/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Why does the 7700k stutter? It's the best gaming CPU from Intel and it microstutters on games.

Okay, for the most part I plan on playing games, some light content creation, and a fair amount of other multitasking (Voice calls, Chrome near-always open for looking stuff up and having some quiet music open on youtube/soundcloud)
I'm considering getting Asus Prime X370 for holding out through AM4's lifespan, but I'm also considering dropping the 1600 to a 1400. Would saving $60 be worth not having those 2 extra cores?

>>60240627


1400 is a poorman i5.

>>60240475
idk.
I don't think the analysis on its stuttering problem is that great.
I remember when SLI and Crossfire, and AMD GPUs for half a decade ago in general, had this microstutter problem.
People swore they saw it, swore it existed, but it took MONTHS for people to actually figure out tests which could measure the problem and prove that people weren't imagining things.

There is a question of whether maybe people just configured their PCs improperly in some way that makes the 7700k stutter (but then why do Ryzen PCs not get "configure improperly" and stutter?)
But yeah you can see it right on the external video capture for those that do that, that it seems some frames just aren't going out even though SOFTWARE frametime analysis doesn't catch it.

Maybe in a few months people will actually figure it out and get concrete proof. Maybe there is some architecture flaw with them causing it like in those Atom CPUs. Maybe it's something wrong with their SoC PCI-e lanes sometimes not outputting instructions properly to the GPU.
But I figure if anyone has enough money to buy a 7700k, delid it, buy a $80+ cooler, an expensive Z270 board, so on and so forth, they can afford to replace their motherboard and CPU in a year or two if it turns out to really be that much of a lemon.

>>60240627
1400 isn't worth it unless on sale to be much cheaper than the 1500X.
The 1500X is only 11% more MSRP and for that you get:
Much higher stock clocks (3.9GHz XFR)
more OC headroom
a better stock cooler
5-10% higher IPC(due to the increased cache)
better memory compatibility. (1400 often have trouble running over 2400 or 2666 RAM more often).

I'd recommend the 1500X. Yes, the 1600 is hardly more, and better value if you overclock, but the 1500X is already beyond more powerful than most people need at that price so there is little point in spending more for most people.

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Is a dual fan Video card worth 50$ extra over a single fan?

>>60240764
What's an alternative then? The i5 7600k? I heard that stutters too.

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got my tax return bux and looking to jump ship from my trusty 4 year old hunk of garbage.

does this look any good? is there any upcoming shit that is worth holding out for? what the fuck is a Ryzen and should it interest me?

>>60240813
the 7600k is way worse and easily measurably so. It's the 7700k and other higher thread count Intel CPUs which seem to stutter but not show up in a lot of software tests. 4c/4t is bad in a lot of newer games if you want to consistently stay over 60fps for every single frame.
The alternative is the 1600X. Its averages may not be as high as the 7700k overall, but it's smoother.

>>60240807
Not really when you can get an after market cooler for like $50? Get what's better quality, OCs better, best value. Read reviews.

>>60240807
Dual fans probably would be worth the extra money due to running a fair amount cooler, and having more headroom for performance. Depending on the card, that extra $50 wouldn't be a noticeable difference.
Something like a single fan GTX1070 would benefit pretty heavily from 2-3 fans compared to single fan, whereas sub-1060 probably wouldn't put off enough heat to warrant spending the extra.

>>60240848

>i5

Anon, please.

>1080

You best be getting a 1440p or 4k monitor.

>>60240868
>Anon, please.

sorry i'm out of the loop, what should i be looking into?

>You best be getting a 1440p or 4k monitor.

i have a 1440p monitor atm.

Anyone got recommendations on a build for a general purpose PC? I don't really play games though if I do it's mostly LoL and Runescape with occasional Witcher 3 on medium settings. I want something that'll last 5+ years and is fast at web browsing and running multiple applications at once + driving a 4k monitor.

My current set up is a 2500k and GTX 670; it has served me well but it is dated. Thanks.

>>60240848
>i5
no
There's also an incredible amount wrong with that build. But I wont' bother pointing them out since you need to start over anyway.

Also read the fucking OP.

>>60240893
1600.
I just upgraded from my 2500k to a 1600X. It's super nice.

>>60240905

Yeah I've been thinking Ryzen; I'm split between the 1600/X and the 1700 though. Do I need the additional 2 cores you think?

>>60240924

> Do I need the additional 2 cores you think?

This is one of those things where if you have to ask you don't.

I have enough money to buy a gtx 1070 should I go for it or just wait? I won't be using it much till Christmas this year

>>60240959
Do you already have a Gsync high refresh rate monitor? Then yeah, sure.
If not, I'm not sure why you were even considering it to begin with.

>>60240627
As others already said:
1400 only if on serious sale.
1500X if you're fine with 4 cores and don't want to OC.
1600, the sweat spot for Ryzen. 6C12T, good stock cooler, good OC to equal the 1600X.
Imho you should get the 1600 + B350 or X370. I web with 1600 + Asus X370 Pro because i value good VRM, audio, longevity and have hopes in AM4 to maybe upgrade later on.
B350 is still a fine choice, especially on budget.

>>60240994
I just want 60fps @ 1440p, the benchmarks for 1070 look good for that

>>60240994
Also, this is the monitor I have
http://www.ebay.com/itm/QNIX-QHD2710R-MULTI-27-inch-2560x1440-LED-QHD-Matte-VGA-DVI-HDMI-Remote-Monitor-/262158013257
I mostly just play flight simulators and one or two AAA games. I need the vram for space engine.

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This kid has a better rig than you,
what's your excuse?

>>60240959
wait for vega

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>>60241124
i wish i had rich parents or good job
or didnt live in 3th world

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>>60241124
I'm not an autistic downie child of some russian oligarch.

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>>60241056
So just 60hz, not Freesync nor Gsync? You'd be good with an 8GB RX580. A 1070 would be overkill in most cases, but you'd more often be able to keep things maxed for the handful of games you can't with the 580.
Games now days rarely look better on "max" than "high", though. I'd save the money to use to buy a better monitor later.

>>60240848
>picture related

Are case fans important?

>>60241200
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Stop repeating this imbecile meme put settings on ultra or even v.high and see how your fps take a nose dive into the 30s

If somone want to play at max settings in 1080p he needs at last 1070

>>60241339
>can't read
>keeps being refutted but keeps spamming the same bullshit
>will start posting 16x MSAA benchmarks next.

>>60241309
Yeah. You should have at least one.

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upgrading from my dying 6 years old i5 2500k. Is this a good build?

>>60241409
The 3200s are on sale on newegg

7 bucks more.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233859

>>60241395
>enjoys playing on medium with no aa
>try to convince everyone that its the way to play
stop being obnoxious stop telling people who want to buy a car that public buss is all they need

You WONT PLAY GAMES ON ULTRA OR V.HIGH on rx580/gtx1060 tier card you need more power
If you dont need more than fine but others may not feel the same

>>60241468
>doesn't know what SMAA is
I really wish you were banned. Your ignorance is proven thread after thread, but you keep spamming the same dumb shit since your ignorant ass never learns anything .

