/mkg/ - Mechanical Keyboard General

How hard is it to modify an ergodox?

I have had it with my Razer Orbweaver and it's crappy quality and construction.

Basically I want to wire a four way switch that recognizes 8 directions and control what the 8 inputs do with the software.

And if you don't know, where should I ask?

I have a ducky shine 3 and wanted an aftermarket aluminum case for it. I never got around to it due to the warranty, but it's like 3-4 years old now so I doubt the warranty is there anymore. It was also pretty expensive last I remember..

Are there any cheap aluminum housing available for it?

Install. Gentoo

I like keyboards

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>>60821322
Thank you
So nice
Nice board

I want more keyboards

>>60821468
I recommend Gentoo

How long does it take tp get used to a 60% keyboard? Will be getting my pok3r today coming from a g710+.

>>60821187
just get a pro micro clone from china and set it up to send whatever inputs you want

>>60821549
couple days to get used to where the Fn layer mappings are. Couple weeks to get it to become second nature

should I get the noppo Lolita?

recc me a keeb that has a dip switch to swap ctrl and capslock. I only know the HHKB and KUL ES

>>60821549
I went from a fullsize blackwidow to a Pok3r and I don't think I'll ever go back to fullsize keyboards again.

>>60822462
You could get a Pok3r and just use a new layer.

>>60822462
Does it have to be a dip switch specifically or will a fully programmable TADA68 work

>>60822745
I've got a hardon for dip switches

Can someone describe the difference in typing with OEM profile vs Cherry profile keycaps?

>>60822462
Magicfore 68 or the 82

Is 60% good for productivity? I kind of dismissed them in favour of 75% at first but I've been reconsidering lately.

Mainly going to be used for gaming, programming and shitposting. I have been trying to use vim more so maybe I can make do without all the usual cursor control keys, but having to press two keys just for function keys seems annoying.

How does one go about creating their own keyboard? Getting the frame right seems like the biggest issue to me.

>>60822972
Everything is closer together, but the function layers will become second nature. It even saves milliseconds where you would be moving your hand around the keyboard and looking for the keys.

>>60823018
First ask your self. Do you want plate mount or PCB mount. If you go with plate mount, then you don't need a PCB so you can handwire the whole thing together. After picking the switches you get a controler, or if you went with PCB mount many of those already have the controler built in. Now you get a case. You can just get a piece of wood and shape it how you want, or go to a place that has a CNC and have them cut you an acrylic case.

>>60823025
Huh, so just a matter of getting used to it then.

And recommendations? I'd prefer something with programmable layers if possible (I have no idea if this is widespread or very niche), and not too expensive. Britbong if it matters.

>>60823125
>Do you want plate mount or PCB mount. If you go with plate mount, then you don't need a PCB so you can handwire the whole thing together.
Do you just glue the switches to an aluminium plate or something then? Or what do you do?

>Now you get a case. You can just get a piece of wood and shape it how you want, or go to a place that has a CNC and have them cut you an acrylic case.
How do you get it to the right spacing and shit though? I haven't found any standard sizings for these, while there definitely are standards for them.

>>60823156
>Do you just glue the switches to an aluminium plate or something then? Or what do you do?
No its a plate that the switches snap into
>How do you get it to the right spacing and shit though? I haven't found any standard sizings for these, while there definitely are standards for them.
Its a case, so just measure the size of the PCB or plate and build something that will fit it. There are standard parts, unless you want something custom.

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>>60822462
The new poker 2 on amazon has a dip switch that does that

>>60823233
Oh okay, now I get it. Thanks for the info, that looks pretty doable then as long as I can find a decent 75% plate and controller.

>>60822826
Cherry profile is much shorter, so you don't need to hold your fingers up as high. It's actually really noticeable, they feel like half the height. I'd highly recommend cherry profile, having used OEM most of the time before getting some enjoypbt caps.

Why do people use numpads? I've literally never touched mine, ever.

Is it just for spreadsheet data entry?

>>60823371
I prefer it for most number entries above 3 or so numbers, and I really like it if I need to calculate something really quick. It's just something I grew accustomed to though.

>>60823392
Fair enough. Personally I would probably never move my hand away from the main keyboard just for something like that.

>>60823156
I'm going through building one myself, anon, so I can answer these questions:

>Getting the frame right seems like the biggest issue to me
It's not that bad in practice. Here's what to do:

1. Go to http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/, choose a preset, and start removing, adding, or moving around keys.

2. When you like the layout, click on the "Raw data" tab

3. Copy the raw data and paste it in the "Case layout" field at the top of http://builder.swillkb.com/

4. builder.swillkb.com will have several adjustment options, but has great explanations for all of them if you click on the little question marks

5. When you're done, click on "draw my cad". It will give you a bunch of .svg or .dwg files that you can send to a company that cuts metal or acrylic

6. Take the .svg or .dwg files and send them to a company that does custom metal or acrylic cutting, and they'll make a perfect plate for you. (There's a link to lasergist.com, for example, on builder.swillkb). If you're lucky and have access to a laser cutter or 3d printer, you can even make the case yourself and save tons of money.

7. Alternatively, just buy a pre-made empty case, plate, and PCB, but then your options will be much more limited to things like the ergodox or 40% meme shit like the planck KB.

>>60823156
>>Do you want plate mount or PCB mount. If you go with plate mount, then you don't need a PCB so you can handwire the whole thing together.
>Do you just glue the switches to an aluminium plate or something then? Or what do you do?

The question about plate or PCB mount is kind of misleading. There's no difference, "PCB mount" switches still have the small clips that let them snap into a 1.5mm plate. The only difference is that PCB-mount switches have a couple extra plastic nubs on the bottom that you can safely and easily snip off if they're in your way.

If your plate is thicker than 1.5mm you'll probably need to glue them down or, (much better than glue) solder them to a PCB.

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>>60823371
try doing anything that requires a lot of numbers and you'll see why you'd want a numpad

>>60823520
This. I can't stand using keyboards without them

>>60823520
Where in the hell does that thing you're making go in a keyboard?

On another note, I always wondered why solidworks ended up with so much market share when inventor was far easier to use.

>>60823520
I fully believe you could learn to be fast enough with the regular number row to be able to input numbers like that without issue.

