/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>RX 570 is usually all you need for 1080p@60hz
stop this meme
you need at last rx580/480 or 1060 for confort
you can happily play in 1080p on 470/570 but its far from
>all you need

>>60120050
>>60120050
>>60120050
real thread

>>60120121
lol you're so fucking retarded it's funny

reddit fags never get old

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Does win7 x64 ultimate actually run decently on Risen?

Because if it does i might actually hold off on buying another build for a couple more months still and get a current gen ryzen build instead

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>>60120194
>>60120194
What the fuck? This isn't the picture i downloaded earlier

Goddamn tech review sites i fucking swear

>>60120194
Performance is better on average in win10.

>>60120105
You keep spamming the same thing every thread and in all sorts of other threads yet you have dozens of people disagreeing with you and repeatedly disproving your bullshit with cited sources.
I give up and I'm just going to call you a faggot now.

You're borderline on breaking the spamming rule since you keep saying the same thing over and over, derailing threads, despite being disproven repeatedly.

Well fuck me, apparently the kikerosoft devs have flagged all ryzen win7 systems to be excluded from the windows update server;

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5zob94/microsoft_is_now_blocking_windows_7_and_windows/

Anyone know if this can be manually circumvented thru AutoPatcher/WSUS et al?

There's gotta be a way to do a standalone install of these security patches/update packages on win 7 ryzen systems

>>60120264
>>60120264
>Performance is better on average in win10.

Kek yeah but the price for that performance increase is volunteering all your information and the stuff you type to (((microsoft))) even if you """opt out""" of telemetry

>>60120302
You can literally google just what you asked and get an answer as one of the first results
>"circumvent windows 7 ryzen update blocking"
/pcbg/ is not for "google this for me"

>>60120314
Buy it for $30 off Kinguin or don't buy it.
I'd primarily use Linux anyway now days. Linux is so much better now than 10 years ago.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jmcnJV

Upgrading to a strictly gaming PC. 1440p 144hz with VR in the future. I have basically no idea what I'm doing and just assembled this list off a nights worth of research and YouTube videos. Any advice would be appreciated

I think I know the answer but how is x265 encoding on ryzen 7?

I got some DVD rips of tv shows that take for fucking ever on my 3570k @ 4.3Ghz.

>>60120417
And by forever I mean like half an hour per 23min episode

>>60120345
Dude chill out it's just a question lol

>>60120345
I already got both x86 and x64 iso's when they offered the ""free upgrade"" to windows 10 to everyone last year (free as in give us all your data as a payment lel)

So yah i'm good, i'd much rather opt for some barely noticeable slightly worse performance than volunteering all my data to fucking microsoft, besides i could update to win10 anyways later on if i wanted

>>60120050
>all dose emulators
fuuuuuuuck I want a 1700 right now

>>60120417
Bumping since i also want to know this

>>60120194
>Does win7 x64 ultimate actually run decently on Risen?
It's supported by AMD. Download the shit below to get your drivers. Funnily enough it doesn't mention support for 8.1
https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/am4-chipset-driver.aspx

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>>60120417
You're doing it wrong.

>>60120302
>Well fuck me, apparently the kikerosoft devs have flagged all ryzen win7 systems to be excluded from the windows update server;
There's a github for circumventing it not just for Ryzen but Skylake and Kabylake too
So much for supporting windows 7 until 2020
MS can get sued for this

>tfw you stress test your 3.95 ghz oc and it's stable
>3200 mhz mem stable
I'M GOING EVEN DEEPER
>>60120417
very good

Why are there two threads? Just gonna repost what I said in the other one:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4dQW8K

Wanting to upgrade from an i3 2100 that has 8gb ddr3. Have a 1tb WD black drive, and a 1050 GTX that I dont plan on upgrading for 1-2 years.

Prime uses: gaming on my 1600x1200 res monitor (lol), with some video editing on the side as a hobby.

Thoughts on the RAM? Would like to shave off money on the RAM and SSD if possible.

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>>60120417
Check this.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11170/the-amd-zen-and-ryzen-7-review-a-deep-dive-on-1800x-1700x-and-1700/20

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>>60120527
>Thoughts on the RAM? Would like to shave off money on the RAM and SSD if possible.
Check if the RAM won't cause you any problems, there's a list somewhere.

>>60120486
Is that 8 hours or 8 minutes? What settings are you running?

I have some basic bitch settings. 20 RF constant quality. and basically default everything else.

>>60120415
Not too bad but I would drop the AIO water cooler and get a regular fan cooler if you don't plan on overclocking a whole lot. A Cryorig H7 or scythe Fuma should be fine if staying stock or light OCing, and get a real water cooling system if you do some heavy duty shit since AIO coolers are kind of loud.

>>60120552
That's x264 (pretty much preset very slow), with deinterlacing, sharpening, dehaloing, and debanding.

Should I get an i5 or i7 for arma 3
Currently running i3 4130, tried my friend's i5 6500 and it already runs like a dream in comparison online and with lots of ai

>>60120415
Also don't buy a "gaming" motherboard, it's just gimmicks and LEDs used to attract MLG 369 nu-scope kids who think a gaming mobo means it's somehow more powerful than a regular mobo. You can get it if you want but you'll be wasting money on features you'll never use. An asus z270 prime-a will give you what you want for $30 less.

>>60120527
>>60120544
No ryzen fixed it's problems
you have to check on a per motherboard basis
2400 usually doesn't have problems

Is there any reason to get an i5 over Ryzen?

>>60120590
i5 is fine for most games. i7 is something you'd want if you stream your game play, create media like videos or music, do some CAD or want to utilized multicore programs and games like battlefield 1. I got an i7 since I use it for solidworks and it works well with flow simulation too. Plan far ahead with somethings like a PC since depending on what you study/work for, your computer will make assignments easier to do. If you're only gaming and doing light work with program, i5 is perfect. If you want to do a lot of heavier games and work on streaming, video editting or making shit, i7 will make it easier.

>>60120652
better single core performance, edge in games

>>60120095
>>60120095
>>60120095

real thread

>>60120652
really only the 6600k if you are going absolute pure gaymen (a 1600 will still beat it in many cases and comes with a cooler and mobo can be cheaper for oc)
other than that, no

>>60120688
fuck off this one was first and has more posts.

>>60120509
what voltage and board? grats tho.

>>60120527
Report the other for spamming. It's some fuckhead that should be banned. Might already be banned and keeps evading it.

>Thoughts on the RAM? Would like to shave off money on the RAM and SSD if possible.
There's $5 cheaper faster RAM for sale on newegg. Team Dark I think. 2x8GB DDR4 3000 for $100.
I'd get a 500GB+ SU800 or MX300 instead for $30-$40 more instead of something cheaper, though..

>>60120528
Is that not using the hardware encoder on the 7700k which is much less quality for a given bitrate?

>>60120721
not sure if you're retarded or just trolling, real thread had posts first

>>60120688
>>60120688
>>60120688

>>60120748
>4 minutes later
>first

what OS would you put on your brand new build?
Would you unironically go with win10?

>>60120528
>http://www.anandtech.com/show/11170/the-amd-zen-and-ryzen-7-review-a-deep-dive-on-1800x-1700x-and-1700/20
Okay so get a 7700k over ryzen. Got it.

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I need a motherboard, Intel CPU, and 8gb of ram for around $200. What should I get?

I might need a graphics card too so what should I get for around $200 if I also needed a graphics card?

>>60120801
Where on earth did you even come close to that conclusion?

>>60120774
I would install Linux and use run Windows in a VM with PCI passthrough

>>60120806
G4560 unless an i3-7100 is still on sale for $80-$90.

