/hpg/ - Headphone General

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>unironically owning a iPhone
Ishygddt

>>60637370
>aftermarket cable

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>>60637370
>not naming your animemes image to upset autists
Posted from my Galaxy Note 4.

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Anyone else miss these?

FWIW, I think the new Fostex headphones are vastly inferior.

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I'm back to not rant about my Philips SHP9500S. Man, these headphones are alright. Especially with premium ANKER(tm) cables that really clean up the high end and add deep rich bass.

>>60637466
>Especially with premium ANKER(tm) cables that really clean up the high end and add deep rich bass.
u wot m8

>>60637466
It literally does not matter what aux cord you use.

>>60637479
It's a joke my man

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Don't mind me, just posting the world's best headphones.

>>60637553
Hey man, mind if I try 'em out for a bit?
>snap

>>60637524
That guy looks shell shocked like 'I spent how much on this wtf'

what makes DACs so expensive? I can make my own dac with an arduino

>>60637782
>why are DACs so expensive
They're not, you can get one for $20 off amazon
>can I make my own DAC
Yes
>with an Ardunio
No

>>60637851
>No
but I can

>>60637883
Have at it then

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>>60637511

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>>60637883
I mean you technically could if you want to spend the rest of your life working a huge ass board.

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>>60637511


>>60637851
Whats a nice $20 DAC I can get on Aliexpress?

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>>60637437
>FWIW, I think the new Fostex headphones are vastly inferior.
really? because everyone else thinks the opposite and points out all the old fostex denons sounded ear-rapey in the high end despite being generally lower in bass. imo only the lowest one, what became the cal, was the only one that didn't sound fatiguing. and the new one doesn't fatigue as well.

>>60637466
can't remove the pads, sounds worse than the 598 and doesn't cost much less, so you might as well get a sennheiser or something else. they got meme'd hard by head-fi, reddit, and zeos who said they sound as good as the hd800. being $40 on newegg at the time helped too. they're not bad, but if you can't wait to save for a 598 just get a superlux for half the cost or something used.

>>60637615
>>60637524
the guy is a prop for the product, man

>>60638097
dunno about ali but one site was selling that nice sabre one as a stand-alone unit with a shell, line out, led, everything for like $23

>>60638119
>can't remove the pads

You can remove tha pads on the shp 9500, I've done so 2 times already to wash them.

https://youtu.be/VW2txDV5UNQ?t=75

>>60638119
The 9500s are what now around a 1/3rd of the cost of the 598s when they go on sale at newegg not looking at eBay right now but I'd bet there still half the price vs the used market and you could still get the 9500 used as well. The superlux 668b while warmer are much worse in the highs as well as being more comfortable. Pads are replaceable if you're not scared of glue although I'm not sure why you would as they are pretty comfortable as is. 'Just save up' is an argument that can be used against anything, even the 598s

>>60637437
The D2000 were not perfect, but they were damned good.
And yes, I like the D2000 more than the current Fostex 'replacements'.
I jumped ship to the Mr. Speakers Alpha Primes before they were discontinued.

What's the difference between the HD 598 SE and the HD 598 SR? Or is S"R" just a typo on Amazon?

>>60637437
No, because I still use mine for my work headphones.

>>60637370
>Ishygddt
I am new to the internet, what does this mean?

>>60637553
Those aren't the HD650s.

>>60638263
I think the SR is the non-exclusive amazon edition, yeah it's on amazon too, the SE was supposed to be exclusive to amazon.

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Help me find new pads /hpg/. I currently have Cosmos AKG K240 velours with the EQ in pic related on my 668B's. They sound pretty good though it's a bit lacking in the sub bass (muh rumble). I've tried my SR950's pads on them and they bring up muh bass but I don't want my SR950's without it's stock pads. I'm thinking HM5 Hybrids or Brainwavs Round Pleathers. Any suggestions?

>Budget
Willing to dish out up to 150, maybe a bit more
>Location
USA USA USA
>Source
Will be plugging into a PC
>Type of headphone
Over the ear plz
>Open or closed
Preferably closed by admittedly dont know much so what are the pros and cons between the two?
>Comfort level
Will be used for long term gaming so this is very important. need maximum comfy
>Sound signature
Dont know shit about it so don't care
>Past headphones
Am currently using Logitech G430

Some additional info. I am using these for gaming primarily but also movies and music. I need virtual surround sound for sure. Quality and comfort are most important here. Also a mic would be better but if the quality of the headphone is good enough I'm willing to buy an external mic as well. Bonus if someone could recommend one.

You guys are the experts so I will take your advice to heart. If I did this wrong let me know and I'll try to fix myself.

>>60638676
Forgot to add, I prefer wired please. I hate having my shit die on me randomly desu

>>60638676
HyperX Cloud II, although virtual surround sound is a meme and I personally would save the money and get a Cloud Core.

>>60638717
Why is it a meme? Genuinely curious. Don't know shit

>Budget
350
>Location
Canada
>Source
Desktop
>Type of headphone
Over
>Open or closed
Had closed before, can go for either.
>Comfort level
Any
>Sound signature
TRUE Neutral
>Past headphones
M50x then the M40x

>>60638735
You're wearing headphones which are inherently stereo. If you want actual surround sound, invest in speakers.

>>60638735
It sounds artificial, unnatural and sounds like shit with music. Stereo with decent soundstage and good imaging (perception of spacial depth and accuracy of transitioning from left to right) absolutely trumps 7.1 Surround.

>>60638771
>>60638791
Ahh I see I see. Well I guess I would prefer something that just is best at imeersing you. I guess I was just ignorant as to what my options were. Would the HyperX Cloud II's still be a good choice?

Would the Schiit Magni 2 be a fine intro amp to use with a pair of HD 650s? It would be connected with my Focusrite Scarlett 6i6

I'm looking at getting a pair of R70x's. anyone have opinions on this?
going audio technica because its cheaper here.

>>60638742
HD600 + E10k.

You can get the O2+ODAC or Magni+Modi instead of the E10k if you want to spend more on the source for whatever reason.

