Anyone else happy to see AMD bringing the heat to Intel?

>>60689084
>45% more cores
memes are writing themselves

Absolutely, youd have to be a fanboy moron not to see that having two competative companies keeps them both in check and is better for all of us.

>>60689107
>64 cores!
>what do you need 32 cores for? 16 cores should be enough for anyone!

>>60689107
its a server cpu so moar cores is actually relevant

>>60689236
nothing in the real world is optimised for more than 4 cores anyway, anyone who buys this is a retard

>Intel about to get raped in the server market
>Say they're more than happy to lose marketshare in order to maintain 60% profitability
>/v/ermin crawl from the woodwork with shit like (>>60689312)

This is going to be an extremely entertaining few months.

>>60689084
Absolutely. Competition is the only thing forcing both companies to get better. I hope neither ever truly wins, because that's the only way WE win.

>>60689312
There's more to the real world than just games, and plenty of uses for a heavily threaded server.

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>>60689236
Intel's reaction to AMD

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>>60689312

Please stop being a corelet. Corelets have no future.

>>60689312
#kiked

>>60689336
anything that needs actual parallel performance uses specialised hardware, not binned chips. servers run xeons anyway

>>60689334
who are you quoting?

>>60689347
Right now, unless you're actually using a program that will utilise those cores, you don't need that many.

>>60689362
>oy vey you don't need more than 256mb ram
typical kiketel damage control

>>60689356
INTEL servers run Xeons. You see in the OP pic a rackmount chassis and text indicating dual sockets.

>>60689362

You don't say?

It's almost like software is increasingly parallel.

>>60689372
what are servers are relevant besides xeon servers? none of them even have 0.1% market share

>>60689356
>servers run xeons anyway
And what do you think they'll run when an option comes up greater parallel performance, greater memory capacity, lower power draw, and lower TDP so it's cheaper to cool.

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>>60689084

unironically calling your cpu ebyn...

Please let Ebyn sell like crack. A well funded AMD is only going to do wonders for the advancement of technology.

>>60689386
man you have no idea what you're talking about

>>60689084

No, out of the 7 billion people on the planet you are the only one.

>>60689409
>not understanding what it's a jab at
you must 18+ to post here

>>60689412
Nah, he's just shitting up the English Language so badly that he's hoping the subject changes away from how badly Intel are about to get their shit wrecked thanks to Jim Jew Killer Keller

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>>60689371
Kek.

You can future proof your stuff with more cores sure but you can also pay a lot less on the CPU if you know you don't need those cores.

>>60689382
I wish more were so more cores would be more useful

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>>60689409
ebin! :D:D:DDD

>>60689421
what is it a stab at?

>>60689412
intel servers to communicate with intel desktops makes sense, theres no reason to move away from the platform. Besides games most servers are still intel, but on the game market amd has no certifications, so why would go for them?

>>60689428
>>You can future proof your stuff with more cores
It's more like not crippling yourself to begin with.

>>60689428
Consider that the Q6600 and Core 2 Xeons were competitive long, long after Core 2 Duos stopped being relevant.

>>60689457
Do you know what diminishing returns means except in special cases like rendering and encoding?

>>60689469
Gibberish. Why are you trying so hard to justify this?

As much as i enjoy AMD making a comeback, all the threads about a 1-2% difference in performance for either side being proclaiming "BTFO [name] IS OVER"

>>60689480
Are just annoying. whops. hit post too soon.

>>60689476
You don't need 16 threads for a fucking desktop, retard. This considering you're not running gorillion instances of poojet quality software.

>>60689312
Because nobody multi tasks.

>>60689504
As far as i remember, one of the long term issues with multicore is software being written in a way that it targets core0 every time meaning everything tries to cram itself into the first core.

Unless modern CPUs are smart enough to say "NO. you use this core/tread, you use this one and you use this one"??

>>60689500
>let me tell you what you and everybody else needs
damage control this pathetic shouldn't be possible

>>60689557
99% of people don't even need a desktop. Kill yourself.

