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Are there any worth file-storage hard drive around $50? I'd like to get some more storage but i don't really need the speed or a 7200rpm drive, just a lot of place and most importantly reliability.

>>60552420
WD blue with 1tb costs around 50$

>>60552467
I do have one already but was wondering if there wasn't any 2TB 5400RPM hard drive around the same price, even if 2.5"

>>60552420
>>60552467
sorry didnt read
>most importantly reliability
for 50$ you wont rly get that, buy a HGST or Toshiba

when will Intel compete?

Looking for a good 34" 1440p 21:9 curved monitor, max 17.5lbs without a stand, must support VESA mounting, minimal bleed, preferably >60Hz and under $1,000. What do you guys recommend?

Also, is this a good basic/mid-range modern graphics card that I could use for both a 34" monitor and a 24" monitor at the same time? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IPVSGEC

>>60552586
Hopefully they price their next 6 cores competitively instead of going retarded on the price.
But considering they have no new architecture until 2020 and the improvement they can do to refresh-lake are very minimals... we'll have to wait three years.

>>60552606
competition is good but why do I think this is just going to be refreshed trash with no real advantage?

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When someone says:
>"HURP LOOK AT THIS PC I *BUILT*"
I give them the same look I would give them if they just got done shopping at pic related and said
>"HURP LOOK AT THIS DESK I *BUILT*"

Please, stop using the words "build" and "PC" in the same sentence. You just make yourself look really, really incompetent and sad.

Correct word: Assemble. As in:
>"I assembled this PC."
or
>"I assembled this Ikea furniture."

Also, there's no reason to be upset that I compared your favorite PC to Ikea. It's just a simple and obvious comparison, and one that's utterly apt and accurate. If this upsets you, please stop living in your own fantasy land where snapping in a couple of clips or screwing in few screws makes you a "builder". It doesn't. You're an "assembler", just like the college girl holding the black-and-white cartoon instructions and carefully tightening cam-locks in her dorm room. You're both "assembling".

Live in reality.

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>>60552661
No idea, might have to do with the fact that the architecture is ten years old and has already been improved to the maximum it could be with nowhere else to go, but i'm not sure on this one

>>60552592
>Also, is this a good basic/mid-range modern graphics card that I could use for both a 34" monitor and a 24" monitor at the same time?
Size of monitor has little to do with this, it's resolution you should be looking at
Check the card specs and look out for "maximum resolution", it should be in there for any card.

>>60552691
That's like saying you can't say "I made a chicken sandwich" unless you personally grew and harvested the wheat for the bread, raised and butchered the chicken, etc.

I bought this PC should come by Friday for £2.25k. I mainly play games and run private servers. Did I make a good choice?

EVGA 750 GQ 750W ATX Modular Power Supply
Intel 7th Generation Core i7 (7700K) 4.2GHz Processor 8MB L3 Cache 8 GT/s DMI3 (Boxed)
Asus ROG GeForce GTX 1080 (8GB) Graphics Card PCI Express 3.0 DisplayPort/HDMI/DVI-D
Crucial MX300 (1050GB) 2.5 inch Solid State Drive SATA 6Gb/s (internal) with 9.5mm Adaptor
Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX Mid Tower Case - Black
Asus RoG Strix Z270E Intel LGA1151 Z270 Motherboard (ATX) RAID LAN (Intel HD Graphics)
G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3000MHz CL16 1.35v DDR4 Desktop Memory Kit
Samsung 960 EVO (500GB) V-NAND Solid State Drive NVMe M.2 (Internal)
Western Digital Black (6TB) 3.5 inch 7200RPM SATA III Hard Drive
NZXT Kraken X52 (240mm) AIO CPU Water Cooling Unit

>>60552918
Sounds like you got memed.

>>60552918
>not Ryzen
it's decent, but not the best for the money.
You got memed

>>60552918
ya got memed

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>>60552918
Well, it will indeed do great, but i don't think you needed such an expensive build for those.
Regardless, if you're gonna run private servers as you do other things, you should get more RAM (unless the servers you host do not eat much)
The AIO in particular is quite expensive for only a very few degrees less than high end hair coolers or even other AIOs, and the GPU unless you have a 1440p or 144hz screen will be very, very overkill.
The NVMe might be overkill too, unless your servers need very low latency to access it's files.
Depending on how much CPU the servers you host eat (generally it's not much), a Ryzen 8 cores CPU might also have been a better idea, but i can't say for sure.

>>60552951
I did? Dam. Oh well.

>>60552960
Dam I got memed?

Ok seriously speaking what does Meme'd even mean. I dont want to be rude but can you guys give me a more intellectual answer?

Also I had money laying around so I dont mind. Plus I had bad experience with amd like bending the pins nd shit.

>>60552991
>I had money laying around
You mean like laying around in your room? On the floor? Why wasn't it invested or at least in a savings account?

>>60552985
Wow finally a great answer. 16gb should be find Im not running like a 100 man server. I have my own WoW vanilla private server where me and my mates play. DESU i only got the cooler because it looks cool.

>>60553012
You know better than me you know what I mean. I got tax return of £4k wanted a decent PC.

>>60552991
>I dont want to be rude but can you guys give me a more intellectual answer?
You chose based on an outdated recommendation and got an ok CPU but not the best performer for the price. Had you chosen based on your actual needs and not just who dominated the last 7 years, you'd have gotten an AMD Ryzen 7 1700, which has 8 cores.
More cores = more whores

>>60553020
>DESU i only got the cooler because it looks cool.
r u fukin kidding m8

more brass than sense

>>60553041
Isnt amd bad though? I heard so much shit on it. Like bad drivers nd shit.
>>60553045
Hey have you seen that infinite mirror led shit? It looks so fucking awesome.

>>60552991
You bought overpriced system with shit like 6tb hard drive, NVME SSD and water cooler when you are obviously not going to be able to utilize them in the first place since you are technological illiterate.

>>60552344
As much as the other OP is blatant shill that continues to peddle misinformation after being repeatedly proven wrong, it is against the rules to have duplicate threads so idk.

Just correct him and try to make the new one faster next time.

>>60552420
For $67 you could get the new Seagate Barracuda 2TB instead of paying ~$50 for 1TB. Apparently it's much better.

You could also wait until Black Friday for a decent 1TB like the MX300 or SU800 to likely drop to $200 like last year. SanDisk's 1TB SSD drops to $200 pretty regularly but it's not quite as good.

>>60553058
>Isnt amd bad though?
They weren't all that competitive. Then a few months ago, they released the Ryzen series, a result of 5 years of work.
Ryzen has been wiping the floor with Intel.

What cooler should I get with a 1600x?

And should I stick with 2666 memory? Don't understand how OC'ing works with ram/AM4 boards, is it automatic or something I have to tweak out somehow?

>>60553097
isnt the 7700k better than 1700x? I plan to overclock it to around 4.8.

I'd like to start ordering parts in the next couple days, is there any legitimate reason to wait on the rx 580 8gb market to stabilize to that I can get a good non reference model for less than $230? Or should I just get a good gtx 1060 6gb which are readily available at that price

>>60553097
My main concern with amd is the fucking pins. Why the fuck did they carry on with the stupid motherfucking pins. When it bends a fucking £400 cpu is rip.

>>60553058
>Isnt amd bad though? I heard so much shit on it. Like bad drivers nd shit.
That's old memes that do not apply anymore since a long long time.
And there is no such thing as bad CPU driver.