>>60638802
Haven't been to /hpg/ in a while, but the HyperX Cloud was the only headset that ever got commonly recommended here since it has a decent headphone at its base (Takstar Pro 80).

If you want the best immersion and soundstage, you should consider open headphones + separate mic though I'm not sure what's the best these days for that budget.

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Have some Seinnheiser HD 485. Should I keep them, buying new cuffs and cable, or buy a new pair?

>>60638885
If you have time can you explain why open headphones offer better immersion?

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>>60638885
>Budget 350
>HD600
>Sennheiser HD 600 Open Dynamic Hi-Fi Professional Stereo Headphone by Sennheiser on Amazon ca for CDN$ 527.28

>>60638954
Wow, Canada really gets fucked in the ass.

HD600s are usually ~300 USD and hit 250 occasionally when good deals appear around holiday season.

I want a planar that has the balance of HD600.

Thoughts?

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>>60638968
>Wow, Canada really gets fucked in the ass.
Tell me about it, importing my occasional Chinese cartoon toys from Nihon kills my monopoly money.

>>60638954
I know your economy was shit but jesus fucking christ

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Do they sound as good as they look?

>>60638935
Open headphones provide a wider, more airy soundstage since the sound is not being closed in / reflected by the isolating cups of closed headphones. The best sound quality headphones are all open for a reason.

Of course this is at the expense of isolation and privacy.

>>60638935
They usually sound more natural in general, have a relative wide soundstage (spatial depth) and good imaging (stereo transitioning from left to right) for example: AKG K612/K712/K702, Superlux HD 681/668B, SHP9500, HD 558/598, DT880/990, etc. There are some weird exceptions with this like HD 600/650's being open yet narrow.

>>60639027
>>60639048
Ok you guys are starting to convince me. So what are some good open headsets for gaming?

>>60638935
It makes the music sound spacious, natural. I'm sure it sounds like audiophile bullshit but it really isn't. Was just listening to jurassic park soundtrack in flac on my fidelio X2s and man is it an experience to behold. You have to try a good open pair and well mastered music, you'll understand.

>>60639069
None. Get a pair of openback headphones with a V Moda Boom mic or a Mod Mic

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>using a stupid anime girl pic in the OP

>>60639129
I didn't mean they had to be made for gaming specifically but thats what I'll be using them for mostly. I just wanted some recommendations in the 0-175 usd price range

>>60639069
Philips fidelio x2 or other headphones that are have a slightly loud bass. When gaming it's about a fun sound and not strictly tonal accuracy. Also like a other anon said, there are no open back headsets. You get a pair of real music headphones and put a mic on them.
Sorry for samefag >>60639116 I didn't refresh the thread

>>60639150
>>60639129

I guess I was showing my ignorance by referring to them as headsets. I meant headphones, I didn't really think about what the difference is. The fidelio x2 is like 400 dollars right? Anything a little more affordable?

>>60639176
Nvm that was just on one website I found a pair for like 180

>>60639148
>>60639176
AKG K612, HD 558/598, DT880
X2's are $250 USD

>>60639195
>DT880
Are these even that good?

>>60638676
>>Open or closed
>Preferably closed by admittedly dont know much so what are the pros and cons between the two?
Open typically sound more natural and have wider soundstage (sounds seem like they're coming from outside the headphone instead of being pumped directly into your brain) The design means sounds will escape out of the headphone, possibly annoying people near you. Also sounds from outside will leak in, possibly becoming a distraction; this can be a plus if you consider sounds that you do want to hear, such as your doorbell, car alarm, oven timer, etc.

Closed headphones prevent other people from being bothered by your headphones and will keep distracting noises out, but typically don't sound as wide and natural as open headphones.

If you're gaming, it's usually open if you can, closed if you must. These are generalizations though, there are of course always exceptions. Try to check as many sources and reviews for whatever you look into before buying.

>>Sound signature
>Dont know shit about it so don't care
This is actually incredibly important and will have a huge impact on how well your headphones perform with your preferred music and games. There are a few basic options to look at here, so let's keep it simple: what kind of music do you listen to most? And in games, would you prefer earth-shattering kaboom, or are you more competitive and need to hear every footstep to reduce your chances of getting caught off-guard?

>Some additional info. I am using these for gaming primarily but also movies and music. I need virtual surround sound for sure. Quality and comfort are most important here. Also a mic would be better but if the quality of the headphone is good enough I'm willing to buy an external mic as well. Bonus if someone could recommend one.
Again, you should provide more info about your tastes, but just for a starting recommendation:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LDTRJG4

>>60639213
> what kind of music do you listen to most?
Not him, but what is good for something like vocals?

>>60639176
Make sure you get an amp that could run them unless theyre super low impedance.

>>60639208
DT880 is one of the "classic" headphone trio along with K702 and HD600 so they're generally regarded very well. Has a notably wide soundstage.

However, without a source beyond your desktop I dunno if you want to splurge that much beyond your budget, since people generally buy a separate amp/dac for it (a good cheap option would be the E10k which is like $75) once you get to that tier of headphones.

>>60639213
>what kind of music do you listen to most?

Manchester Orchestra, Sun Kil Moon, Portishead. Just chill ass indie music.

>would you prefer earth-shattering kaboom, or are you more competitive and need to hear every footstep to reduce your chances of getting caught off-guard?

I like both but will probably be playing more singleplayer games and would prefer earth shattering for sure.

Also thank you for being so helpful.

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>>60639261
Surprisingly, I looked it up and the DT880s are $330CAN, just within the budget I posted earlier.

Will the semi-open build quality mess up the soundstage?

>>60639291
HD 600 sound great with The Dear Hunter and Manchester Orchestra due to their intricacies in production (especially TDH)

>>60639308
Would the HD 598s be a good alternative? the 600s are a little out of budget

>>60639301
Nope, 'Semi-Open' is kinda tossed around loosely but it's still open

>>60639301
No, semi-open is just open. The soundstage on DT880 is one of its strengths.

Make sure you're getting the 250 or 600 ohm version and not the 32 ohm. The 600 version I believe is supposed to be marginally the best, but it's harder to drive and pretty much requires an amp.

>>60639333
>>60639343
Thanks, I'll probably get the 250ohm and go past my budget with an amp.

