/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Alright, I have this so far for a total of 714€, it just needs a GPU (I accounted roughly 80€ for the case). r8 pls

1) Could you guys recommend me a case that's easy to work with and has a lot of room? Few months prior for my own build I got a Fractale Mini one and while I like it the insides are cramped and I've had minor worries with it. This time I want to be sure to not have problems, it's fine if the case is ugly or isn't top notch since anyway AMD doesn't heat up much.
2) Second, I need a GPU for this and I'm not sure what to fit. RX 470, 480, 570 and 580 prices are COMPLETELY overpriced still (220€ minimum for any of these cards).
Thanks.

>>60632958
You might as well buy a m.2 850 evo. Same price. Some 1060s are small, dunno about anything better than that

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>>60632958
No idea about all the others but my Fractal Design Define R5 has quite a lot of room for cable management on an mATX board
The holes are very convenient for cable management & there's a good amount of room for fans too

What country do you live in?
A GTX 1060 6GB is a perfectly good alternative to an RX 480/580

>>60632958
Get a 580 4GB or a 1060 6GB. Some are under $220

>>60633032
>m.2 850 evo
I don't know anything about m.2 drives - mind explaining me simply why it'd be a better choice than a SSD?

>>60633037
The R5 is over 100€ here though. I'm in France. Would a 1060 pair well with Ryzen though? Wouldn't it be smarter to get an AMD card?

>>60633093
4GB seems a bit weak though, in that case I'd rather get the 1060 yeah.

>>60632958
https://www.topachat.com/pages/detail2_cat_est_micro_puis_rubrique_est_w_kitevo_puis_ref_est_in10103859.html
It's not 3200MHz RAM, but it's 70€ cheaper and the mobo is a lot better.
The 3200MHz aren't really gonna benefit you unless you do CPU-hungry stuff or high framerate gaming, but even then you can instead get a $50 cooler, overclock and end up with more performances + better motherboard + money saved

>>60633126
>I don't know anything about m.2 drives
evidently, considering m.2 drives are exclusively SSDs

>>60633126
>Would a 1060 pair well with Ryzen though?
Yes, it will.

>Wouldn't it be smarter to get an AMD card?
Doesn't make much difference and you don't have much choice considering the price of 480/580 and the lack of stock thanks to bitcoin miners.

>I don't know anything about m.2 drives - mind explaining me simply why it'd be a better choice than a SSD?
Priced & preform the same but are much smaller, go directly on the motherboard and do not require any cable.

>>60633246
>The 3200MHz aren't really gonna benefit you
no, it will
due to how Ryzen is built, ram speed inherently affects the CCX speed of communicating with each other

>>60633126
M.2 is just a different form factor for SSD, the benefit is that the NVMe slots are faster than SATA3.

>>60633246
Ram speed directly affects how Ryzen performance in many things.
Ryzen is made of 2 CPU Complexes, or CCXs as AMD calls them. Each CCX contains have the cores of the CPU, and they're connected by the infinity fabric between them to communicate. If a core from CCX 1 was to communicate with a core from CCX 2, it has to use the infinity fabric. The infinity fabric runs at whatever speed the ram is at. So Ryzen fucking LOVES fast ram and it does make BIG NOTICEABLE differences in the chip's performance.

Ram speed may not affect Intel chips all that much, but Ryzen chips cling to it like a lifeline.

>>60633394
>Each CCX contains have the cores of the CPU
*half the cores
>was to communicate
*wants to communicate

Goddamn I hate laptop chicklet keyboards.

>>60633338
I know that, but that's still gonna benefit you at all.
You're gonna get what, 10% higher FPS when for some reason your GPU is not the bottleneck? 10% of 130 is 13 FPS, which you would gain anyway by buying a beefy cooler and overclocking, and which is pointless regardless because you have a 60hz screen
It really won't do much because it's already a great CPU & overclocking will do more for cheaper.

It's not worth the 70€ at all, you could get an SSD or high end air cooler that will last you for the next 6 - 7 years with that money and allow for big overclocks.

>>60632826
>1 SR DIMM is slower than 2 DIMMs
So is 1 DR DIMM.

Single/Double Rank is not Single/Dual channel.

>>60633449
SR means single rank
The OP must probably means that one dual rank DIMM is still faster than two single rank one

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qv6vQV

This is my upcoming first build. Should I get a 750w psu to save a bit more, 850w seems not too different pricing for 100w difference

>>60633246
It's only 8GB RAM. How is the mobo "a lot better"?

>>60633295
>>60633363
Sounds good, thanks.

>>60633478
Get a 600 or 650w you jackass
You don't need anything remotely close to 750w

>>60633500
>It's only 8GB RAM.
Oh, my bad then.

>G4560/4600 - budget builds (<$500) unless G4620/i3-7100 is heavily discounted
Thanks for adding my 4600 recommendation but I meant it that way :
>>G4560 - budget builds (<$500) unless G4600/G4620/i3-7100 is heavily discounted
as the G4600 is always 15-20 bucks more expensive, which can matter a lot to someone whose budget is tight.

>>60633542 meant for >>60632826

>>60633542
noted

>>60633500
>How is the mobo "a lot better"?
It has better VRMs, 1 more PCIe, 1 more M2 & 2 PCI
But yeah, it's not really worth the drop to 2400MHz

>>60633478


If you do not intend to SLI, then the 750w is more than enough for your system.

>>60633504
Hey calm down now its just a question

>>60633724
Thanks

>>60633874
>Hey calm down now its just a question
I didn't mean jackass in a mean way

Will there be a noticeable difference between 3200mhz 16 cas ram vs 3200mhz 14 cas ram with ryzen

>>60633939
No. The difference is pretty slim, and almost non-existent in gaming.

>>60633939
Nah ryzen doesn't give a shit about latency, only frequency.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/28yDVY r8

>>60634092
Why the GTX 1070? Got a 1440p/144hz monitor?
Looks good

>>60634114
bad question. not everybody is fine with scraping by via spending the bare minimum.

>>60634150
Which is why i asked why

Is DDR4 a jewish trick to get everyone to buy new RAM?

>>60634174
Most likely.

>>60634174
It is a little faster, yes.
Its lower power consumption makes it a good standard for laptops and phones though

>>60634174
jews don't make much memory

it's a korean trick

>>60634092
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/28yDVY
get a gigabyte card, asus a shit

1600X + RX580-1380Mhz-8GB or 7600K + GT1060G1-6GB for gaming?
Would a 600W power supply with 90% efficiency rating be enough for either?
How much ram would I need to make sure it's not a bottleneck?
Is there a big difference between 2400 and 3000Mhz?

>>60634174
No, it's just technology going forward, even if slightly.

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>>60634259
>Would a 600W power supply with 90% efficiency rating be enough for either?
Yes, with a very big room left.

