US Internet

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>>60716005
Because it is run by leftist government officials instead of private citizens. Fortunately Trump is fixing that.

>>60716005
works fine for me

>>60716005
The isps have no need to improve their infrastructure since they have so little competition and still charge their customer exorbitant prices. They can pretty much do whatever they want.

dumbasses will say because it's so big.

>>60716024
But it's only during recent years that the US has been catching up.

>30x the size and population means 30x the subscribers which means 30x the money, i mean 90x the money, your ISPs charge you about 3x compared to EU ISPs. There's more than enough resources to expand fiber.
"fiber" doesn't help everything when circuits are still copper, all these dense areas need asics upon asics upon asics upon asics upon asics, 20 layers of redundancy, 20 ports dedicated to more throughput than a port can allow on its own

the way population is distributed is why things suck

>What's REALLY stopping the US to become first-world when it comes to internet connectivity?
first word is an alliance status

Having shit internet is a good thing. The faster your internet connection is the easier it is for governments to spy on you.

>>60716097
that's retarded. why would you say that?

>>60716005
>30x the size and population means 30x the subscribers which means 30x the money

Except everyone lives 30x further apart, in small, scattered, local population centers, farm towns, when not in a suburb or a city. So 90x the network cost.

>>60716141
90x the network cost should be ok though with 90x the money, no?

>>60716096
>the way population is distributed is why things suck
most of the population is grouped into a few cities. you could provide a fiber connection to millions just by installing fiber in the top 10 cities.

>>60716024

Trump has done absofuckinglutely nothing to help internet quality.

Nothing.

At the very least Leftists stopped corporate fuickwacks from fucking everyone in the ass and going turbo-overjew on everyone.

Post proof that trumps helping internet, at all so far.

I might take your shit with more then a grain of salt.

>>60716167
found the cuck whiteboi

>>60716155
bitch fiber is "installed" in the top 10 cities, that's how those distances are connected in the first place

the local consumer having "fiber speeds" is only going to make a more congested network, again from being a problem of throughput on the damn switches

a switch might be rated for 40gbps out a port but it's only able to handle about 200gbps, and then you need another switch, and that switch needs to be connected to two other switches, and when that maxes out you need another two with 4 connections going to each one, and it expands to a point where it isn't fucking viable

>>60716005
When Yuros say they only pay €20 for a 100/100mbit connection I cry every time, its just not fair bros. that service is like $100 for me, not even symmetrical.

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>>60716172

Eat a dick honkey.

the FCC crawling up cable ISP asses in the past several years got my local ISP to fuck off with their Broad-Band Limitation and subpar Up/Down speeds.


Show me some good that Orange Julius looking motherfucker has done for my Internet infrastructure.

I do like that he told the Paris Accords to go get fucked tho. I'll give'em that.

>Hurr 'merica you have to reduce your coal plants and shift 3m jobs overseas, while poointheloo and wesellyourdaughters explosively evacuate their asses into the atmosphere for 13 fucking years.

>>60716153
Hold up son, I'm a local municipality and I won't even let you run wire without a right-of-way permit, allow me to charge you double what your network would cost for that permit.

>>60716172
1mbps has been deposited into your comcast account

>>60716195
I don't see why it matters whether 10000 switches need to be in the same place or spread out across the country.

>>60716195
>bitch fiber is "installed" in the top 10 cities, that's how those distances are connected in the first place
they installed it in those cities when other countries were finishing installing it throughout their entire country.

>>60716241
yeah that's for sure

Europe is small. Small!
America big. Bigly!
More cables needed for bigly town! More expensive! Hard do!

>>60716256
seems like other countries figured it out

>>60716241
You cant actually be this stupid

>>60716024
youarethisretarded.jpg

>>60716274
says the retard

>>60716255
what are you even fucking talking about
fiber isn't some kind of magical connection, it's just a fucking wire made of glass instead of copper

we've been running it for decades, it isn't cheap to run copper any notable distances, because you need to keep shoving new powered links in there
by the time you got off dial-up as a resident, you were already taking advantage of fiber links

Competition is stifled by blood sucking (((lawyers))) yet again

>le free market
>le no monopolies

https://arstechnica.com/business/2014/04/one-big-reason-we-lack-internet-competition-starting-an-isp-is-really-hard/

>>60716295
>This switch can do about 250GB/s throughput
>What does it matter if we run the entire city through just that? It's connected to a few other switches 2500 miles away!

