IT WASN'T SUPPOSE TO BE LIKE THIS!!!

>>60817575
What are you even trying to say retard?

>>60817584
not him but it says great for high performance gaming

DELET THSISS

>>60817590
It pretty much is.

>300
Did it get another price drop?
Good god that's good value

If you enjoy stutter, go Intel

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>>60817575

it hasn't even started yet. Intel is about to get BTFO bad, they better start jewing now, and making exclusive deals with manufacturers.

Lets see if we can purge the autism for a actual, functional discussion.

So the question is this particular processor deliver high performance gaming? I believe for $50 more I can get the i7-7700k; 4.2 GHZ straight out of the box. Best this Ryzen has is 8 cores for the price. However, sticking to gaming, does any games now or in the foreseeable future utilized multi-core/parallelization? Never mind needing eight cores?

>>60817590

The fucking Threadripper releases say it's great for gaming too.

They're just calling all their consumer CPUs gaming CPUs.

Don't modern gaymes spawn 16+ threads?

Moar cores isn't such a bad idea

>>60817877
For gaming alone, I would get the i7-7700K, but I like to run more than just muh vidya games, like recording software and despite how silly this sounds I do a lot of video encoding, would be nice to do both at the same time without either really suffering much of a hit.

>>60817877
If you check any crediable benchmark ryzen is as good as 7700k in frame times.
Intel is better at FPS per core tho.
What this means you can get 60 smooth fps with ryzen but 55-65 with 7700k
so It is trade.

And yes games already use 4 cores so using 6-8 seems legit as multi-cores become more common. But 4core will still last you for 1-2 years just fine.

I use 3 monitors and run many things at once,so 8+core makes sense for me. It still does not for most people [6 does tho]

>>60817909
modern games still use 1 core

>>60817948
*posts the hamster image*

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>>60817978

>>60817978
are you a fucking retard

>>60817978
I always use more than 4 cores on doom, usage varies but it gets up to 12-16threads.

>>60817978
7/10 troll post
For getting replies

>>60817575
>8-core CPU with 3.7 max frequency
>on stock (included) cooler
>gaming performance comparable, not better, to Intel offering
>in some ways gaming performance is better (steadier frames; higher minimum FPS)
>open platform relative to Intel (no locked features)
>$300
>only three hundred (300) fucking dollars
Literally another holocaust.

>>60817877
If literally all you're doing is gaming, than the 7700k has higher framerates, but only marginally. Additionally, Ryzen has much more consistent frames, and higher minimum framrate. this means that with Intel you might hit a higher max by a few frames, but you're also drop to lower framerates than Ryzen. As far as whether games utilize multi-core; it depends. a few do, most don't need them. However, the future is definitely multi-core. Xbone and PS4 both use octa-core AMD CPUs, and they, unfortunately, drive game development.

>>60818128
lmao people have been saying that since bulldozer and look where that went

>>60818128
Different person but I'd rather have a more consistent, smoother gameplay at 60 fps instead of worrying about FPS memes. 60 is probably the smoothest anyone can see and I'd rather keep the dips in frame rates order to 60, than worrying about having that one moment where I hit 200 fps, when not only my eye can't tell the difference but the monitor (most likely) can't display it.

>>60818153
Devs are lazy. I'm sure some of those 8 cores are dedicated to the shitty OS and maybe 6 max for gaems.

>>60817575
Intel must really fear the new 16 core JEWRIPPER processor to be shilling harder than normal.

>>60818196
if that was even remotely true then you would have seen the results years ago
but it isn't, say it as much as you want but that won't make it true

>>60818188

The human eye can only perceive 30 frames per second. Why do you think movies aren't filmed at 60 fps?

>>60818153
Saying what? Bulldozer was shit. No amount of threading could have made it good. Shit multiplied by any number is just more shit. Even AMD knew it was shit. Games are utilizing more threads, and Ryzen actually has a decent architecture that can compete with Intel.

Will an 1800X beat the 7700k on games made five years from now? Maybe, maybe not. The point is, Ryzen can compete with Intel now, which is the major difference from Bulldozer, and betting on more multi-core games in the future is a better bet than none.

>>60818153
Too many kids ordering prebuilts from iBuyPower and walking around like know it all's because "I built my system"

Also those same people have no fucking sense or ability to think logically and will spend 2 grand on a system to play a game at a frame rate they can't see, or their monitor can't display, when an $800 system can do it on ultra and hold super consistent 60 fps.

Stop memeing and start thinking.

>>60818217
Literally because it saves the movie industries money because they don't have to upgrade their hardware.

Blind d tests have proven the "can only see 30 fps" is bullshit btw, do some research and I mean go watch or participate in true blind tests not some meme driven "research" page.

>>60818242
your retarded, don't reply to me anymore

Funny how all the snowflake manchilds here all do video encoding which rationalizes their purchase

Before Zen, g never talked about it

>>60818188
it is a measure of futureproof-ness. Graphics and resolutions are just increasing in detail. The thinking goes like the following example. Hardware setup #1 can handle 2017's triple-A game at 1080P at 200 FPS can handle 2020's triple-A game at 4K at 80 FPS. Setup #2 can handle 2017's triple-A game at 1080P at 150 FPS can handle 2020's triple-A game at 4K at 40 FPS. Hence, Setup #2 is edging toward (if not already) obsolete and indeed of upgrading.

>>60817978
Toady pls go.

>>60818278
>Before Zen, g never talked about it
Maybe because Intel was choking and jewing the entire x86 industry to death with their "anything more than 4 cores = a kidney" monopoly bullshit.

so glad I held out with my phenom build to get an 1800x, I have been an AMD fanboy since my first build, I wish I remember what it was, but I think it was an Athlon Thunder bird? you could enable overclocking by drawing a line with a graphite pencil between two points on the top of the CPU.

AMD is dropping prices because 1. Insane yields on their 8 core dies, 2. Threadripper soon, which means the prices on Threadripper might be even lower than anticipated.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-ryzen-14nm-wafer-yields-pass-80-threadripper-cpus-on-track.html

>>60818289
True, the logic follows, but the processors being compared are so close that this argument doesn't apply so well. The differences in performance are negligible but at the same time one offers a more consistent game play for current gen games.

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>>60818278
AMD brought the fire to the masses. Intel tried to keep it to themselves. You can see the results.

>>60818128
>the 7700k has higher framerates, but only marginally.
And only if you're not GPU bottlenecked. If you are, they're basically the same. 1080p 144hz w/ 1080 or above = not GPU bottlenecked. Anything else = GPU bottlenecked. (Or monitor refresh rate bottlenecked, but whatever)

I wish AMD could have decent single-core performance. I'm still stuck with Intel because of that.