>>60241462
Not that guy but thanks for sharing that information.

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>>60241468

No, a 580/1060 is plenty.

>>60241409
>>60241538
Honestly you should check newegg, they had a couple of combo bundles and stuff off for my ryzen 1600 build I made in the last week.

Doesn't pay to look around.

how much of a meme is Ryzen really

>>60241593

Its so good Tom's latest cpu of the month article is basically a hit piece against AMD.

>>60241551
>down of war
>>60241491
what ever aliasing jaggies and low settings lover

What should I be looking for with an aftermarket GPU cooler?
Are there any decent solutions that aren't watercooled?

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>>60241653

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>>60241652
>jaggies
ok shill

>>60241673
That's from beta. AMD driver update changed that. Check Hardware Unboxed's recent video.
Also that's from the most untrustworth source ever. Everyone knows that and you're not fooling anyone.

>>60241674
neat

>>60241652

>MSAA on deferred rendering engines

lol

For no microstuttering in games and a 100% smooth experience, should I go AMD? Intel has better thread performance for single threads, but I don't know.

Considering a 1700x with a RX 480 (or should I wait for the 580?). I just want to max out all games at 1080p 60fps with no problem.

>>60241727

>Intel has better thread performance for single threads

If you have a technical understanding of how ryzen is different from kabylake and older Intel architectures for the most part ryzen has higher IPC. The reasons why we don't see this massively right now are many and complex.

>>60241727
get r5 1600 going for r7 is waste of money their gaming performance is identical
>I just want to max out all games at 1080p 60fps with no problem.
get gtx1070 or wait a month for vega c3 you wont be maxing out games with rx 580 you will be playing at high settings and average 60fps

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>>60241757
just like always with amd
amd is best but all the world hide it using sabotage and black magic lol

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>>60241777

That was not what was said at all you fool. Even in simple terms coding to the limitations of Intel's now aging architecture makes sense given (up until now) its IPC advantage - it is a known quantity. Ryzen is brand new, has its own pitfalls to avoid.

It is why in ServeTheHome's reviews ryzen is slaughtering Intel's efforts because 1) Linux has better support for ryzen right now compared to windows and 2) the tasks they are benching are sensitive to the IPC advantage ryzen has at points.

4 complex ops a cycle is no joke.

>>60241757
>>60241766

I just don't want to pull the trigger on the 1600 and see something like Fallout 4 have stuttering issues.

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>>60241849

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>>60241849
well than buy intel r7 1800x will have exact same performance in fallout 4 as r5 1600 especially after oc. But there wont be many more games written like fallout so i wouldn't worry that much. Pic related is absolute worst case scenarion. But if you decide to go with intel go with i7 forget i5

>>60241897
>But there wont be many more games written like fallout so i wouldn't worry that much.

How do ytou know that?

>>60241956
Modern Fallout games are probably the worst coded shit ever. They would stutter even in a NASA supercomputer.

>>60241956
AMD are partnered with Bethesda and working on optimizing the game for 90fps+ FO4 VR.

how much worse could i do than a gigabyte moba? i usually get asus but all of their features suck when it comes down to the b350 chipset.

>>60241849
>I just don't want to pull the trigger on the 1600 and see something like Fallout 4 have stuttering issues.
why didn't you bother googling?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgxhmFnWYE4
Looks like a solid Vsync locked 60fps to me for 1600+RX470.
I'm assuming he OC'd the 1600, but it doesn't say.

m.2 is just a form factor correct
so I could just use it as my main drive in a pc right

>>60242123
Yes and yes.

>>60242157
alright thanks senpai

any mini itx ryzen mobos coming out soon?

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I'm a software dev that has no knowledge of PC building, wanna build my first gayman/coding pc.

How's this for 1080p 60fps gaming?

non-K CPU's means I don't need to buy a separate cooler right?

>>60242237
>i5
why is your hardware knowledge so bad when you're a programmer?
Are you one of those "lua programmers"?

>>60242251
I'm a newbie and I was too poor to care about hardware.
I looked at youtube benchmarks basically and went from there...

>>60242237
send link

>>60242267
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/mQrmjc

>Ordered my 7700k about two weeks ago
>Turns out it's actual garbage
Oh fuck, what do I do now? Should I cancel it and go with Ryzen? Do they have good mATX mobos?

>>60242237
>I'm a software dev
If that's pertinent, just get the best ryzen you can afford, wtf

>>60242282
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/QrNvFd
Compilation times scale with cores, so R5 1600 is a clear choice.

Also i5s are shit, pay attention to CPU usage.
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo

Also i'm not really sure why you picked a motherboard more expensive than the CPU you picked. The one i put is a budget one but i'm using it and doing video editing / encoding, audio encoding, coding, gayming, streaming & recording, and it's serving me well so far. It also has 6 satas so there's that

>>60242237
seeing that motherboard in there makes me angry

get a gold certified PSU

look into crucial for your SSD since they're a lot cheaper than samsung

obviously switch CPU to an R5 1600 or something, get a B350 motherboard to go along with it

Getting a ryzen 1700X and a shitty rx470. What range of PSU should I look at?

Is 550 going to be enough?

>>60242452
>rx470
I meant rx570

>>60242452
>Getting a ryzen 1700X and a shitty rx470.
That's a poorly balanced build if for gaming purposes.

>Is 550 going to be enough?
yes

plan on building a PC with my tax return.
every time I ask I get different recommendations, since I need everything.

budget is 1200$ with a monitor included, games I plan to play are GSGs like EUIV and CK2, STALKER, and stuff like that, nothing too intensive.

would appreciate some help.

>>60242460
Nah, that ain't for gaming or anything.. It's just for watching movies/TV series really. Thanks.

>>60242465
Ausfag?

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>>60242471
>It's just for watching movies/TV series really. T

>>60242477
nah US.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LF7vFd

Looking to get some mileage out of this system without delving too much into upgrades early on, just looking for some final input whether this system is okay or not.

1440p (120hz), wanna max out games like The Witcher 3 and some future titles at greater than 60 fps, don't do anything in regards of rendering or other programs whatsoever, budget is around $1300-1500.

>>60242479
And some software dev. Linux fag.

>>60242471
you don't need a $350 cpu to watch movies and tv series, a $50 can do it just as much
Nor do you need a dedicated GPU for that

Go for the cheapest intel cpu you can find instead.

>>60242494
Would be wiser to drop that to a 6 cores R5 1600. Considering you don't do anything really CPU intensive, going for an R7 is quite overkill.

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>>60242460
>gaming purposes
I forget this is
/vgcag/ - Video Game Console Assembly General

>>60242519
I don't see much usages where it would be wise to go R7 1700x & rx 470

>>60242519
what else would you do on your pc are you some kind of nerd lol?

>>60242513
>Considering you don't do anything really CPU intensive, going for an R7 is quite overkill.
Nope, I do really do CPU intensive tasks. I compile heaps of shit in the background. Plus I virtualize other distros time to time.

>>60242538
Then say it right away man, because
> It's just for watching movies/TV series really. Thanks.
really doesn't make me think you compile heaps of shit in the background Plus virtualize other distros time to time.