>>60689568
>"needing" electronic devices at all

fukkin nerd lmao

>>60689446
Intel's Itanium E.P.I.C.

>>60689084
>AMD bringing the heat to Intel
I appreciate your wordplay anon.

>>60689457
my primary computer was a Q6600 until a few months ago, still works. It was just fine for chrome, i used to stream games at 1080p 60fps. Its only limitation was 4gb of ddr2.

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>>60689568
>2017
>kys you are selfes

>>60689500
editing and rendering videos on my i5 4670 was a pain in the ass, on the ryzen 7 1700 it no longer is

are you going to tell me I don't need an 8 core 16 thread cpu? :^)

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>>60689520
No you fucking retard, even if programs are single-threaded the OS scheduler is aware and can balance multiple programs across multiple cores when multitasking.
And one of the initial bugs with Ryzen was that W10 didn't balance it correctly (it used cores in different CCXs even when there were available free cores on the same CCX, therefore increasing latency, or something like that).

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>>60690233
>or something like that

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>>60690270
Well, sorry if I don't research everything I shitpost on a Mongolian basket-weaving discussion site.

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>>60689084
I'M LITERALLY SHAKING RIGHT NOW

I HATE AMD SO MUCH

>>60689631
Are you also amused whenever you hear the Hot Chips symposium mentioned?

>>60689437
ebyn :DDDDDD

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>>60689500
Corelets. They never learn.

It's happening.

https://www.techpowerup.com/233945/amd-readies-nine-ryzen-threadripper-models

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>>60691396
Single. Socket. Shoah.

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>>60689312
It's a server CPU which will probably also be used in very high-end workstations.

Video rendering does use 100% of all available cores.

A webserver will distribute requests among all cores but probably not use 100% of all of them since you probably want to load-balance with more servers the moment you're nearing 70%, perhaps even 50%, during peek hours.

I could go on but it's enough to say that there's a whole lot of things that's "optimized" to use all available cores. This isn't something made with Windows gaming in mind - even if that's also something that needs a lot of cores these days. There is a difference between just playing some game that may or may not use more than 4 cores and live-streaming and real-time encoding the game you're playing. You will see a pretty huge difference between a 4 core Intel i7 and a Ryzen if you stream your games.

When will /v/ stop posting in server and workstation threads?

>>60689084
>bringing the heat
oi vey! anudda shoah!

>>60693915
Unfortunately, never.

>>60689236
>here goy heres your 8 cores
>what do you mean? why would you have more cores in a 4 core cpu?
>ok fine, if you want to upgrade from 2 to 4 cores you can by this code
>no refunds
>oh vey the goyim are killin me today

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>>60689084
>no solder on monolithic 18-core die
>cheap cum on a 165w TDP part
The only ones bringing heat are Intel.

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>>60695049

>>60689084
>Anyone else happy to see AMD bringing the heat to Intel?
Ya, I've been waiting for a good 6 core to finally come along
Ryzen has shit overclocking and doesn't support most fast ddr4.
That 7800k is looking good
Saw a screenshot of one at 4.7ghz 1.3V
Wasn't burning down a house either.

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>>60689084
>AMD is bringing the heat
Intel is bringing the heat themselves with their unsoldered processors.

>>60695577
You might as well just wait for Coffee Lake-S if you want a more affordable 6 core from Intel.

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>>60695619
When I saw the thread title I came to post that exact phrase.

I find it awfully strange how over the course of just one or two hardware generations the positions of two competitors could reverse so heavily. If only AMD brought the same level of hype with Vega.

>>60695861
>Just wait
The prices will probably drop a bit as time goes on.
$350 seems perfectly reasonable to be for 6core Intel OC and ipc

>>60695955
Intel already dropped the price on their HEDT massively as it is. I don't think the 6 core is going any lower than $390. Or it will start to butt up against the $350 6 core Coffee Lake S.

>>60695992
The 7800k has a MSRP of $389.
It will definitely drop from there.

