/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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First for ryzen.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NHN8wV

thoughts?
i already have the 970 from my last build

AMD VEGA

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1544741

>>60144646
MX300 is good too.

>>60144820
Nice.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b3bmHN

I want to do 1440p 144hz gaming and VR. Thoughts?

I think I could get a smaller SSD and just get an HDD for most things. I really want to get high quality parts if possible, but I'm willing to go cheaper if they're of the same quality.

>>60144845
>1200MHz when the server card is 1536MHz
hmmm

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NwfQ9W

Opinions?
Previous thread advised me to switch to a cheaper HDD, a better cooler and a different SSD.
Still haven't made those changes yet though.

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>>60144903

Its totally legit I swear!

>>60144820
>No 7700k
>No 6700k
>Literally the most expensive Ryzen CPU
>Against a fucking 2500k
>On a literally-who garbage game
I don't even know if this is false flag chilling at this point.

>>60144896
I'm a dumb idiot and fucked up the graphics card on that one.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zBZVTH

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/fjc9QV
Will be used for playing and streaming video games, and also programming. Country is Denmark.

I play Black Desert Online and OverWatch.
Resolution 1920x1080 at 144Hz.

I need help deciding on a motherboard and maybe a monitor aswell.

>>60145012

>D14
>on a 1600

You don't need such a monstrous cooler for the chip unless you absolutely need to put 1.42v through your chip to hit 4ghz.

Not sure if this belongs here or /sqt/, but I'm looking for a little advice. I have a 6600k and I want to push the overclock on it. Currently it's sitting nice and cool at 4.2ghz but I'd like to push it a lot higher, maybe 4.6-4.7ghz (can 6600k do 4.7 comfortably?)
My question; I have an MSI z170 sli plus. The vrm heatsinks are very small. Should I be concerned about motherboard temps when pushing the clocks? I'm running an atx mid tower with 2 x 120mm intake fans and 1x 120mm exhaust btw.

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I have this RAM laying around the house and I have no idea what to do with it. Can someone help me make a build that utilizes this? pic related
>G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400 (PC4 19200)

>>60145171
why not just sell it? Ram prices are fucking insane at the moment. You could charge barely below retail price and people will buy it out of desperation.
Also:
>make a build for me with no context, use case, budget, preference or thought from my part
no.

>>60145220
because i want to reuse the RAM. could you at least recommend me a CPU+GPU combo?

>>60144820
>1080ti is 4k ready!
>proceeds to barely get 100fps in SLI @ 1080p

>>60145277

That isn't how scaling works anon.

>>60145220
>no context, use case, budget, preference

>>60145268
Intel Pentium G4560
Gigabyte GA-Z270X-Gaming 9 EATX LGA1151 Motherboard

>>60145291
That suggests 50fps at 4k.

>>60145328
Why an EATX Z270 mobo?

>>60145344

Again, that isn't how gpu scaling works - it isn't linear.

What are the non-shitty ATX cases right now?

S340 Elite looks nice but I don't really like the 3.5" drive mounting (no rails, no rubber, no fans).

>>60144941
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NwfQ9W
are you archiving important data like video projects or whatever that require a shitload of writes? Then a wd black isn't worth it. And even then, you'd probably be better off going with an enterprise drive of some sort.

The cooler is a great price, but IIRC ncix charges a lot for shipping most of the time, and superbiiz is weird to me so i generally don't shop there. So unless you can get free shipping from ncix, or can get another vendor to price match, I would choose a different cooler.

Here's my take: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R4gvkT
bam. Saved you over $100. I also used an m.2 sata ssd to save you some cable management. It's the same price as the standard 2.5' drive, check for yourself.

>>60145439
I have an s340 non-elite with a 3.5" hdd installed and it doesn't make any noise and the temps are good. Just don't go shaking your computer like an unwanted baby and you're fine.

Hi friends, looking for a case that everything will fit in. Needs to have at least one optical drive, and I don't care if it's Full or Mid Tower.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/83Rrf8

I have these two options:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jWv3vV
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zRJdwV

I live in Argentina so the prices are somewhat fucked and the Intel combo is 16% more expensive than the AMD one (ignore the prices in the sites).
Will use for gaming and programming.

Which one should I go for?

>>60144998
>"""""""Premium""""""" quad cores
>in CURRENT YEAR
you need to leave shlomo

>>60145507
I'm not from the US so my fees are going to be different anyway. Just using pcpartpicker since it's good for making lists.

Thanks for the suggestions though.

>>60145548
would recommend amd one, programming (compilation speed) scales very well with cores and programmers tend to multitask a lot where the r7 1700 wins again at
go for it

>>60145548
go for AMD, gaming isn't your sole thing you do and compiling will benefit from more cores, also the 1700 isn't a housefire

>>60144941
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yvRrf8
you really don't need a WD black and samsung ssds are overpriced

>>60145622
wasn't there the guy who said java compilation times were 30% slower on ryzen than his old i5? someone posted screenshot in the old thread

>>60144824
BLEASE RESBOND :-DDD

>>60145277
Can you read moron?

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>>60145639

>>60145639
>>60144824
i'd go for asrock mobo and higher frequency ram but you're good.

>>60145690
thanks!
sadly i can't afford higher freq ram, i wanted to go 8gb 3200mhz but then i realised 16gb will be better on the long run

So I just bought a new GPU, hard drive and case because my computer was in desperate need of an upgrade and because I'm a pleb I've bent the pins on the motherboard's CPU socket. I know it can be fixable and it's a solid mobo but it's 5 years old along with the CPU and I'm tempted to just get a new one, buuuut, that would mean getting a new CPU, which is annoying because it still compares pretty well to the latest Intel line (I've got an i5-3570k).

So, is it worth getting a second hand mobo so that I can keep the CPU, or would I be better off buying both of them new? I'm looking at getting the i5 7600k

Plus do mobos really matter that much? a lot of the ones with the LGA1151 socket are pretty expensive so I'd probably go for one which was less than £100.

>>60145634
Previous thread advised me to switch to a cheaper HDD and a different SSD.
>Still haven't made those changes yet though.
The only cheaper one I could get from the place I intend to buy from is a CRUCIAL MX300 with a similar capacity and the difference is 20 bucks.

Worth it?

>>60145708
i dunno man i can see 3200mhz ram starting from 114$. the same kit you picked but 3200mhz is only 10$ more.

>>60145220
>make a build for me with no context, use case, budget, preference or thought from my part
>include all of those
>get 1 reply after you quote yourself 4 times with PLEASE RESPOND

>>60145590
oh. you can set pcpartpicker to your region most of the time, and it will use your local currency and show prices based on vendors that will ship to you. Same goes for >>60145548

>>60145518
You only have 2 hard drives, 1 graphics card. Really any atx mid will fit all your stuff easily. You could even get away with microATX with a different mobo. I guess the HAF 912 usb 3.0 is a good choice if you are looking for something cheap with good cooling.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DtQmHN I took the liberty of changing some other things. Take my advice or not on these, up to you. As5 was the best a long time ago but it's not any more due to all the other things out there. Outdated meme. M4x spreads a little nicer in my book and I get good temps with it. PSu I thought was a little overkill, I picked ram that was $25 cheaper and only 200mhz lower. You could probably get it to 3200mhz easy with some manual tweaking any way. Acx3.0 cards are poorly designed with dangerously hot vrms. Under worst case (like, extremely specific) scenario they have a chance of catching fire.

>>60145363
Why not? It will run your RAM as you asked. If you want any better, be more specific.

>>60145837
Only includes my dumb youger brother as a country, sadly.

Whats the best video card to get if you aren't planning on overclocking and not going 4k for a while?

