of the most alien and crazy concepts to them. That's why they'd rather have a fake Rolex than a real Grand Seiko.

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>>60854447
>gorilla watchmaking

>>60855166
Protip: the branding they're using now is much closer to the original Grand Seiko branding.

But I'm the moron, lmao.

>>60855177
Tell me all about how you buy mechanical watches for their functionality.

>>60855181
You're an idiot.
Branding has been used since olden times to distinguish bad from good.

>>60855188
>>60855166
>S E I K O
>GS
>Grand Seiko

The outgoing style was redundant and ugly.

>>60855111
You constantly see people in watch discussions pine for pre-Swatch Omega as one of the greatest series production watchmakers of all time.

Seiko is literally the Japanese equivalent of pre-Swatch Omega, and they were head to dead competitors in era. Anyone who doesn't accord the respect to Seiko they would to Omega before it was ruined by Swatch is just demonstrated their horological ignorance.

>>60855243
>Seiko is literally the Japanese equivalent of pre-Swatch Omega
Actually, they're both pre-Swatch Omega and Swatch Omega all in one.

>>60855208
A model is a model. It comes from a single manufacturing and assembly process. We can expect consistency because when you use the same materials and subject them to the same processes you get the same result.

That's different from your idea of "but it's good because this person made it!" You calling a model a "sub-brand" is you trying to confuse this issue by conflating two different things. This just shows your lack of intellectual ability.

>>60855199
Really the chapter ring is the only problem, the rest is dragged down by it. The finishing (done completely by hand) is really fucking top notch though.

>>60855218
>Tell me all about how you buy mechanical watches for their functionality.
Tell me about how idiots who throw all reason and rationality they use normally use when making purchases out the window just because something is "high-end" and then rely solely on emotions.

Turns out in reality brandwhores are brandwhores regardless of the situation. It could be buying something cheap and necessary, or expensive and for convenience.

>>60855243
I'll count that as a vote for Seiko fanboys

>>60855218
>I'm just going to present that branding hasn't been turned into a weapon against consumers in the last 40 years and that today most brands see manufacturing strictly as a cost center to.be minimized because it's the marketing that is the revenue driver by pleb catching the uninformed and getting them to spend $4,000 on a rose gold TAG

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>>60855218
Which Grand Seiko models besides the 3180 used that style of logo? Oh, right, actually every other Grand Seiko and King Seiko used the twin logos.

>>60855308
When you buy a watch for emotional reasons (which is 100% of mechanical watch buyers), having a generic logo makes no sense.

>>60855318
Grand Seiko is also a branding though.

Whether you use a generic logo with an exclusive sub-logo, or just an exclusive logo; the marketing trap is just as great a possibility.

>>60855369
I said the "original Seiko branding", which is simply factually correct.

Cry more.

>>60855259
Stop being a faggot.

A brand comes with expectations
A model comes with more specific expectations

Conceptually, they are no different, except on the level of the expectations.

And no, you cannot trust all specimens of the same model to be made with the same process to the same standard. Large companies will distribute production over several suppliers with different equipment, process layouts, and internal quality standards, and you will never know where and how the item you got was produced.

>>60855372
>When you buy a watch for emotional reasons (which is 100% of mechanical watch buyers), having a generic logo makes no sense.
This is one of the least intelligent things I've read in a long time. Someone's emotional reasons could be based on anything, including liking the logo.

You have no point you're making, you're just asserting your own view and stating it's correct.

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>>60842274
indiglo is quite nice.
this Casio's light seems too, to be quite nice.

>>60855389
>A brand comes with expectations
Based on a nigger thinking their a "good brand."
>A model comes with more specific expectations
Based on the specifications and performance of the model.

You've made a complete ass of yourself this thread. Great job.

>>60846857
don't get the avi8, limited edition gshock, Timex Chrono or that reactor watch.

>>60855372
>I'm going to pretend I don't see the difference between branding which isn't designed to manipulate my perceptions of the "value" or "prestige" of a watch brand via marketing, and branding which doesn't even attempt to do such a thing and which I am literally in the process of arguing fails to do that thing.

Trying to simultaneously claim that Seiko fails to brand its watches in a way to convey their stairs while also trying to claim that Grand Seiko is a brand as much as any other and just as susceptible to being manipulated by advertising is proof of bad faith in your part, and you can feel free to fuck right off.

>>60855408
Having a 5k high-end mechanical watch with the exact same logo as your little sister's shitty quartz is a gimmick.

Sure, people might like that kind of thing, and luckily for them the product is there.

For me, it defeats the purpose of paying a lot of money for a nice watch.

