/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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I need an advice picking a monitor for Photoshop.
Is MVA panel worth going for if i'm looking for good colors and contrast? I'm doing digital art, and i want some good 10bit colors. and while MVA seems to have superior contrast and black depth i heard it's somewhat inferior in color.
I was trying to get myself a 4k IPS panel within 500$ and so far the both monitors i ordered arrived with a dead pixel and i returned them to the store. (i tried Benq BL2711U and HP Z27s )
I found a looks like a great deal
>AOC 32" U3277PWQU
I can get one for 500$ But it isn't IPS, however the tests and reviews are very positive, and it's 32" when others are 27.

Should I grab this one? Am I going to regret not getting an IPS?
I have roughly 500$ to spend on it.

I'll post this one more time
Is this a good build?
Gpu: Sapphire AMD RX 480 Nitro 8gb
Cpu: Ryzen 5 1600
Ram: 4x2 Corsair 3000MHz
Motherboard: MSI Z170A Gaming Pro Carbon, Socket 1151
Case: Corsair CC-9011050-WW
Psu: 550W Corsair
Storage: 1TB for all the shit I need + 120GB SSD for Windows and whatever
All this for 900ish Europoor monei, I just want to be comfortable with everything and not get ripped off

>>60134240
yes

>I need an advice picking a monitor for Photoshop
if it has true 10 bit color than it is good

>>60134240
No, replace the CPU with an i5 or it will not work.

>>60134251
shit forgot to link post >>60134238

>>60134011
If you have a Ryzen system and are not willing to work around to get 7 to install/update, 10 is fine. You gotta tweak a lot of stuff, turn off a lot of features. In particular there was one service that crippled my 3/1 internet, think it was called Content Delivery something. Basically was choking my internet downloading updates for other computers in my network. Had to disable that.

>>60134240
>Ryzen
>Intel mobo
Come on.

You can get a 2560x1600 16:10 Dell monitor for like $800 I think. Might be worth it for you.
It's not 10bpc though.
You might have to wait an entire year before you can get a decent HDR10 monitor for $500 desu.

>>60133957
Not worth it m8.
4c/4t is garbage.

Just buy a new motherboard. You're spending $50 more than a 1600 costs there and only getting DDR3.

Now if you got a free 4790k, yeah I'd say go ahead and get a board and memory for that.

>>60134011
Win10, disable services, and get a telemetry blocker.
But real talk, run Linux as you main desktop and just use win10 for gaymes when they don't run on Linux.

>>60132878
>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/zZjzgL
Looks fine but same thing I said to the other guy.
I'd get a 500GB+ SU800 or MX300 over paying so much per GB for that 256GB 850.

>>60134266
Wait wait, hold up.

You're saying Ryzen has issues with 7?

Whats the best gaming monitor for under 300?

>>60134205

GTX 1060/1070 turns out to be cheaper than AMD alternatives in the long run, as AMD cards run hot as hell and die after 3 years

Plus you can't put a price on the silence of a GTX 1060/1070, compared to AMD's wind turbines

As for Ryzen 1600 over i5, I'm skeptical.. i5 + mobo costs $219, Ryzen 1600 + mobo costs $278. That's a fair bit of extra money for a CPU that on the face of it, looks worse than the i5 in almost every category that matters (including gaming). Can anyone demonstrate the Ryzen 1600 is worth its price over an i5, without pointing to that shitty Watch Dogs 2 port benchmark?

gigabyte rx570 yesno

>>60134240
you need a AM4 mobo you know...

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B2RxQV

Should I replace the GPU for a 580, or am I good to go?

>>60134378
yes

I'm finally moving to an apartment that I can fit a desk in, you know what that means, right?! Time to blow all of my money on a computer!

>>60134371
>as AMD cards run hot as hell and die after 3 years
retard detected

>>60134353
>>60134257
>>60134381
Alright, i get it, i'm not a smart man, what do you suggest under 150 bucks?

>>60134361
Yeah but I'm getting the parts for free. Might be a little used though. Cuts $400~ off my price. Was thinking this in the long run.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ThbJHN

Already have a Case, 1tb Platter and other things.

>>60134363
Just the same issues Skylake and Kabylake have.

>>60134364
idk u decide

>>60134378
No I'd get a different brand.

>>60134397
Oh you're getting the 4670k for free? Well fuck off you had a price listed not "purchased already". I'd still sell teh 4670k and get a 4790k.

>>60134382
no you're fine

Which of these motherboards is the best for overclocking and all-around:
ASUS Prime Z270A
ASROCK Z270 Extreme 4
MSI SLI Plus

Any other suggestions besides these?

>>60134421
Sorry, I didn't know that was an option until just now.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GRrkPs

Listed what I'm getting for free.

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What the fuck did he mean by this?

>>60134392

It's true though - I speak as a victim of AMD (I had a HD7970, now have a GTX 1070)

Obviously not all cards are going to die within 3 years, but I'm telling you that's probably the average given the heat stress these cards are under. My HD7970 was running at 70 degrees max, I read that these newer cards are hitting 78+ degrees with fans running at full throttle (they have no choice!), which is insane. My GTX 1070 runs at 59 degrees max, fans don't even turn on in many games.

>>60134421
I wasn't aware of issues W7 has, are they serious enough to just get W10 and deal with getting spied on?

>>60134454

He is retarded but there is a point to his claim. Thermal cycling is the main cause of component failure - constantly heating up and cooling down causes (mainly) solder to crack and create gaps which leads to runaway temps as there is no longer a TIM to transfer heat from the die to whatever heatsink is in place. Thus to a certain extent having a part run at a constant temperature (even if that is fucking hot) can often elad to longer lifespans than constant cycling from cold to hot.

Naturally the timespans and temperatures are all relative, but that is the basic gist of it.

So I've got the ultimate budget PC /g/ after I found an Am1 mobo for 18$ new

>Sempron 3850
24$
>ECS Kam1-I mini itx motherboard
18$
>used Seasonic 350w bronze rated OEM psu
12$
>used 2x2gb corsair ddr3-1600mhz ram
10$
>used WD Blue 160gb 7200rpm hdd
10$
>power button and leds
1$

75 bucks for a functional PC.
I'm going to install Lubuntu and maybe drop on my GT710 if its any better than the integrated HD8280 on the sempron
Its going to be mounted on a bit of wood shaped like an I beam.

I wanted an Athlon 5350 but eBay Jews got me good and price went up over 50$ for a used one.
The sempron was new though and came with a cooler.
Why is the 5350 so danm expensive everywhere all of a sudden? I got my sisters Athlon for maybe 45$ new.

>>60134240
For your budget i think this will be good enough https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oznerol10/saved/JZJQ7P

>>60134497
Wait dont listen to that i didnt see the budget

>>60134394
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N85N88076

this

>>60134491

>lubuntu

You can go lighter, much lighter than that. I'd even suggest puppy which can be installed (though it is not aimed at it).

>>60134497
But i said that my budget was 900

>>60134240
You can't use that motherboard with a Ryzen r5.
Ryzen chips require AM4 motherboards. LGA 1151 is for Intel Skylake and Kaby Lake

I would also do 1x8gb instead of 4x2gb of ram for future upgradability reasons

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console cuck here

If I don't like AAA games and first/third person shooters is it worth upgrading my GPU? I have a rx480 right now and it works well for everything I throw at it such as emulation/indie games.

I do however want to emulate the wii U, what card/cpu combo would I need to do that?

>>60134449
>adata
no, go for sandisk instead

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yLMhJV

>>60134454
is rory reed trying to explain the 290x again?