>>60716209
>Hurr 'merica you have to reduce your coal plants and shift 3m jobs overseas
Those plants will be reduced when tech progresses.
What is cheaper a proud white american or a curry/chink nigger? So yeah these jobs will be shifted anyways.

>while poointheloo and wesellyourdaughters explosively evacuate their asses into the atmosphere for 13 fucking years.
I actually agree with this point.

>>60716308
again...
other ISP's in other countries already figured it out

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>>60716005
By which metric, specifically, are you measuring "shit internet?"

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>>60716332

>>60716332
europe isn't a relevant region to the internet
the united states is where anything important about the internet happens

everything is hosted in the states, everything goes through level 3

America is actually a corporate socialist country. Take a look at Walmart for example, one of the biggest companies on earth has their employees go on welfare essentially being funded by the government

>>60716317

Of coarse they'll shift and progress, but let that happen on OUR terms.

Not fucking passive aggressive/Proxy Warfaring nations terms.

Fuck that shit.

>>60716352
>everything is hosted in the states
for now.

>>60716383
i'm sure one day they'll figure out why they have an electrical shortage and turn it all around

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>>60716308
>most of the US internet is copper
>which means it's max download speed is 200Mbps
>it's currently more than enough to not max out ISP switches
anon is saying that somehow if everybody were to switch over to fiber, we would destroy the switches.
sure okay buddy

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>>60716408
I find it hard to believe anybody is this retarded

>>60716436
and then you show up and surprise even the village idiot

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>>60716453
>Why does it matter xDDDD
>Bottlenecking
>BUT WHY DOES IT MATTER RETARD OMFG WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU
good job

>>60716465
Bottlenecking
[citation needed]
we aren't bottlenecking now.
yet somehow if were were all to upgrade there would be a bottleneck.
makes perfect sense.

>>60716005
>What's REALLY stopping the US to become first-world when it comes to internet connectivity?

Ma-Bell. It's reforming like the T-1000.

Government lost it's teeth and won't break it up for consumer benefit again like they did the first time.

Hyper-capitalism is inevitable, it's only going to get worse.

>>60716491
i was paying TWC $75/month for 20Mbps down & 10Mbps up about 2 years ago.

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>telecommunications corporate mono/oligopolies that dominate any given region; you have maybe 1-3 choices wherever you live - all priced high enough so it's barely tolerable, and quality is low enough to maintain the desired profit margin

>all superior fiber infrastructure is owned by the big communications companies, but ultimately unused because "fuck you, use the shitty cable lines instead"

>active lobbying to prevent any smaller companies from competing or using/creating any infrastructure; have to live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere to be away from Comcast/Spectrum/ATT - even then, the internet plans suck harder

The ISPs control the nation's communication lines like the fucking mafia. It's a big "take it up the ass or be left in the dark" sort of deal.

They won't upgrade the network just because Korea or elsewhere has 100x faster internet. There's no valuable profit to gain from that because there's no competition in America. When your business dominates the market for a particular service, you're naturally going to cut corners and make the whole thing barely working enough to meet minimum expectations as a functional service, and priced just tolerably high enough to back the consumer into a corner without losing them completely.

>>60716520
boo-hoo. I'm at $45 for 60/10 and no caps.

>>60716534
Korea is fucking tiny, dude. Does not compare.

Oligopolys, unfair competition, and deregulation ruined american internet. That new pajeet fcc corporate ball fondler put in place by big corporate ball fondler Trump wont fix anything

really? europe has good internet? go to italy and tell me that lol

>>60716539
last time i paid 45 dollars for internet was back in 2005.
TWC
must've been about 5Mbps down and 1Mbps up
just took 10 years to quaduple the speed and double the price!
fuck yeah, innovation!

>>60716558
I dunno, my state just got 34 million to improve rural internet. They got nothing under the Democrats.