>>60120839

Intel Core i5 7600
16 GB 2400 MHz RAM
500 GB SSD
2 TB HDDs x2
MSI Radeon Gaming X 580 8 GB

>>60120806
8gb of ram is around $50-$60 regardless of brand, so a $150 cpu+mobo combo is what you should aim for. i3-7100 is good but g4560 is easier on your wallet at the moment. And any mobo is good as long as you don't buy a "gaming" mobo.

>>60120855
>i5
>current year

>>60120050
>Nvidia GPU + Ryzen has issues in many games atm
There's a 970 in my area for a 100 bucks, but I also want to get Ryzen for a new build. What do, /g/?

>>60120264
>dozens of people disagreeing with you
many people baing wrong at the same doesnt make wrong any less wrong

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Alright. So I am in a shit spot right now and need advice and knowledge.

After spending all fucking day looking up what went wrong with my PC and why it won't boot, it has been narrowed down to either bad RAM or a bad motherboard. ASUS support (I have a Crosshair VI Hero for my Ryzen 1700) explained to me that it is most likely the RAM because Corsair Dominator DDR4 is not part of the Qualified Vendor List (QVL). He said they could work for a while, but will most likely die/no longer work randomly like they did today.

So I am thinking, that I will get a refund on the RAM only and buy a compatible one. I don't think an RMA on the Motherboard would work since it does get power sort of (leds are on and such, but it won't boot). So what should I do /pcbg/?

>>60120890
Run memtest first at least.

(Windows Memory Diagnostic)

>>60120740
Tomahawk
1.365 I think on voltage
gonna try to get the 4.0

>>60120890
take ram out and try single stick try with each stick
chances that all of them failed at the same time are slim

is the b350 mortar a shitty board for the price?

>>60120895
I can't do any tests is the problem. The thing won't boot up at all. So this is why I ask for advice. I have no spare parts or anything. I pretty much have to hope the support was right and get new RAM and HOPE that it works.

>>60120903
Tried that in every slot. Did by twos and by ones. Still won't boot.

>>60120881
970 for $100 is a reasonable deal as long as you understand you'll need to drop settings to make sure you stay under 3.5GB VRAM usage or it shits itself.

Most ryzen+nvidia GPU problems can be avoided by not using DX12 or Vulkan, which is usually an option and should be done with an Nvidia GPU anyway. But there are some DX12 only games, and some upcoming Vulkan only ones, and Gameworks games still cause a problem which might get fixed.
At $100, it might be worth going for. Shame you missed those $90-$130 and less RX470 sales.

>>60120882
That's true, but they have citations to back up how wrong the statement is.

>>60120913
Audio is decent. But if you need decent audio, get a DAC instead.

>>60120938
it's probably not ram as i said chances of both sticks to fail at once are so slim that it doesn't happen.
The fans spin but you have nothing on the screen? Did you made sure gpu is not at foult?

>>60120956
yes quotas like
>you don't need more than medium/high
>you dont need more than 60 fps average

and by going with this way of thinking i dont need to play at all

580 8gb is no brainer and worth to pay up if you are already in 570 price range.
get even an entery level 580 8gb model

i seen people going for high end 4gb 570 with unless you are silence freek is so ridiculous i cant stomak that.

Ant finally trully 1080p you dont need more card is a gtx1070 that will let you play at rock solid 60 always (at last 99% of time) but it is a big pay up over 580.

>>60121054
>quotas
*quotations

>>60120994
Nothing happens at all. No fans spin, no noise, no screen start, etc. It's pretty much as if there was nothing in the case. I thought it was the power button cable, but I already tested it with a replacement I had lying around and double checked to see it was connected right. The PSU works fine and is connected as well.

The only two culprits left are the motherboard or the RAM. But again, the reason I bring up RAM is because the ASUS support guy made me think that was the case since the Corsair Dominators aren't on the QVL. It's such a shitty situation. I am almost certain it is the RAM because the motherboard does have lights, but being a newbie to PC building, I don't know for certain. Can no RAM really prevent a boot from occuring?

>>60121077
>No fans spin
its psu or motherboard


>because the motherboard does have lights
dude fans literally do not spin
you dont need to butt up to have them spinning just power delivered

>ASUS support guy made me think
>asus guy says asus is not at foult
.....

why did you even call costumer support? They are useless and i mean it for every company not just asus. If you want costumer support get prebuild lol.
Take your pc to local pc shoop and pay them like 10$ to test what is wrong with your pc.

>>60121160
Alright, I'll just RMA the mobo then. I'm not experienced with PC building so I didn't know for sure what to do. All I knew was it was either the RAM or Mobo. Sucks that I even have to deal with this so often. Seriously wish I bought a prebuilt sometimes. The amount of faulty shit I get is fucking ridiculous.

The reason I thought ASUS guy was right, or at least made me think, was because it was a weird thing to say. I was 100% certain that my RAM was compatible, but for him to bring up that OVL thing was unexpected.

>>60120890
When did you get your motherboard? At launch? Did you flash you're BIOS at all when you first got the board? I have the crosshair x370 as well. Also with Corsair ram. The motherboard shipped with BIOS number 702. This was known to brick the motherboard because it would over volt the SOC to 1.55v+. You have to flash to BIOS 902 it higher to boot be at risk.

How's long did you have the PC before this problem showed itself?

Are HGST drives worth the cash? Or are they like noctua, more expensive and do very well, but cheaper alternatives would also do just as well? I ask because I'm looking to buy 2 high capacity drives

2x8TB HGST drives are almost $760

2x10TB Seagate helium enterprise drives are $820

All reviews of the Seagate drives say they're great. Thoughts?

>>60120890
> it is most likely the RAM because Corsair Dominator DDR4 is not part of the Qualified Vendor List (QVL). He said they could work for a while, but will most likely die/no longer work randomly like they did today.
Shit really? First I've heard of this

>>60121077
Probably the mobo or psu. RAM failing can be easily checked with another kit. Borrow a friend's to test or buy a replacement and return the faulty kit. A fucked up mobo or psu can be RMA'd after your store warranty is over but asus has shitty RMA policies and Evga is god tier on their RMA process on account of how many items they've had to deal with.

>>60121349
HGST drives are server drives meant to last those million hours they advertise. They got wise to people liking their reputation and raised prices on their models but they do have a low chance of failure compared to other companies. Still, seagate and WD are good now. Seagate had an issue with their 3TB drives in 2013 but that has since been fixed but /g/ likes to fear monger and support brand loyalty by shitting on Seagate, while WD is super common since their Caviar Blue 1TB drive is a best seller for many areas. If you want the most out of your HDD, HGST is great, but WD and Seagate aren't too far off for reliabilty and Toshiba is ok.

>>60121286
>I'll just RMA the mobo then
are you 100% sure psu is fine?

Did you test it?

>>60120890
If they don't work then it's Asus's fault for having shit support

>>60121366
Just filed for an RMA, it has been only a week, so I really doubt they'll fuck me over on it. Decided to keep the RAM, worst case scenario is I go and replace them down the line, but like you guys explained, it seems super unlikely they both died. Just hoping the new motherboard lasts longer, fucking tired of having to open my rig so much. Was finally done upgrading until this crap happened.

>>60121288
Had it for a week and it worked fine until today. I know all about the problems they had at launch and such. And yes, I did everything to try and fix it. From flashback bios, CMOS, etc. If it existed, I tried it. Decided to admit defeat and RMA. Gonna be a pain to take this thing out. I finally got around to do some cable managing too.

>>60121352
Same here. When the support told me this, I was so fucking confused and scared. I didn't even know that was a thing. Hoping he is full of shit though, guess I will see when the new mobo comes.

