/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Previous thread did a lot of change to the OP, and i've noticed a lot of anti-intel shilling in the previous thread
Don't trust people that say "X is shit." without any argument
Will have to refine the OP a bit

>>60248610
get 1080 now or wait for Vega

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So I have been working on this build and I think this is the last time I want to get it checked. Main things I want to double check on is, is the cooler necessary? Should I stick with it, get a better one, or rely on the stock? Other than that everything I think is set and I am not building it for a bit to hope that prices go down and to see how the Vega does.

>>60248661
Vega is june 31 at worst
Up to you to decide if it's worth to wait. If you have a freesync monitor it is definitely, otherwise it's very unsure if it's worth to wait or not

Are their motherboards that have less input lag than other motherboards? I am trying to look for a good motherboard for ryzen 1700 that can use ddr4 3200 ram that has no input lag.

There was a guy on overclock forums named r0ach that made an old guide in 2013 about which motherboard had the least input lag.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1433882/gaming-and-mouse-response-bios-optimization-guide-for-modern-pc-hardware

>>60248661
wait

>>60248610
>Vega will likely be the best 4K GPU

Is everyone an amd fanboy here?

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If you would have this pc, /pcbg/, what would you upgrade in it?

>>60248683
fug, I do...I guess I can wait with my HD 7870 2 GB

>>60248703
previous OP being autistic, and i forgot to remove that

>>60248689
what do you mean wait? are you going to type up a big response to me in a few minutes?

>>60248683

>freesync 2 screens when?

Fuck sake panel manufacturers, get your shit together.

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>>60248726
that's not how you greentext but have a thumbs up for trying

might just buy an alien ware alpha, they look comfy.

anyone got one?

>>60248761
This is /pcbg/ anon

>>60248704
Everything

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XtPwXH

what would you change?

How much of an improvement is a GTX 750 over a Radeon 5770? I just want to play Hollow Knight silky smooth.

evrything but the hard drives

>>60248792
Get ryzen and wait for vega

>>60248792
nothing

>>60248797
Get a rx 460

>>60248812
fuck off

>>60248676
Don't bother with the cooler. Ryzen stock cooler is excellent. People have reported going +3.7Ghz on stock cooler.

And if you want a cooler, don't get that one. Upgrade to the 212 Evo or the H7 Cryorig at the very least. It is just $10 more.

>>60248792
Get a 1700x

>>60248812
is ryzen good at for 1440p 144hz?

>>60248792
I would not buy anything expensive from Asus because they have bad customer service and their return policy is shit, but otherwise ok.

>>60248855
no, not for 144hz. 7700k is the only CPU good at it.

>>60248778
yer but you can upgrade it

>>60248864
might as well build a pc from scratch then.

>>60248792
fuck off with intel shit, get a ryzen

>>60248856
which manufacturer would you recommend? EVGA?

>>60248879
stop doing that you fucking autist
He's playing at 144hz. No ryzen CPU can reach this framerate as well at the 7700k can.
Stop being an autist.

>>60248890
you're fucking kidding, right? you do realize that at that point the whole thing is dependent on the video card, right?

>>60248890
1800x can

>>60248876
WHATS THAT NOW ANON

>>60248890
In 1440p the bottleneck is the gpu so ryzen and i7 7700k have the same fps (+-10fps). And I recommend the 1700 or the 1700x no reason to buy the 1800x they all overclock the same (+-100mhz).

>>60248890
>No ryzen CPU can reach this framerate as well at the 7700k can.
>7700k
>144fps
wew

>>60248903
He's getting a 1080ti. It's not going to bottleneck at 1440p144hz.

>>60248907
It's much more expensive and still gets less FPS.

>>60248923
If he's doing a 144hz build, don't recommend a Ryzen, period. The 7700k is just straight up better at it and noticeably. Considering how retarded you sound i wouldn't be surprised if you were an Intlel fanboy trying to pass as a retarded AMD fanboy
Anyway, fuck off. He comes here to get good advice.

>>60248890
>he thinks 144hz is completely dependent on the CPU

>>60248945
nice greentexting, sure showed me

>>60248945
Who are you quoting?

>>60248959
>>60248970
>>60248970
AMD has been Intel prime rival but failed miserably back then in around 2011 when they released Bulldozer which is a disaster. That leads to Intel to heavily dominate the market, they become super lazy & at some point, evil, in the market. Now many ppl just want to shake Intel to the core so the guys will be back to business, and the CPU market is back to being healthy once more.

And AMD's live benchmarks have been very promising. How promising you might ask, AMD's $500 chip beat Intel's $1000 chip.

As a former user of AMD 10 years ago (now I use E3 1220v2), I have to say AMD isn't really innovative now, they're just playing fair, it's just Intel has been milking & idling for so long. Edit: For more info about AMD is just playing fair while Intel being too evil, AMD Ryzen development cost is only near 10% of Intel's development cost.

>>60249019
cool text dude

>>60248959
This mainly due to gamers who dont care much for more cores they just want FPS lots of it so single core which most games use is what there interest is.

Multi core these days is very important which many don't realize during gaming using many apps in background alt-tabbing ect. I think when Ryzen arrives mindset of many will change when they see when you use several apps Ryzen is awesome and way better at it then Intel.

This will take some time to sink in many mainstream BRAINS thats Ryzen is the way to go.

>>60248676
A gtx 1080 for 1080p75hz??? Spare some money and get a 1060 or 1070

>>60249019
Nice blog pal.

What desk/chair should I buy? Preferably from newegg or amazon

A lot of people may disagree with me, but I am getting the 1800X for gaming and a little bit of video editing.

I believe more games will start to use more cores in the very near future, and those extra cores will come in very handy.

Even if they don't the chip turbo clocks to 4.0 Ghz, and XFR's to 4.1, which I think should be more than enough anyway from the looks of the Ryzen's IPC improvements.

>>60249061
This is true, but this doesn't automatically means that a 7700k is worthless. Very few make use of the 8 cores of the r7 1700, and the 7700k achieves higher FPS (though at much much higher temperatures & cpu usage).