>>60823606
Sure you could be "fast enough", but it's never going to match the speed and ergonomics of actually typing on the numpad. See, look at how fast I can type this:
123456789.0987654321

>>60823606
I'll also add that using the numpad is great for applications like 3D modeling where heavy mouse usage is essential--it's generally much easier to move one hand between the mouse and the numpad than it is between the mouse and the number row.

Also, the numpad makes a great secondary set of directional buttons. Blender 3D, for all the faults with its terrible UI, does a great job utilizing the numpad to control the 3D view.

>>60823694
Okay, that is actually a use case for one handed input. I already considered it (miles) better if you only could use one hand, but I could only think of being lazy.

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>>60823592
>Where in the hell does that thing you're making go in a keyboard?
Nowhere, it's not for a keyboard

pic related, it's the first iteration of it after some stress testing

>>60823481
Thanks a lot. I was hoping for an easy to use tool like this, but I assumed it just wasn't available.

>>60823622
Nani?!? H-He's fast!

So these threads are just about being consumer whores? Good to know you all are fucking cunts.

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>>60825326
you must be blind

>>60823694
>it's generally much easier to move one hand between the mouse and the numpad than it is between the mouse and the number row.
Why not get an MMO mouse with a numpad?

>b-but muh GAYming shit!
They're not going to bite you. They generally have good build quality and sensors, and come in a variety of shapes for your favourite meme grip.
I personally am not a fan but then I don't use a numpad at all. I have a friend who swears by them though.

>>60825438
That sounds like a terrible way to input numbers mate.

>>60825438
With autocad software having full number pad is much easier to work with then whatever janky solution your friend swears by.

Holy shit, are we back to debating this?
Is it SO hard to understand that some job require inputting a lot of numbers and some jobs barely ever require you to do that?
Same as how a 60% board just doesn't make sense for a non-programmer.
It al boils down to picking the best tools for your specific needs.
Can we move on already?

>>60825716
I don't think we were debating that. We were debating if a number pad is faster. Personally, I still don't think it's faster if you have two hands on the keyboard.
How does a 60% even help a programmer? Only real benefit I see for a smaller form-factor is easier mouse access, something a programmer needs even less.

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>>60825754
>He doesn't know
For programming the smaller the keyboard the better your code is.

>>60825754
>How does a 60% even help a programmer?
It's not that it helps a programmer so much as a programmer has an easier time adapting to a 60% board with little reduction in productivity.
I mean, I tried vim and emacs before. With those, you only need the home row.
Plus, despite how much /g/ hates Apple. most programmers LOVE minimalism.

>>60825326
We have good jobs.
We make good money.
So we use that money to make ourselves happy in a healthy way.
Fuck off, poorfags.

>>60825387
Do you buy your plates for mounting switches or do you print those as well?

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>>60825870
THIS 100%
I hate it when poorfags think their onions matter.
I bought pic related with the tips I made from working as a gas station attendant in just one day.

>>60825940
kek

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>>60825940
But my onions are cool man.

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>>60825939
I'd probably have to get something laser-cut, or have a ton of support, if I wanted to make something larger, but the numpad plate is 3D printed. Works pretty well, it's handwired and the case is so compact that there's literally no flex whatsoever.

>>60825832
What's wrong with Apple isn't minimalism, it's the lack of customisation.

Bloat is heresy, and minimalistic ganoo+linux is all the rage

>>60825870
>>60825940
I love it how people use money to invalidate other people's arguments. News flash - wasting silly amounts of money on a product you don't need doesnt make you an all knowing being.

>>60826274
Man it must really suck being so poor. You can never enjoy the fine things life has to offer.

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>>60826274
>wasting silly amounts of money on a product you don't need doesnt make you an all knowing being.
please stop you're making me feel uncomfortable

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>>60825438
If I were constantly typing 1-digit numbers, then sure an mouse with a numpad may be helpful. But honestly apart from that, I have no idea how typing multi-digit numbers using only your thumb can possibly be faster than even using a 40% memeboard.

Also, the numpad isn't just numbers. Having the -, ., and enter all make it fast to input equations or dimensions.

>>60826348
The resident australia cunt consistently shows himself to be the only tripfag with OK taste (for now)

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>>60826403
I got those love life figurines from crane games I swear

I'm not strayan though

>>60822972
>having to press two keys just for function keys seems annoying
this

when you have both hands on your keyboard it's alright i guess but if you use a mouse it's nice to have dedicated keys and a 75% board only takes up an extra row and column of space

>>60826274
you can get a decent entry-level mechanical keyboard for $40 or less. and one with top tier keycaps for $75-100.

>>60826457
Huh, for some reason I got the wrong impression you were strayan (maybe complaining about shipping or something). You're still a cunt, though, in the australian sense.

Where can I find http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/samples/pkb.json ? Searching for "programmer's keyboard" is not very helpful

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>>60827797
you too anon-kun

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>>60821088
Guys they are selling jamesdonkey gateron keyboards(TKL) for around 40 usd right now on gearbest. GoGoGo.

No, but honestly these keyboards are amazing for the price. Front plate is metal, but the backplate is plastic. Cable is detachable and a micro usb cable not a mini. There are basic color functionalities and only one color. No clattering at all when I tested. Overall still, an excellent price for a gateron keyboard.

There is my review go.

>>60827968
Looks disgusting.

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>>60828049
Well the keycaps do desu. I really like this combination I did with different keycaps.

>>60827968
My brother got one, and complained that the back of the case wasn't quite level, so it wobbled. Any problems like that with yours?

Even if it's wobbly, it still seems like a great deal to me, honestly.

>>60828222
I never had anything like that. I just wish it was a bit more elevated but when I compared my turtle beaches cherry mx keyboard with it, it was around the same height.

>>60827879
maltron is a bit similar

>>60827879
http://iandoug.com/?cat=12

>>60828222
tell him to put it flat on the desk without the feet flipped out

if it's still wobbly, make sure it's the keyboard and not the desk, place it on a kitchen counter or something and see if it's still wobbly

could try bending the keyboard gently

>>60828307
Shame, no new posts in a long while

So which keycap is the thiccest
Gateron > Vortex > NPKC> Taihao?

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How is a mech keyboard with an aesthetic that's primo hipster bait only end up at 100 bucks? Something is fucky. Did anyone ever get this?

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>>60828958
Those keycaps are only around 30 bucks dude... They are not that expensive. Plus they are probably not selling specifically to the american market yet.