>>60121454
I'd bet my only kidney on it that it still works. Mobo HAS to be the culprit. Maybe it got shocked, burned, or something random, who knows. My PSU can give it power since the LED's light, but for whatever reason, the bottom half of the thing is like dead and non responsive.

>>60121420
>Toshiba is ok

Yea I have 2x4TB Toshiba drives right now that are getting full. The X300 line. The $110 per drive I paid was a steal. Idk. Maybe ill just stick with Toshiba that I've been having so much luck with. Their 6TB X300 drives are only $175 a piece. 10TB disks would be nice though...

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FRjW8K
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FRjW8K/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($324.25 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Patriot Viper Elite 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($97.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Blue) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.96 @ Amazon)
Total: $629.18
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-28 22:58 EDT-0400

Thoughts? New here.

>>60121516
>had it for a week

You sat flashback/cmos reset etc. You realize none of that would do anything to help you if you were still running the 0702 BIOS it shipped with. The BIOS itself was flawed and would result in a bricked board over time. 1 week sounds about right. You should RMA the board yes, but know what your mistake was. If you didn't flash a BIOS 0902 or higher, the BIOS bricked the board.

Alright I already posted here about getting a r5 1600 and ssd with my 1050

I am using a 4:3 monitor and most new games don't support it so I believe it's time I retire my Acer monitor from 2007.

What's a decent monitor that's 1080p, 60 hz, and between $70 and $140?

>>60121610
Yep. Pretty sure this is the answer.

>>60121588
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313807&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=IGNEFL042817C&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL042817C-_-EMC-042817-Latest-_-DesktopMemory-_-20313807-S1A5C&ignorebbr=1
Maybe get this RAM unless that other is on the QVL and this isn't.
Rest looks fine.

>>60121748
Just go ahead and get a 75hz 1080p freesync for $115ish. Even though 1050Ti can't use it, you can upgrade later. There's a few of them.

https://gpunerd.com/guides/freesync-monitor-list
Just go off the user reviews.

>>60121516
>I'd bet my only kidney on it that it still works
i wouldn't if i were you. I revived pc with exact same symptoms with a psu swap
Im not saying its not motherboard it probably is but psu could be at fault to.

>>60122106
It could be and I'll need to wait for the replacement to come and see. But based on the Ryzen mobos having well documented problems and the fact that it powers up the mobo, I would be shocked if it were the case. Hoping it is the mobo though, I just want to finally be done with this building process. I was right up until today too.

>tfw waiting for AM4 mounting bracket

I have a shitty FX stock cooler to fall back on at least, but still. ;_;

I want to make the 120 FPS meme machine a reality for once in my life but I don't have a real baseline of where to start.

AMD or Intel?

1080 or 1080ti?

Monitors I know effectively nothing about but my asus VH238 has never let me down with my current rig.

Trying to upgrade from an i5 2500 build from 2012.

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>>60122280
I thankfully got a Ryzen board that also had am3+ mounting holes. Was able to just slap my cooler on there and be done with it. Been encoding with my 1700X for the last week.

>tfw checking hwmonitor logs and seeing 16 threads locked to 100%

Cooler keeps my 3.5ghz 1700X under 60C even while encoding for literally days on end. If this recent bout of encoding wasn't a stress test to push for any sort of instability, I don't know what is.

>>60122463
1080 is good for like 90-144+fps depending on the game.

A Ryzen 6 core is generally the way to go but sometimes there's problems with Nvidia GPU on it in DX12/Vulkan/Gameworks. If you can wait for Vega, that'd probably be better.

>>60122594
Not the anon you're responding to, but the whole Ryzen/Nvidia "problem" pertains only to DX12 and vulkan stuff right? I ask because I've yet to see a single issue using my 1700X/980ti setup in DX11 titles. I mean my card is ass for DX12 anyway.

>>60122615
You shouldn't even be using an Nvidia GPU for DX12 or Vulkan, at least not until Volta.

Ryzen ITX when?

>>60122615
You shouldn't be using DX12/Vulkan on an Nvidia GPU because it almost always performs worse.
But some games are DX12 only. Some upcoming games are Vulkan only.
But the Gameworks problem still persists no matter the graphics API. Gameworks is an API for the game application itself so it runs on the CPU and isn't properly optimized for Ryzen on that end.
The problems with individual games and Ryzen is really quite low. Most of the problems that popped up on day1 benchmarks were pretty much all Nvidia driver problems except for Total War and Ashes, which were both patched, and Watch Dogs 2.

So idk. It depends on the games you play. I haven't seen any Ryzen+Nvidia issues that weren't DX12/Vulkan/Gameworks but they could exist and I've just not seen.

>>60122756
>Ryzen ITX when?
Went on sale today. Sold out in under 30 minutes.
And it's Biostar. Others might not be here until June... but I imagine they're just giving conservative dates and they'll come May.

>>60122781
fug :DDD

Which site?
I see nothing on Amazon and only 1 on newegg.
I heard Biostar was going to release an X370 and B350.

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I downloaded more RAM today. The sticks in slot 2 and 1 are 4 GB and 2 GB from an old computer that was pawned off on me the other day. Dropped the speed by 300 MHz but brought the capacity from 16 to 22.

Any thoughts about this? Is this a blunder I should undo?

>>60120050
1600 or 1600x? I want to OC to 4GHz

>>60123182
1600.
Both will nearly certainly get to 4GHz, the 1600X just might get to 4.1

>>60122770
>You shouldn't be using DX12/Vulkan on an Nvidia GPU because it almost always performs worse.
Except in games where DX12 is only a wrapper slapped on by lazy devs, this statement is true.

>>60122781
what the shit that's too fucking fast
I want my cute little Ryzen build
guess I'm going to wait for the APUs

I just bought a G4560, assrock B250M microATX mobo, and 16GB DDR4, to replace a Q8400 from 2009.

I'm keeping all my other parts including my shitty GPU (R7 260X). Probably have to upgrade that later this year.

can someone link me to a build that is already finished and includes RX580 and R5 something. That's about all i know what I want after 3 days of reading shit.

so i just downloaded cpu-z and noticed my cpu core voltage is unstable

it keeps changing.. from 1.0xx V to 1.2xx V

this is under load btw, should i be worried?

>>60123411
what
it changes because of different power saving states
look at the frequencies the CPU is outputting and compare
this is normal

>>60123466
ohhh

well thanks, im an idiot

Gonna get most of this soon might change rx580 with Vega if it turns out to be great. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fdYDNN
imo this is as good as a ryzen budget build gets without losing any performance or buying chink shit. Will probably get a 75hz instead of 144hz monitor if i don't get Vega tho.

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What do you guys think of the ryzen "enthusiast" build currently being featured? Thinking of ordering it. $2507 with peripherals and OS. It looks really solid both aesthetically and spec wise.

>>60123824
Are you going to do heavy multitasking to justify R7? Also you'll be droping alot of cash down the drain for led aesthetics.

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>1600x still not in stock

I'm on the verge to overpay for 1700x. Got everything but CPU.

>>60123920
buy 1600 and overclock it. It'll perform the same

>>60123929
yeah, at 1.45v., no thanks

>>60123948
1.3V* for 3.8-3.9 with stock cooler

>>60124000
power draw is still higher, and I already got a cooler

>>60123900
Streaming gaming editing and programming.

>>60124010
Well anons have done the math and going 1600x non oc'd will safe you around 10$ per year if you're planing to run the pc 12 hours daily

>>60124029
I run it 16-18, so it's worth it for me.

>>60124028
Hmm R5 1600 will cover gaming while streaming/recording. If you plan to also run editing/programing processes in the background while doing all that i guess R7 is the way to go. It generally benefits multi-threaded processes.

