MP3 is dead [Official]

>we can't make money on this tech anymore, so it's ((((LEGACY)))) now

OPUS
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Who cares. Actual mp3 320 kbps is already perfect.

MP3 should have died already considering there are better formats available already. It won't happen though, people are used to it and will keep using it for the foreseeable future.

>>60395262
That article is hilarious.

The thing about mp3 is it managed to survive from dialup all the way through to ubiquitous broadband.

Nobody fucking cares about about a codec that's 20% more efficient when it equates to a few seconds of download time. Nobody. Except autists that hang out on /g/ and we're all very aware of how popular the things they like are.

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>>60395438
>MP3 should have died already considering there are better formats available already. It won't happen though, people are used to it and will keep using it for the foreseeable future.
>better

You're a fucking moron

>>60395262
I converted all my stuff from mp3 to ogg the other day, so just in time? Probably a mistake, but I can't tell much of a difference. Besides, now my collection is a third of its original size.

>>60395442
Nobody except Apple who run the most successful digital music shop in the industry.

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>>60395262
>all my pirated music was in MP3 and now it's gone
WTF WHY

>>60395485
I've kept all of my shit .ogg for awhile now

What I really need is a good lossless codec, I guess flac?

>>60395262
Isn't it the opposite? I thought it was going to be public domain or some shit

it's probably a good thing since mp3's degrade in quality over time

>>60395485
>>60395506
what can i use to convert my mp3's to ogg

Is this the beginning of the OPUS era?

They are going to try and kill Mp3 because it's "legacy", aka can't put DRM on it, and no more muh licensing

is there a website which uploads my favorite monstercat release to another format instead of mp3 on uploaded.to?

Is this like the creator of Pepe "killing" pepe

>>60395490
Running "the most successful music shop in the industry" is a lot like being "the guy who's screaming is most coherent after he's been doused in gasoline and lit on fire"

It's a dubious award in the modern landscape. Part of the reasons why sensible people don't like Apple is exactly the type of shit they do like being early adopters of alternative audio codecs... nobody else supports it and so you have to buy all of apples products which are overpriced, suck ass, and rely on garbage tools nobody likes but puts up with anyway.

The worst part is that their fanboys are so deluded that they actually believe it's because Apple is forward-looking company, and not just Apple trying to juice you for every cent you have.

>>60395262
Legacy as in the patents expired so continuing to demand licensing was pushing it.

>>60395612
AAC is a 20 year old format and is very widely used and has been for a very long time. Kill yourself.

>>60395644
Yeah, lets see your AAC music collection then, faggot.

>>60395262
>MP3 is free
Fixed.

That article gave me cancer

>>60395262
what a misleading article

MP3 patents has expired, of course they cant force you buy license

>>60395661
Isn't iTunes music in AAC?
Also a lot of movies rips are encoded with AAC audio tracks

>>60395557
Ogg's website recommends against converting directly from mp3, as it'll likely sound worse. Therefore I'd either find a lossless file to convert from, or convert a few tracks and see if you can hear a difference.

As per your question, I used fee:ac with good results.

>>60395661
Don't have access to it on my phone. Has nothing to do with what I said anyway. Itunes is used by 800 million people and they sell all their music in AAC. AAC is not an obscure format at all, if you've ever watched an MP4 video the audio is AAC. AAC is one of the most common things out there.

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>>60395485
>Transcoding from one lossy format to another for any reason other than hardware compatibility

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>>60395557
ffmpeg

>>60395485
Did you actually convert from lossy to lossy?

>>60395353
Explain your nigger memes, /pol/tard.

>>60395710
>>60395730
Yep. My player was just about full, so I converted to save space. Still sounds good to me.

>>60395262
Not true, they just stopped licencing it as it expired. So no licencing needed. Basically its now FREE

>>60395758
I think he's implying that audio devices will soon stop supporting .mp3 as it's a legacy codec.

>>60395262
Paste a greentexted summary of what is written in there, OP.

>>60395795
Yeah, that won't happen.

>>60395262
What's the mp3 v0 equivalent in vorbis?