>>60242555
lol, you got a point

>>60242486
Looks good to me
Might wanna wait a few weeks for vega or something but it's still a good build, you can go for it

Ok so this is my current shitpile

>i5 4430
>r9 270
>8Gb

I was said by numerous people that my cpu should be fine for a while (even though I wish I had made a 2500k build that would have creamed this).
And 8GB is enough for anything other than shit optimized games.
So I guess all that remains is the GPU.
I dont wanna waste another chance to buy a good used card, but the people keep just recommending the 1000 or 500 series.
Can I give this card away for like 70€ and get a good used one for like 100ish €?
I was thinking the 770 but I was said it's not that big an upgrade

>>60242567
>Can I give this card away for like 70€
Probably around $55 ~ $65 instead

>and get a good used one for like 100ish €?
Very unlikely, only the RX 480/580 or GTX 1060 (or anything more expensive than that) would be worth upgrading to, but there's no way you can find those at 100€ even used.

>>60242567
>I was thinking the 770 but I was said it's not that big an upgrade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBH6X--41Cg
It's a very, very, very slight upgrade. Don't do it.

Is the be quiet dark rock 3 enough to handle the I-7 7700k?

>>60242613
yes
might wanna add a second fan to it

>>60242591
fuck I thought I saw it sold for 160 new.
oh well it seems 60-70€ is my best case scenario

>>60242599
your link says 280x mate
I have a 270.
as I understand it's a pretty significant jump from 270 to 280x

>>60242627
>might wanna add a second fan to it
Please elaborate. Do you mean a case fan or a second fan to the cooler?

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>>60242599

This day and age the 280x (aka 7970ghz) is closer to a 780 than the 770. I still agree its not worth to upgrade to a 770 though.

>>60242647
I HAVE A 270
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>60242647
Isn't the 370 in there just a 270?

>>60242519
Why else would he spend that much money on a gaming GPU?

>>60242659

I believe so.

>>60242669
I know nothing about GPUs really. I know my CPU doesn't have iGPU so I had to choose one. That's why I chose a 570.

From the idea that /v/ shitposters gave me, AMD's polaris cards aren't as powerful as Nvidia's 10XX series. I just want a decent GPU

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XtPwXH

curtain call on this build. i wanna buy it

what would you change boys and girls?

>>60242722
>I know my CPU doesn't have iGPU so I had to choose one. That's why I chose a 570.
Unless you're gaming there's no reason to get such a powerful GPU, you should drop that to a 460

>>60242727
looks good

>>60242728
>570
>powerful

>>60242722
If you aren't going to game and aren't doing other GPU intensive things(like OpenCL), there's no reason whatsoever to spend more than bare minimum on the GPU. You should be looking into getting something like 1050 or RX 550 instead.

>>60242747
yes. He's not doing GPU intensive stuff.

>>60242538
Ya get the 1700 then.
In a few days the RX560 should come out. That's probably more than you need but would be better value than the RX550 just in case you do need more GPU power.
RX470 is way overkill. That plays most newer games maxed at 60fps.

>>60242567
An RX560 or 1050Ti would be a significant upgrade over that.
You could probably find a used 280 or 280X around 100euro, though. I'd just worry about how long a card that old will last. And the heat.

>>60242747
Stop shitposting.

>>60242771
>RX470 is way overkill. That plays most newer games maxed at 60fps.
stop lying

>>60242538
but he is right if you trully have no interest in gaming and do not use gpu rendering than rx460 or rx560 will be perfect for you, you wont be wasting money and it will still allow you to play the most common online games like cs go dota 2 world of tanks etc. if you ever get such a desire

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European union gave me 440$ to improve my computer build.[Yes they will do that for anyone in EU after you fill about 80papers and pass commision,to be honest not worth the time but I m poor.

I'd guess rx580 8gb for 220$ but what to do with 200$ that is left? I can not buy ryzen+mobo+ram for that much my PSU is brand new silver certificate 700W and case is new too.

EU rules
1.Needs to be new with papers
2.I need to keep it for 3 yearsmark it as sponsored by EU and have papers for 13years
3.Gotta be bought in my country
4.I can add my own $ ,I'm even encouraged to do so .

PCBG-ultimate europoor jew edition

>>60242864
>European union gave me 440$ to improve my computer build.[Yes they will do that for anyone in EU after you fill about 80papers and pass commision
is being "poor" a requirement?

>>60242864
link to the program gib nao

>>60242864
>I'd guess rx580 8gb for 220$ but what to do with 200$ that is left?
wait for vega

>>60242874
Actually no,but you should not use same account that has all your millions of $$$ as the donation account.
>>60242890
I strongly reccomend to use some sort of state sub-program for that because It is much more easy and faster to get but you can use what fits you from there https://ec.europa.eu/info/funding-tenders_en

I myself have small business so I used the business program

>>60242894
That may be issue,I forgot to mention I've got just 6 months and I think vega will be 4 expensive 5 me anyway. I do not see how would even 1080ti benefit to this old system. Ram speed,processor becomes bottleneck.

>>60242964
> I've got just 6 months
Vega is june 31 at the very worst. AMD very recently started pushing Vega supports in their drivers and we had a glimpse of the specs in recent Linux drivers. It's soon.

>I do not see how would even 1080ti benefit to this old system.
Upgrading the GPU is the first thing you want to do because you're running such an old one. But then as you said, the money left doesn't let you upgrade the second most important thing (cpu) because that would require a change of mobo & ram, which ends up way outside the budget.

So get an overkill GPU, maybe add a 1TB hard drive in there, and you'll be set for the years to come graphics wise.

>>60242599
I dont have a 280x.
I have a 270. hello?

>>60243001
Alrighty,I'll join the Wait TM then.

Just out of curiosity If I sold my ram+mobo+g card
and added 100$ would that be enought to upgrade all?
I never sold old electronics so I got no idea
[everything is flawless and I clean it perfectly every 6months even changing thermal paste.

>>60243126
see >>60242659

>>60242864
Upgrade CPU to a 3770k and get faster RAM while it's still available (they've stopped making DDR3)
Just get an RX570 4GB.

>>60243128
yes, that would be enough, but not to fit a high end gpu in there
If you get an RX 580 you're left with $220, selling your cpu + mobo + ram could get you $170 ~ $220 for a total of $390 ~ $440, and you can already get a good build with that

>>60243134
it's not. the 270 has 2gb and it's not the same card as 370

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>>60243289
Performs so close it's pretty much the same

>>60242237
you don't need a MB that supports overclocking if you are not going to buy an unclocked CPU, the RAM that you are buying is kind of overkill , you are not gong to need more than the base clock speed, so 3000Mhz it's unnecesary...

>>60243316
270x not 270
you guys have mentioned 280x, 280, 370 and 270x
anything other than responding to my question

>>60243344
I responded to it, tho.

>>60243344
270x is just 270 with slightly higher clocks.

>>60243373

No its not - the 270x is the 7870 whereas the 270 is the 7850.

>>60243398
No, 265 is the 7850.