>>60144790
This build is for 1080p, and I don't really play AAA games at all. How does it look?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZytvkT

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https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/MHfQ9W

ROAST ME

I'm split between:

Asus X370 Prime Pro (166€)
VS
Asrock X370 Taichi (257€)

I don't really need Wi-fi nor the extra features of the Taichi, but I plan to OC my 1600X as high as possible on air and I'll be using 3200Mhz RAM.
I also plan to upgrade to a new AM4 CPU a few years from now, so long-term UEFI support is a factor.

tl;dr
Is the Taichi really worth 90€ more than the Prime Pro?

>>60145935
we already repsonded to that in another thread
also, stop using roast me, this isn't reddit

>>60145935

Is a ferrari F40 worth it over a ford mondeo on a tusday in siberia?

Sorry for reposting this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zBZVTH

What should I change? Anything? Should I buy it?

>>60145935
I'd roast you but your processor already is at that OC.

>>60145773
get 3000mhz or even 2666mhz and overclock it manually, usually works fine. My gskill 2400 kit is sitting at 2666mhz and all I did was enable xmp. Save money but you will have to learn a bit is all.

>"I have this RAM laying around the house and I have no idea what to do with it. Can someone help me make a build that utilizes this? pic related
>G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400 (PC4 19200)
>because i want to reuse the RAM. could you at least recommend me a CPU+GPU combo?
>>make a build for me with no context, use case, budget, preference or thought from my part
>include all of those
>get 1 reply after you quote yourself 4 times with PLEASE RESPOND

I'm sorry, but I don't see a budget or use case in any of these. All you said was you have some ram lying around and want to put it in something. What are you using the computer for? What are you looking to spend? Do you want to save money? Max price /performance? Look good? Don't care about looks just cram in hardware? Are you gaming? programming? Video editing? Web surfing? Artist? Rendering? Give me something to work with here cmon.

>>60145998
1440p 144hz maxed out is the goal btw

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>tfw amd doesn't have a cuda like framework for neural network shenanigan's

Feelsbadman.

>>60145960
No one commented on the factors I mention on my post. "get board X" is not a discussion. For instance, posts like this >>60145968 don't address any of the concerns I raised and incite no useful dialog.
At least this one is worth a kek >>60146001

>>60146025

You still leave out way too much information.

Do you need the extra I/O x370 provides? Do you have a million drives? Do you plan to sli/crossfire? How long to you estimate you will keep the build?

>>60146024

They have that Bozman initiative or whatever it was called.

Anyone here who has experience with the Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3??
It seems there isn't much to read on this specific mobo, not in forums, no real reviews, etc.
If anyone here has it, please tell me what RAM you're using and how compatibility is. Also, how's your OC going?

>>60145935
the x99, z270, and now x370 Taichi branded boards are gaining a lot of popularity, so I imagine Asrock will want to put a lot of effort into maintaining the product line's reputation. That said, Asus builds a pretty damn solid UEFI. Their budget products are shit, but their high end products have a lot of R&D time in them.
There's nothing wrong with eh Asus Prime Pro though. The taichi is expensive because it has ridiculous power phases, leds, and a lot of i/o and other features.
If you're really torn, go with the asus because that's a lot of dough when either board will suit you fine it seems.

>>60145929
It looks great for AAA gaming, so even better for non AAA
Just so you know, the PSU is overkill, a 550w or even 500w would suffice.
The additional case fans also aren't needed, and could be spent for a CPU cooler which would actually make a difference (in case of OC, otherwise both don't do that much) and still get used for your next CPU

>>60145935
I agree with what >>60146096 said, but do note that Asus glues the backplate to the mobo.
Yes, completely retarded, but just that you know. Some say it gets off pretty easy without much effort, others say you need to heat up the glue with a hairdryer or whatever.

>>60145998
Nothing, is a great very high end build, no flaws

>>60146138
Thanks for the feedback.

>>60146157
Thank you. I will purchase it now.

You've all been great for getting it to this point!

>>60145770
pls help

>>60146063
>You still leave out way too much information.
I state clearly in the post I need nothing that the Taichi provides over the X370 Prime Pro.

I don't have a million drives.
I might SLI/crossfire a few years from now.
I plan to keep the build for as long as possible as long as AM4 is supported. I state in my post I plan to upgrade to newer AM4 CPUs down the line. I also plan to OC them, where the Taichi might come in handy over the Prime.
I also get the feeling a more expensive mobo from AsRock has a better chance of UEFI updates to support later AM4 CPUs than an ASUS mid-range board, but I might be wrong about ASUS long-term support and that's why I'm asking /g/ for opinions.

>>60146096
Thanks for the input anon. You might also want to read my reply above for more info. Specially on the long-term support of ASUS vs Asrock.

>>60146152
You mean I need to actually unglue the plate to install, for example, the H7 cooler in my build?

>>60145998
>founders edition in a huge atx case
fucking why?
Also there's a ton of places where you can save money without losing any performance here. but I'm not sure if you want to save money or just get maximum luxury. Also not a fan of that case, but case choice is subjective.

>>60146193
I'm open to any and all suggestions. Which graphics card + case would you recommend?

If I won't save more than $300ish, I'd like to stay at maximum luxury if possible.

>>60146223
I'd also have to change the motherboard too, right?

>>60146178
>You mean I need to actually unglue the plate to install, for example, the H7 cooler in my build?
Yes. This is true for any cooler that doesn't use the premounted AMD backplate but comes with it's own.

>>60146371
Yeah you can buy an Xbox 360

>>60146371
>$200
Get a console.

>>60146371
for 200$ it's better to buy used dells and adding a gpu

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About 4 years ago my friend helped me build a high end custom PC. He picked out the parts and him and his dad built it for me for free. I still have this computer but it's starting to show it's age. I can't use VR, i can't play games in 4K and i can't play new AAA games anymore at Ultra settings. I would ask my friend for help again but we are no longer on good terms and i haven't talked to him in 2 years. Is there a way i can hire someone to look at my PC, tell me what parts need to be upgraded, what parts i should buy and for him to install the parts for me? Should i look for a local computer shop or is there a website i can go to?

>>60146420
i heard you can ask around on /g/ but don't quote me on that

>>60146364
I knew I had to use the backplate that comes with the cooler, but I didn't know they were gluing backplates to the mobos. Is this widespread or it's just ASUS being retarded on this mobo?

>>60146371
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1JA24KCAjE

Ryzen 1700 or 1700x?

>>60146452
It's Asus being retarded on AM4 mobos. Somehow they think screws don't get the job done.

>>60146502
1700

>>60146193
Not that guy but what's wrong with founders edition? Is it downright puny?

Can someone put together a full budget gaming setup in pc part picker for ~200$? Bonus points for seperate mouse and keyboard. By setup I mean monitor, keyboard, mouse et cetera

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What is a good case, motherboard, and CPU that are relatively cheap that also aren't complete crap?

I am trying to build a gaming PC for a friend so he can get away from console gaming. The problem is he can't afford to just right in like I did and will need to build into it.

I think I can reuse his RAM and HDD. I know better than to let him skimp on a PSU, and as long as he has video on his MOBO or an APU, he can always just get a $200 GPU later on.

>>60145998
Ditch the M.2 and get a larger SATA SSD. 128GB max if you just want a boot drive and you aren't doing heavy read/write workloads.

>>60146534
same card as aftermarket one but with shit cooler and more expensive

>>60146223
Again, case is subjective. If you like it, go for it. Personally though, if I was in the "fuck price, I want nice things" bracket, I'd go with the Phanteks Enthoo Lux if you like LEDs or the Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Atx Glass. I'm also partial to the Nzxt s340 elite for it's ease of cable management and installation, but I'm running much more modest hardware.
For graphics, just get literally any aftermarket cooler with an open shroud that you think will look nice. The FE cards are hot, loud, and can't hold a boost clock that great. EVGA's one is bretty gud and looks neutral.