>>60818345
what do you even use single core for.

>>60818340
>Bottleneck, bottleneck, bottleneck...

*Cringe*

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>>60818358
Emulators, especially PC-platform emulators such as PCem, Neko Project and so on. The bottleneck is that the processor is emulated on a single thread, so you need very high single core performance.

Unfortunately Ryzen just about reached the level of my 6 year old i5.

>>60818345
AMD does have decent performance. Decent does not mean the best you sack of shit.

>>60818396
See the image above. My five year old CPU is still better. Not what I'd call decent.

>>60818401
>>60818396
REEEEEE

>>60818246
I can actually understand the low frame rates for movies. The hobbit was 80fps or some shit and it looked terrible, like some amateur zombie film or a soap opera.

>>60818079
Its not like its going to go much past those stock speeds without liquid nitrogen anyways
Why would Intel be afraid of a clocklet that cant boot with fast ram

>>60817877
great ≠ the best
Will you retards ever understand that?

>>60818387
>pissmark
Stop using this trash.

>>60817575
>300
Fuck you Americans

>>60818444
80 fps? Where's that info? Also, go watch any 60fps enabled YouTube video and then turn 60fps off and watch it again. It's like night and day.

>>60818472
>AMD
Stop using this trash.

>>60818387
If that shit was even remotely accurate, the 1800X would have 20k on mulitcore score. That is just an embarrassingly bad benchmark.

>>60818510
Kill yourself.

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>>60818387

>>60818340
>monitor refresh rate bottlenecked
>>>/v/eddit

>>60818526
>It's spam

It would be nice if everyone took each other's advice on this, the boards would have far less idiot children spamming them.

>Darwinism supporter

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>>60818533
>>60818514
>>60818472

>>60818489
I lied it was 48 fps. It made it much easier to see the fakeness of costumes and hurt the look of practical effects. Games are are totally different story.

>>60818544
You realize that 487*2.8 = 1365 and 7148*2.8=20014? You pretty much just proved my point by linking to a benchmark showing how fucking stupid pissmark is.

>>60818555
>. It made it much easier to see the fakeness of costumes and hurt the look of practical effects
This, I don't think they were quite prepared for how much more detail you can see. everything has to be super on point because you can't hide everything with blur anymore.

>>60818566
Point being movies spread the false info about the 30 fps thing to the mouth breathing masses so they could cheap out on equipment.

>>60818387
Don't forget that FPU performance matters a shit ton for emulating as well, which is where Intel absolutely btfos the completion at 4 cores or less
>>60818544
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X/3647vs3916
Moar Coarz btfo
>>60818555
>>60818566
Well I think people aren't stopping to consider that maybe the Hobbit was a rushed bad movie without a good implementation of over 24fps cinematography, which is sad because now that the bad apple has spoiled the bunch nobody is going to want to buy tickets for another 48fps movie

>>60818560
>>60818560
I'm not interested in multicore as I've stated. The single thread result is consistent.

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>>60818584
>http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X/3647vs3916
Moar Coarz btfo

>300 shekels cpu defeating a $460 shekels cpu

>>60818595
Pissmark is still trash.

>>60818387
Sounds like emulators need to step up instead of expecting cpu devs to keep their crutch from falling out.

>>60818599
Too bad for you the real competitor to the R7 series is the i7-6900K. Which costs twice as much. http://imgur.com/a/wMm1C

>>60817948
Enjoy not overclocking

>>60818604
You can't spread the emulation of a single processor across multiple cores. That generally isn't a problem when you're dealing with consoles because they generally have a bunch of low-power processors, but emulating something as powerful as a Pentium 300MMX is pretty demanding.

The best Ryzen parts haven't even landed.

Mobile Ryzen is going to be a slaughter. Intel better start bribing manufacturers right now before it's too late.

>>60818604
Emulators is one of the only things where a lot of single core helps. But it's not a dealbreaker unless you're doing CEmu or some other alpha quality crap. Those shit emulators the other guy mentioned don't need insanely high single core to run well.

>>60818634
Not all emulators are single threaded shit, RPCS3 benefits hugely from multiple core

>>60818475
Can't hear you over my student loans and crumbling infrastructure, europoor.

>>60818654
Yeah, once that one gets going, Ryzen is going to be the best CPU for that emulator by far.

>>60818614
The real competitor to the 1800x is the i7 and i5 which cost less and get thrown in way more prebuilts
Penny pinching server fags that only care about their TDP/Core ratio plz go
>>60818633
Basically this, imagine a fast quad core overclock-able laptop that you don't have to pay an arm and a leg for. I miss cranking my gen 1 laptop APUs up to 4.0ghz with AMD overdrive lol. Hopefully availability isn't garbage but this is AMD we're talking about

Not gonna lie I might go amd if threadripper cost $600 or less.

Make it happen amd.

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>>60818679
>$1000 CPU vs $300-$480 CPU
>Penny pinching
It sure as hell made a lot of difference to a lot of people.

>>60818696
You might get a 10 or 12 core for that much.

>>60818679
1800x is getting scores comparable to the 6900, who are you fooling?

>>60818699
>>60818708
>300 dollar cpu vs slower more cores 300 dollar cpu
It only makes a difference to server fags

>>60818728
Neither of those are server CPUs.

>>60817650
yeah i read somewhere it would be 330, not bad for 16 fucking threads

>>60818728
Even though it's got benchmarks to prove it but keep swallowing that Intel cock you shill

>>60818737
If Ryzen and i6900s aren't server CPUs then their TDP/Core ratio matters even less
>>60818754
only if you cherry pick with a binned 4.1ghz cpu that 95% of overclockers wont reach
enjoy your gimped ram support

>>60818703
I'm on x99 currently and I can definitely get an overclockable 8/10 core xeon for less than $300 a year from now and they would be overclockable to at least 4.5ghz, which I doubt threadripper could do.

The (controversial) census is that amd finally caught up with Intel in ipc but the cores are stuck at around 4ghz. I'm willing to trade 500mhz less and compromise gaming for a few extra cores. Not shitting on anyone here, planing out the logical path.

>>60818777
>Ignores benchmarks
>Makes baseless claims

GG

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>>60818794
>ignores benchmarks
>makes baseless claims
>n-no you!
GG AMD

>>60818790
Threadripper's going to be out this summer. Waiting a year and buying a used server CPU in the hopes you can OC it is pretty risky IMO. Your call.

>>60818444
No fuck you. Action movies hurt my eyes with their shitty framerates because the whole screen blurs if the camera moves. I get it for artsy movies that want a cinema feel; like how adding grain to a digital film can give it character. However, for action movies pushing the limits of computer graphics, there's no excuse for fucking 24 FPS.