What build would I need to max GTAV out 1080p with 144fps?

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>>60124063
If you want to actually run it at max settings 144fps, GTX 1070 is the way to go

>>60124074
Nice, thought I might need a 1080ti or something.

What about CPU? Would a 1600X be a good choice or should I perhaps target serial performance with a 7700K?

>>60124091
Intel generally gives higher fps if you're gonna be purely gaming. 7600k will probably not going to bottleneck your gpu. r5 1600 is the way to go if you wanna multitask while gaming at the cost of some fps due to the less single core performance.

>>60124061
Gonna play wow though and that takes a lot of processing power.

>>60124136
Hmm if you want to keep 144hz while 25man raiding you'll probably have to go i7-7700k overclocked with a watercooler. In pvp however it won't be required. Also generally in wow anything above 60fps is overkill, this ain't competitive overwatch or csgo.

>>60124136
You're really going to notice the difference with an R5, especially in crowded areas or raids. After upgrading my ivy i5 to a 1600 the stuttering and shitty frame rate in Dalaran is gone and fights like Aluriel no longer end up like a PowerPoint presentation.

>>60124091
7700k is better yes
My R7 [email protected] hits around 120 ~ 125fps most of the time in city, sometimes even dips at 112fps

>>60123920
Do it dawg. I have the 1700X. Came out to $530 for me to get the 1700X and Asus x370 crosshair. Would have been the same price had I gotten the non X 1700 and same exact board because microcenter bundles are fucking weird. My 1700X is doing its stock clock of 3.5ghz on all 16 threads. With hwmonitor watching voltages through 3 straight days of video encoding, it only uses 1.15v to keep itself at 3.5ghz. Occasional spike to 1.22v here or there. Under the cooler In >>60122567 it tops out at just shy of 60C. This is in a no airflow fractal R5 case as well.

Kind tempted to see just how far I can undervolt the CPU and keep 3.5ghz stable.

>>60120050
>>Nvidia GPU + Ryzen has issues in many games atm
I was thinking of a ryzen 1700+ gtx1060. What exactly are the "issues"?

>>60124315
Honest question, is there any difference between 60fps and "120-125fps"? Are my eyes that bad that I can't notice any difference?

>>60124366
in a few games nvidia gpu will not be used at 100% if you have a 6 cores or higher
it's not exclusive to ryzen though

>>60124375
Well, on a 120/144hz screen, there certainly is a difference
Otherwise, very slight difference in input lag, but it's not noticeable unless you're very strong at esports games

Should I research different brands of gtx10xx or just go with the cheapest one?
Should I choose the 3gb or 6gb version of gtx1070? Which program actually uses above 3gb?
t. newfag

>>60124375
how do you check? you have to actually play the game to know the difference, it's not about eyes but more about controls

>>60124335
Have you tried overclocking close to 4.0ghz? I'm curious about it's voltage on that.
>>60124366
Would recommend rx580 8gb over 1060 on ryzen builds, The issues with nvidia is when using dx12/vuilkan in games and with gameworks titles.
>>60124375
Generally if you aren't into esports if you look at 2 monitors 1 at 144 fps 1 at 60 fps it is very likely you won't notice the difference. If you want my advice just stay with 60fps if you're casually gaming until 144hz monitors and the hardware to hit those numbers becomes more affordable

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I'm currently looking at monitors while putting together my PCpart list and I'm going for a 144hz (or 120 if I can find a cheaper one) and I'm wondering how legit the Freesync and Gsync shenanigans are.

Are they just meme shit? I could grab the cheaper freesync ones and bank on the next AMD line to fight with a 1080 in a few months.

Honestly any suggestions for monitors would be a massive help because I'm half treading water.

>>60124425
Waitforvega.meme and decide later after we get some legit benchmarks. Generally look into 1440p monitors if Vega is what most expect it to be it will handle 144fps on that res so you'll pretty much save alot of money going for a freesync vega setup. Generally g-sync/free-sync aren't worth more than a 20-40$ extra cost.

>>60124451
>freesync
>extra cost

Would a Deepcool Gammaxx 400 be enough for the R5 1600 and maybe for a light OC?

>>60124396
gtx 1070 is a 8gb card.
You're probably looking into 1060 cards.
Most newer titles use more than 3gb when in ultra/high settings.
Would recommend rx 580 4gb over 1060 3gb.

>>60124469
yes, but how much oc exactly?

>>60124469
R5 1600 Box comes with a Wraith Spire as a stock cooler and can handle OC up to 3.7-3.8 ghz.

>>60124481
Not sure, since it's all about the silicon lottery.
I have seen people go with the stock cpu cooler up to 3.8GHz
>>60124485
Yeah I know but I heard that it's not that efficient in the long run and would benefit more with a aftermarket cooler. Just saw that the Gammaxx 400 is 10€ here at my localhardware store.

>>60124451
Freesync is an open standard and even standard cheap 75Hz monitors support it. Gsync relies on a proprietary hw module and makes monitors cost like 100 more than the Freesync counterparts, and it looks like the technology might be deprecated soon and Nvidia might end up supporting Freesync as well.

>>60124499
The Spire performs like a 20€ cooler more or less, don't replace it with something cheaper

>>60124499
Wierd, first time hearing that. Well if you plan to get an aftermarket cooler you could drop 20$ extra for 1600X which doesn't come with a cooler and get better clocks with that 10$ cooler.
>>60124511
Goddamnit i hate europe then. For whatever reason anything from amd or amd-related is slightly more expensive fuck

Ryzen 5 1600x or ryzen 7 1700?

>>60124477
ah yes 1070.
AMD cards seem to have some beef with space engine and blender so I'm not sure about them.

>>60124522
>The Spire performs like a 20€ cooler more or less, don't replace it with something cheaper
>>60124525
>Wierd, first time hearing that. Well if you plan to get an aftermarket cooler you could drop 20$ extra for 1600X which doesn't come with a cooler and get better clocks with that 10$ cooler

I see, so it would be unwise to spend more money on aftermarket coolers.
I am more worried about summer times since it can get quite hot in the air so don't want my PC to be melting.

>>60124532
What do you use your computer for?

>>60124532
what do you want to do?

>>60124538
>>60124545
Gaming, i wanna smooth performance on newest games

>>60124535
Hmm i think those require higher clocks which nvidia cards generally have. For those your best option is a 1080 however i believe considering the higher memory bus otherwise just get the highest clocked 1070 disregarding anything else like max res or memory.

>>60124552
if you have the extra $$ go for 1700 or else 1600x

>>60124552
get r5 1600 and overclock with stock cooler and get better gpu with tthe money you save

Got a 6600k used for $170. Good deal? Is an asus Z170 board with a broken PCIE tab worth $65?

>>60124566
Ive heard 1600x is better for gaming, is that true?

>>60124552
R7 1700 is more suited for extreme multi tasking, IE having an enormous amount of programs running your games & also for content creators, 1600x is more suited for gaming and will perform better at them because of higher clocks & each core has more cache available to him, but the difference is 2% at best

>>60124579
Depends on how it got it's PCI-E broken which might mean further issues in the long run.
>>60124580
An overclocked 1600 performs the same as a 1600X. If you spend extra $$ for decent aftermarket cooler r5 1600x could overclock slightly higher than stock 1600 but generally it isn't good value for money.