Is it worth paying £30 more for Radeon RX 580 8GB rather than the 4GB version?

>>60243437
yes

>>60243437
definitely

>>60243344
we already keep responding to your question
not our fault if you can't into reading

Should I buy a video card now or keep my old one and wait for Vega

>>60243489
Wait for Volta or Flasher 599

>>60243489
depends on what performance you need

>>60243489
If you want more performance than 580 can offer, it's probably best to wait.

Is it possible to buy a laptop for ~600€ whose primary purpose will be to code and edit music but that would allow me to emulate PS2 and GC, as well as play oldish games such as DaS or Dragon's Dogma smoothly ?

apologies if this is not the right general to ask for laptops.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f4CFhq
How's it look?

>>60243566
Good, but could make some good saving on CPU & cooler with minimal performance loss. Could also downgrade the PSU to 600 / 550w.
Also get a Freesync monitor, they're similarly priced

>>60243566
Why that SSD?
And why not get a Freesync monitor?
And get a Cryorig C1 or something cooler if you can wait a few days for the bracket.
And only one SR DIMM..

>>60243566
get 16gb of ram, 8gb isn't going to cut it nowadays, get it in 2x 8gb so you can benefit from running it in dual channel as opposed to just one stick of 16gb.

also that monitor is absolute dog shit.

>>60243734
SSD is just for OS only
Added freesync
rather not wait for the bracket
don't need more than 8gigs, i think

>>60243756
I didn't ask how much RAM you needed. Read the OP.

>>60243770
yeah I know dual channel is faster but even then I don't think i'd need it

>>60243476
not my fault you are a fucking mong and respond with answers that arent relevant to my question, since you talkabout any gpu under the sun other than the one I said I have

>>60243782
have fun coming to the inevitable conclusion that you do in fact need it.

>>60243373
so, not the 270

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>>60243795
we already helped you and told you what to do
stop throwing a tantrum

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>>60243734
>>60243711
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Jqpmjc

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>>60243854
>from $120 to $190 monitor
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING

>>60243812
he only one acting like a child here is you
I'm just pointing out your lack of reading comprehension abilities

let me show how dumb you are
>i first ask the question: 270 or 770 upgrade
>anon responds saying 280x and 770 is little difference. wat
>I point it out
>no reponse, then a response quoting a post saying the 370 and 270 are the same. wat
>I point out the falsity of that statement
>anon show graph where 370 and 270X are similar
>that same graph shows huge difference between 370 and 770, proving my point and proving his wrong
>you enter the scene, embarassing yourself
why do i bother, you will get confused by these many words in a row

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>>60243876
I HAVE NO IDEA

>>60243854
get a 144hz monitor :^)

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>>60243890
shhhhhhh

>>60243894
don't need one for 580 8gb, if i got the 1070 maybe

>>60243891
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/W3yxFT/viewsonic-monitor-vx2457mhd

>>60243898
>>60243812
>anime-poster
of course. kek

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>>60243890
>>that same graph shows huge difference between 370 and 770

>>60242385
>>60243330
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/bC6qJV

crucial ram was 10 euros cheaper

am I good to go?

>>60243998
yes

>>60243965
>he compares fps counts from different games
>ignores the 770 fps count that is 58 vs the 370's 43
top kek
these threads are /v/ magnets

OH MY GOD GUYS
THE RYZE 7 JUST BEAT THE I770K LOOK AT LINUS TECH TIPS HE JUST DID A NEW REVIEW

>>60244058
it's not worth anon

>>60244074
it's entertaining
/g/ might be a /v/ infested shitshow where you cant get any tech discussion, but at least it's damn funny to look at the children give a try at shitposting. that one even used an image editor. +2 points

>>60244100
don't be mean

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i fucking love my new build, thx guys for the super smooth gameplay

Is ASUS PRIME B350-PLUS AMD Socket AM4 Motherboard good?
I was about to get it, but read two 1 star reviews and got cold feet

>>60244279
it's nice
i can't reach higher than 2400MHz RAM with the latest bios update though, with the previous one i could
but it's nice and is serving me well so far

>>60244130
What build

http://www.frys.com/product/9127128?site=92premail050617

Ryz 1500x for $170 via promocode with today's e-mail promotion.

Does a hot glue gun tip get hot enough to melt solder?

>>60243854
Get a 1440p freesync monitor if you're getting a 8gb rx580. It won't do 144 fps except for csgo and shit but you can you're the GPU later.

And that ssd is garbage. Why did you not read reviews?

>>60244335
Alright, thanks!

The RAM that I'm planning on getting is 2666mhz, do you think it's still worth buying the motherboard? Or should I change it to something else?

>>60244420
>do you think it's still worth buying the motherboard?
assuming the incoming bios updates aimed at fixing all those ram frequency problems actually does it's job, and there's no reason it shouldn't considering previous bioses could reach 2666MHz (on my kit) without any problem, yes it's still worth

>>60244434
Not that guy, but should I wait on hardware til amd gets their shit together on updates with the ram issue?

Hello anons.

I understand the concept of overclocking enough to know that I will not attempt to, however the motherboard I'm looking at
does not allow overclocking (or however I am supossed to say that, you know what I'm talking about) and the GTX 1050 ti is factory overclocked, does that mean that they are not compatible and I should get something that allows overclocking?

Also while I'm at it is it safe to assume that I don't need to buy anything if I plan to conect to the tubes via ethernet, right? All motherboards have an ethernet port so I'm working under that assumption.

>>60244556
>til amd gets their shit together on updates with the ram issue
the updates is for this month, they already completed the agesa update and now mobo manufacturers are working on bioses

>>60244569
GPUs aren't overclocked the same way CPUs are
it's very often irrelevant form motherboard

>>60244569
>if I plan to conect to the tubes via ethernet,
all of my what

puchasing stuff for my build.

realized I don't have an OS... should I bite the bullet and get windows 10, or be stubborn and stick to 7?

>>60244677
what did you purchase?
w7 will have big trouble on kaby lake & ryzen

So, I'm going with Crucial on my SSD but what are /g/'s opinions on what brand of HDD is better?

Hardmode: No "Seagate Drives are known for dying" meme.

>>60242567
Damn your build is almost same as mine except i have a i7 4790k.
I went full ham on the gpu, waiting for my 1080ti now.

Would 500W PSU be enough for Ryzen 1700 and ati RX580?

>>60244793
yes, and a decent room for oc'ing both

>>60244609
Thank you.

>>60244649
I want to connect to the internet through an ethernet cable and everything seems to point that I do not need to buy any dedicated hardware like the wireless network card required for... well, wireless internet.

>>60244793
500W is enough for basically any single-CPU, single-GPU build that doesn't involve 250W+ GPU or heavy overclocking.

>>60244828
>I do not need to buy any dedicated hardware like the wireless network card required for... well, wireless internet.
very few motherboards have integrated wifi

>>60244813
>>60244832
But if I decide to put another rx 580 with crossfire?
How much wattage would suffice?
For one rx580 it is recommended 500W, but 2?
1000W???

>>60244859
rx 580 uses 230w at load, r7 1700 uses around 120w (though it is very rare to actually use it at 100%).