>>60828958
the keycaps suck and the keyboard looks like some generic cheap chink board

you can get just the keycaps if you want

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DIY-key-cap-Retro-steam-punk-typewriter-mechanical-keyboard-keycap-108-104-87-keys-for-gaming/32802113849.html

>>60829019
>>60829030
Fair enough. I don't know that much about mechanical keyboard, I mean I'm still using a corsair from before I knew wtf I was doing. I'm prob due for an update soon.

>>60829041
Go exploring, but only look for gateron or cherry switches specifically. The others are all just terrible.

>>60823247
how would you rate that mouse.
its been tempting me a lot lately

>>60829054
g502?
It is good for gaming.... I mean it kinda depends on if you like it in your palm or not. All of them are different. I prefer a zowie mouse since it is the closes thing to the old microsoft mouse that is on the market.

>>60829054
Not that anon but it's pretty good. Sensor is one of the best, can't complain about the shape either.
I came from a G700s and I prefer the latter's shape, but I know a lot of people don't. I also prefer the G700s's scroll wheel. But the G502 is a lot lighter.

If you don't need buttons though consider G403

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>>60829041
these have a good bang for the buck depending on what you're looking for and your budget

https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/tada68-mechanical-keyboard-gateron-swtich-65-layout-dye-sub-keycaps-cherry-profils

or

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9W13T94457
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mechanical-keyboard-pbt-keyboarded-a-large-black-keyboard-keyboarded/32740037614.html

>>60829128
I wouldn't get the 2 keyboards you recommended just because the keycaps for those layouts are an absolute bitch to find. just get a tkl like the james donkey that some anon recommended. They are amazing for 40 bucks.

>>60829053
I'll look around, will probably post again once I narrow it down some.

Are there cheapo (~$50) keyboard with cherry clears out there?

>>60829168
craigslist? No that is asking for too little desu. Cherries are premium expensive and top of it all you want clears, one of the rare switches. That is going to be though to find.

>>60825940
>WTF.png
No you didn't.

>>60829168
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/87-keys-mechanical-keyboard-TKL-tenkeyless-gaming-mechanical-keyboard-cherry-mx-brown-blue-red-87-compact/32285359058.html

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>>60825940

Regarding these keyboards with programmable keys or RGB lightning (iKBC, Pok3r, Ducky, ...) do the settings persist when you unplug the keyboard or do they only have volatile memory?

>>60829257
the cheapest ones (james donkey etc) don't have persistent memory but the ones you mentioned do have it

just got a james donkey tkl with black gaterons and I'm really enjoying it
the thing does not flex
>>60829272
how is the build qaulity so high if this thing is so cheap?
Is it because no one wants yellow all over their desk like bob the builder?

>>60829551
Honestly no idea. Probably aesthetic reasons and the name of the brand is just stupid. However that shit is solid. I have no idea why it isn't well known.

>>60829724
If the creators weren't fucking autistic, then yeah, these would sell probably well
could probably beat someone to death with this thing and then still be able to type on it

>>60829155
>Budget of $150 at most
>USA, south
>Switches: not super picky, liked clear, green.
>ANSI
>Form factor 100%
>Nice but not required.
>Current: Corsair K70 RGB w/ browns. Is pretty middle of the field from what I've tried.
>Previous: Razer Blackwidow (got from a friend for super cheap, it didn't last long)

I did some looking around and this one seemed to catch my eye, both aesthetically and mechanically, but it's got no reviews which is a little iffy. https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2111

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>>60829272
Thanks!

Now the only question left is: white or black key caps with RGB? Feels like the colors look less pronounced with white caps because the white diffuses light so much.
Not that it's very imported, I'm probably never using the backlights after the first day ever again. Nevertheless don't want to regret my decision later.

Any opinions?

>>60829811
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/code-keyboard/code-104-key-mechanical-keyboard.html 155 so close
all other options from mech keyboard are sold out for 100% but for preorder

can someone link me an affordable model m with trackpoint?

>>60829811
That keyboard is made by Ducky who also make other great keyboards. I'd get the Ducky One with PBT keycaps instead, but if you that RGB side glow then go for it. The backlight is solid white and not RGB like the case

>>60829927
pckeyboard.com

>>60829987
>>
but an actual Trackpoint™

Anyone know why buckling springs have a rated life of 25 million clicks whereas Cherry MX lasts 50 million clicks?

Do white keycaps (doubleshot ABS) get discolored with use? I like how they look but if they're gonna get grody in a few months I'll go with black.

>>60830075
Modern buckling springs are just membrane keyboards. The older ones were capacitive which is why they are much more durable.

>>60830101
ABS will eventually develop a greasy shine from prolonged use. You'll usually see it first on the home row and spacebars.

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>>60830101
ABS turns yellow over time, but that takes a few years, and the process is reversable. Now what is worse is that after a few months of heavy use they will get shiny like pic related

>>60830422
>>60830101
Well, you should also consider your own skin/hygiene.
Mines has no signal whatsoever on WASD/SPACE in 9 months of constant usage 7 days/week with 3-6 hours of gameplay per day.
They are said to have "oil resistance paint", tho.
It's a chink Rantopad MXX, if you would like to know.

>>60830539
WASD V2 has a coating that's apparently pretty good. Their predecessors, however, were terrible.

>>60830101
Not from use, but from UV exposure. And you can remove that with a $5 bottle of salon hydrogen peroxide gel and a $5 bottle of 3m creme cleanser to fix any mistakes.

Worked on a decades old board for me just fine. You can also give them all a quick swipe with some very fine grade sandpaper to remove shine and give back some microscopic grip.

>>60830539
My everyday keyboard has a mix of Dolch and Granite DSA for strange shaped modifiers and stuff. All my ABS alphas have a bit of a shine after two years but the PBT arrows, backspace and enter that get used just as much still look brand spanking new.

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>>60829867
Me again. God I can't decide.

>>60828429
His desk is literally made out of a chunk of laminate countertop and is extremely sturdy. I'll see if he's using the feet, but hopefully I can check out his keyboard myself sometime soon, but I don't seem him that often. He's not nearly as into keyboards as me, so I actually was the one who recommended that one due to it being a cheap 80% and having gateron switches.

>>60829811
>USA
>South
>$150
>Liked heavy & clicky switches
>Full size
You meet literally all of the requirements for getting a Unicomp model M (http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/category/UltraClassic). It's all of those things you mentioned, but only $85.

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>>60821088
So goys have you given your monthly shekels to signature plastics yet?