>tfw I'll finally get to play Nier without some meme lower resolution, stutter, load times, low FPS in fights, and white screen or video driver crashes

Have you ever had to rush through a game with weird save points because you were at a regular risk of losing your progress at all times?

Because I have.

Fuck that shit.

>>60134529
what's your current cpu fucker?

just get ryzen 5 1600

>>60134529
your gpu is fine you dumb frogposter

>>60134541
>was literally about to click buy because Amazon Gift cards
FUCK. Why you do this to me?

>>60134552
yes, when playing fallout3 on the PS3
jesus christ that was a terrible experience

>>60134553
>>60134560
Sorry I made a mistake, my gpu is GT640

My CPU is an i5 6400

>>60134529
RX 480 right now is good for just about any game on the market in 1080p. Some of the most demanding games requiring a drop in settings at most to get 60fps or higher.
Your 480 is fine for wiiu emulation. Its fine for just about anything 1080p and even some 1440p.

Higher end stuff is more for higher resolutions and high frame rates.
My Gt710 can do 60fps low csgo in 720p.
But a titan xp would do triple digit frame rates in 4k at max settings.
Both would be playable but one will loom significantly better

>>60134552
>nier
>playing jap console ports
at least the murifats and yuropoors try to make their games work on pc

>>60134574
uhh yeah, get the 480 then lmao

>>60134577
Please see >>60134574
I listed my gpu wrong accidently

>>60134574
both are shit

>>60134574
>mid to high tier cpu
>low end gpu
Yeah that's a bottleneck right there mate
Pick up an RX470 minimum. 480 or 580 recommended to take advantage of that i5

>>60134588
>>60134599

Is the 480 okay for emulating wii U with my i5 cpu?

>>60134604
with that cpu? hell no. ryzen at the very least.

>>60134601
What's a bottleneck? Sorry for being a noob I am a console cuck and yes I might go for that whichever one is cheaper

>>60134612
Okay I will wait for ryzen and get RX 470 and it should be okay to emulate wiiU

>>60134461
I had a 6970 for a couple years and the fans broke on it, one day they started running at 100% all the time and I couldn't fix it

>>60134449
Dont listen to that Anon. ADATA SU800 is great. I have one and an 840.

Anyway the build looks okay. Though I'd sell the 4670k and buy a 4790k instead. It's way better now days whereas the 4670k will bottleneck the 1070 in some newer games.

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I have now overclocked my 1600mhz Kingston/Gskill ram to 2400mhz.

Are these good timings?

Redpill me on Ryzen. I want to upgrade my CPU and was going to buy the i5 7600k, but according to this thread Ryzen is better and cheaper. Which one is the best? I looked them up on amazon but the 1600x is more expensive than the 7600k.

>>60134581
It's a really good game.

Sometimes it's nice to have proper PC rigs to power through bad optimization.

Hopefully the future is laced with support for AMD and 6 cores.

...I do wonder if a 1600 will run Tera though.

Can someone explain me one thing. 1600x has 12 threads vs 4 of i5 7600k.
In a game that uses 8 threads - ryzen shows same fps, although load is much smaller. So, one would expect that if we test it with 2 1080ti in sli, 1600x would show much better fps than i5 that is already 100% loaded with 1070. But in reality fps stays the same, gpu is not fully utilized and ryzen stays underutilized.

So why doesn't 1600x win 4 threaded i5 in a 8 thread optimized battlefield 1 when there is no gpu bottleneck?

>>60134666
Well, I'll definately get an improved build another time, this replaces a 2500, RX 380, and other old shit that sounds like its breaking down.

For now though, This is for FFXIV Stormblood, so I can actually feel like I can max everything and be fine. Thanks anons.

Going to be Win7 too.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/zZjzgL

This is what i have so far. Still semi undecided on mobo. The Asus Prime X370 Pro looks great with it's VRM and the price is ok, alternative would be the Gigabyte Gaming 3.
I'm not going to use SLI or CrossFire, the X370 is in hope of better quality components for longer lifespan and voltage regulation, if that makes sense.
GPU.. now, a friend could give me his old GTX660 until Vega releases. This takes me to the next point, the PSU. Do you think 550W will be enough for Vega and R5 1600 OC to 3.8-4.0GHz?

>>60134604
yes

>>60134708
ryzen 5 > i5

get the 1600 and overclock it
only get the 1600x if you have no intention of overclocking

>>60134794
what does overclocking do? does it ruin the cpu?

>>60134803
its free perfromance, are you fucking trolling or just dumb?

>>60134827
the latter. i've been gaming on consoles my whole life, sorry man, what did i do to warrant such a mean-spirited reaction man

>>60134682
11-16-16 on DDR3? Meh not really. I'd just try and get better timings on 1866 or 2133.

Calculator your true latency and see for yourself.

>>60134794
Could you please explain why 1600x?
Specifically this question >>60134725

>>60134837
You're in a pc building thread and you don't know what overclocking is, use google before asking stupid questions

>>60134251
>>60134264
Thank you

>>60134843
at 1833 it's 11-11-11-29 and at 2133 it's 11-14-14-36

>>60134512
Why would i go lighter?
I only picked lubuntu because i personally like it. I dont need lighter, fuck i could install straight up bloatbuntu or windows on it

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>>60134863
It's better than the 7700k in most cases, including gaming often as well in just how smooth and consistent it is.
So why the fuck would it be worse than a 4c/4t?
It's obvious shit. It has 50% more cores, 300% more threads, and AMD's SMT is better than HT.

>Specifically this question >>60134725
If a game is using 100% of the 4 or 8 threads, and something else wants to use resources on the PC, what do you think happens?
And those average framerates don't show how much smoother the 1600 is. Look at frametime graphs.

>>60134615
A bottleneck is when one component is held back by another component.
So you have a CPU that wont be used to its full potential in some games because the GPU is being fully maxed out.
An example would be looking at live usage specs and seeing 50% cpu usage, 100% gpu usage.
So your GPU is bottlenecking your CPU

Thats what the Gt 640 is doing with the i5 6400
Thats a decent modern processor paired with a pretty old and fairly weak GPU

An optimal pairing of CPU/GPU is where both components are used roughly the same amount depending on how intensive a game or program is.

>>60134615
>what is a Google
Jesus Christ.

>>60134908
Hm you can't get tighter than 11 at 1833? You can't get like 9-10-10? That would be
1833 at CL11 should be 12ns true latency, if my math is correct
(2000/1833)*11
Ideally you want to get in the 8-9ns range.

is windows 10 still free?

>>60135002
I see the graph, and I don't doubt the performance of Ryzen. I am just asking a question that I don't know answer for.

The idea is that if 1600 is underutilized when i5 is 100% utilized, why doesn't 1600 pull way ahead in games that use 8+ threads (Battlefield 1, Assassin's Creed) when there is no gpu bottleneck? If i5 is already 100% loaded with 1070, means that it is bottlenecking 1070. But 1600 has only 50% load. So if we were to install 1080 ti, i5 would bottleneck it but 1600 would logically show more fps with more load. But fps stays the same and 1600 stays at the same load, while gpu is also underloaded. Why?

What's a good monitor I can get two of for about $100 each?

>>60135067
Even when the 7600k is not 100% utilized, it's still smoother.
>why doesn't 1600 pull way ahead in games that use 8+ threads
Because the commands to draw the next frame all comes from a single thread.
That single thread is often tied to some gameplay and such that makes it go slower than it should instead of pumping out frames as fast as possible. This is why single threaded performance matters even in many highly threaded games. But the single threaded of kabylake isn't THAT much higher.
And some engines will discard work like non-gameplay affecting physics that's not able to complete in time.
Ashes of the Singularity takes that to the extreme, where it doesn't even give you the option to display some visual effects on a 4core. They just get silently disabled. The game LOOKS better on a 6 or 8 core even if it might run slightly worse.