>>60124537
It's not that it's unwise, you can spend 30€ or higher and get better cooling. The point is that the stock cooler is really good unlike the usual garbage that intel bundles with their CPUs

If I'm not mistaken, third parties threatened AMD to drop support if they released the wraith max cooler in retail as it's even better than the Spire. At one point that was the one going to be bundled with the 1600X, 1700X and 1800X with a TDP rating of 125W (Spire is 95W) so go figure. They would have just rendered a huge part of the 30-40€ market for air coolers completely redundant so for the moment it's only available for OEM.

So I am gonna get a R5 1600 and Gigabyte B350 GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 mobo along with 16gb ddr4 2666mhz memory along with a EVGA GQ 650W psu plus samsung m.2 960 evo 250gb.

I have already a free case that I got from a friend, a BitFenix Prodigy M.
For GPU I don't know what to pick up. I don't game much, other than casual stuff like CSGO,OW and maybe dota2. What would be wise to get?

Which motherboard should I choose for the ryzen 1700?

>>60124607
You're gonna have to overclock your mobo to get that 2666mhz from your ram so why not pay the extra 10-20$ for 3200mhz? Also would recommend getting sapphire rx 580 nitro + 8gb or waiting for vega.

>>60124625
>You're gonna have to overclock your mobo to get that 2666mhz from your ram so why not pay the extra 10-20$ for 3200mhz?
The price difference between 2666 and 3200 here in europe is a lot, wish it was just 10-20$

>>60124616
If you're not planing to SLI get any ATX b350 or mATX b350 if on tight budget. They all seem to work fine so choose on preference of features.

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>Can't build a computer without fucking it up and have to take it to the repair shop
>Can't post in the right thread either

J U S T

>>60124674
How can you fuck it up, most of us here built our first computer in our early teens without issues just read your mobos papers and some guides on the internet. Did you apply Thermal Paste on your cpu's pins so it sticks well to the motherboard?

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>>60124580

When comparing ryzen 5 (the 6 core ones) to 7 remember that they are effectively identical silicon just with differing amounts of active cores. So at identical clocks a R7 will - at absolute worst - perform identically to a R5. More often than not R7 will pull head. Whether the performance difference is worth the extra cost? That is a decision you have to make.

I personally thought it was and went for a 1700.

>>60124713
So for decent gaming ryzen 7 1700 and rx 470 good enough? For at least 2 years?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WqFDNN

I'm working on getting 120 / 144 FPS, but I'm waiting for AMD to drop their new cards. Will this suffice until I can get a new graphics card or do I need a better CPU as well?

Also this is the correct unlisted power supply, not too sure why it isn't in the picker.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438094&ignorebbr=1

CPU, RAM, and mobo combo for less on newegg. ( Instant: -$19.00 Combo: -$24.98 )

PSU and Case combo on newegg for less. ( Instant: -$11.00 Combo: -$7.99 )

SSD and HDD have that Spring15 15% off deal at Jets. (30 dollars off)

I think I did a good job on deals. Main issue is that 120 FPS problem.

>>60124713
The problem is that as of right now games don't utilize the extra cores and the extra threads that's why the i5 7600k scores better in somes games and i7 7700k scores better in most games than any ryzen at the moment. As of right now the r5 six core ones is the best option for gaming while having things in the background because it won't affect your gaming performance and also when games start utilizing more cores and more threads they will start performing better than the quad core intel processors.
>>60124724
Drop down to ryzen 5 1600 and up to rx 580 8gb for ultra/high 1440p 60 fps gaming.

>>60124724
>at least 2 years
3 at the very least, the R7 1700 is a powerful cpu and it has 8 cores, there is no doubt it will run anything you throw at it extremely well for the next 3 years. In fact the 8 cores 16t make it kind of a beast, an R5 1600 would be more suited for gaming purposes. Getting it + upgrading gpu would be much wiser.

>>60124737
7700k is much more suited for 144fps, but the r5 1600 can still achieve 120fps pretty easily, you shouldn't worry about that. You might want to get an aftermarket cooler to run it at 3.8 ~ 3.9GHz to get the highest framerate possible, but that's up to you.

>>60124737
Western Digital caviar blue has rather cheap quality consider the black one.
If you're on a tight budged consider mATX build same shit performance wise.

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>>60124724

>For at least 2 years?

Well that is complicated as it depends on 1) how much dosh you are willing to throw at your system after those 2 years are up. What resolution you are playing at, what sort of framerates you want and (even more vaguely) what sort of settings you want to play at.

The 470 doesn't do 60fps ultra at 1080p right now and it won't do so in 2 years. If you plan a complete rebuild in 2 years the 1600 and a beefier gpu might be a smart move or if you plan to keep your cpu until it becomes a museum piece 1700 and upgrading your gpu every few years becomes the more economical option.

>>60124757

>The problem is that as of right now games don't utilize the extra cores and the extra threads that's why the i5 7600k scores better in somes games and i7 7700k scores better in most games than any ryzen at the moment.

You need to stop talking about things you don't understand. There is considerably more involved in the various performance differences between ryzen and kabylake than mere "moar coars dun count!". It is why people who actually pay attention to things are waiting to see what Agner finds.

>>60124766
I have a choice between r5 1600x and r7 1700, which one i should go for? Purely for gaming

>>60124783
R5 1600x is plenty enough for that, i do content creations and gaming (sometimes at the same time) and even then i have a hard time getting bottlenecked by my R7 1700

>>60124705
>Did you apply Thermal Paste on your cpu's pins so it sticks well to the motherboard?

Never even thought about that kek

But no, it simply didn't work. I didn't break anything, but the computer also didn't work. No power to fans, no lights on the mobo, no sounds coming from anywhere. Basically like it wasn't even plugged in.

I triple checked every connection and plug, took the mobo out to make sure there were no extra screws, tried shorting the mobo with a screwdriver to make it start, tested the PSU separately, tried turning it on with only minimal components plugged in, but still nothing. Not even the case fans worked.

So my only option is to pay some dudes 100€ to check it and put it into a state where it works.

>>60124780
Until then unless you have a better expanation as to why a quad core processor with higher single core performance outperforms processors that have double the cores in games i don't see how can you discard this opinion.

>>60120050
What's the game on the upper left?

>>60124832
That only matters if you're aiming for highest possible framerate. Power consumption, heat, frametimes, and the other things you do with your computers (because no one runs only games on his computer) also matters

for dual booting windows / linux, would you rather get two ssds for either one or one for both?

>>60124855
That is why i use the term performance. For most people better gaming performance = higher framerates. I agree that generally especially considering the future the 6/8 core ryzens are the better options because they wont stutter like i5/i7's and they're only going to get better with time as more and more games start utilizing their extra cores and threads.
>because no one runs only games on his computer
I also mentioned that
>the r5 six core ones is the best option for gaming while having things in the background because it won't affect your gaming performance
the benchmarks are done on processors running the games solely which is why the intel processors show higher fps. Still the only logical explanation we have so far is that this happens because games just don't utilize the ryzen processor's extra cores and threads obviously however in realistic situations when you have several programs like anti-viruses, skype, browsers, drivers etc the gap between the highly overclocked i5 and i7 and Ryzen 1600 and up grows smaller.

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>>60124766
>>60124776
So a Ryzen 1600 isn't enough for 120?

Are any of the ryzens capable enough to pull it off?

I don't really want to lock into a 4 core intel just for a few more frames if games start better utilizing more cores / threads and what not.

>>60125015
Yes, a Ryzen 1600 is enough for 120, but not for 144.

>>60125015
get the 1600x + good cooler

>>60125015
Get the HD600

>i3 530
>radeon hd 5750

u jelly of my build?