>How much ram would I need to make sure it's not a bottleneck?
12 GB, because some AAAs will take a fuckton of RAM

>Is there a big difference between 2400 and 3000Mhz?
For Ryzen, yes (the cpu becomes "stronger", the cores communicate faster between them)
For Intel, yes but very slightly: it's not worth at all to even consider it.

>1600X + RX580-1380Mhz-8GB or 7600K + GT1060G1-6GB for gaming?
The R5 1600 (doesn't even need to be X) is better than the 7600k because the 7600k has only 4 cores & 4 threads which isn't enough to run AAA games comfortable (very little room left & spikes to 100% usage causing fps dips, and that's in fresh windows install for bencharks with nothing running in the background). The R5 1600 in comparison has 6 cores & 12 threads, & has the same average but with naturally much much more room left.

Rx 580 & GTX 1060 are on average pretty much the same, but the 580 supports Freesync & gets much better gains in newer APIs than the GTX 1060 does (DX12 / Vulkan)

>>60634246
logicalincrements pls go. GIGABYTE has the worst support in the industry.

what is better: 4 sticks of 4GB, 2 sticks of 8GB or 1 stick of 16GB?

>>60634464
2 of 8GB because upradeability, usually easier to overclock & no benefits for 4 sticks since consumer cpu stops at dual channel

>>60634464
2 of 8 or 1 of 16 if you will get another 16 in the near future

>>60634464
also, what about uneven numbers/pairings:
3X4GB
2X4GB +1X8GB
etc.

>>60634490
nvmd, i get the idea: two of the same is better.

>>60634488
>>60634478
thanks guys.

Any glaring issues with this?

>Ryzen 1600@3,2 GHz
The Thermaltake Contact Silent 12 Cooler seems decent, or maybe a LC Power LiCo liquid cooler if it will make much of a difference for moderate overclocking
Asus B350M-A MB
The B350M-Plus variant is only slightly more expensive but I don't really see anything extra I want.
Kingston [email protected]
The 3GHz is quite a bit cheaper; but ryzens like fast ram, right?
RX580 ROG STRIX, 8GB
Only 580 beside the basic one most suppliers in my country carry.
Kingston 240GB SATA3 SSD or Samsung M.2 256GB (both are around 500Mb/s read and write)
Does it make much of a difference if read/write speed are withing 20Mb/s?
Toshiba 2TB HDD, 7200rpm, 64MB
Seems okay.
Coolermaster 600W@85%
Thermaltake Versa 2 Case

Haven't bought a computer since 2006, so I have no clue what the fuck I'm doing - sorry if I'm asking about inane stuff.

>>60634787
>Asus B350M-A
Change that. It doesn't have a VRM Heatsink

>>60634316
>7600k has only 4 cores & 4 threads which isn't enough to run AAA games comfortable
Simply fucking wrong. Even the G4560 will run most games comfortably.

Not that the i5 is a smart purchase, but to claim that it won't run games well is retarded.

>>60634787
The b350m-a can't do above even 2400MHz right now on the latest bios update. On the previous one i could reach 2900 on two sticks though (two 2600MHz CAS 16 ones), but no idea if you'll be able to reach 3200MHz on the next bios updates (you should)

>The B350M-Plus variant is only slightly more expensive but I don't really see anything extra I want.
The plus would be better at overclocking because of better VRMs & an heatsink on it, considering both the chipset & CPU are unlocked that's something to take into consideration

>The 3GHz is quite a bit cheaper; but ryzens like fast ram, right?
Indeed, but it doesn't mean you should spend money on it. Your screen is most likely a 60hz screen anyway so it will most likely make no difference to you, unless you do productivity stuff or something.

>Does it make much of a difference if read/write speed are withing 20Mb/s?
Not at all

Looks good to me

>>60634804
What about:
>Gigabyte AB350-Gaming 3 or 1
or
>AB350M-Gaming 3
or
>Asus B350-Plus
All those seem to have it, not sure though.

>>60634810
I didn't say it wouldn't run them well, i said it wouldn't run them comfortably. Getting at very very high CPU usage is everything but comfortable.

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>>60634804
>Change that. It doesn't have a VRM Heatsink
I got that motherboard (was on a very tight budget & had to buy at launch), can i just buy random heatsinks off amazon and slap them on the VRMs?

>>60633295
>perform the same
>>>/out/

>>60634863
Those are all good. just make sure you grab one of them with 4 ram slots

>>60634884
>buying am4 anus boards even with literally everyone saying not to
kys

what the fuck is up with AMD GPU pricing now

why is AMD so much better in dx12/vulcan titles?
is it nvidias drivers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8kXpUQVs7Q&

>>60634927
The Asus Prime B350 Plus is good.
>>60634863
Also, the Gigabyte GA-AB350 Gaming 3 has the best audio of any B350 motherboard.

>>60634927
It was on release date so no one was saying anything you idiot
And i had no other choice, i was already $100 over my budget

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Is either of these tolerable for single-player gaming?

>>60634942
Crypto miners have been snapping them up in bulk meaning there's few of them for the rest of us. low supply + high demand = higher than normal prices

>>60634972
what's the refresh rates on them?

>>60634999
VX297H:
>60Hz

MX259H:
>Horizontal Refresh Rate: 30 - 80 kHz
>Vertical Refresh Rate: 56 - 76 Hz

>>60635044
Another site says that the VX297H has identical refresh rates to the other one.

>>60635044
Both will play most games at 60 fps then. You want a 60hz monitor for that.
eeny meany miny mo. look at the features between them to find the better deal.
Bonus points for Free-Sync or G-Sync. FreeSync is for AMD Radeon graphics cards and G-Sync is for Nvidia cards

Waiting for Vega.....

... Want to get rid of my 390

Do I need a headphone amp if I plan on plugging some 32ohm headphones directly into a medium/high-medium range motherboard?

>>60635090
I suspected as much, it's just that the 27" one being the same price as the 25" one threw me for a loop. Thanks man.

>>60634870
But it does run them comfortably. You're blinded by fainboyism

>>60635140
no. An i7 with its 8 threads will run them comfortably. The i5 will not. 4 cores and 4 threads was good 6 years ago. It's not 2011 anymore anon.

>>60634972
Just get a cheap korean Freesync 120hz monitor

>>60635172
Stupid question: what's the deal with everyone harping on about single-core performance being the by far most important aspect for gaming?

>>60629399
I hope you're still here. i'm the guy who made the build, if you have any questions i'll try to answer them.

>>60635201
because according to them, games can't use more than 1 core/ 2 core/ 4 core

>>60635103
On a related note: do dedicated sound-cards act as headphone amps in some capacity? Is that a stupid option if you got decent on-board audio?

>>60635103
Probably not.

>>60635172
The release of Ryzen does not make i5s suddenly not run games well. i5s were mid range 3 months ago, and they still are.