As for price cutting, there's a lot of things to ask.
What are your storage needs like? Lots and lots of games and media? 500gb will run out quick. Just a few main games? 250gb ssd for boot and a 1tb hdd ought to cover you for years. I have that combo and after 18 months i've used 110gb on my ssd and 350gb on my hdd. But everybody's needs vary. The 500gb might be the perfect solution for you. I dunno.
Are you considering custom cables for aesthetics? If not, A semi-modular psu as opposed to fully modular is a great way shave a few bucks.
I was screwing around on pcpartpicker, and cutting the most obvious corners I only managed to drop the price like $100, but I typed all this shit out so I'm still posting it.

>>60146584
>Replying to a thread stating that you've reported or "saged" it, or another post, is also not allowed.

Enjoy the ban

>>60146596
What's the best 1080 TI?

>>60146632
Building ontop of this, the best 1070?

>>60146559
that's fucking difficult. First off, you need everything used.
Your best bet is to hunt on craigslist or your local equivalent (you said $ so I assume you're US or canada and can use CL), find an old ass "office" pc with sandy bridge or ivybridge i3 in it or if you can find something with newer or with an i5 that would be awesome. You can get them sometimes for like $50 or lower, but it's used hunting so your mileage may vary.
Obviously an i3 and igpu won't play games very well so you need a graphics card. This one might be difficult. The power supply in "office" pcs are usually weaksauce 320w units, so you need a low power graphics card. For anything relatively modern, this only leaves you with gtx 750ti, because the newer 75w cards probably won't be lying around used yet. You probably can get a 750ti for $60, or maybe $45-50 if you can haggle.

are sound cards worth the money?

im a bit of an audiophile and im looking at building a new machine. my motherboard is a Z720 xpower gaming with Realtek ALC1220 onboard audio. assuming that ive got high quality speakers/headphones is that good enough for high quality audio? or do i want a dedicated sound card? if so what card would i want?

>>60146632
The cheapest one with 2 or 3 fans and an open shroud. If you're buying a 1070 go this route because buying "oc" models is a scam.
If you're buying a 1080ti and the stock clocks aren't enough for you, the Asus strix one has 3 fans and a gigantic fuggin heatsink, so you should be able to overclock the snot out of it. If you aren't overclocking, the Zotac AMP! extreme has the highest out-of-the-box core clock.

If my PC alredy includes a big SSD (500B), I can take a basic 2TB Barracuda drive and there's no reason to got with a 2TB Firecuda one, right?

>>60146819
firecuda if you need to swap large ass (50gb+) files on a daily basis or if you need enterprise level warranty. otherwise yeah go with the cheapest 7200rpm drive you can find (as long as it's not a wd red or green)

>>60146759
Not really, you're way better off having a external DAC or some shit.
If you can get one for a cheap price (I got a DGX for 10 EUR), it's a nice addition, but for me, I need to move it to the most bottom slot, or else it picks up way too much electrical interference because
>NO SHIELDING

>>60146871
is a DAC different from a sound card? is so how are they different?

im a bit new to the whole HQ audio world so forgive me if i ask stupid questions. ive designed and built several machines but ive never focused on the audio attribute before.

>>60146930

99% of sound cards suck balls.

>>60145049
Maybe he doesn't want his CPU to go above 35*C?

>>60146930
All sound cards (including the integrated mobo sound cards) need to have a DAC to convert the digital signal to analogue.
What the other anon is saying is that a dedicated external DAC is usually better than a sound card. There are great ones for cheap, and the fact that their external means they're isolated from the electrical noise.
That said, a non-audiofile wouldn't tell a difference. Even integrated mobo's DACs have come a long way.

>>60146759
Headphone general will know more. It depends on your headphones (how much ohm's they require) and what your motherboard is.
Cheaper mobos have little shielding on the audio chipset and as >>60146871 said, interference. Anything including that audio chipset is probably fine though. If you DO have interference, you're better off with an external solution like a DAC/AMP (takes a while to explain. See headphone general or look it up) because you need to get your audio out of there.

I say don't buy anything until you've assembled the pc and tried a listen. If you find it unsatisfying, then start looking into a solution.

>>60146965
that supports what ive managed to find so far. every card ive found so far seems to have the same specs be it $10 or $300

what sound card would you recommend

Hi, I'm from Italy, EU
I wanted to make a server for plex (I will leave it in my room and connect to it with my phone or my smart TV), torrenting some videos and eventually hosting a terraria server... I was thinking about using Ubuntu minimal with xfce, ssh and maybe vnc

I thought about taking a pentium g4560, cause here its price is about 65€ and I don't want to spend more than 250-300€ for the whole server (it's just something I want to try out, not something definitive)
Can you suggest a motherboard for it or give me a hint about a good and cheap configuration please?

>>60146818
>>60146599

Thanks. How does this look now?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6zRrf8

>>60146995
>Cheaper mobos have little shielding on the audio chipset
>audio chipset
???
Soundcards don't rely on chipsets, the cards themselves just pick up noise like fuck.

>>60146980

Anything in the same performance class as a D14 will keep an overclocked 1600 nice and cool - many of which cost significantly less (as Noctua do try and keep their reputation as a premium brand). Even then some of the larger single towers will bem ore than enough to keep the chip way, way below nuclear inferno.

>>60147011

>what sound card would you recommend

None, listen to >>60146995

>>60147039

>AIO that isn't the EK predator

lol. Get an air cooler or get the predator.

Probably very stupid question but still: are many cooler models compatible with AM4 socket? how should i choose?

Well shit, I just found out about the whole G-Sync/Freesync business.

I actually planned to pick an Nvidia GPU with my new PC, but seeing how exensive those G-Synch monitors are makes me think.
Is either of those technologies a big deal? Is it worth switching to AMD because of it?

>>60146857
Thanks man, I think I'll just go with the cheapest drive then.

>>60147064
> lol. Get an air cooler or get the predator.
bleagh that's $200 and not on part picker... i guess i'll switch back to using the nocturne.

other than that is it good to go?

>>60146995
>>60147064
sounds like good advice. ill wait until i can do a real sound test and determine from there.

>>60147039
I could nitpick a little more, but it was never a bad list to begin with. I've been a poorfag until a couple years ago so I always want to slash out costs lol.
Also I think some custom cables (cablemod does great stuff, but there's a lot of other vendors) would realllly look nice in there. You've got a nice aesthetic going on with just some subtle rgb's on the cooler and the graphics card.

>>60147064
>lol. Get an air cooler or get the predator.
okay, changed it back to this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MCk2NN

thoughts?

>>60147118

Yeah pretty much. The main reaso nI suggest air over those AIO is for 99% of AIO to outperform the likes of a D15 they have to be noisier (primarily by fan speed) which somewhat defeats the point given you can crank the D15 up if you want the extra cooling at expense of noise. At the end of the day air cooling is more reliable and more versatile.

>>60147089
without brackets no
with bracket: noctua, be quiet, corsair, cryorig, and quite a lot of other ones

>>60147166
so all of those popular coolers are compatible with those new AM4 mobos?

>>60147151
Thanks, I'll look into that!

I still need to buy a desk, chair, monitor, keyboard, mouse and the whole shebang... but I'll probably go shopping for that next weekend.

>>60147182
yes, but they might not come with the am4 bracket, you might have to ask for one through their support.

>>60147118
>>60147064
the predator is nice but the x62 is also a great cooler. There isn't a whole world of difference in their performance or build quality. Most people top out their 7700k at 4.9-5.0ghz, which the x62 can handle easily. Maybe if they were going for balls-out overclocking at crazy voltages i'd recommend switching, but you're probably better off going custom loop at that point.