:DDDD

>>60125015
Get 1600 and spend the money you'd save from not having to buy a cooler and the price diff with 1600X to get better gpu, overclocked 1600 on stock cooler can reach up to 3.8ghz at relatively safe temps/voltage overclocked 1600X on good cooler will only get you 4.0ghz maybe 4.1ghz for 50-70$ extra cost.

when is nvidia going to fix their shitty dx12 drivers for fuck's sake

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>>60124737
>One guy specifically saying that tomahawk mobo can't get the full speed from that RAM in newegg customer reviews

Back to the drawing board.

Is it worth cleaning off the thermal paste that comes with the 1600 and putting some MX-2 on there instead given that I've got enough of the stuff to drown myself just sitting around?

Just slightly concerned it may be used as an excuse to fuck me over if I have to RMA anything.

>>60125262
it's not really needed but heh you can do it no worries

>>60125262
nah it's not worth it; literally won't make a difference

>>60120050
I have a 6 year old Dell XPS 15 laptop and I primarily use Chrome and occasionally VLC and WMP. Do I need a change?

>>60125293
do you feel like you need a change?

>>60124832

That is because you haven o understanding on the nuances of cpu front ends. While I make no claim to be an authority on the subject looking at the block diagram of zen shows it is much, much wider than anything Intel has. Being able to handle 4 complex ops at once (rather than 1 complex and 3 simple does) leads to some impressive IPC in any software that leverages it. Having double the L1 cache (512 vs 256) is nothing to ignore either. The sad reality is games are essentially coded for the nuances of Intel's architecture first (and to be fair rightfully so with their 90% market share).

When you move away from gaming and look at software that tends to focus on nothing but absolute throughput (i.e software that will eat as much hardware as you can throw at it) you see ryzen surging ahead. Muh coars simply does not come into the equation - the only reason an i7 pulls ahead of an i5 at identical clocks in puirely single threaded workloads is precisely because it has extra L3 cache which means (shockingly) it can store more instructions before it needs to look off chip. From an engineering and technical standpoint ryzen is extremely powerful in many, many areas and one of the few areas where Intel holds a decisive and uncontested lead IPC wise is in AVX2 realted workloads.

tl;dr your view is "ferraris are fast because they are red" and not "ferraris are fast because they have a 300bhp turbo engine compared to a 120bhp found in a ford mondeo".

>>60125267
>>60125274
OCD enough to sit there thinking "Man, my CPU could be a whole 0.5c cooler if I'd just took the time to break out the paste..." Going to apply my placebo.

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>>60124737
>144 FPS
If you want to play at 144hz you need more than 144fps because not every frame is rendered at the same time your monitor renders a picture. When will people stop the whole fps=monitor refresh rate meme.

>>60125309
I don't think I need one. My PC runs really smoothly for the applications I use, but seeing my friends upgrade their PCs regularly, I kinda think I'm out of the loop. My laptop's config is:

>i7 2760QM @2.4GHz
>8GB RAM
>1080p screen
>Nvidia GT540M (which is mostly useless because I don't use it much)
>Windows 7

>>60125314
>uncapitalised 'C'

>>60125340
°C. Sorry Anon. I'll try not to fuck up that badly again.

i want to get a 144hz monitor and play fps comp games at 200fps+ and aaa games at 60fps.

is the difference going to kill my eyes? i heard that people who got a 144hz monitor can't stomach 60fps anymore. i don't want to be forced to get a 1080 or turn my graphics to low.

>>60125330
you already answered your question then. no point in throwing out your money if it still does all you need

>>60125320
I want 120hz.

Unfortunately they don't seem to exist so I'm stuck with the 144hz at 120 FPS.

>>60125394
It's definitely noticeable and slightly jarring but it's not nearly as bad as all that. I feel a far bigger difference between 30fps console shit and 60fps than I do between a solid 60fps and 144fps.

How often should I be changing thermal paste? Always lived by it it ain't broke don't fix it but I see people around here saying they do it regularly. The machine I'm about to retire's been on the same stuff for almost five years.

>>60125467
>How often should I be changing thermal paste
never

>>60125467
it it doesn't run hot, don't touch it
you should do a full gpu cleaning once a year or once every two years though

>>60125394
It is very noticeable if you jump from 144fps down to 60fps in CS:GO for instance. Everything will feel wrong.
But for RTS/4x or regular action games no, it isn't that bad. 144 fps always feels nicer, but you can deal with 60. And most of the time the games you play will be around 80-90fps

t.
4690k & GTX 970 owner

>>60125515
I tend to drag my systems out at least every summer and totally clear out any accumulated dust, just never bothered changing paste and reseating stuff. Will continue to leave shit alone unless temps start to drift.

>>60125431
At 120fps it won't matter if you have 120hz or 144hz because frame output and screen refresh is not synced. Unless of course you use gsync/freesync.

>>60125431
>>60125585
I think most 144Hz monitors can be locked at 120Hz though. At least mine does.

The real meme is buying a 1080p monitor in 2017 unless you're going for a budget build.

>>60125665
I have a 1366 * 768 monitor. It just works.

How to I select a case? First time building a PC.
ryzen stock cooler, gtx1070

>>60125700

Ther answer is always the define R5.

>>60125700
Look for any that looks nice, avoid bottom of the barrel stuff, read a review to see if it has any kind of glaring flaw and what similar alternatives you have in the market.

>>60125700
Choose your priority:
silent
temperatures
formfactor (ATX, mini ATX, micro ATX)
roomy (easy to build)
small (harder to build, parts more expensive, limited in hardware choice)
aestethic ( windowed will be noisier, or no window)
number of harddrives
clearance for gpu and cpu cooler

Trying to pick a mobo for a Ryzen build. Either going to go with Asrock AB350 Pro4 or MSI B350 Tomahawk. Is there any reason why I should pick one over the other?

Asrock is cheaper and has 2 more STA ports. No clue about BIOS or Linux support though. Can /pcbg/ help me?

>>60125744
Asrock is one of the most recommended. Tomahawk is not bad but still has a bug that makes it take very long to post (10 to 20 seconds)

>>60125770
Any clue about Linux support? According to Phoronix Tomahawk has good compatibility

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=msi-b350-tomahawk&num=1

Trying to get the best build I can for under 850 USD. I have this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Mezope/saved/mykHxr
But don't know what I could improve on for value. I mainly look to play competitive TF2 at 200+ frames (which is why I cheaped out on the GPU and went with a better ish i5) and other games at medium-high settings at 60 frames.
Any tips?

>>60125665
Nah, it's buying an overpriced 4K monitor that you can't even utilize properly

>>60125813
Get G4560 and then you can invest in better gpu, ssd, mobo(maybe), get a 2x4gb for faster memory unless you plan to upgrade to 16gb, replace psu to the 620 bronze seasonic one, better brand monitor. Then later you can upgrade it because of the socket to any better i5/i7 when you have the extra money. You might think that because it is a 2-core processor it isn't as good but if you're going to purely game they're going to perform pretty well on it. Otherwise just save more for a 1060 3gb(considering TF2 doesn't require more) considering that a 1050ti will possibly bottleneck your cpu.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pTv9QV

what did I do wrong?

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>>60125700
You have to look for cases that allow for good cable management, see how much fan they come with and if they have an integrated case controller, how are the temperatures inside of it (every case review looks at temperatures) and how well does it dampen noise, how much modular is it, the size (important for gpu & cpu cooler), formfactor (atx, full atx, mATx, etc)
Personally rocking a fractal design define r5 because of all the room it has, how modular is it, how easy the cable management is on it and all the places i can put fans on (5x140mm right now!)

>>60125813
>>60125815
Also what the fuck are you talking about
>I mainly look to play competitive TF2 at 200+ frames
>Sceptre E225W-1920 22.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor
>60Hz

>>60125910
nothing, looks good

>>60125905
TF2 is 75% CPU and 25% GPU, the only reason I'm even buying one is to play other single player games casually.