>>60716520
>>60716539
I was paying about 65$/month for 12 Mbps just last year. I know a guy that was paying more than that for about 5 Mbps with monthly caps.

>>60716005
WHY ARE CELLULAR PLANS SO SHIT

Fuck Telcos

>>60716586
Cool anecdotal story, really convinced me.

>tfw live in BFE and can only get "3" mbps (never goes above 0.5).
>no competition in my area
>open up a T-Mobile line with unlimited data
>great LTE coverage
>T-Mobile bottle necks you if you go over 30 GB per month in "high congested areas"
>In BFE so I'll never be in a congested area with that line
>only other T-Mobile user in my area is some cunt that posts scat on /mlp/ (I inherit his bans when my ip address swaps on occasion)
>Literally use 300GB to 1 TB per month of data on my phone with no repercussions
>Currently seeding torrents
out jewed the jews

>>60716610
and whats the problem?
if our sub-par copper connections is adequate, why would a faster fiber connection be worse?

>>60716626
core

>>60716573
>They got nothing under the Democrats.

>200$ Billion Dollars
>Nothing

http://muniwireless.com/2006/01/31/the-200-billion-broadband-scandal-aka-wheres-the-45mb-s-i-already-paid-for/

Germany is gearing up to crack down on "wrong opinions" on the internet.

While the German opposition is saying this is a totalitarian move to curb freedom of speech online, the minister of the interior disagrees: "The point of the proposed legislation is that statements that violate the law must be deleted," Maas said. "These are not examples of freedom of speech. They're attacks on the government."

http://www.dw.com/en/german-justice-minister-defends-controversial-anti-hate-speech-legislation/a-38900261

>>60716608
Convince what, fuckface? I thought we were bitching about shitty internet.

Don't live out in the sticks, and don't live in really expensive cities. That's all I've got to argue.

>>60716638
if the average person is using 20Mbps on a 100Mbps copper line how is upgrading to a 1000Mbps fiber line going to overload the switches?

>>60716673
no

>>60716167
>lets stop corporations from influencing the internet!

>ok!

>proceeds to legislate it into the clutches of the government so that they can control it, the same government already full of corporate lackeys and lobbyists

MAYBE WE SHOULD, I DUNNO, STOP FUCKING RRYING TO LEGISLATE THE INTERNET PERIOD

>>60716699
or maybe we should just accept that capitalism is not suited for shared infrastructure.

>>60716699
>implying the corporations aren't just extensions of the government on the most important issues

In Capitalism government exists to protect those with property.

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>>60716005

USA already is faster than most of the world.

FACT.

Most of our Cable companies already deploy DOCSIS 3.0 and are already upgrading to 3.1.

The Telcos like Verizon and ATT are deploying real 1/1 gigabit internet to many areas.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

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>>60716699

>MARKETS CAN ONLY BE 100% REGULATED OR 100% DEREGULATED
>ANYTHING ELSE IS FUTILE

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>>60716750

And here are by states.

>>60716770

And here are the shitty Yuroclap internet speeds with their greatly """"regulated"""" internet. (terrible speeds and censorship)

>>60716750
>>60716770

>The country of origin for this technology is further ahead than late adopters

>Therefore logically, we should be content to take fat dicks up the ass

>>60716527
>it's not even that bad
Fuck all these people. I get 100mbits in rural America for $50/month.

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>>60716787
>>60716789

Forgot my image.

>>60716199
62€ per month for 1000/100 fiber connection. Finland

>>60716804
>12-15 Mbps is bad
>Price isn't a factor

I guarantee you shitslavs aren't paying anywhere near equivalent 80$ USD for 12 Mbps, even if both the Shitslav and Merifat are living out in the boonies.

Its obviously Shlumpfsterfire's fault

>>60716731
>Implying they are
Nah, it's the other way around, you know that thing called lobbying? They protect those with property because those with property have the resources to be "persuasive".

>>60716831
>shitslavs aren't paying anywhere near equivalent 80$ USD for 12 Mbps

Neither are Americans. Also Slavs and Western Yuros are probably paying $8 for a gallon of gasoline. What's your point?