>>60147221
thank you

>>60147185

> still need to buy a desk, chair

If you have any places nearby that sell office surplus they are a great place to check for good chairs and desks at hefty discounts (because they are used). Don't fall for the gaymur chair gimmick either.

>>60144790
Should I get this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RKhj4D/crucial-mx300-11tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ct1050mx300ssd4

or

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam
and
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MwW9TW/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex

?

>>60147064
Not that dude, but for a case I was recommended a Fractal Design R4 ATX mid tower, but the Asus 1070 seems to be a bit big for it. Any ideas, man?

>>60147025
Can anyone pls help me out?

>>60147156
Honestly I think the reason a lot of people don't pick up the d15 is just those ugly fans. But guess what? You can swap the fans! Though the added cost of that puts it in the same price bracket as some of the more affordable water coolers like the h100i gtx

>>60147273

The R4 can take just about any gpu in existence with the drive cage fitted. Even those monster length sapphire hawaii and fiji based cards that are something like 310mm long fit in fine.

will a waterblock for a 1080 work with a 1080 TI??

>>60147310
I normally don't do this, but did you try googling it? because I did. And the first result gives you a pretty good answer. You might want to check with the specific maker of the block though.

>>60147266
For the M.2 price you could get HDD + SSD + SSD as cache for HHD and you wouldn't see any difference for your loading times, while getting incredible speed to your HDD + another SSD for the most important stuff that enjoys speed
M.2 are more for professionals that need the absolute most speed to avoid any possible loading time and access very fast their files.

>>60147432
which SSD models should i be looking at?

>>60146930
A DAC simply converts a digital signal to an analog signal.

A sound card will do the same thing, but may include other features such as different output types, interference shielding (which is less of an issue with external DACs anyway), integrated amplifiers, or hardware-level sound manipulation such as Dolby Virtual Speaker or equalizers.

Generally speaking for non-placebo sound setups, the first thing you need is to ensure you have the right connections for your setup (3.5mm, 1/4", 5.1/7.1,etc), the second is sufficient power delivery (amplifier if necessary), third is no audible intereference (generally, audible static). At that point you've basically peaked in terms of sound quality.

Hitting all of those criteria might mean that motherboard integrated audio is sufficient, and if so you shouldn't buy anything else. It might meant that you need to add a DAC or soundcard to get the right connections or to eliminate interference if the motherboard is noisy (mine is). It might mean that you need to add an amplifier (or soundcard with amp) if you require more power (for high impedence headphones or similar).

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>>60147103

>>60147495
all my connections match up

ive got an amp for the hadphones (at 250 ohm they need it). and the speakers have an amp built in.

and i have to wait until after ive built the pc to know if the MOBO creates noise or doesnt TX at a high enough quality.

>>60147476
the samsung you linked is pretty good, here is a guru3d review about it
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/samsung_850_evo_ssd_review,10.html

>>60147562
Do you play CS:GO, Quake, fighting or racing games? If so get a high refresh rate panel.

>>60147562
i'm writing!

>>60147103
>1080p
yes go freesync with an amd card.
>1440p or above
amd's current hardware besides a Fury X will have trouble driving it beyond 60fps. Maybe when Vega launches. It remains to be seen though.
>4k
hahahah.

>>60147103
>Is either of those technologies a big deal?
It's not a big deal, but it's a very nice plus to have. Screen tearing really kills any smoothness, even for high framerates monitors, and v-sync is really bad for input lags and extremely bad if your framerate dips (it will refuse to send a frame if it's not completed before the monitor refreshes, so if your framerate goes under the one of the monitor v-sync will just feed the same frame twice, effectively halving the FPS for a short instant which will cause a noticeable stutter)

What card were you gonna go for? Currently AMD has no card to compete with the GTX 1070 & higher (well there is the fury x for the 1070, but it's an old card and it runs very hot so it's not a good choice at all).
If under 1070 then yeah you can go AMD, their cards compete well below that point.

Also, you should look out for AMD's new vega cards that are coming soon (this quarter so June 31 at worst), they will be high end cards competing with 1070 & 1080 at the very least and we've already seen a prototype card with drivers that are not adapted for it compete with the GTX 1070 in doom. Rumors says announcement in may, but no one really knows. I'm personally expecting them to pull a sneaky one like they did with announcing ryzen 9 days before release

>>60146818
Bad news: went to buy the Strix and it's out of stock on the only site it's available from: https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=AS-S108TOG&c=CJ

How is the MSI 1080ti gaming X?

>>60147103
>Is it worth switching to AMD because of it?
Pretty much, yes.
Except AMD doesn't have a 1080 or 1080Ti level card, unless Vega turns out good which it should.

>>60147726
That's out of stock too v_v

How is this? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487336&cm_re=1080_ti-_-14-487-336-_-Product

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>>60147771
>EVGA
I personally wouldn't thrust them after all those cards exploding anon, but hey it's your money...

>>60147783
Could you help me find another 1080 ti? All the other cards are out of stock and i would rly like to order today.

There is this Gigabyte:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125954

>>60147717
The Fury X is actually slower than the 390X a lot of the time. Especially since the 390X overclocks better (at absurd temps).

The RX580 is a pretty good 1440p card. But not for 144fps except a handful of older games like CSGO.

>>60147726
the 1080ti just launched a little while ago, and the aftermarket cards came out extremely recently. You could wait for it. They're literally all fine unless you plan on taking it to testicle shattering overclocks. You're better off going with one you like the looks of.

If i wanted for some reason the fasted storage solution for my computer would it be 2 ssd's in a raid0? Or are ssds in a raid0 a super meme?

>>60147783
acx 3.0 cards caught fire under worst case scenarios yes. I don't recommend anybody buy any acx 3.0 card. But they did extensive work on redesigning the cooler, and any 'icx" one has the new cooler. Gamersnexus did extremely thorough testing on this. The new evga cards are good.

>>60147783
They're actually going out of their way to add extra fuses on their high end 1080 Ti's.

>>60147832
Nope, it won't be any faster. A good SSD puts the bottleneck elsewhere as it is. Same fucking reason that NVMe does nothing. Dur.

>>60147855
>They're actually going out of their way to add extra fuses on their high end 1080 Ti's.
Like extra fuses on TNT to make sure it goes boom?

>>60147855
Does that mean the EVGA card is good? It looks the best to me

>>60147832
If you don't have the knowledge already to answer that for yourself, I HIGHLY doubt your use case justifies the cost.
>>60147807
You might have to be patient and wait for the new cards to come in stock. Buy all your stuff today, build it. Run on your intel graphics for a couple days until you get your graphics card. Shit, newegg and Prime have 2-day shipping.

>>60147608
Well, the fastest game I would be playing on that is Rainbow Six Siege, probably. And it's not really that fast I guess. Runs well too.

>>60147654
>>60147735
>>60147717
Well I planned to go with a GTX 1070, so it kinda sucks that there is no comparable AMD card.

Sadly waiting for a new card is not an option (PC broke down 2 weeks ago), so I can either:
a) bite the bullet and shell out for an expensive monitor
b) stick with the GTX 1070 and get a cheap non G-Sync monitor, which I can then use as a second screen if I decide to buy a G-Sync monitor later on

I'm currently leaning towards b), but what would you guys do in my situation?

>>60147820

>The Fury X is actually slower than the 390X a lot of the time.

This is straight up bullshit.

>>60147910
Would also recommend b, though in your situation i would wait. Don't you have a spare gpu or integrated graphics in your cpu?

>>60147925
vram bottleneck. I wouldn't say "a lot of the time" though. Maybe a COUPLE games like resident evil that eat vram like John Goodman eats food.