>>60395262
>patent expired
>killed it
wat

>>60395795
makes no sense whatsoever. It's still extremely popular and now that its free to implement in hardware manufacturers have no reason not to support it

>>60395262
>dead
it's just not patented anymore, retard. quit posting links to retarded Jizzmodo shit. they're just clickbait publication full of SJW retards.

>>60395560
AAC already won years ago.

>>60395557
freac

>>60395485
>>60395557
stop converting lossy to lossy you're making your end copy objectively shittier

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>>60395661
All mine's in AAC.

>>60395913
Whatever's around 192k.

>>60396164
is AAC an open format?

I won't use proprietary formats if I can help it. Especially for media files where I want shit to just werk on as much hardware as possible.

>>60396164
do you really listen to all that crap?

>>60396192
No. AAC is the audio counterpart to H.264/AVC which is also proprietary obviously

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>>60396192
AAC is the most widely supported format after MP3. "Open" doesn't mean anything if nobody supports it.

>>60396210

>>60395262
You buy CDs and rip them to FLAC

then your music server transcodes them to whatever you want.

FLAC is king.

mp3 isn't 'dead'
if anything, the lack of valid patents means it's now easier than ever for it to be used in places it wasn't before
for example, linux distros can now legally include mp3 codecs in any country

>>60395504
kek

>>60396164
oh, OSTER Project.
good taste anon

>>60395557
Change the file extension

>>60395952
medias are retarded and you know it

>>60396266
>>60396164
Always wanted to ask people like you, because all that shit is beyond me. Are you actually mentally capable? same goes to like Touhou fans and stuff, how old are you?

>>60396484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njZVUyI7HT0

>>60395602
Precisely

>>60395557
>Lossy to lossy
Make sure you convert the original mp3 to mp3 128k before converting that to ogg!

>>60396555
So it's not dead?

>>60396164
Man, I haven't listened to Happy Fruit in years.

>>60396571
it's dead in the same sense as an old game not being sold anymore is dead
it's just not being sold anymore, because the patents expired and nobody has to buy a license to use it anymore

>>60396164
Where can I download this?

>mp3s patents expired recently, it is not a free format
>former patent holder terminates licensing (as it's useless now)
>LEL IDS DEAD NOW

I did the mistake to underestimate the stupidity of weekend nu-/g/

>>60396657
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>>60396508
The technology is very cool
The songs are J-Rock ok
But I can't stand the ultra-autotuned voice

Where do you even find flac albums?

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>>60396829
as opposed to miku's natural voice?

you know the voice is completely synthesized, right?

>>60396916
Yes, I understand that.
I just don't like it.

>>60396947
fair enough

>>60396916
Those projectors are godly though

>>60396829
>autotuned
It's straight synthesised. They literally got someone to say all of the syllables in the Japanese language, and they just stitch them together to make words.
It's a strange sound, and I understand why people might not like it. 90% of it is pretty crap, but some people can do it really well.

>>60396829
You can get them in utaite versions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPnDdWuc9Dc

>>60396684
? ? ?

>>60396684
>weekend
I'm pretty sure it's monday.

>>60396988
As stated previously, I understand that.
What I was trying to say is that the pitching correction is what distorts it so heavily, it is the same you use autotune in the maximum settings on a real recorded voice.
I got to a part where see only speaks, and since pitch correction is not so aggressive, she sounds way more natural

Well, Now is the time to redownload Flac versions of my library.
Any good source for FLAC or AAC?

>>60397067
mikudb.moe

>>60397067
Join a private tracker.

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>>60397053
Its Sunday in the greatest country on Earth.

>>60397173
*only

>>60396704
Thank you. I'll seed this as much as I can.

Get a load of these plebeians
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>>60397336
B
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>>60397094
Except private tracker are shit unless all you want to do is download and upload 24/7

>>60397444
Then the best open one, especially for music, is rutracker.org. But you'd need to dig through slavrunes.

>supposedly tech-literate people unironically defending an ancient (and until recently patented) compression format because it was "good enough" in the Napster days

>>60397795
Have you seen how many Windows users are here? /g/ hasn't been tech literate in like 10 years.

>>60397804
>he can't get v-sync working
>"tech literate"

>>60397795
They're the /g/ equivalent of ZSNES defenders on /vr/.