So it's not like the i5 7600k where it's a shit cpu from the start and should always be replaced by an R5 1600. The 7700k has it's uses

>>60249077
>>60249039
How long will it take for people to understand that these chips are power-houses, aimed at productivity and content creation above everything else? It's not aimed specifically at gaming but morons don't know this. Even with the extra single core performance, the 7700k is objectively speaking, an inferior CPU. It's not as powerful, period.

Funny part is, the people who argue for Kaby Lake are exactly the type of people who dream of owning liquid cooled 6900k systems. If you go up to a Intel Fanboy and offer him a 6900k and a x99 motherboard in exchange for his 7700k and Z270 board, those extra 10 fps won't matter to him anymore.

TL;DR - Idiots if you ask me...

>>60249090
That's what they said during phenom six cores and bulldozer were released.

More cores is just a meme.

damn what happened to the build thread?
one thread everyone praises the R5/7 and shits on Intel, the next thread everyone shits on Ryzen and praises Intel.

>>60249090
now you're just copying comments from reddit / youtube

>>60249105
>Even with the extra single core performance, the 7700k is objectively speaking, an inferior CPU.
I agree with this. But can an R7 1700 achieve as high FPS as the 7700k? Not really, so for straight up just high framerate gaming, the 7700k is often a better choice

>>60249128
No one is going to praise intel anymore

>>60249128
It was fine two threads ago
But one lad came in and decided to shill Ryzen to his maximum, and apparently no one dares to challenge his shitty opinions
He sees a 7700k -> instantly goes "wtf go ryzen 1700" without asking any further question or having any argument

>>60249105
There's a lot of problems with Ryzen right now. Motherboard issues, ram issues. Plus the average enthusiastic pc user does not use that many cores.

>>60248676

After you buy this, can you write a post confirming that /g/pcbg/ helped you pick Ryzen? i would really appreciate it.

>>60249197
Kek

>>60249128
normal amd shill tactics

No one actually buys AMD shit. We were already burned on the Phalanx and Bulldozer, who the fuck would be out of their mind to go for a third strike with the Ryzen? Intel has been beating AMD since the end of the dualcore days.

>>60249239
anon
it's obvious you're the same lad hard shilling ryzen stuff
hard shill ryzen -> then hard shill intel -> shit up a thread and enjoy the fights
i wonder if mass reporting would get you banned

what graphics card would you recommend that would go together with R5 1600 and two 1080 75/120hz monitors?

>>60249286
RX 580 / GTx 1070

>>60249286
Did you purchase the 1600 yet? If not, please post your receipt when you do

This seems like the best place to ask. Can someone recommend me a new router for gaming (preferably a cheap one) my current one Belkin Wireless Surf Router (F7D2301) stops me from connecting to people online when I play smash 4.

>>60249338
Absolutely. I will post my receipt after I get a video card.

whats the best cpu to get right now?

>>60249338
Yeah, it arrived in the mail yesterday!

>>60249385
R5 1600 for average person
The OP contains information about that

>>60249442
i'm just confused because some people say you dont need the extra cores, isn't that 8 cores? i dont know what to do.

>>60249405
Thank you for your purchase of the most affordable, efficient 8 core processor on the market.

>>60249385
holy shit guys please realize this question does not have a definitive answer, it depends on your budget and purpose
if on budget (read: lower than $700 or so) it's G4560, mid range R5 1600 and any higher than R5 1600 it depends on whether if it's used for games or not. games it's 7700k not games it's R7 1700

>>60249467
How is the 7700k better for games? Tom's Hardware is the only place showing that in benchmarks and they're paid off by Intel.

>>60249385
Buy a R7 1700

Just picked up a new ryzen 1700x to replace my 4790k. I'm currently waiting for my new MoBo and ram to arrive in the mail.

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I need a new case for my current build as the following, I want a case with some good airflow and great space for doing some cable mangement

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recommend to me a 1tb m.2 under $400 and i will reward you with a pic of my semi erect trooper

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>>60249450

The 1600 is 6 cores / 12 threads. For the price its a fantastic chip. Going higher core count is generally the domain of people who can use the extra threads or those with money to burn (like me).

>>60249502
if i create virtual machines will i benefit more from the one you have?

Please, for a second put away your dogma and tell me.

I'm from canada the terrible terrible wasteland where computer parts are 3x the price anywhere else in the world. So I'm looking for a midranged processor mainly for gaming (but for some audioengineering as well)

I have a choice between i5 6500 and r5 1600.

Please I dont care about your dogma, I dont care about intel and I dont care about AMD. I just want to know would the small price increase be worth it to get the ryzen 5 1600 (because I have to get a new mobo too)

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>>60249529

Potentially yes. Again it is all about usage case.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yMXJXH

1600X build. Not for me, but for a friend that can't be arsed to OC aside from getting the memory to hopefully 2933 or 3200.

Mostly looking for advice/experience/commentary on the most stable B350+Memory combo. Remaining parts will be fleshed out once that's settled.

>>60249501
hurry up i can only achieve one every few months

>>60249450
>i'm just confused because some people say you dont need the extra cores
The average gamer do because the alternative right now are i5, which near 90% usage in every game and often go at 100% for a very short time causing stutter
6 cores or 4 cores 8 threads (i7) do not reach such high usage. So for the average gamer, r5 1600 is the sweet spot.

>>60249553
oh should add i'm also getting the gtx 1060 6gb and ddr4 16gb ram 2133. Will it bottleneck?

>>60249553
>I have a choice between i5 6500 and r5 1600.
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m [Embed]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo [Embed]

>>60249587
Double check that the RAM is in the compatibility list for the mobo (or at least any similar kit from that manufacturer) just in case, scale down to 550W and don't forget that Ryzen doesn't have integrated GPU and you'll need one.

>>60249673
and it's better as a workstation? AND it can be overclocked? AND games are becoming more and more optimized for AMD and multi threading? And it's give or take cheaper all around?

Well, i'm sold.

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Reposting from previous thread - Can somebody help me bring down the price on this build?

It's my first, and I don't have much money to spend (maybe $1000 - $1500 including peripherals), but I don't want to sacrifice a whole lot of performance.