The ironic thing is you probably watched the Hobbit at 24 FPS (it was only played at the higher framerate for select viewings) and think it was shit because you actually payed attention to it.

>>60817650
I got mine for like $305 with free 2 day on amazon and no tax cause third party, overclocked to 3.8GHz, this thing is an absolute beast for the money.

Basically an 1800x now for 300 bucks.

I want to fucking die!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AMD-RYZEN-7-1800X-/192148576158?hash=item2cbcf2979e:m:m8EOJNPcat5M87krm_IoSqg

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>>60818825
All consumer chips have a xeon variant, it's the same shit.

I'm on x99 so it's not like I'm exactly starved for performance anyways. The hardware whore in me wants a massive socket with a massive chunk of waterblock on the eatx zenith.

AMD really hit something here for the richfags, I'll tell you that.

>>60818805
>Claims cherry pick
>Immediately cherry picks

Kek

>all benchmarks done with fucking 1080ti or titan xp
maybe i wanna pair my $300 cpu with a $400 gpu huh how about that you fucking cunts

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>>60818868
Imagine a supremacy evo for the threadripper... at least 6lbs!!!!! Fucccck

>>60818893
Bruh they're shills, they're only going to show "evidence" in the form of screen caps of benchmarks running their preferred setup.

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>>60818278
>Before Zen, g never talked about it
Because before zen all we had were shitty quad cores and two thousand dollar 6 core kike chips from Intel that was never worth the money.

Now there is actually something to talk about.

My fucking server is encoding shit right now, and it will be all night. It has never been better at its job, no thanks at all to Jewtel.

>>60818905
Evidence with common non-server workload scenarios is bad because anything that AMD does is automatically good and I'm the shill here. Got it

>>60818907

what are you encoding?
are all 16 threads engaged?

>>60818921
anime

>>60818915
No because there's a plethora of videos on YouTube providing non-shilled results in averages from multiple tests from multiple games that show the 1800x is comparable to the 6900 and beats the 7700k.

>>60818625
Enjoy your housfire

>>60818921
A bunch of movies I've had on a backlog for Plex, and yes they are all engaged.

ffmpeg runs nightly via cron and does it in batches.

Blurays run at like x0.40, DVDs run at like x1.5 give or take depending on the source codec.

>>60818936
housefire*

>>60818907
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5ymcju/ryzen_bugs_and_defects/
Enjoy your down-clocked buggy cpu

>>60818893
It's to isolate the cpu variable. If you're comparing cpus you want the framerate to be entirely dependent on cpu power. Otherwise if you have a gpu "bottleneck" all the cpus will score about the same.

>>60817978
Battlefield 1 use 4 cores, hell even Battlefield 4 and 3 use 4 cores.
GTA V can use up to 6 cores.

>>60818953
>The crash does not seem to happen in Linux, but that is with slightly different code due to differing compilers

And you think I care because?

>>60818930
>YouTube
Nice AMD viral marketing you've got there, I'm sure every tech tuber has such incredible journalistic integrity. JayzTwoCents fanboys plz go

>>60818969
Nobody's making anybody live outside of their deluded head canon if they don't want to

>>60818953
The 1st gen core i series suffers, especially, from the same types of bugs. As well as following iterations.
No CPU is perfect but as long as you're getting BIOS and microcode updates, it's fine.

Also
>Windows only bugs.

>>60818984
What does that even mean?

>>60818965
no they wont faggot

>>60818958
obviously, but it's irrelevant for most people

a cpu isn't shit just because it doesn't hit 300 fps in gta v. most gpus will bottleneck before ryzen 7 and even ryzen 5

>>60818971
>Disregarding professionals because they don't fit your agenda

You'd make a great politician, let me guess, Jay is fake news?

>>60818985
It's almost definitely a BIOS issue, it affects ASUS boards running Windows which should tell you everything.

I have that same board an have had zero problems aside from the well known RAM speeds, hasn't really affected performance though desu.

I needed the extra SATA ports so I had no choice but go with the ASUS board but I'm hoping they will pull their shit together and fix the BIOS eventually.

>>60818985
>most used and supported desktop operating system
>Ryzen crashes and forces you to downclock on it
>>60819007
>professional
LMAO go back to donating in super chat livestreams

>>60819009
my friend just got the 1700 and all he to do is an update and there were no issues , ram and processor were working fine

>>60819033
>Ignoring a decade+ of Microsoft employment
>Ignoring clear understanding of hardware at a detailed level

You're so fucking pathetic, you'd pass for Trump jr., Go cry fake news some where else you shill fuck

>>60819034
I think I just get the wrong RAM, I got one listed on the compatibility list as being DOCP compatible but it doesn't post.

I haven't really had the time nor desire to poke at it manually, I'm still waiting on my Cryorig H7 bracket to come in so I can OC the chip proper so I will probably fix it then.

Other than that I have zero problems though.

>>60818965
>:25:46 No.60818965▶>>60818994
>>>60817978
go back to v, youre dumb as fuck

>>60818633
>apple switchs to Ryzen APUs in their notebooks
>suddenly, all their throttling issues dissapears
>intel makes an ass of themselves again

>>60819055
>Ignoring clear understanding of hardware at a detailed level
This guy is a glorified plumber he doesn't have to understand any engineering aspect or die shot of a cpu he just has to put it together turn it on review it and get paid so he can afford to sustain his cuck fettish
>>60819062
>it doesn't post
>zero problems
Which timeline are we in where a PC that doesn't boot has zero problems

>>60819115
It doesn't post using DOCP settings, which is like XMP for ASUS AMD platforms.

It posts fine otherwise, get lost you desperate fanboy.

>>60817575
this should cost $400, shut it down pajeet

>>60819121
Be specific about your Ryzen chip only not booting with an officially supported ram stick when it's in DOCP next time then, slowram.

>>60819140
How about you not make an ass of yourself and stop jumping on everything that looks like a good way for you to act like a faggot for Intel.
They don't need you to help them look bad, they do fine on their own.

i havent been paying attention to all the retarded trolling in here but when are the price cuts going to filter down to ausfailia? i want the 1600x but it's still $350 and i dont want to gamble on the silicon lottery with the 1600.

>>60819155
It's not my fault you have PMS, honesty doesn't make me an asshole.

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>$300
I am so happy. Really want Threadripper however.

>>60818217
What? The Hobbit was filmed at 48 FPS and people hated it because they thought it looked like a cheap afternoon soap opera.

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>>60819172
Sounds like something you should take up with your senator.

If you can get him to stop huffing petrol that is.

>>60819174
So this is the state that Intel shills are in, this is so pathetic. I want to think you are getting paid but I know better.