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>AAC LC (41.8%); MP3 CBR (32.8%); MP3 VBR V0 (16.0%); MP3 VBR V2 (6.3%); MP3 VBR (1.1%); MP3 (0.7%);
its AAC the best option?
will i be fine

music player can read every fucking format so who cares?

>>60397935
As long as you don't use the ffmpeg encoder.

>there are people on /g/ who fell with the "I only listens on FLAC" meme
But why

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>>60397826
>he thinks getting v-sync working is hard on Linux

You're exactly what I'm talking about. I'm on Wayland, I don't even have to get it working because it works out the box.

>>60395381
This

>>60398019
Why is it lagging behind your mouse like that? I thought you were good with computers?

>>60398044
It's a passively cooled Core m3 CPU, Windows can barely even boot on it without melting the laptop.

>>60397953
AAC is better for portable players because it's simpler comparing to MP3 and thus reduces CPU load during decoding. And that obviously extends battery life.

>>60398059
I guarantee you Windows 98 would have no issues with your hardware specs. So again, why is it lagging like that? I thought you were good with computers?

>>60398111
>This is a "tech literate" Windows user

>>60397935
It's patent-encumbered garbage. Stop being retarded and just use Opus.

>>60398082
But don't many portable players have hardware-accelerated mp3 decoding that's more efficient than a software AAC decoder?

>>60398135
>has a computer 100,000 times more powerful than needed to run Windows 3.1
>can't get it to work well
>"tech literate"

>>60398193
>doesn't understand that a weak tiny processor that's being taxed with compressing and encoding a 1080p video stream into a webm on the fly will probably result in the UI becoming less responsive as it's compressing and encoding

I'm wondering if you even understand what was going on in my webm. The hardware can't even handle games more complex than Binding of Isaac.

>>60398282
You're supposedly tech literate. Fix it.

>>60398363
The solution is for you to sit on my dick.

>>60398377
>I'm just another tech illiterate freetard with a Facebook machine
Please leave

>>60395758
He was speaking in quote form, not to be takin literally.
What he is saying is since their patents are expiring and mp3 is now public domain and anybody and their mother can implement it wherever they want without paying the (((fees))), the company wants to slander their offspring so that nobody will want it anymore and try to convince people to use the (((new verison))) so they have to pay the fees all over again.

Same thing is going on with hdmi, its proprietary and people have to pay a fee if they want an hdmi port on their device.
DisplayPort is free and anybody can use it without paying the fees.

>>60395262
The compression-artifact-ghost file was pretty cool.

https://vimeo.com/120024427

>>60398941
I honestly don't know why every TV doesn't have Displayport already.

>>60400375
I have no idea why that URL was in my clipboard. I haven't even watched that. Here's the real URL:

https://vimeo.com/120153502

>>60400387
it takes time.
Most people dont even know what a display port is.
Adding the display port to the tv, even while royalty free, just isnt cost effecint (having to pay engineers + the $00.03 for the physical port) when it isnt a selling point.

>>60395442
>Nobody fucking cares about about a codec that's 20% more efficient when it equates to a few seconds of download time
google cares, because it saves a few seconds of every video, from the thousands uploaded every hour

>>60396508
Is there some good video showing how this tech works and what it looks like from the sides and such?

>>60396873

Apollo, rutracker

>>60397067
>Well, Now is the time to redownload Flac versions of my library.

This is why you just make your library flac from the start and cut out the middle man of hopping around or changing formats. It's not like the space hurts unless your library is a million songs.

>>60397848

>There are ZSNES defenders

What the FUCK

I rip my CDs to flac, then transcode to opus for my phone.

>>60400387

Hollywood doesn't have a majority council seat control over the DisplayPort standard like they do with HDMI, so their stranglehold on DRM isn't good with DP.

>>60400853
>>60400387
Yea this too, totally forgot about drm
hdmi has drm built into it, an entire pin is actually dedicated to drm.

display port doesnt have such cuckery built into it, so the hollywood jew is afraid of it.

>>60397038
being unable to obtain licensing means the death of NOTHING.

>>60396067
Then why does it sound so shit?

press F to play respects.mp3

Does this mean I don't have to manually copy the lame.dll files anymore? Fuck yes

>>60395504
You're a victim of WannaCry?