>>60135078
There are some 75hz freesync monitors around $115.

Hello /pcbg/

I'm looking for the best content creation/rendering rig possible for less than $1000 USD.
I need wireless connection and mobility is a must. Since I'll be moving around since I work on different projects. The case is mainly a placeholder. I would appreciate any advise on small matx cases. Don't mind windowed cases, but size and mobility are a must.
This is what i have so far.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/D8Wp4C

Want to upgrade to 4K monitors. Can anyone vouch for the P2415Q from dell?

>>60135138
>Even when the 7600k is not 100% utilized, it's still smoother
Sorry, what is smoother? i5 or 1600?

>>60135030
Nope can't go lower than 11 at 1833. I can only get 10 at 1600mhz as well.

>>60135201
Look at the frametime graphs. The 1600, obviously.

>>60135290
Idk go with whatever is the lowest true latency. Double check for the formula unless I had it wrong.

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>>60135002
DELID THIS RIGHT NOW!

Also which one looks "better" to you /g/entoomen, the one on the right, or the one on the left?

>>60135138
>>60135067
I don't know if it is going to be interesting for you but after some more research I also found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8bRqdFGCf0
Here we see that when streaming and gaming ryzen is clearly winning and utilizing those available resources. So, the problem is in nvidia drivers and engine optimization probably.

What CPU has the highest single thread rating on the market right now?

>>60135138
>There are some 75hz freesync monitors around $115.
I forgot to add, they need to be VESA compatible. Got any links to anything like that?

>>60135325
They are roughly identical but the y axis changed from 150 to 180.

>>60135372
7700k probably

>>60135350
Ya not the guy asking but I don't care about streaming.

But I do use multiple monitors. I don't want to have to close out a bunch of programs and other shit, and run in fullscreen non-windowed, just so my 4c/4t doesn't shit the bed.

>>60135380
Na, look yourself. Newegg has filters for that and there is this: https://gpunerd.com/guides/freesync-monitor-list

>>60135372
>What CPU has the highest single thread rating on the market right now?
7350k and 7700k.

Unless you're using something that's GCC compiled, then the 1600X or 1800X usually win.

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>>60135395
ignoring the change in the length of the y axis, does it look like there is less fluctuation to you?

>>60135420
it is for guitar amp simulation. I just need the lowest latency possible

>>60135442
Looks similar.
But further to the right, there is a drop under 15fps twice on the right one while the left one doesn't go under like 18.

The 1600mhz looks like it has less severe dips to me.

Are one of these bars CPU time and the other GPU time on top of it? So it's just the orange that matters, right?

what's the deal with the 580's power? Why does it take so much fucking power compared to the 1060?

I was cleaning my pc and plugged in the pcie power to my 660 backwards and I can't fucking get it out. I even disassembled the back pcb so I could put pressure on the lever and it doesn't budge. what the duck did I do

>>60135502
Nah the orange is just to help see the lows.

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like honestly it's really fucking stuck
>>60135564

>>60135504
Nvidia keeps a tight spec on the PCBs which make them a lot more energy efficient. It's also why you can't change the vcore voltage on them. Less wattage is lost through them similar to the way different PSUs have varying efficiency.
The GPU dies themselves aren't that much different. 30watts at peak maybe? The other losses are elsewhere.

The 570 and 580 don't use so much power that it should be much of a turnoff. Maybe $1-$10 a year if you use Radeon Chill.
They're definitely way worse fps/watt, but using 170-225watts is nothing like using 400+.
An extra 70 watts is just like an extra 70 watt light bulb. It's nothing.

>>60135593
Ah right. Thought it could be that.
The left one then. The right one has worse lows but better highs.

>>60134870
relax you hot head faggot

>>60135609
Get a pair of pliers on the clip of the power connect and nudge it side to side as you tru to pull it out.

What is currently the best possible GPU/CPU setup?

A single Titan Xp?
A single 1080Ti?

Is it even worth getting two of either of these?

Which CPU is objectively the best overall for gaming?

I'm a richfag, want to spend some money, but I don't want to throw the money away.

What's a good motherboard for the GTX 1080 and i7-6700k? Been looking at the Asus Prime Z270-A at the moment.

New to pc gaming, bought a Dell T1600 and its missing some cables. What do I need to make it go from agv or the 9 pin connector to hdmi? It has a Nvidia 600 card so im guessing I need to get a cable to hook it up to a monitor to switch it over in the settings to the dvi input?

>>60135945
Titan XP is a waste of money. $1200 when it's only 10-15% better than the 1080Ti.

Maybe wait for the Vega x2 card if you want something that's truly monstrous, albeit expensive. But the x2 card is usually like 8-10 months after the initial launch.

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>>60135945
>don't want to throw the money away
>buying computer parts for gaming

>>60135974
What's a realistic percentage increase for most games if I had two 1080Tis vs one?

Is SLI still a thing, or do too few games support it properly to care about it?

>>60135945
Seriously wait for vega. Even if it can't compete with a 1080ti, you can at expect some price reductions form Nvidia.

If I were you, I'd go:

Ryzen 1800x (even though it is only marginally better than a 1700 which costs $170 less) for the XFR
1080TI / Vega

>>60135962
That is a pretty good board.

>>60135969
>9pin connector
Can't work, s-video is analog
>agv
Do you mean VGA? This is also analog, but you can get converters that will work.
Dvi to hdmi can work fine, and you can get the adapters for quite cheap of amazon.

>>60136128
Thanks

Will the cost of Ryzen still drop? If so when and how much

>>60136263
You'd probably have to wait until Intel releases their Kaby Lake X sometime in June-October.

>>60136128
Not that anon but, is it? Because I've been looking at the Asus STRIX Z270F for the i7-6700K and 1070 I was going to buy, and wondering if that was about the right set-up to go for. Is that alright, or can I dip to the prime without too much of a difference?

does this motherboard support Kaby Lake?
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/H110M-D/

Can you play games at 4k on a 1080p monitor?

>>60136000
It can be anywhere from 25-90%.
2 1080Ti in SLI isn't bad for 4K.
But I have a feeling that Vega will be a far better 4K card and it's coming next month.
You might be able to get 2 Vega cards for the price of a Titan, too.

>>60136263
I got my 1600X on sale for $220.
Saw it for $205 too.
But 1600 keep rising in price at many retailers about MSRP. They'er crazy popular.

>>60136394
For all intents and purposes they are practically the same

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-Z270F-GAMING/specifications/

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-Z270-A/specifications/

Just choose which one is cheaper, or the colour scheme that you like.

>>60136395
Yes.
Click support, then CPU support to see if you need to update your BIOS so that CPU you want to use is supported.

>>60136451
Yes. Downsampling. Both Nvidia and AMD support that.

>>60136451
Yep>>60136542
But I don't think it's worth it, You can barely notice the extra pixels, some HUDs become tiny and text is unreadable and the extra heat and noise from your GPU.

Is Ryzen 7 1700 better than ryzen 5 1600x?

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>>60136541
thanks!!

>>60136635
You can actually notice it A LOT in games using deferred renderers. You see smooth edges and it mostly gets rid of those ugly shimmering pixels.

>>60136734
???

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I've waffled on picking up this monitor all week and the sale ends in a couple of hours. I'm really just looking for a 144hz monitor, but I would like some form of sync technology, and know whatever monitor I get is probably going to lock me in to a 'team' unless Vega ends up being amazing.