>>60716750
These averages also include the majority of Americans living in buttfuck nowhere contributing nothing to anything and happy with their DSL line.

>>60716831
>80$ USD for 12 Mbps
1gbps up/down plans are less than that in America. Nice try.

>>60716209
Lets all agree to sort our trash!
>years pass
Hey guys, why are you enforcing me to sort my trash?!?!?!
Look at <non-participant>! He's not participating!

If the reason for laziness is laziness, all we would do is sit on trees and shit, fucking burger.

>>60716801

100mbits cable & phone, 15 upload which is sub 5 upload most of the times

for 160 USD

I'm being sodomized. D:
I want to move to the outskirts of virginia so bad and find an area services by Verizon. SO BAD.

>>60716901
>geographical region totally doesn't have any play in the pricing

comcast wants 50 dollars a month from me for 15/3

>>60716831
>12-15 Mbps is bad
That is bad. When people were talking about how much better the speeds were I was thinking thay'd be in the hundreds of mbits.

>>60716849
>I represent all of America

American outback is fucked. Even if you pay 10,000$ out of pocket to get a cable laid in the ground that the goverment paid ISPs billions of dollars to do literally decades ago but they just pocketed that money, you'll still pay out the ass to use it.
And god help you if you think Satellite is even an option.

>8$ Gas

Try ~3.50 USD per US Gallon
http://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

Less than I'm paying.

>>60716910
Don't use Comcast. They'll either drop prices, up speeds, or sell their stake to a different company. Welcome to capitalism, also known as the purest form of direct democracy.

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>>60716910

Cause you live in the middle of nowhere yet feel entitled to cheap and fast internet. What a cunt.

Here's what rural people living in socialist France have to use.

>>60716943

Then move out of your shithole you stupid fuck.

>>60716901
WOW
IT'S LIKE AMERICA IS ONE CITY

>>60716922
>That is bad.
I was paying about 60$ a month for 12/5 Mbps in a decent sized town.
More than decent. It plays games and streams video just fine. Never had problems until people wanted to stream multiple Netflix accounts at the same time in full HD.

>>60716961
>Don't use comcast
then I have no internet because theres no other ISP in my area.

>different company
there are no different companies
>capitalism
this isn't capitalism, no one is competing which is the entire root of what capitalism is.

>>60716973
>this is what people in france have to use
>slower than 91% of france
no apparently the french DONT have to use that

>>60716975
>ONE CITY
I live in a small town of 25,000. The biggest export is potatoes.

It just goes to show it's not a national problem, but a local one.

>>60716973
>Then move out of your shithole you stupid fuck.

MOVE OUT OF THE WAY TRUMP
THIS MAN IS GOING TO BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT
SURELY HE WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Seriously though, I'd actually lose income. Fucktards blew up the housing AND rent markets, only retards live in major cities and they're just making the problem worse. If you can telecommute, get the fuck out of cities.

>>60716979

And if it weren't for Comcast you wouldn't even have internet you ungrateful fuck.

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>>60717019
>you better enjoy your awful internet, you entitled cunt, I don't care if you have to pay out the ass BE GRATEFUL

>>60717012
>It's not a national problem

How many "local" problems across the nation before it qualifies as "National"? Or do only the top cities count?

>>60716973
>Then move out of your shithole you stupid fuck.
yea lemme just uproot me, my stuff and my family to another state across the country just to pick another ISP with a local monopoly

I pay 80 bucks with 400gb data cap. Kill me.

>>60716979
I call bullshit. There might be no other cable provider, but I'm sure as shit there's a DSL provider.

>>60717055
I'm in Alberta, 100gb cap, dsl speeds

>>60717040

Where do you live. I bet I can find a decent ISP close to you.

You're just lazy.

This guy
>>60716973
>Then move out of your shithole you stupid fuck.
doesn't pay rent. Or a mortgage. Or living expenses.

I bet he's also against raising the minimum wage while expecting more people to flood into the metropolis anyway.