For the average gamer a 100% AMD build is currently what's being recommended (R5 1600 / RX 580) because it offers much better performance than competion (cpu-wise) and a slightly better offer GPU-wise (freesync & better in newer APIs). From all the people that built there both here and on other hardware forums, i havent seen anyone complain about it yet, and i do have a 100% AMD build myself so i'd know if it really was shit.

>>60553100
OC is never automatic regardless of brand, otherwise the mobo is very shit and should be avoided.
OC'ing works the same on Ryzen than it does on Intel, although Ryzen Master does allow you to tweak that in the OS directly and hit apply so that you don't need to go into the bios.
2666 memory is fine. Higher is only if you need high refresh rate or if you wanna get the most performance possible out of your CPU for longevity.

>>60553122
Gaming-wise, yes.
The 7700k heats a lot and it becomes increasingly worse as you overclock, so be very careful with that.

>>60553136
If you intend to get Freesync then wait but otherwise the GTX 1060 is not that much different on average.

>>60553097
examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wJQEHNYE7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbK0n5FjvhI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7_1AQc6Xf8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnA8BuTC44U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf_pUECRmAo


All hail Lady AMD.

>>60553147
Is Ryzen Master like MSI afterburner or such? I've used that before.

Any special considerations for OCing RAM? Just using case coolers, in which there is 7 I think in the case I have, 120mm.

Thanks for the advice, it clears things up.

>>60553092
>For $67 you could get the new Seagate Barracuda 2TB instead of paying ~$50 for 1TB. Apparently it's much better.
Oh yes, i do have one of those and also have a WD Caviar Blue and the 2TB is quite a lot better in reading & writing speed though it does vibrate slightly more.
Kinda annoyed there isn't a 2TB $50 hard drive or such though.

>>60552592
>Also, is this a good basic/mid-range modern graphics card that I could use for both a 34" monitor and a 24" monitor at the same time?
Er, for non-gaming? All you could need is an RX550 or GTX1030 with the appropriate outputs.
The RX550 supports 3 4K monitors, if I'm not mistaken, or 6 1080p, so it'll support 1440p ultrashort.

As for monitor, not sure.. I was actually looking for around the same requirements because my monitor arm is best in the 17lb range. I saw some LG ones, but then I realized it was an incredibly bad idea and that I should go with 4K for my main monitor.

>>60552918
You could make that for almost 1000 bong less.
And could have made a PC with 95% the same performance in all regards, or better, for about 1/3rd that price.

>private servers
like.. to yiff in?

>>60552985
>all those trash AIOS that are outperformed by air and probably 4x louder as well.

I question the validity of some of these, though.
The Dark Rock TF is outperforming the NH-D15 by a significant 2 degrees when most seem to put it like a degree or 2 warmer.
And the D-15 is hardly better than the D-14 there despite being very significantly larger and most putting a bigger gap.

>>60553188
Yeah, but I hear the new Barracuda is a lot quieter and such. It's been getting really good reviews. I forget the model number.
I normally wouldn't have recommended the older ones.

>>60553176
I don't really know much about freesync vs gsync. This pc is intended for 1080p gaming, what would be the approximate price difference between good entry-level freesync and gsync monitors?

>>60553188
What's wrong with the $57 Hitachi 2tb models?

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>>60553181
It's a Windows 10 tool that allows you to overclock the CPU (frequency & voltage) live and allows you to overclock the RAM without having to go into the bios, but it will still need a reboot to apply the RAM OC.

>Any special considerations for OCing RAM?
If you intend to have it clocked like it is rated for (example: Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000MHz, GSkill Trident 3400MHz), then those settings are saved directly onto the RAM and you just need to apply the XMP/DOCP profile in the bios. Once applied it will change the frequency, latency timings & voltage of the RAM that the stick is rated for, meaning the stick is technically able to achieve this specific frequency with those timings at this voltage
If you wanna overclock beyond the profile it's entirely dependent on stick and you'll have to loosen the timings and increase the voltage & clock yourself.
Cooling is irrelevant for RAM OC, only RAM sticks and motherboard are relevant for it.
Low end motherboards will not reach as high frequencies as high end ones.
Also, getting high frequency on AM4 motherboards is difficult, though an update has been given to motherboard manufacturers a week ago and they are all currently working on bioses for it which should come pretty soon.

>>60553246
Freesync is a software solution so it doesn't require much work to add and is open source so free. G-Sync is a hardware solution so naturally the cost of the G-Sync module is added but also a big premium goes to Nvidia for it.
Freesync is very very cheap, G-Sync is very expensive.

>>60553273
Oh nothing probably. Hitachi are generally good.

I haven't looked at them much. If I did, I'd be looking at 2.5" ones. I don't like full size 5.75" or whatever drives anymore.
Heck, you take them apart and it's often small platters for 2.5" drives inside them anyway to share between laptops and such. Those laptop HDDs have gotten so good that there is usually no point in getting the big legacy ones.

>>60553344
idk but >60 definitely is.
I can see a huge difference between 60hz and 85 or 90. But going from 85 to 144 isn't that big of a deal in most games for me.

What would you upgrade on this build first?

RAM (another 2x4GB 3000mhz for roughly $70, resulting in 16GB)
SSD (preferably ~500GB)

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ladposter/saved/d6KLkL

>>60553233
>And the D-15 is hardly better than the D-14 there despite being very significantly larger and most putting a bigger gap.
D-15 is an somewhat improved though larger version of the D-14, so they might be very similar in performance. The Dark Rock TF being so good is surprising to me, though. Really would like to see more about this, because usually it's the Dark Rock 3 PRO pitted against the Noctua D-15, with Noctua in the lead.

>>60553384
I'd say SSD, if you aren't feeling the need to upgrade now you're fine for the time being.
RAM upgrade isn't really that noticeable even with a beefy CPU that can handles a fuckton of programs at once.

>>60553422
>if you aren't feeling the need to upgrade now you're fine for the time being.
i meant that for RAM

>>60552691
Build:
construct (something, typically something large) by putting parts or material together over a period of time.

A correct word to use is BUILD. ASSEMBLE also work but I'm not autistic.

>>60553317
Now I'm actually considering spending $250 on a PowerColor Red Dragon RX 580 8GB. I could get a 1060 6GB for about $20-25 cheaper, but if I ever decide to get a good monitor later, it seems like I'd be abe to save that much be being able to use freesync.

>>60553437
How long until RAM reaches equilibrium you think? Partly my problem is I'm afraid that the RAM is $72 today but might be basically $80 in a couple months.

>>60553518
Just a warning: for me freesync isn't any good. I have a freesync capable monitor but it's kinda buggy and causes flicker. It may have been fixed since then but I'm not sure.

>>60553538
Damn, I've been going back and forth for the past couple days on a 1060 vs 580. I know that I probably can't go wrong with either, but if I'm gonna spend $200+ on something I don't want to make a stupid mistake.
I'm just gonna find a good 1060 6gb for $230. It seems like the safer choice overall without any real drawbacks.

>>60553571
>without any real drawbacks
DX12 and Vulkan.
And forced incompatibility with those cheap 75hz freesync monitors.

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>>60553571
You're not gonna do a stupid decision either way

So is i7 7700k bad? I mean why all the hate. Ryzen is good but I prefer intel because it's never let me down while and has in the past. I just bought a i7 7700k plus a 1080 GPU did I fuck up? Can I get a legit answer and not that autistic you got memed ones.

>1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580
what a load of bullshit

>>60553635
>So is i7 7700k bad?
No, but AMDrones don't want to accept the fact that it's better than anything AMD has to offer when it comes to gaming. They're so asshurt about it that they had to make their own thread because the other thread had more sensible recommendations and actual tips that weren't favorable to Ryzen.

