/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

Lol, just found this on Reddit, got a good chuckle

>I'm 15 years old, installed Gentoo, when I was 12 (I remember being too young to join the forums) and stayed, because it was awesome. Binary distros was hard to manage, and updates were slow. Gentoo just worked. I use it for desktop, hardest part is resolving the conflicts, otherwise it is really easy to maintain, even if you use patches or want the latest version of some packages. I like, that I can filter licenses in the make.conf, so it is not going to install proprietary software, without my awareness.

>I'm in secondary school right now. I like to hack on python code. I'm a christian.

Pay toilets are nasty, and ought to be illegal. Those of us who are not poor can afford the price, if we accept the practice; poor people can't. To deny people access to a toilet when they need one is nasty and degrading.

I have concluded that the least we can do, to eliminate pay toilets, is to avoid giving them money. Instead of paying them, I go to great lengths to find some other toilet.

Please join me in rejecting pay toilets firmly.

I asked in the previous thread and it got derailed by toilets.

I'm trying to install Ubuntu 17.04 on a thinkpad t470 and on the livecd it says I'm connected to wifi, but I have no internet. I plugged in the ethernet cord and it just loads forever, no connection. I'm the same guy who tried to install debian and got nowhere. I don't really know what to do and I'm pissed. Wat do?

Copy pasting in this thread because there's two now.

>>60458905
sorry friend, this is /fgtt/ - Friendly GNU/Toilet Thread.

>>60458905
That is very odd. Usually Ubuntu is good about wifi and networking stuff. I'm not sure what the problem is

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>>60458905
>>60458920

>>60458889
I only saw a pay toilet once, and it was in mexico.
This is a 3rd world thing right?

>>60458925
So what should I do? I tried Xubuntu and Kubuntu. Neither worked. I just want to get rid of fucking Windows 10.

>>60458936
No, I remember seeing them in England one time. This was a long time ago though, not sure how prevalent they are now.

>>60458937
Are you in the liveCD now? Try running:

ifconfig -a

This lists the network cards. What does it say

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What are some free public toilets?

>>60458973
This image is very triggering, I'll ask kindly for it to be deleted.

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>>60458963
No, Im in windows now, do you just want to know what network card I have? I took this screenshot earlier.

>>60458989
I'm just curious as to whether the device is working. Read this article: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Iwlwifi#ifconfig_command

>night in the city
>out with friends
>need to take a shit
>the botnet wants me to shit my pants

>>60459004
It's your fault for having a bad diet and not taking care of business before going out with friends.

>>60458973
wait, there are toilets you can pay with card?

>>60459023
Yes, unfortunately.... Very sad.

>>60458989
> I have a thinkpad t470.
>The whole reason I got this laptop was to get more experience with Linux

You done fucked up nigga. You should have gotten the T420

>>60459023
>meanwhile at the nsa
>"yout got mail!"
>"anon took a shit at street 42"

>>60459047
Thats the point why RMS asks you to pay cash whenever you can.

>>60458798
I fell for the minimal install meme and my laptop can't detect wlan0 or eth0, how do I get them working? They were working fine during the setup but in tty they're not detected
Same situation as the guy with a T470 but I have a T500

>>60459001
Just tried it, won't let me run ifconfig as it is not installed.

>>60459077
What about the other commands, like iw

>>60459077
ip a

>>60459071
What is the output of the

modinfo iwlwifi

>>60459071
Use Ubuntu 16.04 LTS 64-bit instead.
https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201702-25371/

>>60459088
>>60459094
What other specific command should I run?

>>60458973
fortune | toilet --gay

>>60459123
apt-get moo

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hehe free toilet foundation

>>60458989
Just inastall linuxmint
<it just works and isnt gchq botnet

>>60458936
seen a few in LA, but it is 3rd world here so it adds up. Thinking it's just so junkies don't shoot up in there and for bums to shit on the street instead.

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>>60459114
phone posting a picture of the screen because I have no idea how else to get the log onto my desktop, hope it's readable.

Hey /fglt/, sorry to bother, I was in the process of installing xubuntu and got 2 errors on the filecheck, should I format the pendrive and start again from step one using the universal usb installer?

>>60459245
fuck off

>>60459245
without compiling from source which distro has the most packages available?

>>60459245
When will this systemd a botnet autism end? Why so many retards fall for it? It's beyond my understanding.

>>60459353
Does gentoo hybrid installation already come with config for wireless?
I'm on a i7 gen 2.

>>60459353
It's cool to be against systemd and it makes you look intelligent.

>>60459245

Someone has proof about the systemd NSA botnet or wathever? never was clear what is the fucking deal with systemd

>>60459390
>>60459353
>>60459245
could guys please explain, with newbe friendly words, what's wrong with systend?