>>60717059
There is no other ISP. Actually theres satellite but thats even worse. Satellite doesn't even compete, no one uses it but direct TV users for television exclusively. Considering Satellite as a competitor to comcast is laughable

>>60716024
I love that you idiots have been played by the right wing corporate talking heads to fight against your own best interests while blaming the left for all of the shit that they're fucking you with.

>>60717067
>ISP close to you
but not enough to service me

TWC is about 20 miles away but they won't service my town. Cox won't either and verizon is non existent in my state

>>60717067
>You're just lazy.

Yep. Too lazy to get into law and spend my career fighting ISP-backed anti-competition laws, then establish my own local ISP installing all the infrastructure myself, and run it in my retirement until I die of old age..

>>60717100
>but they won't service my town

because it's not profitable. move out of your shithole.

>>60717034
When it's a universal problem. There's a chart in this thread showing that at least ten U.S. states beat out the current No.6 spot for fastest average internet. Let states with shitty internet deal with it if the residents care.

See
>>60716750
>>60716770

>>60716699
Yeah, and instead of having to make them go through government just give them full control directly. Solid plan.

>>60717109
>just pick up me, my stuff and my family and move across state or the country just to get better internet instead of expecting a monopoly to be reasonably broken up so that competition can flourish.

see
>>60717072
You don't pay rent and its easy for you to just say shit across the internet

>>60717083
Where do you live?

>>60717109
This. That's capitalism baby. The best thing about it is that it destroys culturally backwards ideas (race, nationalism, etc) and places that abide by them.

>>60716750
>Most of our Cable companies already deploy DOCSIS 3.0 and are already upgrading to 3.1.
But TWC doesn't deploy any routers that can take advantage of it which is the entire reason they're getting sued for

https://www.polygon.com/2017/2/9/14548880/time-warner-lawsuit-new-york-league-of-legends-netflix

>>60717112
>20% of America is OK by international standards
>Therefore there is no problem. Stop complaining.

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>>60717088
Yeah, we all know how great our internet has become in the last 8 years, don't we?

>>60717130
platteville, michigan

>>60717147
This. Trump is improving the internet by removing Obongo's restrictions on it f4m.

>>60717109
>because it's not profitable

>Government gave ISPs money hand over fist
>Repeatedly
>Over decades
>Just to address this problem

Why is it the consumer is considered lazy and not the company

>>60717142
At least. That doesn't show many other states that would likely make the cut as well. Overall USA is number ten. If people care they should petition their local governments. Leave the federal government out of it.

>>60717171
Companies are the only reason we have anything in America. Stop whining about them.

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>>60717164
What restrictions? The one where ISPs can't harvest your data for advertising purposes?

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>>60717026
What about TDS?

>>60717223
Everytime I "check availability" its "sorry we don't service your neck of the woods" I can get dialup from them through my phone but I already get phone service through comcast bundled with internet so its not worth it either way and why would I ever consider dial-up in 2017?

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>>60716005
>30X the size and population
Bullshit. The EU has a population density of 122 people per square kilometer. America has a population density of 33 people per square kilometer.

Do your math, Pajeet.

>>60717019
Not true. Comcast is known for paying lobbyists to essentially buy the local government and essentially ban any other ISP. So no, you're "be thankful pesant d'or the king has provided you with a bucket of shit to eat" bullshit you repulsive sycophant.

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>>60716005
>All these shills in this thread

Wow. Shareblue is out in force today.

>>60717242
1gb is not dial up, they even offer 10g wireless for christsake, and now you claim it's unavailable. Fishy.

because you live in a neo-liberal state where companies literally own your congress and every single regulatory agency in place to stop customers from getting fucked in the asshole

and you can't do anything about it because your retarded right wingers will screech 'muh free market' if you ever try to stop a CEO from dumping toxic waste on your local water supply

>>60717088
>your own best interests
kys faggot

>>60717172
>FUCK YOURS GOT MINE

Fundamentally, I believe the mentality is flawed SPECIFICALLY when it comes to net-societal benefits from certain critical things. There's a lot of shit I AGREE should be locally funded, petitioned, whatever. But there's some critical stuff which needs external funding. EG, the other big thing being education, where people not wanting their nickel going towards Tyrone's education in the poorer county didn't do the educational or social class gap any favors, which isn't good in the long run for everybody. Same shit with communications infastructure, it's simply too critical to 2005+12 like fucking drinking water is.