>>60147864
>>60147891
Thanks anons.

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>>60147925
>>60147985
I've seen a handful of benchmarks like RE7 where the Fury is worse. But usually it's not, and usually yeah it is a bit behind or above the 1070.
None of these benchmarks have the 390X higher, so I guess it is actually very rare.
This same tester, guru3d, did RE7 but have the Fury ahead. GR Wildlands is another game that uses tons of VRAM, but the Fury is still ahead. So dunno.

Maybe the other benchmarks I saw were before driver updates, and they fixed that. These here are on new drivers.

>>60145819
What are you talking about?
>>60145867
I would like a sub $1000 build mainly for gaming. If there is any other information you need feel free to ask.

Asus z270 Prime-AR vs MSI pro carbon vs strix z270e vs asrock gaming k6, which one is best all-around?

Ryzen 5 1500X or 1600 for a first build? Or should I just go Team Blue?

>>60147938
Why would you recommend b), while still advising to wait?

>>60148148
1600

Can anyone tell me if G-Sync is honestly worth it at the moment?

>>60148185
I'm telling you to go b because you seem impatient and want your rig as fast possible, which is perfectly acceptable. But in your situation, i wouldn't be such in a hurry, because there is no real need to.

>>60144790
Looking into updating/building a new comp for Oculus development. However, info is hard to parse online so I have arrived here.

I was looking into a AMD FX-8350 with a compatible mobo but benchmarks are either deceitful/intel shills or I have no idea how to buy a good CPU. 8 cores at 4.0 GHz sounds really nice on paper. What am I overlooking?]

Also, GPU is where I want to dump most of my funds to guarantee I get longterm use out of my build. I currently own a 680. I obviously need good USB 3.0+ busses. That's my main reason for considering a new build since my PCI-e to 3.0 card isn't preventing audio loss when I do VR.

I am graduating college next week and people are asking me what I want for gifts. I figured it'd help reduce my budget significantly if I got parts from everyone. But in any case, my budget is ~$1500 otherwise. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>>60148256
Well of course, it's JUST videogames.
But what should I say, I need ma vidya geams.

>>60148240
>$349 for a 1080p 144hz monitor
>$199 for the same monitor but with freesync
Yes, good goy. Don't forget to pick up your official Nvidia™ t-shirt and your "premium" Founders Edition™ graphics card
No. G-sync costs way too damn much when freesync exists.

>>60148272
Any intel or ryzen quad core is twice as fast as faildozer. Ryzen 8 cores are literally 4 times faster.

>>60144845
>CL_DEVICE_NATIVE_VECTOR_WIDTH_FLOAT = 1
It's not only underclocked, the CUs are also running at half speed.
I'd expect well over 50% higher performance here with those two things corrected.

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>>60148272
>What am I overlooking?
There is more to performance than cores and frequency. Architecture also matters. The FX 8350 is an old, very old architecture, that even back then lost quite noticeably to intel cpus in almost everything.
That's why today, even an 4 cores lower clocked R5 1400 outperforms it in tasks the fx 8350 was made to shine at. Pic related is compiling.

>>60148325
>faildozer
The fuck is a faildozer?

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Which 1070 is best 1070?

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>>60148344
>Pic related is compiling.
compiling time, lower is better.
This pic is frame per second at x264 encoding, higher is better.

The FX are old, run hot and are on a pretty bad architecture. Do not buy.

>>60148370
>>60148344
All right so any recommendations then for what I want to do based on >>60148272?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KyYvkT

Fixing up my old build with a new SSD and PSU. Looking for bang for buck here.

>>60148396
What exactly do you mean by oculus development? What exactly happens when you are developping for VR, what programs are running?

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>>60148066

For what its worth AMD hand tunes memory management in their driver for Fiji's HBM capacity limitation. Back when they were hyping the fury x one prevailing line is that you don't need more memoery, just better management which still rings true. I would not be surprised if Vega's HBCC is a further refinement of this principle along with a few other things AMD has introduced in their radeon pro line of cards.

In fact /g/ could learn a lot about guessing where Vega will sit by looking at the more recent radeon pro (which is effectively any card after the W9100) cards along with polaris.

>>60148352

Slang for the Bulldozer architecture because it regressed in IPC in many areas to get more cores within a TDP and physical size limitation (which is the only reason for CMT to exist). Vishera (i.e bulldozer V2) has been semi-vindicated but its too little to late and ryzen now completely renders ever previous AMD architecture before it obsolete.

>>60148370

With the advent of ryzen i'd only go FX if the price is too good to ignore AS WELL AS you are willing to do some hand tuning. Realistically though? Yeah, bulldozer is dead.

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I'm just getting back into gaming, how does this build look if I want a decently future proof rig?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/chhhJV

>>60148437
UE4 or Unity and probably the Oculus launcher.

Here's recommended specs https://developer3.oculus.com/documentation/pcsdk/latest/concepts/gsg-intro/#gsg_intro

>>60148449
Where do you see CPU architecture descriptions? When I look at specs, I see no mention of Bulldozer. Maybe I am taking this for granted but keeping up with PC info seems like a full time job at times

>>60148453
Put also an Hdd for games and you are ok with it

>>60148453
People here will shit on you for picking the 7700k, but I think it will be ok. Personally I would take an AMD 1600 or 1700 over the 7700k, but it's not as if your build won't work.

That particular PSU is not great. If you're going to get EVGA, get a G3, otherwise get something from Seasonic.

>>60148482

>Where do you see CPU architecture descriptions?

Ironically to keep things simple wikipedia isn't a bad source. AMD tends to use a lot of codenames for their products which makes grasping exactly where a product sits often confusing (for example Ryzen is a specific implementation of the Zen architecture which will also power their upcoming APUs codenamed Raven Ridge).

It doesn't help that AMD doesn't not maintain a site like Intel does (ark.intel) which lists nearly every product Intel amke and where it sits in the various hierarchy of their products.

Some dude has made one for AMD but it is far from complete.

https://specdb.markasoftware.com/

>>60148547
for future proofing purpose, considering he wants a 7700k in the first place, nah the 1600 is not a good choice. It's either the R7 1700 and 7700k, and the fact that the 7700k hits 70~+% usage during gaming would personally make me go for the R7 1700 in his situation but at this point i stopped recommending R7 1700 or people that want a 7700k because it's more of an opinion thing

rate my build fags
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4Z6GRG

>>60148367
gigabyte g1 gaming

>>60148582
Yeah, it's frustrating when I am shopping and the things I know I should be more concerned about are obfuscated or entirely missing from spec sheets with anything that appeals to LEL GAMER BUILDS being flash in front of your face all over the place.

>>60148547

>People here will shit on you for picking the 7700k

Why? Is it not useful/will it not be useful in the future? What might be a better option?

>>60148603
no unless you apologize

>>60146759
>are sound cards worth the money?
No, they are absolutely not worth the money.

And the Realtek ALC1220 has a totally fine DAC on it and the AMP for it on the motherboard is also most likely just fine since cheaper motherboards generally don't have the ACL1220.

But there are some things you should be aware of when it comes to a motherboard soundcard.

On most cases you have a audio output on the front of the case which is connected to the motherboard with a cable that is usually cheap and has no shielding. This cable could easily act as a radio antenna. Connecting to the output on the back of the case (directly to the motherboard) avoids this problem.

Think about it, with a dedicated sound card you don't have this problem because you're also connecting directly to it on the back of the computer. An external DAC+AMP also does not have this problem because you're going digital over USB to that external box and you're connecting to it. You can place that box on your desk - away from your computers components. This is the only real advantage of using an external DAC+AMP, it becomes a connector that's easily accessible and not inconvenient on the back of the case. And as I said, a digital signal goes directly to it.