>>60459280
>>60459280
if you take ppas into consideration then probably the buntu family

>>60459419
i mean from the systemd-less distros

>>60459404
Systemd is free software. Some people think because it's a large program, it makes a large attack surface, combined with NSA paranoia (Red Hat and the NSA have been working together in the past), tinfoilhats are shitting theit pants for no reason.
Source if available, everyone call read it and complain (and people do so).

>>60459404
check yourself: https://github.com/systemd/systemd

>>60459429
ok, but why discount installing from source, or mkpkg files? once you have the tools installed it's no big deal to do, you can even integrate it into your gui package manager

Aren't binary distros complete waste when it comes to security? I mean, you literally get some unknown binary compiled from literally who.

>>60459455
that's not how free software works
you can track back everything and have checksums with your package manager

>>60459455
Aren't source based distros a complete waste when it comes to security? I mean, who has the fucking time to read through all that source code

WTF
IM AN OPENRC MISSLE NOW!

>>60459455
Aren't personal computers a complete waste when it comes to security? I mean, you literally save important data to a large attack surface and connect it to the internet.

>>60459502
computers were a mistake

we fought thousands of years for basic civilisation and now we're back at the beginning, digital life is ruled by the botnet

>>60459510
>we fought
No I didn't.

>>60459510
>proprietary software was a mistake
FTFY

>>60459431
basically this
it isn't even a large program. compared to runit, it's pretty large (about 15 times as many lines of code), but it really isn't very big (300K lines for the entire suite, including udev as of a few years ago). Meanwhile, the kernel and firefox+chromium are both nearing 20 million, Xorg has millions. If you actually care about bloat and want to avoid overcomplicated, insecure software, you should be using tty or wayland instead of X.

I don't understand why all the dick measuring though, I suppose everyone aim for mostly the same thing here, security, maybe work with code or whatever... and browse.

>complains about systemd being botnet
>runs nonfree firmware
/topic

>>60459524
I'm on Arch Linux.

bad thread

>>60459551
Is Tails bad?
I'm trying to search for an OS, have been a windowsfag all my life, wanted to start working at it.

>>60459564
install ubunut

>>60459572
Will do.

>>60459585
perfect

>>60459564
tails isn't meant to be installed and I don't consider it viable for a daily driver as a liveusb

>>60459600
what is the best viable daily driver?

>>60459561
bad post

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>>60459607
Source Mage GNU/Linux

>>60459607
for most folks it's the bunt with it's wide array of available up to date software, the ability to add ppas easily, and relative stability
personally I prefer a rolling release model like arch. it's more work to do the initial setup and you have to pay attention to things when updating but with aur virtually everything that can run on linux is available and relatively current

>>60459641
GNU/Linux*

How is it possible for a kernel written in C to work?

I mean how do you even declare an int without entering an infinite syscall loop?

>>60459659
stop trying to co-opt torvalds work and go contribute to hurd

>>60459671
no, linux is only 10% c code, most of it it nodejs

>>60459607

>daily driver
Kill yourself to rid the world of buzzphrases and this thread of stupid people proud of their ignorance.

>>60459635
The new Arch Linux

>>60459689
Friendly thread.

>>60459685
kek

>>60459689
>buzzword
it's a concise description shitstain

>>60459659

>2 minutes to reply

You could have spent the time learning how to program and to write a simple utility which would post it automatically. Instead you chose to bikeshed about something trivial in order to feel smart.

>>60459674
>torvalds work
>activly destroying free software by shilling nonfree software
>contributed like 2% of linux
good work linus!

>>60459706
why not just call it an OS though? can't get much more concise than two letters

>>60459689
OK, so what would call it instead

>>60459706

No, it's not. Every distribution can be a "daily driver" idiot, since it's completely subjective. Therefore it's not a "concise description".
People who use that phrase blatantly signal that they don't intend to use any distribution, that they're only in it to write a few words in their terminal emulator once in a while when they boot from their Windows computer into their Linux distribution.

>>60459709
It isn't trivial.

>>60459728

I call it a Linux distribution. Everything you install on your computer is a "daily driver". Of course that implies that you're a normal person and not someone who does this >>60459730.

>>60459730
>People who use that phrase blatantly signal that they don't intend to use any distribution, that they're only in it to write a few words in their terminal emulator once in a while when they boot from their Windows computer into their Linux distribution.
Uh no, I think they're signalling that they're going to use it as their daily driver.

>>60459723
because to go your way it would be necessary to not just say os but os for daily use
>>60459730
>if you're not 1337 then you're not really using linux
ok friend

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>>60459730
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>60459685
>the year is 2024
>JS has taken over as the dominant language
>bootloaders and device firmwares are written with electron
>the final steps of refactoring the kernel into node are almost done
>systemd has been rewritten in angular

>>60459749
You may like this: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death-of-javascript

How do i kno skd in o

>>60459790
install gentoo

>>60459746

>if you're not 1337 then you're not really using linux
If that's what you got out of that, then you should go back to elementary school to get some sort of reading comprehension.