>>60125744
I got the Asrock. Solid board, no idea about Linux support but bios is well designed and easy to navigate.

>>60125910
Some say the Tomahawk mobo can't run ram at 3200mhz
You could save some cash going with seasonic 620W bronze PSU, you won't make the price difference with the power saving in less than 5-6 years. You spend too much on the ram, i guarantee you that whatever you are going to do with the pc you will never notice the difference between 14 and 16 cas just get g.skill trident Z which are confirmed to be running well for 120-130$

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>>60120050
One last huzzah before I pull the trigger, boys.

Should I go for 144hz 1080p or 1440p 60hz freesync monitor?

>>60125910
You're spending way too much for the ram. 3200mhz only matters if you have a gtx 1080 or better.
Get a 2666mhz kit instead and save $100.
You can save money on the psu as well, check jonnyguru.

>>60125947
Consider watercooling to overclock that i7.

>>60125946
I've read up a lot about it and it seems you can run 3200mhz with certain kits https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

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>>60125956

>3200mhz only matters if you have a gtx 1080 or better.

>>60121588
>Total: $629.18

I fucking hate my currency. So jealosu you can buy all this for so little

>>60125813
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F4FDNN
here's my take:
- you're crippling yourself by not having a 144hz monitor in comp tf2
- tf2 loves single threaded performance because it's optimized like shit. there won't be a big difference between g4560 and an i5.
- much better gpu for other games
- better ssd
- cheaper psu
i'd use the rest for a bigger (500gb) ssd.

>>60125953
I'd go for 1440p 60hz considering it's the most noticable upgrade in the gaming experience. Consider 144hz only if you play competitively in games that the extra fps would matter.

>>60125947
>only 250gb ssd
>not even m.2 format

>>60125990
Wow, that's actually a pleasant surprise. Thank you for explaining the single-threaded thing. I'll be looking more into the monitor considering it's been reviewed as faulty before.

Bought corsair psu
It's coil whining even while browsing
When my wifes son is playing video games I can hear it downstairs
Fucking have to RMA this trash

>>60126054
>he fall for the corsair meme
all their recent psu's are literal chink shit you wasted your money gl with rma
Should have asked /g/ first this is well known already mate.

>>60126006
>Muh m.2 meme
kysdesusenpai

Going with 250gb is pretty questionable these days, though, I'll give you that.

>>60126078
Corsair PSU and cases are great, just need to check reviews first. There were a couple of cheaper models with coil whine. Everything else corsair is shit though.

Which 1080 ti is the best out now?

>>60126103
Well generally Corsair used to be pretty good but their recent PSU line-ups are pretty shit. RAM is decent tho.

>>60126103
they gave us cheaper high clock memory that works
corsair can be thanked at least for that

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Are those result okay for my newly built pc?

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>>60120050
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nscp4C

tell me where I got memed, anons

tell me where I fucked up

>>60126288
>R5 1500x + cooler instead of 1600 without cooler
You'd get more performance with R5 1600, and the cooler is a good one too so you're not loosing much by not getting the 212 evo

/pcbg/ quickly, what are the best 27-32" 1440p monitiors with freesync, low input lag (under 20ms worst case scenario), 144hz and decent picture quality (Basically non-tn panel). Also i guess it needs to have a high brigthness level to use the reduce motion blur thingie at 120hz.

It can be even bigger than 30" since I wont be using it up close and maybe 4k, but I doubt that there are 144hz 4k panels out there with everything I ask for.

does anyone know the site that lets you choose monitor parameters and shows you the right ones? it wasn't a store

>>60126306
fixed

Now what

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Are these good ram timings?

I overlcocked my Kingston/Gskill 1600mhz DDR3 ram to 2133Hz

I have 500 dollars.
I want to get a new pc but i might as well use this chnce to learn how to build one

I just want to install linux on it and practice stuff for expierence.

What are some recommended options as far as mobo and everything?

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Guys!!!! what is 'sagging'? i read amazon reviews for the 1080 i'm looking at (msi armor gtx 1080), and two or three dudes say that it sags. Not sure what that means guys.

>>60126288
why not rx 580?

>>60126318
A 580 instead of a GTX 1060 would also be cheaper and perform the same / better, though it also heat more and uses more power
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XzrcCJ/powercolor-radeon-rx-580-8gb-red-dragon-video-card-axrx-580-8gbd5-3dhdoc
not to say the rare problems nvidia has with 6 cores cpus and more could be annoying if you're unlucky enough to be affected
but either way is good.

>>60126288
>1500X
>Memer 212 Evo
1500X comes with a stock cooler that's on par with the Memer 212 Evo with the benefit of being a downblower to cool VRMs a bit etc. Dump the cooler and consider going with a 1600 and clocking it a bit.

>2133mhz RAM for Ryzen
No me gusta.

>Tomahawk
Did they fix the whole 'taking a fucking century to POST' thing? Honestly have no idea.

>256gb SSD
Nice drive for the price but you might well wish you went a bit bigger.

>>60125947
>intel

>beastforum.com

>christian dating

like pottery

>>60126346
what's wrong with ran frequency? what should it be?

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>>60126323
when a gpu is being dragged down because of it's weight, it's the most noticeable at the very right end of it
But it's not an issue you have to worry about unless you have a very heavy gpu

>>60126342
I was actually hoping there'd be an AMD card that paired well with the Ryzen if thats possible, you have any knowledge on this?

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>>60126373
fuck I'm an idiot

>>60125947
Buying a Zowie is like asking for a bad mouse
Just go with a reliable Logitech that has drivers and software (on top of better fucking sensors)

>>60126373
not really sure what you mean with "pairs well"
but an rx 580 / 570 or 480 / 470 are all great cards

>>60126383
k here's updated list
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dt6HD8

any other flaws?

>>60126417
no

for regular "e sport games", what would be the best gpu atm? rx 550? gtx 1050ti?

>>60126457

What is your budget? Both those will do DOTA/CSGO/LOL. But if you spend more and go for a 1060 you can also easily do Overwatch max'd out qt 1080p

>>60126488
700 euros overall for the pc, the lower the better for the gpu imo. I thought about the rx 560 or rx 460

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>>60126369

I should be able to install am4 drivers on my existing windows 7 installation and swap out the motherboard normally afterwards right? My phenom 955 deserves a rest.

>>60126457
wait for the RX560 to release in may, it's targeted at those but a lot faster than the 550 for not that much more

My PSU is 8 years old and still perfect as far as I can tell; is there any reason to replace it? It's a Corsair 550 VX.

>>60126687
If you plan to make a new power hungry build you might wanna go for 600-650 psu otherwise nah

Can someone reccomend a 144hz 27" monitor?

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would putting a gtx 1080 ti in this build be stupid? should i upgrade anything else instead?

>>60126774
>would putting a gtx 1080 ti in this build be stupid
no
>should i upgrade anything else instead?
Do you feel the need to upgrade anything else? That should answer it

>>60126786
i should note that when i say it's not stupid to put a 1080ti, it's assuming you get a 1440p high refresh rate monitor with it
1080p60fps is stupid even with a GTX 1070

>>60126786
the fact that i dont see my cpu being benchmarked together with these new ones and ddr3 being dead worries me abit, but then i see that it doesnt help much in gaming anyway.
the ti would be used for 4k mostly since i dont own a high refresh monitor.

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>>60126806
Here is how it performs against the best gaming cpu that is clocked a whole 200mhz higher, a whopping 12fps less
Not worth the 540$ you'd have to spend for the mobo, ddr4, cpu and cpu cooler, really. Look at 2018 for possible upgrades with moar core from intel and architecture improvements for amd, but otherwise whatever you pick will not be worth the money at all

>>60126880
wow, are cpus not targeting gaming anymore?
where is the improvements being made since im like 2 generations behind?