Don't forget to buy the new i9!
Better pick up that Intel motherboard and your intel SSD as well so that you can use your Intel dongle to keep your RFID chip from locking you out of your CPUs functions!

Don't forget the 15% tip as well!

>>60819195
>2017
>still falling for this bait
ishygddt

>>60817575
This actually seems like a good option for me. Been looking at xeon+quadro for a while now, but I'd like to be able to do some gaming too. Will the ryzen be good at solving integral equations?

t. Antenna engineering man

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>>60819195
Well days of our lives has like 14 thousand episodes so apparently people like soap operas.

Don't see the issue myself.

>>60818387
Ryzen can still run them and rpcs3 is already using more cores so you're fucked getting a 4core.

The 4core shilling has never been this bad. The i7 quad core in particular is now somehow the one to get when an i5 can do just about the same job for $100 less. If you really wanted those extra threads, then get extra cores you dumb niggers. Now it's all over, the 1600 is too good to ignore, the value of that CPU is insane. I thought the 5820k had a great value when it came out, it's not even close to Ryzen's value.

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>>60818246
Considering how autistic kids are these days it might be a good idea to put a combo lock on the side of the case

Also Its actually a great deal to buy prebuilt these days

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>>60818953
LOL

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8376/intel-disables-tsx-instructions-erratum-found-in-haswell-haswelleep-broadwelly

https://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2016/01/11/intel-skylake-crash-erratum/1

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/244074-intel-atom-c2000-bug-killing-products-multiple-manufacturers

https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103351

LOL

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>>60819229
>The 4core shilling has never been this bad
It is unironically Intel shills you moron.
>The i7 quad core in particular is now somehow the one to get
No, the Intel chip that somehow manages to beat AMD in any given market is now the one to get, truth be damned.

That's why Pentium shilling has gone through the roof, because AMD doesn't have anything in the lower segment yet.

For years up to last year i5 was the bare minimum for any kind of gaming, now a Pentium is all you "need" to play games otherwise your a faggot YouTuber, streamer, etc.

Wake the fuck up.

>>60819196
i9, 6900, etc. dont have the same clock speed as an 1151 and put out way more heat, no thanks
also intel optane is the biggest meme ive ever seen like wtf a cheap corsair force nvme is faster lol
ps not having rfid wont save you from motivated governments

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What did they meme by this?

>tfw 16 core 32 thread 5.05ghz Threadripper beating the shit out of intel's walletraper x299 shit

>>60819223
>>60819223
Literally no difference between 60 and 30

>>60819298
I-is that real?

>>60819229
>>60819260
I tried pointing out how limited the situations are where i7-7700K results in higher FPS but all I got were retards in response. They just don't want to hear it.

>>60819312
Yea
No CPU in die but why would they put 5ghz on the OLED?
I am betting all the shit silicon is being pushed as ryzen 5/7 and the good clocking stuff is going TR and Epyc. Server silicon is always the best of the best as it improves performance per watt which is what servers are all about

http://wccftech.com/asus-teases-5ghz-overclocks-amds-ryzen-threadripper-cpus/

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>>60819321
Do you understand what a shill is?

>>60818278
Nobody could fucking afford it.

GOYTEL

BTFO

>>60819358
>I am betting all the shit silicon is being pushed as ryzen 5/7 and the good clocking stuff is going TR and Epyc.
Kek, no. High leakage silicon is able to handle more voltage and higher clocks. It also has worse power efficiency, so it won't be used for TR/Epyc. Server silicon always uses the low leakage silicon that doesn't clock as high but has better power efficiency.

>>60817575
The only good Intel CPU now is the poorfag Pentium.

>>60820026
the cheap pentium and the i7 7700k are the only two that should be considered. There are a few applications that right now demand single core over multi, and there is no guarantee/hope that they will ever move multithread.

If you don't play arma, that one flight sim, and have a budget higher than 500$, there is no reason to look at intel for anything.

>>60818278
Aww, babby doesn't remember bulldozer.
Sweet little babb

>>60817877

Many games from the last few years already scale to more than 4c/8t. Basically all games from 2016/17 support more than 8 threads, albeit with varying efficiency. So your point about it being an uncertain future is completely moot.

Sure right now you get higher maximum frames with the 7700k. But you can't overclock without delidding and you are going to feel the hurt in games very soon. You will also have a half as high minimum frame rate of you go Intel.
And you will still have paid more than if you went AMD.

So really, the only reason to go for the 7700K right now is if you exclusively game, only play like three games and need that 144+ fps.

>>60818215

The difference to last time is that now Intel hopped onto the multicore train. Last time debts could say that Intel offered more performance so they had no need to optimize for more than 4 cores.
Now, with both companies going for 8 as the new affordable (and for many gamers probably the new minimum of what they think they should get), the pressure is on the devs to use these cores and threads.

>>60818584

>Well I think people aren't stopping to consider that maybe the Hobbit was a rushed bad movie without a good implementation of over 24fps cinematography, which is sad because now that the bad apple has spoiled the bunch nobody is going to want to buy tickets for another 48fps movie

This so much. If they had done HFR on an action movie, people would have fucking eaten that shit up.

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>>60817877
Some people may prefer to save the $50 and have both a computer and a space heater all in one device

>>60823657
That pressure for devs has already been there for a while, at least when it comes to gaming. Because consoles use 8 core CPUs.
That's why modern games are decent at taking advantage of multiple cores, even when they are not state of the art DX12 or Vulkan games.

Intel Pajeets on SUICIDE WATCH.

>>60817661
So I own a memelake and I've experienced the stutter, but I haven't found a good explanation for it. Do we know why memelake stutters? (Aside from Intel Jewing me into buying a Kaby Lake.)

>>60823749
Very old architecture. With Ryzen people can make comparisons and notice the smoothness in gayming more easily now.

>>60819311
t. eyelet

>>60818848
What temps are you getting on what cooler?

>>60817877
>I believe for $50 more I can get the i7-7700k; 4.2 GHZ straight out of the box

For $150 less you can get the FX 9590, 4.7GHz straight out of the box. What a deal!!!

250 and 50 for a MB when
I really want a new PC
Not buying 4c Fuck you Intel and 8c going for 1k

>>60823749
>I haven't found a good explanation for it
Because you have 4 cores.
If you're running a game that uses 4 threads, or even 3, if any Windows background process or service asks for even a millisecond of processor time, that's enough for a frame to not be ready in time for the screen refresh, which is called stutter.

On Ryzen you have 6 or 8 cores, from which, in the same example above, you'd have 2 or 4 threads totally free for Windows to work with without touching the game threads.