>>60831319
I don't buy shit from memedrop, I just funnel it straight to the commies in china, while giving as little as possible to the middlemen.

i can't think of a single reason to buy a keyboard without a number pad that would persuade me.
>inb4 desk space
j would buy a bigger desk before getting a keyboard without a number pad
>inb4 portability
I would buy a bigger bag or buy a second keyboard for wherever I was regularly travelling to (assuming work) before buying a keyboard without a numpad, and I only use laptops whose keyboards have numpads

I can't imagine why anyone would disadvantage themselves so.

>>60831556
Mostly mouse placement. I don't like having my arm stretched three miles to the right.

Can I get a recommendation for a good value 60%-75% kb? I'm not looking for something super-fancy, because I can't choose what I want so I thought I'd get something average but workable to start off and then get something better (like maybe an ergodox) later.

Things that I'd need/really like:
>UK
>maybe £40-50 tops, unless there's something slightly above that with much better value
>good build quality
>good switches

Things that would be nice:
>wireless and durable enough to carry in my bag (would let me take advantage of the small form factor to use it on the go)
>programmable (I'd love me some programmable layers instead of being stuck with whatever the manufacturer thought would work)

Things I don't care about:
>RGB/backlighting (would be neat to meme around but I wouldn't pay extra or compromise on quality for it)
>switch type (since the entire point of getting this kb is that I can't decide what I really want, and that includes the switches)
>60% or 75% or in-between (again, I can't decide, so I'll take whatever is recommended for the other factors)

So, what do you recommend, /g/? I literally have no idea of the market and the only options I see right now are playing lottery with random chinkshit (and since I'm new to mechanicals, I could get some utter dogshit without realising it, end up with a terrible deal and maybe start hating mechanicals in general), or dishing out $200+ on some typist meme with customisable everything (which I don't want to do just yet).

i type on the best mechanical keyboard of all time and you are all below me

>>60831666
nah.

>>60831666
No Satan, you're below all us. That's how hell works.

>>60831563
It must suck being a manlet

don't feed the troll, let him buy/keep his fullsize keyboard, joke's on him

>>60831556
Its cheaper. If you're on a tight budget a $20 TKL mechanical keyboard makes more sense then a full size one that costs 20 bucks more. There are a few full size ones in the $30 price range, but those suck compared to the cheaper TKLs

>>60831791
Where do you sit? Centered against your alphanumeric keys, right? Well, when you've got your hand on your mouse, your posture is highly asymmetrical. Being 7'+ won't change that (although it may alleviate it slightly).

Now spend a couple of hours per day in this asymmetrical posture and bam, you now want a tkl keyboard or smaller. Or apparently you don't, which I'm guessing is because you use the numpad a lot and the mouse less so. Personally I never use a numpad so it's literally just a spacer.

>>60831864
>Centered against your alphanumeric keys, right?
the dumb shit probably has it way to the left or in a keyboard tray below the mouse

>>60831864
I'm left handed so its slightly off center to the right
>>60831885
>keyboard tray below the mouse
Does anyone actually do that? That sounds terrible

>>60831943
>I'm left handed
loooooooool then the numpad won't get in the way stupid ass but you should still have a standalone numpad so you can position it for ergonomic use with your left hand

>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162546218207
Is this chink shit worth it? It seems extremely cheap, but I can't see anything wrong with it at first glance. Should I expect the switches to be horrible or fail immediately or something?

>>60831190
What keyboards are those?

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>>60832228
>pic from the ebay page
chink shit confirmed, lol
probably a decent price, in any case

>>60832228
the price is ok depending on what the shipping costs

this is 25 points with free shipping

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Water-Resistant-VicTop-Mechanical-Waterproof-Anti-ghosting/dp/B01DBYNVSY

if you're going to use it as your main keyboard it might be ok but you should get pbt keycaps for it

>>60832806
me again nvm i have found it. thanks again.

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>100$ or less
>clicky cherry blue
>prefer full
>backlights but no rainbows unless it can be switched
>ansi

>>60833621
Ducky One
there are a few keyboards at $100
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/search.php?keyword=&brand=1&switch=&size=Full+Size&led=&capmat=&capprint=&model=&availability=in_stock_pre&show_kb=off&show_kb=on&show_acc=off

do I get black or brown switches?
black switches on paper sound ideal for me

>>60833714
yeah no
>>60833621
Corsair Strafes are pretty good
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-STRAFE-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B015A9ZDO8/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1497067881&sr=1-1&keywords=cherry+mx+blue+keyboards
I messed around with a Gskill keyboard as well. Their quality is on par with the corsair
https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-RIPJAWS-KM570-Cherry-Blue/dp/B01LZQKYZU/ref=sr_1_9?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1497067929&sr=1-9&keywords=cherry+mx+blue+keyboards

>>60834286
just go to microcenter and try out some keyboards

>Real Cherry MX Keyboard, Full Size
>56.99 USD
>https://www.amazon.com/Mileagea-Mechanical-Keyboard-Rainbow-Backlit/dp/B017XB930Q/ref=sr_1_15?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1497068018&sr=1-15&keywords=cherry+mx+blue+keyboards
Wtf is the catch here? The colors?

>>60834361
the catch is it looks like a shovel

>>60834342
if only it wasn't 10 thousand km away

>>60834378
What the fuck kind of shover do u use?

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>>60834361
Knock-off switches

>>60834393
shovel*
>>60834286
What exactly on blacks sound good on paper? Not alot of people like blacks.

>>60834407
Fuck why does Amazon let the sellers do this shit.

>>60834409
linear, heavy
I don't like clicks, and make typos, it will slow me down a bit

>>60834434
Well if you are looking at the linear variants try gateron switches. Alot of people experienced smoother typing by using gaterons.

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>>60834361
that's a funny way to spell cherry. Also why the fuck do you care if its cherry shit, when gaterons are far better?

>>60834423
Because morons don't report sellers when they get fakes.
Looked into it and according to GH, outemus are garbage, so not even a good (some say superior) knock-off like Gaterons.

>>60834459
I know gaterons are better, but I saw cherries, which are sold at a premium, for that cheap and was legitimately wondering if that keyboard was legit

Going to buy into the SA Carbon meme, should I get the standard modifiers or bone? The orange on black is so-so for me but the orange enter is nice.

>>60834627
You shouldn't get either. SA profiles are terrible to type on and the one listed on massdrop is also abs.