>>60635226
Gaming performance is a mix of single and multithreaded performance. Not solely one or the other, although multithreaded performance is starting to matter more. Still no reason to buy an FX 8350 today, because the single threaded performance is bad enough to hamper the CPU.

>>60635335
Some sound cards have amplifiers included. Not all do.

If you don't know why you would need a sound card, you don't need one. Almost everyone is good with just onboard.

>>60635201
single core performance is generally what you need for web browsing with multiple threads for different processes like running youtube videos.
Single-thread performance make 0 difference in gaming since gaming is all multi-core multi-thread performance. Which is where Ryzen excels. The reason for i5's and i7's getting better FPS numbers in games is poor optimization for Ryzen CPUs. Look at comparison videos and yoy generally see the 6 and 8 core Ryzen chips never go above 60% CPU usage in games while i5's , and to a lesser extent, i7's will hit 100% usage spikes. The fact Ryzen can keep up with them at all with such poor optimization is a testament to how much computing horsepower they have. Ryzen has a LOT more to offer and as soon as optimization patches are released, don't be surprised to see a 6 core Ryzen 5 1600 blow away an Intel Core i7 7700K in FPS performance.

>>60635364
>The release of Ryzen does not make i5s suddenly not run games well. i5s were mid range 3 months ago, and they still are.
Never said they were no longer mid-range, but Ryzen 5 really did make the i5 chips obsolete and irrelevant.

Gonna build a nice little HTPC with the Biostar B350 meme ITX and eventual Ryzen 3.

Why is every mITX case built for stupid gamers who want to stick 360 radiators and 3 foot long GPUs in these?

>>60635393
avoid the Biostar and wait for an actual decent itx AM4 board.

>>60635401
Noted, going to have to wait anyways.

>>60635432
The AMD Just Wait™ product line sure is becoming diverse.

>>60635384
>Single-thread performance make 0 difference in gaming since gaming is all multi-core multi-thread performance.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA IS THIS NIGGER SERIOUS? No really, how much is AMD paying you? This is the most blatant piece of disinfo I've ever read in these threads. Gaming is almost exclusively single-core performance based, with VERY few titles ever making use of more than two cores and even less of those doing it well enough to see a real benefit. Video games are SHIT TIER when it comes to software optimization.

Can someone recommend me a good board with a LGA1150 socket for my i5 4670.

I have some spares lying around and I want to build a PC to use as a server.

>>60635477
B-but muh CPU utilisation

>>60635477
>with VERY few titles ever making use of more than two cores
You were very right in that what he said was blatant disinfo but holy shit you just had to ruin your comment by dropping something just as retarded did you?

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>Check Fractal Design website for new shit
>See this
For fuck's sake.

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Reminder prebuilts are better than custom built on a price to performance ratio

How good is the p400 case?
The reviews I have seen on it seem to vary a lot

>>60635481
What the hell is a "server" to you?

>>60635505
did they get a new intern or something what the fuck is that

>>60635540
I will use it as a seedbox in my house

>>60635524
That shit costs about 60% more custom, 70% more pre-built in my country

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>>60635558

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>>60635578
get fucked europoor

>>60635524
>stupid LED crap everywhere
>off-brand liquid cooler
>2400MHz RAM
>400W fucking PSU
>64GB SSD
>oh fuck we need to pad this table out lets list things that are actually part of the motherboard like "3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard" and "LAN"
>offbrand keyboard
>offbrand mouse

Boy what a deal.

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>>60635601
>>60635524
Inb4 the parts are shit ect
they are the same as shit you buy off newegg ect

Case is a NAZXT S340 but with full glass side and front

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>>60635601
>europoor
I wish.

>>60635613
>glass front with fans behind in
This wins the award for the most retarded case ever made.

>>60635610
Spotted the idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37PBC0aCwfY

>>60635610
2400 Mhz ram is fine if you are getting prebuilt shit anyway

Can I put a Ryzen chip in an AM3+ board with DDR3 RAM?

>>60635646
no

>>60635646
Yes, just use a hammer to get it in there if it gives you any trouble.

>>60635646
yes

>>60635646
nope. ryzen is AM4 only.

>>60635646
Ryzen goes into AM4 socket and nothing else
DDR4 isn't compatible with it either, no AM4 motherboard has DDR3 support

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>>60635627
>highest rated case ever is the same case just with metal in the front

Air intake is on top/bottom
>>60635619
Ah the land raped by china

>>60635707
>DDR4 isn't compatible with it either,
DDR3* isn't compatible
All AM4 CPUs are DDR4, so no DDR3 motherboards are made for it because there would be no point

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>>60635714
>highest rated case ever

>>60635714
>Ah the land raped by china
Not Canada, you idiot.

NZXT S340 or P400

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www.pcpartpicker.com/list/4CsbzM
Hi /pcbg/. I assembled this build with the intention of using it for streaming(720p >60hz)/gaming(1080p >60hz) and would like to keep it in the 850$~900$ range. Right now it's nearing the top of that limit and I haven't even added the cost of the OS. I know that the motherboard I chose may not be the best choice and i'm willing to change it, same with the GPU/CPU but i'd like to stick with the 1060 and i5 unless AMD turns out to be better or just as good for cheaper. (rx570,580/ryzen)
Anywhere else where I can shave off a few dollars would be great too! Thanks a bunch.

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>>60635771
p400 no doubt.

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>>60635745
who else does curling?

>>60636558
fixed.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RsHvQV

For the OS, you can either pirate Windows 8.1 and take the free upgrade to 10 for a legit copy, or you can download the windows installation tool to make a bootable Windows 10 flash drive and get an OEM key from Kinguin ($30) to activate it

>>60636647
>pirate Windows 8.1 and take the free upgrade to 10 for a legit copy

that ended months ago dude

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>>60636558
i5s are everything but ideal for gaming because R5 (1500x/1600) reach the same framerate but with much more room thanks to more threas/cores, so rarely ever want an i5 for it
More important, streaming is live video-encoding which require processing power. Both the R5 1500x & R5 1600 have absolutely any i5 beat at this too, and the 1600 also beats the 7700k AND 6 cores 6800k / 5930k (pictured is non-gpu accelerated x264 & x265 video encoding)

So get an R5 1600 and ditch the cooler, you will end up with much more performances at a lower price.
Or you can get a cooler with it & overclock it as it is not locked (nor are the b350 mobos)
The rest is fine

I want to build a rig from the ground up. I have a job where I can afford to do it. But I am not going to spend a stupid amount of money.

I want to have it do video editing, gaming, and able to run smooth on the web. My worry is running into stupid bugs if certain hardware conflicts with the motherboard or whatever.

Can someone point me in the right direction for the best guide you recommend, or just give some pointers on what to look for when I go window shopping?

Thank you.