>>60459800
>only in it to write a few words in a terminal emulator
that implies that anyone who doesn't heavily use the terminal isn't really using linux, if that's not what you meant to say then work on expressing yourself better, if it is then my comprehension is spot on

>>60459828
Linux is the name of the kernel that Linus Torvalds developed starting in 1991. The operating system in which Linux is used is basically GNU with Linux added. To call the whole system “Linux” is both unfair and confusing. Please call the complete system GNU/Linux, both to give the GNU Project credit and to distinguish the whole system from the kernel alone.

i want to reinstall debian except the first time i did it killed the ethernet and onboard wifi drivers, so my question if theres some way to use windows drivers or use drivers from another distro like fedora to install it

>>60459837
firstly, it would be linux/gnu not the other way around
secondly shit gets shortened all the time, deal with it

>>60459837
thank dr stalman

>>60459592
>>60459600
Back, tried to install Xubuntu, during the install it simply didn't connect to the wireless for some reason so I cancelled it.
Wireless card is a centrino wireless-N 100.

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>>60459850
It is right and proper to mention the principal contribution first. The GNU contribution to the system is not only bigger than Linux and prior to Linux, we actually started the whole activity.

However, if you prefer to call the system “Linux/GNU”, that is a lot better than what people usually do, which is to omit GNU entirely and make it seem that the whole system is Linux.

>>60459861
>and make it seem that the whole system is Linux.
But the people that refer to GNU/Linux as just Linux do not think this. In certain contexts it is OK to use Linux or GNU/Linux. For example in this thread I will say GNU/Linux or else I bait the copypasta guy, in a social setting IRL I will use Linux, because otherwise the person I'm talking to has no idea what I'm talking about when I say "GNU/Linux"

>>60459861
dude get over it, it's like when people say america instead of the united states of america, and mean the same thing. that's how pedantic you're being, it's like constantly correcting anyone who says just america

>>60459873
>because otherwise the person I'm talking to has no idea what I'm talking about when I say "GNU/Linux"
a problem you should fix by calling the system by its proper name

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>>60459873
>>60459881
Although the developers of Linux, the kernel, are contributing to the free software community, many of them do not care about freedom. People who think the whole system is Linux tend to get confused and assign to those developers a role in the history of our community which they did not actually play. Then they give inordinate weight to those developers' views.

Calling the system GNU/Linux recognizes the role that our idealism played in building our community, and helps the public recognize the practical importance of these ideals.

>>60459889
But even so, then I have to off on a tangent and explain what GNU is, and explain what Linux actually is. It's a waste of time honestly and, most likely the person I'm casually talking to isn't interested.

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>>60459909
If your words don't reflect your knowledge, you don't teach others. Most people who have heard of the GNU/Linux system think it is “Linux”, that it was started by Linus Torvalds, and that it was intended to be “open source”. If you don't tell them, who will?

What is the portage make.conf flag to get rid of all the compilation output

>>60459991
install gentoo

how do I load a module with certain parameters at boot every time? Using systemd-boot if it matters, I wanted to try a few powersaving tweaks for i915.

>>60459986
You aren't really getting what I'm saying. I don't WANT to teach others, because I really don't care, and neither do they. That's the point.

If someone asks me "Who created Linux", I'll say Richard Stallman. IDGAF!

>>60459986
hopefully no one, they don't care, won't hear you and won't remember what you said

>>60460011
kek

>>60460001
I am

>>60459986
Don't mind them, I will.

>>60459991
>man emerge
>--quiet-build [ y | n ]

EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--foo --quiet-build y"

what is the best music player for daily use?

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Since Wanna Cry can run flawlessly in Wine, how do you protect yourself from it?

>>60460041
Thank you, what does '--foo' do

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>>60460053
get out of my thread you lil shitter

>>60460053
by not exposing any important drives / folders to the wine environment

https://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/config-wine-main

section 4.1.4

>>60460053
By not installing WINE

>>60460053
>using wine

>>60460057
nothing

foo, bar, baz are usually just words usually used in programming to annotate some arbtirary content

--foo was supposed to reflect your existing options but that wasn't very clear

just add "--quiet-build y" and you'll be fine

>>60460053
By staying away from the windows botnet like you were supposed to in the first place.

Or use FreeBSD.

>>60460091
Oh I see, thanks!

Can someone link me the most interesting/funniest thing on RMS's website

>>60460076
Neat.
I just need to remove the link to z: drive since it's lead to the root file.

>>60460115
I have a slight chuckle
http://www.stallman.org/archives/2007-sep-dec.html#16%20December%202007%20%28Penguins%29

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>>60460134

if I put "options module_name parameter=1" in /etc/modprobe.d/modulename.conf, will it automatically load with those parameters on boot??

>>60460149
yes

>>60460149
you can also reload your module and the options will work without reboot

just remove the module and re-instert it

modprobe -r module
modprobe module

I'm trying to install Kubuntu GNU/Linux now.