I'll be using it mainly for gaming, stuff like CSGO, Dwarf Fortress, Crysis, etc, preferably at or near 60fps.

link: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kYfnqk

>>60249673
If the 1600 is compared to an i5

What is the 1700 compared to? And any video benchmarks?

>>60249759
Pirate windows and put all your parts in a pizza box.

>>60249759
You can torrent windows 10 and talk to Daz

>>60249759
can't you buy windows keys for far less online? If you are a student by any chance or know a student ask them if they can give you their windows 10 license.

>>60249685
I'll double check the RAM; I went through so many kits trying to find a set that was QVL or near-identical that I may have picked the wrong ones. My eyes went a little cross with 20 tabs of RAM open.

He's pretty determined to get a GTX 1080, so I left it off the list. If a good quality 550W is sufficient there, I'll swap that in.

Thank you.

>>60249764
The R7 1700 is generally compared to the $50 more expensive 7700k, althought it should be instead compared to the 6900k because the r7 1700 is not a gayman cpu.
it loses hard in framerate to it, but has more consistent frame pacing (less stutter)

B250 mITX - 110€
Pentium G4560 - 60€
mITX TINY custom case - 200€
Very low profile cooler - 20€
GTX 1050 Ti - 100€
Total: 490€

X370 mITX - 130€
Ryzen 5 1400 - 200€
Silverstone Sugo SG13 - 60€
GTX 1050 Ti - 100€
Total: 490€

I chose the first option and now I'm starting to regret it. What should I do?

>>60249884
and it dominates it for productivity applications as it has double the core
But in gayman, it loses to it

>>60249783
>>60249790
>>60249825
I hadn't thought of this actually lol

Is the monitor overkill for a starter build?

Is there even any reason to get a pentuim 4 anymore for budget build gaming?

>>60249908
Why are you ragret?

>>60249908
>Buying a 200€ premium case for a poorfag 2c/4t celery CPU
You kinda deserve it desu famalam. Sell that shit while it still has some value and start over.

Is the MSI - B350 PC MATE mobo a good choice? There are only shitty alternatives in eastern fucking europe

>>60249908
Are you Ragnar?

>>60249909

That is why the higher clocked 1700x and 1800x exist.

>>60250109
The 1700X doesn't mean much though when the 1700 can be OC'd to its level

>>60249908
>picks 2c/4t instead of 4c/8t
yeah, you fucked up good
If everything is bought i don't think you can do much about it though.

>>60248676
for the love of god don't pair a gtx 1080 with that monitor. either go down to a 580 and pair it with a freesync 144hz monitor or get a g-sync 144hz monitor. also thats a pretty shoddy psu manufacturer get an evga or corsair. finally either stick with stock cooler or go up to liquid cooling because amd coolers aren't made like intel shill stock coolers

>>60249964
to be honest I don't need a better CPU than that, I was just obsessed with the extra litres I saved with that case. To put things in perspective, that case I ordered is about 3L in size.
But a R5 1400 would make it a little more future-proof, not to mention the AM4 platform is going to be around for a while whereas coffee lake support in 200-series mobos isn't even confirmed yet (although I'm pretty confident it will be)

>>60248704
probably just upgrade to a rx 460. but i would just get a new setup if i had the money desu

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What case do i get lads
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/HW83kT
I don't need anything flashy, just simple that wont destroy my shit

if i don't live in range of a microcenter, is there any ever deal for a previous generation i5/mobo combo at around the $300 mark?

i was kind of surprised at seeing previous gen and current gen intel models at around identical prices

>>60250235

As a rule Intel don't reduce prices - they just phase models out.

>>60250197

The Define R5 is the only /g/ approved case.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fjC4kT
Anything to change?

>>60250163
>whereas coffee lake support in 200-series mobos isn't even confirmed yet
>implying it will
Anon, I have bad news for you...

>>60250338
That PSU wattage is kinda overkill, 550 - 500w would be wiser
Otherwise looks good

>>60250338
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fjC4kT
get a define 5 case
change out that seasonic psu for an evga g2/g3 psu

>>60250287
Why tho

>>60249759
>gaming keyboard

Don't buy this.

is 16gb 2133mhz all you need for 2017 gaming?

>>60250521
At the very least 2400, especially for Ryzen.

>>60249759
580 8GB seems better than that 480 4GB for 1440p. get R5 1600, remove the cooler, get a B350M mobo and that should give you about enough for a 580.

>>60250521
get 2400, should be cheaper

>>60249500
>buying haslel
>in 2017
wew lad just buy ryzen

Which ryzen motherboard has the least input lag and why?

>>60250594
>for my CURRENT build

so is the tomahawk the best price/performance mobo for ryzen 5 1600?

>>60249919
Yeah I would go for a 1080p monitor with that setup

>>60250357
I bet my balls it will be compatible tbqh senpai

>>60249759
here

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RTTpnn

its not that much cheaper but it is way better

>>60250521
>>60250532
>>60250537
I got 16gb of 2133hz(?) ram for free, should i still upgrade?

>>60250627
taichi, best ryzen mobo hands down

>>60250360
Same PSU but 520w costs only 10 dollars less.
>>60250368
Define R5 and g2/g3 would be 70 dollars more. Besides I don't really see advantage in gettting R5 since I'm not planning to get more than that SSD. I simply don't hoard anything on my hard drive.

>>60249759
>CSGO, Dwarf Fortress, Crysis,
I ran those at 60fps on a $50 celeron G1840
All 3 crysis

>>60248610
Where can I buy Windows 10 for cheap?

So I'm confused. Is 3200 the best ram to get for Ryzen? And let's say the major issues get fixed.

Wondering because was about to buy 16gb (8x2) of 2666 ram on a nice deal, but with all this talk about ram fixing, wondering if I should go for 3200 instead?

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>>60248610
Headphones: SteelSeries Siberia 800
Mic: AT2020
Mouse: SteelSeries Rival 700
Keyboard: SteelSeries ApexM400

Processor cooled with Corsair Hydro Series H100i v2

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So why is this piece of shit computer running league at sub 60fps?