>>60855472
*Their status

>>60855476
So you're saying the logo is the most important thing about your expensive watch.

>>60855472
Grand Seiko is branding very much like Rolex or Omega are.

From one day to the next, Seiko could decide to start cutting corners on the Grand Seikos, but keep the same pricing.

The fact that Grand Seikos (used to) have the generic S E I K O logo on there does not protect them from that.

Cry and try all you want, it will not change this simple fact.

>>60855476
>Having a 5k high-end mechanical watch with the exact same logo as your little sister's shitty quartz is a gimmick.

Do you understand what the word gimmick means?

The reason a 5k mechanical and little sisters quartz has the same logo on them is because that's the logo of the company who made it. Wow, what a shock.

>Sure, people might like that kind of thing
I'm glad you now recognize the shit you had been trying to argue for was really your own immature emotionalisms.

>For me, it defeats the purpose of paying a lot of money for a nice watch.
That's because you're an idiot. But that's okay, you'll never have the money for one of those watches anyway.

>>60855515
What a dumb thing to say.

>>60855522
>The reason a 5k mechanical and little sisters quartz has the same logo on them is because that's the logo of the company who made it. Wow, what a shock.
The same business entity, yes.

>That's because you're an idiot. But that's okay, you'll never have the money for one of those watches anyway.
Nerdrage.

>>60855539
>Nerdrage.
Is that your response to being confronted with the truth?

You're the applefaggot who wont buy a product with the dell logo on it. Dell could make a monitor or any other device, and they could make it the best in the world, and at a great price. But the dell logo would just mean you would never buy it.

>>60855522
Literally "hurrr u dumb & poor": the post.

>>60855563
>can't read
small minded American

>>60855562
>Is that your response to being confronted with the truth?

What makes you think that it's the truth that I'm an idiot and poor?

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>>60855519
(You)

>>60855461
yeah those are the exact 4 I was gonna take off the list desu

bummer about the avi-8, I love that color scheme

>>60855583
Did you have an argument?

Or did you think I was saying Grand Seikos are shitty?

>>60855574
That's literally what you said though, lmao.

>>60855581
>What makes you think that it's the truth that I'm an idiot and poor?
Probably your posting itt.

I didn't even say you were poor. That's your own word. All I speculated was you don't have the kind of money someone has when spending 5k on watches.

I mean, we all know applefaggots tend not to have a lot of money.

>>60855615
You said I'll never have the money to buy a 5k watch, but you didn't say I was poor?

>>60855627
I'm not sure what you're not understanding here. There are lots of people who are not poor, but 5k watches will never be in their budgets.

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>>60855598
(You) already revealed you are arguing in bad faith, and I already told you to fuck right off. What part of this did you not understand?

>>60855649
You said I'd never have the money though.

You didn't say "you'll never allocate the budget".

>>60855658
>you are arguing in bad faith
Because you said so?

And explain why you're trying to refute "Grand Seiko is branding" with a pic of a nice Grand Seiko anglage.

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>>60855678

>>60855649
Spotted the poorfag

>>60855678
Money exists in a budget. What I'm telling you is that your discretionary spending will never allow for it.

Yes, most anybody could stop putting money away for retirement, drain their emergency fund or stop paying debts and then blow it on something they can't really afford. Is that what you're arguing? If you really wanted to you could be very irresponsible and get one?

>>60855730
So you were saying I was too poor to afford a 5k watch.

>>60855747
I like how you just changed from arguing that I said you are poor, and now you've changed it to "too poor." You want to be able to use that word, even if you are using it in an entirely different way.

Like, in the same way we're all "too poor" to afford to build a rocket and lunar module to fly ourselves to the moon. You really think if you use the word "poor" your argument will mean something?

>>60855591
take some more off the list. you don't need that many watches. I'm assuming you're just getting into the hobby. have each watch you get fill a role. then if you really like it get multiple watches in the same style.

>>60855730
Since you don't know anon's identity, you may as well cease the personal attacks about his spending potential.

I just read the end of this thread and would like to propose something. We should henceforth have two wt's. One for normal adults and one only for Seiko fans. This way one thread can be normal and the other thread can be full of delusional Seiko owners and pictures of alpinists. We will have a wt and a st.

>>60855780
"Poor" is always relative.

You were saying I was "too poor" to afford a 5k watch; and you doubled down by saying this was "the truth".

Do you realize how much of a shitposter you are?

Or do you honestly believe you are putting up a logical defense of Seiko branding?