Digital signals are also another good reason why a soundcard is a waste of money today. If you want good sound with speakers then you want a real high-end stereo or surround receiver / amplifier (not those DAC+AMP toys for headphones). Modern ones connect with HDMI (or SPDIF) and they all have a headphone jack.

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>>60148636
The 7700k can't push 144fps on lots of the newer games with all 8 threads at 95-100% load, so why would it be better in the future?

The 2600k and 2700k were AMAZING CPUs at the time. The 7700k is basically the same shit (about 20-35% higher IPC and it overclocks a bit higher more consistently) 6 years later. It's on its last ropes.
Why would basically the same re-released CPU 6 years later still be good a few more years from now?

It's an okay CPU for today. But most of us stick with a CPU for a few years.

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>>60148482
For anything developpement, an R5 1600 (6 cores) or R7 1700 (8 cores) are both real good choices. The 6+ cores make them excellent both for multi-tasking and compiling time which is exactly what developpers want. They also don't run very hot (if any) and the stock cooler is actually great at cooling them while being quiet, so there's no need to get an aftermarket cooler, as opposed to the similarly priced intel cpus that don't even come close to their performance even when overclocked on an aftermarket coolers.

As opposed to bulldozer, those cores are actually individually strong (though they are slightly weaker than intel ones). So you can run your VR games with your UE4 in the background or unity without any hiccup or performance hit. Just for info, intel cpus are 4 cores until $450, at that point you can find 6 cores cpus, and 8 cores is $1100. Meanwhile with AMD you can get 8 cores for $325, which reminder is very important for dev and mutli tasking.

So either the $220 R5 1600 (6 cores 12 threads), or $325 r7 1700 (8 cores 16 threads). Both are good choice, would personally recommend the R7 1700 for heavy multi tasking.

>>60148760
All right, cool. Do you think a 1070 would be sufficient for a GPU or should I splurge on a 1080? The only other hangup is making sure I also have USB 3.0 that can handle the load from VR. It's actually a common problem for a lot of lower ended VR users.

>>60148603
>spending that much for a GPU yet buying such shit peripherals and CPU
>aftermarket paste meme
>1080p monitor for 1080ti
>shit HDD
2/10 overused meme

>>60148802
1070 is a great card, the 1080 would be better but not really enough to justify the jump. Go for 1080 only if you really really want the highest of the hight peformance

Also, what do you mean by USB 3.0 that can handle the load? Are these somehow some mobos that can't handle the load on their USB 3.0 or something?
All B350 mobo have at the very least 2 USB 3.1 Gen2 and two gen 1, so it shouldn't be much of an issue.

>>60148636
CPU as a bottleneck is the most possible worst bottleneck to have

So I know the a "gaming laptop" is not something that exists, but my rig is getting a little older and I will be travelling a lot for work over the next few years, so I'm looking to invest into a high performance laptop that can meet or exceed my current specs.

I know what my sources are for towers and parts, but I've never really dealt with the laptop community before.

Where can I go to compare high performance laptop computers with a budget of 1-2k?

>>60148959
Gaming laptops do exist. Don't let /g/ tell you otherwise.

>>60148908
>All B350 mobo have at the very least 2 USB 3.1 Gen2
They in theory do support it, but most boards don't provide it.
Geizhals currently lists 25 B350 boards, and only 9 of those have 3.1 Gen 2 (it's listed as just 3.1, and 3.1 Gen 1 is listed as 3.0).
Those jews want you to buy an X370 for it.

>>60144790

That fat cat and his shenanigans!

>>60148996
Yeah, if you want to spend a grand and a half on a machine with a 1060 in them.

>>60148909
>>60148718

So you guys are saying I should go with a Ryzen 7 1700?

>>60149242
Some say the r7 1700 is more futureproof because it has double the core and usually goes at around 30 - 40% usage in games while the 7700k hits 70%+, some say the 7700k is more futureproof because it has higher framerate.
Do note that the r7 1700 is on immature 2 years old software while the 7700k is on 10 years old software that has been refined every single year, so the r7 1700 has room to improve through bios and windows updates, while the 7700k won't all. Though whatever room it has to improve, it will never completely close to gap there is between the two in framerates.

Up to you to make the choice.

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Logic: cheapest possible, while taking into account some future proofing and fact I need monitor,so everything except keyboard,case&mouse
Also, I never cared for manufacturer(Asus,MSI,asrock,Intel,amd etc ) but will listen to reason(same goes for the monitor)
Purpose: just gaming, watching movies, general debauchery, shitposting on /tv/ and getting old
OS:Win7 or win10(pir8 edition)
Games:Prey,Doom,dishonored2,Deliverance:kingdom come,FONV in FO4 engine,Total War,Witcher 3 like games,Scorn,all neo Isometrical wrpgs (torment:numa,wasteland2,tranny etc)
Location: Serious Sam homeland(more or less USA prices +~10%)
Resolution: 1080p@40-60fps(everything maxed,except stupid shit: gameworks or some obvious fps muncher that has no drastic impact on graphics)
Dilemma: now,while, I don't give a shit so much anymore about anything I'm willing to cash out for 1440p@144hz if that step is not almost double(or just plain stupid) the price, I don't play "fast" e-sport games, immersion in RPGs is most important(so,I guess I won't find 144fps highly important) ,also,maybe open to an idea of VR in the future,but only as an upgrade path and also if it won't impact the price too much. Also,no flashy stuff.

>>60149242
Na just the 1600 or 1600X.

Or if you go with 4c/8t, save money by getting the 1500X. It's still better than the 7600k where it matters (cpu intensive games, and in getting better minimums and smoother frame pacing).

The 7700k isn't an awful CPU by any means. It's just as good as a 4c/8t is ever going to be, overpriced, and its reached its limits in how well it can perform in some newer more strenuous games.

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>>60149381
anon, you have to make the build yourself, and come for recommendations to us.
There are informations in the OP that will help you do so.

>>60148802
I meant can't handle. I had to buy a PCIe to USB 3.0 card because my mobo couldn't handle it. I would have audio loss on the earphones of the Rift. I have 4 3.0 ports on my current mobo but it's some sort of bandwidth issue.

>>60149409
Ok,...so,dillemma from last post plus
Intel i5 7500 (I had i5 2500k so I guess they are similar, under ~10%!?)
2x8 ddr4 2400!?
asrock pro#(idk what socket intel uses these days)
rx570 4gb
Psu:450-500 watt 80%
Monitor: ~250$ max(can go up for logical increment, same goes for build,also, can go down, won't mind )

>>60149557
meant to reply to
>>60148908

>>60149583
>>60148908

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293

This is what I currently have.

>>60149576
>asrock pro#(idk what socket intel uses these days)
LGA 1151
That does look good, but there is lots of room for improvement if you have the money for it. How much does the parts you just quoted end up costing you and what is your wanted / max budget?
Do a pcpartpicker list for this please

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If anyone remembers I am the guy that spilled water into his machine.

CPU, MOBO, and PSU all work fine. I cannot boot from the main drive but I can boot and access the data when I use a different drive.

The GPU seems fucked. It light up but the fans don't spin and I get a "no signal" msg onscreen. Is there anything I can do to verify it's fucked before I buy a new one.

Tbh I'm just very relieved that the mobo and cpu aren't toast.

>>60149692

I do remember. An extreme - and not usually done in this scenario - method is to strip the gpu of its cooler and heatsink and bake in the oven in the same manner you would to reflow the solder. It is a long shot by a huge margin but it might revive your gpu.