>>60636707
>My worry is running into stupid bugs if certain hardware conflicts with the motherboard or whatever.
No worries in there, if hardware is not compatible with a motherboard, pcpartpicker will alert you. Wrong socket / cooler that does not have a mounting mechanism for this socket / not beefy enough PSU / etc etc etc

For video editing, general multi-tasking & gaming, you usually want to get an R7 1700 in there because it's a 8 cores CPU that will handle all of those, if you want at the same time, extremely well
R5 1500x/1600 are acceptable if on budget

Do a quick read of the OP while you're at it, won't hurt

According to Precision X my GPU is always hitting its' power limit. I turned voltage limit up as far as it goes. Is this a side effect of GPU BOOST?

>>60636707
Video editing is actually more intensive than gaming in most cases on the CPU. So at a reasonable budget, you'd ideally get an AMD Ryzen 1600 for the CPU, and a B350 motherboard.
Watch some youtube videos on it. AMD's Ryzen chips are only a few months old at this point and they do have issues with ram compatibility but the benefits far outweigh the negatives in this case.

If you can stretch the budget farther than a 1600, go for a Ryzen 7 1700, which is a productivity monster in edition programs and decent in gaming. The 1700 has no advantage over the 1600 in gaming, but does have advantages everywhere else.

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>>60636705
So an R5 1600 would be better for me, huh? Okay. I forgot to mention that I planned on overclocking, hence me buying the cooler, but it isn't a priority right now and it's always something I could do later.
Now that I have a totally new CPU do you think >>60636647 's recommendations for mobo and GPU are alright? I'm not sure, but I think I know that certain motherboards are better at overclocking that others. The GPU is also really important, but I have no idea what would be best now that i'm an AMD boy.
Thanks again.

Is a 7700K required for VR? I'm looking around and not seeing any hope for even a 1700X

>>60636807
The RX470/570 are perfectly acceptable for gaming on a 1920x1080 monitor at 60hz.
The Gigabyte board he posted isn't the best at overclocking, but it will overclock. The Gigabyte GA-AB350 Gaming 3 motherboard is notable because it has the best onboard audio of any available B350 chipset motherboard at the moment.

The big issue right now is availability of AMD's RX470/570 or RX480/580 graphics cards. Crypto miners have been snapping the fuckers up in bulk to mine for crypto currency like bitcoin. So supply is limited and you'll likely have to wait a few weeks to get a good one.

Other good B350 motherboards:
Asrock B350 Pro 4
Asus Prim B350-Plus
All the MSI boards
and the previously mentioned gigabyte board.

>>60636825
no. Even a R5 1600 can do VR. The graphics card matters more than the CPU does at this point. VR is in its infancy.

>>60636885
So a cheaper Ryzen and a 580, gotcha.

>>60636777

What videocard do you recommend

>>60637138
see
>>60636873

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>>60636873
Okay cool.
This is my final build, any last second opinions before I pull the trigger? I went for the 570 for the extra clock and OC, and i'll be buying an aftermarket cooler later on for CPU OC. Did I make a good choice?
www.pcpartpicker.com/list/khtxd6

>>60637200
>www.pcpartpicker.com/list/khtxd6
looks good.

>>60636873
How the fuck is it still worth to mine bitcoin unless you are operating a fucking farm atm.

>>60637239
there are other cryptocurrencies anon.

>>60637278
Buying 470/570/480/580 in bulk to mine other cryptocurrencies doesn't sound like a smart plan either.

>>60637354
It probably was fine for the early adopters but i'd wager diminishing returns are setting in around about now and i hope they choke on it.

>>60637200
>www.pcpartpicker.com/list/khtxd6
>120gb ssd

at least get a 240gb
its like 30$ and well worth it
also normal sata 6gbs is fine dont need NVME w/e that gay shit is

as a primarily gaming/basic video editing cpu, is the 6600k worth double the price of the 6100?

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Having a bit of a problem.

So my computer has been having random shutdowns, visual-artifacts, freezes and such while gaming as of late, now it's got really bad. On two occasions now it has black screened under load, then you turn it off and on again and it doesn't even show the motherboard splash screen or anything. Strangely, it is getting into Windows, because I can hear the startup sounds and can hear it log in when I type my password. On both occasions it was 'fixed' by simply removing the GPU from the system, turning the system on, turning it off, then reinstalling the GPU, then it works again.

Anyone have an insight into what component is at fault? My thinking is either the GPU itself or the PSU. I should say, I've been suspecting a PSU fault for a while, so I ran the system with a different PSU and it works just fine in stress tests and stuff, but with my own PSU it gets the fault described above. Thanks.

Is the MSI B350M PRO-VDH a good budget ryzen board?

What about the Biostar RACING B350ET2?

>>60632826
are curved monitors worth it? looking at getting 2x 24 or 27in 1080 monitors to replace my current 25 and 23in 1080 monitors.

mainly gonna use it for video and browsing, and maybe some gtav and csgo.

>>60638156
underclock gpu

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>>60638247
It freezes even running shit like Borderlands 2 on all lowest at 720p when it's sitting at like 1/3rd it's normal clockrate.

Was the best and cheapest msi ryzen motherboard

>>60638156
Could be bad RAM as well.

>>60633093
As much as I love my 580, the autistic Bitcoin miners are on a buying binge again. 1060 will be easier to find at a fair price

>>60638219
I have the tomohawk, but MSI makes solid mobos. Might wanna update the bios when you get it though

>>60638156
either bad RAM or bad PSU
do a RAMcheck, make sure it isn't shiftily clocked higher than your mobo can handle

>>60638402
MSI B350 GAMING PLUS

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f3v8qk
What can I do to improve this build without changing the budget too much? (I want it for low-stress gaming and general computer stuff, the budget is around $450-500) Also, what monitor would go well with it?

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What is this for?

>>60638819
decent, if anything get the 1050ti. Even if it means you need to get a 500gb hdd its way worth it. Im sure theres cheaper cases, here is Aus theres a local budget brand that starts at $20

Is the i5 7500 the best 200$ intel cpu I can get?

>>60638835
That's a computer case anon.

>>60638835
penis holder

>>60638960
1500X > 7500

>>60638835
DVD drive

>>60638981
Yeah I understand that ryzen may be better but I'm not buying amd ever again.

>>60638986
no, that woulndt work

>>60639001
if you're not willing to take advice, why you're here?

>>60639001
Do you enjoy inferior products or what?

>>60639011
I was asking about intel cpus, not cpus in general.

>>60639012
>Do you enjoy inferior products
>Buy AMD

>>60639019
>>60639031
everyday the same thing, just stop

>>60639031
Oh so you're just a braindead shill, moving on.