>>60639356
The 600 ohm version seems to be significantly cheaper than the 250, so you might as well get the 600 and an amp.

>>60639317
Ive heard good things. Might want to check some Audio Technica offerings like the ATH-AD2000X

>>60639387
>The 600 ohm version seems to be significantly cheaper than the 250
I can't find the 600ohm on Amazon ca

>>60639421
https://www.amazon.ca/Beyerdynamic-880-Premium-600-Headphones/dp/B0024NK35S/

Pair with this or something:
https://www.amazon.ca/FiiO-Olympus-Headphone-Amplifier-Black/dp/B00LP3AMC2/

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>>60639428
Oh shit, thank you so much.

>>60638840
Yes.

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>>60639432
Enjoy.

>>60638742
>Open, over ear, true neutral.
HD600 is as close as you'll get.

>>60638954
HD579, k702.

>>60639465
see >>60638954
I'm going to have to pass on it unfortunately.

>>60639176
>>60639150
>for gaming
>recommends colored headphones instead of neutral ones
Anon...

>>60639472
DT880-600 for $190 USD is actually a damn good deal, better than you can get it in the US currently.

Probably your best option.

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I did it. I finally went and ordered them.

Gonna be putting my LCD-2's for sale. Don't need 'em both.

>>60637553
>>60638460
And they certainly aren't HD800 either

>>60639545
You must be a true negro.

>Budget
$200- Flexible
>Location
USA
>Source
Pc and Android Smartphone
>Type of headphone
Full
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Quality of sound>comfort
>Sound signature
Neutral preferred, if not its all good
>Past headphones
$20 Pc headset

More info - Im interested in something that could work for gaming and media on my pc but also for music on the go. Prefer closed because i dont want sound leak on a plane, bus, etc. Would prefer something not super bulky so i am able to wear it or put in my backpack easily.

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Senn
>No bass
>No soundstage, forget about movies and gaymen
>Snaps without asking first

AKG
>Stibeti stab your earballs, extended use too uncomfortable

Beyer:
>Nigger bass
>No mids
>Punctured ear drum

Audio Technica:
>No bass
>Meme cans for gaymen

Philips
>Nigger bass

It's like there's always someone to hate everything you want to try.
Open backs are the impossible things.

Picture unrelated

>>60639725
There's no perfect headphone. Post-purchase rationalization creates rabid fanboys who blow flaws out of proportion. Thus, /hpg/.

>>60639545
No TH-X00 with different pads?

>>60639843
no, better drivers

>>60639456
Can the E10K even power a 600ohm?

I researched quite a bit and found out that I might need a Magni 2 and a Modi 2 to do so. Do you have any idea about this?

>>60640329
Tried a Fiio E10k on some T50rp mkiii and it wasn't nearly loud enough

>>60639859
idk if $900 justifies that much of a change but since you have the money and enjoy them, shit just werks

>>60640329
Magni 2 runs laps on e10k.

>>60640440
>>60640528
Mangi 2? Got it.

I assume I need a pair of RCA cables too? and do any of them come with USB A to Bs?

>>60640645
>pair of rca cables
If you want to connect to a PC's analog output, else get PYST from Schiit to link with modi.
>usb
Only if you get a modi. Any type A to B will work.

Mah headphones be dying
It's a pair of 3-4 year old turtle beach px-12's
Any good replacements?

>>60640674
Forgive my stupid questions, but do I only need to have a Magni for my setup?

How much would a DAC like a Modi affect me if I didn't have one? Just a more poor sound quality?

>>60640730
>do I only need a Magni?
If you have an analog source, yes.
>How much would a DAC like a Modi affect me if I didn't have one?
Depends on how much your analog source sucks. Computers are a mixed bag.
>modi 2 vs fulla 2 vs modi 2 uber
Modi 2 Uber > Fulla 2 > Modi 2
Grab "modi 2 non-uber" only if your Magni 2 is non-uber and you really, really want a device that looks pretty under/above your Magni 2 non-uber. Otherwise, Fulla 2 is a much more useful device and has the same DAC.
Modi 2 Uber uses different metal for the case (the same as Magni 2 Uber) and has some extra spdif inputs, which might be useful.

>>60640782
Alright, thanks for the info.
Hopefully I can purchase these within a week and put em together.

>>60640510
It's less drastic a purchase considering I'm selling my LCD-2 for them.

>>60637511
does anyone wear m50s?

I'm going to Germany soon and intend to buy a Philips shp9500. What are my options?

>>60637553
>guaranteed replies

I love my HD600s (apart from the shit stock cable which inevitably will break, but you can just put an HD650 cable on), but they aren't the HD800.

>>60638341
i seriously hope you guys don't do this

shiggy

>>60640329
>Can the E10K even power a 600ohm?
yes. that isn't the question. question is how loud you need your headphones to be. magni 2 has much more power than fiio. you are safer with it.

I have a speaker cable question /hpg/ (lacking a speaker general to post in). I've recently inherited my Father's old hifi-system, including a McIntosh 275 and generally a lot of old but high-end equipment.

I'm planning on setting it up in my home, because I always liked how it sounded. That said I need much longer cables than he has. The thing is he uses 7AWG cables over 3m for 3Ohm speakers, and I simply can't see why you would need that (especially over such a short travel length). I'm probably going to need 10m cables, but back of an envelope I can't see myself needed anything thicker than 10/12 AWG. That's extrapolated from 4Ohm figures though, you don't see much for 3Ohms.

Does using 10/12AWG under these circs sound intuitively wrong to anyone?

>>60641811
sounds good to me

>>60641811
He probably just used those cables for the placebo memes. 10AWG/10m sounds pretty good. You can place the speakers close to each other and compare the cables. Listen to the bass specifically.

>>60639493
Why the fuck would you want studio monitors for playing games

I'm using audio technica ath-m50x at home on my pc

is it worth buying one of those headphone amplifier thingies

I think my friend has one from fiio and he says I should buy one it makes the sound so much better

>>60642243
That's a good point anon, I'll compare them when I set them up.

My guess is he was worried about cables melting with 75-100W/channel, so thought thicker is better.