Am I being stupid for thinking this way? I'm still on a 1080@60 monitor and have been considering picking up one of the 1070/1080's on sale. I just know that monitors last a really long time (my current one is over 7 years old) and I didn't want to make the wrong decision.

What are some things I can do with my PC's bluetooth? I don't like it just sitting there.

>>60137167
get a bluetooth speaker and play some music on that

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GPU: GTX 1080
RAM: G.Skill TridentZ 16GB (3000mhz)
Mobo: Asus Prime Z270-A
CPU: i7-6700k
PSU: no idea
Storage: no idea
Monitor: Samsung 1440p 27" IPS 60hz,

Not sure what PSU or SSD to get. usually on computer for about 5 hours each night, 3 hours of that gaming if that helps determine the rec. PSU, OuterVsion recommended the EVGA SuperNova 550W GS 80+ Gold, is that good or are they throwing shit at me? SSD I have no idea.

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Okay I am looking to build a Plex server. I already have the hard drives. How does this build look for that?
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Bullet25/saved/ZH3GXL

>>60137314
>1440p
>6700k
why?

>>60137376
Why would you make that for a plex server? Why not a G4560?

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>>60137376
what OS you planning to run out of curiosity

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About to pull the trigger on this

After taxes and shipping it's going to be about $1600 fucking Canada lmao

>>60137475
Ubuntu Server
>>60137448
I wanted it to be powerful enough to allow for at least two people watching at the same time.

>>60137415
I could at least justify those two things being together, but what bugs me here is that it isn't 144hz to complement the GTX 1080, and he didn't list a fan or a PSU. Worrisome.

As for an SSD, just get what everyone usually gets and get a Samsung 500GB for a boot drive

>>60137512
sound good m8
most of your shit should be in mp4/mkv anyway so im guessing you'll have to do little to no transcoding maybe a direct stream for the mkvs for certain rokus and stuff...7k passmark should be good for a few 720p streams

>>60137505
the exchange rate here fucking sucks, I know. I'm probably spending close to $2000 on my upgrade

So is 8GB no longer the optimal RAM nowadays or is it still good?

>>60137557
144hz 1440p IPS monitors are stupid expensive, atleast here in Canada. Is the 144hz really that noticeable?

>>60137620
When you start, no. But when you go back, you'll think its a stuttering mess

>>60137505
Seems fair. Your list is $1167 in the US, which is C$1595.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8QsT9W

>>60137637
I'll have to check it out in person, Youtube videos aren't that helpful. It sounds like a dream though, but I'll have to settle for a 1080p 144hz monitor later after this upgrade.

>>60137620
>>60137557
Can't really justify them together since you're going to be GPU bottlenecked at 1440p and a 1600X is just plain better than a 6700k when GPU bottlenecked except in maybe... Watch Dogs 2?

I didn't notice the monitor was only 60hz. That's a stupid price for 1440p 60hz when you can get a 1440p 144hz IPS freesync for $400 or less sometimes.
Even a 1500X would be fine for 60hz. Just a waste of $200 more for a 6700k when someone could use that money for a better monitor

> Is the 144hz really that noticeable?
I wouldn't say 144hz itself is. But 85 is a massive difference from 60. 120hz is another big difference. The difference from 120 to 144 you won't notice much.
But compared to 60, yeah it's a huge difference.

Hell, a good portion of people can tell the difference between 240 and 144, let alone the difference between 144 and 60 which is obvious to most.

>>60137731
What about 1440p vs 1080?

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help me pick a mobo /g/. these are the only ones compatible with my case, CPU and GPU combination and I was humoring the thought of going with the mortar one, but the newegg reviews are really off putting since BIOS fuckery can really screw anyone over

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813144026&nm_mc=AFC-C8JunctionCA&cm_mmc=AFC-C8JunctionCA-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10592396&PID=3938566&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-%zn

>>60137772
I find 1080p intolerable. I used 1600x1200 16 years ago, and now days I use 1920x1200.
I don't see how only 1080 vertical pixels is enough for anyone. I'm not even claustrophobic but it makes me feel that way.

>>60137799
I dunno for ATX but for mATX the Prime, Gaming 3, or Pro 4.

Also wow, those prices have jumped so much unless those aren't the lowest prices (which is typical of pcpartspicker not listing them right). Those are like $20-$35 more expensive than I've seen for those 3 boards there.

Will Ryzen eventually get better for gaming as more devs start taking it into account or is that not possible?

ASUS Prime Z270-A vs MSI Carbon Pro vs ASROCK Extreme4.

Which one wins in overclocking and all-around?

fractal define S or NZXT S340 Elite

>>60137799
asrock ab350m pro4

>>60137886
well maybe it's because the prices are from leaf country

>>60137897
It's possible - there are already games that perform better on Ryzen than Intel.

Will it happen is a different question.

Is the 470 i3 good enough for 1080p max/high settings 60fps?

>>60138009
>Will it happen is a different question.
Why wouldn't it though? I don't see any reason for it not to.

>>60138009
>there are already games that perform better on Ryzen than Intel.
Which games and have any links or vids?

>>60137589
it is still good

>>60138056
In CSGO, yeah, maybe.

>>60137897
I would think Ryzen will be a go-to for many developers.
I'm a developer and I'm getting it. It's just a "duh" purchase for me.
But there will still be idiots still using ICC even with Ryzen, I imagine...

>>60138086
Picture related.
But if you define "performs better" as better 0.1% minimums and smoothness, it performs better in more than like half of them. Nearly all of them in GPU bottlenecked scenarios.
For some reason the Ryzen 8 core is smoother than the 5960X and 6900k for so many people as well.

>>60138190
I said 60 not 200.

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>>60134461
>I read that these newer cards are hitting 78+ degrees with fans running at full throttle (they have no choice!)
depends on the load
this is idle
my CPU is hotter
GPU goes up 2 degrees when watching anime
Games? Highest I've seen was 40C

>>60138190
>Picture related.
Forgot your pic, would really like to see.

>>60134478
>are they serious enough to just get W10
the main issue is updates, contrary to Microsoft's promise of extended support until 2020 they crippled updating on windows 7 not once but twice so far
and then they decided they'll block windows 7 updates on Ryzen and newer hardware
problem is people are already going around it
https://github.com/zeffy/kb4012218-19

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>>60138190
>>60138410
This one.
It was weeks later after BIOS was improved and both systems on DDR4 3200.

>>60138270
I thought you were talking about some westmere i3.
A g4560 and RX570 should do like 140-200FPS in CSGO. Should do more in the 300fps range with a better CPU.

>>60137941
define S because it is seriously roomy

>>60138455
>that ridiculous Intel stat in Dirt 3
The fuck is with that

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no ryzen pls, critique other parts
straya so less choice/overpriced shit
1080@60hz overwatch/csgo/dota2 but i'm buying this to play tekken 7
can someone also recommend a good cooler for the i5?
total 1.2k but can go to around 1.4k

>>60138536
And how much is an R5 1600 compared to that i5 down under?

>>60138536
>no ryzen pls
No.

It should be a crime now to get an i5 today with r5 out.

>>60138478
Dirt 3 just doesn't have enough going on to drive more than 8 powerful threads.
7700k is still a very good CPU in most cases.

>>60138536
No point in optimizing the other choices when you fucked up the one that affects things the most.

>>60138554
$300
>>60138578
I don't wanna OC the 1600 and 1600X is more expensive
>>60138591
i really thought the effects in gaming is miniscule compared to each other

>>60138640
Even a 1500X is better than a 7600k, dude.
Look at Digital Foundry's 7600k vs 7700k test.
A 5GHZ 7600k is slower on average than a stock 7700 non-k. Not to mention it's a housefire. And the 1500X is +/- 5% of the 7700 non-k.