>>60553304
Oh awesome, it is a program like afterburner.

Thank you for the heads up.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157759&cm_re=ASRock_Fatal1ty_AB350_Gaming_K4-_-13-157-759-_-Product

This is the motherboard I have, and it says 3200. With what you said, I'm confident with going with 3200 ram sticks next time I see them.

Thank you so much for the heads up again.

>>60553713
No, the other thread was straight up just bashing AMD and saying to not buy Ryzen at all.

>>60553635
Nah you did good. Ryzen 5 is great on a budget but the 7600k on sale is also better than most Ryzen 5 processors.

Ryzen is good but not so good that you should never buy Intel, though AMD shills will say otherwise and say all benchmarks that refute their point are biased.

>>60553909
I was saying don't buy Ryzen unless you can accept its many flaws and shortcomings. If you're a gamer who wants their computer to just work, Intel is currently the better option, that is simply undeniable. Ryzen and AM4 has not gotten to that point yet, which is why I can never recommend Ryzen to anyone but enthusiasts until AMD gets their shit together and fixes the many optimization issues that still remain.

Or until Ryzen+ comes out, which is what all of you AMDrones should agree upon. Ryzen without the teething issues and a much higher clock frequency.

>>60553990
From the thread:


> Buy Intel if you're primarily gaming and occasionally working
>buy Ryzen if you use obscure, uncommon apps that doesn't use CUDA acceleration for work and game occasionally

Thats basically saying don't buy Ryzen.

>>60553607
That CoD result is surprising to me.
I guess since it's a console port and optimized for GCN.
And the GoW 4 result on that site is very different from some others that had the RX580 95% the performance of the GTX 1070 at least in 1440p.

>>60552691
>FIRST TIME BUILDER HERE

>>60553635
It's not bad, just bad value.

The 1600 at 4GHz is almost twice as fast as a 7700k at 5GHz in productivity, and super close in gaming, often even better with the minimums.

>>60554113
And is it wrong? How many applications can actually take advantage of more than eight threads? How many of us use Linux on a daily basis and compile code in a field where seconds matter? Not many of you, and this is /g/ for crying out loud. And even then, you should be spending most of your money on hardware accelerators like Quadro cards. Ryzen is a neat experiment and a left-field choice, but it's not a mainstream choice just yet.

>>60554178
>And is it wrong?

Thanks for confirming that you are in fact, an intel shill and that nobody should waste their time arguing with you.

>>60554231
Your bias is clouding your judgement. You call me a shill, but you can't refute my claims that Ryzen isn't meant for the regular consumer in its current state.

Also, I just recommended a 1700X to someone in the real /pcbg/ thread because his use case actually warranted it, so suck a dick.

>>60554178
>And is it wrong?

Uh yes, saying not to buy Ryzen is wrong. Nobody ITT is outright saying to not buy Intel, just to not buy the i3 and i5 because they're a bad value and obsolete thanks to the pentium and ryzen 5.

I'm new to this shit, how can I tell if a build is going to bottleneck, just from looking at the parts?

>>60554416
I'm not saying everyone shouldn't buy Ryzen. I specifically said that gamers and regular users should avoid Ryzen because it doesn't offer them very much performance despite the supposed benefits of having more cores. I can only fully recommend Ryzen if your work demanded that you have more cores over everything else.

>>60554401
Funny how this split /pcbg/ problem only really became a problem when ryzen realesed.

>>60554461
Because AMDrones have been pushing the shill button too hard on their unfinished product. I'll wait until Ryzen+ before agreeing with any of you on Ryzen's worth. You are simply wrong on the value-to-performance claims that Ryzen supposedly has (it simply doesn't, especially not now).

>>60554457
>gamers and regular users should avoid Ryzen

And you know damn well that is 95% of the people that come here. In that thread you are recommending fucking i5s over Ryzen 5.

>>60554449
I'm not an expert, but I would check logicalincrements. If one of your parts is in a different tier than the rest, it might be the bottleneck.

>>60554487
And I'm 100% right to recommend a product that performs better at gaming than one that is similarly priced, but worse overall and offers less features.

>>60554518
>performs better

90%-100% cpu usage and microstuttering = performing better.

At last i truly see.

>>60554532
You're not looking at the overall FPS. Plus, I haven't seen a single older game that plays as well on Ryzen than it does on the Core i5.

>>60554503
looks like my build fits all in high-exceptional, neat.

>>60552691
(You)

Alright. Got a couple of questions. First:
>can I OC Ryzen 5 1600X or potentially 1700 to 3.9+ GHz without going too high on temps with the Cooler Master MasterAir Pro 4 cooler
>give me a yes or no and an estimate on temps if you can for each
And....
>does the Gigabyte GA-AB350-GAMING have dual bios?
>inb4 google, i did for both. For mobo question it said support for dual bios. Im guessing yes, but "support" makes me uncertain

>>60554546
>overall FPS
>Oh no, the i5 gets 500fps in csgo vs the 1600's measly 300. What ever will i do with just 300 frames on my 144hz monitor.

That's you. The i5 may get more frames, but it doesn't matter because both perform almost identically and you will always have more frames than you can deal with, assuming your graphics card isn't shit. Also assuming that you aren't gaming at 720p ultra low.

>>60554643
You know that the situation doesn't get any better for Ryzen if you up the resolution. An FX-9590 can get the same amount of frames as an i7-6900K at 4K with the right graphics card, because higher resolutions put a larger workload on the GPU. The reason why all of these tests are done at 1080p or smaller resolutions is because they're testing the CPU by limiting the impact that the GPU has in offloading work.

Plus, Ryzen and Nvidia cards have inconsistent performance with different APIs. Why would you argue that this shifts the in favor towards Ryzen's side if it can't even run steady with the most popular GPU manufacturer in the world?

>>60554178
It's not about a SINGLE application using 8 threads, though, even though many do and so do games.
You have multiple applications running on your PC that all use resources and get split among those threads.

What do you think happens when a game really uses at least 4 threads heavily, but you only have 4 threads, and some other application wants to use a thread? One of those 4 stalls and at least 1 of the other 3 threads are usually dependent on it finishing its work before they get more task. That's how you get stutter.
Even on GTA4, which hardly puts more work on 8 out of 16 threads, though it does use 8 threads pretty well, it's smoother on a 1800X than a 7700k.

>>60554713
>You know that the situation doesn't get any better for Ryzen if you up the resolution
Most reviewers show it getting better minimums on 1080p and even better averages at 4k thanks to that consistency in a GPU bottlenecked situation.

>>60554643
It's actually 400+ FPS in CSGO now at 4GHz. It was 350 day1 but it's improved with BIOS and other updates.
Whereas the 7700k gets about 450.

>>60554860
>What do you think happens when a game really uses at least 4 threads heavily, but you only have 4 threads, and some other application wants to use a thread
It executes the task anyway on any one of those threads, whose impact is ultimately minuscule to most gamers and even professional eSports players? Do you even know how many threads your OS has lined up at any given moment? Here's a hint, it's usually greater than the number of threads available on a flagship Xeon E7 quad-socket server. And yet we don't need more than two or four to execute them all. Your CPU can multitask in fractions of a second.
>even better averages at 4k thanks to that consistency in a GPU bottlenecked situation.
...Involving very high-end GPUs that are not in reach of most of the gaming consumers. How many Titan XPs have been sold so far?