>>60689312
>>60689362
>>60689500
>lmao, servers don't need more than 4 cores, idiots xDDDD
I want /v/ to leave.

>>60689312
Fuck, the internet was a mistake if shills like you can post retarded shit like this.

>>60689312
>Bait
Bait? Bait.

>>60696032
Doubt it.

>>60696180
Nice argument you got there.

>>60696227
I explained my argument here >>60695992
They're not going to price the consumer 6 core anywhere near the HEDT 6 core.

>>60696036
Lol I didn't even say servers. Retard

>>60696370
It's a thread about server cpus, are you fucking retarded?

>>60696390
Just because it's about server CPUs doesn't mean you need to stay on topic

>>60696397
Then make your own stupid thread, you stupid shit.

>>60690203
No

You need a 32 core / 64 thread CPU.

>>60689084

I mean, I don't see anything intel has that can compete socket for socket. I will have to see what workloads it can handle well but should be great for virtualization.

>>60689084
>literally MOAR COARS
post the picture

>>60695619
thats an intel processor

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>tfw I have had 6c12t for 7~ years now

Feels underpowered

>>60696888
>core voltage 1.554V
wew lad

>>60696888
Nehalem's could take some sick voltages.

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>>60696931
You think that is a lot of power?
You aint seen nothing yet
Quad sli fermis OCed + 990x oced = the sun

I maxed a 1500w PSU the silverstone ST 1500 was showing 1340w power load at the wall on a kill a watt
>You will never need more than a 800w PSU
Thats a myth or a meme idk

>>60696888
What cooling system?

>>60696971
>quad Fermi
Asianricer is that you?

>>60696971
> 128*C SSD
That has to be a broken sensor.

>>60696992
Aye lmao you caught me

>>60696817
MOAR COARS is kind of the point of server CPUs.

>>60689312
>>>/v/

>>60697005
Good to know you're not dead.

>>60697037
Not just server CPUs but all modern computers. Threading of applications is actually happening and with phones all having more cores it will happen at a quicker pace. Modern game engines are highly threaded at this point so the moar coarz meme is actually a reality.

I would never upgrade from a 4c4t chip to anouther 4c4t or even 4c8t chip. Its simple not worth it when you can pick up a zen chip with 8c16t for $310~ that has higher IPC than the mainstream intel chips(albeit it wont clock as high)
If the rumors of the threadripper chips running 5.05ghz are true intel might be in some trouble at least fore the HEDT market

COAR WARZ

>>60689107
Yup, servers.
You must be new and/or underage. Either way, BTFO.

>>60697106
see
>>60691396

>>60689084
fucking zerg rush cores

>>60696880
lrn2read&think

>>60697066
Not on the outside at least. That old rig is retired for the most part just used for blender rendering at this point.
I bought some cheap ass locked skylake and a z170 for temporary use.
Thought intel would bring some fire with broadwell extreme but they ended up being crap and even more overpriced so fuckem.
Kabylake-x looks like crap cooling looks like it will be a major issue.
>>60697146
Yea I saw the factory boost to 4.1 which is higher than what most current Ryzen chips OC on a nice cooler run. Maybe threadripper fixed some of the issues to allow a higher OC?
I know the silicon is good enough as der8auer OCed a Zen chip to 5.8ghz

>>60696370
>In server CPU thread
>Lol I didn't even say servers.
>>>/v/

>>60697276
There's no hard limit at 4.1 on normal cooling, people are just afraid of going over 1.45V, I've seen some 4.3GHz ryzens on watercooling around though.

>>60696880
Yes

>>60696888
>threads: 6
6c12t, eh?

>>60689185
If you read between the lines you can tell they are colluding secretly.

>>60689312
>I only use my PC as a video game console so that means everyone else does as well

>>60697929
990x is a 6c i7 with HT so 12t
Looks to be disabled for the OC

>>60689345
this racist bullshit really rustles my jimmies

>>60689345
Keep this in /pol/

>>60689185
What I don't get, is intel still fucking up their TIM even though AMD is pulling a lot more attention right now.