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>>60817877
Ok let's list some facts:

>7700K delivers higher average FPS on most (not all) games.
>The above is completely irrelevant if you are GPU (or monitor Hz) bottlenecked instead of CPU bottlenecked.
>Ryzen 6 or 8 cores tends to have less stutter and better minimum FPSs because Windows background processes don't interfere as much with the cores the game is running on.
>Ryzen is cheaper.
>Ryzen has better performance in pretty much any other workload outside of games.
>Games will tend to use more threads instead of less threads in time.

What you should buy is a matter of measuring the Pros VS Cons. It's up to you.
Pic related.

>>60825344
Forgot to tell the 7700K is on a dead socket and not safely overclocked.

>>60818128
>Xbone and PS4 both use octa-core AMD CPUs, and they, unfortunately, drive game development
this is actually an very valid pointe

>>60817590

Because it is?

Or are you one of those "2 FPS less OMG it's worthless!!!1!!1!" faggots?

>>60818604
They won't. They all have the Bad Autism and "lmao just get a better CPU poorfag" is the stock response

Fuck. I wish it had good IPC because it's great for everything but what I need it for most: emulation.

>>60825344
those bullets pretty much summarize the situation
the big thing is
>keeping WinJews from stuttering my game
>won't need a capture card to stream
>hopefuly plz baby Jesus let the consoles drive heavier multithreading development

>>60825467
IPC is fine, it's lacking in clockspeed for emulating crap like CEmu, mostly because it's alpha quality shit. You'll still be able to emulate MK8 on CEmu, but probably not BotW.

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>>60818008

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>>60819298
Intel uses ring-bus architecture for cross core communication which performs worse the more cores you put on a die.
AMD's InfinityFabric cross core interface scales pretty much linearly.
Theres a diagram illustrating how core count affects performance of high core count Xeons but I didn't save it.

>>60818315
If Threadripper is priced at $600 or even $700 instead of $800, I'm making the switch and dropping Intel completely.

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>>60826071
>feelsgoodman

>>60817575
I can't tell if you think this is good or bad. So far, my 1700 has been phenomenal. I haven't had more than 40% usage for anything I do on a daily basis.

>>60818965

That is objectively wrong. In BF4 and BF1 you can set core count and even thread count and they scale noticeable at >4 cores.

>>60818315
>Insane yields on their 8 core dies,
b-b-but /g/ told me global foundries was shit!

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>>60826393
>>60818965
>>60818994

You can get 1700 for $260 and 1700x for $299 on ebay today only with a some sale going on

>>60825467
Everything should run fine though. Maybe unoptimized garbage like PCSX2 or cemu will be a problem, but at least you get the advantage of rpcs3. I'm going to get a 1700 and then go all out with Zen2 or Zen+. They should fine tune it to close or beat the very slight IPC advantage Intel has over Zen. By then, they would have a process more optimized for desktop parts and hopefully cemu has had big strides in performance or gone OS altogether(I doubt it considering the huge amount of shekels they're getting from retarded goys).

>>60825422
That's literally any memelord faggots response in general. Again, buncha kids buy prebuilts and act like they have unquestionable factpinions and it's always "you didn't spend $4000000 on your PC? Lol it sucks dick kys".

Because overwatch needs that much to play at ultra 1080p.

>It doesn't.

>>60826437
and you can get the 1600 for 195

intel btfo

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>CPU released in 2017 gets beaten by my i5 released in 2011

L M A O
M
A
O

>>60826539
Suck a dick, retard. http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/new-cpu-z-upgrade-lowers-ryzen-performance.html

>>60826539
its set to 4 threads

nice fake benchmark

>>60826422

That sure looks like a battlefield title.
Plus, the point is not whether a game uses all cores to the max or not but rather that clear multithreading is already implemented in current and older game engines.

You might even argue that because of the Intel stagnation, devs optimised only for GPU usage and have neglected to push multicore systems to the max on the cpu. This will change now, however, no matter how much shilling you do.

>>60826578
look at single core

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>>60826539
>MUH SHINGLE COAR!!!!
LMAO

>>60826539
>corelet bragging about loosing about 2,5 times in multithreaded workload

>>60826600
DELET DIS

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>>60826600
Nice edit, fag.

>>60826572
haha wow
>After a deep investigation, we found out that the code of the benchmark felt into a special case on Ryzen microarchitecture because of an unexpected sequence of integer instructions. These operations added a noticeable but similar delay in all existing microarchitectures at the time the previous benchmark was developed. When Ryzen was released, we found out that their ALUs executed this unexpected sequence in a much more efficient way, leading to results that mismatch the average performance of that new architecture.
>We reviewed many software and synthetics benchmarks without being able to find a single case where such a performance boost occurs. We're now convinced that this special case is very unlikely to happen in real-world applications. Our new algorithm described below does not exhibit this behaviour.
tl;dr is that the Ryzen CPU's internal branch prediction basically "gamed" the benchmarks so they decided to nerf the numbers to make up for it

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>>60826600

>>60826745
tl;dr is that CPU-Z benchmark is trash. Worse than pissmark. And that's saying something.

>>60826410
GloFo wasn't shit since 28nm sHP. And now that they have IBM foundry business and staff.

>>60826900
So much bait in one post

>>60826900
>he posted it twice
>>>/v/379612973

>>60817978
>modern games still use 1 core
Now you can play 8 modern games at once and burn through that backlog

>>60826745
>>60826809

Ever seen what ryzen does at AES encryption and decyrption? Ryzen has absolutely no equal at it - an 1800x is tangling with the 6950x at such tasks.

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>>60826596
>>60826596
>battlefield
>shill?

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>>60818387

>>60826520
>That feeling when getting a 1600 ASRock am4 motherboard and 16 gib 3000mhz ram for only $399.00
Fuck kiketel never buying from them again.

>>60827372

Jesus Christ, I don't speak troll, please use coherent sentences instead of posting a niche animu game that is probably not optimized at all.
When gaming is invoked in CPU threads, we are typically talking about AAA western games that sell million times.

>>60827732
>hurt white boi

>>60827535
make sure to update your bios, also make sure it has >>60826071
>>60826088

>>60827888
Thanks for the tip will do

>>60818278
i would never buy an amd only for fucking video encoding
that's why i bought a i3 and not a bulldozer cpu, because the bulldozer was good ONLY in encoding, ryzen is pretty good in gaymen too

>>60827888
>b350 pc mate still has no 1.0.0.6 update
what is this garbage ffs

>>60828504
what board do you have?

>>60824022
I'm getting around 60° with CPU intensive games after more than one hour at 3.875GHz with the stock cooler. Not bad for literally 300€.