>>60855784
Lets not pretend the kind of people who come to /wt/ and say shit like "ohh I would be so interested in a 5k watch but you know the branding is slightly off!" or "Yeah, I'd be all over that rolex but the branding on the rehaut means I'm just just going to stick with my vostok!" are not just lying to themselves.

>>60855782
yeah that was the idea. Added a shitload I like the look of and then as I learn more about the individual brands and watches as a whole I would take some off

>>60855821
No need to pretend, I actually am in the market for a 5k watch, and branding is pretty important to me.

I'll stay away from overly generic and overly exclusive names.

>>60855820
>"Poor" is always relative.
Then you'll always be poor, relatively.

>Or do you honestly believe you are putting up a logical defense of Seiko branding?
I did, but you didn't actually respond to anything anyone said to you on the subject.

I mentioned multiple things and called you an idiot. You didn't respond to those multiple things, you just wanted to try and act the victim about being called an idiot. It's called cherry picking. You have systematically ignored anything that refuted you.

Actually some more suggestions, only get one gshock, get rid of one or both of the Zeppelin, pick one of the flight watches, get rid of the timex weekender, and that klassic. I'd say do a little more research because when I started buying watches I wanted to buy any watch I remotely like. but quality is always better than quality.

>>60855829

>>60855877
That's what happens when you start using personal insults.

Makes you look stupid too.

>>60855883
I already have one g-shock so I'll get rid of the LE just for that, already got rid of the skagen and timex. Also the tissot

not really sure why I posted it before trimming all the fat off lmao

>>60855895
>That's what happens when you bring up unrelated things, I'm able to respond to just those and act like other things were never posted.

You acted like an idiot, and got called one. It's that simple. While you did use that as an online tactic of ignoring everything else that was posted, it doesn't invalidate it.

>>60855877
>Seikofags shitting up the thread as usual
Too much owl penis in your butthole?

>>60855919
You started using personal insults, but I was the one acting like an idiot?

>>60855919
Also, point me to a single point of yours that I ignored.

>>60855934
Yes. You expressed flawed views multiple times even after being shown to be incorrect by myself and other posters. That is idiotic. And even if you feel insulted by that being pointed out, it is true.

>>60855946
Scroll up.

>>60855960
>You expressed flawed views multiple times even after being shown to be incorrect by myself and other posters.

Literally "I won": the post.

>>60855987
That the best you could come up with?

>>60855960
Before you started using personal insults, I made the point about Seiko being a business entity.

An expensive watch made with such care deserves more than simply a reference to a business entity.
The name should reflect the aspirations that resulted in the watch, which are radically different from the aspirations that result in cheap plastic quartzes with derivative designs.

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Cancelled my order for a Fossil Grant Skeleton on Massdrop.

How badly did I fucked up?

> Hey mom, I'm having a childish argument on an anonymous message board. I'm so cool.

>>60855993
... says the guy calling other people idiots and poor.

>>60856049
You did the right thing anon.
Now, don't buy a Seiko instead; we have enough faggots in the thread.

>>60856086
I'm still looking for a sub $100 skeleton watch though. Any suggestions?

>>60856134
Look for a different kind of watch

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>>60854989

Anyone ?

>>60856134
You shouldn't want one, but try Aliexpress or ebay

>>60856134

I know taste is subjective, but you should reconsider your partiality for skeleton watches.

>>60856134
Swatch YAS100G
Richfags wear ugly swatches ironically, so you don't look like a pleb by wearing one.

Then you can realize how shit skeleton watches are and save up for a better piece.

>>60856144
>>60856168
Well, there's a non-skeleton I think looks pretty nice. But I still would love to wear a skeleton or open-heart one for once. Just curious how it'd feel like.

>>60856177
>>60856224
I heard that cheap skeleton watches aren't of good quality usually, is that why? Or is really a matter of tastes and preferences after all?

>>60856248
Skeleton watches are inelegant, specifically designed to show off animated details.

Better to go for something restrained that you could wear with confidence in most situations. Most likely a diver, a flieger, or a dress watch.

>>60856356
You're right. Most of the time I just want to fascinate myself with the animations but sometimes I thought of showing them off as well.

I'll think again but I'm always open to suggestions of any kinds/types that's at most sub $150.

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>>60856356
Different watches are suitable for different purposes. I'd argue that having an unobtrusive everyday watch (which is either dressy or casual, depending on what someone's average day looks like) is the most useful first watch to have, followed by a beater/diver for rough or wet situations. I do think there's a place for skeleton watches. Skeleton watches get a bad reaction for a few reasons. Often (especially with the steampunk fashion), they are absolutely bottom-barrel movements in terms of accuracy, reliability, and finishing, and often in very large size (see, for example, any akribos or KS skeleton watch). Skeletonizing a movement in an attractive manner is a lot of work, and tends to decrease the legibility of a watch. But well-done skeletons are excellent and there's no need to avoid them.