So I'm watching this video comparing the i5-7500 against the r5 1600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uGsOvrplo0

I notice that the load % is lower on the 1600 cores than the i5 7500 despite the fact that fps are pretty much the same. How is this significant? I've heard people say that means the 1600 has more room for handling more load, but I don't know what that means. What's the point of having lower percentages if it doesn't mean you can get a higher fps?

>>60554987
>What's the point of having lower percentages if it doesn't mean you can get a higher fps?

So you can do other shit while you game, like stream, watch a video, shitpost on 4chan, listen to music.

Try that on i5 and its stutter heaven.

>>60554987
Some instructions are time/clock regulated chewing up CPU usage.
The 1600 having more cores and threads can't speed this up, but can handle more instructions throw at it.
Meaning in future should a game require more of those instruction the 1600 will handle it a lot better, but the i5 will tank.

>>60554987
>How is this significant?
For one, it shows that the Ryzen architecture is still not fully optimized, since it's not being used to its full potential even in a stressful game like GTA V. Two, it ultimately means little to the average consumer since they tend to run one or two programs in the background and never interact with them until they're done playing the game. Apart from a virus scan (which eats up a lot of CPU threads), this will have negligible impact on the game overall and only becomes a factor if you alt-tab constantly (which again most consumers don't do). Ryzen probably still can't take full advantage of all its threads yet because there seems to be a bug in all the Windows OS that limits Ryzen's per core usage by a certain amount. To my knowledge this bug has not been fully addressed.

So I've just finished upgrading my PC not too long ago, switched the gpu, cpu, motherboard, and ram. When I plug it in, the lights on the MB, and all the fans turn on, but the PC itself won't turn on. Have checked all the wires, 1 ram stick, plugged hdmi into MB, unplugged and held power button, none have worked. What should I try next?

If anyone experienced with the MSI Armor and ASUS ROG Strix lines can answer...
Which one is better when it comes to cooling and fan noise/coil whine? The RX 5XX models in particular. The GPU is the last component I'm selecting for my first build and the two 580s of both lines are only $10 apart.

>>60555115
Look at the OP image in the original /pcbg/ thread
>>60551366

>>60554934
>...Involving very high-end GPUs that are not in reach of most of the gaming consumers.
Thanks for arguing the point of why Ryzen is better unknowingly because you're blinded but your dumb shilliness.

Yes. Most people can't afford those expensive GPUs. They are GPU bottlenecked, where those higher minimums of Ryzen often shift it to having a better averages.
Test out the RX580 on a 1600X and 7700k at 1440p, and the 1600X often wins.

Right now i found an old HP Compaq 8200 that has an Intel i5 2500. I have a spare GTX 1050 ti that someone gave me and do you think itll be compatible? Also the motherboard is some old ass model that i dont know and the psu is at 240w. I would probably have to upgrade the power too right? Also, adding 8gb of ram should be enough right?

>>60555115
Clear CMOS. Have the PC unplugged, and press the power button before doing so.
>hdmi into mobo
You got AMD? Because there's no on board graphics.
Try a spare card if you have one. Also try several different RAM sticks.
Have you put the speaker on the motherboard? That should beep an error code.

>>60555157
You've made my point there. At higher resolutions, the GPUs take on most of the load and the CPU becomes much less of a factor, like I stated earlier. With ridiculously expensive graphics cards like the Titan XP, the difference between running it on the 1700X versus the 7700K is negligible and practically unnoticeable.
>They are GPU bottlenecked
And also CPU bottlenecked if they run an Nvidia card on a Ryzen CPU. They perform consistently poorly in DX12, whereas the Intel i7s produce higher numbers than it should, quite frankly.
>Test out the RX580 on a 1600X and 7700k at 1440p, and the 1600X often wins.
No it doesn't. In DX12, maybe for a handful of AAA games that takes advantage of more than four threads at a time. In DX11, you're wrong and a pile of shit.

>Background
Ill be using this PC for some light gaming (Dota, CS:GO, Fallout Series) and for 3D modeling software

Is the GTX 1070 worth the extra $100 from the RX 580?

>>60554586
>can I OC Ryzen 5 1600X or potentially 1700 to 3.9+ GHz without going too high on temps with the Cooler Master MasterAir Pro 4 cooler
Yes.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tm9dPs

Trying to upgrade from my laptop, but I don't have the space for a full tower. Also, I don't know shit about picking parts or weighting price and value.

So anyone, will a i5 2500 and a gtx 1050 ti with an old motherboard be able to run efficiently with 8gb of ram?

>>60555164
Tried the first thing, only have the 2 ramsticks I got that will work with this MB, the CPU is Intel, tried my old gpu anyways which still didn't work. It makes a sound in sync with the flashing lights on the MB, one beat every half second or so.

BOUTA PULL THE TRIGGER ANY LAST WORDS

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6s82Gf

>>60555381
That's the no processor code. I think it's the mobo mate. Return that.

>>60555363
I guess?
I have a 7970 which is pretty equivalent to a 1050ti, but my i5-2500k was bottlenecking it often at 4GHz. I'd get something more powerful.

>>60555423
>pny ssd
>i5 6500
>1 stick of RAM


this is bait isnt it

>>60555423
Yeah, put it in your mouth and aim up and back a bit.
The temple shot is sometimes non-fatal.

>>60555423
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LdydPs
Not gonna happen with itx. Best bet is matx, you need the extra pcie slots

>>6055545
Looked at the manual (this is a biostar mobo), it says continuous beeping is a RAM problem, so I guess it's that. Thanks.

>>60555491
Can you please offer some tips and tricks to upgrade this build

There's only 2 ram slots so if I would want to add another in the future then it makes sense to just get the 1 stick now right

>>60555649
>>60555445

>>60555354
Anyone got a bit of advice? I am clueless, please.

>>60555676
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Zg2wJV

here

>>60555354
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tm9dPs
I don't know anything about that SSD.
And the GPU has a blower cooler. are you sure that's what you want?
Rest seems fine.

>>60555891
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Zg2wJV
i5-7500 will bottleneck a 7500 in many (most newer?) cases.

>>60555923
I have no idea. What are my options, and what are the pros and cons?

>>60555942
>i5-7500 will bottleneck a 7500 in many (most newer?) cases

What?

>>60555891
Whoa thanks, why are 7500 and 6500 the same price?

>>60556080
The 7500 is the 6500's direct replacement. They are supposed to cost the same.

>>60556003
Blower cards are much louder. They blow air out the back of the SLI slot.
down-blower cards are much quieter, better cooling for the GPU, though they do blow warm air into your case which is bad with certain case fan layouts especially with AIOs.

i bought this pc with the intention of upgrading the graphics card from the r7 350 2gb to the gtx 1070

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883230169

will i run into any problems?

im pretty tech illiterate and new to this pc gaming thing

>>60556198
>it's the "they put a K CPU in an H110 motherboard" episode
Holy kek, what the fuck was the point of that?
Go to the actual thread if you want build advice.
>>60551366
What CyberpowerPC is doing is pretty terrible.

>>60556248
stop splitting up the threads, this one has more posts. therefore, this one should be used until this one reaches bump limit.

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r9 285/380 vs r9 280x?

Still using a 7870 and looking to upgrade to something better but not new cuz can't afford it.

most graphic intensive gaymes I play are the witcher and the new deus ex. the 7870 runs them just fine on high settings at 30+ fps.

Will only upgrade until mount and blade: bannerlord commes out (if ever)

>>60556248
sorry

>>60556294
Keep using that 7870 and save up some money so you can afford to buy a 570 at least.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GRfZCy

How is this build looking?