Even a toaster should run league at 60fps

-no memory leak
-installed aftermarket cpu cooler
-de_dusted it.
-no malware

is it the RAM ?

>>60250809
yes

>>60250809
>Is 3200 the best ram
The higher the better. 3600 & 4000MHz

>but with all this talk about ram fixing, wondering if I should go for 3200 instead?
If you do just regular gaming, no. High framerate gaming / video encoding / streaming, yes.
The performance boost doesn't change anything for good old 60fps gaming, but it's nice to have at things where the CPU is actually the limiting factor

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hopefully nothing is doa

>>60250833
i regret buying the siberias because the mic is awful, absolute dogshit. comf headphones and nice quality of life thing tho

>>60250835
The RAM is fine, considering your CPU is at 64°C i'm thinking of a CPU thermal throttling.
How are the temps in game?

>>60250737
why?

>>60250859
what are you buying anon?
don't buy until we give you advices!

>>60250869
Same thing, never reaches 70.

I've done alot of research on the fx chips, and they #1 run notoriously hot (but are fine running hot) and #2 are inaccurate in temp readings.

But, you're thinking its cpu throttling? It acted like this, at the exact same temps before with the stock cooler. Perhaps a defective chip?

>>60250859
what costed that much?

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>>60250835
>single channel ram
>no ssd
>idling at tmax

just guessing.

>>60250884
>>60250896

u guys gave me a lot of advice :)

i appreciate it from all of u

i pulled the trigger on this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/26Z9LD

with a WASD keyboard

>>60250882
becuase its the best you retarded aspie

>>60250894
>Perhaps a defective chip
Possibly
I was running at 120~FPS with a $50 celeron, 1333MHz ram just like you & an R9 280

>>60250859
>inb4 i5 based prebuilt pc with "custom" Razer case and watercooling.

>>60250902
>u guys gave me a lot of advice
>i7
you got trolled

>>60250902
nice
enjoy, anon

>>60250412

It can handle a billion drives, any type of cpu cooler you can think of, is sound dampened and has an understasted asthetic. In addition to that is is also generally held together with thumb screws which means no screw drivers needed to change its internal layout around.

I have the R4 (same case but with a little less utility) and love it, but the inner pleb in me wants to buy a Dark Base pro 900.

Is it worth getting an SSD in 2017? And if so what's a good price/storage to buy?

>>60250899
The single channel ram, i figured as well. But it's league of legends, the toasteriest of toasters can run it at 60 fps. (I run 60fps untill teamfights, turning down graphics doesn't really help)

>no ssd
I have to be honest, I'm not really educated on this

>idling at tjmax
Well, yeah that's the main problem, it's why my computers acting like junk. I mean I cleaned off the thermal paste well when applying the new heatsink. And with the stock cooler it was acting the exact same. New cooler didn't help

>>60250918
might as well be that

>>60250937
>Is it worth getting an SSD in 2017?
If you want your PC & games to load faster, yes
If you're doing productivity tasks like video-encoding, music production (so working with big files), it's also worth
otherwise it's not really needed

>>60250727
no

>>60250937

>Is it worth getting an SSD in 2017?

It is great for those delicious boot times (while lol windows you can get some linux distros like fedora to boot in under 10 seconds).

>>60250964


>games to load faster,

To be fair most games that see the biggest beenfit from SSD's are huge filesize wise which is somewhat limiting if you get a 256 or 512gb drive.

>>60250924
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/26Z9LD
i want 144hz !!

>>60250952
I ran an 8120 for 4 years and found the best cooling is c-type with 3K Scythe Ultra Kazes blowing over the motherboard and mosfets.

Monitor your temps, minimize the number of tasks running parallel to your gaming, get an ssd so that you're not limited to the shit io of spinning drives. Just a few things to consider.

Why do people always mention RAM frequency and not latency for Ryzen builds? Does latency not matter anymore? Because at least with Intel, 2666Mhz CL13 is a better choice than 3200Mhz CL16, for example

>>60250916
that's the thing, there was a time when i first built this computer many moons ago, i was getting 200fps in league. At first I thought the problem was between keyboard and chair, then I completely factory reset it, installed speccy, and it was still running like crap.

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What's the expectation for midrange Vega cards again?

1070 level but $50 cheaper? $100?

>>60251000
Lower latency is more expensive

>>60251003
any driver updates recently? Try rolling back to previous versions

>>60251019
Yeah, their are. But it hasn't been working well since 2013. I mean none of this is a huge problem i'm building a new PC as we speak. I just really really really really want to solve this mystery its been killing me for 4 years.

>>60251003
The game did change a lot in the meantime. If it's the CPU limiting you, you'd get shit fps even at the lowest graphical settings, so try that

>>60251000
Ryzen is made in a way that the communication speed between each CCX (group of cores, every Ryzen CPU has two groups of core) is tied directly to ram frequency. So the higher your RAM frequency is at, the more powerful your CPU becomes
Also, increasing frequency lowers the latency, so even if you get shit timings it's still fine because you'd go from 11.0ns to 11.2 at worst which is a pretty small tradeoff

>tfw your current system runs on a i3 530 from 2010 with slow ass ram an hdd that's almost dead and a radeon 5750

can't wait to upgrade lads

>>60251010
we have no idea of the pricing

In the OP
>>Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined.
what the fuck does this mean

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>>60250999

This let me push 4.7ghz on a motherboard never rated to handle such power draw. I also have a similar setup for my crazy clocked 290x to keep vrm1 (i.e the hot one) cool enough to feed 1.4v into the core.

Is the Scythe Kotetsu any good?

>>60251182
cute fractal design
why not a 120mm fan?

>>60251172
if you were going to spend 90 on SSD and 60 on HDD, you are advised to spend 150 on SSD

so i have everything attached except my harddrive

i had ordered this one and i dont know which cable is supposed to go into it. i dont think my power supply came with the wire

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MwW9TW/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex

>>60248661

I was going to buy a 1070 but I've decided to wait. The fact is when you build a good PC you'll have it for a good 5-6 years, so it's worth waiting a month to have a potentially better 5 years. Plus, from what's come out so far (bear in mind alot of it is unverified leaks) it looks like it's going to be a bretty gud card.