>>60460134
haha that's good

>>60460180
have fun

>>60460180
Trying? Little to no effort is required though, lol. You want a real challenge, Install Arch/GNU+Linux.

>>60460192
>arch
>challenge

try gentoo

>>60460195
>gentoo
>not lfs
are you even trying

>>60460190
Thanks.
>>60460192
It's the first time I'm getting out of windows, I had problems to make the wireless work on Xubuntu GNU/Linux.
So I'll try another one, if I can't manage it, I'll go for Mint GNU/Linux.

>>60460201
xubuntu is easy, it will work
if you get screen tearing, install compton
that's the only flaw I could think of
installation should just be "click next, next, next"

>>60460214
It's just that I tried and I couldn't manage to connect it to the modem here, this is why I'm trying another one.
I'm afraid to continue the instalation offline and afterwarnds not being able to make it work somehow.
If it happens I won't be able to browse since I don't have another computer here, I'm not at home.

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How do you cross compile?
I have a RPi that I want to install a certain package that's not in the repo.

>what is the best
What is the best
>what is the best
frontend for mpv? I like to play with controls and all sorts of settings while playing movies, so a gui would be nice.

>>60460230
Who is she?

>>60460244
>she

>>60460244
Frustrated

>>60460231
THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST

>>60460244
Idk but I'm on Arch.

>>60460282
Nice! Me too! *bro fist*

I'm going the lasetjet route.
What's a reasonably decent printer/all-in-one to buy and works well with GNU/Linux?
Should I invest in one with WiFi?

I am a no nonsense kind of guy, what is the best distro for me?

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I want to literally erase all my files and get a GNU/Linux OS running.
But most of them don't run the option to erase all files and get another one running in it's place.
>pic related, me atm

>>60460413
LFS

I wonder if that T470 windows 10 guy has given up yet. lol

>>60460444
>But most of them don't run the option to erase all files and get another one running in it's place.
All of them do that.

>>60460460
Trying Mint GNU/Linux now, already tried Ubuntu GNU/Linux and I couldn't make the wireless work.

>>60460477
And is it working in Mint?

>>60460477
>wireless work
Boot live session and run lsusb or lspci to know the wireless card name and then download the drivers.
Mint have a hardware tool that lets you use propriety drivers.

>>60460512
It's Centrino Wireless- N 100.
I'll search for a GNU/Linux install.

>>60460529
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-iwlwifi_0.43_all.deb

>>60460554
Gonna try again.

How can I into good font rendering on arch? I installed fontconfig-infinality from the AUR. (Apparently it's abandoned, yet it got updated recently). Is this the best, simplest solution? Ideally I want to emulate MacOS fonts because they look much better than windows in my opinion. I also use gnome, and gnome-tweak-tool has a few font settings.

How bad are nvidia drivers for linux?
Would I get stable ubuntu system with nvidia GPU?

I recently have built a PC, unfortunately in my country no one fucking sells AMD GPUs anymore (or all were bought out when ryzen came out). So I had to buy 1050ti for now...
And I'm on windows for now... (stolen, of course)
I want to get rid of this stupid OS.
Should I with nvidia GPU?
Or should I wait till I get AMD GPU?

>>60460887
nvidia drivers are proprietary/closed source which is annoying, but they work decently. Maybe a little worse than AMDGPU/Mesa drivers, but they aren't terribly buggy. Nouveau (open source nvidia driver) is unusably bad and has basically nonexistant 3d performance so don't use it. It's easy to install them on ubuntu.

>>60460976
Alright, thanks, would have tried Nouveau first, most likely.
Will go for linux then.
Bye you cancerous windows!

>>60461048
enjoy your time with GNU/Linux, I hope you keep using it. Windows sucks.

How long is the screen supposed to stay blue once you finished installing Xubuntu GNU/Linux if you selected the overwrite option?
Not sure if I should reset it.

does void linux have scala? It doesn't seem to be packaged at all.

>>60461728
A better question would be "Why would you want scala?"

>>60459411
Nothing. It's harder to figure out as it doesn't follow the minimalist design philosophy. People are simply too lazy to learn it and throw a shitfit.

>>60460053
>flawlessly
No.

>how do you protect yourself from it?
Literally don't run the binary. Done.

>>60459411
SystemD
+500K lines of code. Easy to hide botnet code
vs
Runit
+1200 lines of code. Not so easy

Can I send myself a file through email from the terminal?

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>>60458852
What is the best font to use on a 24" 1080p display that doesn't give a migraine? I followed the advice of this site: http://www.binarytides.com/optimize-fonts-linux-mint/

Except I have the font 10 or 11 sizedm with text scaling factor at 1.1

It still gives me bit of a migrane desu.

>>60461798
Linux kernel:
+15 million lines of code
Easy to hide botnet.
Firefox+Chromium
+15 million lines of code
Easy to hide botnet.
Hope you aren't using either of those anon, given that they are 30 times harder to audit.
Not to mention Xorg-server is horribly insecure and bloated, even more than the kernel and browsers, but it's probably about up to a million.