>>60639045
>Hawks AMD products
>Accuses others of being shills

>>60639071
>I understand that ryzen may be better
>I'm not buying amd ever again
Explain this then

>>60639088
There are plenty of reasons.
Some people had bad experiences with a certain brand and swore off that brand.
Some people want processors that had good single core performance due to games.
Some emulators only work well with intel chips. Etc.

It is a choice, don't have to be salty because someone chose pepsi over coke.

>>60639105
>>60632826
>No i5
Of course it's your choice, but that doesn't mean it's the correct one.

>>60639105
>>60639143
then what is YOUR reason? or did you come here just to drop some shitty bait while everyone is sleeping?

>>60639143
>>60639149
AMD killed my family.
Actually I am not the guy. I am just replying cause you are unjustly jumping on a poor dude that asked a simple question.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j7Bgyf
First build

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>>60639165
His question was kinda dumb from the start.

>>60639175
that cooler is way overkill for that processor
are you planning on crazy overclocks?

>>60639175
Dual core in a $1300 build?

>>60639175
>1200W
for what purpose?

>>60639209
never heard of those T versions, what are they made for?

>>60639215
>>60639224
>>60639225
congradulations you replied to a troll

>>60639227
Low Power CPU

>>60639227
T versions are in laptops

>>60639230
I didn't see the rest of the build tho

Question about servers: Would it be a good idea to put a high end CPU like the 6950X and a 1080Ti and connect a bunch of other computers in the house to it? Or would the connecting computers be unable to play games due to their hardware?

>>60639269
watch these
>inb4 le linus
I know, but there are some answers on those videos anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuJYMCbIbPk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXOaCkbt4lI

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whennnn iss mitx am4 with wifi

Bought msi 1080 gaming x
Returned due to coil whine
Second one is whining too
Try for 3rd or go ti ? Maybe change brands?

>>60639544
Why 1080 instead of ti?

Would this mobo and ram be compatible with eachother?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813144045
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232419
I just put together a PC, and when I start it, all the lights turn on and the fans run, but there's no signal to the monitor. The best guess I can make is that the RAM is not working.

>>60639616
>if this is not bait
are you connecting the monitor to the GPU port or the motherboard?
>if this is bait
kys

>>60639544
If your psu is old it might cause the coil whine. I had old Corsair HXi 520W with a Fury Nano and coil whine was pretty noticeable without headphones, but after I bought a new RMx 650W the coil whine is almost gone and only noticeable in games where FPS is not limited and is around 2000-6000 FPS.

>>60639605
Ti prices were really spiked due to novelty when I was buying

>>60639616
>>60639628
Nevermind, I just reseated the RAM and now it is working. There's always at least one hiccup to scare the shit out of me every time I put together a new computer.

>>60639671
I tried on old 600w no brand and new rm750x l, made no difference.
Gonna try on different motherboard, maybe this fucker is the problem
Just gonna abuse return policy I guess

What will happen by the end of the year, in the world of pc parts? I'm a poorfag saving dollarinos, and perhaps in a few months i'll have enough for a new pc. but if something better is planned later this year then I'll wait

>>60639991
There will always be something better on the horizon.

>>60633037
fuck me that case was expensive, but well worth it. The only major issue I have with it is the fucking front panel USB3.0.
Every time I plug something in there is gets stuck and needs a frightening amount of force to remove, they really screwed the pooch on that one.

Why do people care about coil whine? Aren't you listening to your game?

>>60640051
yeah, but anything substantial?

>>60640138
Because coilwhine is annoying?

You're part of the "I don't mind having a jet, I'm gonna use noise canceling headphones anyway". Some people like to have a quiet computer.

>>60640268
The time you've spent being miserable and returning a video card you could have been having fun playing games.

>>60640289
You couldn't though, because you'd have to listen to annoying coilwhine all the while.

>>60638835
For all the mobo I/O, like USB, ethernet, video out, etc. If you're only pretending to be retarded, fuck off.

What ram should I pair with a Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3? Looking for 16gb.

who do you think is going to make the first 6 core 12thread apu?

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If this is the ASRock am4 mITX mobo, I'm gonna be very mad.

570 or 1060? I have a r5 1600. Will be doing streaming and gayman so I need the extra cores.

>>60640930
They're pretty level, assuming you mean the 6bg 1060. The RX pulls ahead when it comes to stuff like Vulkan and DX12. Probably more future proof.

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>>60641075
>The RX pulls ahead when it comes to stuff like Vulkan and DX12.
Not by much, and it comes at tradeoff in everything else.
If he was talking about the RX 580 then yeah you'd be right, but 1060 6GB vs RX 570 the 1060 is a better choice. Pictured is 570 vs 1060 3GB (weaker card) and it's slightly slower on average

>>60641251
1060 is not the better choice, because gsync comes at an extreme premium.

>>60641251
Yeah, was thinking about the 580.

>>60641283
Then the 580 is generally considered the better choice because it performs better in newer API games, & Freesync

>>60640847
APUs are AMD only. If you're just talking about integrated graphics, Intel will have a 6c/12t i7 part that has an iGPU, probably in its next lineup called Coffee Lake. It will be expensive as hell though.

>>60640930
On a price / perf basis the 570 is the better choice. The 1060 6GB is about equal to the 580, although personally I'd go with the 580.

>>60640748
The RAM in the Ryzen builds here
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/

>XFX RX580
>8GB, DDR5, 256bit
>AMD Reference: 1257Mhz, XFX True Clock: 1366MHz, OC+ Capable Clock: 1386MHz
>1xHDMI, 3xDisplayPort, 1xDL-DVI-D

>ASUS ROG STRIX RX580
>8GB, DDR5, 256bit
>OC Mode: 1380 MHz, Gaming Mod: 1360 MHz
>2x HDMI, 2x DP, 1x DVI-D

Is the Asus one really worth 26% more money?
Does XFX have decent build quality?

>>60641379
I don't know, but XFX is the ugliest card I've ever seen, and ASUS usually always have coil whine.

>>60641379
>worth 26% more money?
No

Yes, the XFX RX 480 / 580 are pretty decent.

>>60641379
XFX

>>60641379
>Is the Asus one really worth 26% more money
No

>>60641281
What do freesync and gsync even do? I hardly notice screen tearing, or is it one of those "you don't notice it until you experience gaming without it" things?
What would be the benefit over, say, using the same card on a 60Hz monitor?

Any problems with this?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WGBgyf
Plan on upgrading GPU when Vega hits, or to a 1070 if it's shit.

>>60641892
looks fine

>>60641281
nobody cares about your adaptive sync. it's dead.

>>60641892
no problem i can see

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Motherboard giving me trouble, should I use this chance to upgrade RAM + CPU too? Or just get a replacement mobo? If so what motherboard because this has given me nothing but trouble.