Any Canadians have experience with Vuugo? Legit? Take too long?

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>>60251182
mine back in the day

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>>60251230

>why not a 120mm fan?

Two main reaons-

1) I didn't have a spare 120mm fan at the time
2) That 70mm fan or so fan is off the stock 8320e cooler and is a lot thinner than your typical 120mm fan which gives me the clearance to the back panel I need.

I used to have a fan from the 8350 stock cooler that was an rpm monster until I accidently destroyed it - that thing at 100% would spin so fast it actually created enough lift to, well, lift itself off a desk.

The entire setup though has been replaced by a ryzen build which is superior in every single front but I do fondly remember overclocking my little vishera chip to just shy of thermal shutdown.

>>60251336
fellow leaf here. How do you convince yourself PC gaming is worth it? when you're paying 1300$ for mid end builds?

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What is everyone getting from their r7 1700 overclocks? Ive got 4.0 at 1.45 right now. 1.35 and 1.375 failed. Letting prime 95 run for a hour to see how stable it is.

4.0 is nice but I kinda want to walk it down a bit just to get my voltage down to 1.35. Using an aio water cooled I had lying around. Turns out if you leave the plastic parts on the board next to the cpu the side connectors work I didnt even need a new bracket. Might have been the am3 bracket.

>>60251362
>mid end
middle of the road i guess would make more sense

>>60251362
>quad core cpu
>16g ram
>ssd
>1050ti

total ~600$ CAD, you don't need more than that.

>>60251362
>$1300 for mid end
high-mid end builds are 800-900USD

Can I use my Windows key on multiple devices? I bought a Windows laptop recently and was curious if I could use that same key on my desktop.

>>60251381
go to PC part picker, pick out a USD middle of the road build.

Then click Canada on the drop box at the top right corner of the screen.

>>60248685

I havent seen a mention about this yet. All the b350 should have a direct ps2 connection. And if you are that concerned about gaming just grab one of the big gaming motherboard companies.

We are probably not even halfway through the memory crap right now I doubt anyone has looked that closely at input lag.

>>60251369

Do not run over 1.42v - straight from Robert Hallock's mouth that is where AMD sees degredation in the chip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZgpHTaQ10k

My 1700 does 3.9ghz on 1.330v or so but 4ghz simply does not happen regardless of voltages - I can't pass IBT at 4ghz even when feeding 1.45v into the chip.

>>60251377
if you want to play older generation games yeah sure. Or if you want to play new(ISH) games at low settings.

Then I guess.

why are people saying the 1700 can't hit 144hz?

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>>60251362
I've come to terms years ago that our dollar will never be good and that waiting for it to settle anywhere near USD isn't worth the time.

That's why we work to afford luxury... right?

>>60251462
Even when our dollar was on par with USD we were paying 2x the amount for computer parts

>>60251420
>>60251420

Mine is solid. I thought it failed a second ago but windows was fucking me by shutting the screen off.

Going to walk it down though I doubt I will even notice the difference in real world.

>>60251500
>>60251420
>>60251369

What about the soc or whatever. The non corre cpu voltage? I saw the amd guy discuss it in the video and went with the 1.1 he mentioned.

>>60250501
It's just a regular keyboard that calls itself "gaming," as far as I know-

>>60250534
Any mobos at that price point that look as nice?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gsC4kT

thoughts? any tweaks or maybe big replacements i should be thinking about? about to order this shit.

1440p (70hz but looking to upgrade to a higher refresh rate soon), just looking to run games at high/max settings at 60+ fps for the next few years before having to get serious upgrades.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fQkWd6

Thoughts? I know that 750w PSU is overkill but G2 550w is only marginally cheaper. I'm going to use this PC for playing vidya at 1080@60 fps.

why are people saying the 1700 can't hit 144hz?

>>60251729
because it can't? people ran benchmarks and the card is subpar to intel's top of the line for extreme performance in video games

for most other use cases it's better

>>60251550

1.1v is a good upper limit - 1.2v is not reccommended.

>>60251651

Looks good I am using the 3200 memory now. One of the xmp succeeded at 2933 and the 3200 one failed. Might try to manually dial it in at the higher speed later when I am dont overclocking the cpu.

>>60251651
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gsC4kT
should not do a 1600 if you're planning to upgrade to a higher refresh rate soon

unless you also want ot upgrade your processor

>>60251761

Running 3.9 1.35 and 1.1 now. 62.25 C after about 15 mins of prime 95 raping all my cores. I might wait an hour and keep this. Could try to dial the voltage down a bit more if I have time later but mostly I am happy with this.

>>60251729
Neither the 7700k and 1700 can hit 144hz. So it doesn't matter.

There were some bench tests done with various games but going at a shitty game like league of legends, the 7700k was able to hit 218 frames compared to the 1700 which hit 201 frames.

As you can see there really isn't a difference between the two although the 7700k is hgiher by 10~ frames in most games.

>>60251786

> I might wait an hour and keep this

And the rest. If you want to ensure a 100% stable will-never-fail overclock you'll want a good 12 to 24hrs of prime95 stable. I live dangerously so 8hrs of prime95 is stable enough for me.

Unlike gpus cpus are held to much, much higher standards in the consumer space. A gpu can be afforded to crash and reboot - cpus not so much.

>>60251840
10 frames is a lot.

>>60251840

So, if I want to use a 144Hz refresh rate I'm basically fucked?

>>60251710
looks good to me

>>60251651
Also looks good
R5 1600 can do 120fps pretty easily, but it has trouble getting to 144hz / keeping it constant
That western black is for entreprise (it has less vibration & better longevity), you might want to save up some money and get a regular 2TB instead of a western black one. Note that Western Digital Blue is not the same as Caviar Blue (it's much slower)

>>60251858

10 frames when it is the difference between 200fps and 190fps is nothing. 10 frames when it is the difference between 20fps and 30fps is a lot.

Point is, context matters.