Installed Xubuntu GNU/Linux at a notebook, I might have messed up something, installed using a USB, now it open, I can type the keys to start it up, and then nothing shows up on the desktop, neither the bar on the upper corner.
Christ, I`m dumb.

>>60461874
That's true, but the other problem is that many things depend on the "monolithic" SystemD.

>>60461887
> I can type the keys to start it up
What does that mean? Explain. Are you trying to say that you're able to log in?

> nothing shows up on the desktop, neither the bar on the upper corner
So you do have a DE, but it doesn't look like you'd expect it to? What DE are you using?

>>60461913
Exactly.
Things like gnome depend on systemd, which is why the latest version of gnome (3.24) works on distros without systemd, like Void and Gentoo. Logind depends on systemd, and elogind works on both those distros as well. Udev is integrated into systemd now, yet udev/eudev works fine on every non systemd distros.

>>60461795
>No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TErrIvyj_lU
>don't run the binary
What if it was embedded into a different binary?

>>60461951
I`m able to log in, but afterwards it`s stuck, I can`t alt+f2 neither move the scroll using the notebook sensor.
>So you have a DE
I installed it regularly, it`s just that it`s the first time using it and I don`t know exactly what to do.
I`m able to use it regularly if I use the pendrive to boot it and test.
>Sorry for being that dumb, I`ve never used GNU/Linux

>>60461874
rekt

I would actually use void if my freaking wifi adapter worked

>>60462018
??
Most WiFi adapters are supported by the linux-firmware blob package, which void includes. It has the same amount of driver support as any other distro. In the case of a driver only available as .deb or something, it's still easy to extract the deb and install the files yourself.

Is there some piss-easy way to switch between several window managers/DEs? I wanna try out i3 and/or awesomewm but I'd still like to keep my riced xfce available.

>>60461992
I'm not going to insult you as this is a friendly thread, but could you please TRY to understand what wanna cry attempts to do? Do you understand what happens in that video? Did you even watch it?

>>60461999
Apparently you should end up with xfce if you go with the default. Maybe this might help you?
http://xfce.org/about

>>60462099
Doesn't seem to work unlike ubuntu or Antergos

>>60461999
>neither move the scroll using the notebook sensor
The touchpad. Remember that touchpads can be disabled with a key combination - make sure that it isn't simply disabled.

As for the rest, I'm not completely sure what you mean. Do you mean that the "bar" that should be in the upper edge of the screen, with icons, menus and shit (the panel), is simply not there?

A screenshot or picture would help.

>>60462137
Yes.
But you seem to misunderstand my question.
Wanna cry use SMB 1 exploit that doesn't exist in GNU/Linux since it uses SAMBA, but the binary of it runs under WINE without issues and encrypt your files and not just the stuff in the wineprefix.
Yes, you need to run it yourself for it to happen but what if similar malware based on it?

>>60462193
I think I know where I fucked up, I didn`t separated the drivers for each portion of what it needs to run, I should begin anew and separate it properly, I only managed to get the root and home, I think that might be the problem.
I ran it as default.
The picture would only show you the background, nothing else.
>>60462137
Maybe you`re right and I should download something more easier, like I`ve said, never in my life I`ve touched a GNU/Linux.

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>>60462256
> but the binary of it runs under WINE without issues and encrypt your files and not just the stuff in the wineprefix
You insinuate that you tried it yourself. Did you actually do that?

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>>60462399
haha that's totally not the picture I was going for.

>>60462353
>I only managed to get the root and home, I think that might be the problem.
That isn't the problem. Making separate partitions is good for several reasons but not a requirement. The default installation should work.

I agree that you should reinstall, though. Something's fucked up with your xfce configuration - since it's a fresh install, you're better off reinstalling than tracking down the problem.

>>60462399
Yes.
It encrypted everything inside AND outside the wineprefix.

>>60462462
Can you please add it to the winehq database?

>>60462492
As platinum?

>>60462546
I'm not familiar with how the ratings go, but I guess so. Does all the functionality work? Like, even infecting other hosts? I suppose it does, so yes, give it the highest rating.

>>60462588
>Like, even infecting other hosts? I suppose it does, so yes, give it the highest rating.
It cannot do that.

>>60462588
>infecting other hosts
No, it can't because GNU/Linux doesn't use SMB.
I'm concerned because wine grant access to the root files.

>>60462685
Even if WINE does access root files, how does it get escalated privilege?
Wanna Cry can encrypt your data but the OS won't get encrypted.

>>60462626
>>60462685
Well, that sucks. I figured it might have a simple SMB client built in just to exploit the vulnerability. But maybe that doesn't detract any points if wine isn't supposed to handle SMB.

>>60460180
Why Kubuntu?
Why not KDE Neon?