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>>60697998
>>60698031
Nice try faggots.

>>60697947
Looking pretty /x/ in here.

>>60689312
>he thinks people are buying these for individual, home use

>>60689446
I dunno if these people here are idiot or just bait.
I'm on a team developing geolocation systems from power grid management. We have a server that is used by 20 people, it's a top of a xeon 12 core that at time cost +2000$. Now scale that up to systems that can actually run 5/6 virtual servers on top of a 64 core platform. Now you see where lower power bill really matters, and how much aquisition costs can be cut.

Companies don't just change server hardware because a new is available, it's either due to eol or due to better performance cost reduction. When you buy a 64 core platform you expect it to run for ateast 5 years.

>>60697408
No but after 4 it seen voltage logarithmic scales with frequency and some you can't make stable no matter how much juice you pump

>>60689362
>Right now, unless you're actually using a program that will utilise those cores
..........what if you use multiple programs that only use 1 core

>>60698320
That's great, you can assign programs to use a specific core each.

>>60690233
>one of the initial bugs with Ryzen was that W10 didn't balance it correctly
That was proven false, not only did W10 know how to spread the loads, it knew what was and was not a real core, and it grouped them on each CCX if it could, meaning it knew of the diffrence between each CCX

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>>60698047
They figure dropping the prices on their HEDT by a couple hundred should be enough. And maybe they're right. Who knows, we'll see. Nobody really bought their older HEDT platform due to the price.

>>60698330
>you can assign programs to use a specific core each.
You dont have to, the OS will spread the load out among cores as needed ...............
>we /g/ now

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>>60698393
woooooow, amazing.

>>60698393
................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................that sounds pretty convenient but only when using multiple programs

>>60689312
It's not a bad thing to push bounds if they can be done at a fair price. The only issue at the moment is that having a fuck ton of cores doesn't mean much unless you have a shit ton of programs open or you have programs specifically written to take advantage of multiple cores. I'd take a few less cores if the processor speed of each core was greater.

>>60698462
>thinks the conventional PC can actually do more than a single thing at a time

>>60698929


t. 2 core threadlet and ramlet

>>60698929
Have you heard of dual cores and up?

>>60689107
It's a server platform dipshit. Most of these machines are going to be running multiple instances of VM's managed by a hypervisor.

It's just not efficient to have multiple physical machines/servers with fewer cores.

You can distribute the load dynamically, so when one VM needs the resources/is under heavy load it can scale up, then scale down when it does not need them. When one VM is idle or has almost no clients connected to it just automatically allocate it one core. That way when one of your server instances get hits with a metric fuckton of traffic you can give it a shit ton of cores/memory to handle the situation.

>>60696971
Sweet mother of CUDA, what are you running on that thing?

>>60696971
>Kill a watt
Kek

In conclusion, more cores are better for servers and not so much better for (You) unless you do things like run a server or do a lot of media editing.

Sage

/thread

>>60701860
Wrong thread, buddy. Try >>>/g/sqt

>>60701899
Oh shit sorry, was lurking and posted in wrong one I guess, thanks

These new next gen server cpus have caused great memes. What do people on /g/ need server cpus for?

>>60702017
They want them to exist so AMD can holocaust intel.

>>60689312
100% straight bullshit. Anything at scale will be heavily optimized to be parallelizable. Any server-side service will be able to use as many cores as you can throw at it.

>>60702017
to bring down the price of servers is what i mainly want it for. at the moment, almost all severs (cloud, vps, decicated) are on experience xeon cpus

>>60702117
expensive* not experience

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>>60699594
LOL DIDN U HEAR MORE CORES R A MEME

>>60689084
Is that dude wearing a wife beater under his jacket?

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She makes my penis Ryzen

>>60702017
Because Epyc exists, Threadripper will exist and Threadripper will bring 2:1 infinity fabric speeds and 3.6/4.0ghz clocks to 10-16 cores, allowing better single-threaded AND multi-threaded performance than you can presently get in an 8+ core CPU.