>>60856532
He wanted a watch for $100, not to spend ten times that amount.

>>60856586
>ten times that amount.
a hundred times that amount

>>60856604
>a hundred times that amount

a thousand times that amount

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R8 my purchase
Was looking for a GMT watch cause I'm gonna be out of the country for 2 months, and this was the cheapest I could find.

Apperently it also has an AR coated sapphire crystal

>>60856622
> a thousand times that amount
five thousand times that amount

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Does anyone know of a perpetual calendar quartz diver type watch?

thanks

>>60856532
Thanks for the input. I'll keep that in mind. I still believe there's a place for skeleton watches like you said. But to make matters easier, especially on the accuracy and reliability aspects of the watch, I will most likely skip them for now.

By the way, what do you people think of Stuhrling watches?

>>60856878
cheap. not the best thing you can get in their price range. not built to last.

kinda meh.

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REEEEEEEEEEE Why can't there be a slightly smaller Orient Diver?

>>60856878
Stuhrling watches do not have a good reputation. Very poor QC and reliability.

If you want a modern mechanical watch in the hundred dollar range, the easiest thing is to just go to http://www.watchsleuth.com/seiko5finder/ and pick the one you like best.

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Anyone know if the Seiko SNK's are unisex? I'm tempted to get my gf and I matching watches and thought this would make for a good first automatic, but I seiko 5 women's look nothing like this, at least not that I've found

>>60855787
>>60856086

This

>>60856980
Don't buy your gf a fucking Seiko

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>>60856671
Not bad for what it is. The swiss army quartz watches aren't bad if you can get them for what they're worth (like, really cheap). They certainly don't feel flimsy. I always wanted one of the ones that had an led flashlight but never got around to it.

High legibility which will help when you're hurrying through terminals and train stations or whatever, presumably passable lume for when you wake up in unfamiliar surrounds.
"Unisex" model so presumably it's not a 45mm dinnerplate and so more discrete and versatile.

I think you did well, and the GMT design is as it should be: neat and legible. The 24hr hand could be a little more substantial though.

Though I prefer analog, and it depends on styling and where you're going and what you're doing and all that, I still think that a g-shock is the best travelling watch you can buy, if you're backpacking or going to a dodgy area no one is going to give a shit and there's less risk of theft in general.
Solar, and radio for changing timezones. Alarms and all that stuff.

When I dropped my auto (fell out of the hotel safe because I was in a hurry) I was glad that I had packed my g-shock as a backup. The countdown timer was particularly useful for timing when I had to be at an airport or a station.

>>60856980
pretty much unisex if she's not too prissy

and if she's a big girl*

might not be good if she's 5'0

>for you

>>60857007
Why?

>>60857023
/wt/ has it firmly stuck in their minds that all grils are basic bitches that get all frothing at the gash over michael kors watches and that other fashion junk.

>>60857023
Ignore the anti Seiko troll. If she likes it then get her one, it'll be cute to have matching watches.

>>60857036
My girlfriend is sorta like that and has a wishlist full of Betsy Johnson watches, but she does wear lots of blue clothes and ocean themed jewelry and that watch seems like it would be a good fit, plus it's not a cheap quartz watch

>>60857023
Why would you buy your gf a 50 dollar watch? Save more money up don't blow money on a shitter. Unless you are 16 don't buy that watch. The ladies Seiko's that are a reasonable price/size have a really shitty movement and QC issues. Don't take my word go check reviews.

I am a cute litte girl and i wear a seiko

^_^

>>60857046
I am not anti Seiko I love seiko... I just wouldn't get a female one or an snk .... You probably get so many trolls because yourre so blind by your fandom that you can't admit that a Seiko may not be the best buy

>>60857163
>>60857163

>>60857153
>>60857071
You're starting to sound like a retard, and the reviews are overwhelmingly positive for the SNK

I'm not trying to buy a dress watch, just the novelty of having matching watches with my girlfriend and a watch I can wear to work

>>60857182
Ladies Seiko's not the snk reviews and you are a fucking idiot that Malay 7s26 is a hunk of shit.

>>60856901
>>60856923
Yeah. Amazon reviews shows sub 4 stars for a lot of their products. Kinda disappointed since Stuhrling is really easy to find locally in my country.

Also, thanks for the link. I'll check it out.

>>60856907
41.5 too big for you?
The new Nami looks amazing but it's 45mm, that's too bad.

>>60856980
every watch is unisex.