I need a good, stable Linux distro for my HP laptop (A10 9600p, R7m 440)
Any recommendations?

>>60461992
>>60462546
>>60462588
>>60462735
My no still stands. Half of wanna cry's functionality does not work in wine. It cannot be called 'flawlessly' and it should not get a platinum rating. It should be silver. Gold if we're very generous, but I disagree with that. Check the definitions.

>Silver
>Application works excellently for ‘normal’ use; a game works fine in single-player but not in multi-player, Windows Media Player works fine as a plug-in and stand-alone player, but cannot handle DRM etc.

>Gold
>Application works flawlessly with some DLL overrides, other settings or third party software.

Wanna cry is clearly single player only.

>>60462892
Wine wasn't meant to run SMB, it clearly platinum or gold

When people say Linux, they mean GNU. They don't even mean GNU/Linux, they just mean GNU. You could have GNU/something else and people would still call it Linux. Both Stallman and Torvalds should be offended about this: Stallman that people are calling his project Linux, and Torvalds that these same people don't even know or care the software actually called Linux exists.

>>60461874
neither of these is runing as pid1 and you are not "forced" to use them
try again

>>60463035
If you aren't using the bloated and monolithic linux kernel, which runs at a level lower than PID 1, you probably shouldn't be posting in a thread about GNU+Linux. You are forced to use the kernel, Linux, or you wouldn't be using a gnu/linux system. You aren't forced to use systemd- you can easily have gnu+linux without it and you will literally always be able to.

>>60462969
it's the name
linux sounds hard and pro
gnu sounds funny which was somewhat his intention

If someone is to learn what you guys know where would he start?
I don`t mean shortcuts in any sense, something that wouldn`t need a college meme or something of the sort, I mean bibliography and so forth?
It seems really interesting, specially after all the surveillance, penetration testing and the creation of software/coding in general.

>>60463057
>easily

On the topic of naming, thank fuck torvalds got talked in to calling the kernel Linux instead of FreaX, because it would have had 0 users with a name that retarded.

>>60463116
what's hard about PCLinuxOS, Slackware, and Devuan?

>>60463107
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page

>>60463131
>>60463149
Thank you very much.

>>60462756
Depends on what you want, if you're fine with an LTS release, and want new KDE hotness then Neon is good.
If you want latest Ubuntu release, and can put up with a slightly older version of KDE then Kubuntu is good.

>>60462892
>Wanna cry is clearly single player only.
This is outrageous. In 2017 no less, if I want to hand over control of my files to some East-European miscreant, and impose the same situation on a whole network of computers, I have to give up my freedom and use proprietary malware and a whole proprietary OS.

What about reactos? Please tell me it runs under reactos.

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>tfw your hardware ships with the GNU GPL

Today, I will try out GNU+Linux.
I'm about to make a debian bootstick.
Wish me luck

>>60463521
That's not super-uncommon when buying consumer routers.

>>60459445
slow cpu

>>60463615

That's good to hear. Feels good to know that the GPL is so big and enforceable that companies actually care about doing that.

>>60460134
Has anyone ever asked him if pictures of frogs make him more or less angry than pictures of penguins?

>>60462949
Then it's gold. Meant or not, it needs additional software to provide the full network infection experience.

>>60463971
It's platinum.
It needs the SMB 1 to spread not to work.

>finally managed to get the PC to take the USB in
>It fails to load
>Change USB port
>It loads up the boot menu
I'm feel like an illiterate grandma, but damn, it feels good to make progress.

>>60464102
Good luck

>>60463258
Why not using OpenSUSE Tumbleweed and have both?

>>60464115
Firefox is acting weirdly.
Otherwise it looks good.

>>60464268
It is acting weirdly indeed.
It only loads text, and refuses to grant me access to the mozzilla store or GitHub.
What do?

>>60464466
Try reinstalling it

>>60464527
Haven't installed it yet.
It's in live mode.

>>60464466
Is your date/time set properly?

>>60464634
Checked it and it seems to be fixed now.
Thanks!
Now it's time to get comfy with it, install the stuff I need and turn the toaster into a colony like secondary system.

>>60464680
Enjoy your GNU system :-)

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Now this podracing

USE flags are pure, absolute, unquestionable kino

>>60464855
Uh what's the problem

>>60464855
Nice, now you should familiarize yourself with the Linux system, how it is structured, the bash command line, etc.

>>60464875
There is no problem
I'm just happy that this thing finally works.
Time to wipe out windows. The system only had a shitty Vista anyways.

>>60464856
How hard is it to actually install Gentoo? It looks pretty intimidating but so fucking comfy at the same time.

>>60464951
It's debian.

>>60464951
>How hard is it to actually install Gentoo?
The Gentoo Handbook holds your hand pretty much the entire time. However, that is only installing a base system, you have to setup a Desktop environment, networking, video drivers, etc. yourself. All this can be found on the Gentoo wiki though.