>>60251871
The 7700k is the one that will have the best chances of hitting that 144hz and manages to hit it in a lot of games.
And no you're not fucked, 120 ~ 130fps doesn't look awful on a 144hz screen

>>60251871
If you want fluid 144hz you will probably have to wait for newer stuff to come out. If you want to get as close as possible to near stable FPS at that refresh rate, get the intel processor. If you want something almost as good but better in other areas if you're rendering or multitasking, get the Ryzen.

>>60251906
>>60251901

Thanks, I'm a different guy to the one who was asking before. I'm looking to get a Ryzen 1600 and was hoping to play at 144hz. Is that feasible?

>>60251930

Not if they're recent games. If you want to play League of Legends at 144hz, then yeah.

>>60251930
No. 120 yes, but 144hz is pushing it too much.
Now if we're talking light games like LoL, Counter Strike, Rocket League, pretty much any cpu can hit that
but not in AAA, you won't hit 144

>>60251930
The Ryzen at the moment won't hit 144hz but it will almost hit it, but Intel won't really hit 144hz either. Most people probably won't notice much of a difference between the Ryzen 1600 and the 7700k when your FPS is that high on a 144hz screen.

I would say get it unless you absolutely want the most frames and don't care about anything else, in that case you'd want the 7700k. But the 1600 can perform almost as good and is $100 less and excels in multitasking compared to the 7700k.

I would get the 1600

>>60251944
>>60251956

Ok thanks for the tips, I was looking to get the 1600 anyway so I think I'll stick with that. So if I'm on a 144Hz monitor and playing Battlefield 1 for example will i atleast get 60+ FPS?

>>60251930
If you end up getting the 1600, please post a pic of your receipt here stating that /g/pcbg/ helped you decide on your purchase.

Anyone else find used gpu prices retarded? You can find good deals on used cpu, mobos, and other component and even combos if you wait enough but gpus are always retarded expensive even for 5+ year old ones.

>>60251982
What GPU do you have/ plan to have?
The R5 1600 can achieve well over 60, but your GPU might not. Which one is it?

>>60251984

I won't lie I only decided on the 1600 because of /g/, I was originally set on the 7600K. Will post receipt here.

>>60252002

I had originally planned to get a 1070, but then thought I may aswell wait a month or two and see what Vega has to offer.

>>60251930
I play Overwatch and I'm able to hit 200 FPS at 1440p / 144hz. I have an 1700

>>60251984
anon please stop this

UK fag here. I haven't got time to build my own rig (I have a full time job, family all that shit) so I'm getting the below built for me. I've put the majority of the components into pcpartpicker and it looks like I'm only being charged about £45 for it to built for me and sent.

Can anyone give me an opinion on my choice of components? This is the max end of my budget.

Intel Core i5 7600K 3.8GHz Quad Core (Socket 1151)
2x Crucial 8GB (1x 8GB) 2133MHz DDR4 RAM
ASUS PRIME B250-PLUS Intel Socket 1151 Motherboard
Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO CPU Cooler
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 Windforce 8GB Card
Aero Cool LS5200 White Gaming Midi Tower Case
Corsair CX750 Builder Series 750W 80+ Bronze PSU
3 Year Collect & Return warranty
Adata SU800 128GB 2.5" SATA III SSD
2x Cooler Master SickleFlow (120mm) 2000rpm Case/Cooler Fan with Blue LED

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the disconnected USB3 internal is trigger me

>>60252126
>i5 7600k
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m [Embed] [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo [Embed] [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo [Embed] [Embed]
Bad choice, it hits almost 100% usage in any AAA game. And that's on benchmark systems with no programs running in the back except frame monitoring software.

Please send the pcpartpicker link.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QyvdWX
Building this for my cousin's son, he'lll mostly play CS:GO & Overwatch and you got it. Even 570 is an overkill for him but oh well. That Samsung monitor also has PLS panel, 72hz and supports freesync. Goes around $160 in my shitty country

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>>60251265
left is sata, comes with mobo
right is sata power, it's ALWAYS from the PSU. It cannot not be there.

i dont know whether to get intel or ryzen.... 80% gaming... 20% other stuff...

>>60252177
prolly just go ryzen since it's cheaper

>>60251172
>>60251252
Wish BnH photo didn't fuck up and sell out of their 750gb SSDs for $120.

Would be lucky to even find a 500 for around that amount now, and been watching promotions like a hawk unless somebody found something somewhere.

>>60251265
I grabbed this in a pinch after my 4TB SeaGate Hybrid drive was DOA. Surprisingly fast considering its just an HDD. Looks to be a good pairing with my SSD.

>>60252166
>Goes around $160 in my shitty country
Which country?

>>60252177
What other stuff exactly?
Most likely ryzen is the better choice but knowing what exactly you do is important to make sure

>>60252143

Thanks for the heads up. I haven't got the pcpartpicker thing saved anymore, unfortunately.
What would you recommend that's in the same price range then?

An anon answered my question in the last thread regarding windows 7 and 10 and asked what my build was,

The processor I'm going with to start is an Intel - Pentium G4560 but I plan to upgrade to a R5 1500x at some point over the next year or two.

I guess that answers my question on whether I can thumb my nose to 10 though

>>60252217
outsideo f gaming I am getting certified so I do create virtual labs like making a server virtual machine ontop of several windows 7 / 10 OS's. My fiance will be doing a bit of photoshop / CSS and other stuff as well

>>60252238
The R5 1600 that is being shown in said benchmark is a great cpu. Comes with a decent quite silent cooler, 6 cores 12 threads so it never hit 100% usage in gaming, doesn't heat much if at all.

>>60252259
you def want ryzen if you're multitasking with VMs

>>60252259
>making a server virtual machine ontop of several windows 7 / 10 OS's
Then go Ryzen all the way
You go R7 1700 and you have 8 cores 16 threads which should be plenty enough for your VM stuff
You go 7700k and you have 4 cores 8 threads which is pretty shit for VM stuff (compared to 8 cores), the only advantage of going 7700k would be 10% higher framerate in games but that comes with the huge tradeoff of 50% less core. Not worth it at all.

>>60252238
I appreciate that. Nice one anon

so i put everything together(cables included) and hit the power switch and nothing came on. i dont know what to do /g/

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>>60252311
you didn't forget to do this did you?