>>60818971
As an AMD fanboy, I can assure you, there was a time (not too long ago) where these people were amongst the most vehement Intel shills. For this reason, I've continued to disregard their opinions. Can you ever, truly, trust a whore?

>>60818989
I think he's trying to say that anybody who would think covfefe

>>60819223
>30vs60.webm
I only see 30 here. Is this a joke?

>>60828523
msi b350 pc mate just as i said

>>60826071
>pcpartpicker doesn't list any 3066 DDR4

I don't understand is this a custom clock on the memory? What's the "base" frequency of the memory you're using?

>>60817650
its getting cheaper because none wants to buy this bugged shit.

>>60828884
read >>60818315 then kys cuck.

>>60828884
10 years later and intel still hasn't fixed their shitty stutter.

>>60818848
I just got one on ebay for $290 with free shipping. Now I just have the comfy task of picking out cases and GPUs and shit.

>>60826572
>http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/new-cpu-z-upgrade-lowers-ryzen-performance.html
who am i gonna trust, a retarted anon off 4chin or respectable non biased world renown benchmarking tool?

>>60828919

CPU-Z gimped their benchmark because it happens to hit the cpu in a way that ryzen is very, very, very fast at and declared it unfair. If the test was AVX2 based we'd see the same ludicrous gains for Intel over anything AMD makes.

>>60828956
sounds like they're right in doing so

>>60817978
t. Intel shill force

>>60828993
The results are fucking garbage, though. Instead of reworking the benchmark to be more fair on both sides they just slapped Ryzen's scores down a shitload so it doesn't even look remotely accurate. It's just trash.

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>>60826539
>>60828919
>>60828993
LMAO @ the King of Corelets

>>60829051
cinebench is absofuken trash, probably bribed by pajeets, CPUZ all the way

>>60828608
Voltage? CPU intensive games aren't good for stability tests, you really should run p95 or AIDA64 stability test for a few hours/overnight.

@60829107 (You)

>>60828919
>http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/new-cpu-z-upgrade-lowers-ryzen-performance.html
guru3d is reliable tho

>>60828863
>msi

found your problem
buy an asrock board

>>60828872
I don't understand it either base frequency for mine is 3000mhz

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>>60829107
>>60829051
>>60828956
>>60828993

>>60829419
>so broken it reads core voltage at 2.144
lel, nice job pootel shills

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>>60817575
>6-core Skylake-X beats the 1800X in both single and multi-core
TOP

>>60829419
the ryzen in th enew version is underclocked to hell

>imblyin a 6950x wouldnt actually crush a 1800x in MT anyway KEK

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>>60829532
KEK
>more PCIe lanes than the 1800X
>more memory channels than the 1800X
>same price as the 1800X
Ryzen is dead
All hail the Skylake-X i9-7800X

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I was going to buy the R5 1600, but fuck that. I'm getting the R7 1700 now.

>>60818315
>1. Insane yields on their 8 core die
THIS so much.

In fact, the yield is so good they are unable to launch the R3 processors, they don't have enough bad dies to make the R3 launch.

>>60829547
finally someone figured it out
The whole skylake X lineup is crazy overpriced to rightly scam goyim, EXCEPT the 7800x which has killer MSRP out of the box and truly a

RYZEN KILLER

6/12D chess pajeets ;)

>>60829554

Threadripper exists solely to fuck Intel raw leaving a gaping wound just the right size for the freshly-salted Epyc to stick its gigantic core count into.

It is amusing watching realising since threadripper's annoucement that yes, AMD is playing to win and Intel has not got a super scret stash of chips ready to btfo AMD at the sight of any competition. One the scale these things work at the damage is already done - Intel physically cannot react fast enough outside of releasing skylake again (oh snap).

>>60829533
its not underclocked you dumb fuck. its like that because its not doing anything.

> how do CPU's save power?
>what is XFR

>>60829599
That means that the 8-core i9-7900X will be able to beat the shit out of the 10-core Threadripper and only lose out on a few PCIe lanes for the same price.
So let's recap here, the i9-7900X has
>less cores but more powerful
>faster and more powerful individual cores
>larger and non-victim L2 cache
>similar TDP
>same memory channels
>slightly less PCIe lanes
>better compatibility with existing heatsinks
>better overclocking potential than Ryzen
Why would anyone buy the 10-core threadripper?

>>60829648

>Why would anyone buy the 10-core threadripper?

Given you can't divide 10 by 4 or 3 the answer is nobody as the chip won't exist.

>>60829648
>better compatibility with existing heatsinks

https://www.guru3d.com/news_story/computex_2017_breaking_news_noctua_first_to_not_offer_rgb_fans.html

>>60829674
7800x @350$ retail price will be the go to high end gayming CPU for the next 2 years and the new i5 2500k

screengrab this

>>60829648
>non-victim L2 cache
>victim L2

>>60829720

Not when the 1700 is 300 burgers.

>>60829739

I bet Intel could build such a thing.

>>60829746
And performs 20% worse across the board. No one in their right mind would purchase a gimped eight-core POS from AMD on a half-baked socket over a six-core powerhouse with a much better socket and chipset.

>>60818533
desolder this.

>>60829763
it's bulldozer all over again KEK
hope pajeets have enjoyed this 3 months of trolling

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>>60829763

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3l9vZD7h_8

Intel are fucked for the foreseeable future.

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Once more.

>>60829720

Lol. How nice of Intel to catch up to 6 core Ryzen and price it competitively.

Isn't competition grand?

>>60829926
Intel even gives you a midget to pour LN2 onto the CPU.

$300 for sandy bridge performance is a terrible deal though.....

>>60829926
>implying making stuff more affordable for poorfags is good in any way?
No i gotta spend MORE than before to distinguish from the bottom of the barrel proletariat

Im looking at a 1k cpu bill thanks to pajeets

>>60829978

Good thing you get 8 broadwell IPC capable cores with better multithreading for that price from AMD.

>>60830069

What's the point of having cores if they perform like it's 2011?

>>60830091

Let's ask Intel the same question and why it took them 5 years to beat it.

But don't concern troll your pretty little head. Zen+ at 7nm on a new high power process will improve not only core clocks, it also reduces energy consumption. And since they have time, they can get another 10% IPC improvement at a minimum from the revised Zen cores.

Intels balls are in a vice.

>>60830176

They are holding out the good stuff until AMD can reach their level. So to match a 7700K AMD should be done by 2020.

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>>60829763
>https://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2016/01/11/intel-skylake-crash-erratum/1

>>60817575
>>60818079
>still only 4 physical cores
LMFAO

>>60830368
It's 6 thread, 8 physical cores.

At 65 watts. That's 8 watts per core. Pretty amazing.

16 threads.