I have a x370 sli plus, it takes forever for it to post. This morning it looped for a while, luckily I had auto clear cmos enabled and it booted back on default (still slow). Did I get a faulty board? Someone can share his experience on amp MSI boards?

>>60138640
See if you can find a cheap Skylake i7 if you're so hellbent on having Intel.

>>60138661
>>60138720
i think that i7 is an overkill and the only thing stopping me from getting a ryzen is the sticky
>Nvidia GPU + Ryzen has issues in many games atm (thank you nvidia driver team)
what's the source on this?

>>60138753
>what's the source on this?
Nvidia forums
there's no point in buying a CPU that doesn't have SMT or hyperthreading now

>>60138753
And what is preventing you from getting a cheaper RX570 instead of spending so much on a 1060?

The source is tests that multiple people have done and verified. They've been posted all over the place. It's generally in DX12/Vulkan/Gameworks games. It possibly happen in other games, but none that I've personally seen. But Nvidia GPUs are less smooth and have more frametime variance in general.

What do we think boys. Already have all these other parts needed to complete it(upgrading). https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GyCFHN

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>>60138794
>4 cores 8 threads for over $330
not worth it

>>60138812
7700k is $300 right now

>>60138777
less vram, one friend had a bad experience of AMD cards, probably worse performance, and games are optimised with nvidia cards in mind

Currently running an GTX 980 (EVGA). How long should I be good for?

>>60138834
says 338 in your list

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>>60138870
until the end of this console generation

>>60138875
eBay dawg

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>>60138812
>7600k below 3770k
This is accurate.

>>60138794
>$215 motherboard
I don't really see the point. You could get a $115-$140 one. But I don't really think you're here to ask anything of us.

>>60138848
Less VRAM isn't a problem with AMD cards since they don't shit themselves when they run out of VRAM.
They marginally drop in performance, instead of dropping to 10-20% of what it should be.

>>60138948
Link to good $140 mobos. I just peeked around and saw a lot of good thing about that one in particular.

>>60134205
>Apple bankrupt

>>60138917
>eBay
This isn't 2005.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MFcwXH
Can somebody help me finish. All the parts on this I received from a friend. How do I finish it.

>>60138993
I got my 1600X from ebay for $220. New.
There are new sellers on there sort of like how Amazon stuff is often sold through another retailer.

>>60139196
Um.. even an R5 1400 would be better than an FX-8320.
I guess you have a board already, but it's just not worth it unless you're getting an 8core Vishera for under $90.

>>60139262
I already have everything on the list now I'm looking for advice on what i should get to finish it

>>60139291
Okay, you made it unclear not marking as purchased.
Just use parametric filters. Looks like all you need is a motherboard and case.

>>60139301
Sorry for the confusion. Do you have any recommendations on a mobo and case.

>>60139329
Are you in a cold climate? Get a motherboard that can overclock as it makes for a great space heater.

As for case, I like the Rosewill SRM-01 and Corsair Carbide 88r for mATX cases.

Would it be safe to power my fan hub with sata?

>>60139381
no korean fan death is dangerous

What CPU coolers already have a Ryzen bracket included? I'm thinking of going that direction but I don't want a bracket to hold up a build for a month.

>>60139602
I have an Arctic freezer 33 and it works fine. I believe every high end cooler has one (noctua has a special edition for nh-d15)

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>Can hear the high pitch whine and fan noise from my computer 3 meters away
>Want to get Phanteks P400s
>Doesn't have a slot for a DVD drive

>>60139866

I bet the whine is when under load as well. A good chunk of the time the noisiest part of your pc is your psu fan.

Never built a pc before but is this possible?
mITX and as quiet as possible
i can hook it up to my TV and play 4k videos from it
I can play Total War Warhammer at least high settings 1080p 30 fps
500gb ssd

budget < $500

I see other build and they are spending a shit ton on RAM and it is soo unclear as to what that is even for

>>60139890
Nah that's not it. It's from the cpu cooler, which I have already ordered a replacement for.

Is the Cooler Master SILENCIO 452 any good?

When is an upgrade worth it?

Currently got an rx 290 and it's just good enough for 1080p, but it's reaching it's limit.

I feel the next logical step is a 4k card, but that would require a 4k monitor.

So basically should I just wait for 4k to become affordable?

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>>60139917

Yes. Also: overclock the 290 to as far as you can cool it.

Hey guys, tech-illiterate retard here.

Is this a good build?
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/934cvV
Already got a cooler and OS.

>>60139906
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dHWFr7
use remaining 30$ for a cpu cooler
you'd probably need to turn some settings down for warhammer.

personally i'd wait and see how ryzen r3 cpus perform.

>>60140323
>i7 instead of ryzen
>only 2400mhz ram
>no ssd
>two 1tb drives instead of one 2tb
>gtx 1060 instead of rx 580
>expensive case (imo)
>shit psu
>overpriced wireless adapter

>>60139950
>mfw 270 is not even there

Guess its time to upgrade, whats a good monitor too? Not looking for 4k or meme hertz.
Is freesync or gsync worth it for gaming? What is it even.

>>60140323

>6700k

Nyet.

>no ssd

Nyet

>that psu

Okay/10

>that case

Nyet. Define R5.

>>60140323
Unless you're looking to buy other parts/shit later you might consider a smaller case.

>>60140383

> whats a good monitor too?

Thats on you to research - monitors are the unsung element of a good PC build.

>What is it even.

Adaptive sync. A typical monitor runs at exactly two refreshes rates 30hz and 60hz. Anytime your framerate is anything other than those you get screen tearing. What freesyncx and gsync do is change the monitor's refresh rate to the fps that is being output so it eleminates this screen tearing. Essentially they provide a level of smoothness you'd normally only get with vsync engaged but at any fps (assuming it is within the range the monitor supports).

It won't help for framepacing as thats all on the gpu, but it makes games that go from lots of frames to low frames feel smooth. A good example is watch dogs 2 - walking through corridors and alleys can easily push high fps but the second you walk out into the bustling streets fps tanks - free/gsync avoids the tearing yo usee as fps plummets.

>>60140323
>Thought that price was too much for a 6700K
>see 7700k price
Whoa canada.
Otherwise RAM is kind of crap, you can get 3000MHz versions of the same chips for only a little more
Get a 500watt evga or cooler master or something, corsair isn't even a good brand no need to spend that much on a bronze 430watt
Also what's with the 2 1TB hard drives?
Get a 2 TB HDD or ssd.

>>60140413
Well isnt this a fine and detailed answer.
Thanks, i guess i will look for a good budget monitor with freesync if vega turns out to be good.

>>60140413
>A typical monitor runs at exactly two refreshes rates 30hz and 60hz. Anytime your framerate is anything other than those you get screen tearing
It's just vsyncing.
and a 60hz monitor can also vsync at 20 and 15fps.

Should I be worried about overusing an NVMe drive if it's my system storage device? Intel 600p 525Gb if relevant.

>>60140381
>>60140386
>>60140417
Is this better?
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/N7CHD8

What is a good wireless card that supports ac?

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>>60140381
interdasting, but it is kinda important the case its mitx/ as small as possible. Here is my attempt but idk wtf im doing.

>>60140557

Better. You are spending on a tiny bit more but are getting a lot more hardware.

>>60139602
>What CPU coolers already have a Ryzen bracket included? I'm thinking of going that direction but I don't want a bracket to hold up a build for a month.
Apparently Thermaltake Le Grande Macho do if they were made in 2017.
And 2 Noctua models.
Cryorig sends theirs fast if you're in the US, though.

>>60140587
There are some tiny mITC cases. Lian Li and Antec make some, among others. Just search yourself for them.