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>>60821088

How good is logitech's K840 mechanic keyboard? Are they any better non-gaymer keyboards out there?

https://www.logitech.com/en-ca/product/k840-mechanical-corded-keyboard?crid=27

>>60834671
Hmm, any recommendations then? The availability of PBT keycaps on the market is pretty poor.

Should I get these and swap them out for gaterons?

>E-Element Mechanical Eagle Z-77
https://www.amazon.com/MechanicalEagle-Multicolor-Mechanical-Keyboard-Replaceable/dp/B01I1N6N3U?th=1

>>60834877
>massdrop
TaiHao, NPKC, Gateron, etc
Also pst....
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/CD-ROM-Carbon-EVA-Commando-PBT-OEM-Keycaps-for-Cherry-3000-Filco-IKBC-Gaming-Mechanical-Keyboard/32808676719.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.9.i5gGXW&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10152_10065_10151_10068_10130_10136_10137_10060_10155_10062_437_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_303_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051_5030014_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10178_10110_519_10111_10112_10113_10114_10182_10078_10079_10073_10123_10189_142,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=ad1970cf-ccfb-4891-a031-e70f180c7918&algo_expid=ef9e5b07-cbba-4b2d-824d-55aca1eea9b2-1&algo_pvid=ef9e5b07-cbba-4b2d-824d-55aca1eea9b2

The legends are laser etched though. Only downside.

>>60834907
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/sanatize-your-links-newfag/32808676719.html
You can stop at the html just so you know. Also for 21 bucks you can get doubleshot PBT keycaps from ducky that are on sale right now on mechanicalkeyboards

>>60834740
was looking at it, apparently romer-g is like brown but not quite so there is a chance not to like it at all

>>60834740
Get a rosewill 9000 for 80 bucks on amazon. They usually go on sale for 60 every once in a while, but if you are impatient then its still a good keyboard for the price.

>>60834740
The switches are like MX Browns, except scratchy and sticky. I tried sticking with my G413 and it annoyed me enough to want to sell it. Plus the meme of "shorter actuation" is meaningless now that Cherry released MX Silvers.

>>60835041
you sure? I don't see it.

>>60834890
thinking of doing this too, would also like to know the answer

>>60830422
the horror....

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soon

>>60835967
That the rare full size Model F?

>>60835967
Just reminded of me that I ordered a reproduction Model F 77 key... I've been waiting fucking too long.

>>60831190
Would get it white.
Black looks like a gaymen keyboard

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Just purchased this
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/IKBC-C87-TKL-mechanical-keyboard-tenkeyless-C-87-PBT-keycap-cherry-mx-switch-brown-blue-87/818123_32580388291.html

the waiting game begins

>>60837427
What's the difference to the F87?

>>60837427
I remember the MF87 version on massdrop had short-circuit problems. You sure the others are not affected too?

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>bought a full sized mech keyboard
>if it's too far to the left my hand hits my mic
>if it's too far to the right my hand hit's the enter key on the numpad

Why didn't i listen to /mkg/?

>>60837761
If you had $100 for a new keyboard, you had $100 for a new desk, which would have improved ergonomics even more

>>60838180
Nah, desk is comfy desu

The keyboard is really long as well. i would liked it with the numpad but no arrow keys and those buttons above arrow keys

Has anyone tried building their own keyboard from chink parts? Mind sharing if it's worth doing?

>>60834361
the backlighting isn't programmable to the same extent as e.g. corsair keyboards, it's "rainbow" led not true "rgb", and the switches might not actually be cherry mx (it would have to be a different version than the pics show)

>>60837761
fullsize fags BTFO

What's the best place to buy keycaps? I'm looking for a cheapo TKL set of cherry profile pbt keycaps. Blank would be nice, but if that requires overpaying by a lot I'm fine with whatever printing.

>>60838688
UK by the way.

Christ why are custom sets so expensive. I just want my template applied to pbt keys and the schmuck on Etsy wants $20 a key

>>60838688
Gateron Blank(EnjoyPBT Blank)

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>>60838215
How about this layout.

>>60838731
https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/enjoypbt-blank-keycaps-117keys

>>60837761
I have a fullsize, and I don't see how you could possibly use the mouse ergonomically if you have the keyboard in the right position (b in the middle of the monitor). Your mouse is always way off in the distance and you have to hold your arm in a pretty awkward angle. Unless you shift your body of course, but then you're not being ergonomic either.
Looking for a custom 75% with a separate numpad myself.

how to program the tada on noonix

>>60838877
Just open the local address in your [spoiler]Chrome with Flash[/spoiler] browser and edit away?
If I can do it on a Mac, you can do it on your silly bird OS.

>>60838731
>>60838812
Nice, thanks!

>>60823622
Damn, that's fast.

You typed those as fast as I could read them.

>>60838850
I have fullsize and I don't see any problem with mouse unless you use it with very low DPI.

>>60838953
I'm not even talking about moving it, just holding it in a comfortable position. If you rest your arms normally, they reach about where the numpad and the arrow keys are. So if you want to use your mouse you need to move 10 cm to the right still, that means your arms are at an 15 degree angle as opposed to the neutral "0" degrees if you get what I mean.. This depends on your body obviously, but I don't think I got extremely narrow shoulders.

>>60838953
It's unergonomic.
It.Is.Not.Good.For.Your.Health.
What does DPI have to do with it?

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>>60838953
See pic related
(ignore the split shape of the keyboard for now. Just look at the sizing)

>>60838988
Well, depends on our body then. I could place my left hand on wasd and right hand on mouse with neutral position.

>>60839003
3200 on G502, now 2400 on CM sentinel 3.

>>60839034
>Well, depends on our body then. I could place my left hand on wasd and right hand on mouse with neutral position.
Then either your left shoulder is way smaller then your right shoulder, or you have your keyboard in the wrong position, or you just place one of your arms in a non-parallel position. For the average body, your shoulder should be at about where the numpad and arrow keys are.
>>60839028
Exactly. Though I didn't even consider the fact of needing to move your arm more, I only considered the static state of already holding your mouse.

>>60839028
>fullsize keyboard much broader than shoulder
I'm feel sorry for small people.

>>60838721
>custom
there's your problem just don't be a special snowflake and use normal keys, custom/artisan keys are tacky as fuck

>>60839240
Average mid to shoulder length is 23cm, the length from the middle of spacebar to the end of the numpad is 30cm. 23cm is right between the arrow keys and the numpad.