>>60639670
MSR7 would be a good option.

>>60642292
I game with HS5's, they're great for everything.

>>60637297
so, that cartoon girl looks kinda like my wife

>>60642858
>girl

I am looking for full size, open back headphones, in the 1000 dollar range. Comfort is of the utmost importance. My headphones I currently use are the Sennheiser HD650. I tried the Audeze LCD-2 once, but one of the drivers died in them so I returned them, they also hurt after prolonged periods of time.

I think the Audeze LCD-2 sounded better, in spite of it's deal breaking caveats. One of the things I liked about these headphones, is they give you the feeling of the sounds being right in the room with you more often than the sennheiser HD650, which only gives that feeling every now and then. The only pair of headphones which seem to be similar (based on the ultimate guide to metal headphones chart on head fi) are the kennerton odin, which are twice my budget.

I will be plugging these into the Magni 2 and Modi, but I would upgrade. Amplifiers are too confusing for me to even try to get into.

I live in the united states.

I don't get how people have a preference over one sound signature, like bass, treble, or midsection. I think they're all important, but I never cared much about having a ton of bass. I like the bass in my headphones to be tight and controlled, and punchy. I have a preference realism in the instruments, I like the feeling of lifelike imaging. I also like a wide sound stage, that's one of my favorite things about the HD650 is their wide open feeling.

I like a lot of different genres of music though, my favorite right now is classical. My preferences tend to be harsh and abrasive (I have found that the headphones people normally associate with "rock music" do not fit the harsh abrasive stuff I like). I also like folksy music. I like calm, spacy music like ambient or drone or drone folk. I like interesting ambient or microtonal music with a lot of stereo effects. My taste is all over the map, so a good "all rounder" would do. I don't care about pop music or dancy music, I will say that.

>>60643000
Sennheiser 800D

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>>60643124

>>60643173
>cables

Guys i think i need decent earphones that will not leak sound outside and wont give me tinnitus. I also aim for not very expensive ones with great price performance ratio. Please help a newfag.

>>60639432
Is this a kuma animu?

>>60642537
Why don't you just try his?

>Budget
$80 tops.
>Location
United States of America
>Source
3.5mm jack on laptop and phone.
>Type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
ComfyMax
>Sound signature
Neutral or neutralish.
>Past headphones
NVX XPT100 for desktop use, I like it. You guys told me to buy it.
Xiaomeme Piston something that makes horrible noises every time they're plugged in or any tension is on the cord. /csg/ told me to buy it. No Chink shit please.

>>60643221
I don't really care about cables either.

>>60643401
>$80 tops.
lmao holy shit

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>>60643670
Oy vey goyim.

>Budget
100$ US
>Location
burgerland
>Source
plugged into a subpar ""ultrabook"" sort of thing
>Type of headphones
Over Ears, preferably
>Open or closed
Whichever offers better noise cancelling; no preference
>Comfort Level
Pretty comfy
>Sound Signature
No real preference
>Past Headphones
Shitty 5$ earbuds from wal mart, a mediocre pair of skullcandies a while ago

>additional info
I need to block out noise while I'm working, and I don't want to spend more than a hundred.

>>60637297
I'm going full normie and newfag with this one I think but here I go.
I want a headphone like the razor electra but without paying for muh gaymur bullshit. One of my classmates have one and when I borrowed it to use it on my phone it was a total eargasm. I know nothing about this, but I do know that classic music on FLAC sound awesome.

>>60643401
>>60643710
Decent IEMs cost a lot more than decent headphones. You're going to have to step it up. Think laptop vs desktop.

>>60637414
Anime

Jpg

No

>>60643401
Sennheiser IE80

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>>60637524
in all honesty tough, can we really justify buying an mp3 device for anything other than a device with its own battery or physical size?

>>60643401
If ypu like the XPT100 get the Brainwavz M2.

>>60643401
Carbo Tenore with some comply foam tips.

>>60639725
>Audio technica
>No bass

Wut?

>>60643956
>>60644212
Status CB-1 or XPT100 if you want comfy and neutralish.

>>60643173
No focal Utopia?

>>60639725
ISK HP2011 from CSG:
>everything is just perfetct

>>60644912
It's an old chart.

>>60644212
HD600.

>>60644212
>no mic
>no volume control
and headphone will be more durable and don't look like shit.

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Anything better than these (in terms of sound quality/isolation/build) for the same price? Or are these still the go-to IEMs?

>>60645023
Sennheiser HD 800
But even better this:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/real-silicone-sex-dolls-robot-japanese-140cm-anime-love-doll-realistic-toys-for-men-big-breast/32717614173.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000013.5.F3CXPX&traffic_analysisId=recommend_2088_3_82199_new&scm=1007.13339.82199.0&pvid=b643b48a-1dc0-48a3-81ce-b3f5bd0fad46&tpp=1

599 or 598?

Could someone give me the skinny on amplifiers? Do they matter beyond having enough wattage to power certain headphones? It gets really annoying, seeing people on head fi talking about headphones "needing more juice" and using really non technical terms and shit like "spreads it's wings". It makes me want to vomit. People seem to just spend hundreds or thousands more on amplifiers to justify these totally arbitrary differences. Everyone seems to tell me that the magni 2 and modi will not power things like the HE500, the HD800, or anything else to their "full potential". Well what the fuck does drive these headphones to their "full potential" and why is not magni 2 not enough? Fuck off.

>>60645506
A skinny, huh...
Sure, here you go.

http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/02/gain-and-headphone-ampsdacs.html

http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/09/more-power.html

Looks like this another shitposting general. No one fucking helps newbies. Sad.

>>60645506
Cans need juice.

>>60645387
False dichotomy. Why not 600 or 579?

>>60645506
Headphones come factory locked. To unlock them, you need a power supply capable of unleashing high amounts of current and breaking through the headphones' impedance.

>>60645687
600's are too expensive, 579's are the stronger candidates for now, also, 579 or 598?

>>60645657
Welcome to chanfour, Trump-senpai.

>>60645731
Is this trolling? I have literally never read this anywhere or heard anyone say this before, and I've read hundreds of headphone reviews.