>>60556362
Good but i fixed it up a bit.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZZB6gL

>>60555942
>>60556039
Will bottleneck a 1070.

Pretty much done with this build, looking for last minute advice.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jXs7Fd
Is there any reason I would need to upgrade my motherboard? I pretty much just picked the cheapest one because I know I won't be doing any overclocking. Are there any important features that I'm missing out on?
I'm only buying one stick of ram because most sources I've read say that dual channel is a meme. My mobo only has room for two sticks, so this lets me grab another stick of 8gb if I want to later.
My biggest concern is whether it's all going to fit in the case, since this will be my first mATX build. How can I tell whether the GPU will fit and that it won't block anything else like additional HDDs? I can buy a smaller GPU for $20 more if it matters.
Here are links to my case, my GPU, and the potentially smaller GPU.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QMp323/thermaltake-case-ca1d500s1wn00
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125901&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487261&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

>>60556620
I am the original build poster

By how much? Like just shaving a couple fps off of 1080p or something? Or something more substantial?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7mGF9W

Pretty new to putting together a computer, how's this?

>>60556666
First of all, very nice digits, second of all. If you are playing at 1080p, it'll bottleneck some, but it wont be really noticeable.

If your playing in 1440p or 4k, there be virtually no bottleneck.

>>60556666
Not that guy, but I've read that the i5 will only bottleneck a 1070 at 1080p, but if you're going to be gaming at 1080p, the 1070 is overkill anyway. gtx 1060 6gb is more than enough for 1080p.

>>60556666
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vYr8qk

tweaked that other anons build

like >>60556733 said

1070 is overkill for 1080p

is it ever worth buying a pre built gaming PC?

>>60556813
No.

is a 1060 6gb enough for gaming at 1080p with max settings at 60fps?

>>60556707
Looks pretty good to me, but I'm wondering why you picked that motherboard in particular. There are probably mobos with more positive reviews at that price point. Also, what are you doing about a case and psu?

>>60556813
I don't think there's anything wrong with buying a prebuilt as long as you know exactly what's in it and you're getting it at the same price or cheaper than you could build it yourself. But that's never the case, and you're always paying more to have someone else build it for you, which is dumb unless you truly can't do it yourself or you have more money than free time.

>>60556864
For >90% of games, yes.

>>60556883
how long will the card last me before i need to upgrade do you think?

>>60556912
Until you upgrade your monitor/three years

>>60556665
Any advice for this one? Particularly about the mobo since I really don't understand the point of more expensive mobos if I know I won't be overclocking and the brand is reputable.

>>60556947
im content to stay at 1080p forever and i use my tv as a monitor

still 3 years?

>>60556666
You'll probably only notice it if you run above 60fps or you're very sensitive to frame skips.
If you're doing that at 1080p a 1070 is really overkill though.

>>60556870
I just chose a motherboard that looked good, and I forgot to include the power unit.

And does the case matter except for how it looks?

>>60556666
An i5-7500 can even bottleneck a 1060 or RX580, so by 30% or more.

There's no point in getting an i5-7600k, let alone an even worse i5-7500. These are basically slightly updated 6 year old CPUs.

If you're playing in 1440p, it won't bottleneck in most cases I suppose. But there are lots of cases where an i5 does drop under 60fps, especially in newer multiplayer games.

I'm just worried about how long a 7700k would still be considered good.

>>60557000
Yeah, there's bound to be advances in water and hair that'll tank the card. Should be optional settings at first, but you'll be missing out.
Still three years is a good life span. And in that time you should really be getting money from somewhere for your next card.
Mind you that's for ultra/max settings.
Unless you're in a bad economy, then gaming shouldn't be that high a priority. Fix that shit Anon. They haven't, step it up.

What are some good 1440p 140hz monitors for a reasonable price

What screen is best for me? And what's a good wifi reciever, I can't get a cable from my modem to my room.

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So, I recently upgraded my PC with better hardware and I've been getting this a lot lately. My computer just randomly restarts itself with this or some slight variation of this screen.

Evidently I did something wrong, and I have no clue what happened. Is it a hardware issue, is it a software issue? Before I upgraded, my PC was working just fine, so at least I know the problem is rooted there.

I'd really love some feedback here.

>>60557166
PCIe card WiFi, not a dongle unless you internet speed is less than 10mb/s
Needs to be dual band (5Ghz) for high speed internet >25mbs. Check your router to see if it's dual band. 801.blah.blah c or something should be the code.

We typically recommend 1440p, but what's your price range and hardware specs Anon.

>>60557214
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/878czM

>>60557203
PSU?
Did you reinstall windows?

Does anyone here have the Corsair Carbide Air 240 mATX case?
I'm looking into getting it but I'm having trouble finding a good CPU cooler that fits into it. I'm getting a Ryzen 1600X and was thinking about the Noctua UH-12S SE-AM4 but it's too big for the case, so now I have no idea what to get.

>>60557270
Not really? I'm not sure. I remember after rebooting my PC after finishing, Windows was being funny and I got the pop-up asking me if I changed hardware. I couldn't connect online, and it said Windows services were unavailable or something.

It had me go through a few steps before Windows allegedly corrected itself.

>>60557263
I wouldn't skimp on the psu. I'm building a much more modest computer than you are and I went with this one.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TgW9TW/seasonic-power-supply-m12ii520bronze

>>60552344
gtx 1050ti or rx 560? I was leaning towards gtx since I also have the possibility to fiddle around with deep learning but apparently nvidia is going jewmode and installing telemetry along with their drivers.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q6bzd6

>>60557263
You're going to need a bigger PSU. Go for 550W, the closer to MAX draw the more problems like burnout or tripping power spike become a problem.
As for the screen try for a 1440p, and fuck off that keyboard and put towards the screen. You can always buy a nice one later/get a mech one for $30 off >>>/g/csg/
Best to wait a week and a half before buying the card. AMD releases Vega then, and should cause prices to drop on 1080's/be a better card for you.

>>60556294
The 380 did have a few refinements and more VRAM, right? Should probably go with that.
But 280X is cheap, and I think about double the performance of what you have.

Have you considered just getting an RX560? It's a bit lower perf than the 280, but you don't have to worry about it being an old card that might die.
But if the 380 is close in price, go for it.

>>60557263
>GTX 1080
>r5 1600
>430w non-certified power supply
Get at least 500w, and at least bronze, but preferably better.

I've got 16GB of RAM and lately I've been having programs crash due to running out of memory while playing games (mostly new Quake which uses 10 fucking gb). I almost always have a VM with 4GB allocated running but lately I've been suspending it while gaming.

Also I've got 2.75TB of storage space and a 3TB backup drive. I've only got 470GB free. I won't fill that space that quickly. And about 1TB of that is games which I don't backup.

What would you get first some more RAM or another TB or two of storage? I've got another 16GB in my cart about to checkout but then I started thinking of more storage.

>>60557347
>>60557375

How's 520w and is Dell any good for monitors?

>>60557449
Depends on the particular monitor but dell can make some extremely good monitors.

>>60557449
520 is good. As for Dell l got no complaints about their products, other than prebuilts. Just their shilling on /g/.
Not calling you one, just making it aware that it goes on, should you not like to reward such behaviors.

>>60557203
Maybe tell us which hardware you upgraded?

Doing a build and don't have time to replace the parts I have, so I'm stuck with this problem;
Is it viable to replace one of the case fans with the fan from an alo watercooling fan?

>>60557521
Yes. So long as it plugs into what power connector you choose for it.