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>>60838953
>i don't see any problem with this

>>60838721
Why not find some way to 3D print your own? A full set of keycaps isn't a very big thing, I have no idea of the prices but I can't imagine it would cost more than maybe $100 or so. Definitely not as cheap as normal keys but way less than $20*107 = $2140.

>>60839349
I've yet to see a 3D printed object that doesn't feel disgusting to hold. They're always sticky and the layering (which will happen on a non-flat surface) is annoying as well.

>>60839363
the technology isn't quite there yet but could you imagine making baller ass double/triple "shot" custom pbt keycaps for less than $100

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzDrSBagUvY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1LkLs_h4H4

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>>60831664
Anybody?

best 60% or tenkeyless kbd up to 150$
advise please, I want to buy my first mkb, back light not necessary, I want a good quality board that can last a bit

>>60839834
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Tada68-Mechanical-keyboard-gateron-swtich-65-layout-Dye-sub-keycaps-cherry-profils-enjoypbt-keycap-cherry-profile/32807055607.html

comes with great keycaps so you don't have to upgrade them

Are Corsair keyboards really that bad, or are they ok for MX Reds gayman?

>>60839844
is the metal case necessary or the plastic is fine, the board will be typically placed over the mouse pad area on my laptop

>>60838776
I'd use it.

I've got a das keyboard with cherry blues

I like everything about the keys except how much noise they make

What are my options for quieter switches with really good tactile feedback?

>>60839921
There aren't any - enjoy the sound.

>>60839879
the plastic case is fine, it's mainly just for looks and it makes it sound a bit different. since you're placing it on top of your laptop and you might be moving it around you might prefer plastic so you don't scratch the laptop or the case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWfXSbcKTtc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IinkX0wTGjY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwUFa8oZRy0

>>60839869
Unusual bottom row and a bit overpriced.

>>60839921
Matias QC, but get them from Matias since they have the correct firmware

>>60839921
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100Pcs-Black-O-Type-Sealing-Rubber-Ring-Gaskets-5-6-7-8-9-10-2-MM/32723844616.html

get the 9x2mm (2mm thickness, 5mm inner diameter, 9mm outer diameter)

>>60839994
O-rings only reduce thock sound, not click.

>>60840021
Then use anal lube

>>60839954
thanks anon
one last question, regarding the Gateron switches, which one do you think might be the best, board will be used mainly for browsing and programming, not for gaming.

is there any thing similar to a keyboard mat, with a smaller dimensions, just to lay it on the laptop to avoid placing a mechanical keyboard over it directly.

>>60840107
either blue or brown, it depends on personal preference, to be sure you could go to a store like best buy and try typing on other keyboards (they don't have tada68 of course) with blue/brown switches while keeping in mind that gateron brown is smoother and more tactile than cherry mx brown

Hi guys, is it shit?

http://www.hyperxgaming.com/us/keyboards/alloy-fps-mechanical-gaming-keyboard

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Just waiting on my soarers converter, god i hope everything on the keyboard works

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>>60821088
So I got a carbon PBT keycap set from massdrop, the but space bar's got like.. friggin six slots on the bottom, not three like my keyboard's got. Is this because I have Gaterons and not Cherry switches? I'm using a KBParadise V60 Mini.

Everything else fits fine, so it doesn't look so bad with the black spacebar... I was just wondering what I could do here. Contact massdrop, contact the manufacturer, buy a one-off similarly colored spacebar?

>>60840332
>Is this because I have Gaterons and not Cherry switches
No I have one and it fits just fine. Make sure it slides into the right ones. The V60 doesn't have nonstandard stabilizer placement so you must have messed up somewhere.

>>60840332
it should fit just fine. post pics of both spacebars?

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>>60840332
Does it not fit in three of them? Pic related is the stock spacebar from my Pok3r.

>>60840405
>take it out of the box, slip it on, and it works
Oh.. I guess I'm retarded. Thanks, dude.

>>60840436
Wait you never bothered to see if it fits. You just saw extra slots and thought it wouldn't work?

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>>60840476
listen man, I uhh.. I don't wanna talk about it.

Sorry, late response
>>60837690
This one has no backlight. I don't really want LEDs anyway.
>>60837722
What kind of short circuit problems?

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>>60831664
>>60839773
Nobody?

>>60842653
I haven't seen the whole breadth of what's available, but I'm looking for a smallish keyboard as well. The only thing that looks decent to me is the Noppoo Choc Mini, though I'm thinking of making a custom one myself.
Then again, I don't think that really suits you, because they're not exactly the cheapest options.

>>60842700
I'm not necessarily looking for the cheapest one but yeah, that looks a bit too expensive for me. I just want something more entry-level before investing in a proper high-end one.

There's dozens available on amazon and ebay but the engrish listings and lack of reviews on nearly all of them doesn't make it easy to choose.

>>60826348
Is that all of the aku no hana manga?

>>60828089
Isn't this one the one with the kailh switches?

>>60842834
I've heard people talk about the Magicforce 82 and Magicforce 62 around here though. I have no idea if they're good, and personally I couldn't find out what the best place to buy those from would be.

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>>60842850
Yes, not that there's much merit to reading it. The dialogues are basic as shit and use the same vocabulary over and over, which isn't surprising, given how simplistic the story is. Not to mention there's not much dialogue in the first place. Out of all the mangoes I have here, it's easily the one I'd recommend the least.

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>>60842653
at that price it's hard to satisfy a keyboard enthusiast, anything in that range will have shitty keycaps at least, magicforce 68 is ok but the reason people like it is that it's a cheap decent base for putting better keycaps on and the aftermarket keycaps add $$$ to the total cost and the gateron version of magicforce is still like $60 or something

>>60842914
Thanks for the tip, I'll have a look around.

>>60843351
>at that price it's hard to satisfy a keyboard enthusiast
I would imagine, but I would also imagine there are things that come close and there are also things that are pure chinkshit (in a bad sense). I don't wanna get CHINKED.com, is what I'm saying.

I could buy keycaps though because then I get to choose exactly what I want, and also if I switch keyboards later it gives me the freedom to not have to worry about keycaps because I can transfer the ones I already have and know are good. So the magicforce does sound nice if you're saying it provides a solid base with decent switches for the price.