>>60138675
Bumpety bump?

NVME drives have become cheaper. They're only about $20 more expensive than an SSD equivalent at the same capacity (120GB)

thinking about installing my OS one of them. Are the speeds that noticeable compared to the 6gb/s SSD's?

>>60140662
No, read the sticky. For what I can remember you have to wait for the microcontroller to warm up so they're actually slower in boot time.

should i reuse my 4 year old H100i?

>>60140587
i mean you're going like 100$ over your budget but it looks fine, i'd only get 2400mhz memory instead and by going 2x4gb you won't be able to upgrade in future since mobo has only 2 memory slots.

>>60140672
That's why I'm running a 128Gb SATA SSD just for OS and programs and a 525Gb for content. Best of both worlds.

Longer term storage gets farmed out to the NAS (which also has monthly images or each or the other drives).

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thoughts?

Are R5s bad? I wanted the G4560, but I don't want it to drag this build down.


>>60134205
>State the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET
I want a worthwhile PC capable of running your typical flavor of the month AAA games and emulators (Dolphin, CEMU).

My budget is somewhere around (or less than) 650 refugee bux.

>State COUNTRY if not USA.
computeruniverse is a German store

>List resolution & hz if gaming.
I will be okay with PS4 Pro/X1 Scorpio levels of performance

>>60140739
get the 1600, it's a better value and change your memory to either 2400mhz or 3200mhz if you get the samsung e-die

>>60140739
No, the 1500X is more than twice as good as the G4560. But the G4560 is a lot cheaper.

Build looks fine if that's the only GPU choice you have around the price change.
CL 16 is also quite high for 2666MHz and you should get a semi-modular PSU. But I guess you're already pushing the budget.
Imo get an RX570 and improve the other stuff.
Get a motherboard with VRM heatsinks, too.

fuck, i just bought the 1070 when i could've afforded the money for the 1080.

how badly did i fuck up?

>>60140781
Hugely.

>>60140799
wts 1x1070 graphics card

if and when vega does come out will there be a price drop on the gtx 10xx line? the Ti to be more specific.
do these things happen? if so how soon from the launch from one of the competitors gpu to the other?

No one replies on the other thread so the question here again:
Anyone using phenom ii X6? How its Price/perfomance?

>>60140939

>fuck sake why can't AMD compete!?
>not that I would ever touch AMD stuff, I just want Nvidia/Intel hardware cheaper

>>60140963
no no dont get me wrong, i have an amd card in my rig and i do prefer them, but i just want the best card in the market right now since im tired of going for the "best for your buck" thing or mid-range ones.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2HpCVY

First new build in a long ass time. How bad did I do, /g/? The mobo is going to be this thing when it finally gets stocked: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138452

What build do I need to run TF2 at 144fps? Would a G4560 suffice?

>>60141110
R5 + 480 could do it. do people even still play TF2?

>>60141107
consider going for r5 1600 (best value) and b350 mobo. i doubt you'll benefit from x370.

64gb ssd is a joke, 128gb is MINIMUM and 250gb is optimum

go for one 2tb hdd instead of two 1tb

irrc the gigabyte g1 is kind of loud. i might be wrong tho.

obligatory WAIT FOR VEGA.

Please help me decide.

i7 7700k or r7 1700?

I do both gaming and professional Blender work with my system but I play on a 1440p 144hz monitor so I still want to all the FPS I can muster.

What do you guys think??

>>60141151

>blender

Ryzen, no question.

>>60141156
You think so?

For gaming, you think 8 cores will eventually be the norm?

>>60141151
If your monitor has Freesync/Gsync you'll benefit more from the stable framerates and frametimes of a Ryzen than the deceptively high averages and peaks from an i7. Also, Blender loves Ryzen.

>>60141125
>do people even still play TF2?

40,000–80,000 concurrent on average

>>60141166
>If your monitor has Freesync/Gsync you'll benefit more from the stable framerates and frametimes of a Ryzen
Really? Why?

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>>60140761
>>60140762
thanks

Quick follow-up: Is 1600 a lot better? should I be worried about Vega? Are 8 gig RX- cards worth it?

>>60141107
Looks good, here is what i have to say:
Removing the cooler to upgrade to an R5 1600 would give you better performance, unless you absolutely need the extra MHz the cryorig cooler will allow you to achieve. But even then i wouldn't recommend it, up to you.

64GB SSD is kinda... very low capacity. You should up that to 120GB if you can afford to, because at the 64 one isn't even gonna fit GTAV, doom or hitman. Unless you intend to use it as a cache for the second 1TB hard drive or something. If so, i'd recommend getting a $70 ~ $80 seagate 2TB as a second hard drive, double the capacity and from personal experience (take it with a grain of salt) i found it to be about 40MB/s faster than my 1TB WD Caviar Blue, even though they have as much cache and are both 7200 rpm drives. It's also pretty cheap for double the capacity.

Also, as the anon said, you should consider going b350, i don't think x370 would benefit you at all. You can find B350 mobos for $90 or such

>>60141184
consistent frametimes with no tearing looks better than 10% higher framerates

Does it make sense to get 2400MHZ Cas 10 DDR3? I have a 4790k with 1600MHZ cas 9 memory at the moment.

>>60141200
>>60141144

I look out for the 350 whenever it drops, then. Waiting for ITX mobos for Ryzen is suffering.

>>60141216

I have an rx480 btw

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>>60141151
The r7 1700 completely dominates the 7700k in blender, and although it doesn't manage as high as the 7700k it's still within 10 ~ 15% of it and has more consistent frametimes. Unless you absolutely absolutely want to hit 144fps constantly (because you can somehow notice when it goes under that), the r7 1700 is a much more solid choice for you. The R7 1700 also has quite an enormous amount of headroom left while playing game, so if you don't want to close your bender while gaming or multitask a lot, it's also superior.

>>60141110
>>60141125
lmao stop pushing r5/580 to everyone. tf2 doesn't even fucking use 4 cores.

g4560 and even used 750ti/new 460 is going to be more than enough. shit optimization is shit tho, you'll notice drops in heavy fights.

>>60141184
A Ryzen will feel smoth even if the framerate is 10 FPS lower on average than an i7 because it delivers frames more consistently, while i7s will shit the bed frequently with stutters and FPS peaks/valleys even if the average is higher.

Personal experience: 1440p@144Hz@Freesync monitor. When I had an i5 most games wouldn't still feel smooth whenever the average framerate went above 70-80FPS and it would be extremely noticeable for example in WOW's cast bar. You'd see the bar filling itself with visible stutter. That's because the i5 couldn't deliver frames consistently, even if it was still delivering an average of 80 per second. Diablo III was almost an unplayable mess if I didn't cap the framerate to 60Hz and vsync that shit whenever the screen was full of enemies, and this is a game designed to run on potato computers.

Now with an R5 it's a completely different story. Yeah, the average framerate is barely 10-15 FPS higher but it's no longer choking and frames are delivered smoothly. Again, extremely noticeable in the cast bar.

The fact that i7 CPUs are "bruteforcing" high framerates is good if you have regular Vsync at 60 to 120 so staying above that figure will give you a smooth experience (and will go to shit for a moment if it does not). For adaptative sync you want frametimes to be as stable as possible.

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Does Ryzen+nvidia GPU really cause problems? I was going to shove a 1070 in my next rig, but should I be looking at 580s instead?

>>60141330
it's a problem nvidia has with 6+ cores cpus, and still it's pretty rare, very few games do this

I need a 1440p 120/144Hz for gaymen and watching chinese cartoons and porn.
Can you gus give me some recommendation or place where I can look?