Reminding everyone ITT that the i5 7600k is on sale for $199 and worth considering over a 1600 Ryzen build if you want better single-core performance and greater mobo choice at the cost of # of cores.

>>60557516
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132566
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117561
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233832
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487244

And a new HDD.

>>60557530
Thanks, I'm concerned for thermals as its most likely going to be the only output fan in the case (2 intakes on the front) and I've got a regular non-rear exhaust gpu.
I guess i'll see for that though.

>>60554175
>in productivity
""""""""""""productivity"""""""""""
are you talking about rendering?

>>60557333
The 1050Ti is better in older games, while the RX560 is generally even or better in newer ones while cheaper.
Idk why the 1050 would be better for deep learning. Isn't the RX560 higher TFLOPS? You'll just need to use Vulkan or OpenCL instead of proprietary CUDA shit.

>>60557375
Um 400w is enough for a 1600 and GTX 1080. I agree on getting a certified one, though.

>>60557554
>vulkan instead of cuda shit
Nobody uses vulkan, that's the problem. And I don't know if anything changes about that in the near future.

>>60557548
Don't stress, you can run most builds with a single intake fan.

>>60557545
Are you using the same windows install?

>>60557548
More intake is more important than more output fans.

Positive pressure is much better than negative.

>>60557483
I'll keep it in mind at least, odds are I'll find a different one for cheaper or wait for a sale or something.

Thanks

>>60557580
Probably, yeah. It's the same drive with the same OS.

This is my first time upgrading a PC, so I;m thinking I made a rookie mistake.

>>60557608
Okay well, did you install your new chipset drivers and stuff? Go make a fresh Windows install, if you're fucking changing your entire platform/chipset you're gonna have problems in an old Windows install.

>>60557626
Well fuck me. Were the drivers supposed to come on a disk with the motherboard? Because I don't have one.

>>60557679
Disks are obsolete. go download them.

Building an ITX couch rig, how does it look?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ybkZCy

I was going to go Ryzen but they only have two ITX boards for sale, and neither of them have actually been rated.

>>60557699
Yeah, I'm on it.

Thank you, good sir, for helping me out.

I've got a 4 year old pc with an i5 3570k with a gtx 680 graphic card. I've only used it to play porn game and some shitty mmo. Would just upgrading the graphic card would be enough to play honey select at 4k. If so which graphic card is good?

>>60557448

I got more RAM, thanks for opinions

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>>60557763
Single best post of the thread, that isn't Inlets getting ass blasted.

>>60557554
>The 1050Ti is better in older games, while the RX560 is generally even or better in newer ones while cheaper.
RX 560 got nothing on 1050 Ti, it can only perform better than 1050 Ti on AMD titles that uses Vulcan.

Vast majority of games it can't even compete with gtx 1050.

>Um 400w is enough for a 1600 and GTX 1080. I agree on getting a certified one, though.
Nope, 1600 draws like 140watt, and GTX 1080 probably around 200 watt. That's already 340 watt, and then there's around 40 watts for the rest, ending up at close to 400 watts. If there's any short spike in watt draw, the system will crash.

>>60557763
For the cheep side, a 480 8gb/580 should so. Can't imagine you're aiming for a solid 75+fps for that.

>>60557898
VEGA WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

No, shitty overpriced office man GPU doesn't count.

>>60558096
VEGA is going to be expensive, and volta will come out just a few months later to leave VEGA in the dust again.

Sapphire 580 8GB nitro+ or msi 1060 6GB? Both cost the same in my country

>>60558106
>volta will come out just a few months later
Not until next year most likely. Just saying, also, video cards are always left in the dust by new generations. No such thing as future-proof.

hey guys i wanna look into ssd for my laptop but cheap like newest one with tlc? don't understand about it but is sandisk ssd plus are good enough? and which brand have the best warranty and reliability out there?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DFN7Fd

is there room for case fans in the node202 or what
im trying to make this aestehtic as possible so ill accept any recommendations at all
price cieling: ~$1500

ignore the incompability with liquid cooler and case, im going make some cuts for it

>>60558096
Beginning of next month.
>>60558106
>VEGA is going to be expensive
Yes and no. It'll be the most costly AMD card, but should be priced according to performance.
I'm guessing three tiers will release.
I haven't heard of any pricing leaks yet. But I'm sure as hell it will be best performance per dollar as per AMD tradition.
>volta will come out just a few months later
HA, try nearly a year with inferior GDDR6.
>>60558128
580. Should last you longer with better DX12 and extra RAM headroom.

>>60558135
But nvidia is first, which means the AMD cards are much lower value, due to how quickly they become outdated, compared to nvidia (but nvidia is kind of ruining the value of their own cards..)

Why the fuck are all RX570/580 sold out.

>>60558168
Yeah thats weird. None of the 1060's are.... hmmm.

>>60558158
Yeah, it makes swallowing the high prices of the ridiculous cards like the 1080ti difficult, but ultimately when it comes to computers you just have to pay for the best parts you can afford at the time, and then ride them til they're not satisfactory, even knowing they'll be obsolete in 6 months time. basically, green or red, you're getting fucked in the ass.

>>60558158
>due to how quickly they become outdated

It's nvidia cards that quickly become outdated. Not AMD.

>>60558187
The Micro Center near where I live hasn't been able to keep their 580s in stock... because they haven't been getting any shipments on time. It's as if the Polaris 10 GPUs are running into a production issue...

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>>60558219
Almost as if demand is outstripping supply. Hmmm.

>>60558216
Yeah, true. You can't quickly become something you already are.

>>60558144
oh and is there going to be price drops for gpu when vega comes out or what

>>60558317
Should be, unless Vega outclasses the 1080's and costs more. Then nVidia has no reason to drop prices.

>>60558144
Raijintek metis is better if you can mod it a bit, and don't mind normal proportions on your case.

What does /g/ think of this build? Any changes I should make?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KNxKQV

Are warranties just memes or should I actually buy a warranty on some of my more expensive parts (CPU, GPU)?

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Kinda want someone to discourage me from spending a months wage on this new gaming rig, I'm almost 30 and should not be playing games anymore.

Total cost: 1 952$ (1 745€)

https://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/10418574/

>>60558954

Wat do you have now?

>>60558954
Wait like two weeks for Vega, should drop prices.
Change to a 1500x/1600x. Mobo's should be cheaper. (I ain't konverting kraut) 1500X if purely gaming, can upgrade later to 1600X.
1600X for if you will actually use the PC for more than gaming.
Fuck the EVO off for a cheaper sata type SSD
Pirate windows.
Saved you an arse load of doh, and a life time of s-s-s-stutter.

>>60558954
Don't pay for Windows especially not at 1/3rd of the price of your cpu, what the fuck? 960 evo is a meme you don't need anything that "fast", just get a reliable long-lasting bigger SSD for booting and games, promise you won't notice.

>>60558707
Get AM4, intel CPUs are shit, and introduces stuttering because they can't keep up.

212 evo is loud as fuck, and pretty bad.
Get something quiter, something from Be Quiet or Noctua, probably.

Dunno about the ram, but might work with ryzen.

850W is way overkill, but it's a good PSU, so get 550/650W version instead.

>Full tower
>Acrylic window
>2017
At most get a standard full tower, NZXT S340, Phanteks P400S, Fractal Design Define C.
Or, get a good mATX, like Define mini C, get some premium fans too (Like Be Quiet! silentwings 3).

>>60559085
Don't shill a processor that performs worse in gaming when the guy said he specifically only wants to game, faggot. The 7700k is the best gaming processor right now, deal with it.