>>60464995
Thanks, I guess I'll try to install it in a VM this summer to get comfortable before putting it on bare metal.

>>60465061
Sounds good, but be aware, gentoo doesn't play well with VM's out of the box. Do not be discouraged if something doesn't work.

>>60465079
What kind of issues can I run into when setting up a Gentoo VM?

Is it safe to mix apt-get with just apt?

>>60462113
you can install multiple window managers
just install for exmple i3 and select it from your login screen (it should get a new entry)

>>60461874
>Using X when Wayland exists

>>60465139
yes, just dont mix apt and aptitude, stick to one

>>60461913

Many things depend on the Linux kernel. Stop using the Linux kernel.

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>>60465247
The expression “the Linux kernel” can easily be misunderstood as meaning “the kernel of Linux” and implying that Linux must be more than a kernel. You can avoid the possibility of this misunderstanding by saying or writing “the kernel, Linux” or “Linux, the kernel”.

>>60465264
kek

are gaymes playable in wine with free drivers?

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Is there a way to script vim so it acts like, for example sed in a pipe?

cmd | vim | more cmd

Is systemctl something like service on ubuntu but for archlinux?

>>60462892
>>Gold
>>Application works flawlessly with some DLL overrides, other settings or third party software.

surely there is some implementation of worm-like behavior with arbitrary malicious code out there

How am I supposed to Install MPV on Debian?
It has requirements and those requirements have requirements too.
Never though computing can be this hard.

>>60465354
I believe AMD free drivers are better than Nvidia. As far as wine, check the winehq appdb for compatibility notes.

>>60465264
Based Stallmanposter

>>60465398
Welcome to dependency hell, I am Debian, your guide.

>>60465362
I'm pretty sure you're talking about having vim run non-interactively according to some script and I have no clue how to do that, but you might be interested in vipe from moreutils as a different approach:

SYNOPSIS
       command1 | vipe | command2

DESCRIPTION
       vipe allows you to run your editor in the middle of a unix pipeline and
       edit the data that is being piped between programs. Your editor will
       have the full data being piped from command1 loaded into it, and when
       you close it, that data will be piped into command2.

>>60465423
So the only way is to get the dependencies?
Where from?
One by one?

>>60465432
>non-interactively
Yes, that's what I want. Don't want actually open vim, just make it do some actions on the file.

>>60465433
Are you on Jessie?

>>60465458
http://blog.robertelder.org/use-vim-inside-a-unix-pipe-like-sed-or-awk/

Linux is the best Operating System in the WORLD!! I love Linux :D

>>60465433
What are you doing to even make it look hard? Manually install a .deb file with dpkg -i or something? Just tell your package manager of choice to install mpv and it will pull all dependencies. That is the whole point of Debian.

E.g.

sudo apt install mpv

>>60465488
Nice.

>>60465371

Look up what systemd is.

>>60465505
I am a fucking retard so please excuse me.

>>60465371
man systemctl
literally the first line

>>60465185
>login screen
Until I get lightDM working, my login screen is "startx".
I'm guessing I just change the X config then? I remember setting something up there to make it start xfce, I should be able to find that and change it. Presumably there's also a way to pass a config file when starting X so I can choose which one to use at will.

Am I on the right track?

>>60465799
Yes, you should change your ~/.xinitrc file

>>60465850
Thanks man.

On a related note, is there an easy way to change the WM on the fly or would I have to restart X every time?

>>60465799
Some DEs also provide a wrapper script, like startxfce4, as a more convenient way to launch a certain DE than editing your X config. Be sure to check the package's list of installed files for such scripts.

>>60465879
I think you have to restart X each time, I could be wrong though.

>>60465125
Anyone?

>>60465933
Kek

C:~\Documents\stuff> cat ~/.xinitrc 
setxkbmap gb 
exec startxfce4

Alright time to fall for the tiling meme, thanks for the tips lads.

>>60458852
Ttest

>>60465977
If you plan on using a graphical environment, problems can arrise. Read this: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/VirtualBox

So, if I want to keep the Debian system, I just click the install button and it nukes Windows automatically?

>>60466002
>C:

>>60466102
How much do you know about partitions?

If you're aware of what they are: the installer will give you options to e.g. shrink the windows partition, then create a new one (or several) in the empty space where you'd be able to install Debian. Or, if you want to nuke windows, you can just install it to the windows partition - you'll probably need to re-format it to ext4 or whatever.

If you don't know about partitions: it's good to know, look it up a bit.

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>>60466194

>>60466250
:D

>>60466250
post PS1

>>60466250
neat

>>60466283

function msdos_pwd
{
    local dir=$(pwd)
    dir=${dir/$HOME/'~'}

    echo $dir | tr '/' '\\'
}

export PS1="C:\$(msdos_pwd)> "

Comes with the chicago95 theme (which is what I used for everything else as well).

>>60466213
They are like separate HDDs but software instead of hardware. right?
I would still go with nuking a soon 8 year old Vista than keeping it.