>>60395842
Just like removing the audio jack didn't happen?

>tfw applel removes mp3 support from next ios version

>>60396210
This. What kind of lowly weeb do you have to be to unironically listen to those chink cartoon tunes? Would a gook autistically listening to euro/murrikan cartoon songs hold much esteem?

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>>60396266
what kind of upbringing leads to this?

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>>60395570
(((this)))

jokes on them since all my legacy infrastructure can rip to mp3 320 or wav

and Winamp plays WAV

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>60400809
I have over 8 terabytes of FLAC audio files. The shit on my player was mp3 to save space.

It isn't going anywhere. This clickbait is fucking cancer because it just means it's "free" now.

Also: MP3 has the best quality:quantity ratio, lossless fags are just elitists snowflake retards if you don't realize this.

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>>60395262
AKA stop downloading MP3s for free and start paying to (((stream))) you stupid goys

>mp3 is """"""dead""""""
modern tech journalism

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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Its-the-end-of-an-era---MP3-format-has-been-discontinued_id94042

mp3 is very much alive. If anything this means it's even easier for it to spread now because now it's free for anyone to implement.

>>60408717
how come these people have a job and i don't

>>60402252
You can ABX 256k AAC from FLAC? Post log.

>>60395262
>all my music was saved as .mp3
What do I do now?
Do I have to purchase a converting software to mp4 so I can listen to my music again?

>>60409027
Didn't you read the news headline? It's too late your music will literally stop working now.

>>60395262
>dead [Official]
>killed

>in reality all it means is that its patent expired and now it's Free

Why are you spreading misinformation?

>>60406071
You're telling me you listen to popular American music like Justin Bieber?

>>60395442
>Nobody fucking cares about about a codec that's 20% more efficient when it equates to a few seconds of download time. Nobody.

That's true, but many of us do care about compressed vs lossy.

I prefer FLAC because it's just lossless. Don't care it if takes a little longer to download.

If it's lossy then it doesn't really matter if it's opus or mp3 or aac so you're right about that. If you're ripping a CD then flac is the obvious choice, if it's already in a lossy format then I'll keep it as is.

>>60395485
Never convert lossy to lossy. That's just silly.

Jokes on them, I just converted my entire collection of 128kbps MP3's to 128kbps Opus. Same size, better sound quality, open format.

Would (indie)devs use it to lighten their games?

>>60408885

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:James_Alefantis

>>60395442
this.
audiophiles (i.e. crazy people) are the only ones who claim that mp3 is not already perfect

I highly doubt that bandcamp, amazon etc are going to go with a large-scale switch anyway

>>60397980
Just don't use ffmpeg's build-in aac decoder,

ffmpeg -acodec libfaac

>>60409244
>audiophiles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34S4Tt1EuQ

>>60409205
I knew someone who converted his 128k MP3's to higher bitrate for "better quality."

>>60395262
It isn't dead, that article is bullshit. It just no longer held under a stupid license, which is a good thing.

>>60409205
You screwed up, you converted a lossy format to another lossy format which gave you Opus audio files with even lower audio quality than your original MP3's. Never do this, ever.

No, you don't get "better sound quality", you get the sound quality your original files had plus additional losses.

>>60409306
you've got to let the bits breathe bro

>>60395381
What the fuck is opus

>>60409318
>he doesn't convert mp3>wav>opus

>>60409307
>no longer held under a stupid license, which is a good thing.

> Fraunhofer Institute's patent expires
> Fedora announces they will finally include MP3 encoding in their GNU/Linux distribution
> Other distributions also include it
> "it's dead"
Sure. It's "dead", just like AC3 which also recently became a free alternative. Not that you want to encode files to it but it's damn useful for SPDIF to older surround receivers (I use it).

>>60409335
second goat audio codec behind flac

>>60409211
A lot of indie devs already use vorbis which is superior or they use lossless like flac or just plain wav/PCM. They have no reason to use mp3 so it's not going to change much for them.

>>60409367
vorbis isn't superior to anything. Not that it matters since it's surpassed by opus anyway.