Also means I can comfortably game or whatever while rendering 1080p 60fps videos rather than having my computer come to a standstill during rendering.

>>60689084
Competition is always good. Consumers win.

>>60702827
EPYC WINS

>>60702718
That is a female wearing a blouse

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Look at the size of this motherfucker!

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>>60689312
>EPYC is for gaymen

>>60702766
Chinese mom is best mom.

>>60702852
o shit

>>60702958
Did your mom also physically pleasure you? Post greentext

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>>60702870
Thanks a THICC-ASS cpu

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>>60702973
>>60689312
>Sitting in my room
>browsing for porn with door open like a retard
>My desk is positioned towards the door, screens facing away
>Chinese Mom comes inside
>ohshit.bat
>close tabs for porn
>Scoot chair in closer so boner is hidden under desk
>Open Steam on one monitor
>Open /g/ and click on first thread on the other monitor
>pretend to be interested and reading through replies
>Goddamnit
>Its another 7700K vs 1800X shill post
>When will these AMD fags learn
>I only have the 6700K, but Kabylake is only 1% faster...
>"Whats this anon? More computer stuff?"
>convert description into layman terms
Uh yeah, its about a new CPU type coming out.
>"Oh how interesting! Whats it called?"
Its called Ryzen, People think its better than my CPU, mom, but its not
>Mom edges in, getting really close to my face
>"Oh really, this text says here it has more cores? Doesn't that make it better?"
>Her voice drops, and she grabs at my knee
N-not always, nothing in the real world is optimised for more than 4 cores anyw-ways...
>Her hand starts sliding up my thigh
Anyone w-who buys this is a r-retard...
>Hand catches on my poorly concealed bulge and squeezes
>She turns and looks me straight in the eyes, her glasses gleaming from the glare on my monitors
>"You don't sound very convinced yourself..."
>Her breathing starts getting heavy
>"Whats the matter anon?"
>Unzips dick
>"Don't you want to rip some ebyn threads?"

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>>60703206

>>60702827
Wrong.
Competition=less revenue for company A=less R&D=less innovation!

>>60690233
No. Schedulers are not responsible for splitting programs into additional threads. What they can do is preempt a task to stop so another task can begin so that each task meets their respective deadlines without failing causing race conditions. Single threaded tasks don't get split, period. The developer is responsible for writing multithreaded programs and respecting atomics. The problem is when a multithreaded program needs to access memory and make a trip L3/2/1. Infinity Fabric is pretty slow (comparitively to even traditional uncore communication, but is infinitely more versatile), and is set 1:1 to memory clocks (2:1 to memory controller), some people did armchair math and said it's about ~40GB/s for 2400MHz. This is already way faster than Intel Quickpath; it's kind of like a nether region between a dual socket processor and straight up having a ring-bus. Some do speculate that Threadripper and EBYN goes 4:1 with the memory controller which you would be hard pressed to even intentionally discover such a bottleneck.

>>60697998
He doesn't know.
>it's all /pol/

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>>60695619

>>60691647
>Video rendering does use 100% of all available cores.
Unless you are encoding VP8/VP9.

I was about to buy a budget AMD pc but all their fucking cards are sold out because crypto-currency faggots fuck

>>60689312
make -j you fucking corelet

>>60703674
What we don't know if infinity fabric has different domains that are clocked at 2:1

We know CCX > CCX is clocked at memory speed, but what about memory controller > CCX? That's certainly not at 1:1 else the latency would be beyond terrible.

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>>60703674
>reading comprehension
He said every single threaded program targeted core 0, therefore there was no benefit on using multiple cores when multitasking (using many single-threaded programs). I didn't argue that the scheduler split single-threaded workloads into multiple threads, I just said it balances many single-threaded programs into many cores.

>>60689107
>epyc

>>60689084
>AMD bringing the heat
IS he having a laugh?

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>>60702766
>THYCC CPU
>THYCC CEO
How can Intel even compete?