>>60251393
pls respond

>>60252343
yes, you can

>>60252311
Confirm the PSU is plugged in.

Also confirm the power switch on the PSU is flipped to the on position.

If both are true, and all your connections are correct you may have a doa PSU.

>>60252357
thank u sir

>>60252331
im pretty sure i put them in the right place but ill go ahead and take a look

G4560 / RX-560 for a poorfag build? Yea/nah?

>>60252392
yeah

>>60252385

Like the other anon mentioned that front panel slot is easy to fuck up. Also, make sure you plugged the cable from the PSU to your motherboard. Sounds stupid but I forgot to do this on my last build after getting distracted.

what're the best vr headsets? is the vive still the best?

'upgraded' somewhat from AyyMD to Intel.

I got a 1151 socket board and want to know what's the best price to performance ratio for a CPU cooler?

And what's better 2x4GB DDR4 ram sticks or 1x 8GB ram stick?

Thanks

>>60252512
What CPU do you exactly have?

>And what's better 2x4GB DDR4 ram sticks or 1x 8GB ram stick?
Two sticks give dual channel, a theoritical double the ram bandwidth.

>>60252521

Generally speaking though most plebs need not worry about dual vs single channel. If it is tri or quad channel you most certainly are doing something that benefits from it.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1349-ram-how-dual-channel-works-vs-single-channel?showall=1

>>60252521

Thanks will get 2x 4GB then, even for any minimal pros

I got a 4770K, came from AMD 8320

Any cooler recommendations or is stock cooler enough, not going to overclock.

>>60252538

So I should get whatever one is cheaper to get? Is it no difference or minimal difference.?

I'm in need of a benchmark that takes a midrange card like a 1060 or 480 and does a CPU benchmark. So a list of CPUs showing what FPS they get in games with those midrange cards

>>60252548
>is stock cooler enough, not going to overclock.
The 4770k doesn't comes with a stock cooler and will heat too much for it.

The Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO should be good, though they are some better choices at around the same price range.

>>60252331
i connected the power to the jfp 1. is that where it goes?

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>>60252573
yes
also i just realised the previous picture i posted was not related

>>60252566

Hmm if only there was a website where people compare GPUs , CPUs in different type of scenarios or in different games.

Hmmmm I wonder

>>60252591
so its supposed to go side ways?
left to right as opposed to top bottom?

>>60252600
link it

>>60252565

>So I should get whatever one is cheaper to get?

Generally yes.

>Is it no difference or minimal difference.?

That is were you need to do your own research. There are advantages to dual channel (and effectively no downsides) but if there is an added cost over single? Hmm.

>>60252605
yes

>>60252605
>>60252643

I think you may have just solved this mystery.

>>60252605
note that it's important that the cables go to the right pins
just plug the power switch cable(s), don't bother with the others until you make it work

>>60252682
>>60252679
>>60252643
so i plugged it in and this time an led from my graphics card turned on. but nothing else happens

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Name me the best budget case in the world with 2 fans for less than 50 bucks, or I'll eat your souls!

>>60252700
no fan spinning?

>>60252702
pizza box + any 2 fans

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zc6pnn
rate my build bros

>>60252700

Re-check every cable coming from your PSU, ensure that every component that requires power has the correct power cable plugged into it. Make sure there are no connectors on the sockers which are left empty, i.e. no 4 pin connectors in an 8 pin socket.

Make sure your motherboard has the power cable connected, and do another check on the front panel connectors.

>>60252729
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zc6pnn
Why an 1800x?

>>60252600
Of course there are a million one them but I'm having trouble finding a CPU benchmark in modern games that isn't using a 1080 or 1080ti. I want to see how the CPU bottlenecks the GPU. If a 1080ti gets 100 fps with a i5 and 150fps with a i7 will a 1060 get 80 fps with an i5 and 120fps fps with an i7 or will it get 80 fps with an i5 and 80fps with an i7.
Basically is it percentage, a hard limit, or is it going to be different in every situation.

>>60252567

Thanks will checkout some YouTube videos

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>>60252729

>>60252729
overpaying/10

>>60252712
A pizza box is not best.

>>60252729
Seagate a shit.

My RX 480 was off but I spilt some water near it and a few drops flicked on to the back of the GPU where all the pins and exposed bit is, I wiped it off by dabbing a tissue lightly, I haven't turned it on yet.

Will it most likely be okay?

>>60252825
He's right, a cheerios box is far superior and can fit most m-atx builds.

>>60252825
it is for $50. you can get two pretty nice fans

>>60252849
yeah just wait another day just incase

What does the "OC" next to the ram types/compatibility?? If I buy a 3000, i still have to overclock the ram or something? Will more motherboards come out where this isn't the case?

>>60252849
yes but make sure it dries.
let it rest near something hot for the night, blow hot air on it for 2 - 3 minutes
o-or sleep with it...

>>60249385
HyperPentium -> R5 1600 -> R7 1700/7700k depending on your budget and need for COARS

>>60252872
>If I buy a 3000, i still have to overclock the ram
Yes
The rated speed of a RAM stick is there to indicate that it can reach that speed for sure, but by default all DDR4 are at 2400MHz and nothing over it is considered an overclock. You'll have to use the XMP/DOCP profile in the bios that will put the RAM to the same voltage, latency & frequency it is rated at.

>>60252894
Thanks for the heads up.

what's the advantage of overclocking ram? is it necessary for a 7700k?

>>60252894
>and nothing over it is considered an overclock.
everyhing over it*

>>60252916
>what's the advantage of overclocking ram?
More memory bandwidth, which usually lead to small fps in gains (very small). Some games that are coded like shit benefit highly from memory bandwidth (fallout, skyrim & anything on that shitty bethesta engine), and APU (cpus with integrated) also benefit from pretty high gains with faster ram

Ryzen CPUs also get a big boost with faster RAM
It is not necessary, and next to useless for a 7700k

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hey /pcbg/ im looking for the CHEAPEST pc build that will utilize a 144hz monitor effectively at 1080p

>>60252894

>all DDR4 is 2400Mhz by default

Genuinely didn't know this.