>>60645797
It was a silly attempt at an ELI5.

>>60645731
>>60645797
>>60645852
Ok, seriously, read "the problem" and "the easy way" here: https://nwavguy.blogspot.ie/2011/09/more-power.html
And there's this nice web-based tool that'll run the numbers for you: https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/sennheiser/hd-600/with/schiit/fulla-2

I wonder if you people know about that one patrician Japanese headphone reviewer. Hmm.

>>60645900
But Japs have sideways ear canals so it would sound different to them.

>>60645900
Tell us more.

>>60645775
Check FRs, compare to 600, pick whichever is closer.
The giveaway: 579.

>>60644318
Etymotics say hi.

>Think laptop vs desktop
Analogy doesn't work.

>>60645957
FR's?

>>60645985
This, Etymotics BTFO every headphone out there, from HD600 to SR-009.

>>60645942
He is really small and has no sponsors but gets shitload of headphones for his tests from somewhere. He is obscure as fuck and not even close to be popular. Has a lot of charts and graphs, lots of suggestions and great compilations of sample music.

>>60637297
What is the best sound canceling headphones (non-electronic) out there?

[800, 380, 712, 599, 770, 558, 880, 701, 600, 598, 650, 990, 700, 579, 702]

>>60645993
Frequency Response.

>>60646006
Interesting. Link?

>>60646018
Etymotic in-ears.
>>60646006
Who?

>>60646049
>>60646046
I forgot it... Not even lying. Thought maybe someone knows him and will give me the link.

>>60646025
What did he mean by this?

>>60646076
[558, 598, 712, 700, 701, 599, 880, 770, 702, 600, 990, 380, 650, 800, 579]

>Budget
£100 entrylevel
>Location
UK. Norn Iron
>Source
Laptop, Android smartphone
>Type of headphones
Full/On Ear
>Open or Closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Any
>Sound Signature
Neutral
>Past headphones
Xiaomi Hybrid IEM

Small headphones are so easy to lose, I've lost 2 xiaomi pairs already. This'll be my first time buying full build headphones. Thinking of getting the M40x since its within the price range. I read the earpads are not that comfy though
Outdoor/Indoor use, portability is a must.

>>60646076
>>60646092
5b:37:31:32:2c:20:37:37:30:2c:20:38:38:30:2c:20:35:39:38:2c:20:37:30:32:2c:20:35:39:39:2c:20:36:35:30:2c:20:33:38:30:2c:20:37:30:30:2c:20:35:37:39:2c:20:36:30:30:2c:20:38:30:30:2c:20:37:30:31:2c:20:35:35:38:2c:20:39:39:30:5d

How can I tell if I've inserted IEMs far enough? Should there still be a bit of the 3-Flange eartips that I can touch?

>>60646152
Past the 2nd bend of the ear canal for the ideal sound quality, if it's painful don't push it further.

>>60646092
What am i looking at?

>>60645506
>Do they matter beyond having enough wattage to power certain headphones?
Possibly. You can just flat out ignore all sorts of nonsense which tries to describe amplifier performance by words or metaphors that aren't quantifiable. You can also ignore all listening impressions unless they were done double blinded. Amplifier and headphone "pairing" doesn't exist. Goals for any high quality amplifier:

>Low noise, no interference(output is silent when nothing is playing)
>Enough power(voltage) to drive the headphones loud enough(subjective target) with useful gain
>Amplifier not clipping(overloading distortion, load and output level dependent)
>Low output impedance, ideally zero(avoids linear distortion)
>Extended and flat frequency response(easy and common)
>No channel imbalance at high attenuation(volume pot issue)

Simple checklist:

>Is it too quiet?
>Is the output impedance too high (resulting effect fixable by equalization)?
>Is there noise/EMI or hiss to it?
>Does it sound distorted as you start to crank up the volume?
If the answer is no, you don't need one.

>>60646038
>>60645957
I checked and it's actually the 599's and 598's.

>>60646262
This info should be in the OP for all the retards that ask if they need an amp.

>>60646006
ryumatsuba?

>>60646187
A hot opinion.

>>60646152
Which IEMs? Bass is a good sign of a proper seal. Some like Etymotics require you to push the in-ears deeper even if seal was achieved at shallow insertion depth.

>>60646262
So do I or don't I need an amp for my dt880 600 ohms? I can drive them to high volumes.

>>60645985
which etymotics model? not that anon btw.

>>60646295
Nope, but thanks anyway, looks interesting.

579 or 599?

>>60646318
If the volume is sufficient, you don't.

The higher the load(headphone) impedance the less you have to worry about things at the amplifier side beyond volume. High impedance is less likely to overload the amplifier and less likely to cause audible issues due to high output impedance. Lower impedance loads are more challenging. There are exceptions and these don't necessarily cover the frequency response. However it's rare for that to be audibly altered.

>>60646345
MK5. In-ears don't get much more neutral than that.

Where do i upgrade from HD598?

>>60646458
a neat thanks, i only have a pair of hd598's and was looking at comfy iem's too. is the ER4 worth the price? or better spend in CIEMs?

>>60646184
There's already aching, but that could be because I'm not used to IEMs at all.
>>60646301
HF5

>Buy pretty expensive IEMs because I'm mostly travelling and walking around these days
>Tips they send won't stay in one ear
>Feel incredibly prone to falling out in the other ear
>Switching them out with big ones, small ones, foam ones doesn't help
>They constantly fall out of my ears

What the fuck is going on? Why aren't these things fitting in my ears?

>>60646524
If there's a sharp pain when you stick it in ABORT the mission.

>>60646462
HD600.

>>60644901
Thanks anon.

>>60646506
Comfy is highly subjective, especially with Etymotics.

>is the ER4 worth the price?
Maybe. For me it was.

>or better spend in CIEMs?
I can only speak for myself but if there was a single good CIEM I'd consider buying it.

>>60646524
>There's already aching
First time using Etys?