>>60141330
Only in DX12 games AFAIK

>>60141349
where you can look what?
We're not here to make the build for you, but to give you advices based on an already exisiting build
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcforme/

>>60141354
happens in dx11 ROTR & rocket league though

>>60141330
i know your just a savefag but source now

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>>60141362
judging from the characters appearance i think it's this one

>>60141361
Okay autismo lord.

I forgot one word.
I guess specifying the resolution and refresh rate wasn't enough of a clue for your bird brain.


I need a 1440p 120/144Hz MONITOR (M) (O) (N) (I) (T) (O) (R)for gaymen and watching chinese cartoons and porn.

>>60141379
excuse me but theyre exceptionally different. im pretty sure its sakuya anyway, but there is so many doujin i dont wanty to go through every one

>>60141389
oh ok
but i'm not gonna help you because you are mean

>>60141389
Freesync/Gsync or not? Size range? IPS or TN? Just input those values in any web store, discard chinkish brands and come back to us when you're set on 2-3 possible models. We're not spoonfeeding your stupid ass.

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>>60141396
You're the one who started the fight.
I'm not some weak-willed fuccboi who gets bullied on an anonymous imageboard without answering back.

>>60141419
Nvidia card, so no freesync.
Gsync is an overpriced retarded gimmick anyway.
I'd rather have an IPS but /g/ told me they have shit response time and ghosting.
Fuck you by the way.

>>60141444
sorry i'm not helping pedos.

>>60140956
I have PII 1090T, I have been using it since 2010.

Would not recommend it at this point unless you are poor and can get it extremely cheap because as the singlecore performance is bad enough that it drags everything down. Even a modern i3 is faster in almost every situation despite 4 less real cores / 2 less threads.

Upgrading to Ryzen later this year will be at least 2x performance for me.

>>60141444
get bullied

>>60141568
Will you help me if I let you bully me?

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>>60141573
sorry anon i don't know much about screens

>>60141389
http://www.144hzmonitors.com/gaming-monitor-list-120hz-144hz-165hz-200hz-240hz/

You can use this as a starting point and research individuals models from there.

MSI x370 sli plus or asus crosshair vi hero? I want good vrms and best compatibility for 3000 mhz ddr4

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>>60140956
been using this pc for atleast 6 years now and the cpu hasn't given me any issues

>>60141678
Pretty hot. Does your Phenom report temperatures at +20 degrees too?

>>60141444
FWIW I personally don't think anyone should buy a TN these days unless you are literally competing in a cash-prize FPS tournament, or are poor as shit.

Not that long ago if you wanted high refresh and good latency TN was the only option. These days there are many options for IPS and VA screens with high refresh and good enough latency to make them perfectly viable for gaming.

The color, contrast, and viewing angles from TN to IPS and VA is such a massive improvement that the minor loss in responsiveness is absolutely worth it.

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>>60141710
okay what the fuck, i literally have no idea why it skyrocketed this quick

thank god i'm buying a new pc next month

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>>60141678
>>60141710
It shouldn't. Here's my build.

>>60141718
>>60141648
Alright, seems like an IPS 2560*1440 144Hz is way more expensive than I expected.

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Honestly just jumped the gun and placed an order for this weeks ago and I'm starting to regret it just a little.

Is this good enough to run overwatch on decently high settings?

I don't really know what I'm doing.

>>60142091
Why do you only regret it a little?
That's one of the worst builds I've seen.

>>60142091
You didn't do great, but you'll be fine.

>>60142091
You got a locked i3 and a z270 board?
Why?

>>60142091
>Is this good enough to run overwatch on decently high settings?
yeah, and it will also works well in other games but christ, a dual core for a gaming build in 2017... plus the z270 mobo for some random reason :/

At least you can sell the still boxed i3 and get an i5 7600 or something, depending on your remaining budget

>>60142148
>>60142091
dude that's terrible
>fucking i3 when there's pentium/ryzen
>with z270 board
>but 2133mhz ram (???)
>and 4gb 480

yes it'll run overwatch nice but still that's pretty bad.

>Buy an Optiplex for 50eur
>Add a e5450 for 20eur
>Add my old 550 Ti
Is this okay just for light gaming like DotA 2? Im a cheap fuck and dont can waste much money on electronics right now

>16gb ddr4 3200 MHz corsair on sale on Amazon.de for 80€
>look for a friend for reship
>they reply in an hour
>out of stock

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>60142187
7600 is kind of a waste too. You can get a 6600K for less and it's only a smidge cheaper than the 7700K

>>60142268
*7600K

>>60142268

>housefire lake

Have you learned nothing?

>>60142300
he has an LGA 1151 mobo so he's locked to housefire lake

>>60142300
Can you convey your arguments in anything other than memes for a second?
He's already got a z270 board for some reason, he might as well make lemonade.

>>60142187
>>60142150
T-thanks...

>>60142148
>>60142126
>>60142187
I'm assuming this means the i3 is bad.. I don't get what's going on about the mobo..

Only used logicalincrements as my guideline and I was going for the i5 at first but then I read somewhere that i3 was good enough, so being the cheapo I was a downgraded last minute..

Oh yeah, I also paid extra to have it built for me since this is my first

>>60142342
>I don't get what's going on about the mobo..
Nothing wrong with the mobo except that it's one made for overclockers, and you're getting and locked cpu with it


>I'm assuming this means the i3 is bad..
it is but if you only play overwatch it'll be fine, could've saved the money by getting a g4560 though which performs extremely close fo rmuch less

>Only used logicalincrements as my guideline and I was going for the i5 at first but then I read somewhere that i3 was good enough, so being the cheapo I was a downgraded last minute..
should've asked us

>>60142342
A z270 board is for overclocking but it can only overclock K series chips. they're also more expensive.
And an i3 isn't exactly bad it's just not more than slightly better than a pentium G4560 and it's more expensive so there's no reason to ever buy one other than a sale that brings it close to the pentium's price. You just paid $110 for a $60 chip is all.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NwfQ9W

Also the monitor I plan on using, since it's not on pcpartpicker: https://iiyama.com/gb_en/products/g-master-ge2488hs-b2/

Do I pull the trigger /pcbg/?
I've been told that soundcards/network cards aren't required these days since the onboard ones are good enough, is this true (I'm only gonna use 2 basic speakers)?
Anything else you would change?

>>60142342
Everything you bought will fit and work together, which is better than some people do for their first build.

As simple as I can make it, the main issue with your build is that the parts aren't really balanced for price/performance.

i3 is low performance / medium price (ie. not great value generally)
Z270 is high performance / high price
2133 ram is low performance / low price
HDD is low performance / low price
RX480 is medium performance / medium price
Case is medium price
PSU is med-high performance / med-high price

When the parts aren't balanced, your overall system ends up costing more and performing worse than a comparable system that is well balanced.

>>60142220
yeah it should be fine. make sure to get slbbm e5450, it costs the same and overclocks better.

>>60142342
>Only used logicalincrements as my guideline
You're the reason that logical increments was removed from the OP. It's TERRIBLE.

We still have the paid shill that's paid to promote that site that spams and shittalks about it every few days.

>>60142427
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NwfQ9W
>https://iiyama.com/gb_en/products/g-master-ge2488hs-b2/
>freesync monitor with a 1070
I'm also laughing at how that's maybe 25% better than these $750 builds that have been posted.

>>60142534
Why would anyone shill a website on /g/?
Surely this would be one of the highest concentrations of adblockers on the internet after IRC groups.

>>60142548
>freesync monitor with a 1070
>I'm also laughing at how that's maybe 25% better than these $750 builds that have been posted.
I'm not following I'm afraid. I haven't build a PC for 7+ years now.