I doubt you'd agree to LEAVEGOVERMENTOUTOFDRINKINGWATER and welcome our Nestle overlords with open arms. So my question is basically why you think healthy telecommunications infrastructure isn't important for net societal benefit.

>>60717183
>>60717164
And this shit right here I really am losing my ability to tell what's ironic trolling and how much are actually brainwashed

>>60717269
>1gb is not dialup
I didn't say that

When I called the company years ago to find service when I bought my home they didn't service my area but could give me dialup. They wouldn't run fiber to me

>you claim its not available
because its not, its the entire phenomenon where people can get one ISP but across town theres a different ISP they can't get

>>60717147
You mean how it's become orders of magnitude faster over the past decade without you having to pay for "premium" price packages, à la cable?

>>60717266

>my local city council can't be voted out of office

good little cuck that you are

But assuming you are even remotely telling the truth, tell us who would want to compete with Comcast and why.

>>60717292
it's almost as if television producers have entirely different agreements with distributors than internet sites do. retard

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>>60717280
even ajit pai is rolling with it

>all these libcucks
Seriously though why do liberals even come to 4chan?

>>60717312
we have always been here.

De-regulation isn't some magic bullet that solves everything.

>>60717312

Nah they're just whiny entitled idiots from rural America.

Try any other leftist topic here and they immediately change gears.

>>60717282
>They wouldn't run fiber to me
You need 10-20,000$ and some heavy machinery rentals and any locals who are knowledgeable.

It can be done.

They will charge you for using it even if you pay for every piece of hardware and cable. A lot of places have laws preventing you from forming your own ISP, but if you've got neighbors you might be able to get people to chip in for the line costs since it can benefit them too.

>>60717300
> who would want to compete with Comcast and why

Google. Amazon. Etc. Literally every internet based company that's bigger than Comcast. They need as much of society as possible using them, and Comcast getting in the way of that is bad.

Google fiber is a fucking dream where it's been rolled out. The biggest reason they didn't completely fucking crush established ISPs is due to decades and decades of laws funded by ISPs to prevent exactly that.

>>60716019
What gaem is that?

>>60717335
>Google. Amazon. Etc. Literally every internet based company that's bigger than Comcast.

Wrong.

Google already tried and failed. Now they are pulling out completely even though they got way more monopolistic deals than Comcast/TWC etc.

>>60717335
um, no swetie, google quit because they didn't want to pay rent on utility poles owned by ISP's.

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>>60717267
have a (you) and go back

>>60717273
>incapable of accepting reality
As to be expected from a basement dwelling /pol/ NEET. Go post over there about how entitled everyone else is rent free, then jack off and hit up /r9k/ to do the same about women.

>>60717335
The cost isn't even that much, but to the company it would take too long to re-coup it

>>60717370
Wouldn't title II give them a break on pole access ?
I dont know if it would roll back the cost, but I am sure that title 2 would have made pole access a lot easier.

>>60716005
corporate greed.
y2k + 17 'murica is corporate shilling hard. companies tell us it's un'murican to want value and customer service, and we promptly agree.

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>>60717385
>>incapable of accepting reality
take a good long hard look in the mirror, friend-o

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>>60717373
Oh, now we post meme images? Is that right, a "meme?" I'm new to this.

>>60717405

Murica has faster internet than most Yuroclaps.

>>60717425
neon-haired beta faggot detected

>>60717401
Where was it, San Antonio? that the city owned like 70% of the poles, and (whoever isp) owned 30% The law states that the isp has to legally lease the poles for fair value. They tried, google said "fuck it, we won't pay, give it to us for free." And then they pulled out of the fiber business, because guess what? It's fucking expensive.

>>60717405
a large swath of Americans seem to hate the government , but seem to wholly trust companies which value profits above anything else.

>>60717453
>but seem to wholly trust companies which value profits above anything else

Those libtards sure do love Apple, the most profitable company in the world.

>>60717453
it's a hell of a lot easier to change companies than governments

inb4 muh monopolies

>>60717280
>why you think healthy telecommunications infrastructure isn't important for net societal benefit.