>>60646564
you need custom IEMs

>>60646657
Like, custom tips? Where do you even get those

>>60646692
you go to your local ear doctor or hearing center and they make a mold of your ears

you send these molds to a company that does custom IEMs and they will make a pair for you.

in exchange for money

>>60646184
>>60646152
>Past the 2nd bend of the ear canal
Up to the second bend. In more easily understood terms, stop at the bone.
>Some like Etymotics require you to push the in-ears deeper even if seal was achieved at shallow insertion depth.
What the insertion depth mainly controls is the frequency of the canal resonance. It is not necessary to fit it deep if you don't mind a treble spike in the mid-treble that was intended to counter the driver upper end rolloff.
Minimizing occlusion for maximum isolation only happens with a deep fit though.

>>60646262
Does this apply to speaker amplifiers as well?

>>60646649
>First time using Etys?
Yes.

>>60646625
Is it a big upgrade really?

>>60647307
Yes but only because 598s are shit.

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>>60637553
my man that's a good one!

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>>60647333
Take it back.

>>60638263

SE: special edition (black)
SR: the same color but with mic

>>60646275
It's already on the wiki.

Order a HD 579 at amazon for $128 USD :D

A cheap amp like Fiio a3 would make a difference in sound?

Source: Galaxy S5 and Laptop

I am looking for full size, open back headphones, in the 1000 dollar range. Comfort is of the utmost importance. My headphones I currently use are the Sennheiser HD650. I tried the Audeze LCD-2 once, but one of the drivers died in them so I returned them, they also hurt after prolonged periods of time.

I think the Audeze LCD-2 sounded better, in spite of it's deal breaking caveats. One of the things I liked about these headphones, is they give you the feeling of the sounds being right in the room with you more often than the sennheiser HD650, which only gives that feeling every now and then. The only pair of headphones which seem to be similar (based on the ultimate guide to metal headphones chart on head fi) are the kennerton odin, which are twice my budget.

I will be plugging these into the Magni 2 and Modi, but I would upgrade. Amplifiers are too confusing for me to even try to get into.

I live in the united states.

I don't get how people have a preference over one sound signature, like bass, treble, or midsection. I think they're all important, but I never cared much about having a ton of bass. I like the bass in my headphones to be tight and controlled, and punchy. I have a preference realism in the instruments, I like the feeling of lifelike imaging. I also like a wide sound stage, that's one of my favorite things about the HD650 is their wide open feeling.

I like a lot of different genres of music though, my favorite right now is classical. My preferences tend to be harsh and abrasive (I have found that the headphones people normally associate with "rock music" do not fit the harsh abrasive stuff I like). I also like folksy music. I like calm, spacy music like ambient or drone or drone folk. I like interesting ambient or microtonal music with a lot of stereo effects. My taste is all over the map, so a good "all rounder" would do. I don't care about pop music or dancy music, I will say that.

>>60643350
he is living on the other side of the planet ;;;(

>>60648184
You should pay him a visit. Not only will you try out his amplifier but also get a chance at sucking his cock. What a double win.

>>60648184
For the M50X, hell no. They run just fine on phones. You'll need an amp for headphones that need more power though.

>>60643261
Yes.

569, 579 or 599?

Anyone have the /g/ Wiki's $200 and Over infographic? jii.moe is kill.

>>60638935
>If you have time can you explain why open headphones offer better immersion?
the basic problem with diaphragm drivers is that they are a dipole. you get a front wave, and an inverse-phase back wave, and they cancel wherever they meet, e.g. to the side of the driver in open space.

for speakers this is a major design issue, and the primary motivation for speaker cabinets. but for headphones it's not a problem -- so long as you're allowed to vomit the back wave into open space.

the problem is that the back wave is audible to other people. closed headphones instead try to contain the back wave, like a cabinet. but the imperfect containment of the back wave results in both cancellation and pressure on the driver, which distorts the audible signal.

people describe that distortion as a lack of "openness," but what it really is is that open headphones are a nearly idealized enclosure whereas closed are a big compromise

>>60648184
Oh... I know that feel, Anon. The girl I'm in love with is living on the other side of the planet as well.

>>60646832
speakers, unlike headphones, operate in a pretty tight impedance range of 4-16 ohms, with the overwhelming majority being 8 ohms. for this reason it's fairly rare to see any issues unless your speakers are somehow exotic.

the only questions i ask about a speaker amp are:
1. does it get loud enough
2. does it get too hot
the latter is quite possible if you have e.g. inefficient vintage 4 ohm speakers

>>60648721
Cucked for sure. AWALT.

>>60646262
>>60646275
the reason we get so many open-ended "do i need an amplifier?" questions is because
>Does it sound distorted as you start to crank up the volume?
is not a simple question that a random person can easily check off. precisely because sighted listening impressions are invalid, a dude who just bought his first hi-fi phones has no fucking clue whether or not he hears clipping or whatever, and is strongly predisposed to hear distortion because of his concerns.

you can determine whether clipping will happen if you have all the necessary numbers but it's very hard to find numbers for e.g. laptop outputs. it's temping to get an O2 or whatever just because it has published specs and relieves that doubt

>>60642537
m50x don't need an amp

sometimes you get a laptop whose audio outputs are badly flawed (i'm talking about e.g. audible hissing, nothing subtle). in those cases a very cheap DAC is a huge upgrade

>>60637297

>Budget
200-300$
>Location
U S of A
>Source
right into the pc
>Type of headphone
over ears
>Open or closed
open please
>Comfort level
im at the computer more then half of the day playing games and listening to music. so it would be nice if they were comfy.
>Sound signature
i dont know a difference becuase i have only had shitty headphones.

idk if this helps with the sound signature but i enjoy listening to nujabes.
also it would be best if they are able to be bought from best buy because emplyoee discount op.

>>60648810
I agree but if it's not objectionable I don't think it's much of a problem for people who just want a simple yes or no for an answer. Similar uncertainty is possible with the FR, whether it's an inherent limitation of the gear or coloration caused by too high Zout.

The idea is to answer the very basic question of needing an amplifier or not. Many might still want to put money on a quality unit just for a peace of mind.

I have to say that generally when you clip an amp, the resulting distortion is sudden and very audible. If it happened when more volume was dialed in, people would likely just dial it back down which now checks the "is it too quiet?"-part.

>>60648810
So, in short. The only way to be sure is to buy a decent usb dac+amp.