>>60126756
nixeus vue 27 dunno if it's available yet tho

Which one bois
https://www.mdcomputers.in/index.php?route=product/search&search=%20B350&description=true

>>60126903

>wow, are cpus not targeting gaming anymore?

CPU don't target anything - you write the software for the hardware, not vice versa.

>>60126417
you should 100% go for faster ram (3000mhz+) since ryzen benefits heavily from it. if you're on tight budget you can get cheaper psu/ssd.
also i'd pick up asrock pro4 instead since tomahawk apparently has some post bugs.

>>60126903
>where is the improvements being made since im like 2 generations behind?
Slightly higher performance per clock and slightly less power consumption
For amd, more cores that are finally on par or close with intel ones

Anyone have experience with something like

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-72GB-15K-SAS-Enterprise-Server-Hard-Drive-459889-002-DH072BAAKN-2-5-/122049451725

15000 rpm drive?

May for Vega or did you mean pray for Vega? I really need a new build, my Gpu is a 5800 Radeon so, you know, I need a new one. Cpu still works, i5 Lynnfield era. Question is, should I wait a month to see if AMD doesn't fuck up?

>>60127028
he meant may for vega, yes, but it's all rumors
it releases this quarter though so at the very worst, it's june 31
considering how well they did with ryzen and how right people were to wait, i think waiting for vega isn't out of question

>>60127028
yes just wait

>>60127028
you're retarded. if you can wait then wait. if you need a new build RIGHT NOW then just go for it.

Ryzen 5 1600x and rx 480 or ryzen 7 170p and rx 480 for gaming?

>>60127057
Thank you good sir, I really appreciate being insulted by such a superior being instead of answering the fucking question related to WHEN will Vega be released in order to wait a little more or just buy a new build

>>60127063
r5 1600 and rx 580

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>>60127093
WAIT FOR VEGA

>>60125431
You can run 144hz monitors at 120hz. In fact I usually do that because I can't tell the difference between 120 and 144, and 120 plays better with games that are locked at 60, videos that play at 24, etc.

>>60124852
Xenosaga for PS2

>>60120855
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
please take a peek at both cpu counter and cpu usage

>>60127491
>cpu counter
fps counter

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I have two questions.
•What's the best hdd brand right now in terms of failure?
•Is Phanteks Eclipse P400S a good case for an ATX board?

>>60127491
Holy mother fucking CPU bottleneck. The i5 is dead and buried guys

Opinions on the value of a ~$130 256gb 960 evo for my OS/applications and most played game?
It's fucking so much faster than a sata drive there is no way it's not noticeable and I feel like $130 is a fair price for 256gb, it's the fastest consumer grade ssd next to the pro

>>60127575
READ THE FUCKING OP
>NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk

>>60126903
Hitman is piss poor optimized, someone managed to make it run nearly 300% better by just reducing some bloated additions (shadows render higher and then get downscaled for no fucking reason??)

Can i use the same win10 if i change my motherboard? Do i need to authenticate something?

>>60127626
That's simply wrong though. There is no way a drive with such massively superior random reads doesn't make the machine feel more responsive. Question is how much more responsive? $130 is a pittance for 256, same price as a 500gb ancient sata piece of shit.

>>60127659
you can use it but it's very not recommended, doing a clean install is the way to go.

>>60127659
I did with absolutely no problems at all. The license swapped over with out issue and I haven't run into a single issue.

>>60127681
Thanks mate, hopefully there wont be any problems

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Anyone with a Ryzen CPU play Metro last light?

Can you please run the benchmarking tool with these settings and post your results. I want to see if "Ryzen has smooth frametimes" is a meme or not.

>>60127694
Just to clarify a reinstall is the superior option but it's a pain in the ass unless you have very little on your OS drive. I used this guide http://www.windowscentral.com/how-re-activate-windows-10-after-hardware-change

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>>60127704
This is with a 4670k at 4.2ghz ram 2133mhz and gtx980 at 1450mhz.

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>>60127726
What software did you use to make that graph? I've been using my frap's data in excel to throw together easy charts but they don't look as nice as that.

>>60127828
i think this graph is generated by benchmark itself.

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>>60127828
It's Metro Last Light's built in benchmarking tool.

what do you guys think of HP Omen? I need a good freesync monitor 1440p

>>60120050
Gonna build my first PC. Help is appreciated. What's the best build to get for around ~800$ ? I mostly play low end games like HOI4 or EU4 but at that price point it'll be able to do more anyways.
Ist the AMD hype a meme? Is a 1600x 580 build any good for my games? Budget is flexible btw.

>>60127870
yeah 1600 and 580 is fine. 1060 if it does better in your games. Get good ram.

>>60127873
Thanks and yeah, probably gonna get 16GB.

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Looking for a PSU and I came across
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182322
It's 50% off and seems fine but what does it mean by
"SLI & CrossFire-Ready / Intel 4th Gen CPU Certified"? do PSU need to be compatible with motherboards or something?

>>60127919
Just buzzwords. Also "SLI/CF Ready" just means it won't melt if you connect two GPUs to it.

Any recommendations for a 280mm liquid aio?
>affordable
>good build quality
>preferably less noisy but I can compromise on that if it's cheap
Red Led's might be a plus but that's just bonus.

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im uh, not sure about a few things
A lot of the games I plan to play don't really have high spec requirements.

I was going to go with i7 7700k + 1080ti, but as I said a lot of the games i'm looking to play don't need that, even close. Shit like STALKER and GSGs.

Been thinking about saving money and going for an i5 7600k + 1060 6gb.

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What's going at Amazon right now?

Huge discounts on 1070 and 1080, is something happening!? Vega news soon!?

>>60126390
>drivers and software
>for a fucking mouse
you don't know shit.

>>60128375
nvidia in full panic already i guess

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gfGCVY

How's this build?

>>60127897
I meant fast ram. Get like 3200 or so. It'll be worth.

>>60128506
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I'm willing to go up to $2500-$3000 on my budget -- as long as it includes a 1440p 144hz Gsync IPS monitor

>>60128375
1070 poor value at it's price, new 1080s out. Vega inc. etc

>>60128351
if you're really doing something like that, wait for Vega to release and get a Ryzen5 1600. even if Vega cards are not better than their nvidia equivalent, if nothing else the prices on nvidia cards will drop >>60128375
i5s are classified as obsolete.

>>60128580
>>60128580
>>60128580

NEW THREAD

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>>60128589
Someone create an actual thread please.

>>60127665
>how much more responsive?
Well if you actually look at loading time benchmarks, you'd see it's margin of error shit and you literally will not be able to tell the difference beyond placebo.

>>60127947
>Also "SLI/CF Ready" just means it won't melt if you connect two GPUs to it.

Pretty sure that isn't even true - it just means that it will come with enough PCI power connectors that SLI/CF is possible.

>>60128630
>>60128649
>>60128649
>>60128649

non-intel shill thread here

>>60128580
>>60128580
>>60128580

THIS IS THE OFFICIAL THREAD.

>>60128506
Looks good to me, but you may not be able to hit 3200 with that ram - you should at least get to 2933mhz though which is close enough really. There's still lots of discussion and research going on with how to get the best out of ram with Ryzen.

The compatibility updates that are expected in May might fix this though too.

>>60128375
fuck my ass I just bought a rx 580 for 300$

Gigabyte 1070 at 350€, yes or no? It has For Honor included.

>>60126319
Yes. Do x2.