Look the internet is a really cool and potentially powerful thing. The thing is it was a cool and powerful thing at 14.4kbps.

Really all the societal benefits are realized at 5Mbps. Past that what you're really talking about is letting you, your wife, your wife's son, and you're wife's bull watch separate things on Netflix or Jewtube in 4k.

What's really missing is free market competition. Paying $50/mo for 5Mbps here is certainly annoying. It's not like it's harming society. Frankly if competition did bring the price down to $10/mo it would just let more ghetto niggers on. Does the internet really need more screenshots that have been through 100 generations of lossy jpeg compression?

It's not like water or sewage. Your melodramatic hyperbole serves no purpose. My neighborhood isn't going to have a designated shitting street because Jamal can't afford 1Gb/s internet

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>>60717425
Glad to see a fellow pede on 4chan.

>>60717453
Well those companies do provide a paycheck and nifty gadgets, and the government just wants our money, and to make our lives shittier. We love our military, tho. Don't mind paying taxes for those dudes.

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>>60717470
This. It's interesting to see how the US government has become so anti-SJW (all because of a retarded election) while basically all major companies are still pursuing their stated diversity and equality projects/goals.

>Why is US internet so shit?
AT&T & friends.

>>60716072
internet i cheaper in europe and there is no data caps
no one is paying more 50 bucks a month for internet here even with fiber

>>60717497

US internet is not shit though.

>>60717475
>if competition did bring the price down to $10/mo it would just let more ghetto niggers on
... that's literally the point of "net societal benefit" is getting poorfags included.

5 Mbps is fine for most people. It's literally unavailable for a shitload of people who aren't "profitable" enough to provide service to.

You're still missing the point. We pumped billions of taxpayer dollars into this shit for the purpose of "No poorfag nignog left behind" and STILL can't get ISPs to do anything but their best Garfield impression.

>>60717469
doesn't matter if they get up in the morning to MAGA or to watch John Oliver. Most 'muricans will still pause multiple times a day to suck off their iproducts. It's a national past time.

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>>60717476
hmmm that's weird

>>60717505
>>>/r/eddit
>>>/pol/
>>>/out/

>>60717452
I will dig into the pole access issue a bit more, but I will give you an example for Canada (and to some extent the UK as well)

The infrastructure here is owned by the incumbents that have been around for ages already, Bell and Rogers (cable) mostly, with some other players in the other provinces too.

What the CRTC (canadas version of the FCC) decided to do to spur competition was to mandate that Bell and Rogers *must* wholesale (plus reasonable profit) their lines out to competitors.

While the majority of people still directly go with Bell or Rogers for internet, there are dozens of choices outside of those two companies.
Fed up with Bell ? fuck them, you can get internet through a smaller company that treats its customers much better and gives better prices.

Sure its not the perfect solution, but Bell and Rogers cannot be too complacent otherwise their profits will end up being just from wholesale access.

>>60717509
He is quite objective.

>>60717504
Data caps are not counrty wide, you do realize that? Never had a data cap here. Some others might not be so lucky. But to say European internet is great is an outright falsehood. There are many people that complain about it, until we delve into these circle-jerk threads where suddenly, the EU internet is above reproach. It's disingenuous, at best.

>>60717347
ff tactics for gba

>>60717504
>internet i cheaper in europe and there is no data caps

Sure they dont:

https://werdrosselt.de/kabel-deutschland/

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>>60717526
A fucking leaf. I knew it.

>>60717557

More ISP caps:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/o2-bringing-in-broadband-data-caps-in-2014-in-germany-power-users-face-throttling/

>>60717561
why you so mad ?
im pretty comfy here

Gigabit down/ 40 up + premium TV package for ~100 moose money

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>>60716005 What are you talking about? Internet in EU costs a lot. Pic is only for Moscow, i have to waste 9$ on pitiful 60mb/s.

>>60717568
Jesus, lets talk about Germoney, and the internet censorship issue, shall we? Literally the government dictating the content. EU is fucked beyond imagining at this point. Let them have their cheep internet, it's an opiate for the masses.