>>60649319
>signature no idea
Most people prefer neutral after they get the chance to do proper, extensive testing, as per studies conducted by harman and other parties.
>$200-$300 open over ear neutral
HD600, HD599, HD579, k702, HD598se.

>>60649319
>best buy
I'd give up unless that's a >15% discount. You guys tend to be the worst buy.

>>60646187
random.sample()

>>60649472
If there's a problem with EMI/interference USB isn't always a completely safe bet especially if the device is USB powered. Depends on the problem.

>>60649513
Harman's studies showed that people prefer neutral with a roughly +5 dB shelf below 100 Hz and double the shelf amplitude for in-ears. That sort of bass boost does not exist in headphones without equalization.

>Budget
<$250, cheaper is always better.
>Location
California.
>Source
FiiO 10K.
>Type of headphone
Full.
>Open or closed
Closed.
>Comfort level
6-12 hours a day.
>Sound signature
Neutral, but I'm a bit flexible.

>>60649591
>USB isn't always a completely safe bet especially if the device is USB powered. Depends on the problem.
The device also matters. Some $10 chink usb soundcard won't help, but there's devices like the fulla 2 with pretty damn good filtering.

if i can get the sennheiser 558's for $70, would they be worth it?

>>60639545
>th-900
>the one people all say is ear rape
>not the superior and cheaper th-x00

why?
inb4 muh lacquer cups

and for fucking 1200 euro you can surely get a much better open headphone

>>60649606
CB-1 or XPT100/HM5

>>60639545
Just... properly try them both for a while. For science.
And report back.

>>60640440
>Tried a Fiio E10k on some T50rp mkiii and it wasn't nearly loud enough
the fuck? on my mad dogs the e10 is plenty loud even at only 3 on the knob. and that's with software volume at like half and the preamp lowered for eq.

I'm going to Tokyo this summer, anyone know of some good places to get good deals on headphones?

>>60648810
Clipping necessarily indicates both a sharp increase in non-linear output and a definite limit of total signal output.

>>60646832
Yes, it is. That's basic electronics.
The speaker market is dominated by different products than headphones, so the priority list of concerns is somewhat different.

>>60648580
Backwave interference is neither "solved" by opening the rear chamber, nor is it the most severe issue with closed backed headphones.
Strong interference is induced within the vast majority of enclosures that naively assume your premise in design.

>>60649866
Not a bad deal at all

>>60643173
using light/neutral/dark is a terrible idea. there are many that would end up in the dark category while sounding vastly different. same goes for light and neutral to a lesser extent.

>>60644318
>Decent IEMs cost a lot more than decent headphones
except the opposite is true. the most comfortable IEM that isn't custom is $7 and it sounds damn good for the price too.

>>60649606
><$250
>FiiO 10K
Return the DAC and make it a 350 dollar budget.

>>60650150
Or save $100 more, get something decent, like HD600.

>>60647333
>>60647307
the 598 are not shit but yes the 600 does feel like a significant upgrade. it sounds like a 598 perfected. the high end is more even, smoother, very present but never fatiguing. the 598 can sound a bit thin and shrill sometimes. the 600 is overall warmer and fuller sounding while still being relatively neutral. the 598 is bass light, it extends well but has very little impact and warmth. the 600 has much better bass that extends as well if not better and you can feel it more, music gains back some heft. the mids on the 598 are already the best part, on the 600 they're even better, though not hugely so. the soundstage on the 600 is narrower though, and the comfort is a bit less, they don't float like the 598 do, they clamp, though lightly.

>>60649866
$70 new? Yes. You could also get them for $59 "like new" on Amazon

>>60648109
very few people here are going to have experience in that range. I would look at tyll's wall of fame and do your own research from there. if I had 1k I would get an elear, an ether, or save more for an ether flow. you could probably find an hd800 for that price too.

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>>60637524
>high resolution walkman

>>60640645
Turns out Amazon ca doesn't have the Magni/Modi 2 combo. Are there any good alternatives for my 600ohm dt880s?

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>Budget
350 eurodollars

>Location
EU

>Source
Blue Yeti output

>Type of headphone
Circumaural

>Open or closed
no preference

>Comfort level
Pref. the band to have padding at the very top instead of just sides, velour pads are a must.

>Sound signature
Neutral, clear highs

>Past headphones
Superlux HD 668B

>>60650889
HD600.

>>60650906
>Clear highs
Ayyy, they don't call 'em Veilheisers for nothing, my dude.

>>60650906 >>60650941 >>60650889
If you're not sure, there's plenty of reviews of HD600 out there.

>>60650968
This. Take /hpg/ recommendations with a grain of salt; please do most of your research outside of 4chan.

>>60650889
HD600 for neutral response.

DT880 for bright highs.

Don't even consider buying anything AKG, those are your two options.

How much should I sell HD800s in perfect condition for on craigslist/ebay?

>>60651027
Not that anon, but q701 FR looks good, are they also shit?

>>60651084
Yes. Beyers are bright but they have a smooth FR, AKGs are all over the place.

Q701 is also susceptible to bass leakage.

>Budget
$75

>Location
USA

>Source
Galaxy S6, could purchase a dac in the future

>Type of headphone
IEMs

>Comfort level
I like silicone eartips, but I'm sure I can get a different set if needed.

>Sound signature
Neutral, bassy

>Past headphones
Audio-Technica ATH-M50, Audio-Technica AD 700

>>60650000
>Clipping necessarily indicates both a sharp increase in non-linear output and a definite limit of total signal output.
okay, but is that statement at all intelligible to the kind of person who is asking whether or not to buy an amplifier with their first hi-fi headphones? you can argue it ought to be audible but of course that depends on the frequency and duration of clipping

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OK, you /hpg/ niggers, i've narrowed my decision to two headphones; AKG Q701s or BeyerDynamic DT 880 Chromes. No other recommendations, i'm set on these two, and don't give me that "they sound like shit" nonsense; gotta give me an explanation why on each one.

>>60651198
Please and thank you.