>>60558954
You can buy OEM key for $5 from allkeyshop, don't waste your money on an extremely overpriced OEM key.

Get the r5-1600 instead, it's actually even cheaper.

Bad idea to get two seperate SSDs, get a MX300 525gb SSD instead... Use prisjakt, to get cheaper prices, absolutely no point to buy everything from the same store.

There, I saved you 3000kr

>>60559104
>Hurr durr I can't read
See
>>60558954
>Kinda want someone to discourage me from spending a months wage on this new gaming rig
>>60559104
Now would you kindly, go fuck yourself.
Sure the 7700k is 'the best'.
But there's more than FPS that matters when recommending hardware. You're the shill here. All you seek is to bleed people dry.

>>60552344
Still with a i5-3570k but I want to change my GTX670.
Thinking of getting a GTX1060 or should I move up to the 1070?
What 1060 should I get?

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>>60559069
currently using a gaming laptop.

Acer aspire V 15 nitro.

Cannot even play PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS on lowest setting without stuttering.

>>60559085
>Wait like two weeks for Vega, should drop prices.
vega is in 2 months, and that's only the data center version, it'll take a few weeks, maybe a month, after that for consumer versions to come out.

>>60559104
7700K is overpriced, and it's not the "best gaming processor", it stutters in games because it hit's 100% usage and thus ends up with super long frame draw times.
It's a bad buy, and it's not good for gaming.

Any FPS above 144 is going to be wasted... Besides, the bottleneck here is going to be the GPU.

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>inb4 botnet10

how's the build?

>>60559155
Source? Not that I doubt, just interested in the data center version.

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I'm buying a lot of this with a $450 dollar gift card from Best Buy, but my main issue is if I should grab an R9 Fury or Fury X from Hardware Swap etc or if anything else is in the works right now for a 250-300 Price range for that kind of 4k performance

>>60559338
you could probably pick up a used 980 on ebay or something for that much.

my 980 is pushing 4k pretty well still

What's the recommended GPU brand for AMD-based GPUs? I don't need anything too advanced. If it's possible to get one with VGA-output, that would be awesome.

>>60559338
Question. Why not an AMD Ryzen 5 1600 and a B350 motherboard?

>>60559577
MSI gaming X
EVGA
ASUS
Pretty much everything brand named.

Overclocking GPU's is stupid easy, so getting a non stock card is recommended. Seriously, YouTube how to overclock X. It's one program with a few sliders, you can't fuck up.
My pick is MSI for that. I haven't done that much research, but they seem the most consistent across GPU's. Where as EVGA seems to use Intel stock coolers on some of their cards (low tier nVidia if I remember right)

>>60559643
Also, avoid EVGA's FTW series. There've been issues with the coolers exploding, but only on FTW models.

>>60559338
i5 has no place in a post ryzen world. Go for a high end i7 or go amd.

>>60559668
New issues or still the VRMs?
I wouldn't the FTW because they deliberately left out thermal pads to save a few shekels.
I'm >>60559643
Didn't want to exclude them because that was resolved?
But they have been in damage control mode by upgrading dead cards for a while. I'm still not that familiar with them, but they seem to be popular despite their seemingly shitty cooling.
Looks maybe?

>>60559690
Still the VRM's

BTW, AMD GPU-wise, I prefer Asus ROG Strix versions.

>>60559338
Why not getting an R5 1600? The 7600k is inferior to it.

>>60559635
>>60559687
>>60559744
I assume those are the parts he already owns?
Note*
>$450 dollar gift card
>>60559338

>>60559769
$450 dollar gift card so he's forced to buy on best buy, but no he doen't own it yet. He put a "0" price because he's not buying them on the website pcpartpicker is showing.

>>60559769
He also said "I'm buying a lot of this wuth a $450 gift card from Best Buy"
which implies he hasn't bought anything yet

>>60558954
Just do it nigger. I wasted 1.5 of mine on a very similar build like yours and let me tell you the shit is amazing if you're used on cheaper parts.

Just get r5 over r4, its been out for quite a while now and they improved it over r4. And I would also get at least 3000 RAM in 2017.

Can I connect chassis fan with 3 pin connector to 4pin fan connector at motherboard?

>>60559907
Yes.

>>60559907
Yes, take note of the ridges on the connector and the mobo. It fits both 2/3/4 pin fans. The extra wires are for fan speed, and a temperature probe.

>>60559136
>allkeyshop
The fuck. You sure they're trustworthy?
I get a copypasta scam site feel from it.

>>60560933
Yes.
Why not anyway? It's 5$... You want to buy the same kind of key for $120?

>>60561110
Because they ask for steam login to get free gifts?
Didn't bother to click, but seems like phishing 101.

>>60561169
What? Are you retarded?

>>60561216
I've applied common sense 98 for a long time anon.

My Z270-E just arrived and the mobo looks kind of curved, is this normal? I noticed because the i/o area wasn't perfectly aligned and the tops were more together than straight apart.

Does Chieftec cases (specifically the XT-01B-350S8) come with HDD screws? The only case I've had used a screwless design, so I'm not used to this kinda stuff.

What 4 TB HDD should I buy?

Are MSI motherboards' RGB headers PWM capable?

>>60561234
They stopped supporting common sense 98 in the early 2000's. Update your software anon.

R1600+RX570 4GB or G4560+GTX1060 6GB?

graphics card: ASUS Radeon RX 460 2GB GDDR5 128bit DUAL OC - DUAL-RX460-O2G
power: LC-Power 600W LC600H-12 V2.31 12cm fan
hard drive: TOSHIBA 1TB 3.5",SATA III, 64MB, 7200rpm, P300 series - HDWD110UZSVA
memory: KINGSTON 4GB DDR3 HyperX FURY Black 1866MHz CL10 - HX318C10FB/4
processor: AMD FX-6350 6-Core 3.9GHz Black Edition Box
motherboard: ASRock MB - SOCKET AM3+ - 970 Pro3 R2.0

This is what I got when I told some guy to recommend me a PC build (Serbia).
He also told me to get an SSD but I deleted that shit since I think the money is better put elsewhere
No matter how I look at it this PC is shit, need any suggestion you have

>>60561700
R5 1600 + RX570 4GB

>>60561703
Yeah, FX CPUs are shit and very old, avoid that
Get a g4560 instead, performs great for a budget CPU and leaves some upgradeability path.
No idea about how much that PSU costs but 600w is unneeded.
Get a GTX 1050 instead of RX 460, it performs better and is about the same price.

>>60561700
no reaso nto get a 570 4GB when a 580 8GB is that same price right now

How hard am I fucking up right now? I don't really have that much need for power, I just play some old games like Quake now and then, but I don't want a too weak computer. What's more important is that I can have fairly large hard drives, I'm thinking about having 4 TB like in the list.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y8F6gL

>>60561726
>580 8G for $170
show me. Cheapest I see for them is like $220.

>>60561766
here. I have no idea what you would do that would need 32 GB of ram. Ryzen needs FAST ram, not a LOT of ram to run efficiently. With the money saved, I added a 250 GB SSD for a boot drive, and gave you a modular case. Want to add more drives? Just order the cage from Cooler Master's site.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C3csr7

I bought this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147260 when it was $27, I need 2 140mm fans to replace the front; what's the best value these days?

>>60561816
Yeah, reducing the RAM might be a good idea. I don't need a SSD though, they're just way too expensive considering I need quantity rather than speed, I don't care if it takes a little while longer to boot, SSDs are just not worth it for me right now. I've already selected another mATX case which wasn't available on PC part picker.
I would love to know if I fucked up with my HDD choice though.