>>60466250
You should put some more work into that taskbar. The padding and margins are all wrong. It screams shitty GNU+Linux.

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>>60466250
good rice

>>60466329
Essentially yes, at a high level.

It can help to install your system on different partitions - e.g. have a separate for /home (this will allow you to reinstall the OS without touching your files), and also separate /boot and / - this allows you to encrypt the entire OS as well (on /) without touching /boot (because booting from an encrypted /boot is a whole other can of worms).

All of that is optional, of course - you can just throw everything into one partition if you want.

>>60466395
A single partition sounds more convenient.
I already have a windows system, so I don't need it for office, and all the stuff you just wrote barely makes sense to me.
Makes some sense, but not complete sense.

>>60466339
I'm basically using the default bar that came with the theme. Anything in particular other than the padding needs tweaking?
As you can see by e.g. the workspace manager, I'm not going for a 100% faithful recreation, but if I get the time and motivation I'll touch it up later.

>>60466430
In simpler terms: using a separate /home allows you to completely separate the OS and files. Since the filesystem is basically standard on *nix systems, you could even install a completely different distro, and all your files would be completely untouched.
Recent versions of windows try to keep your files when you upgrade, but they basically look at the folders and e.g. copy over your Documents folder, stuff like that. Because it's all on the same disk, stuff can stil go wrong. Using different partitions completely decouples the two.

The rest doesn't matter too much - in fact it probably doesn't matter at all if you aren't going for full disk encryption.

Anyway you can always change all that later.

>>60466432
I don't have numbers, but I wouldn't doubt that we are probably talking single digit pixels that really tighten it up on Windows. The start menu button also needs to be more centered. Its placement looks skewed which is the largest thing that sticks out.

>>60466501
Too complicated.
I will nuke it.

>>60466709
Oh yeah definitely nuke windows. But that doesn't mean you can't use a couple different partitions for your debian.

If you really don't feel like getting into that, by all means, don't. Your system will be perfectly usable. But I'll just say that the installer is pretty helpful - it's not some dark magic wizardry, you just need a general idea of what you want to do.

If it's your first *nix install, though, I won't blame you for just skipping all that.

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ok listen here:
>have 5 machines with arch
>it just werks
>make a headless server
>coredumps, segfaults and illegal hardware instructions everywhere
>pacstrapping/reinstalling all packages fixes it
>memtest86+ all the ram, OK
>SMART is OK, check the whole disk with software, OK
>cycle of coredumps begins anew
What the hell is happening to me?

>>60466846
Install ubuntu

>>60466846
So basically the problem you describe is that it works on live but not when you finish the installation? Is that what you're trying to say?

Please be a bit more specific. What hardware is failing? Maybe you missed a crucial step you usually don't think about since you're used to install arch systems?

>>60467085
It's already installed, it works.
Usually after a reboot a random application will behave eratically or fail to load a library. No "obvious" hardware is failing at all.

>>60467115
well, that's pretty spooky

>>60467174
E.g last reboot mpd started taking 100% CPU on one core and stayed unresponsive, slowed down ssh significantly until I killed the process. I tried reinstalling mpd but pacman got an illegal hardware instruction. Then I just ran:

#! /bin/sh
for pkg in $(pacman -Q | cut -d' ' -f1); do
    pacman -S --noconfirm $pkg
done

twice to fix it.
I hope going to LTS will fix this. I don't have a clue what's happening.
Here's the most recent dumbass error:

error: could not open file /var/lib/pacman/local/bumblebee-status-git- 445.9b0c9a4-1/desc: No such file or directory
error: could not open file /var/lib/pacman/local/pulse!udio-alsa-2-3/desc: No such file or directory

>>60467282
>bumblebee-status-git
That is malware.

>>60458852
For a toilet to be free you need the four essential freedoms.
>The freedom to use the toilet as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
>The freedom to study how the toilet works, and change it so it works as you wish (freedom 1).
>The freedom to redistribute toilets so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2).
>The freedom to distribute your modified version to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes.

stallman was right again https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/17/boy-11-hacks-cyber-security-audience-to-give-lesson-on-weaponisation-of-toys

Just installed XFCE in Gentoo, but I have a problem. Non GTK applications look like complete AIDS. How can I fix this? For example Mousepad looks like ass

>>60467441
>How can I fix this?
Use GUI only when mandatory (web, mail, image, videos) and use CLI for everything else.

My XTerm always look sexy.

>>60467515
Do I need to add qt4 and qt5 USE flag support in my make.conf?

>>60467582
I don't give a fuck.

>>60467596
I'd like to remind you this is a friendly thread

-> >>60467608

>>60467606
Ok. Dear anon,
I am waiting for the day when the abomination called QT has disappear. Please be gentle and never talk me about that piece of craps, made by worst code monkeys on earth, even web devs are competent compared to QT developers.

>>60467650
>piece of craps
kek