Can someone explain to me why:
If a government utility would destroy the existing market, why that market is supposed to exist as it does and be left as it does? The whole fucking point of a freemarket is that it can sometimes run better than government in terms of efficiency and innovation. The whole fucking point of government regulation or utility is because sometimes it can run better than the free market running shit into the ground at the citizen's expense.
Why does ANYONE shit on one system but take the other up the ass and ride it all the way into hell like it's the greatest thing ever?
It's completely missing the point of why both approaches exist.

>>60717423
This. Trump won. Really loving all the snowflakes in this thread trying to bad mouth him. Your girl lost. THe internet is going to be white again. THe reign of normies has ended.

>>60717596
>but take the other up the ass and ride it all the way into hell like it's the greatest thing ever?
it's called paying for a product or service. if it is not satisfactory, you don't fucking pay you retard

>>60717506
>... that's literally the point of "net societal benefit" is getting poorfags included.
So what is the societal benefit of nig nogs on the internet? Do you think they're going to educate themselves with it? The benefit of cheap sewage is no darkies shitting up the designated shitting street.

>>60717617
>Utility vs Free Market is voluntary per citizen!
... the fuck are you smoking.

>>60716024
poor momiji

>>60717557
i'm not from germany but here in france the internet is 20/month for an ADSL line and 40 for a fiber line
and if you want 4G it's around 30 buck but there is data caps like 40/50gigs a month
>>60717545
ye i know but here even if you have the shittiest internet line you won't have data caps
but yeah it really depends where you are and how long the cable that run to your house is

>>60717596

Except they do.

Here's what happens when the government tries to run an ISP:

>Of the 20 projects evaluated, 11 are cash-flow negative.

>Of the 9 that are cash-flow positive, 7 would need more than 60 years to break even. (A network in Powell, Wyo., would take an estimated 1,253 years to break even at its current rate.)


>Only two — Bristol, Tenn., and Vernon, Calif., — are on track to break even within the life expectancy of the broadband network (30-40 years).

>Many cities managing these projects have faced defaults or reductions in bond ratings.


>Municipal fiber is not an option for the 86% of the country that is not served by a municipal power utility


Capitalism wins agains. Socialists/Marxists on suicide watch.

https://www.axios.com/many-city-run-broadband-networks-hit-financial-trouble-2421069148.html

>>60717645
the implication being that the free market is fucking everyone in the ass and government utility would make everything magical and free

>>60717648
my fellow pedes told me that's wolf girl ;^)

>>60717630
>So what is the societal benefit of nig nogs on the internet?
The same as paying for some poorfag nigger's education in another State. Given equal opportunity, the generations of nignogs will cease to be a burden on society sooner than if left to MUHBOOTSTRAPS

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>>60716726
excellent comrade, now you're getting it.

>>60717675
It's not equal if they have affirmative action quotas. That black doctor? He didn't get there because he had the best test scores.

>>60717653
>I DONT WANT TO PAY TAXES FOR THIS
...there's literally nothing stopping a government ISP from having positive cash-flow. If a Utility is non-profit, that's basically the point.

We already pissed away billions in tax-payer money to Corporate ISPs. It would have been better spent on a government utility that's deployed to areas the ISPs don't want to service, rather than handing a dumptruck of free money to a board of executives and expecting them to work for it after the fact.

>>60717312
because I've been here long enough to know that acting like a religious conservative baby boomer started out as irony until retards like you mistakenly assumed they found a retard-herd to join up with

you are the cancer of this website, /polfag/

>>60717700
>Affirmative Action butthurt is why I don't want poorfags to have equal footing

>>60717761

Relevant:
>Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.

>>60717312
How can you even get Internet out on your farm hillbilly cuck?
Get back on your tractor and get off /g/

>>60717506
>5 Mbps is fine for most people. It's literally unavailable
5 Mbps is easily achievable with DSL, which is available to virtually everyone with a phone line.

>>60717675
I already pay for broadband access in libraries that niggers can freely use. I really don't see why I should pay for Jamal's home line so he can watch nigger porn all day.

>>60717752
What if we didn't give either of them the money you dense piece of shit?