>>60818566
The fakeness wasn't easier to spot because of the fps, the hobbit was shot in insane resolution, 16m or whatever it was called, the director himself said that that was what really strained the make up department during shooting

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>>60830368
What?

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>>60829532
>>60829547
Nice crop of an ln2 bench, faggots.

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>>60829648
LMAO

>>60829532
>>60829547
lol https://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/06/05/intel_core_i9_skylake_e_clocks_no_higher_than_broadwell/

>>60830456
yea the 48fps thing just made it look goofy and spedup, the fakeness was from the redeye shit

>>60829978
Kill yourself tripfag faggot.

>>60829978
>>60830091
>>60830313
see
>>60826786

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What will Intel do if AMD sticks 5 Ryzen chips into a processor?

20 cores, 40 threads.

>>60831110
What? 4 Zeppelin dies is already 32 fucking cores and you can't add more since there's only 4 pairs of GMI links on die.

>>60831148
My bad.

So damn. they already have a CPU that will beat the 18 core intel top dog in throughput. That's amazing.

>>60830313
>They are holding out the good stuff until AMD can reach their level
Source: My uncle works at Nintendo. p.s. kill yourself tripfag.

>>60831110
that would have to use modified Epyc processors utilizing a pair of 6c dies and a pair of 4c dies.

And thats if that particular setup is even possible.

>>60831160
It's not Intel's top dog. Intel's top dog is ebin 3 bingbus 28core 205w TDP abortion.

>>60831148
Is a GMI link related to that Infinity fabric?

I had the impression that you could in theory link together an infinite amount of Ryzen chips.

>>60831198
With multiple sockets, yes (although there doesn't seem to be any plans for a 4S motherboard, just a 2S platform and a shit ton of Vegas). But not within the same package, 4 is the limit.

>>60831198
>Is a GMI link related to that Infinity fabric?
Yes, of course. But we need actual IF specifications and i DOUBT AMD will ever publish them. It's their secret sauce that made Intel uncompetetive in 1S/2S markets overnight. Expect pure carnage on 20th of June.
>infinite
No. One Zeppelin has 4 pairs of GMI links for maximum 4 dies in one MCM.

>>60831223
I don't think AMD can go for 4S with EPYC. One xGMI link already consumes 64lanes per socket. And 4S+ is some 8% of the market.

>>60831233
>>60831233
Damn.

I was hoping the PS5 could mix together 10 Ryzen chips or so, and turn that console into a multithread heaven for really cheap.

>>60831256
That seems to contradict the info AMD gave out back in May 2015. They said that the then-upcoming Zen server platform could be scaled up to multiple sockets like their competitor.
>>60831273
>caring about consoles
They're going to put a low-TDP single silicon APU in there. Pity Jaguar has no direct replacement.

>>60831273
>I was hoping the PS5 could mix together 10 Ryzen chips or so
No, that's too much silicon for cucksole. It'll use Zen2 + Navi, but i wonder where they'll fab it. The neat thing behind Zen2 and Navi is 7nm HP FinFET from GloFo.
>>60831299
Then why didn't they present any 4S+ platforms?

>>60831299
>single silicon APU
Even though AMD now has the technology to lower the cost with multi chip?

I doubt it. It would be much cheaper for Sony and Microsoft to just put 2 to 4 Ryzen chips into a console, instead of developing something new.

>>60831324
300nm something on 7nm EUV will be enough for console. Fabbing another set of dies specifically for consoles is meaningless.

>>60831316
>too much silicon
No such thing for consoles. It's all about the price, what kind of price can AMD give them, if they order 50 million of those chips.

I bet you AMD would give them a super favourable price, not just because of the order quantity, but also because they are loyal customers who can keep their foundries busy.

>>60831324
Cost reductions from going MCM only really matter when the die would otherwise be huge. Console APUs are going to be much smaller so it would be more economical to construct them using a single slab of silicon.

>>60831353
>their
Don't worry, both IBM and AMD make GloFo so budy Scorpio oversized APU is fabbed on TSMC's 16nm. As i said, it's going to be single silicon APU with Zen2 + Navi.

>>60831324
The APUs are already finished designs, but they're modular too thanks to IF.
All they really need to do is produce a single piece of silicon using 1 CCX and more Vega CUs to an existing APU design. Not only would that cut down on manufacturing costs, but it would also help them recycle older processes once 7nm Zens come into production.

>>60831316
>Then why didn't they present any 4S+ platforms?
I don't think AMD needs to at the moment, but I suspect one might be waiting in the wings if demands arise for it.
>>60831353
>No such thing for consoles
There is. Consoles are limited by the amount of heat it can effectively manage. Putting more silicon into a tiny case would mean MacPro levels of thermal throttling. One silicon is enough for a PissShitter5

>>60831357
I'm just not sure it will be custom silicon anymore.

It's cheaper for AMD and Sony and Microsoft to just utilize those Zeppelin chips.

>>60831380
>I don't think AMD needs to at the moment, but I suspect one might be waiting in the wings if demands arise for it.
I wonder how the fuck 4S+ EPYC-based platforms will form xGMI links. 32 lanes for 4S and 16 lanes for 8S? Makes me wonder.
>>60831392
Zeppelin has no iGPU and is fucking 195mm^2 of 14nm LPP FinFETs.

>>60817575
Lol at the 65watt power draw, AMD are lying fucks.

>>60831392
Except for the fact that all of their existing software is optimized for the bobcat cores and older GCN architecture on the existing hardware. Porting it to Zen, then shoehorning in support for the newer GPU, would cost more than they'd save from switching to the new hardware.

Then there's the fact Zeppelin doesnt have an iGPU.

I really-really wonder what does 'scalability' in Navi means? Like' it's probably not MCMs, since no one did MCMed GPUs before.
>>60831430
It's 65W TDP you moron.

>>60831406
>195mm^2
That's still very cheap Anon. I heard it costs WAY! Way too much to design a new chip from scratch at 14nm.
So there will be economic benefits for all 3 parties to reuse the Zeppelin, and AMD could have Sony/Microsoft help finance the future die shrinks of this chip as well.

2 Zeppelin chips + two small gpu chunks, and you have a pretty decent machine for a console.

>>60831449
>It's 65W TDP you moron.
Shhh.. /v/ children don't know the difference.
Don't ruin his night too early, mummy only just let him have a can of lager.

>>60831457
>2 Zeppelin chips + two small gpu chunks, and you have a pretty decent machine for a console.
And how the fuck would that abominations access the shared memory pool? It's gonna be one die, anon. Also 2 Zeppelins make Threadripper, and that thing is HEDT, no way will you put 16 cores into console.