>>60641879
Basically adaptive sync syncs/aligns gfx card frame output with monitor frame display. It's not worth it with a 60Hz monitor because of the small freesync range (usually 45-60Hz). Freesync starts to become worth it once you hit 75 Hz. There's a Freesync 2 coming soon that supposedly eliminates the ghosting issue

>>60641892
Get faster RAM and an SSD if you don't have one. Compatible RAM is in Ryzen builds here
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/

>>60642144
What's wrong with the mobo? No reason to upgrade

>>60642207
The network adapter is fucked and using an alternate still has issues like a few minutes of hang at start up and it's 50/50 if I'll have network.

I have a scrap PC with 8 gb ddr3 and 2500k and I want to turn it into a netflix machine. What's the cheapest GPU I can slap onto it ? Was thinking about 460.

>>60642268
Why do you need a dedicated GPU for it?
The integrated GPU works perfectly well for a HTPC

>>60642268
1050 is cheaper, but the 1030 might suit your needs

>>60642232
See if there's a BIOS update or reinstall windows if you haven't tried

>>60642335
I understand that the 2500k iGPU only renders at 720p and I would like something that can handle 1080p for now and potentially 4k. I know TV boxes are an aption but would like to have some flexibility and not get stuck with a single purpose device.

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how does this look?.I mostly want to play overwatch and pubg at 60fps/1080p.gpu will be a 970 from a friend.Only missing a monitor and I dont know what to look for in one.Do I need a cpu cooler or anything else?.I have a mouse and keyboard already

>>60642467
sure if you want to run at 30fps and your pc to explode within a year

>intel
>2017

invest in an RM850x and ryzen

>>60642467
pretty meh because could save money on CPU / get a better one at a close price. No, you don't need a CPU cooler.
Most importantly, considering you're just playing two not-so-demanding games, you could get a G4560 and save a lot of money.

what country?

>>60642185

>(usually 45-60Hz)

We live in 2017 anon - 30-60hz is pretty common now on freesync screens.

>>60642498
>RM850x
What? stop giving bad advices

>>60642467
get at least 8gb ram, get an 80+ bronze certified psu for the same price as that one and if you don't mind amd you can get a 1400 and overclock it. other than these small things it's a good build. the 970 is still a good gpu.

>>60642536
>>60642504
>>60642561


malta.Im open to using ryzen desu but I have to buy from this site and they dont have ryzen shit yet

http://www.ultramalta.com/Socket-AM4_c_148.html

and it doesnt have ryzen.Other option is using amazon.de or some other european site that ships to my country but I think I will get jewed on shipping costs anyway

>>60642467
r5-1500x if you really only want to do gaming, and save some bux.
Otherwise, r5-1600.

DDR3 does not work for that CPU or motherboard, you have to get DDR4. Really any DDR4's are good, if you're limited to 8gb, go with a 2x4gb kit, preferably 3200mhz or higher. If you're fine with 2x8gb, get ballistix sport LT 2400mhz, they're great value.
Get something like MSI B350M Mortar, or tomahawk, and maybe bazooka. Solid board, with dual bios, that will last you if you want to upgrade on the same zen architecture in a few years.

I really don't know anything about the PSU, you should check some reviews.

At some point you may want to get a SSD, but imo it's not something you have to get right away.

Lastly, that looks like a shitty case.
The best options are, NZXT S340, Fractal Design Define C, Phanteks P400S, or mATX (make sure you have mATX mobo) Fractal Design Define C Mini. These come with a couple of fans, so that you don't need to buy extra fans on your own.

>>60642467
You may need to get ddr4 ram for that mobo.

>>60642611
>with dual bios
Scratch that, it's single bios.
For some reason half way through I started to think it was a gigabyte board.

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Building a PC for my landlord, he's an old rich guy that wants top of the line stuff for no other reason than he saw it in PCmag.
-Must be smaller than an average mid-atx case
-Latest gen i7
-DDR4
-NVMe M.2 SSD (this was giving me the most trouble finding a good one)
-At least 2 external 5.25" bays
-Space for an after-market soundcard (specifically told me the most expensive one he could get)

This is what I have so far, I'm going to say he would spend up to like $1800 because he was going to spend at least that much on some MSI gaming computer

>>60642584
M8 you're already bring jewed with those VAT fees. Maybe try the local used market first. You might be able to pick up a nice mobo/cpu combo. Maybe something like a 4690k or 3570k (or the non k models). If you find that for cheap you and you already have the 970, you're pretty much set and you won't have to pay kike import fees on a €300 processor.

>>60642684
there is no used local market here.Gonna get jewed either way

Gigabyte GeForce GTX1070 8GB Xtreme Gaming for 468,29 €
http://www.gigabyte.us/Graphics-Card/GV-N1070XTREME-8GD-rev-10#sp
or
PNY GeForce GTX1080 8GB XLR8 OC Gaming for 540,76 €
https://www.pny.com/GeForce-GTX-1080-XLR8-Gaming-OC
or
Gainward GeForce GTX1080 8GB Phoenix GLH for 563,87 €
http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=982&lang=en

Which one seems best value for money? I plan to use them on my ryzen 5
1600 build if vega is delayed again for 1440p ~90fps gaming and vr gaming
on htc vive. Would gtx 1070 lack performance? Is gtx 1080 that good to justify
+100€ on price?
Got a better recommendations based on price? Price comparison website below
http://www.skroutz.gr/c/55/kartes-grafikwn-vga.html?from=catspan&keyphrase=gtx+1080
http://www.skroutz.gr/c/55/kartes-grafikwn-vga/f/694691/%CE%A4%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BB%CE%AC%CF%87%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%BD-8GB.html?keyphrase=gtx+1070
(greece prices)

>>60642667
yeah that's decent

>>60642713
Probably the PNY one.

>>60642699
Well if you can afford the extra delivery fees from ordering from Italy/Germany you may as well just do it. Which every processor you decide to get though, get 8gb ram and get a decent 80+ bronze psu.

>>60642758
Whichever *

>>60642667
Change i7 7700 with i7 7700k
That's a decent cooler but considering his budget getting corsair hi100 watercooler
will probably make him more happy, it is also an AIO so it's extremely easy to install.
The ram is pretty bad get at least 3200mhz
If he was planing to get a gaming pc he'll probably need a gpu, ask him what monitor
he has and if he plans to 4k gaming he has to go over budget for 1080ti.
He can get windows 10 for free spending 90$ on it is a waste of money.

nice, more AM4 mini atx announced at computex

Any suggestions on this?
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XK7YCy
Don't necessarily want those peripherals, just represent the price range/features I'm going for.
The extra power is for maybe upgrading with Crossfire/more RAM in the future.

do we still not know what b350 boards support 3200mhz?

>>60643010
MSI Mortar/Tomahawk has the new agesa update and supports most 3200mhz ram just get that and check qvl for what is supported.

>>60642993
>Red accents
No thanks.