I'd be surprised if you fucked your main drive but that is also possible. I do not suggest pulling apart hard drives (and heaven forbid ssd's) to fix them. You should try and see if your motherboard (and then OS) recognises the drive and pull all relevant data off it - it might be a lost cause.

Alright, what's a good replacement for Newegg in terms of buying PC parts? Never buying from that shit site, I have had such a shitty experience in all my purchases there that I can't do it anymore.

>>60149604
To be honest i'm kinda surprised that it happens with regular USB 3.0 but not PCIe to USB 3.0, because both are gonna use PCIe lanes anyway so if it works with a PCIe card the problem doesn't stem from there, and if the PCIe card itself has USB 3.0 then it's not from USB 3.0 bandwidth limits either. Not really sure on this one so i can't say for sure it will not happen anymore. If you do want to avoid it, you'd have to find an AM4 mobo with 3.1 Gen 2 (double the bandwidth of 3.0 & 3.1 gen 1), unfortunately though B350 does support it i haven't found any B350 mobo that has it, while it's pretty common for x370 to have it.

>>60149826
Eh, I am still getting audio loss on some games. So you're right. That's why I wanted to upgrade BECAUSE the PCIe card did not work.

>>60149805
I can get to the data on the drive. I plugged in another HDD with Windows on it and things seem to be intact.

Now for something on topic: My GPU is an r9 390. Would the 1060 be an upgrade? I only have a piddly little 550w PSU though.
6600k z170-hd3p mobo ang 16gb ram.

>>60149858

>Would the 1060 be an upgrade?

No.

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>>60149874
So I ought to simply go for another 390 you think?

>>60149883
AMD motherboard is placeholder bc I've heard bad things about it

>>60149849
Oh, should've told me so
Ryzen cpus all have 8 more PCIe lanes (24 from 16) that the mobo you linked, so it won't happen again

Roast me on this semi-poorfag modest build, /g/. First time builder so assume I'm an idiot. I didn't look at i7s but I assume they're too expensive. Also I want to do some emulation but not necessarily Wii U. If I even did Wii U it'd just be XBCX and Bayo2

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xqrKgL

>>60149884

No. I think you should sit on the 390 until any single gpu offers the performance you are seeking.

I friend of mine gifted me his old Fury X , what is the cheapest the micro ATX complete rig I can get considering I want 1080 60fps high or max settings and live in the US

>>60149935
The 390 is dead m8.

>>60149949
The gtx 1060 doesn't offer that much more performance to justify the $240~ you'd be spending on it

>>60149926
It looks good, get 2x4GB though, single channel must be avoided

>>60149962
1060 3GB looks to be at $170ish to me, unless you mean the 6GB

>>60149999
the 3GB version of the 1060 is a cutdown version of the 6GB, the same way the 1070 is a cut down version of the 1080. It's not simply the same card with less RAM, it's a weaker card with less RAM. It's even less worth than the 6GB

>>60149989
Ok, thanks

>>60150029
From what I read it's only 10% weaker. Given that it's more than 10% cheaper I'd think it has more value.

>>60148547
What about the Supernova T2, is that good too?

>>60150029
Seems like we're in kind of a shit area for nvidia GPUs then if 1060 is bad but 1070 is expensive as hell. They need to make a 1060 TI

>>60150087
buy used 1070

4gb or 8gb rx580?
mainly playing overwatch/csgo/dota2, building for tekken 7
1080p 60hz

>>60147310
Go to the EKWB website, it's pretty informative and gives you a card compatibility list for each of their gpu water blocks. I got a water block and backplate from them for my 1080 and it performs far, far better than the stock cooler. We're talking 40c under load as opposed to 70c. Well worth the investment.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kp3rf8
>/g/ telling me X370 is a waste of money
Thank you for showing me the true way. Please rate https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kp3rf8
>>60150128

4GB for your uses.

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>>60150108
>Buying a GPU used

>>60150179
literally nothing wrong with buying used gpus that are still on warranty.

>>60149815
See if you can find a local parts distributer, especially if it has a physical point of sale because if something goes wrong you can go yell at the nerds behind the counter till they sort it out.

>>60150162
That actually looks pretty good, i don't have anything to say about it
I was doubting the cooler at first but looking at some benchmarks it manages to be slightly better than the similarly priced be quiet dark rock slim pro, though it does so by being noiser
Not really sure you'd be able to achieve your rated ram speeds on a $100 b350 mobo though, hopefully the may agesa update helps with that

>>60150162
ok thanks, also people here say that gaming mobo's are a meme unless you want it for the colour scheme or something

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>>60150363
parroting what people says is a bad way of giving advice

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Buying my first pc ever heard ironsides is a good site picked out this one I wanna mainly play large rts and grand strategy games and maybe some CSGO. Is this too much? Can I downsize anything or am I going to be struggling. It has windows 10 is gonna cost around 620$

>>60150071
>Supernova T2
Yes, good psu.

>>60150690

Pirate windows, get a better cooler (the reference Intel cooler is shit) and push for anything faster than a 1050.

>>60144790
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XtPwXH

any last words before i purchase all of these on newegg?

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>>60150690
Ok idgaf anymore Idk what I am doing if anyone just gives me a bhild for less than 700 that can handle rts and grand strats I'd be happy any recommendations recommendations will be appreciated

How bad is it to just use the standard Intel fan?

>>60150812
Go for it.

>>60150179
>not buying an used GPU
what the fuck
unless you're buying one of those AMD cards that were extremely popular for bitcoin mining, there's nearly null risk
>b-but what if someone spurted his load on it
clean it and spurt your own load on it

>>60150960
The problem is you don't know under what conditions it was used and how often it was used. It isn't even like used cars where they at least have a mileage counter.

I'm stupid, never built a pc before, just want 60 fps on high-ish settings for modern games, does this work?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YbVj7h

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did I do okay? I'm going to get an SSD later

the 1600 is 30 euros more, should I go for it?
Is 4GB of VRAM enough?

>>60151009
You have a similar chance to get a DoA card as brand new from a shop, and you can return a used card if it's fucked.
The thinking factor of "it's dangerous to buy used" is something I'm glad is taken into mind though, makes getting near-free tier shit so much easier.

>>60151072
>AyyMD
Nah nigga
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BdztBP

Which 1070 should I get?

I'm thinking either the EVGA SC or the MSI Gaming X.

Any suggestions?

Would anyone reccomend an fx 8300 or fx 8350 for a ~600$ build?

>>60151204
> Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit
$109.99
kek

>>60151204
>>60151259
How can you get an OEM os on a self-built PC? Isn't OEM only for prebuilt?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XtPwXH

Added a monitor. Any last thoughts?

>>60151221
No.

I really hate Windows 10, but unfortunately I see no other options so I'm gonna have to use it. Is it possible to run a Windows hard drive and a Linux one, and switch between the two on startup?

>>60151516
Yes google dual booting

Alright m8o's, what's a good blu-ray+dvd drive that's internal?
I mainly play games and I'm still picking out stuff, but I can't seem to find one of those for when I just want to watch a movie or show I have.

>>60151072
That works, but remove windows 10. Download the 10 pro iso from microsoft and activate with MS Toolkit.
And you might want to get an SSD.

>>60151276
Fuck that, pirate 10.

>>60151354
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TCPPHN
I would really advise Ryzen 5 1600, 1600X, or Ryzen 1700 for what you're buying. Its your choice though

>>60151276
Pirate windows 10. If you want non LTSB, heres a magnet link. If you want LTSB, look up "windows 10 enterprise {gen2}" on torrentz2.eu

>>60151687
Forgot the magnet link
http://www.magnetdl.com/file/2712242/windows-7-8.1-10-x64-enterprise-esd-en-us-june-2016-gen2/

>>60151585
Because of draconian bluray DRM schemes you won't be able to play most disks straightaway on a media player, you will need AnyDVD HD or dvdfab. A bluray writer is more useful.