A 700w for xfire would do the job. But why do you want to xfire? Both xfire and sli are in a pretty poor state right now.C

>>60244851
Thank you for answering but that is exactly what I said.

Wireless internet = requires you to buy a wifi adapter.

Ethernet = does not requires you to buy anything because it is already integrated in the motherboard.

I just wanted to confirm what I already knew, I'm building for the first time so I'm trying to cover everything that might go wrong however unlikely. Maybe it was my weird way of expressing myself due to english not being my native laguange.

>>60244915
Yes, all motherboards have integrated ethernet support

hm... I want to ask about keyboards... What do you guys use?
I'm looking for low profile keyboard with short key travel time, also silent.
I type a lot, rarely use mouse, so keyboard is most important for me.

>>60244880
Thought to try it out, heard about it for some years now.
>2 GPUs working as 1!!!!
is it xfire? Thought it's crossfire...

Well, my main OS gonna be linux, but for some software I still need windows in VM, would it be a good idea (possible?) to have secondary GPU and passthrough it to VM?

Not sure if I do this, currently I don't need graphics card on VM, but would be nice to know that I can.

>>60245000
>is it xfire? Thought it's crossfire...
xfire is the short way of writing crossfire
X is a cross

>would it be a good idea (possible?) to have secondary GPU and passthrough it to VM?
Yes, but i'm fairly sure you can (and are support to) do that without SLI / Xfire

>>60245019
>and are support
and are support to*

>>60245033
wow i'm bad at this
and are supposed to*

>>60245019
>X is a cross
Not in my dictionary, but whatever

Thanks for response.

>>60245104
well your dictionnary is SHIT

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>>60244130
WHAT BUILD

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2QMT7h

So I picked the 2400Mhz RAM because I didn't want to deal with Ryzen issues. Seems to work fine with all Ryzen chips.

Got the 1060 because it's the best 1080 card out there to my knowledge.

Thoughts on this build? My goal is to multitask a lot and game well.

>>60245224
Recommend 580 instead or Wait For Vega

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>>60244556
Na you'll just update later and get your RAM running faster. No big deal if it doesn't run fast the first day you put your build together.

This is just what happens
>motherboard manufacturers add workarounds to BIOS to improve RAM compatibility so most RAM will run faster.
>AMD releases microcode update to improve RAM compatibility. All those work arounds are invalidated and motherboard vendors have to start over.
>goto 0
this is the 3rd or 4th time the same thing has happened. The next BIOS update in a few days will probably have that anon running 3200 again. Or he can go back to the previous BIOS that ran at 3200.

>>60245000
>xfire?
>thought it's crossfire
lmfao

>>60245224
>Got the 1060 because it's the best 1080 card out there to my knowledge.
1. no it's not
2. RX570 4GB is all you need for 1080p@60fps. There's only a tiny handful of games it won't run at least 60fps maxed on. Worst case is that you have to drop something down to "very high" instead of maxed.

>>60245224
you're crippling yourself with slower ram. the issues are being fixed and if anything goes wrong it'll underclock itself.

rx580 > gtx 1060

>>60245113
I'm not here to argue about how cross looks like, but trust me, X is not a cross...

Cookie-cutter generic build #52443

R5 1600
B350M mobo
RX 570
8 (16?) GB DDR4 2400 RAM
SSD for boot
HDD for storage
550W (650W?) PSU
Case

Total about $800.

Is there anything immediately wrong with this?

>>60245329
higher frequency ram otherwise no

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>>60245328

>>60245305
Ah, so get at 2666 now if I see a nice deal and doesn't matter which mobo (long as its good)?

Sorry just never been a fan of playing with BIOS due to 2 accidents, well UPDATING it anyways.

>>60245329
At least 2666 RAM is nice as a minimum if it's not much more. 2800-3200 is ideal.
And make sure you get two DIMMs, obviously. Dual channel.
Just use SSD for storage as well instead of buying a HDD. GB/$ drops as you go to higher sizes.

>>60245328
This is the best troll I've seen all week. The rest of /g/ is slacking.

Can anyone help me out? I want to upgrade from i7 2600 (non K) to a Ryzen 1600X and I'm wondering if it's worth it. Sadly I can't find benchmarks that compare a stock i7 2600 (non K) to a 1600X.

Mixxed usage, from gayming to video editing and streaming.

Are hybrid hard drives a meme? What are they even used for?

>>60245479
In theory, they combine the best parts of SSD and HDD. In practice, especially now that SSD prices have come down, there's no real reason to get one. Just get a cheap SSD + HDD.

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>>60245318
>>60245305
>>60245294

Swapped out some parts. I'm just going to put the OS on the SSD. I can get an HDD for games and stuff.

1600x should be fine for gaming and multitasking, plus I can OC it.

Picked better RAM.

Thoughts?

>>60245460
just get a 1600 and OC it
and yes it's worth it due to
>video editing and streaming

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>>60245318
>>60245305
>>60245294
>>60245602

My bad, forgot list.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MNjN7h

>>60245460
It's not nearly as worth it compared to if you were only on 4c/4t. But that's still old, and clocked low.
You'll get new features like M.2, PCIe3.0, USB 3.1, etc.

Obviously for video editing and streaming, it'll be night and day better.
Gaming will be significantly better, but I doubt your gaming experience is terrible as it is even on a non-k 2600.

>>60245602
post pcpartspicker dummy

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Yay or Nay?

Coming from a i5 2500k @4.2Ghz and GTX 780Ti.

>>60245377
>>60245430
Not the same anon but why? Most google answer go for tl;dr versions of "faster is better".

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>>60245460
Yes, it's worth
https://youtu.be/vQ08Iz6lYbY?t=1m6s
Clear lead in some titles and close in some others. And this was a launch benchmark done on an R7 1700 which performs slightly worse than an 1600(x). Note that this was done on the higher clocked 2600k and not 2600.
And especially if you do video editing (picrelated) and streaming, the 1600 is ahead of even the 7700k, and it manages that lead even though the 7700k is clocked at 4.2 - 4.5GHz

>>60245627
Why x370?
Why R7 1700X, do you make use of the extra cores?

>>60245673
>>60245617
>>60245609

Thanks I'm going to order a 1600X, they are frequently on sale here in Germany.

>>60245612
>paying the cuck tax for
>Ryzen optimized (tm)
>RAM
lol no. Just get cheaper RAM. If it only runs a bit slower than advertised, it's not a huge deal.
>cheapo MSI GPU
ehh.. Get the Red Devil if you case can fit a card that long, or the Gaming X one.

And spend the $30-$40 more for a 500GB SSD or you'll regret it later. Just get the SU800 or MX300 instead. They're 97% as fast and reliable.

>>60245627
>Nitro+ not Nitro++
why settle
>MG278Q not MG279Q
COME ON stop being a cocktease

>>60245646
For some reason no tech analyst has really done a good test. I've seen DDR3 tests where fucking retarded monkeys like Gamer's Nexus test 1 DIMM vs 2 using DUAL RANK sticks.
But it's just something that's common knowledge and "duh" for anyone that knows how hardware controllers work.
For gaming, single channel vs dual can be over a 20% performance drop for the same given speed. It especially hurts minimums when shitty code suddenly needs a lot from memory and it bottlenecks on one stick.
There are some Ryzen videos on youtube that have single dimm vs two where you can see it.