>>60831457
What the fuck is up with your obsession with consoles? That's a tiny drop in the bucket for AMD compared to enterprise and commercial sales. No one really gives a shit about consoles outside of /v/.

>>60831440
>Except for the fact that all of their existing software is optimized for the bobcat
They're not going to stay with Jaguar forever you know. It will probably be easy to emulate that with Ryzen.

>Then there's the fact Zeppelin doesnt have an iGPU.
Zeppelin <-infnity fabric-> graphics chip
Easy peasy.

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>>60831430
Do you know the difference between TDP and power draw? You're looking awfully wet behind the ears there.

>>60831489
>Zeppelin <-infnity fabric-> graphics chip
Absolutely fucking retarded and even more painful to keep uniformity of memory access.

>>60831481
>And how the fuck would that abominations access the shared memory pool?
The same way the 2 socket Epyc shares memory pool?

>>60831406
>Zeppelin has no iGPU and is fucking 195mm^2 of 14nm LPP FinFETs.

yeah, Zeppelin is only 45% CCX and a ton of misc other shit like SATA and 10 GbE controllers plus a ton of IO lanes.

>>60818217
human eye isnt a camera sensor
we take in one solid realtime moving image like water flowing through a pipe

>>60819312
My guess is the display just defaults to 5Ghz when no CPU is detected.

>>60831508
There's a strict difference between that and usual APU designs that use CPUs PHYs to access memory. EPYC uses 4 Zeppelin dies.

>>60831525
Consoles don't have to use the usual APU designs anymore.

Would you seriously design a monolithic APU in this day and age, when you have what AMD has right now?

>>60823696
Showscan is the only option. Variable frame rates are the future.

>>60817575
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME

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>>60831486
Stop being so hateful Anon.

They helped out AMD a great deal back when AMD was in trouble and had almost no business.

>>60831554
I'VE MADE MY MISTAKES

>>60831542
>Consoles don't have to use the usual APU designs anymore.
They do, it's just bigger APUs.
>Would you seriously design a monolithic APU in this day and age
Yes. It's cheaper this way then fab a separate set of dies for fucking low-margin semi-custom business. Dude Intel's quaterly data center revenue is some ~14billion dollaridoos. AMD wants that.
Also your unhealthy obsession with semi-custom console designs reeks of /v/.

Poor Intel, AMD is yet to hit their beefiest markets, being Data Center and Mobile. Oh god DELL give me actually good RR-based XPS13 soon.

>>60831542
>>60831525
>>60831508
>>60831481

I still can't wait to see /g/ shit bricks when it's announced that Vega and Zeppelin can do HSA/virtual APU stuff over a PCIe slot thanks to both having their IO lanes muxed between PCIe and IF.

And then shit their pants again when the first enterprise Zeppelin+Vega 11 MCM APUs get announced.

It's like almost nobody here can make reasonable extrapolations.

>>60831619
>Vega
Too soon. You need to Wait™ for Navi to bring true shoah to nVidia.
t. Raja Koduri
Also we know fuckall about how the fuck IF works and whether it can bypass usual PCI-E signaling.

>>60831574
I still think it would be way cheaper for you to clone a lot of small chips that all look the same, but can combine together to increase the performance.

Reminder
https://www.servethehome.com/amd-epyc-june-20-2017-threadripper-vega-computex-2017/
>We are under embargo/ NDA about specific vendor plans and platforms implementing EPYC. We will have a lot of coverage come release day.
Prepare for shoah, boys and girls.

I wonder whether Supermicro/Dell/anyone will make EPYC-based blades. Imagine the density.

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>>60825467
>>60825533
>>60826471
Ryzen is fine for emulation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU1ld8zJtD4
The Last Story, one of the more CPU intensive Wii games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Tri8ZDS58
Xenoblade Chronicles with a shitty iso, I don't get stutters because 25fps EU version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87qPFRyDtSY
This one is a bunch of PS2 games.

>>60831635
>Also we know fuckall about how the fuck IF works and whether it can bypass usual PCI-E signaling.

That's literally exactly what it does in Zeppelin:
>>60831811

It's not bypassing the signaling so much as the PCIe root complex and IOMMU layer though.
We know that Vega is built on IF already, it's just not been spelled out yet that it will have PHY lanes multiplexed between PCIe and raw IF/xGMI too.

>>60825344
The problem with their assumption that games will use more threads given time is that games have had over 10 years to use more threats, civilization 5 with one of the 1st games to use more threads even though with the inception of DirectX 11 the API allow game companies to use more than one thread effectively.

Game developers are so fucking shit to the point that Nvidia decided 'no no no these dumb motherfuckers are so incompetent they will never do this so we have to do it in our scheduler' the fact of the matter is most game devs are so fucking incompetent they should be fired, they are incapable of doing anything more than the bare-bones basics. Thinking that this entire industry who has that many shitty programmers and shitty developers and it will ever use more than 4 threads effectively is stupid. Either an API is going to come along that automatically does this for them because their fucking retarded or every shitty game developer dies or fucks off, and I don't see them diner fucking off, and I don't see anyone talking about automation.

Don't get me wrong on this, I wholeheartedly recommend the 1700 over the 7700, just because of overhead, you might have lower maximums but you not to have the the lower lows.

Raja Koduri is a brahmin
intel poos are stupid smelly untouchable caste

>>60831887
Who the fuck cares about race or gender as long as person is competent at doing his/her fucking job?

>>60831729
Thats pretty fucking neat. Even more of a reason to finally ditch this 3570k.

>>60831910
>race
>gender
>caste
Caste isn't about race or gender, faggot. It's the autistic Indian version of the Great Chain of Being.

>>60831857
>games have had over 10 years to use more threats
Games use more threads now than then. Yes, you're right in that it's the bare minimum effort, but maybe with consoles finally having 8 x86 cores by default, maybe things will get better.

>>60831969
No, since most console ports are made by pajeets.

>>60831969
Will there be an 8c16t APU from AMD? I've become way too used to having an integrated gpu for troubleshooting any dedicated gpu problems.

>>60831955
It's especially great for The Last Story. That game eats up a shitload of CPU that multicore is the only way to spread out the load.

>>60831982
No, since it has no value. You can't bin it into ULV shit.

>>60831969
>but maybe with consoles finally having 8 x86 cores by default, maybe things will get better.
That's what I'm hoping for the PS5.

A lot of Ryzen/Navi cores in super small low cost chips bound together by the IF.

This IF technology will finally unlock high performance for really cheap.

>>60832087
>bound together by IF
Cool but GMI links are not free.

>>60832104
Reasonably small chips then.

>>60818544
Meanwhile, Intel at the same clocks:
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-3570K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-7500/1316vs3648