>>60842653
https://m.banggood.com/de/APP-Control-Anne-PRO-Blue-Red-Switch-RGB-Bluetooth-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-p-1064055.html

>>60843498
yeah i would say magicforce 68 is a good option in that case. you could go for the outemu switch version since outemu is still ok tier and it's a fair bit cheaper (30 gbp vs 50 gbp on amazon.co.uk) and if you move on to a different keyboard i'd imagine you wouldn't regret the 30 gbp purchase as much

I'm looking for something that is quiet, skookum and will outlive me. What should I get? Also with a numpad.

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>>60843498
The TADA68 is just ten bucks or so above your budget. It comes with gaterons of your choice, and some of the best keycaps around.

>>60843620
they've raised the price unless you're talking about ordering it from taobao

http://www.kbdist.com/shop/saber-68

from kbdfans it's $99

>>60825826
>$400 rubber dome

>>60842653
The problem here is that you're british so you must do a 1-1 conversion to USD when buying keyboards. I know it suck, but unless you raise your budget you aren't gonna get anything.

>>60843676
it's different because the activation point sits higher than on a membrane rubber dome. cherry style switches with thick rubber o-rings are nice too for similar reasons

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I just spent $200 on an ABS keyset

>>60843676
Its more like $180, which isn't all that bad since the old one costs more and had normal rubberdomes

>>60843620
That does actually look awesome. Am I seeing these as cherry profile sculpted PBT caps? If so then that is in fact fantastic.

What's a good place to buy it though, as it's certainly not on amazon. Is kbdfans my best choice? It's £25 above my budget there ($99 ~= £75), which I would probably be willing to pay but only if there are no better options. I've literally never touched chink sites, is taobao as >>60843652 suggested worth it/safe or am I likely to screw up?

>>60843852
kbdfans is the easiest. you could probably save $10-15 by going through taobao but i wouldn't recommend it because it's a lot of hassle, you usually have to use a proxy service which costs extra and adds time/effort and there is overall more risk of getting scammed or your package getting lost on the way.

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>>60843852
kbdfans seems to have the best price on it. The keycaps are indeed cherry profile PBT. They're enjoypbt dyesubs, 1.5mm thicc and very good quality. I have eleven or so keyboards and this one is easily the best value for the money.

>>60843937
>>60843964
Thanks, that's what I thought.

One last thing: I just checked and a set of excellent PBT keycaps from kbdfans and a gateron blue magicforce from amazon.co.uk is basically same price (within £5) as the tada68 with the same switches. So with this in mind, which one has the best base board quality?

Why the fuck are GMK sets so expensive?
Are they this much better than regular ABS caps?

>>60844022
i would say go for the tada68 if you like the way the stock keycaps look, magicforce if you want other keycaps

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>>60844022
I have a magicforce and a TADA68. Like the other anon said, if you want other keycaps, the magicforce will offer you a standard layout for which you will easily find keycaps from expensive to cheap.

Other than that, I don't see much of a reason to get the magicforce over the tada. The tada is built better and looks better imo. The layout is non-standard, but also better than that of the magicforce, and finding keycaps isn't that difficult it if you want to replace them for some reason. Not that you'd have any reason to do so unless you want a different aesthetic. Other than that, it's also fully programmable, something the magicforce doesn't offer. Unless you cut the PCB to bits and handwire it with another controller.

>>60844106
>>60844172
Thanks a ton to both of you anons (and others which might have replied ealier). I started off with no idea of what I wanted and ended up with a solid choice I know I'll like.

Aesthetically I prefer the magicforce design (flat base with keys sticking out, without an edge) but I prefer the TADA's layout. However I had completely forgotten that the tada is also programmable and that seals the deal for me. Going to order it now (or maybe tomorrow or something).

Also is >>60844172 a modded magicforce?

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>>60844242
Glad to be of service.

Yeah, I originally intended to only put other switches in, but then the pcb decided to get acquainted with a rotary blade that runs at 30K RPM

So I'm trying to buy https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/9pin-cherry-mx-switches-keyboard-tester-kit-clear-keycaps-sampler-pcb-mechanical-keyboard-translucent-keycaps-testing-tool?variant=35975866125 but when I check out, it just redirects me to paypal payment without making me select a shipping option. What does it mean? I'd like to get them sooner rather than later, so if this just means it defaults to the free shipping with no way to change that then I'd rather not. Or will it ask me to pay though paypal?
When I was looking at other stuff, generally clicking "check out" lets you select a shipping option and shows the price and stuff for that, and it still does so with other products. What's the deal?

>>60844767
i think you choose it in the paypal checkout

>>60844827
Hm, I got through all the paypal screens and now I can click "Complete order" on the kbdfans website itself with still no shipping mentioned anywhere.

I think I'll just get a tester through amazon and then get a refund after I've chosen the switches, will probably be cheaper too.

>>60844767
The same thing happened when I ordered a set of enjoypbt from there. They just ship to your paypal address or something. There were no shipping options, and shipping was included in the price (aka "free"), because the things were expensive enough.

It was confusing because I, like everyone, was used to amazon. But hey, they sent a confirmation email in a day or so and 3 weeks later my caps arrived.

>>60844891
You don't need to worry about cancelling. See >>60844915, the order went through. They just don't give you any choice for shipping. Pretty sure they just use DHL. Give it a couple days, then cancel if you don't have a confirmation email.

>>60844915
>and 3 weeks later my caps arrived.
Yeah that's what I'm trying to avoid lol

>>60844928
>Pretty sure they just use DHL
If that's the case that'd be nice. But I don't see the point of taking the gamble when I can test them out from amazon for the cost of return shipping which is like $3, and get them on Monday thanks to Prime.

>>60842595
>What kind of short circuit problems?

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/ikbc-87-rgb-mechanical-keyboard
>This includes mylar between the PCB and bottom case to resolve any short circuit/LED issues experienced with previous batches.

The MF87 has an aluminum case though.

>>60845053
Well the C87 has a plastic case, so I'm probably in luck

>>60845076
>Well the C87 has a plastic case, so I'm probably in luck
I'm just asking because I think of either getting a C or F myself. I googled for this problem but couldn't find anything other than reports related to the massdrop. However, there's not much information about these keyboards out there in general.

>>60842700
I'm looking for a Noppoo too, the choc mini 84 rgb if I'm lucky but I'm kinda sick that is a Chinese company. I mean there are other companies maybe americans or European that produce good quality MKs?

>>60845218
>maybe americans or European that produce good quality MKs?
No.

There's unicomp, though how high quality they are is arguable. Everything else is made in china or taiwan anyway. Unless you get a topre keyboard, those are still made in Japan.