>>60245673
Holy fuck I hate that "reviewer".
Annoying as music.
Ugly as shit graphs.
No real data. Just averages.
Please never fucking link that again. No source is better than that source.

>>60245736
>Holy fuck I hate that "reviewer". Annoying as music.
???
>No real data. Just averages.
???????????????
The graph i posted is the number of FPS each CPU did in their ffmpeg x264 test

>>60245715
>Why x370?
More reliable OC?

>Why R7 1700X, do you make use of the extra cores?
[spoiler]I'm a german Youtuber with a niche community (50k subs) and I need fast video editing.[/spoiler]

>>60245729
Ya I got my 1600X for $220. I'm so happy. This performance for this little money is nothing I ever imagined. Like I've been following Zen since 2013.. but I thought it'd be like $450 for an 8core and $350 for a 6core.
Upgraded from a 2500k, though.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/foxhunt/saved/M2r8dC

I have one fan in the front and one in the back but I want to put one more either to the side or on the top but which would be better

>>60245751
???
in the youtube video you tard. wtf. The picture obviously doesn't have fucking music.

>>60245767
How did you pay $280 for an RX570?
The rest looks like an ideal build besides the ugly case and no SSD, though.

Save some money by getting a Rosewill SRM-01 case, dropping the HDD, and getting a 500GD+ SU800 or MX300.
You could probably save another $50 waiting over a few days to find PSU and RAM sales as well to fit in the SSD.

>I have one fan in the front and one in the back but I want to put one more either to the side or on the top but which would be better
Side fans are pretty crazy good for helping GPU cooling.
Since GPU fans blow onto the card, that scatter hot air all over the inside of the case that spread heat all over everything else. Side fans pull it right out.

>>60245736
I meant the frequency, until the posts I answered to all I've ever read about RAM was that it rarely (if ever) bottlenecks and to just get 8gb and move on and the frequency isn't even mentioned, this is the first time ever that I've witness anyone make a case for "better" RAM which is why it intrigued me.

>>60245825
Sadly in my country parts are a bit more expensive I guess that is one of the advantages of living in eastern Europe
But to the side it is
I am planing on getting a 480gb ssd and 8 more gigs of ram eventually if I find a good discount and I save a bit more money

>>60245825
>annoying as music
learn to write and maybe you won't confuse people anymore

>>60245838
ummm there are tests for RAM frequency on Ryzen. You aren't looking hard enough

tldr:
>2666 is the sweet spot, and sometimes almost 10% faster than 2133. But 3200 is sometimes 20% faster than 2133 in games, but other times hardly faster than 2666.
>applications don't usually benefits from the memory speed much
>There are very few games where it won't stay above 60fps with just 2666 RAM at 3.8GHz. Maybe Arma3? So yeah you don't need 3200 if you're not using a 144hz monitor and want the most framez possible.
>dual rank dual channel at 2666 can be faster than single rank dual channel at 3200. But sometimes isn't.
Still 2800-3200 is good to get if cheap because it's more likely to actually hit at least 2666. 2666 RAM you get might just run at 2133 or 2400.

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>>60245948
OH MY GOSH I MADE A TYPO IM SOOOOO SORRY!!!

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147258&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=EXPRESS050617&cm_mmc=EMC-EXPRESS050617-_-EMC-050617-Index-_-ComputerCases-_-11147258-S2A5B&ignorebbr=1

This a decent budget Case at $30? Promotion.

>>60245968
What does ram have to do with FPS, regular ram that is?

>>60245995
>What does ram have to do with FPS, regular ram that is?
the fuck kind of question is that?
Where do you think the data the CPU needs to perform operations on to make games run comes from? Only a tiny amount fits in cache.

You have a tool chest and a desk.
You can only fit so many tools on your desk that has the shit you're working on.
You keep having to change tools to continue to work on your thing, and you keep having to put other tools back because not enough fits on your desk.
The desk is the cache on the CPU die and the tool chest is the memory. Dual channel is being able to use a second hand to put more tools back and fetch more at the same time.

Nixeus 27" 144hz Freesync IPS is back on Massdrop for $400

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/nixeus-27-ips-144hz-freesync-gaming-monitor
It seems better than the Pixio but don't know for sure yet.

>>60246071
I understand the basics of Ram, but up until recently I never heard the use of regular ram relating to FPS.

I know the ram on the GPUs had something to do with it and resolution sizes. But had no idea regular ram also effects the higher end stuff. I always though 8gb-16gb was more then enough for any game and had nothing to do with graphics.

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>>60245673
>Comparing Ryzen to a 5 years old CPU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0S4Sp18cLU
delidded
5.3ghz at 1.42v with 3866mhz CL12
64c max cooled by Mora 3 radiator

>>60246220
Man, I really want a 1440p 144Hz IPS monitor, but they're expensive as fuck, especially the ones with G-sync.
I probably would have bought one if they didn't look like cheap gaymur crap.
Why does the whole gaymen culture have to ruin everything with their stupid flashy LED and shiny colored plastics?

does the Gigabite K5 mobo good? cause I heard the K7 is great but it too expensive for me

>>60246355
Not even an Intel shill, but enjoy having to delid your CPU every six months to replace the thermal paste, idiot.

>>60246252

Everything from your hard drive speed to upto your usb polling speed has some sort of affect on overall system performance. Naturally a lot of these things are (in practical terms) irrelevant but system ram bandwidth is one that can have a noticeable affect under the scenario the software you are using is sensitive to it. To a degree the more ram you have the less the available bandwidth matters under the assumption the software can actually address it all but there is straight up no downside performance wise to having more and faster ram.

How about this: if you can get really, really fast internet your download speed might actually cap because a traditional HDD physically cannot write the data fast enough.

Is 144hz gaming a maymay? Should I just a 60hz monitor and not worry about Gsync?

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Where should I get Windows 10?

>>60246457

From microsoft. Activating it though? Go ask Daz.

>>60246406
I saw the MG279Q go on sale for $400 last week.
I've seen one of those in person. The quality is pretty great. Absolutely worth it as long as you get one without dead pixels.

>>60246433
Eh. It makes things smoother. If you go from 144 you won't want to go back to 60.
But 85hz, 90hz, 100hz, 120hz, etc are all nice.
You will notice a massive difference going from 60hz to 75 or 85.
But going from 85 to 144? not as big of a difference.

I wouldn't buy a Gsync monitor though since it looks like Nvidia will be forced to adopt Freesync with how much the industry has been adopting Freesync. It's even coming to TVs.

Can people fuck off with the 7700k?

I don't know why people still follow that meme processor. I twas good up until 2 months ago when the Ryzen was released. Now there is no reason to buy a 7700k unless you're a hardcore intel fanboy or shill.>>60246355

What is currently the best thermal paste to buy?

Is it still Arctic Silver or is there something better?