Did MSI and gigabyte announce anything?

redpill me on mATX

are they really just cheaper but no worse than ATX?

looking at b350m mortar

>>60643178
Smaller cheaper, and usually as good as ATX.
Difference is just pcie slots.

>all local stores out of cheaper 16gb 3200mhz kits for probably at least 3 weeks

what do? do i buy 3000mhz i've already been without a pc for 35 days since my motherboard died (neet so have to take time saving money)

>>60643301
What do you even need 3200MHz for?
Of course 3000MHz is fine and so are lower frequencies

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LhVq8K

Rate my first PC build lads. Is my PSU fine? Also do I need that case fan because I'm pretty sure the case comes with some.

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>tfw bought an apu for gaming
Can I win the "Most Retarded person alive" award?

Is 1500x THAT much better than the 1400? In my country it costs around 35€/$40 more and I'm not quite sure it's worth the extra.

>>60643382
>7600K
Switch to r5-1600

>Prime Z270
Obviously change to am4 mobo. Go with MSI Mortar, or something similar (Tomahawk/mortar/bazooka - ASRock b350m pro4). Get a mATX board

>Vengeance LPX 2x8gb 2133mhz
Get Ballistix Sport LT 2x8gb 2400mhz, OC them them to 2933/3200mhz, there's some instructions here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFPxNAQeI8Y

>SuperNOVA 650W
550W is enough, so get that if it's cheaper

>SPEC-02 ATD midtower
Fractial Design Define C Mini. Comes with 2 fans, that you can set as intake in the front, these may be on the loudish side though, so at some point you might want to invest in premium PWM fans.

>DVD read/writer
Do you really need that?

>Expensive Windows
Get a 5$ one from allkeyshop (not from allkeyshop, but one of the sites it links to)

>Shitty fans
Don't get those, they're gonna be loud and just terrible.
Cheapest fans that are worht buying are around $15 a piece.

>>60643382
Don't get an i5 when the similarly priced R5 1600 has two more cores & doesn't need a cooler
4 cores & 4 threads reaches very high usage in games & has spikes to 100% causing FPS dips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

GTX 1070 seems overkill, extra fan is unneeded but if you're gonna get one get a 140mm one instead

So with the new i9 six core on the way, should I return my i7 7700k and Z270-E and hop on that? The extra price isn't a major concern for me considering the extra life I'd get out of that dank Intel 6 core.

>>60643469
Comes with a better cooler.

I'm not sure how the cache plays into it, but otherwise they're mostly the same.

>>60643488
Or get ryzen, the i9 is probably gonna be twice as expensive, and with a much more expensive chipset.

>>60643488
>considering the extra life I'd get out of that dank Intel 6 core.
so you mean less gaming performance?
stop trusting rumors like an idiot, nothing is gonna top the 7700k when it comes to gaming
and if you didn't get the 7700k for the best gaming performance, then you're a retard

>>60643520
Ryzen doesn't have a single good mobo yet, no thanks. Plus, I like to do emulation.

>>60643547
>Plus, I like to do emulation.
so?

going from an i5 4670k to r5 1600

will my pc ree at me and say i don't have a windows license because of hardware change? I had an old OEM windows 7 which was upgraded to a win10

>>60643568
yes because of mobo change

>>60643556
So, emulation on Intel processors is a much better experience, some of them hardly even function on AMD.

>>60643568
Yes, it will. Install a windows 7 and use the loader on it, then do the free upgrade again on some throw away drive. This will re-validate your new mobo on their servers and you can just go back to your old w10.

>>60643583
Gotta be a more specific because "it works bad on AMD" isn't gonna make me forget my experience when it comes to emulation on Ryzen CPUs

>>60643583
The CPU isn't even out yet, and it has no information.
How do you know it's magically going to be better than ryzen at emulating?

Besides, what the heck are you going to emulate?

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>>60643610
>>60643608

Just based on the trend of AMD being shit at emulating or emulators being shit at being compatible with AMD, take your pick.

>>60643677
>emulators being shit at being compatible with AMD
Thanks for showing you have no idea what you are talking about
>AMD being shit at emulating
Is it what the picture your posted is supposed to represent? Intel is better at Dolphin therefore AMD is shit at everything, is what you want us to think? You have very poor logic and knowledge.

>>60642667
Replace the motherboard with a H270. If you're not getting a K series processor then you don't need to bother getting a motherboard that allows overclocking.

The 850 isn't an NVMe; it uses a SATA connection. Get a 960 Evo instead, and maybe splurge on a 1 TB model if you have the budget to spare, since people love storage space on their computers, and it's an immediately noticeable upgrade to the casual eye.

And even if your landlord isn't a gamer I'd still toss in a1050ti. Doesn't use much power, is easy to install, and may come in handy down the road. Still, integrated graphics may be enough for this guy, so only bother if budget allows.

If you're not going to get a higher end graphics card, you can cut the wattage on your power supply way down, to 500w or so. Your system looks like it's not going to be drawing very much power.

>>60643732
>A 2c/4t intel being better than the top of the line Ryzen t---totally means AMD is fine at emulation!

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Here is my current build /pcbg/, what should I improve? By the way, I am running stock intel cooler.

>>60643677
Why would you get the 6core if you're so autistic about emulation?

>>60643750

So in other words no, you don't know what you are on about. There is only one emulator that can into threading on a reasonable scale and that is RCPS3. Also: Dolphin does a lot better on everything depending on which renderer you use.

>>60643750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAnyFmU7bPI&index=7&t=700s&list=PLoK2ReWzxN8hAHJIKV0751gNGVHj2EQ6d
Pictured is AMD being shit at emulation
Thank god you came to /pcbg/ to get educated

>>60643786
for 1080p? you don't need to change anything. the 980 and 4790k are fine. just overclock if you want more performance. get an extra 8gb of ram though.

>>60643507
Yeah, I know. Also, I did a re-check and it costs only 20€ more now, by mid-summer it should drop a bit more. Probably going to pick up that 1500x.

>>60643819
What would be a good cooler for it? Should I go water cooling or air cooling?

>>60643786
Perhaps more RAM if you need it? Otherwise it looks to be fine if you're still doing 1080p/60hz gaming.

>>60643750
campatibility != performance

>>60643856
i have an overclocked 4690k with a basic hyper212 evo and my temps are nice and lower even under load. i would definitely recommend more ram though. i upgraded from 8 to 16 the other day and my games are so much smoother now. like all my stutter has gone.

>>60643911
My budget for a good air cooler is about 60 dollars, what can you guys recommend me for the 4790k?

>>60643985
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA68V21E0641

>>60643985
CRYORIG H5

>>60643985
Either the Cryorig H5 Ultimate or the Noctua NH-U14S. I believe the Noctua will pull ahead just by a couple of C, but I'm not too sure about acoustics. And you are getting the Noctua color scheme on top of that.

i9 6 core vs i7 7700k?