>>60561862
speed, not quantity of ram matters to Ryzen. Hell, if you can afford faster, try this.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qGqbt6/gskill-memory-f43200c16d16gvgb

>>60561854
This is what I would get.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103220

>>60561921
The motherboard doesn't support such high speeds though. What I want to know right now is if there's a better hard drive choice for me, and if there might be a cheaper graphics card that could be suitable.

>>60561953
>The motherboard doesn't support such high speeds though.
it'll downclock the ram. just keep on top of the Bios updates from the motherboards website and you should eventually be able to get it to that speed.
There's already reports of bios updates enabling up to 3600 mhz ram.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZS2XHcQdqA

>>60561921
High static for positive pressure, that's just what I'm looking for, thanks.

>>60561953
It does/will support that memory speed, if not now, then when the next round of BIOS updates drop.

>>60552344
>generally all you need for 60fps with power to spare. No i5
>No i5
Something smells awfully shilly here

>>60562082
Anon, I'm Blue but i5 is a bad purchase right now.

>>60562082
The RYzen 5 series completely BTFO's the i5 line up at a similar price. It's a bad buy until Intel can properly respond, which honestly probably won't be until 2020 when they launch their new architecture. And by then, AMD will be on a new architecture as well. Unless Intel does something game changing in the next few months, nteam bluw is going to have their ass repeatedly handed to them the next few years.
You think AMD sat on their asses when the FX chips failed? Hell no. They spent 5 years developing Ryzen.

How is this build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tsBJD8
My friend wants something to play but his budget is limited. He doesn't want a cheap pc and a console which would be his best option. I wanted to make it easily upgradable.

>>60562090
Why would you say that? The i5 offers better single-threaded performance than the R5 1600X does at similar clock speeds. Not only that but it uses less power since it only has four cores to provide juice to. The multithreaded benefits of the 1600X is lost on most users at the moment, and the AM4 motherboards offer less options than the B250 chipset does.

TFW build when I get off work in 4 hours. Nervous as hell.

>>60562186
Would you be nervous about putting together a lego set? No! Nothing to it, you've got this.

>>60562176
>and the AM4 motherboards offer less options than the B250 chipset does.
>B350 can overclock while B250 can't

>>60562082
>not a new IP to the thread
Something seems awfully samefaggy here.

>>60562200
there isn't a chance that one of my legos is defective tho

>>60562228
People always post hardware fail sotries because they're entertaining, but DoAs are really pretty unusual in 2017, if you buy from good manufacturers.

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Is G4560 enough for moderate gaming?

>>60562176
B350 supports up to 2667MHz RAM easily and 3200MHz allegedly and can overclock.
What's B250 got? the possibility of spending more for thunderbolt and that worthless 3D X-Point shit?

>>60562175
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9sktyf
Changed the power supply to something cheaper but still good. Otherwise looks fine with great upgradeability

>>60562246
No, we just say it is for fun :D

>>60562246
Completely. You only need a crazy CPU if you want to run shit on ultra.

>>60562176
The R5 1600 offers two more fucking cores and has SMT for the same price, and it performs the same in game at much lower CPU usage (which also means less heat & power consumption)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

>>60562204
The B350 can't offer an M.2 port without sacrificing PCI-E lanes from the primary PCI-E slot. The B250 has it connected to the chipset, thus doesn't take lanes away from the GPU. The B350 is bandwidth starved and has to cannibalize what little PCI-E lanes it has left from the SoC.

Overclocking is overrated and not used by most consumers. The B350 has mediocre overclocking capabilities due to its lower quality power regulators and chokes. Combine that with Ryzen's low clock speed ceiling and you get a platform that offers similar GHz as a cheaper and more stable i5-7600+H110 motherboard, but with little performance increase to justify the skyrocketing power consumption scaling on Ryzen.
A very small number of B350 owners have been able to get their memory to work at 3200MHz, let alone any frequency over 2800MHz, so the overclocking point is moot.

>>60562264
Thanks, with the PSU change I'm not over the budget.

>>60562305
Stop shilling your Youtube channel.

>>60562322
It's from three different ones you fucking autist
Just get out of this general if you're here to sperg out

>>60562388
You post the same video links over and over again in every single thread. That is spamming and it is against the rules.

>>60562322
You've really run out of options Lee. Soon ThreadRipper will releases and you won't even be able to shill Xeons anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-BtquTKw78

>>60562309
sounds like someone doesn't know what they're talking about with power consumption

>>60562417
Clearly you don't know anything about power consumption. The i5-7500 uses less power from the socket than the Ryzen 5 1500X does.

>>60552691
Being this autistic

>>60562395
>You post the same video links over and over again in every single thread.
Yes, why do i fucking have to? Why to autists like come and say "woo i5 is bettur" when everyone on the thread disagrees?

>>60562477
>when everyone on the thread disagrees
Nice opinion. Shame nobody agrees with this.

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>>60562494
>Shame nobody agrees with this.

>>60562309
>The B350 can't offer an M.2 port without sacrificing PCI-E lanes from the primary PCI-E slot.
That's not even true.
Ryzen has 24 lanes in total and b350 can use all of them.
16 for graphics, 4 for primary m.2 and 4 for secondary m.2 or 2 SATA

New bread
>>60562537
>>60562537
>>60562537
Baked fresh and unspoiled.

>>60562494
you're the only one in like 5 threads to say such an idiocy

>>60559635
>>60559687
>>60559744
>>60559779
>>60559786
Unless I want to go through the logistics of trying to sell this gift card, I'm stuck with Intel since Best Buy only has AMD 7s right now and not 5s

>>60564227
Oh, that's pretty shit, go for it i guess
Could save money on the mobo though

>>60564227
fair enough. I can respect that.

>>60558954
what an awful overpriced build

>>60552918
Sounds a pretty good system but my main qualms are
>G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB
You could have saved a little had you not gone with this meme

>NZXT Kraken X52 (240mm) AIO CPU Water Cooling Unit
Would have gone for air cooling, either Noctua or something similar, but that's just personal preference.

there's an MSI GTX 1080 8gb for 600$ CAD at newegg (essentially the current price of an aftermarket 1070)

Is it worth picking up knowing I'll never pay for gsync or should I wait for a VEGA being hopefully even cheaper per performance and then get a 144hz 1440p freesync monitor in a year or two?

It's a really decent deal but I don't want to put my finger in the NVIDIA machine

>>60565569
If you're not interested in gsync then why get it? You can run 60fps on an rx 580, but if you're looking at 1440p 144hz in the future and don't want to get gsync then what's the point of the 1080 now? Just wait for a month or two and see if vega has comparable specs.

How important is the CPU in a 1440p 144hz gaming build? Is the r5 1600 ok or do i need a beefier i7 7700k?

>>60565836
see:
>>60565108

>>60565804
I'm getting burnt out on all that "Wait for VEGA™"

>>60565836
You'd need a beefier 7700k to ensures getting around 144hz consistently.
But R5 1600 OC'd & with high frequency RAM comes pretty close.

>>60566258
I totally understand but we should be just 1 month away from knowing how it actually performs

>>60566347
>>60566347
>>60566347

>>60566358
Computex is in 4 days so we'll get more informations there

>>60552344
What complete fucking moron decided to draw hats on those computer cases? The joke is obvious without them.

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>>60552344

My AMD 7800 died, what fine replacement do you think is the best? i5 3.40 CPU, 8 Mem, and Asus motherboard. Thank you in advance.