Opus is shit, the only legit answer is flac

>2017
>People still compressing audio files

What's wrong with you?
Opusposters are the worst.

>>60409391
>vorbis isn't superior to anything.
Definitely superior to mp3. Setting that aside there are implementations of vorbis that are superior to implementations of AAC. I think Apple actually has the best implementation of AAC but since it's all proprietary no one cares. Opus beats that anyway.

>>60409391
Vorbis is better than MP3.

>>60409351
Ikr. I have many programs which got updated few days after their patent expired and included mpe encoding option. Probably now mp3 is in the best position it has ever been.

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>MP3 format expires
>All MP3 files are forcefully deleted on all devices and networks

It truly is the end of an era *shakes head*

>>60395758
>>60395795
>>60395842
>>60405883

Can't you do you own researches before spouting shuch garbage?
The mp3 licence just reach its end of life and manufacturers won't have to pay anymore to use the mp3 codec, NOTHING MORE.
I REPEAT, NOTHING MORE.
So now delete you garbage discussion before clueless retards take your words for the truth.

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Fucking finally.

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>>60409670
>48kHz only

>>60409798
more than enough to record any sound your ears can hear.

>>60409885
Please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34S4Tt1EuQ

Musician ex-Videographer with knowledge in music recording, mixing production and Psychologist with knowledge of placebo here:

Lossless is placebo for the final user. Use it only for archival, for listening the best format currently is quick time or FHG AAC. You won't be able to discern between a ~200kbps file and the original FLAC in a double blind test.

>>60409670

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>>60395262
>Where can I get lossless music files?
>>>/g/ptg
www.redacted.ch

>>60409885
Yeah, but it means upsamling all your music from 44100. I wasn't talking about higher sampling rates.

>>60409148
no,i only listen to good music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOgf-YP5W2M&list=WL&index=53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak4vLEBxIo4&list=WL&index=51

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTeKpWp8Psw&list=WL&index=48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-M6QKyC-AI&list=WL&index=41

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoN2IvLlK8w&list=WL&index=20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10VjfRHF49U&list=WL&index=16

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9thvHDskYvA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ0D9VCz1QI&list=WL&index=60

>>60410285
>tycho
Fucking garbage.

>>60395506
>I've kept all of my shit .ogg for awhile now
>What I really need is a good lossless codec, I guess flac?
Ogg is a container. Flac is Ogg too.

>>60410285
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt2wHUJHbbg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBr5ogGDfOs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_g4zbwWG_I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GQZWo93O44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YbNAZMpxXM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcgr4MOudUQ

MP3 isn't dead, it just means all the patents expired and they can't charge for MP3 usage anymore

Not that anyone should use a 20 year old outdated format when OPUS is far superior to it for lossy audio codec while FLAC is best for lossless audio codec

>>60409205

zoom enhance

>>60409304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPXiOirncTA

>>60410685
Opus is garbage that can't play anywhere. AAC is only 5~10% inferior but can play anywhere. Go shill somehwere else.

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>>60410596
for some reason this very high-pitched robot voice is just repelling for me.if you listen to jap songs then why not listen to good ones at least?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lx0S9LrOPc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IazvA6R0pY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CID-sYQNCew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2SJ2LZMfeM

>>60410546
I dunno senpai, sounds like decent chillout to me

>>60410773
Fuck yourself, Macfag cunt

>>60410773
iFaggots must suffer.

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>>60410773
>AAC
>not vorbis

>>60395381
Mainstream adoption when?

>>60410866
What do you call mainstream? Android supports in long ago. Youtube uses it in WebM.

>>60395262
MP3 patent expires
Fraunhofer stop their patent licensing scheme
Somehow this means MP3 is dead

Nice clickbait

Opus sounds appreciably worse to me than mp3. Highs are thin and metallic sounding, mids are a bit muddled and loses its sense of warmth and the lows lack any punch.

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>>60396424
Kek

>>60409571

So if anything MP3 usage would increase.

>>60398377
This tbqh senpai. If you can get modern tech to work on a box otherwise strong enough for windows 3.1, that's not a symptom of tech illiteracy.

>>60410948
You have absolutely no idea how digital lossy audio compression works nor how placebo and self-suggestion works. Please educate yourself.