>>60246477
who is Daz?

>>60246506
Sometimes it's a waste of effort trying to convince people how the advantage of 5 more average fps on average isn't worth its 20 drawbacks.
You just have to let them make bad builds and help those that can be helped.

>>60246566
No, artic silver 5 is garbage.
Cryorig CP7 or Noctua NT-H1, but there are a handful of others that are just as good. Both will lower temps about 10% over assilver 5.
There are some others that will lower them another 1-3% but they are harder to apply and/or will scratch your IHS and heatsink.

>>60246457
Buy a cheapo OEM key from Play Asia

>>60245838
Everyone used to say that RAM doesn't matter, but if you actually look at the benchmarks, Skylake performance is impacted by higher bandwidth RAM as well. Ryzen is a special case, because each Ryzen CPU actually has two CCX of four cores each, and the speed of the interconnect is dependent on RAM speed.

I fell for the RGB meme.
It's okay if I admit it, right?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v4bCcc

>>60246624
what does rgb mean?
is it leds or something for red green blue?

>>60246506
I'm building a 1440p 144hz PC. Is ryzen really better?

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>>60246624

Get some real headphones and a standalone mic.

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>>60245760
Higher OC even up to 4250mhz if you're using 9x140mm radiator.

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>Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB GDDR5 256 bit PCI-E 3.0 x 16 Windforce OC (GV-N1070WF2OC-8GD)

This thing is $335 on Amazon, cheapest I've seen for a 1070

Is there something wrong with this? Safe to get? I just wanna play 1080p/60 for a couple more years but slightly concerned that 580 will struggle a bit later on.

>>60246687
it's okay but the cooling on it sucks compared to other brands like MSI. or you can buy an EVGA as they have a step up / upgrade program where you can return the device and pay the difference in an upgrade in the future.

>>60246624
It's really disrespectful to waste /pcbg/'s time with trolling. There are people who need help.

>>60246687
Na they've been $310-$325.
Probably is when you add the cost of Gsync, it becomes not so worth it. Better off getting a 1080.
Stupid buy for 1080p 60fps. With a variable refresh monitor you get more longevity since dipping to 50fps is fine on them. And you get to enjoy higher framerates otherwise.

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I have autism over this but how do I bend this side panel on the bitfenix neos so that it fits flush with the case? I've tried bending basically all the ways I can to get it to fit flush, but I guess I'm retarded

i've heard that gigabyte cooling is shit, is it safe to assume that their aorus cards are bad as well?

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I'm gonna guess this build is shit, but would someone mind confirming?

My goals are some vidya gaymes, probably gonna be a Windows only machine. Am I wasting my money?

>>60246899
>i5-7600k and 1060 6GB
please read the OP and lurk for a thread or so before posting

>>60246566
Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.

>>60246618
http://www.play-asia.com/microsoft-windows-10-pro-3264-bit-oem/13/709747?gclid=Cj0KEQjw6LXIBRCUqIjXmdKBxZUBEiQA_f50PrLzRxg6H93yfN9QvYT71ob7ZLlra44q-BqBxC3iyTYaAi0f8P8HAQ&ref=froogle_us

THis good?

Final question, do I get it now or when I build the PC, do it on that one?

>>60246935
I'm a hardware brainlet, I've been lurking this general for a few days and I don't know how to separate the memes from the reality

>>60246959
then why did you select an intel processor?

please read the OP and come back with a new pcpartlist

>>60246980
Because I fall for jewish marketing schemes :'(
Imma try another AMD build, at least then they're sockets won't change every two minutes

>>60246959
it's a good thing literally noone from a few days has pointed out the OP as being wrong. direct quotes:
>>R5 1500X will keep above 60fps in almost every game. No i5
>>R5 1600 is the best value for higher fps gaming,
>>RX570 4GB - 1080p@60-90hz, running most maxed; older games at 144+hz
>>RX580 8GB - 1440p@60-75hz, inject SMAA and drop settings for some games

>>60246996
So what does this mean? Is this the correct info or the wrong info?

would it make sense to get the 1600 or futureproof myself with a 1700?

>>60247013
it's correct

>>60247013
the OP is right. there is only one case in which the OP is wrong and is that one intel shill OP who uses the same picture of the kid with 2 1080s playing minecraft.
if it recommends i5, and i3 over G4560, you can throw it in the trash.

>>60247023
both. Makes sense to get the 1600, but the moment you have the intention to futureproof and the 1700 becomes much more appealing.

>>60247013
the OP is right.
the best bang for your buck is a ryzen 1600
dont get the X's, you can OC them to the X level easily and save money

>>60246957
pls respond. Play asia legit?

>>60247072
>>60247056
>>60247040
Okay, thank you for the help, it's all a bit greek to me

>>60247023
Assuming you're talking strictly about gaming(and not, say, streaming), I don't really think 1700 makes much sense. Games are getting better threaded, but it's not happening very quickly.

But it's not THAT much more expensive, and predicting the future is always tricky.

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If I get a Bequiet Pure Rock with my 1600x I should be able to overclock without problem under 1.4v right ?

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It's >>60246899 again, this time with a non-intel build
Any criticisms/adjustments?

>>60247089
People love to recommend a 1600 because you OC it and it's the best value.
But I can tell you probably won't be able to figure out how to OC and lots of /pcbg/ don't accept that.
So just get the 1500X or 1600X if you don't want to figure out overclocking, as much as people will tell you to just get the 1600 since overclocked it's the best value.

>>60247095
Many games have been well threaded for many years now, except for shitty outliers like Far Cry primal. People just like to lie. >>60246356

>>60247145
140-180w TDP cooler is good for 1.35-1.425v while staying quiet.

>>60247153
Get at least 2666 RAM and dual channel.
Also get a semi-modular or modular power supply.
And get that a board that has wifi built into it.
Why the fuck do you need an optical drive? And ideally you'd get a 250-525GB SSD.

>still no rx 560 releases

REEEEEEEEEE

>>60247182
Add two NF-F12 iPPC-3000 to the heatsink for best results

>>60247182
>But I can tell you probably won't be able to figure out how to OC and lots of /pcbg/ don't accept that
I think I probably could figure out how to do it, I just know that I hate taking risks with hardware, so I definitely won't.

>>60247182
>Get at least 2666 RAM and dual channel.
>Also get a semi-modular or modular power supply.
No questions here

>And get that a board that has wifi built into it.
Isn't external better, since I can replace it, or no?

>Why the fuck do you need an optical drive? And ideally you'd get a 250-525GB SSD.
I have a lot of music/games on CD from way back when

>>60247182
>Many games have been well threaded for many years now, except for shitty outliers like Far Cry primal.
The 7700k is still the performance king in most games. Just because 4 threads is no longer enough doesn't mean you'll need 16 anytime soon.

Is logical increments still good?

>>60247300
no

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Hey /g/, this is a concept build I made for a new gaming PC. Going to be mainly playing shooters on it as Overwatch, R6: Siege and Battlefield 1. Is this a decent build or have I got meme parts?

>>60247309
damn

>>60247319
Also I will try to overclock the 1600 to 3.9-4.0 Ghz.