>>60252731
>>60252710
k it turned on. im downloading windows as we speak. the led case fans arent turning on though

>>60252979
>the led case fans
That's because just like i instructed you to, you didn't plug them on JFP1
You can plug them while your PC is running, refer to this picture yet again >>60252591
There's two cables, one is + and one is -. I'm fairly sure the + is located to the left, but i might be wrong. Try either.

>>60252979

What was the issue in the end?

The case fans need to be plugged in to the correct places on the motherboard as they can draw power from it, rather than through the PSU. Which motherboard are you using?

>>60253012
>What was the issue in the end?
He didn't plug the power switch cable was the issue

What would be the cheapest build to run the latest RPG Maker, emulate everything from SNES to PS2/Wii, and run PC games from point and click adventures to Deus Ex to GTA: San Andreas?

I was thinking of getting the Skull Canyon NUC, but maybe that will be overkill?

>>60253012
>>60252999
yeah thats probably it. also when it finished downloading windows it said "windows could not complete installation. to install windows on this computer restart the installer

>>60253030
I also want to run a hackintosh setup, so it has to be Intel.

>>60252942

Anon is wrong but not by much. The official JEDEC spec for DDR4 is 2133mhz. Anything over that is considered and overclock and has to be validated by the chip manufacturer, memory manufacturer and motherboard manufacturer.

In practical terms the highest speed officially supported is 2400mhz for Intel (depending on channels/density) and 2666mhz for ryzen (again, depending on channels/density). Some motherboards support higher clocks but that - strictly speaking - eats into the engineer safety margin of cpu IMC.

Rzen for example tends to cap out at 3200mhz (though some kits are good for 3600mhz) whereas skylake/kabylake can - on the toppest of tier boards - take nearly 4000mhz. Naturally there are additional factors (voltage, silicon lottery to name two) but it is doable. The hard side of this is anything over 2400mhz (Intel) and 2666mhz (ryzen) is considered overclocking which means you can kiss your warranty goodbye should a cpu fail when running sach clocks.

For ryzen the taichi and crosshair are the two best boards for high clocks but even now (May AGESA pending) require tweaking as 99% of ram over 2133mhz is technically tweaked for XMP which is an Intel based overclocking profile (understandably ryzen reacts differently).

>>60253034

Check your motherboards diagram, it will clearly state where the case fans should be plugged in, if not in the main front panel socket.

As for Windows, I guess just do what it says and see what happens. You have your HD/SSD connected properly?

>>60253071
>You have your HD/SSD connected properly?
yeah it recognized both

So, do I need a R 1600 for a consistent good old 60fps/1080p or a 1500x (or even 1400)is enough for that?

What ram and motherboard should I get with ryzen 1700?

>>60253082
both 1500x and 1400 are enough for that

>>60253068

Thanks for the explanation.

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Upgrade the GPU after Vega comes out to something mid-range, and then upgrade the rest in 1-2 years?

Mainly used for games at 1080p/144hz and some light video rendering.

>>60253071
also i apparently put my ram in slots 2 &4. i thought i was supposed to put them in alternating slots to use dual channel

>>60253160
that seems reasonable
if you can sell cpu + mobo + ram though, you'd get a higher price by doing it right now. And an upgrade to an R5 1600 would be noticeably better.

>>60253182
It depends on the mobo but yeah that's usually how it's done. Check speccy / CPU-Z to see if it says dual channel or single channel for your ram

>>60253182

You are supposed to put them in alternating channels.

Is Windows installing yet?

>>60253210
it installed it still is say this message>>60253034
every time i restart. i cant seem to load from the usb again. it is an msi mobo btw

>>60253244
you might have a wrong iso.
What version of windows is it?

>>60248610
As someone who has had their Corsair H100i v2 RMA'd once already, and just submitted another ticket due to this pump yet again dying/malfunctioning (weird pool smell filling my room and a clicking noise,) you should really put "don't fall for the AIO meme" in the OP.

Quality Air Cooler > AIO
Don't fall for the A E S T H E T I C meme like I did.

>>60253198
I've been thinking about selling it actually, but I live in a really shitty neighbourhood and prefer not having these people in my house because they all want to see it running.

>>60253254
windows 10 education. i used the windows creation tool and used a key. also i have not connected to the internet yet

>>60253268
>>60253312
>>60253312
>>60253312

>>60253068
So 2666 is safest and most reliable with Ryzen? Thanks with for the heads up anon, will probably screencap that post or something.

>>60253324

If your motherboard says it is good for xyzMHZ on certain kits hten that is what it is good for. 2666mhz on ryzen - assumnig your kit is rated for that or more - should be easily doable by setting a default profile. Myh own RAM is rated for 3200mhz but it simply will not boot atr that using the standard profile offered by the crosshair hero because my kit is not on the QVL. If I fuck with the external clock generator I can clock it way above 2666mhz but that isn't exaclty a "fire and forget" setting.

How much RAM is truly necessary these days?

Is 8GB good enough if I were to play solely on 1080p?

>>60253440

8GB is enough for gaming right now, more if you want to do photo/video editing as well, but gaming you are good.

>>60253440

As a rule RAM usage is independant of resolution. Vram (i.e what your gpu packing) does have a correlation to resolution.

>>60253440
>>60253476
Ehh, I've had limitations with 8gb before (playing Rust for instance). If you can afford it, definitely get 16gb.

fucking stock fan on the g4560 is loud as shit. First time i made a computer, how do i find a replacement fan (they exist right?) that is much quieter. I hope i dont have spend like 100+ on a fan like shit i saw at best buy

>>60253605
cryorig h7 30 bucks

I hear Battlegrounds requires a very high end graphics card? Could a GTX 1060 do well with it at 1080p?

>>60253862
I have a 1080 and get from 20-150 fps. Varies depending on how many people are around you, and where you are on the map. Primorsk gets the highest FPS I've seen in the game, I've gotten 150 there. Yasnaya gets like 40-60.

A 1060 should do fine though, you should really get a steady 60+, I usually maintain above 60, however it does dip below, and often.

The game is unoptimized.

>>60250990
and you wont get that, all you will get is stuttering shit

>>60252729
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mcKsf8

this one is better