AAC sucks anyways

It sounds better at extremely low bitrates but at high bitrates MP3 actually sounds better, not sure why but there's always a noticeable treble muffling w/AAC, even at highest settings

>>60411474
>what are psychoacoustics

pro-tip: it isn't math

>>60410851
Vorbis has the same lack of compatibility issues that opus have. I fell for that mrmr once and downloaded hundres or vorbis cds just for it to never be able to play oj my car and be surpassed by aac years later.

>>60410832
I use windows. AAC has nothing to do with mac, dumbfuck.

>>60411498
>for it to never be able to play oj my car and be surpassed by aac years later

>what is a sansa clip+
>what is rockbox
>what is car mode
>what is ogg, opus, and 5 million other codecs support?

>>60410866
It's already mainstream, it's just not supported by apple garbage.

>>60411498
>Vorbis has the same lack of compatibility issues that opus have.
it's not 2007 anymore

>>60411498
the first 'mp3' player i bought, in around 2003, supported vorbis (along with mp3 and wma)
i don't think i ever used mp3 on it, vorbis was more efficient, and wma was fastest to encode, there was no reason to use mp3 even then

>>60411488
Pro tip, you havr never done an abc-hr test in your life. When you do, we talk again.
>>60411593
>>60412265
Try googling regular cheap Chinese car stereos on ebay. See the first 3 pagew. Count and Tell me which ones support aac and ogg/vorbis/opus.

Also put an ogg file on a pen drive and a video file with opus audio on any non android-smart tv see if it runs. Por tip, only lg. 3 year old tv? Hahaha only in your dreams.
Even my 2007 flip nokia plays aac, though.

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>>60411480
MP3 is inferior to its successor AAC at any bitrate.

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/kamedo2/touch/20111029/1319840519

>>60395262
>MP3 is dead
Not gonna happen, they will never kill MP3 as the main music format. That's like saying they will kill the GIF format, we had the chance to do it but now it's too late.

>>60395381
sounds like shit tho. even mp3 sounds better.

>>60413353
Gif is basically already dead.

>>60413353
>That's like saying they will kill the GIF format
Webm did a good job of that here.
Only redditors and tumblerinas who come here use gif.

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>>60413446

>>60395710
most people have so shitty audio hardware that there will be no audible difference even if that is done multiple times.

>>60413434
>>60413446
You talk as if 4chan represented like 90% of the Internet.

>>60413494
Might as well be, a lot of content comes from here in the first place. Even our japanese counterpart futaba has webms though, theirs have audio too. Even reddit faggots use sites that support video codecs

>>60398005
i have a mp3 folder too but only because those tracks arent anywhere in flac.

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>mfw linux can finally comes with mp3 support natively

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>>60413424
Opus is in the different league.

Time for Opus or m4a to take over

>>60413192
typical hydrogenautist non-response

>>60411480
which encoder did you use?
AAC encoders vary quite wildly, the difference between the worst and best ones is quite large
there are good and bad mp3 encoders, too

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>>60408717
>replace proprietary format with another proprietary format
i wonder how much they got paid for that article.

>>60413653
Time for Opus to take over. End of sentence. Nothing else is necessary.

>>60396164
AAC is god tier lossy, OGG is shit

>>60413597
could be but the only lossy files i have are mp3 and nothing can be done to that.

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>>60413853
aac is shit. why would the manufacturers pay for that when they can now use mp3 for free and save money?

>>60398005
>expecting /g/ for not falling for memes
You have only yourself to blame.

>>60413860
You can encode opus yourself for your smartphone from flac anytime.

>>60413950
yes but thats not needed anymore for modern phones because even the stock google music thing can play flac files.

>>60413670

>Bernhard Grill, director of that Fraunhofer division and one of the principals in the development of the MP3, told NPR over email that another audio format, AAC — or "Advanced Audio Coding," which his organization also helped create — is now the "de facto standard for music download and videos on mobile phones." He said AAC is "more efficient than MP3 and offers a lot more functionality."

http://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2017/05/11/527829909/the-mp3-is-officially-dead-according-to-its-creators

One of creators of MP3 formats agrees.