>>60142503
>overclocks better
i can overclock on a dell mobo?

>>60142548
>>60142572
By which I mean that I would appreciate construcive criticism.

>>60142574

I doubt.

>>60142574
in that case you might as well check if it supports xeons (i suppose you're doing 771 to 775 mod)

I've been running G3258/650Ti/8GB for gaming @ 1680x1050 since 2015 and recently upgraded to an i5-4590 I found for cheap on Craigslist. Yesterday I ordered a 1050Ti for $130 over a 1060 for $172. Was that a bad decision and if so is it worth returning? I just want to run PUBG reasonably well and Overwatch maxed out.

>>60142441
>>60142389
>>60142370
Dang this is actually quite informative.
Thanks a lot guys I honestly didn't expect this much help..

So if I were to try and "balance" this out(if it's not too late), what should I be looking out for?
I get that the general consensus is that cpu wasn't the best choice, and the ram should be better?

Anyways, off to sleep because I've got work in less than 6 hours... I'll check back if there's anything. Thanks again.

>>60142548
a be quiet pure rock might not be enough for ideal temps, the 7700k really heats a lot, i'd recommend getting a $40 cooler if possible so that it doesn't reach worrying temp ever.
Other than that, it's good. But i'm wondering, why are your getting a western digital black? Just wanting to know what makes it that you pick it instead of a regular cheaper one.

>>60142220
You're probably not going to be able to put all that on a Dell PSU

>>60142719
balancing would be getting an i5 7600k. It'd be nice to have higher speed but it's not worth to sell the current one you ahve for a 2% increase at best.

>>60142572
Freesync only works with AMD graphics cards. You won't be able to use that feature with a 1070. The rest of the monitor features will work as usual.

G-Sync is the Nvidia counterpart to Freesync and similarly only works with Nvidia graphics cards.

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>>60142658
i'd get 1060. 42$ for 44% more performance sound pretty good.

also pubg won't run well on anything since it's an unoptimized mess atm.

>>60142785
I thought it was only ~25% higher. I'll probably return it then. Thanks.

>>60142725
Thanks about the cooler, that's something I wouldn't know.

People criticised me for using Seagate in this general before, since they are supposed to be unreliable.
It doesn't matter?

If everything else is good as you say, I'll just find another coole and then maybe pull the trigger. Are you familiar with the SSD by chance? I've never had any contact with that technology.

>>60142779
Thank you, you saved me from a silly mistake here. That monitor actually got recommended to me by somebody who knew I would be getting a GTX1070.

So basically I want a similar screen with G-Sync? Or does is incur a price premium for a feature that I don't really need?

>>60142867

Gsync usually costs a fair bit more than the equivalent freesync screen.

>>60142905
Does freesync incur a price premium? Should I try to get one without either?

>>60142644
>if it supports xeons
its the 380 so i am very sure this support the e5450 (or at least is listed on the delidded website on tested mobos section)

>>60142559
adblockers don't block shills.

>>60142719
Best to send back the RAM, motherboard, CPU, and get a Ryzen 1500X or 1600 build.

>>60142923
Yes. Gsync is $50-$400 more depending on the monitor.

That's why 1070 generally isn't advisable. It's not worth the Freesync cost. If you're going to spend the extra for Gsync, you should be getting a 1080 or 1080Ti.

>>60142923
>>60143093
To add, you could have gotten a 1440p 144hz Freesync IPS AND a computer that can run it at at least 60fps in most games for less money than you're spending JUST on the PC there. That's how different the price is.

>>60142342
>Only used logicalincrements as my guideline
Don't, it was made by a /v/ crossboarder who initially took good advice but then later on turned maximum shillimus after they started getting sent free shit to advertise their products.

>>60143113
How? Is there a partlist floating around in this thread somewhere?

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>>60142867
>People criticised me for using Seagate in this general before, since they are supposed to be unreliable.
>It doesn't matter?
It does, Seagate does seem to have higher failure rate but while they used to be the worse by an enormous margin, it's pretty much the same now except for their 4TB hard drives
It's not about the brand but more because Western Black are much more expensive per GB because they are made specifically with both durability and performance in mind, which isn't relevant for the average consumer and gamers at all. 2TB hard drives go for as cheap as $65 so paying $120 for one when you don't specifically need it's feature is kind of a waste. You could get 2x 1TB hard drives for this price which, when ran in raid, would offer a theoritical double the speed.
Which is in fact what i would recommend instead, having one hard drive for your OS, programs & movies with the other for your games. Or you can go for a 2TB one and just have everything on it, your choice.

>Are you familiar with the SSD by chance? I've never had any contact with that technology.
Yes i am, what do you want to know?r

>>60142923
Freesync is a software solution while G-sync is hardware, G-sync as another anon said can add from $50 to $400, while freesync adds at most $20 and usually doesn't even change the price at all

>>60143093
Not that anon, but I want to ask this anyway. So let's say I wanted something like the Asus VG248QE with 144hz with the 1070. Would that be advisable, or could I shoot for higher with the 1080? What kind of monitor could I get then? G-Sync included?

Or not since, doesn't really matter either way to me to be honest.

>>60143162
There's been a few decent builds posted in this thread.
And you can get the MG279Q on sale for $400 at times, like a few days ago.

Why are 2560*1440 monitors still so expensive?
It's 2017 goddamnit.

>>60143311

Its a dead resolution. The next push is 4k and lots of 4k panels are hitting the market while 2560x1440 remains the domain of l33t gaymurs

>>60143176
Thanks for the elaborate reply.
I don't think I have any reason to be paranoid either, since I had my last HDD for 7 years without any major problems. I guess I could spend some money there.
>Yes i am, what do you want to know?
If it's a good choice. Like I said I don't know much about them and their prices can vary a lot depending on brand, speeds, capacity etc.

>>60143241
Well the thing is, I don't know if I actually NEED a 144HZ Monitor right now. I mean I might be interested in one down the line (might help if I get the chance to actually experience the difference somwhere), but right now I'm content with "regular" ones.
Upgrading to one wouldn't be too much of a deal, since I'm gonna use my old monitor as the second screen and should I ever want to use a 144Hz one, I'll just use the newer monitor as the second screen instead.


I usually buy a good PC once every 5-7 years and then just swap parts that break/are becoming too much of a bottleneck, so I guess I would be fine with overspending a bit.

I'll take a look at the other options though, thank you.

>>60143492
4K is literally a meme though.
Not even a $500+ GPU can run games at that resolution at a decent (60 minimum) framerate.
Hell, most high end GPU still struggle with recently released games like Deus Ex or Dishonored at 1080p.
It will take at least 5 years until we get actual 4K capable GPU.

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OS.Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
CPU:AMD Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
GPUGigabyte Radeon RX 570 4GB Gaming 4G Video Card
Motherboard:Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. H61M-D2H-USB3 (Socket 1155)

Can someone help me if these match?

>>60143588
Hence why 1440p is now becoming the realm of high-refresh gaming screens, and 4K is the realm of 60hz general use.

I just wish there were more options for 1080p/144hz IPS/VA screens, which would be a sweet-spot for mid-tier and budget builds. I'd buy the Samsung Quantum Dot 144hz but-for the fact that it is curved.

>>60143311
Yeah I've been looking into getting one recently not knowing what to expect, but they're a lot more expensive than I would have guessed. It's been years since I bought a new monitor so I thought getting a decent resolution and framerate bump up wouldn't be too bad.

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>>60143588

>Not even a $500+ GPU can run games at that resolution at a decent (60 minimum) framerate.

>>60143628
>memedose 7
>Ryzen
>Intel socket
Hum, no sweetie.