>>60644270
i9 6 core

>Decide I'm going through with my build.
> No rx580 in stock anywhere

Im so impatient

>>60644270
For anything other than gaming i9 6 core.
Realistically if all you want to do is game, I7 7700k probably will not be beat. It was literally crafted for games, and most developers design with it in mind.
Though how much worse it is could be negligible.

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>>60644408

> It was literally crafted for games, and most developers design with it in mind.

>>60644399
Same problem for me with the 570. When will I finally be able to buy one?

I was wondering, I have a build I will be making closer to the end of summer and I showed it to a friend and he was saying I wanted to choose the 370 motherboard and that I should also up my ryzen 1600 to a 1700 or 1700x. If price wasnt a factor would these upgrades be good moves? Here is the current build:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nwmWd6

Guys, should I keep the 7700k I bought but haven't set up yet (purchased on the 12th (fucking retailer sold stock they didn't really have for a lot of items)) or return it and spring on a 6 core x299?

>>60644481
Play the waiting game I guess.

>>60644528
I7 7700k is bretty gud my dude.
I think people overestimate how many cores / threads they need to do the things they actually do on this Portuguese soccer fan-site.

>>60644524
>If price wasnt a factor would these upgrades be good moves?
Unless you make use of the extra core, meh

>>60644618
I don't know if I actually would. And any idea on the upgrade from 350 to 370 motherboard?

>>60644707
x370 offer 2 extra PCIe lane & SLI / Xfire
No, it's not worth it for you

>>60642467
>>60642584
Just get the G4560 to pair with the 970. Upgrade to something better later

>>60642713
1070 and 1080 are both priced decently relating to their performance. Don't bother planning until Vega gets released

>>60643005
Make sure the cooler comes with the AM4 adapter
Make sure RAM is compatible

>>60643301
Yeah, 3000MHz is great

>>60643382
Sucks, i5s are defunct. Check the 1500X builds here (can swap for 1600 + cooler)
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/

>>60643407
Sell it and move on if you're playing anything more demanding than League

>>60643732
>Is it what the picture your posted is supposed to represent? Intel is better at Dolphin therefore AMD is shit at everything, is what you want us to think? You have very poor logic and knowledge.
You're a fucking moron if you can't even figure out that graph. And yes, Intel is better for Dolphin, CEMU, and PSX2. You are literally a moron, and yet you're calling other anons stupid.

>>60643786
Monitor + gfx card

>>60644524
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xGTwf8
Here. That HDD was expensive, i'm presuming the Deskstar lines of Hitachi offer some interesting (entreprise?) features that can make it appealing at times, but for a consumer paying that much for a 2TB SSD is madness.
Added a cooler from the saved money so that you can overclock (as you clearly seem to aim for high-end performances), & thermal paste because that's always handy to have.

>>60644809
>You're a fucking moron if you can't even figure out that graph.
Why yes i can perfectly figure out that graph, it's a DOLPHIN benchmark, which mean it is not representative of any other software, you fucking retard
>You are literally a moron, and yet you're calling other anons stupid.
I provided video evidence countering his "AMD is shit at emulation!" claim, if all you can respond to that is "You are literally a moron" then you might as well stop posting. You're making a fool of yourself.

should I wait for the rx 570 to be available in my country or go with the 1060 ?

>>60644948
wait for the 470 or 570.

>>60644948
Go with the 1060
Shortage could last multiple weeks for all we know, it's not worth it to wait just for a 570
Do try to search if there are any 470 in stock though

>>60644975
and so the waiting game continues

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>>60645065
fuck off.

>>60645065
Real thread with real op:
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>>60644910
Not that anon but while ryzen it's not utter shit at emulation it still is inferior compared to Intel CPU's when it comes to emulation, depends on the person's choice.

>>60645150
Yes, it's worse, but certainly not shit as he claimed

>>60644910
What you said was
>Intel is better at Dolphin therefore AMD is shit at everything, is what you want us to think?
This is called a strawman argument. You inflate his argument to something it's obviously not in a lame attempt to tear it down. You're such a fanboy that you can't handle a single benchmarks that shows a weakness in Ryzen. Get the fuck out with that mindset.

>his "AMD is shit at emulation!" claim
He never said that, only that there was a trend where AMD has been shit at emulation. The FX CPUs were shit at emulation, and even Ryzen isn't as good as Intel. So fuck off, shill.

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>>60645203
>You inflate his argument to something it's obviously not in a lame attempt to tear it down
Let me quote what he said:
>Just based on the trend of AMD being shit at emulating
And the picture attached was the one of the dolphin benchmark. That was his claim & the picture was his justification.

>He never said that, only that there was a trend where AMD has been shit at emulation
That's the same thing though?
His next post was:
>A 2c/4t intel being better than the top of the line Ryzen t---totally means AMD is fine at emulation!
Implying that AMD is not even able to be qualified as "fine" at emulation by his standard.

>>60645231
Fuck off
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>>60635384
>single core performance is generally what you need for web browsing with multiple threads for different processes like running youtube videos.
>Single-thread performance make 0 difference in gaming since gaming is all multi-core multi-thread performance. Which is where Ryzen excels. The reason for i5's and i7's getting better FPS numbers in games is poor optimization for Ryzen CPUs. Look at comparison videos and yoy generally see the 6 and 8 core Ryzen chips never go above 60% CPU usage in games while i5's , and to a lesser extent, i7's will hit 100% usage spikes. The fact Ryzen can keep up with them at all with such poor optimization is a testament to how much computing horsepower they have. Ryzen has a LOT more to offer and as soon as optimization patches are released, don't be surprised to see a 6 core Ryzen 5 1600 blow away an Intel Core i7 7700K in FPS performance.
No dude. I don't even follow this stuff but my general computer knowledge has me going wha? reading this (I should mention I've designed all the logic required for a CPU and have a CS degree)

The reason that a computer is going to sit at 50% CPU on a compute intensive activity is usually that half the threads exhaust half the cores and don't give a lot of work to the remaining ones.
Most games are better threaded than they used to be but doom 4 for example. Maxes out 2 cores and then leaves one core kind of busy and a 4th relatively idle.

Besides you're talking about CPUs blowing each other away... it's stupid, the current generation of cpus seem to barely make any difference in gaming performance compared to the video card... and video cards that play most games at 144 with max settings at least at 50fps are under 200 dollars and rapidly go up in price.

Buy whatever's good enough when deals come out instead of wasting time being wrong on /g/

>>60642806
He doesn't want to overclock and honestly I would be afraid he'll knock over the PC and if has a water cooling system it's toast that's why I'm going with air cooled. Definitely no gaming it's strictly business use so he might have 2 monitors but integrated should handle it. That's also why he needs the legit copy of windows.

>>60643739
The integrated graphics should be able to have 2 monitors @ 1080p correct? That's all he wants