>>60414039
only because they want to keep earning easy money.

>>60414003
Yeah, but portable storage is limited, so it would help if you have tons of albums.

>>60414091
not really anymore. 32gb sd cards are like $10 now and you could always stream them from your home server.

>>60414090
Sure. They made AAC to earn more shekels, but it solved many technical problems of its predecessor at the same time.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050205164013/http://www.mp3-tech.org:80/content/?Mp3%20Limitations

>>60413695
I used the iTunes/QuickTime encoder at highest settings, 320 ABR. There's always a noticeable dullness, which is frustrating.

>>60414290
did you turn off or increase the low-pass filter?

>>60395262
>The decision is largely symbolic

Not a shit was given

>>60414347
Didn't mess with that; last I checked that only worked for MP3s in iTunes

Cursed with Golden Ears I guess

>>60395442
You realize Fraunhofer IIS has codecs for AAC and AAC-LC too, right? I don't even like Germany, but they're top notch.

Try Fraunhofer AAC or opus if your player supports it.

https://github.com/tmkk/fhgaacenc

I use all my music in flac anyway (even if you can't hear the difference it's great to archive) but if I ever needed a shrunk copy I'd use opus.

>>60413597
>99kbps

That is outdated as fuck Now try ABC-HR Opus with AAC at around 150 or even 200kbps. Pro tip you can't. Pro tip, at that quality level, the compatibility advantage of AAC and more solid optimzation to avoid artifacting on killer samples gives it an edge over OPUS.
Who wants to listen to "noticeable but not very annoying artifacts" (which is what 4 stands for) with opus anyway?

Trust me, I used to frequet hydrodgen audio foruns. No ones recommend Opus for music there.

>>60414290
>QAAC at 320kbps
>dullnes
OW WOW.
Know over at AKG or Bose, they would want to hire you for your golden ears!!

Seriously now, either set up a proepr ABC-HR with a lest half a dozen samples and be amazed by your fool brain auto-suggestion fooling you or just shut up.

>>60395463
why is he a moron?

>>60415169
Both AAC and Opus are same at such bitrate if nobody distinguishes each even at killer samples .

>>60411566
>>what is a sansa clip+
A discontinued product.

>>60405920
What kind of lowly neckbeard do you have to be to unironically post about Gentoo and botnets all day?

>>60416047
You want to encode audio at 100kbps with slightly annoying artifacts or bump the quality settings into transparency zone with a little safe margin at which point quality wise they are both transparent?

Obviously, the latter.

Given that both codecs are transparent at around 200kbps, would you rather get the more mature, well proven and more compatible one, or the hipster muh freedom one?

I chose the former.


Also some killer samples with lots of pre-echo fails in any modern lossy codec at any bitrate, but QAAC is usually better at such cases than Lame or Opus.

I moved to mp4 long ago.

>>60413493

You should wash your ears. Weekly, at least.

Does Foobar automatically organize your music like iTunes?

>>60418151
Pre-echo handling is much better in Opus, though. Shorter block + small overlap work fine for better time resolution.

Also, qaac at 200kbps fails at extreme case according to this thread.

https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php?PHPSESSID=r62du03bh0q0lldld73tp12t94&topic=113981.msg939497;topicseen#new

>>60414586
>I don't even like Germany, but they're top notch.
Dankeschön

>>60419727
> retarded millenial can't even organize its music collection
That's why corporations rape us

>>60395485
disgusting

Going to pour one out for my lossy homie

>>60419759
>https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php?PHPSESSID=r62du03bh0q0lldld73tp12t94&topic=113981.msg939497;topicseen#new
Ah, I saw those killer samples together with some other packs back in 2013. Interesting, indeed, but the collection of killer samples from different users on HA often kills all lossy codecs in existence including MPC and OPUS so it is not really a surprise. I remember Opus and FDK having more problem with pre-echo back in 2013 than QAAC. Nevermind there is only half a dozen of killer samples like that and they are extremely difficult to notice with ABX (I was succesfful, but I failed with ABCHR on some occasions after I got tired of testing).

Failing on ABCHR is already sign that the quality is more than good enough.

>>60395570
That's the plan, so yeah.

>>60419727
Yes.