>>60845218
The only European mechanical keyboards are those shitty g80s you can get for 40€. If you want 75% there is a canadian made mechanical keyboard, but its out of your budget since it has to be shipped over from canada

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>>60821088
Aw shit, I didn't see the thread and already made a new one for my question >>60845479

>>60845490
Thats not a model M that is the model F, which is better built then the model M. Adjusting for inflation the model F cost $900 back in the day, and it shows with its all metal construction, except for the PCB and keycaps. The keyboard was designed to last 50 years, but if you take good care of it, it will outlast you

>>60845554
Thanks, good to know

>>60845490
You need a $50 adapter if you want it to work with your computer. That model F usually sells for 70 bucks on ebay so if you do want one for a verry unique typing experince go for it, but keep the adapter in mind. The model F is smaller and thinner then the model F, so if desk space is cramped that is a plus.

>>60845643
Oops
Meant smaller and thinner then the model M, not F

>>60845490
>trashing a working IBM PC and just wanting to keep the keyboard

Kill yourself

>>60845643
Thanks!
Where can I get an adapter like that?

>>60845717
Nobody cares faggot, it's a old ass shit, at least the keyboard is usable

>>60845727
>Nobody cares faggot, it's a old ass shit
You're retarded. You can sell the PC and screen for 200-300 bucks.

>>60845737
>You're retarded. You can sell the PC and screen for 200-300 bucks.
You want it that much? fine, either you pay me those ridiculous numbers or I'll just tell you where I trashed it after I left out some steam on it

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>>60845753
>after I left out some steam on it
You are an idiot.

>>60845753
you must be 18 years or older to use this website

>>60845804
not him but, what has wanting to own junk to do with age? I'd say underage are more the ones to hoard useless shit

>>60845753
This is you:
http://similarminds.com/global5/rluen.html
Have a shitty life, lel.

>>60845826
No? Why? I'm a pretty happy and popular person.

>>60845835
Then this:
http://similarminds.com/global5/scuen.html

>>60845843
Kinda. I guess.

Why though?

>>60845727
>Where can I get an adapter like that?
Ask someone on geekhack to make you one. These are made on a per order bases since its a niche product.

>>60845854
It's the person type known as "Chad" here.

>>60845753
jesus christ dumb fuck at least take it to a pawn shop or something if you want to get rid of it quick

>>60845822
he's being immature.

>>60845753
^who says shit like that? children

lel, this faggot wants to trash an XT
>>60845816

>>60845862
not him, but >>60845843 is not "Chad" you faggoty

>>60845873
>pawn shop
those usually don't take computers because of privacy reasons

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>>60845903

>>60845924
>I'm a loser so everyone doing better than me must be a Chad

>>60846006
You're projecting, Chad.

>>60846019
I don't think you know what it means

not everyone is a antisocial unhappy faggot on here

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about time someone makes a video like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0FSvTYlggw

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Where can I get a keycap set for this retarded layout?
Kb is black pawn, got it when I was in Japan.

>>60846142
What's the point of making your own if you just use all stock parts?

>>60823622
fast as fuck boy

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>>60846378
It's fully programmable, and it's fun to make it yourself.

That being said, I also prefer to do most of the work from scratch, but not everyone has the same resources and knowledge, not to mention it's just good that there's an answer to people who want to build their own keyboard and have no idea how to do anything.

>>60846362
You're gonna have to order specialty sets, but a few chink DSA and cherry profile keycaps on aliexpress have those

Gateron best

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>>60846485
ThisTBHfamily

>>60846362

that's the jis layout, it'll be hard to find full layouts but if you want a bastard mix and don't mind using ansi what you can do is get a normal ansi set with iso compatibility (for the iso enter), and then you only need a handful of extra keys: a few esc keys (for backspace and the key next to it, japanese yen (I think key), and because it's a 60% with arrow keys you'll need an additional blank key or two on the arrow row to replace the utterly gimped right shift

alternatively do as >>60846468 suggests and pick up a set of DSA keys with some spare keys, since DSA has no profile you can swap keys from row to row without fucking up the profile

t. hhkb jis user

>>60845895
It's literally a piece of shit, you can't even shitpost with it

>>60846468
>>60846597
Oh I see, thank you brothers.

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>tfw you really want a hall effect kb from acepad but their QC is dogshit

>>60845490
gr8b8m8 i r8 it an 8

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I have a cm storm pic related and i really like it but i hate the gayman keycaps. Wheres the best place to get keycaps? and is this actually a good board?

>>60847335
Yuck! You need PBT keycaps ASAP. The cheapest ones with good quality are those gateron ones for 50 bucks on KBDfans website

>>60847360
what are good caps? hes looks literary like almost every other picture ITT

Where can I find a pouch/case for a 65% board, for protection when it's in my backpack?
Can I even find such a thing, or is this so niche that I will have to come up with something myself?

>>60847437
Just realised kbdfans has this: https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/collections/keyboard-part/products/pu-artificial-leather-keyboard-bag
Does anybody know if a 65% will fit in there? From the photos it looks like there's some wiggle room in the 60% pouch, but I have no idea how much give whatever material they're using has for fitting in tight fits.

>>60847435
Go feel meme status and get DSA keycaps
https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/collections/keycaps/products/dsa-dye-sublimated-legends-pbt-plastic-keycaps
or just get normal cherry profile PBT
https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/collections/keycaps/products/zero-dye-subbed-keycap-set-104key
https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/collections/keycaps/products/one-dye-subbed-keycap-set-104keys

>>60821088
Are there mechanical wireless keyboards yet? I'm finishing my bed setup soon. Wireless would be nice or at least a small one without a numpad. I'll use it for gaming and surfing.

I would prefer MX Browns. Corsair RGB could be an option if it will playback K70 LUX profiles (Is this possible?)

What's the advantage to having enjoypbt over any other set of pbt keycaps?

>>60847480
What's the point of getting DSA? Isn't it basically a special snowflake OEM?
And besides cherry profile is superior in every way

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>>60847735
DSA is uniform so you can re-arrange it however you want

Does the Apple IIc use mechanical switches?

>>60848075
yes Japanese alps

>>60848033
>that SA
Keek

>>60847727
enjoyPBT are as thick as you can get for the lowest price
thick key caps feel pretty good and who doesn't like saving money

>>60848562
>>60848562
>>60848562