>>60650000
>Backwave interference is neither "solved" by opening the rear chamber, nor is it the most severe issue with closed backed headphones.
Strong interference is induced within the vast majority of enclosures that naively assume your premise in design.
i believe you because my experience is only in speakers, but could you explain or provide a link? i don't see why the backwave is a problem if you're near field on one dipole and the other is jettisoned into space. obviously the enclosure resonates, and obviously the resonation is more severe if the backwave's energy is pushing into a closed back

what is the "real" issue in open vs. closed back headphones?

> (stereo mix)

>>60650889
AKG K712/702/Q701
DT880 250
HD 600/650

>>60651054
close to msrp

>>60637524
>headphones with built in DAC
>with a dedicated music player
Why

>>60651129
As a DT770 owner, I agree.
Don't get the Beyer hate.

>>60650889
[spoiler]ath-r70x[/spoiler]

>>60637782
sellers market

>>60651198
>>60651129
Go Beyer

>>60651198
Only good thing about the AKG are the highs. Mids sound fake and the bass is non existent.
Dunno about the BD but I can't imagine them being worse

>>60651198
A fool and his money

>>60649970
Please steal a pair of Stax headphones from some small shop. Do it for me,

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Canada is shit.

Where am I supposed to get an amp/dac for the 600ohm dt880s I'm about to purchase here?

>>60651299
Why?
>>60651303
Thanks.
>>60651306
?

tfw comfy SRH840

>>60651364
so what you do is you go to audiobot 9000, you select your headphones, and then you find an amp that will give you your desired volume.
>https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/beyerdynamic/dt-880-edition-600-ohms/with/fiio/e10k
there are some other issues but for high-impedance cans it really is that simple

keep in mind that the given volume is peak, you're not going to listen at 110 DB sustained. but for loud instruments you'd like to hit somewhere between 105-115DB

honestly i'd always wait on the amp until you have the headphones to see if you actually have a volume problem. i don't know how deaf you are and how loud you listen to music

typical amps people buy are e10k, fulla2, JDS objective2, and magni

>>60649513
>>60649532
thank you both!

>>60651461
>typical amps people buy are e10k, fulla2, JDS objective2, and magni
I can only get the e10k through Amazon ca.
Hopefully I won't need it, but I will get it like you said if I do.

best anime pic in awhile thanks op

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>>60651198
That chrome one is so tacky. At least get the all black one, or pic related when it's on massdrop again.

>>60651598
you have other options and in general the "scam" in this area is that manufacturers make a big deal out of something that isn't actually a big deal. the purpose of an amp is to make sound louder; people recommend e10k mainly because it's cheap

>>60639670
CB-1 is pretty good. They fold up which is nice for when youre on the go

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>>60651642
The chromes don't look too bad, but the the all blacks are cheaper, then i'll see if I can wait.

>>60651785
*if

>>60639134
(You)

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I un-ironically enjoy the way these sound. What's the cheap version?

>>60652104
Asking Tyrone down the street to fuck your ears with his BBC

Are the MDR 7506 good?

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How do you /g/uys feel about the ATH-MSR7? Best portable and bright option at ~300 and under pirce range? Also open to IEM.

Form:

Budget $250-300
US
Dragonfly Black(into nobsound tube amp at home, off phone on the go)
Closed back over ear or IEM
Don't care about comfort
I asked about the msr7 because I like bright headphones. People hate the sibilance of the dt990 but I really enjoy it. Now I need something to go with it for portable use and porn at home
past headphones: ath-m50, bose on ear soundtrues, dt990 250ohm, hyper x cloud, sony XBA-H1

>>60652398
good choice for your needs, don't like the msr7 because the treble is annoying but you specifically want that

>>60652296
yes

>>60652418
That's more or less what the reviewers said. I'm just hesitant because I can't think of any models to compare it to. I heard ety IEMs are a good option but I'm not sure it's worth it to go IEM in a situation where I don't have to

>>60652457
Ety isn't treble heavy or bright.

>>60652430
New thread.

>>60652398
I like them personally, but I have to agree with the other anon, they are insanely bright. I found them to be altogether overwhelming at first, but came to enjoy them after a while.
>inb4 break in memes
You'll be hard pressed to find them lacking compared to anything else at the same price point, sound or build quality. Bonus points for weeaboo street cred.

>>60652398
why the additional DAC on a smartphone?

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I don't know if this question belongs here, if not, ignore me or let me know

I've just purchased these nice headphones, and now I need a DAC
I don't have tons of money so the best price/quality DAC that you can think of may be helpful.

Something good enough to boost the quality to acceptable levels, not too expensive and for PC use

Thank you beforehand

>>60652576
No you don't. You can't really polish a turd anyways. My friend's M50's sound the same on his PC, my phone and my FiiO K1.

>>60652535
idk if i should be replying here or the new thread. It sounds markedly better in a few ways. The first is when you have the volume all the way up on the phone(or my pc's on board) and play nothing you can hear static. With the dragonfly it's totally silent. I believe the dragonfly also varies it's output power or something because the difference in SQ is distinct, this is the amp doing it and nont the dac i think.

>>60652576
m50s are very easy to drive.
That means no need for amps and marginal benefits with a dedicated DAC.

Unless your soundcard is fucked or audio source is faulty you have no need to buy a DAC.

>>60652604
>>60652674
okay that's good to know
thank you

>>60652604
Because the impedance is flat you retard.

>>60652722
>something good enough to boost the qualitt to acceptable levels
You really haven't gotten past a 3rd grade reading level

>>60652762
>I don't know how audio technology works

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Hey boys. I know that radios aren't your thing... but would you mind helping me find a radio for work?
Can't have Milwaukees or Craftsmen anymore because faggots were fucking with their phones in the radios. I suppose I'm the only person in my county that know what a playlist is.

Anyway. The only thing I need it to do is be at least 100 decibels and maybe have bluetooth or an ipod hookup. My milwaukee was just at 100 decibels at max and it wasn't quite enough for some albums... I don't know how to equalize them. I know the artists made them a certain volume for a reason but I'm at work. I don't need quality. I need to hear it.
It's getting too hot for my sockhat with headphones in them.

>>60651785
those pictured are the best ones.

>>60652865
ask in the new thread

>>60649970
yodobashi camera