>>60247319
waterwooler is beyond overkill
That x370 is unneeded
Aren't there cheaper 250GB ssds around? From kingston or sandisk?

>>60244880
I would pick 750 or 800W unless you are picking a very high-quality gold-cert psu unit just to be on the safe side if I were doing that. Though I would generally advise against crossfiring since it rarely gives twice the performance of a single card.

>>60247344
Is the cooler overkill even if I OC to 4.0 Ghz?

>>60247236
12 is good tho.

Worst case scenario is that you have 8 for the game, and 4 left over for other applications on your computer, while everything is overlapping with a 4c/8t.
But as you can see, all those older games are utilizing the 12 threads fine.
7700k wins on averages, sure, but averages is useless. 1600X wins on minimums, consistency, and being able to do shit not having to disable Steam updating games in the background while you're playing since you have tons of resources left over to both play the game and let steam do its thing.

On my 4c/4t machine I can't watch twitch on one monitor while even playing something like cities skylines. On my 1600X while watching twitch the game loads in 15 seconds versus like 3 minutes. The 2500k keeps locking up and shit and it's fucking awful. I have to close everything out to play games on the 2500k.

For someone that just uses their PC like a console, sure the 7700k is fine. I'd rather have something completely overpowered and not have to worry about shit.

>>60247319
Pretty good build but:
Drop the HDD and get a 500GB SU800 or MX300 SSD instead.
Get a better RX580 like the Red Devil GS, Nitro++, or GTR-S.
just get a fucking non-meme cooler like Le Grand Macho if you need a big cooler.
You could get a Seasonic 550RM PSU for cheaper.
You could spend $120 more and get a 1440p 144hz freesync IPS instead. You should get 70-120fps fine, at least at "very high", in those games you play at 1440p with that GPU.

>>60247374
140-180w TDP is all you need for 1.35-1.425v

>>60247420
Alright, I'll make some adjustments.

>>60247374
Considering there's a 3°C difference between a water & high end air cooler at best, it is indeed overkill.

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My parents want me to build them a computer. We already have some parts but we still need the motherboard, cpu, ram and probably a graphics card. My sister will need this computer for graphics design pretty soon so it needs to handle that well. What are your recommendations /g/? I dont know much about low-line parts.

Someone else make next thread. I'm going to bed.

>>60247463
you didn't give a fucking budget.

Probably a G4560.
If budget is higher, a Ryzen 5 1400 would probably be good for them especially if you don't need to buy a GPU for it, as it doesn't have an integrated GPU like the G4560.

>>60247420
12 is definitely good, but I probably wouldn't go for 16 if all you do is game, even if you want a futureproof CPU.

>>60247463
>>60247492
Shit man my bad. The budget is around $350. I already have the case, power supply, harddrives, and I think i can reuse the windows 7 i bought from frys a while ago but idk.

>>60247524
Ya, I agree.

I could see things changing in a few years, though. I want an excuse to buy the 3800X or 4800X or whatever in 2019 or 2020 since it's the same socket.
I could have afforded to buy the 1800X now, but I just don't do video editing and stuff. 4c/8t was a bit too little for my needs (multi monitors, light compiling, heavy browser use, etc). 6c/12 just right for me.
12, is just super comfy too, man; a dozen. What a good number.
Might end up just upgrading to the newer 6/12c core later, who knows. With IPC and clock increases that could be plenty worth it. A dozen is just such a nice round number.

Looking for Suggestions on Case, CPU Cooler, and Mobo. 2500 budget.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yXXYBP

Is there any Ryzen Matx motherboards that can reliably hit 3600 ram speeds?

Is the motherboard Tom hawk B350 good?

>>60247698
just check the mobo's QVL and pick memory from there. it's guaranteed to work

>>60247726
Gets the job done

>>60247738
Thanks, anon

>>60246899
>>60247153
>DVI TO VGA
STOP
DO NOT
DO NOT
DOOOOO NOOOOT

I can't believe how much better the AMD shit is compared to Intel.

I had an intel 7700k / MSI MOBO. It was a combo purchase at BestBuy.

I used it for a week and browsed the internet and this thread. I noticed that whenever I was playing Overwatch my CPU usage was always at 80% and would hit 100% for all 4 cores if I was doing things in teh background. 144hz monitor.

I returned them both and got a R7 / AMD Mobo. Runs just as smooth as the 7700k I originally had but what I noticed is that across all cores I'm hitting 20-30% usage. Holy fuck, what a difference.

My case can use up to 7 fans (2x front, 2x top, 1x rear, 2x bottom) and I plan to use 5 fans (everything except bottom), is that a good idea?

>>60247978

You probably only need a single top fan to work as an exhaust.

>>60247947
post speccy or cpu-z

>>60248019
It's a new build.

im about to build my first pc today /g/. give me luck /g/

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html

What's a cheap, safe and reliable way to get windows 10?

>>60248154
*gives you luck*

>>60247681
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rsZ9LD

a tad bit over budget but you wont be
disappointed

>>60247726
yes

>>60248156
good goyim

>>60248279
buying it

Can someone recommend me a new Motherboard and excellent case for my i5 4690k, my old Z97-A completely broke on me and my case is just getting on my nerves. I live in the UK, I just need a replacement case and well rounded motherboard (for normal overclocking etc..)

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Can someone rate my build?

I want to replace the GPU with Navi (Freesync) later on, while I finish my old games backlog today.

>>60248156
Wait so they didn't show the Ryzen stuff at all? Did they add the explanation after posting the article?

>>60248417
>intel i7

No ones going to rate anything until you look at the OP and come back. If we're going to rate your build then we're going to tell you that you're making an obvious mistake. Get the R5 or R7 cpu.

Just got an i5 6500 and gtx 1060 6gb.

With games being more cpu intensive these days could somebody explain clock speed to me and what's required for games like planetside 2, h1z1 and Gta V ?

I've heard that i5's don't have a huge difference from i7's yet people say an i5 doesn't cut it for h1z1 and arma 3. also why do older less expensive chips have a higher clockspeed than the i5 6500?

>>60248422
they're literal shills

>>60248447
if he's using the PC for gayming the 7700K is a good option, that's literally what the OP says lol

>>60248447
7700k is still a good cpu lad

>>60248449
>Just got an i5
why? what price did you get for it?

>also why do older less expensive chips have a higher clockspeed than the i5 6500?
because clockspeed isn't the only thing that matters
also, product segmentation

>>60248471
>why?
Because last time I got an amd fx chip and had buyers remorse
>what price did you get it for
I'm from canada, you don't want to know.

>>60248447
>delided i7-7700k is good but bad value. A 1600X is probably as good/better for you

Especially since it is better with modded DX11 games. I have seen the benches, if I want to play Skyrim modded and Fallout modded, i7 is the best for me.

Are their motherboards that have less input lag than other motherboards? I am trying to look for a good motherboard for ryzen 1700 that can use ddr4 3200 ram that has no input lag.

There was a guy on overclock forums that made an old guide in 2013 about which motherboard had the least input lag

>>60248417
>i7
its shit, get a 1700 or 1600 instead