>>60151204
This looks good I think, seems to be better than mine for just $10 more based on Logical Increments (that's all I have to go on because I'm dumb). Thanks man. Anyone else want to comment on this build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BdztBP

>>60151733
A writer? Okay. As long as it can play both and won't die a short while after I get it, I should be okay, right?
Any particular one or companies I should look for?

>>60151701
Really risky to pirate an entire OS. you're better off using a legit iso off MS

Anyone have that picture of useful programs to download on a new build?

>>60151827
LG, Sony, Asus

>>60151839
Ive been using it for half a year. Works perfectly

>>60151939
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136269

This one looks like what I looking for.

>>60151750
>locked i5
>z270
>1060 3gb

Fucking nope. Your original build was way better. You are being trolled by a shill.

>>60151960
the only indicator of something wrong would be if your cc info was stolen by russians

>>60152192
overclocking is only for advanced users and 1060 3gb is the only 750ti of this gen

Ryzen 7 1700 or ryzen 5 1600x? My gpu is rx 480 8gb, i use pc purely for gaming

>>60152242
>advanced users
by that case, if you've managed to get on /g/ you're a super advanced user

>>60152274
8 cores? what do you need 6 cores for? 4 cores is good enough, get an i3 dual core

>>60152290
I'm the guy looking for help with the build, overclocking sounds like some hacker shit to me

>>60152274
R5 1600 unless you already own a cpu cooler that you are going to re-use AND you're not overclocking - then go 1600x.

1700 only if you want to e-peen having all the threads.

>>60152325
I have hyper tx3 evo cooler, will that be ok?

>>60152320
>overclocking sounds like some hacker shit to me
If you get a quality Asus mobo for Ryzen hardware overclocks itself from RAM to CPU with AI Suite 3 that comes bundled with the mobo

>>60152320
Why would you buy a Z270 overclocking chipset if you aren't overclocking? If you're actually going to be stupid enough to pay $215 for a locked 4-thread CPU, then at least buy a cheaper motherboard to go with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo

>>60152290
Not really, just a nerd with too much time on my hands. Advanced implies a level of competency in practice, not just browsing the Internet on various subjects of interest.

>>60152349
Good enough at 1600x stock speeds, yes, but you will probably need to get a new AM4 mounting kit for it since the attachment is different from AM3.

>>60152384
So its not worth it to pay 200$ more for 1700, 1600x is good for gaming on latest gayms?

>>60152397
Yes, the 1600x and 1700 are virtually identically in gaming.

>>60152397
yes
6 core is gonna be standard
remember all those old intel benchmarks with 6 cores that shat all over their own intel 4 cores for games? that's Ryzen, it's budget Intel 6 core

>>60152233
Dont use a credit card. Only prepaid visas

Good?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4j6CVY

>>60152499
That's kind of a hassle. I do it for Sorny PSN but not much else

>>60145770

I'm in the same situation, currently have an i5 3570K and looking to get an i5 7600K, I'm getting the Asus Z270-A, costs £135 here in the UK and seems to be a very solid motherboard. Shouldn't break the bank too much and will be worth getting a new motherboard just to make sure you're compatible and ready for any future upgrades, problem is you'll have to get new RAM too probably.

>>60152538
The lower-tier Corsair and EVGA psu's are not worth it. For Corsair, get RM, HX or AX series. For EVGA, pretty much anything rated Gold, Platinum or Titanium is ok. The power efficiency isn't the big issue - the main issue is that the build quality of the higher-efficiency supplies is much better.

If none of those are in budget, try look for something by Seasonic, since basically everything Seasonic makes is good regardless of whether it is Bronze, Silver, etc.

How soon will i5 be dead for gaming?

>>60152686
It already is thanks to Ryzen until Intel lowers their prices.

>>60152686
The i5 7600 (non-K) already bottlenecks a 1060 6GB at times in Battlefield 1. I'd say that's a pretty good sign that it's about done for the i5 series.

If you're talking about buying new, i5 is already dead as there is literally zero reason to buy it. >>60152700

If you're talking about how long to keep an existing system, it'll probably feel pretty dated in another year as it really starts holding everything back.

I have an i5 3570K with an AMD 7950, starting to get pretty severe FPS drops in many online shooters unless I have the settings at low-medium. I was going to buy a new mobo, i5 7600K and a GTX 1070, but having looked at a few benchmarks comparing the two processors the difference is significant but maybe not enough to justify spending the £900 to upgrade everything. Would it be worth just buying the 1070 or will it be bottle-necked by the CPU?

Was really set on this upgrade but now I'm having doubts

>>60152725
Ryzen is AMD though and that can't be used for emulation

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how'd I do, /pcbg/

Friend gave me parts to build my first pc, but dont know what parts are best for what he gave me.

These are the Parts he gave me.

AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core

Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory

Gigabyte Radeon R9 380 4GB SOC Video Card

EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply

>>60152875
Even if you're concerned about emulation, the i5 is a bad choice. If all you want is emulation, then the i3 is a better option. If you want to do other things PLUS emulation, then i7 is the best option.

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>>60144998
>"Bigger numba! = Bettur!"

>>60152725
Do you mean bottlenecks at 1080p or bottlenecks at 1440p? I'm still a 1080pleb here.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HVswXH

Everything look good?
Waiting for Vega to get GFX card.

pic is current build

>>60152996
I want to do other things plus emulation and still have money to eat. That used to mean i5

How big is the difference between 5400rpm, 7200rpm, and 10000rpm?

>>60153057
You don't want 5400rpm period

>>60153021
Looks great.

If hitachi is so good (and I've heard they're good) why are their hdds the cheapest right now? Usually I go WD but I'd go hitachi if I have assurances their build quality is good now.

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>>60152875
>Ryzen is AMD though and that can't be used for emulation
Wrong.

>>60153161
Try running Shadow of the Colossus.

My non-OCed Haswell can run Xenoblade and Xenosaga I at full speed.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jxX4vV

is this alright for relatively quiet htpc + 1080 p gaming

>>60152959
>>60152967
>EVGA NEX PSU

>>60153226
>Try running Shadow of the Colossus.
My piece of shit X4 640 can run Shadow of the Colossus

>>60153098
Assuming you're looking at Amazon prices, most of them are refurbished.

>>60153399
Assuming you mean at full speed, then your piece of shit X4 640 can run any PS2 game at full speed, but I really doubt that.

>>60153458
I'm looking at "New"

Are they allowed to sell refurb as new? If so I want a lawyer

>>60153474
>then your piece of shit X4 640 can run any PS2 game at full speed
I've played the Ace Combat games, God Hand, SOTC and a few other games without any issues.
I did run into issues with GrimGrimoire for some reason though.

>>60153513
>I did run into issues with GrimGrimoire for some reason though.
Gotta be a bug. That game is not high end

>>60153226
Your info about AMD being shit for emulation is completely outdated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87qPFRyDtSY

>>60153884
But it will be on Wii U because the optimizations haven't caught up to AMD's shit per core performance on a higher end machine like Wii U vs ancient PS2 and Wii

>>60153884
I hope that's using an Nvidia GPU kek. But then AMD CPU + Nvidia GPU is literally retarded

>>60154070
>But it will be on Wii U because the optimizations haven't caught up to AMD's shit per core performance on a higher end machine like Wii U vs ancient PS2 and Wii
Did you have a brain aneurysm while writing this?

>>60152959
samefag
got it up and running; I'm so happy =(
I can encode video 12x faster than on my old computer

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Should I delid my i5 4670k?

16GB (2x8 GB) 2400hz RAM.

should I go intel or Ryzen?